 Hello and welcome to a brand new episode of Losers League of SE Reviewers We're so glad that be able to talk to you again. We miss you guys so much for us It's felt like I don't know years since we've lasted this isn't that right guys? Yeah 30 minutes ago so So we are gonna be talking about one of the videos that I just did this episode But before we get into any of that let's just say hey Where are you guys at you're at the League of SE Reviewers? headquarters we're here we talk about Videos that we produce or any kind of SE content and try to give each other positive critical feedback Do we know how important that is in order to get better? We think it's really important to show that we're really you know Visual and like open about getting feedback from other people and that's not just from the three of us in here But it's also you too as well so if you want to feel free to leave a comment and Hey, if you like what you see subscribe and stick around because we're always gonna be producing high-quality contact for you guys So that we can continue to get better in this hobby that we enjoy which is called SE Talking to each other about how we came to our beliefs Uh at the top of the show. Let's do some introductions Vin Diesel, how you doing? So good so good to be with you guys again Yeah, yeah, it's it's been weird. It's just like something has been missing and I didn't know what it was Now I'm back with you guys and it's great, right three best friends ready to kick some SE But and who how could we do it without the great and incredible Linda Marco Linda? How are you? I'm great. Hello everybody. I'm so nice to see you guys again Yeah, I really this is like the best time of the months always when we get together or the week Whenever this is the best time when we get when we get together What's going on Linda? No, I Love sitting and talking with you guys about street epistemology because I love street epistemology And I love you guys and I love that we can help other people love street epistemology. That's what I wanted to say Go buy a donkey. Hey speaking of go buy a donkey. Let's start to show by Showing some love to some people that like listen to us in a section that it's gonna be pretty short But we're still gonna do it anyway called. Where is the love? Where is the So this episode is actually recorded a little earlier than the monthly release So we actually don't have any comments in the last episode, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't comment In fact, I really had to encourage you guys to if you're seeing this video drop a little comment and see what we could do to improve ourselves And what we could Particularly do to make you guys more Interested in trying this out yourself We think street epistemology is a great hobby that other people can try and you don't need a camera You don't need a microphone You just need to have an out You just need to take the chance to go outside and talk to people and really just ask questions And if you want to have any questions about that feel free to leave a comment We'll be happy to introduce you to Larger social media groups that we're involved in that can help you get the information that you need to get started on your own All right, so and of course you're never really doing your own because if we do it we're part of a league So that's why we have this show anyway, though Let's just say a quick buy a donkey, which means thank you in evercans, right then yes My pronunciation is just so spot-on so I'm such a good teacher by a donkey. Thank you very much for keeping up with this show anyway by a donkey Before I don't buy a donkey. How do would you say it then we never heard it from the mouth of the Donkey nice nice nice, okay, so we're gonna go into one of my videos It's one of the shorter ones that I had here at the Arboretum, but before we get into that Actual really cool video that one-on-two conversation I want to have a goal Session and a goal session is we basically set up some goals that we want to have to serve the SC video that will see if we meet by the end of the video and they can be anything you want Linda Do you have a goal? What's your goal? Yes? I just thought about a goal actually when I was looking at the paper that I was writing on This is something that Ben diesel has conjured up It's the street epistemology questionnaire and I actually took this with me when I was in Lapland a while ago I stayed in a cabin. I met some people world travelers taking out the questionnaire and just asking the questions It's like really easy. It's about what is truth truth is that which best matches External reality and people get to think about their answer Do they strongly agree agree neutral disagree or strong strongly disagree and you just get to know somebody and how they Like view the world truth reality stuff like that. When should we change our minds? I think great questions and a fun way to kind of do SE Where you have this like kind of help? I thought it was great I did it four times and had wonderful times and people like wanted to have their Questionnaires and then they took them home and thought about it a little bit more They said they would at least so. Oh, yeah, so my goal is to get you guys to answer one of these Questions through somewhere in the show. Okay. Oh, wow. That's interesting one. Cool Now it's just going to say so remember that the the the answers you can give is strongly agree agree neutral disagree or Strongly disagree when I pose the question Ben do you have a goal I Have to go dancing Dancing listen with Rihanna straight out of this. Okay. I'm mentally practicing my Foxtrot You need to get in the zone You're gonna get you're gonna get that Foxtrot in and out right down down. Yeah, me too Okay My goal at yen as usual is to master the Kamehameha wave in order to beat sell at the tournament That's gonna show up pretty soon. I think I have a really good chance of saving the world All right, you guys ready to do this Yes, let's do it. So I got a video that as I'm introducing it as I'm introducing the video I go over to a park called The Arboretum and the Arboretum is a really really nice place to have these really really nice you know plus in conversations with people and I had met a couple that were 100% confident that you should be nice to people but of course The way how street epistemology works is you tend to get to the foundation of someone's belief very very quickly using this method And their foundation was that because of God existed, but Because my my style is I'll work with whatever people give me What I did was just try to challenge the concept of being 100% confident about anything at all and See if they had like a good reason to be Completely justified particularly if they don't know what it would take for them to change their mind or for them to recognize They're wrong or not. Anyway, I want to show that video right now if the audio is good. Let me know and Let's not wait any for it. Can you guys see my screen? Tyrone one one one question quickly just before you go for go for go for it begin I Often investigate beliefs that do not match my own Tyrone. How would you answer? I? I pretty often pretty often Pretty often I agree. I agree. Thank you Tyrone By a hundred percent. I mean, there's no way you could be wrong. There's no way we could be absolutely true Absolutely true. No way you can be wrong Okay, we're good So like anything that you find like personally motivating or like you circle your life around or like you think it's a philosophy Other people should follow those tend to be the most interesting conversations If you want to talk about like the best Marvel movie that came out recently We could talk about that too by the way, I'm Ty so nice to meet you Carla Francis Carla and Francis Carla with the C with the C This guy's got eagle vision Carla and Francis are at. I'm super careful now see France you can spell it with okay. Okay. I'm gonna have to erase some of this stuff. Look at me This is how prepared I am today Very rarely do I have extra markers ready to go anyway Like I said, I have a five minute timer. Okay And I like to talk to people about things that they really believe strongly is true something They're confident about is there anything like that for you? Yes, definitely. We believe in helping others Yeah, I communication with everyone what you were just mentioning that's the only thing that Helping Others yeah Okay, and as a fair warning regardless of whatever you guys told me I tend to like just gently challenge it anyway So there might be some double advocate please here. Please do that. Why help people. Yes, I'm just doing to similar conversation Anyway, so like five minutes helping people. Okay. All right, so What do you mean by helping people or what you said initially is very good that no matter what people look like no matter What their background? Right country right language We should all be willing to break down these barriers and talk to one another. That's kind of what attracted me to it Said yeah, how strongly do you believe that that's something that other people should do oh with all my being So would you say then that you're married? Oh, you guys are married. I was just about to say you got he's He lets you sit down. That's a keeper. I wasn't gonna throw it out there I'm wondering um Yeah, so it's just like if everyone would do that and go outside their comfort zone Just imagine how the world would be it would just be like one big family instead of all these different Barriers yeah, yeah, I'm wondering um so like from a scale from zero to a hundred percent Yeah, and I'm just going this out like how confident are you that everybody should be out Helping each other how confident. Yeah about others. We don't know we hope Hmm that they would be better. Mm-hmm, but how confident are you that they would be better if they follow this philosophy how confident 100% 100% there's yes by 100% I mean there's no way you could be wrong. There's no way we could be absolutely true Yeah, absolutely true absolutely true. No way you could be wrong There's no way we could be wrong because we go by the principle Not by the simple laws of the matter because laws keep changing Principles do not change principles don't change. No, give me an example with principle. Okay. Let me give you an example Yes, please speed speed and you drive around here. What speed do you take? Uh, I take I take different speeds as I go around that turn. Good. Yes when you go to Richmond and you're on 75 What speed do you drive? I on camera? I feel You can drive up to 70 But here's my thing to you. Those are the laws. They've changed right depending on the circumstances. Yeah, but To take care of speed never changes Because if you were to drive the same 70 year, you're gonna have an accident, right? It should be pretty detrimental to others. Mm-hmm set on the highway You can too but the chances are less if you follow the laws So laws keep changing but the principle of speed never changes because you take conscientious effort To follow that. So the principle is I'm minding the speed that I'm going at In concert with the people that are going around me so I don't have a bad impact on them Right and the laws will change because the laws here will say 25 Somewhere else it'll say 70 some other place it'll say 55 Just just on that principle idea before we get back to like the main topic There are people who get in car accidents still from going too fast True is the principle Is that them breaking the principle or is that them having a different internalized? So now we are looking at imperfections of people. Hmm. They're not looking into a principle of the matter We are looking at imperfections of people. So the principle remains the same but the people who apply it are different Or like they're they had a flat tire You know, like there's different things that happen. I get it. I think I get where you guys are coming from I'm wondering though at a hundred percent confidence This is gonna sound weird, but do you guys have a way to recognize if you were wrong That this may not actually be the best way that there might be a completely better way The world now is full of divisions and walls. So I would say the wall is the world is an example of Why more people should help each other? Yeah, but I'm wondering With the philosophy that you have that it's good to help other people You're a hundred percent sure that it's right. Yes What would you recognize? Are you able to recognize anything to lower you down on that confidence? No Because we see it on a regular basis. Is that your answer people? Yeah With the people we react with and the people that we know from a variety of countries No matter where they are from when they follow the same thing we do We've always had peace and harmony and complete complete What I would say is an absolute way of being friends I want to throw something out. Yes if you're not able to recognize What it would look like if you were wrong How can you be so confident that you're right? Because the only right thing that we have is the principles of the Bible Oh, we went to a completely different direction I'm gonna stop it right there Whoa, so he came to it. I thought it was really interesting when you ask like can you recognize if you were wrong? And he goes like immediate automatically no And I've been wondering what is that a phenomenon in people because he's not really listening like It's like he doesn't understand the question really He's just saying like he's almost answering the question like I cannot be wrong about this Not like can you can you identify if you are mistaken about this? Like did you have a parameter for it? Or I also noted that he was Giving me that answer very very early on but was distracting me with like the principle talk And with like the speed limit talk and then going around curves and then he was asking me questions So I'm like we need to focus on what is the crux or the foundational Glitch in his reasoning, which is if you're 100 confident, but you don't know what it looks like if you're wrong How can you justify 100 confidence? So I'm circling back to like that point in the most Conversationally possible. So like I'm not saying hey, I would don't want to answer that question right now Let me get back to the question. I'll like I'll answer your questions But we're going to circle back down to this point that I think is really and you um Something that I thought was cool is once I got there. I got to the god So like there's something that I call like the quagmire or like the swamp the swamp model Which is like when you try to see like, okay, he's confident, but he doesn't know what he looks like when he's wrong Let me see if we can get there and show him or not show but like see if he's justified at being so confident without Realizing what it would look like he's wrong and he's pulling me down to the swamp of like. Hey, what's the speed limit? Hey, it's the principle the matter. Hey, I believe in god. Hey people need to be peaceful with each other Hey, I've been in a lot of different places and everyone's really great. My wife is Different than I am like all these all these things are like dragging you away from the main point Which is are you justified at being 100 confident if you don't know what it looks like if you're wrong Are you able if you're unable to recognize if you're wrong? How can you be so justified in thinking that you're right to an absolute degree? That's more or less the point Which I think Your talks would benefit from when people take that position of 100 try and get to what that means Because I don't know if maybe there he is like It's just something which should be placed at such importance that he has to project this 100 confidence I don't know if he actually mean there is no way that in any circumstance. This this is wrong I mean there's something I wanted to to just show you guys That that idea you spoke about have you guys heard of the word ubuntu? Yes You probably heard about that the linux the linux bold. Yeah, so it's that's how you spell it I don't know if you can see it ubuntu. Yes, and You have great penmanship Shit, I thought I got it right anyway, so Ubuntu is is an african concept Which is pretty difficult to explain but basically it's They've got a nice way of translating it here on wikipedia. I am because we are So it's this concept that Humans do not exist as individuals. We're all connected and that is the most important thing to to Realize in the way you live your life is to recognize the humanity and the penance that you have on other people so it's a very important and Very beautiful concept in african culture. I thought it would have been a nice tidbit to share Thanks, um By a donkey By a donkey All right We can get into the second half, but I would say when I was giving up a hundred 100 scale I normally followed up when someone says a hundred percent that and that means you can't be wrong And they both they both affirmed yes, but ben has a point Even when someone says that they may not recognize the weight of it unless if you give them time To like consider that so like pausing is also a good point at that point too And maybe I could have paused after I said so there's no way it could be wrong. No Okay Calibrate to see um You know, are you a hundred percent about maybe some other other fact? What does that mean some just something like that? What else are you a hundred percent about? That's really good I just thought about as well is um Is the Jumping to the god belief is that a way for somebody to try and ground the conversation on something which they think will establish commonality Or basically stop the questioning Yeah That that was what I was thinking that um his answers were so quick and uh Because of like no pausing also I guess because I was thinking now that the pausing I think could could have remedied it a little bit But it was like principles. No, um, there's no way I can be like I think he was answering when you asked it Can you recognize if you're wrong? He says no There's I don't think he was answering. I cannot be wrong and then it's like I have the bible Right like the answer the it's here. This is why it's a hundred percent There's a really great dichotomy too before the the guy says there's no way I could be wrong And then I asked is there anything that you would recognize to like maybe show you that you're wrong And the guy says no But the wife who's sitting down says well look at the world and I'm like Oh Even though the guy's like we agree that this is important and he's looking at me The wife is on a completely different wavelength and when we continue the rest of this conversation Look at the face of the wife who's sitting down As we're talking compared to the guy who's standing up pontificating because it's it starts off like one to one and then just like Huh, we might have to talk about this later on which I thought this would make like a really cool video Anyway, you guys feel like we can knock out the rest one. Sure. Yes. All right, so interesting I'm gonna go back to screen sharing the thing that we have is the principles of the bible Oh, we went to a completely different direction You gotta have some sort of a guiding light that's kind of where our basis is starting our base is always there Okay, would you say an example was the perfect the foundation is the helping people the foundation is the bible What did jesus do? Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm catching up. I'm catching up And it should it should mold your life If you're if you're gonna follow something And and if you mold your life and you see the benefits from it, then you want to keep doing it Can I throw something out? Yeah, please do Um, is it possible for Different groups of people who don't have the bible to still help each help each other. Absolutely Do you really need the bible as your foundation then to help people? Well, if you can do it without it some sort of Some sort of solid background to follow it because we are so it backgrounds different If that foundation is different for different people and they still help each other. Is that really the foundation? Well, then it depends, right? I'll tell you I'll give you a basic idea In this country you have so many people who say they believe the bible and yet there's so much problems. Why? A lot of them call themselves christians But yet they have so many differences when it comes to A false suit of who they're gonna follow They look at men And they have certain things about issues about whatever it is About nationalism or flag or anything. They're always looking at Going that direction rather than looking at the bible where it talks about peace Talks about love Talks about justice unit talks about unity talks about mercy All those qualities all thrown aside because you start believing in this fundamental idea if you want to go That's totally fine. I I guess I can wrap up that So carla and frances The principles that you just as a quick summary principles that you guys brought up was it's important to help each other You guys are 100 confident that that is the right thing to do You were when I asked if you were able to recognize or Take to change your mind you didn't give or you weren't able to recognize anything Is that act would you say that's a fair statement? There's nothing that you can recognize that would change your mind About what we know at least inform you that you might be incorrect Oh that we might be incorrect. No, we have we're totally you're absolutely confident. We are absolutely confident Do you think that I'll leave them this last question last question? How are you talking to me? Oh, oh You Oh, what so can you speak? Okay, okay, so um what I guess was Is someone is very confident that they're right But don't have a way to recognize if they're wrong Is their confidence in being right justified Very good very good question now when we speak about Being right. We are talking about following the way of Jesus. So we are perfectly Imperfect in what we do So we are trying to reach a point where we can continuously follow those footsteps And along the way we are wrong Because we do mistakes. We make mistakes. We're always going to make mistakes But the important thing we do is do we get up and correct those mistakes? Okay, so we can still do the right thing Okay, so when we look at the end of the line So you guys aren't saying you're perfect. Oh, oh, absolutely But you have a hundred percent confidence you can't be wrong about the concept of what Jesus has said So maybe like more and I'm not putting words. Yes, but maybe like I'm 99.99999 Practice only in the fact that I'm an imperfect being I'm as confident as I possibly can And we recognize that when we don't put our best foot forward and when we don't reach out We see the end result isn't good. That seems like good evidence for it So that helps me to be more confident that this is definitely the right direction. Okay Thank you guys so much How long have you been studying Chinese? Uh, so at my last job everyone where I was the only american in the group Everyone was indian or chinese There was 44 people there So like I had to learn Some basic stuff Meridos is how I say my friend All right, and we're just chatting Okay, cool I just love that the connecting point is a language and that you know, like Languages that they're surprised that you have in common I love that like from the talking and talking and this is the way it is and then there's the Like you're laughing and like shaking hands and all that It's beautiful Hindi as well. I have some friends that speak Udindu I would say pro tip if you're ever going to learn a language that's very very popular in India Learn Hindi because it's the same as Uddu, which is a completely other country's Language, but they basically just call the same language two different. So you get a two for one there. It's pretty good. It's pretty good Okay, good to know What do you guys think as far as like a breakdown? um I see some things that I could have worked on there, but um, I think the selling point was like when I throw out How to stay focused on conversation how to stay focused on like the crux of the the issue And then I think I threw out a question that the lady who was listening. So it was like And then the guy was like, oh, that's pretty good, but I'm gonna keep doing my spiel Like, okay, okay, but I see like you guys are now thinking and when they do their walk Maybe they'll continue having a conversation like that. Maybe that's what you're thinking Or maybe that's something that could help to show that you can actually have those kinds of conversations What's the biggest difference you have seen when um When you interview two people like a couple like this versus one person Because I was thinking that you almost said it right now, but it was like they are She's defending his kind of like right to speak as the man about the things. This is what I'm seeing I might be completely wrong He's the person in the home that would probably often talk about these things and the principles and how they use them and And she gives him that space even though she would maybe have been thinking there about the Like the Like open question there rather than saying how they speak at home about their principles Something like this And I think I've noticed that in other kind of like couple conversations where they kind of fall into roles When they're like deeply held beliefs are maybe challenged or asked to be spoken of Right And I'm wondering about it. Have you reacted to those dynamics and what have you found? No, I think this probably this video might be the best example of that I did talk with a couple immediately afterwards And the guy wanted to talk about the same thing like being nice to each other being cool And I was like cool We'll talk about that and he had a pretty good standard of evidence for the thing that he believed which is like Well, I saw these examples and I was thinking about like this and this example I think yeah, I'm probably better off being nice to people than being mean to people So if everyone else felt that same rule, I think we'd be better off and I think that's Pretty good. And I was like, yeah, that works for me. And then the lady the girlfriend who was sitting next to him was like What's your philosophy? She's like, there's no such thing as an objective truth And I'm like So there's there's no way to show that anything's right. It's like, yeah And I was like, are you 100 confident about that? She's like, yes I'm like, wait, so you think nothing's true, but you think you're right about that She's like, yes, I'm like, there's no contradiction there. And then she just got angry What am I supposed to do with this? Like, um, and the guy was like, I have a question. Oh, go for it. Go for it, Linda. I have a question for Ben. Please quickly Um, I will abandon I will abandon and believe if I discover reliable information that falsifies it Oh, I strongly agree, but I'll struggle to do it anyway Yeah, yeah, yeah So I think maybe there was a struggle in the conversation where the guy was like used to the role And he didn't want to give it up But I think the lady was definitely if you we watched that video and see the facial expressions of the lady as The questions start getting to that that main crux. She's like, um, that's right. I don't have a good point for that Okay, and then she looked like something which I think you did very well there and um Ties into Linda's question about doing ac with two people Uh, the openness and the way in which you approached the conversation was such a good model to her Compared to her husband. He's like you said, it was kind of fun to find getting onto his soapbox and preaching down into you and I'm sure that um, probably with the personality as and not it's a bad bad thing to have But he he's somebody who gets into these probably pretty heated debates of people very easily And she might have been sitting there. She said, oh, shit. It's going to happen again and uh and I think just just doing that already got into mind space where she was Wow, this is interesting. This is something I've never seen before and um, there's there's deep value in that I spoke to two girls with my old experiments on disclosing that I'm eight years at the start of the conversation And ended very badly it ended with the one girl Begging me for 20 minutes To pray to Jesus as soon as I'm on my death bed just to get saved and we had the discussion about Honesty and I said I would see that as dishonest and I kept asking a couple of questions, but it got very heated And at the end of the conversation, I just asked a simple question to a friend Who was kind of pulled out of the conversation because she didn't want to get into this heated conversation Uh, although she had the same position as the friend who was preaching at me. I asked her Who do you think has a bigger probability of finding truth Uh, you guys are the the approach that we spoke about now or me of the approach that I'm taking and that sounds very very self-congratulatory but at the end she said now, I think your approach is better and That conversation in no way went well I wanted it to go and I didn't at all model as well as I wanted to but There is value in trying to show people It's you don't have to be so stuck in your ways. You don't have to be so fundamental about what you believe I think you did that very well in this conversation Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I like the way you insisted on the on the core question Like could you identify if you're wrong? You really like the last time you said it when he was like That's a really good question And then he continued, you know with the soapbox But at least you got him to say that and she heard it and she You know that that you could challenge him. I thought that was brilliant. Really valuable moment Completely by stepping the challenge in the god belief too. It's not like s. He's not like hey, you believe in god Let me show you why you're wrong. It's yeah reasoning valid If it's not valid, let me see if we can work on a more valid way And the question of is it justified isn't a statement that it's not It's just can you please explain to me how that is? And i'm open to figuring out what it could be and not and when he started preaching and said I was like Well, let's focus back on that question He pleased to explain to me how this is justified or not and I think by by issue of not Presenting a case. It's something that they'll think on more Hopefully that's the goal or at least showing other people that you can have that kind of conversation Where at the end everyone's smiling and it could be short and you can leave a really great impact something In your approach Which I think might have been detrimental in this conversation, but I wouldn't say change it maybe Maybe change it up a bit You're you're you're very honest when you start talking to somebody you've kind of got this I'm going to challenge you and that's kind of the dynamic you've got going and you do it beautifully because you Even though you you ask these challenging questions you balance it with rapport building it and whatever but Here I think he saw that challenge his mental process was Not I need to reflect on what I believe it's cool. This guy wants to challenge me. So I need to defend myself So I'm wondering if the um And that works it works well for some people I mean if it's somebody like that that comes one of the first conversations you had with him He is a guy who when somebody challenges him He sees it as an exercise of actually Reviewing what he believes he was at that spot and that conversation I think was deeply meaningful to him for that reason Um, I don't think this guy was at that spot So it might have been detrimental to the conversation to take that approach But you won't know it ahead of time, but it might be something worth experimenting with okay That's that perception Yeah, actually I came to think of um, I've noticed uh, it being done Uh in previous conversations also when it when the kind of like the belief is something positive Like something that is like we all think it's great to be good kind to other people I've heard you say that that I'm going to challenge this, you know Usually then and I have wondered it before like is it really necessary? I just go and challenge it. Why not challenge a positive belief? Uh, like what would Why Yeah, what would be the problem with challenging a positive belief? So like if it's a positive removed disclaimer, you think Yeah, or like any any belief, but I I kind of read I might be wrong, but I read that you're more concerned when it's a positive belief Like I really like you you want to say like, you know, you're fine believing that I'm just gonna like challenge it a bit Yeah Or maybe I hear it just differently because it is a positive thing Maybe you say it the same way for both, but I'm kind of thinking why not just leave it out I don't know. Yeah, like my mindset is um, it could be nervous energy in my part because I'm trying to basically say Hey, tell me something that you strongly believe is true. Okay, great. Now. I'm gonna question it like Just so like people are up to date with like the pace of the conversation because it's not just like, hey I really like gardening. Oh, cool. What kind of gardening do you like? It's more like I really like gardening and it's can help people like how do you know it can help people like I just want to let people to know like I'm not so much against your side I'm just asking questions about this thing with you and see if we can figure that out together And I agree that it probably worked better with some people than the other But for people who would get challenged by asking Hey, would you mind if I gently challenge that question or that statement that you made? They probably get challenged by something else later down the road I could definitely work in different ways to ask me that though. I probably Ask some questions about that Yeah, maybe ask questions like have it be a little bit more neutral. I don't know. Maybe just try it Instead of the word challenge I could try questions Something I've just thought about It's something which I always ask myself is I want to do this ifically And especially when it gets to certain beliefs I don't want some or somebody to feel blindsided I don't want somebody who after the conversation Maybe the conversation at home and they started thinking about things they google it and they see street epistemology They see manual for creating atheists and they're like this guy was was being dishonest. He was lying to me. So And what I'm just thinking now is that we You kind of can tailor your script To the belief that's being discussed. So when it's a very very deep deeply held belief, which is going to We think somebody Is going to have that adverse reaction potentially Which this would not would not be a case like that in my mind at least because you didn't jump into the god Believe so much there you can go to that that extra step of really trying to Explain why you're doing this and prepping them more than you would worry if somebody just came up and said Yeah, I've got this lucky coin. And I think it's always right something like that. Okay Right here There's definitely something I'm going to be thinking about more. I love talking to you guys about stuff like this Um, you'd be amazed how like I don't think there's anyone else on the planet where I could like sit down If like I love this kind of setup I have something it took me a while to get it in my head But I have this uh to say about what ben just said critique to a critique is that um Yeah, because I'm I'm kind of thinking about that like I think I've said this before actually so maybe this is Where we just view this thing very differently That I don't think it's that traumatic To realize at home that this person who was asking me these questions that made me think doesn't believe what I believe Um, and if it has affected them that much that they've continued thinking about and then gone home and gone googled it I reckon that's like a great thing and that um I'm that impressed and in love with sc like I said in the beginning of this show I believe that I think that if they look at like if they then start looking at the videos Um It's like just win win. I I'm not seeing that it would be like, oh my god. He doesn't believe Now I feel like violated and traumatized unless it was like you were really being an evil like You shouldn't believe kind of guy I'm not that convinced about the whole false pretenses thing unless you're Directly lying to them and saying that I believe in god and so I would like to hear about your belief That would be lying to them Yes, you you're not like talking about like going atheist. I don't think that's Deceitful, you know, I don't think we have to have it on our forehead also because you're willing to change your mind if they have a good argument I also want to submit like a meta critique on both of you guys's critique I think the ideal is One method to work for everybody because why should we switch it? Why should we make the pre-initial judgment of oh, this guy's belief isn't that important So I'm going to try this tactic with him or this person it's very important So I'm going to use this line of reasoning with them It should just be hey se in its best form is one thing that you can do And a lot of different situations because that generally is in my opinion probably be more less complex and more ethical Then not but realistically I do think that there is going to be Different people that will acquire different approaches in my mindset. I don't think se is The different methods that you use to talk to people I think se is one tool that you use to have a conversation and with that There's a bunch of other things that use a conjunction with that So if you read the room that's separate from se and if you size and if you make the decision Hey, I'm getting some weird vibes from this guy. That's a completely separate thing from se But the se I think really what about this was and like staying on focus and all that stuff Was I'm noticing that if I ask questions about this method that you're using to get your high confidence We can assess whether or not you use a reliable way to get there or not And what's a good way that we can have that conversation And I think everything else aside from that was not se I'll go for it I love it because I have a meta meta meta critique on this critique That I love How our no, this is like beautiful how our critique tells us to show us more about who we are I think what's high just said is the scientist What ben just said is like very true to ben and his perspective and what I said was very true for me in my perspective Like our critiques also show who we are and tells us something about ourselves Right, which is good to look at and that we can learn from this is what yeah the whole I will I will say one thing really cool before linda has to go Linda when you when we first met we were texting about What's a good way to tackle the I'm 100 confident about something How can I phrase a question to show you that 100% is never a good example? And we try to come up with some analogies over text This is like the first time before we ever did anything and I was like What if I had like a sock drawer that was filled with red socks and blue socks And it was like so long-winded and it didn't work an example And between the two of us we came out with the example of While you ask are you able to recognize if you're wrong because if they More likely be inclined to say no or yes, I am able to recognize them wrong with such stuff the question of okay What would that look like and if they said no then it's like Okay, well then if you can't recognize that you're wrong How can you know that you're right and I think that's like a good at least Set up for that question normally I don't like yes or no questions But I found like that was just a good way to present Hey 100% confidence or zero percent confidence about anything Isn't norm isn't really a practical place to be if you want to justify that kind of position Um, that that was like a cycle of like finally getting a chance to employ that question Um, okay. How do we feel then do you have anything? Ah, this was awesome That's always Breaking I just want to get one of Linda's videos in here. So All we need to do is Finish before we do that apparently Yeah, I'm sorry, I've been so busy with lab planned and writing my book there about critical thinking This is why I um wanted to learn how to do se so that was priority number one So then my se practicing or uploading and editing and all that had to give way for the work with the book And the book is getting to be something really fantastic Thanks to you guys and thanks to learning se and um the journey will continue. I thought I would have written it Uh in my time in lab plan, but I've learned so much more and there's more to write So I'm going to let this blossom As I learn like the book Um, I have a working title. I don't really like saying it out loud Please don't tell me But I can tell you the the the narrative really quickly It's a girl who runs away from home um and finds an abandoned house and fixes it up And she finds that people have lived there before she finds books and evidence of lives lived and uh and journals and things and um gets into a bit of um critical thinking and She's really curious. She she's got this MacGyver streak. She likes to fix things and test things So it's kind of like the scientific method and like adventure and or and let's have fun Exploring the world kind of a book graphic novel. So it will be illustrated and have some se in it In place very cool. Very very cool Looking so forward to that It's a good show guys. How about we wrap up then let's wrap it up Do we got goals? Ben, how's your foxtrot going mental foxtrot? That's amazing Really falling over my feet for the first off of the session, but no, I'm just perfect Really, so I'll take my camera along tonight and prove it to you guys. Oh, wow Okay, very confident. So you would definitely say you scored your point on Mastering the foxtrot in your mind Yes, you can actually dance with your wife later on today. Very cool To confirm it later and we might have to deduct that point Okay, we'll come back now if you thought about it, you get the point. It's locked in you got that one point That puts casual canines at three points this year Very nice linda Mako Yes, I used Ben diesels questionnaire the street epistemology questionnaire The easiest way to get started with se is to just have this around and ask people these wonderful questions because it's fun People generally like it and if they don't like it, just don't ask them the questions But usually they like it. It's like it's fun to think about it. It's fun to think about it together and I asked Tyrone if If this statement is true I often investigate beliefs that do not match my own and he said he agrees and then I asked ben I will abandon a belief if I discover reliable information that falsifies it. What does falsify mean test testable All right, like proves it wrong. It means that Yes, you have a frame of reference to know what it looks like like it's wrong Exactly. Oh, so that was kind of going to the show and Ben diesel answered that he strongly agrees but Might struggle to do so might struggle to let go of the belief That's understandable Yeah So, uh, my goal was to learn how to do the kamehameha wave in terms of the cell in time for the cell games before cell destroys the entire world Uh, I had uh reservation for a place called hyperbolic time chamber ink It was really really cool Turned out it was just a karaoke bar And it was not the place where I need to go to train for a year in about an hour time But I'm still I'm still dedicated to saving the world and even if some guy does it before I do I'm totally fine with that too. I'm open to it. But you know, I'm going to keep mastering my chi Um, I'm going to keep working out. I got this One two times gravity situation going on. I think I'm working up there. So Again, it's two for two. I didn't I didn't meet the goal, but I've still very motivated I think if I just work hard and just like master my yelling, I can get it done and I don't know dude Your hair guy is going to have to be worked on very very seriously Oh, so it's a black thing actually black people when they go super saying it's it actually shrinks into their hair Really? Yeah shrinks into the scalp. Yeah. So any bald guy you see don't get in a fight with him because he's a super All right, so I think we let So thank you guys so much for joining us for league of sc reviewers all we do is show Our content to each other and try to get some good critical feedback If you want to join them a conversation, just leave some comments below And we would love to hear and know from other people that are part of this league of friends that are interested Getting each other better at this wonderful hobby of talking to each other talking at the same level and not talking About each other. Anyway, we're gonna close with our catchphrase. I am both rubber and glue on three two one I am I am both rubber and glue