 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode. This fantastic episode. I just like to hijack you, everyone. Yeah, of mine pump. For the first 35 minutes, we talk about some interesting things. First, we talk about my improved gut and my new level of awareness. Whoa. Can I punch your gut? We talk about soft parents. Help me a pussy. That's hilarious. Coaching moments. And then I do a little Thrive Market price comparison with Whole Foods and other grocery stores. By the way. It's a substantial amount of money. You save a lot of money. We are sponsored by Thrive Market. We do have a fat discount deal for our listeners. Let's put you to go to ThriveMarket.com forward slash mind pump. Here's what you're gonna get. You're gonna get a free month membership. You're gonna get $20 off the first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. 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So after I did my two parasite anti-microbial cleanses and fast and all that stuff, my gut has been, dare I say, bulletproof. Whoa. Like it has been- Can we get sued for using that term? Yeah. Doug, can we say bulletproof? I think so in this context. In this context, it's fine. I don't know. He's got the rights for so many things. Exactly. No, my gut has been so amazing to where I'll eat things that'll normally cause problems and they don't, not only does it not cause problems, but I'm pooping amazing and I feel great. I feel amazing. So here's the problem with that. Here's the learning lesson. I already know. You're probably flirting with the boundaries. It's not flirting with the boundaries. It's that I didn't realize how much of my motivation was tied to this external source, this external symptom that I would get at the point where, you know, and that's not good. It's fine because it helped me, but it's not good in the sense that now that my gut seems so good. Wow. I don't feel the same. What great awareness on your part because you know what? I'm gonna just contribute to this right now. I, in the four years we've all been together, I've heard you mention candy like two times or three times ever and all of it's been recently. I've never even heard you say like, oh, I want some candy. But you, because in the past, I think you would just say, fuck that, I want nothing to do with that because of how you probably feel. But that makes a lot of sense now because you've probably been feeling so good. You're like, I can handle this now. It's just a new, it's a new situation. And so now because I'm in a new situation, new context, all of a sudden I have to, it's a different challenge to me. So that's what I've been doing. Like I've been eating more, like if we eat out, I'll eat the bread sometimes more often or I'll have the dessert more often and it's extra calories. So now I'm working out and I'm feeling strong. So that's, there's that old pattern, right? That old reinforcement that's coming in. I'm not having gut issues. So I don't have that now. That's reminding me constantly to eat a particular way. And so this weekend I'm sitting there and we went out to eat. We ate at Outback, which no affiliation, but remarkably good steak at Outback. I just want to make sure I say that. But we're eating there and I'm having the steak, but I'm also having the bread, I know. Oy. So I got some blooming onion. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. So anyway, we're eating at Outback and I'm having the bread and I had the french fries and afterwards I'm like, hey, let's go get some dessert or whatever. Damn. And I'm thinking of myself. You go girl. Exactly. And I'm, and it's like, you know, it's funny because I even thought to myself like I had a conversation with Jessica and I'm like, man, I'm really off the rails. And she looked at me funny because that's not my terminal. That's how I talk about these things normally on or off the rails or on or off the, I don't talk about them that way. And she's like, wow, did you just say that you're off like the rails? Like you were on something and now you're off of it. And I'm like, this is crazy. It's, it's, and I started to realize like, wow, because I'm having, I'm not having any gut issues. I don't have that external force or reminder. So I'm not as consistent as I was before. And so I'm having to reevaluate everything so that I'm, you know, going back to being intuitive like I was before without that external reminder. So it's a new challenge as strange as that sounds. And I want to, I want to figure it out now before that external motivator hits me again, which will inevitably, if I push it long enough, I'm sure my gut is going to have a reaction. And then I'm like, oh, fuck, I should have known. I don't want to get there. But I also want to make sure that that's not my motivation. So I'm saying I want to make sure I'm doing this because it feels good in other ways. Very, it's an interesting position to be in because it reminds me of how, how it is to be motivated by, you know, I don't want to get fat or I want to build muscle or, you know, all the other things that we tell people to try not to use as your motivation. Mine was just a big part of it was that was the gut issues. Big thing. You know, we just, we got done, just got done right now talking to Chris Kresser and man, the analogy that he gives of the dirty window windshield, right? Is such a great analogy because, or at least for me, I connect so much to this because for years, you know, I ate all this stuff. And I know that my body started to express psoriasis and I never connected that to food. I just thought like, oh, this just sucks. I'm gonna, you know, it runs in my family or something, I'm gonna get it. And I remember when we first went on the ketogenic diet, how amazing I felt, how much better my skin, my hair, everything was. And it wasn't until I actually went back the other way and reintroduced all the stuff that I used to do. Did I really realize, holy shit, like until you clean the windshield off completely, you don't realize how all these little bugs and things that are hitting it are really affecting you. And so you completely clean it, you know? You don't feel the real impact. Right, and so much of that made sense to me because I'm like, how many clients have I talked to and they're like, oh no, I'm fine. I don't have a gluten intolerance or oh, I eat all those foods and I've got no problems or I drink those energy drinks all the time. I was that person, I get it too. But it wasn't until I completely eliminated it and for some time. You had to clean the windshield. Yeah, I had to completely clean the windshield and then when I reintroduced this stuff, I was like, holy shit. It was like all these signals, everything. I'm headaches, can't sleep very well, on the toilet right away. It was like, how is this possible that I didn't see any of this stuff before? But it just goes back to how amazing our bodies are and adapting, like of course, if you're gonna continue to poison it every single day, the body's gonna get resilient. It can be like, okay, let me figure this out, let me get better. It'll figure out a way to control symptoms, but that doesn't mean that the damage isn't happening. Right, and how many people are going through this? People that, if you're listening and you're a growth-minded person, like if you are in search of being a better version of yourself every day, that I implore you to go and try an elimination diet and then have at it, you know what I'm saying? Just run an elimination diet for a month or so. I know our guides coming out soon and in there, Sal talks all about it and I think it's an incredible guide and those of you that already bought the original nutrition guide get it free. So it's coming and I think it's a great place for people to start. But regardless, if you think you're completely fine eating the way you are or not, I implore everybody to at least go through that process because I think once you do that, it's much easier to make the connection to these foods that- It reminds me of the story of the man that was born with one eye so shut. You know, born with one eye so shut, lived most of his life one eye open and someone came to him and said, hey man, you're only looking through one eye. You can see through the other one. He's like, what are you talking about? That's crazy, I don't believe you. And then he goes over and he pulls out the stitches and opens his eye and then for the first time, he realizes all the stuff that he's been missing. And that's really what a process like that does. It's what fasting did for me in some ways. Elimination diet does it in some ways. Being active does it in other ways where you start to realize all the things that you're missing and how much better life can be. It's pretty crazy. And I look at some of the issues that I've had with my health as blessings. They totally drove me to learn some of the stuff that I've learned and to develop my sensitivities to what intuitive eating is all about and how to work with people because I had to deal with it myself. There's nothing like personal experience to teach you. I mean, it's crazy to say that because you don't want to say, hey, if you don't work out, if you don't eat right, you can't learn and teach these things. I'm sure you can, but when you've done it to yourself, you understand it differently. You know what I mean? You know it on a whole nother level. So anyway. So what'd you do this weekend? You just hung around or what? Yeah, we came down here for the, did you get a chance to see the people at the boxing? I missed everything. Just real quick, I was with my kids all weekend. I came in to record an intro for the Rob Wolf episode because we forgot to record an intro for it. But we- Duplicitid cock face. Duplicitis cock face. Kenny, what does that word? Duplicitis. Duplicitis. What does that mean? Does that mean like two-faced? No, no, no, no, it means two cocks. No, no, no, no, no, that doesn't mean that at all. I looked it up before I wrote it. It's like, let me get it for you. I just had it up actually. I wanted to make sure that I understood the definition before I actually wrote it. But when he said that, I also counted how many times that he said cock block. I was gonna do a- Pox my signal to my brain. Right, I was gonna do a either Duplicitis. It means treacherous. How did you get to it faster than me, bro? He's a good little wizard, dude. I had it already in my history and you still beat me to that. How the fuck did you do that? Come on, bro. He's got some secret Siri things. Yeah, I've hooked up my brain. I have a brain internet interface. There it is. I'm watching porn while I'm talking to you. Both of you beat me to it. Implants. Yeah. You know why? I sounded out of my head like five times before I did that. Duplicitis. You know what I'm saying? That's how my brain works. Google is one of the best spell checkers in the world. That's how I spell shit now. I just start entering in Google and it's like- Yeah, I do the same. Yeah, but that can get you in trouble sometimes too. Yeah, you can do the wrong sign. Because I don't know how many times I've done that and it gives you another word that's not the word you're looking for, but it's really close to the spelling. Did you just glance at it really fast? Yeah, you just glance at it and you're like, oh, close enough and then I get it. It happens to me all the time. That is exactly how I get caught up because a lot of times I'll just be writing what's on my mind. I don't take the time to spell check it. If there's something I can't quite get to, I throw it in Google real quick and then I just post it. And then I get somebody going like, you do know that you said this and of course all the fucking keyboard warriors are gonna come get me for my spelling all the time or my grammar, right? Cause it's off. Like that doesn't make sense at all. But yeah, so this weekend, I was with my kids all weekend. My daughter had two soccer games and I love, absolutely love watching my kids do shit. Even if their team sucks. Cause I'm going to tell you my daughter's team has not won a single game, but they're in the, so they're in the under 10 group age group, but everybody on her team is like seven or eight and the other teams that they're playing are like nine and 10. That's a big difference when you're a kid. And they're just getting smoked by these bigger girls to the point where, so I watched the game yesterday. Size differences are ridiculous. Dude, I'm watching the game. My daughter wants to play goalie. She's like, oh, I want to be goalie. So like, okay, fine. So they're playing the first half and they get just destroyed. If the team scores like eight points. Oh my God. Yeah. Soccer. Soccer. So then the coach tells his team, you're not allowed to score. What you're going to do is just pass and try to keep the ball away. So then the second half comes. Finally, my daughter gets to play goalie. Of course, this half, they're not even trying to score. They're just passing it around. So my dad is my daughter standing there with like this too big of like, you know, goalie shirt on. So it's kind of like down to her knees. She's got these big gloves on with a little ponytail. She's just standing there watching the ball. Just looking. Now that's like, she's so cute, but she wants to play. Now that's a fascinating topic right there. I, I don't know if I would like that. I didn't. I think I would go. I think if I was the opposing coach, I would call a timeout, walk over and say, hey, listen, motherfucker. I don't want any charity. Teacher and ISIS. Like I'm trying to coach and teach these. Crush our team. Yeah, right. You guys are better fucking beat them. Bring it on. I got a lesson for that. And that is, there's a, what a fucking problem. Why would you do that? Because I didn't make any sense as the parents are soft. Yes. I actually heard there's a lot of soft parents. So I'm sitting on the sidelines, right? Game is over. Kids are, you know, shaking hands or whatever. And I hear one of the moms that she's like, she's like, they need to change this. She's like, these girls are not going to want to play soccer anymore because they get their butts kicked by these teams, these girls that are bigger. And I'm thinking I'm like, listen, mom, that's fucking life. This is a game. That's life. This is a learning lesson for your kid. This is a great opportunity for you as a parent to coach. This is what I, I had a coaching moment. I'm in the car with my daughter. We're driving after, after the game, we're driving home. And I'm like, wow. I'm like, how would you think of that game? And she goes, they scored like 10 points. I'm like, yeah, they killed you. And she's like, they were a lot bigger than us. I'm like, yeah, they're bigger and better than you. They're a lot, a lot more skilled. I said, but what happened the second half? It looks like they didn't really score that much anymore. And she goes, I think they weren't trying to score. And I said, well, what did you think about that? She's like, well, I think they don't want to score because they were beating us so bad. I said, yeah, but what did you think about that? I said, what makes you, does that make you feel bad or does that make you feel good? And she's like, well, she's like, I don't, she's like, I kind of feel bad that they, that the coach told them not to score. So I'm like, I'm thinking of my head. I'm like, these kids aren't idiots. They recognize it. Right. They know what's going on. Like they'd run all the way to the goal and then they kick it back and start passing it back and forth. I'm like, now you're just poking fun at everybody. Yeah, we had the same problem. My oldest like going through that and then like, they would stop. Yeah, they would stop all their efforts or they take all their best players out and all that and like patronize the kids and all that. And they feel that. Now I have the opposite problem. So my youngest is very physical and he like gets after it. The little Justin. He's an amazing like slide tackler. He goes for the ball and it's totally like legit. But he makes like all the other, like I just listen to all the parents and like have them, they're all scoffing every time you'll do it. They like take some kids out. He'll hit like a perfect shot on the ball, no contact on the kid. And then they're like complaining, oh my God. And I'm like sitting right next, like this time I was sitting in the game right next to like the opposite teams, you know, families and all that stuff sitting there. I'm like, yeah, I have to get after it. You know, go off the ball. And then like some poor kid like just eats it, you know, eats grass and he takes the ball and he goes and he scores and like, yeah. And then like after that, I just keep hearing this like, you know, real subtle like comments in the background. Oh my God, he's pushing and the, and they're just ignoring the fact that like their kids are like pushing too. Yeah. And they're like being really physical, but like they're like singling out, you know, cause he's like doing it better. I remember, I actually, there's a video, my mom has it still of me playing soccer and slide tackling the fuck at every kid. I got actually got red. That was me too. I actually got a red card at four because I just learned how to do it. And then it was like, oh, like everything. It's legal. Like no reason. There was like no reason for me to do it, but I was doing it. Like every kid, every time the ball was near me, I'm slide tackling. Like once you, as a kid, when you're, if you play soccer, I play soccer for seven years. And when, when you learn how to do that, it's like the coolest trick ever, you know? I didn't even teach him it. He just started doing it. I'm like, oh yeah, like I was so proud. That's hilarious. No man, when I, when I watch my kids play sports, I think of as I'm watching, well, first of all, I'm a proud parent and I'm not proud because my kids are doing anything spectacular. I'm just, just, it's just my kid. You know, I love my kids and I love watching them and it makes me emotional every fucking time they do something literally every single time. Yeah. I have a great time watching. That's true. That's why I have that. But when I'm, when I'm watching the game, I'm also making mental notes and I'm thinking to myself of like, you know, coaching moments for me as a father. Like what am I going to take from this? And how can I take advantage of what's going to happen in this game and talk to them about what's going on? And if they win, what are the coaching moments there? And if they lose, what are the coaching moments there? And I'm going to be honest with you, but the important, some of the most important coaching moments are the losses. By far, those are the times when I can sit down with my kids and talk to them about why they lost. And most of the time it's because the other team was better or the other kid was better. If they want to win next time, how they can do it usually involves more work, right? It involves more work. And I don't point it out, like if, like with my daughter, I told her, I said, you know, I said, why do you think the other team was so much better? And she's like, oh, they're older and they're bigger. I said, they are, I said, but they're also better. Why do you think they're better? And she's like, well, they play more. So if you want to get better, what do you think you need to do? She's like, we should practice more. I said, exactly. And I want them to equate hard work and effort and practice with getting better. Why can't we connect that? Why can't we say, okay, they're not just better because they're two years older, they're better because they've had two more years of playing the sport that you're playing at currently right now. And if you actually put that much time into what it takes, like why not break it all the way down and be like, let's unpack this. Like, okay, yes, they're beating us because they're older than us, but why is it really, it's not because they're age. Like, it's not, especially when you get older, the difference between a 35-year-old and a 37-year-old in the real life doesn't really matter, especially if the 35-year-old put in way more work over the years than the 37-year-old. So the age doesn't really matter. It's that, oh, at that age, okay, we're gonna talk about kids. More than likely, those kids have got two more years of practicing the sport. And so the message is, listen, hon, if we can put in as much work as they've put in that are older, we can be as good as they are. And sometimes, and it's good to know that there's people that are way better than you at things in life. You know, like, why should we stifle their excellence? I would get so pissed if I saw that. That type of stuff makes me, that's like the trophy thing, dude. It does, and I'm watching it, and I'm just like, oh, man, like. Who decides that? It's just a fucking thing. Is it like a league thing, or was it like a coach that coaches their parents? No, I think it's like a standard. Like, that's what you do at this age, is if the other team is just pouncing on you. Yeah, they're just being soft with their feelings. I'm thinking in my head, like, I understand taking out your, you know, maybe taking out the player that scores all the goals because you're so far ahead. That makes sense. That's what professional teams do. No, no, no, no, 100%. But the whole strategy of, oh. Yeah, let's not score. No, don't score. You're not trying to be an asshole about it. That's a great opportunity for the team that's already better to now sub in players that are less, you know, aren't as talented or haven't played as much and get them some playing time. Totally understand that. Totally fair. And it'd be healthy and good to teach them and still, but still go score. Like, why would you, to me is so absurd that they would do that, man. Yeah, I mean, like I said, there's a lesson and there's a lesson there. Lazy parenting. That's what that is. It's lazy parenting. It's parenting that people don't, they don't want to take the time to sit there and explain like you had to do with your daughter to break it down. They just want to be like, oh, it's because they're bigger. And then the other thing too is every, this has happened a couple of times now at the end of the game when they bring all the snacks and it's usually, you know, shitty snacks for kids, which I'm always like, whatever. My kids now are conditioned to just ask, to look at me and ask, which always looks bad because they'll be with all the other kids and the parents are handing out like, hey, do you want a doughnut? And do you want a doughnut? Here, do you want a doughnut? And then my daughter looks back and she's like, but can I have a doughnut? And I'll look at her and be like, no, I think you had something else earlier today. And she's like, okay, and she won't have it. I know the parents, and I can feel the parents looking at me. Oh, it's that fitness parent. Yeah. Telling their kids not to eat. Dude, I haven't had any doughnuts. That's ridiculous. Doughnuts. People are bringing doughnuts? A box of fucking doughnuts. Fuck you. That's like insulting me. And I told, who was it I was talking to? I was talking to someone about this. I want to say it was my mom, but maybe not. And I was trying to explain to them because they'll just say, oh, it was just one cookie. And I'll say, hold up a cookie to your hand. And then they'll hold up the cookie. And I'll be like, okay, so it's like half the size of your hand. Now hold it up to a seven year old's hand. Now imagine eating a cookie in proportion to your size as big as you. Would you ever eat a cookie that big? No. It'd be massive. I'd say that's why. It'd be the size of your face. Yeah, because I'll go in and I'll take it out. You can't just one. Because I'll break one in half. And I'll be like, here you have half. And people are like, why are you only giving them half? And I'm like, because they're tiny. There's no reason for them to have this massive, this massive cookie. They ran around for an hour and literally only burned 200 calories because their body's so little. It doesn't take that much fuel. Knucklehead. Dude, it'd be like eating something big. You meant that shit? You know what, speaking of food, I meant to, so somebody messaged me after one of our last episodes where we talked about Thrive Market and they were saying, hey, you guys actually said that there are foods that are cheaper on there than actually whole foods that kind of called me out on that. You were the one that had told me that. Dude, so I actually did it this weekend. So I normally don't, I pay attention to the prices of foods, but it's not like a huge, huge priority for me because A, I can afford it and B, quality is very important. But since having this sponsorship with Thrive Market, I've been buying all of my non-perishable type things like my Paleo pancake mix because sometimes I'll do that with my kids or there's certain types of cereals I'll buy or ghee or macadamia nuts or shaving cream or whatever. I'll get it through Thrive Market. And so I actually went through and started comparing prices. So I'm saving, I'm saving like 150 bucks a week in some cases by shopping at Thrive Market. So that means it's gotta be like a 20 to 30 plus percent. Some things are 50% or 33%. Some of them are half. Some of them are half the price, no joke. So I went through. So the Paleo pancake mix, Thrive Market, 479. Normally you'll find it whole foods wherever else anywhere between 650 to 750. So that's a big difference. My kids will sometimes I'll buy them this treat Pirates Booty. That's the name of it. Unfortunate name. Why would you even name anything that? Whatever. Eat some Pirate Booty. But it's, yeah, these non-GMO. I thought that was a cereal. No, it's these like little cheese snacks or whatever. And I'll buy this bag of these like individual packets. Thrive Market 549. Normally 769. I've seen it as high as 869 somewhere else. So just to give you an example of the difference. Ghee. So I love to use ghee for cooking stuff. Clarified butter. Delicious. Check this out. So the 13 ounce bottle of ghee. 14 ounce. Organic Valley. Yeah, 13 to 14 ounce bottle. So Organic Valley is the brand that I get. Thrive Market 1095. I can never find it for anything less than like 15 or $16. Yeah. So just to give you an example of. It's significant, man. Yeah. Huge, huge. And then there's that gum that you always buy. Yeah, I buy that mainly for fasted breath. You know, like I swear I get home and Courtney's like, oh, like I tend to fast like for a long period of time till like two or three o'clock in the afternoon. You get that ketone breath? Get that ketone breath. Oh wow, you get it. You notice the difference in your breath when you're fasted? Mm-hmm. Oh, shit. What about you, Sal? I don't. I don't. But I should ask my girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. She's the one that presents it to me more than anything. So yeah, so I like this pure gum, which I like to buy because it's more natural and they use natural ingredients. And so I just keep that in my car. You know, if I feel like my breath's a little bit off. How's it taste of it? It's not bad, actually. I mean, it's more of just like a minty kind of a flavor. It doesn't taste like there's, obviously it tastes like there's not a lot of sugar in it. So it's like you got to kind of work through the gum of it. But once you get to chewing it, it's not bad. It's much better than the alternative. Who was it that we were talking to that talked about how, or maybe I read this somewhere. Maybe it wasn't someone we talked to about how chewing gum can actually cause bloating because it sends this signal to the stomach like the whole digestive process has started and you actually get bloated from. That's super fascinating. So there could be a problem with the chewing gum, but the problem is separating that from the fact that you're chewing something with artificial flavors and sweeteners and colors and all that stuff. So my girlfriend, if she chews Trident or whatever, we've already connected now. She does get that. She gets the gut issues and sometimes skin issues from it. She doesn't necessarily get it from the pure gum and the other types of sources. Oh, really? So you've got to separate the two, but I could see the rationale where you're chewing and not swallowing food. But for people who may not produce enough acid in their stomach like Justin, who gets acid reflux and stuff, chewing gum might help. And of course, yeah, it's another sort of a band-aid in a crisis moment because it's like, either like, tongues are on hand at that point or I found that gum actually helps with that on some level. So yeah. Did you catch yourself just kind of naturally gravitating to that or like, when did you actually connect that? Like, oh shit, every time I send to have these issues I also send to gum and it makes me feel like, how the fuck? Recently, yeah, a couple, like maybe like two months ago, I had just because of the breath and I've been experimenting more with fasting, which when I'm fasted, obviously my, I'm suppressing a lot of this like acid reflux. I don't really have as many problems. So I've been, I've done elimination diet, which I'm trying to pinpoint like exactly, okay, which food group is it? I'm tending to think more now, it's probably a combo and I'm trying to figure out what that combo is. Could you imagine if it was dairy? Dude, I know it probably, you know what? My guess is cheese. Mother fucker loves so much cheese. It's like a denial that it has nothing to do with it. I know, I know. We just had Chris Cressor on here and we're like, okay, normally it's the thing that you eat the most of, it's probably. Isn't an intervention, Adam, okay. Fuck and clean your windshield off, mother fucker. Wipe your windshield off and you're gonna see this big ass cheese bug hit your windshield and you're like, so. In the meantime, I'm bandating my problem with gum. Okay, in short. And so what's great about Thrive Market is, yeah, so it's $29.88. So that's the normal price I'm gonna get for the box because I'll have a box in my car that I keep and I get for $19.99. So it's a huge saving. So anyway, that's another good saving. You do save a ton on there. Dude, you would starve to death if you couldn't have dairy. Bro. It's like, here it is. Like, I don't know, quality of life, you know what? I don't know, dude, you know what, that could be like a challenge or something, like for me, like for a month, you know, maybe like just go like maybe a couple of weeks and just like go without all dairy. I'm trying to remember. I think I'm gonna have to do that. I had, I had a little bit. That sucks. So I don't, I never have, cause I'll do it now. I never have dairy, but I had a tiny piece of cheese the other day. Wow. That is, I fucking love cheese. Was it a nuclear bomb in you though? It was just, it was like, I don't know, I'd explain it, sex. It's like I had sex for the first time. Yeah. Wow. I'm trying to remember what was the hardest for me to let go of when I was like eliminating stuff in my diet, what was really, really tough. Ice cream. Yeah, yeah. Probably, you know what's funny, once the ice cream went, once like candy went, once like bread and pasta went, once I got rid of it for long enough, I actually didn't want it. Yeah, I didn't really, and then I still mess with it. Don't get me wrong. I still have these bouts of like, you know what? I haven't had a candy in forever. I can have a candy if I want one. I'm a grown up, you know? And then I go have one, and then I'm easy. Who tells me what to do? I'm quickly reminded of why I don't anymore because it right away affects me. And so it is kind of this blessing in disguise now where because I did eliminate it out, I don't really crave it, but yet I still have those moments where I interjected into my life. Every time we go on like some kind of a trip with a paleo effect or a Spartan race or wherever, every time, it's like a tradition now. Yeah. Adam and Justin are gonna order pizza, and then the next day Adam and Justin are gonna suffer, are gonna shit all day and talk about it. We're gonna suffer, and then we're gonna eat, it's gonna happen. We're gonna eat stinky ass broccoli. And then I always, hey, can we just, can we entire house, it's a huge house. Why don't you say thank you? Yeah, well, thank you. Somebody thinks about, you know, but yeah, our people that came in to do an interview with us. Come on, dude. Come on, bro. I'm always the guy, I buy the broccoli or the vegetables. I cook it for everybody. Come on, you gotta be happy that you eat it. So this was one of Taylor's first trips with us, right? And it was so funny because Taylor and I had went out and I don't remember what we did, but we agreed that like, okay, Justin or Sal have to go do the grocery shopping because we already ran the last errand, so we were staying home. So they went, right? And we were, Taylor and I were talking, they get just, or Sal gets back with all the groceries and he comes up to me, he's like, hey, what the fuck, dude? He's all, I thought Sal was going grocery shopping. I said, no, he didn't. He goes, bro, he just bought like broccoli and water. It's like broccoli and water and like two other things, that's all we have. I thought he was going grocery shopping. I was like, oh, you haven't had Sal go grocery shopping for you before. This is exactly how good. Maybe you'll get some macadamia nuts in there and some olive oil, other than that. Kombucha. Yeah, maybe some kombucha. Thanks, man. These are our meals for the next three days, Sal. Like this is all, and now all we get is this like fucking, you know, four foot tall by, or three foot, but diameter fucking bowl of broccoli inside of our refrigerator and the whole house stinks like broccoli. It's your breakfast. I gotta take care of my bowl. I will say though, if it wasn't for you. I wouldn't have had any vegetables. Well, not only that, but it wasn't until we started hanging out, did I really try, start making these like vegetable dishes where I would just sit. It's all centered around the vegetable. Right, I never really did that before and I have to give you credit for really introducing that to me and it really helping in changing my life because I'd never thought I could sit down and have a bowl of broccoli, like a huge bowl of broccoli and actually enjoy it because I never utilize things like ghee and butter and the olive oil and balsamic and different nuts and things to kind of really bring out like a good flavored tasting bowl where I always just steamed my vegetables and the reason why I ate vegetables was because I needed to. You know, like, I need to eat my vegetables so I gotta eat them. Oh, I crave Brussels sprouts as a result of our trips. I'm always like, we're introducing that probably like two, three times a week. Ever since that recipe that Doug introduced us to when we went up to, where was that? We were at that trip. That was the one off the river. Yeah, yeah, where was that at though? The Russian River, yeah. Yeah, when we were up there. That's when we almost got flooded. That was the, and I've posted before, that was the balsamic and the walnuts and, oh, yes, and bacon. I'm like, man, I've never, that's a, that's actually a- That's a meal. It's a staple dinner for Katrina and I. We, a lot of times when we both get home if we like, we're dialed in right now, we're like, hey, you know what, let's stay. We're leaning out or whatever. It's like, that's a great meal. It's super satisfying. It tastes amazing. I feel so good after I eat it the next day. Like, such a simple thing, you know? Dude, you wanna talk about a dinner. Friday, you just reminded me. Friday night, my mom, my mom invites us over for dinner. And my mom tells me, your dad's, your dad's barbecuing. My dad is in my family. He's like, this is what he's known, he's known for a few years. He's the grill master. Yes, he's the grill master. And if you eat over my dad's house when he's barbecuing, you're gonna eat like a lion. And what I mean by that, like a lion is like, you've seen a lot of meat. So we get there and I'm not exaggerating. He makes bone and rib-eyes that are this big. I don't know where he finds that. That's awesome. So yeah, you put it, so we had rib-eye sausage that my mom made gnocchi, which is fucking amazing with the homemade sauce. What is that? You never, whoa, you never had gnocchi? No, no, me either. You've neither one of you had gnocchi before? Oh man, introduce us. Is it Italian, Asian? What is it? Wow, I can't believe, this is so weird to me. It sounds like Japanese. I can't believe neither one of you have ever had gnocchi. I haven't even heard of it until you just said it. I feel like we're walking into a joke. Say it one more time so I remember it. Gnocchi. Gnocchi. So it's spelled G-N-O-C-C-H-I, gnocchi. So that G-N makes that gnocchi sound. Sounds like Gucci. Kind of. So they're basically potato starch dumplings with maybe a little bit of flour. So they're like this round and you cook them, you boil them and then you put sauce on them and they're so, like when you eat them, they like melt in your mouth and they're fucking amazing. Where does it come from? I told you. Potato. No, no, no, no, I mean like what culture? It's Italian, bro. Oh, it is Italian. Of course. Oh, it doesn't sound, it ends in a vowel. Yeah, gnocchi is Italian. It ends in O. Yep. No, no, I, gnocchi. O or I is always Italian, right? Always. But anyway, so she made that and then we had some green beans from the yard and all these, oh, fuck man, I eat so much food. Wow, I wish my weekend looked like that food was. I lived off my green juice weekend. Did you? Well, I would have. You were gone, right? Yeah, I took, I did miss out on the box and burn thing, but I, you know. Shout out to those guys. Yeah. Great job gentlemen. Yeah, no, it was cool. I'm gonna get showing for that. And I missed out on the MP fans that were here and stuff like that next time. Jackie was here. I saw Jackie. How you doing Jackie? Yeah, one of our favorite fans. Yeah, Jackie, she helps us put together the show notes and she's super badass. But I had this plan for like a month, two months in advance to go see my buddies. And I now have to do this now where I, because mine pump we're going so much and we have all it seems like there's always something either here or we gotta take off somewhere. I gotta set out these dates to make sure that I spend time with people that are really important to me. And this is a for sure challenge in my life that I'm trying to get better at because these are very, very important people in my life. And right now we are building probably one of the most important things I've ever built in my life. So it's definitely a challenge that I'm sure you guys even deal with family and friends. And so I've gotten good now about scheduling it way in advance. So this was booked like months in advance and all it was was just going out to see my buddies. But I do know that when I go out there that it could be drinking beer and soda and eating whatever. You know what you're in for. Yeah, so I decided like, okay, I'm gonna just like live off the green juice until I felt like I needed you. Did you introduce them to it? It's a good strategy. No, you know, something that I learned a long time ago with my best friends, stuff like that. They know me better than anybody. They know what I'm into. Neither one of them listened to the show or any of that stuff like that. They don't like my and pump Adam. They like Adam who they grew up with. And so I don't force any of my... They prefer we love to hate Adam. Yeah, no. That's a throwback. Shout out to the OGs. They prefer everything before all of that even. And so really when I go see them I try not to talk about the business or anything related to it, which unfortunately for me is healthy choices in food too, which kind of sucks because one of my best friends is, and I don't remember the disease that he has, but it's what affects his sleep. Oh, right, I remember you talking about that. It's that really rare case. It's super rare. And it's where people act out their dreams and stuff. And like 90% of the people that have that actually end up getting Parkinson's. And so I used to try and force feed information to him before and tell him to eat the certain way. That sucks man, you can't do it. No, you can't. You have to be willing to. Yeah, so I was like totally undercover drinking my green juice, shook it up and then go out to my car and put it together and then kind of sip on it while we're sitting there watching. Oh, shame. Yeah, right. So I did, I felt like that. I felt it was really a funny situation for me thinking like, but that's also me getting better at understanding boundaries with other people and what they want and they don't want. I think we get this question asked all the time on the forum like, how do you guys tell people that, you know that you're family and they just don't want to listen to this and they need help with that. And it's like, unfortunately, you can have all the answers and knowledge and experience and some of that. But if they're not ready to receive it and they don't want it from you, you're probably better off not force feeding it to them. And my best way is to show through my lifestyle, right? I talk about it once or twice and then I just demonstrate it. Right, yeah, right. That's to me and that's it, right? It's just as we continue to age, right? As we continue to age and they choose to golf and fish and become more sedentary and I continue to be more of an active lifestyle and stay strong and fit and take care of myself. All I can hope for is that they look to me for advice when eventually that time does come where it's like, hey, I need help with this and then I can introduce it. So no, I did not introduce the green. Are you guys still doing the Christmas blend with the green and red? So I am out of my red. I can't wait. I know you talked to Shauna, she's supposed to be sending us more of our stuff. So I am down to just my green and I was doing the Christmas blend, but I'm out of the red. So, but it's definitely, it's a lifesaver for me now. Like now that's like my go-to when I travel somewhere is I bring those, because I have the ready to go packets too, right? The little, you just tear them open and then throw them in like a water bottle and shake it up. So I, you know, Katrina's always got four or five in her purse. I've always got a few in my car for those exact situations where I was like, you know what? Like instead of, so the way I look at it is like when I'm in a place where, you know, there's gonna be a lot of choices to eat that probably are not ideal. And if I got something to drink that like that, that's what I like. It's got a good flavor to it. It's easy. It does satisfy me. And so I kind of use it like that to hold me over until later on until I can get my hands on something that's a little more balanced. Excellent. Bring it. This Quas brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organifi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. First up, Z-Strength Journey. What is the best course of action for someone who has to lose a lot of body fat? Cardio or no cardio? Ooh. This is a good question because... No. Yeah, I mean, for sure at first, no cardio. 100%. Like no doubt in my mind, I'm telling this person no cardio. What? I know, right? Just whoa, are you kidding me? More than likely, okay? And of course, there's always exceptions to the rule. Everyone is uniquely different, but more than likely, if this person has a lot of body fat to lose, they're probably not moving a whole lot, especially in comparison to what they're consuming. That's just how you got there. So we're talking about conventional cardio. We're not talking about like neat. No, yeah, absolutely, exactly. And that's what I would address. And so with someone like this, I would highly recommend a wearable tool or use your iPhone to kind of get an idea of your activity and movement in the day. And from there, I would make incremental goals and I typically use 10 to 20%. So let's just use hypothetical numbers. If you find out that you're only stepping 5,000 steps per day, which is pretty common to fall somewhere in that range, or lower, if that's where you're at, then I'm gonna take that number, 5%, multiply it by 20%, or 10%, depending on how sudden, and you know better than anybody else how sedentary you are, and I would incrementally move them every week up by 10 or 20% in steps. Most of the time with that, it's just not sitting down as much and watching TV or whatever it is. It just adds up and you don't realize it until you actually track that and measure it. And just so you get an idea to put that in perspective, if you're one of the average people in America, which only step about 4,000 or 5,000 steps, okay? It doesn't, that means all you gotta probably add is a 20 minute walk every day. That's it, that's all that person, I would start them off. It's just plenty when you're talking about people who need to lose 70, 80, 90 pounds. Or more. Or more, that's plenty of movement. The way I look at it when I get a client like this, or when I'm working with someone in this particular situation, is step one, I'm trying to improve their strength and mobility when I train them. Those are the focuses. Now, the reason why I'm trying to improve their strength is because I know that that's going to directly impact their metabolism in a way that's favorable based on according to the goal that we have, which is weight loss. I know if I can get their metabolic rate to increase in terms of how many calories they're burning, that's gonna help us in the long term. It's also, more than that though, it's going to protect us in the long term because when you're trying to lose a lot of weight, let's just say 80 pounds, because in fact, I think this guy actually said 80 pounds in his question. When you're trying to lose a lot of weight, you're looking at a long time of work. You're looking at losing 80 pounds over the course of seven to 12 months, probably a year. Remember, you didn't put the 80 pounds on overnight. So we're looking at about a year's worth of work to lose that 80 pounds. And what we don't want to happen over the course of that year is for you to lose the weight, but also slow your metabolism down. And I know that strength training, proper strength training is gonna speed up the metabolism or at least protect us from those adaptive effects where your body slows down because losing weight is not the hardest part about this. A lot of people think losing weight's the hardest part. It's not, it's keeping it off. Keeping it off is the hardest part of this entire scenario. So I'm trying to set us up for success in the future. Not just trying to get you to lose weight now, because really that's a simple formula. If that's all it was, it's a simple formula. Well, because if you do it too quickly, I mean, you're gonna get to that point where every little movement that you don't do throughout the day or one additional 200, 300 calorie amount is gonna affect your body dramatically. And so that's just something to consider. Like you're gonna be in a really fragile state that you've created because your entire focus was to just shed weight as quickly as possible. That's such a great way to put it. You do put yourself in a bad position where now you've lost the 80 pounds, but your metabolic rate has slowed down to the point where in order to keep it off, you have to maintain this really high level of activity and these low calories, which long term is very difficult to do, especially considering it's already a lifestyle change to begin with. So I wanna protect that by building strength. Now, as far as nutrition is concerned, and Adam has talked about this in the past, and I really, really like this concept in the sense that it's super effective. I've already been utilizing it with some of my own clients and it's just, it's something that I've done in the past with some clients not realizing really the structure behind it and Adam put it really eloquently in the past where you don't take anything away, you just add things. So when I'm looking at their diet, rather than saying, don't eat this, don't eat that, what I'm gonna say is, keep your nutrition how it is, don't change anything, except I want you to eat two large servings of vegetables every single day, or I want you to drink this much water every day or whatever. I'm just adding things to their diet and what that ends up doing is A, it gives them nutrient rich foods, which they may not have been getting. Number two, is it gonna help them eat less indirectly? It might, if this person never ate large servings of vegetables and now I'm directing them and saying, you have to eat two large servings a day, that may get them to eat less of other things. Plus they're gonna start, rather than having that negative connotation of taking things away. You're building a pallet for it too. Yeah, they're building a pallet for it. And somewhere along the way, I will start taking things away, but that's where I'll start them. So in terms of the best course of action, that's where you wanna start. And even when you take things away, you're more, it actually starts like, or for me it starts like this, it's first I add things that I know that their body is missing. And normally just like Sal said, it's somewhere in those lines of adding vegetables or adding fiber into the diet or getting healthy fats in the diet, or even sometimes protein, because some of my females under consume protein. So whatever it is I'm going to add. And then after I add, even before I like completely take away, I exchange. So now then the next step, normally as sugar is normally grossly over consumed by almost everybody, most people are consuming well over 50 grams of sugar a day, which is more than enough for everybody. And so normally what I do is have them exchange some of that. Well, now instead of us getting 150 grams of sugar, get rid of 50 grams of sugar, but now let's have some fat instead. So they're actually getting just as many calories as that they were getting before, you're just helping them make better choices so they're not starving the body. Between coupling that with increasing your steps by 10%, which is literally if you took 5,000, that means you're only adding 500 steps more per day, which is literally like I said, a 20 minute walk or less. And then on top of that, adding three days of strength training a week. Oh man, talk about setting yourself up for long-term success. Like that is how you start off on your journey. That's the formula. So now let's talk about what not to do. Here's what you don't do. Watch Biggest Loser. Yeah. You don't go. Become Jared from Subway. I want to lose 80 pounds. So I'm gonna go on a. For more than one reasons. You don't want to go on a 1200 calorie diet. You don't want to all of a sudden include 30 minutes of cardio every single day. You don't want to start restricting things right off the bat because again, you are setting yourself up for so much failure in the future that your chance of long-term success has become slim to none. So do the things that we said in terms of the course of action, get stronger, add things to your diet, slowly progress yourself, increase activity through just your regular movement and you'll have a better chance of success. This question makes me wonder how many actual people that we have that need to lose more than 50 pounds or more. It'd be interesting to create some sort of a group or figure out how many people that we have in this exact same boat. It'd be very interesting. I think it's a small but decent percent but I also think we have a lot of trainers that listen to us. Oh yeah, they have clients that are dealing with this. Because this is a tough one to coach. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like what do you do like? Because the urgency is there, right? Yeah. Especially as the coach, you want to provide the results. You want them to happen and you want them to be happy with it so they keep continuing along that process but it's a fine line because if they really get into it, they can start like overdoing it with the exercise. They can start starving themselves significantly. I've had clients in that state of mind where you really had to kind of rein them back in and let them understand that simple fact that we're setting ourselves up long term not for this short term like what I look like in the mirror. Well, especially with really overweight people because they'll see the greatest change at first. Exactly. Like somebody who's creating, someone who's 80 pounds overweight consuming arguably somewhere between three to 6,000 calories a day, if they cut their calories in half, start running or getting on a treadmill and moving. Dude, they'll lose like 15, 20 pounds in a week. So you try and tell somebody like that that, hey, you're doing this all wrong. They're gonna look at you and be like, fuck you, I'm down 15 pounds, I know what I'm doing. But they have no idea what they're setting themselves up for. It's funny, I used to pride myself when I was a trainer in the early days, long time ago, where I would pride myself on my ability to motivate people to work hard. So I would get these clients and they would lose weight and they'd keep it off as long as they were with me because I was such a good motivator. But what really, where I really learned my lesson with this is where I went into management, didn't train these clients anymore. And then I'd run into them two years later, three years later, and they're back to where they were before or worse. And it was a reality check. Like I didn't help them and it wasn't because they're lazy. It's because it was all based on this external motivation of me getting them to that space and what happens when they don't have that. And it's gonna last forever. All right, our next question is from Ryan Jason Baxter. With all the talk about cardio ruining metabolism, how would an endurance athlete go about avoiding this? I am so glad that he asked this question in that way because I wanna correct him, okay? So he's asking about why, about cardio ruining his metabolism. And he's an endurance athlete, so what's he supposed to do? So I wanna be clear here. It's not ruining your metabolism. Your metabolism is doing exactly what it's supposed to. It's managing what you're doing. It's just adapting. And if you're an endurance athlete, you want your body to become more efficient with its calories. So as an endurance athlete, is your metabolism gonna slow down because of all the cardio and endurance training you're doing? Yes. Is that a bad thing? Depends on the context. If your goal is to lose weight, keep it off long-term for the rest of your life and be able to eat more food, then yeah, it's probably not a good thing. If your goal is to be a more effective endurance athlete, be able to run farther, faster with your marathons or your iron manner. Yeah, you wanna manage all your reserves. It's a good thing. You don't want an inefficient, you don't want a body that burns a shit ton of calories and then go run a marathon because then you're gonna fuck yourself. You're gonna bonk. You're absolutely gonna fuck yourself. So keep that in mind when you're training for a specific goal that it may be counter to what may be a good thing for your lifestyle or for long-term longevity. Well, it's, again, I like to talk about this with sports in general, like somewhere, and I don't know where we made this connection that like sports with health. Yes, it couldn't be further from the truth. Exactly. There is nothing, well, I shouldn't say nothing. There is very little that is healthy for us that is connected to sports. With that high level of culture. And I know that that's gonna ruffle some feathers, me saying that because I know there's a lot of people that are in good shape that play sports. It's like being good at a sport means that you've practiced the same movements over and over. Your body's become very efficient at utilizing the food that you're feeding it, which is the opposite for someone who's trying to change their physique. But that's not your goal. Like if your goal is to be an endurance athlete, nothing is wrong with that. You're an athlete, you wanna be good at that. You're not trying to change that. You're not trying to fuck with your metabolism. You're trying to work with it in order to be better at your sport. But where people get caught up is when they think that their sport is a good way for them to be in shape. That's where we go wrong. When you go like, hey, I'm gonna sign up for this obstacle course race because I wanna get in shape. Bad idea. I'm just gonna play basketball. Bad idea. Yes, I love basketball. I'm gonna play basketball to stay in shape. Bad idea. And by bad, it doesn't mean that it can't work. Doesn't mean that you can't play basketball and have some shape to you. It's that it's not the most efficient way. You'll stay looking like that. It's not the most efficient way for you to get in shape, which is the reason why you see a lot of weekend warrior basketball guys and athletes and people that do that that they don't look great physically and so at that because their body's so efficient at it. So let me give an example of what Adam's talking about. Okay, let's say you're a marathon runner. Let's say you're a high level marathon runner. You run incredibly fast. You can run long distances and you think you're in shape. Like I'm in shape because I can do this. Take that same athlete and put them on a football field. They're gonna get their ass kicked. Does that mean they're not in shape? For football, they're not in shape. Yeah, right. It's a different type of shape. That's right. So performance is one thing. Health and fitness are, is a separate thing. They can mesh. There is crossover, but one does not necessarily mean the other. And the higher you go level wise, the further those can become a part. Correct. So you can definitely, and I was just talking to Katrina the other day about wanting to pick the basketball back up and start to play a little bit. And I might. I might play two to three times a week intermittently with my weight training and it be a way for me to burn some extra calories, play a little ball because I love to. Totally different. Now if I said, you know what? I'm gonna get, I'm gonna make a run at this maybe going pro thing. Like I've been told I'm pretty damn good at this. And I'm gonna dedicate myself to becoming a great basketball player. That directly conflicts. Now you're gonna start making compromises. Right. That directly conflicts with my long-term health goals and strength goals and aesthetic goals. Those are not, they do not align with each other. Can they mesh? Yes. But there's a give and take relationship that happens here. Sports are not the best way for us to get in shape. It does not mean that I'm telling people you can't have an obstacle course race in your life. It doesn't mean you can't run a marathon every now and then totally okay. But if you're- Well it's the expression of your peak performance. And so if you're always trying to achieve peak performance every single time, like your body, like it's just gonna try to make that more efficient somehow. And so, you know, it's gonna affect your performance. I mean, if this is your only goal is to get in shape by like, you know, challenge your body at its highest capacity, where do you go from there? Right. You know, it's tough to maintain. And I want to be clear, like there's nothing wrong with endurance. I know sometimes we come across as like- Anti-cardia. Yeah, no. There's nothing wrong with endurance. It is important. It is, you know, being healthy means- People really enjoy it. Being healthy means you have a certain level of endurance. But when we look at the context of modern life, okay? If we look at modern life, what are the problems that modern life present us with in terms of for our health? So one of the problems is there's easy availability of food, especially highly palatable food. So food that tastes really good. And our daily life is pretty sedentary. So we have this problem of not burning a lot of calories and eating a lot of calories. And the reason why, one of the reasons, because there's other reasons, but one of the reasons why we like resistance training so much is because in the context of modern life, it's the best form of exercise. It speeds up your metabolism. Endurance training doesn't, endurance training doesn't speed up your metabolism. Only resistance training does. So when you're looking at, again, in the context of modern life, resistance training speeds up the metabolism. It'll directly combat the problems that you're gonna have with modern life. Don't you guys find it funny how some sports that we, people have a really easy time connecting this and other sports, people just are in total denial about, for example. We all know that training for a boxing match or an MMA match can be really healthy. Someone can get in great shape, running, boxing, getting, doing all these ab exercises, like lots of great benefit. The moment they step in a ring and they start fighting and they're getting punched in the face, everybody can all agree that probably not the healthiest thing for a body, right? It's obvious, same thing for football. Football, you train like crazy, you do all this great cardio exercise, strength training, so that all pretty good for the body. Get inside, you start slamming helmets into each other. Probably not the best thing for the brain, right? So, but then also when we talk about running, when we talk about maybe soccer or basketball or something like that, like all of a sudden we lose this connection that maybe that's not the, I mean, what happens to your joints long term? What happens to your skin? What's going on when we push the body and we stress it all the time like this in the sport? It's not ideal for the body. Why do we have to deny that? And it's okay, okay? I did one that I think is one of the worst sports for people, which is bodybuilding. Like I could totally connect and relate to people that love to do these things. But the reason why you don't see me in the circuit still because I never really cared about the sport that much, I totally recognize that I was not the healthiest I was in my entire life. Sure, my body looked really cool, it looked really fit like I was really healthy, but I know damn well that the amount of time and volume, the amount of hammering the weights that I was doing, the extreme dieting that I was doing, the supplements, the steroids, all the things that I'm taking to look like this and be like, fucking hey, that ain't healthy for my body, that would be so naive for me to think that way just because physically, just because I look on the outside, fitter than what maybe I look like right now. It's no different than the person who's way out of shape and decides to pick up a sport, like marathon, endurance, OCR, or any other fucking sport for that matter, and they're looking at themselves and they go, well I'm in the best shape of my life playing this sport, that doesn't mean that it was the best path for your body. Right, right, that's still the pervading like shared thought process everybody has because it is, it's so visible. You know, a lot of these sports bring out like such an impressive aesthetic physique to go with it, but they don't really realize how much it's taking away from health. Do you know how many of these high level female athletes, especially in endurance sports or OCR sports or CrossFit, do you know how many of them are young who just don't even have a period anymore? Their bodies don't even operate or function normally anymore because they've pushed themselves the limit, they're able to perform at a very high level, but that's a very clear sign that's probably not the best for you health-wise. Yeah, but I do wanna say, if you aren't an endurance athlete, yes, you have to train for endurance, which means you're gonna have to do lots of endurance training. So if you wanna be the best at endurance, yeah. You gotta train a lot. I think there's nothing wrong with that. It's fine, you know, for sure, Justin and I played a lot of sports growing up. Yeah, I wouldn't give that up for the world, you know, but because it taught me a lot of life lessons and everything else that sports provide, but you know, yeah, just know that, you know, have that mentality where, yeah, this is something that I'm experiencing right now, but there's ways that I can optimize my health in a better direction. Trisha Paich is asking when we're coming out with the updated nutrition survival guide. She is a former figure competitor and wants help with nutrition. So the rest of the question, I read the whole thing and she wanted help with counting calories and macros and she wanted specifics. And so two things. First off, the new nutrition guide is coming out soon, which will be really soon. That was nice of you to pick that. We normally avoid questions where people ask specific things about themselves. Yeah. So she, so it's gonna be coming out soon. It is not gonna give you specific. Yeah. It's not gonna give you specifics. We got rid of the macro counters. No, it's not gonna give you macros and. That's half the problem. That's right. That's right. That's half the, especially. There's free apps. I really love that we did that by the way. Especially for somebody who comes from the world that I come from, which is the. That's why I picked this question. The competitor, Bikini and bodybuilding world is like, you know, part of our problem is our addiction to counting and needing to know exactly where the macro, you've already proven you've done it. If you've competed, you've proven to yourself. Especially figure that you shredded. Right, right. If you've done this, you've already proven to yourself, you can weigh and count food. So, and if you feel like you need help with your nutrition, well, that's probably part of the help is getting away from actually having to do those things to be able to connect to your body and be able to read the signals that it's probably already given you. Now that being said, you know, it doesn't mean that I don't think that you should track. I don't think you should. So that's an important part. I don't think you should follow somebody else's prescription for your body. I think you should track your food while you're following some of the principles that you're gonna find out when you get the nutrition guide that's coming out, which doesn't tell you to count or do anything like that. But you can track your progress that was to help better connect you to some of the things that are happening. Like, oh, wow, look, when I eat X amount of grams of carbohydrates, this is the way my body responds. I notice I get inflamed. I notice I feel lethargic. I notice my sleeps off, whatever. Oh, wow, when I increase my fats by this many grams and reduce this by this much, I notice that, right? So you're just paying extra close attention to all the body signals and just understanding what those signals are and how to interpret them better and then how to alter that for a better result. So the nutrition guide that's coming out talks a lot about intuitive eating. It talks about the concept, what it means, the signals to look for, but it also gives you techniques that you can utilize to get yourself to the point where you can become more and more intuitive with your eating. And I wanna be clear when I say that, becoming more and more intuitive because it's not when you become intuitive. There is no, and it's not like as goal, like, oh, I'm intuitive, now I'm an intuitive eater. It is a process, but there are techniques in there and counting and tracking is one of the techniques, but there's many others in there. And typically the way I coach people through this process and that's what you're gonna find in this guide is techniques and kind of a step-by-step process to get you there, is typically I'll take someone and I'll have them, I'll start adding certain foods to their nutrition, tell them to start to target certain things. I'll have them track their food, but only so that we know where they're at. Right. Just so I know how many grams of food. It's a point of reference. Yeah, point of reference. Then we'll start to manipulate things a little bit, but really I'll start to manipulate things so that I can show them that we can get their body to change. And also because I like to undulate. I like to give them some days where there's low carb, some days where there's high fat, some days where there's vegan, because now we can start to tease out how the body's reacting to all of these different things. And then the next step is either I have them try a fast to kind of break the chains of food and feel what real hunger is and learn those signals. I'll have them do maybe elimination diet if we're having more gut issues. And then we slowly start to implement intuitive days. But here's an important thing to consider when you're doing your intuitive days, when you're tracking your food, is it many times initially turns into cheat days. This is what happens. I'll have clients that I'll have them track and then I'll be like, okay, two days a week now, I want you to eat intuitively, pay attention to how you feel, still write down what you're eating so we can pay attention, but don't aim for anything, just kind of eat based off your body signals. And inevitably it turns into a cheat day because you went from tracking to not tracking. So it feels like I can just eat whatever I want. And when that starts happening too much, then we go back to tracking. It's this kind of back and forth between the two, but until we get to the point where we can become more intuitive. But this guide that's coming out is really focused on that. The goal of it is to give people a guide to help them get to the point where they don't have to track and count where they can just eat and eat in a way that the side effect is their body is naturally lean, naturally healthy. And it's not something that they have to sit there and add and count things up. It'll be out this week and also shameless plug right here because I think this is for this person, if you're not already in our private forum, this is definitely a place that I highly recommend you go. We have people that have competed and literally are in sounds like the same boat that you will currently are in right now. We have lots of people that are going through it still. I've been through it for a long time ago. We have eating disorders. We have all kinds of stuff that are of people inside that forum, including doctors, nurses, trainers, all kinds of professionals. And if you post something like this question up there, you'll be blown away by how fast you get a response and other people that have been here and have all kinds of great tips. So alongside with the guide, I highly recommend the forum for these reasons. For sure, and we haven't talked about the forum in a long time, but the three of us are in there on a daily basis, not on top of all the other people that are helping each other out. So between the guide and the guidance that you would get inside the forum, I think you're gonna be just fine. Definitely. Next up is Callie Johnny. How does entrepreneurship affect your romantic relationships and how do you find balance between the two? Oh, wow. That's a hard question. Show you like that one. Hit me right in the dick on that one. You wanna go first? Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's because of the fact that when you're an entrepreneur, you can't just leave work at work, right? You're gonna bring it home with you. This is a fact. This is something that, whether it's inside your head as you're operating throughout your day or you're cleaning your house or you're doing things with your family or your significant other, inevitably there's gonna be some kind of something, like some issue or maybe it's something good, but it's like your mind is very focused because it has to be, like there's all these things I need to consider when creating a business or operating a business. And so it creates conflict sometimes because there's urgency and there's a lot of things that you wanna accomplish and you have to just be very good at communicating with your significant other and make sure that they know, for me, a lot of times it feels like I'm just ignoring, ignoring them and that's something that I have to address right away and be like, look, right now, what I'm doing is this and I have to explain exactly what I'm doing and then understand that I need to remove myself for a bit and spend that quality time with my family. So it's hard, man. You have to just start to understand what it takes to keep going forward with your business, but then set boundaries and figure those boundaries out and express those boundaries to your significant other and then you guys are on the same page and understanding, like, okay, this time right now, that's why I set up an office. That was one of the best things I ever did because I just told- I don't know you had an office? Yeah, I told him, and this is like this year I did that purposefully because- I follow you on Instagram, so I knew that. You knew that? Yeah, thanks, Adam. I like all your pictures still. But you're my friend. I do, I like them all. You just like real, like in your feed, you just like like, you just even look at it. It's terrible, whatever. I read your stuff, Justin. Yeah, man, you know, it's like that really helped because I could just walk downstairs and I go in my office and I'm like, okay, let me know, you know, when I need to come up and you know, when's dinner or when are we like tackling the house and cleaning or you know, what's the boy's schedule? You know, this and that. But I would have designated hours where I'm just in there in the office now. So that's helped a lot. What about you, Sal? Well- Or Adam? You know, it's funny because I haven't worked for anybody for, let's see, since I was 22. So it's been a long time. It's been 16 years since I've ever worked for anybody. And I was just thinking about this the other day, I was having a conversation on entrepreneurship and I had to really kind of think back to what it was like to have a boss and to ask them, you know, if I can go on this trip or if I can do this or I have this idea. Yeah, you're like getting permission. Yeah, it was really weird and I kind of consider myself unemployable now almost. I don't know how, I don't know if it'd be- Well, I totally get you, bro. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how hard it would be really hard. I'd be a terrible employee. For me to work for someone today. So it's almost like, you know, with my girlfriend, it would probably be worse for her if I worked for someone then working for myself because it would suck so bad that it would probably affect my relationship worse. You know what I'm saying? And I love what we do so much and I have a better balance now than I used to. In the past, I would absorb myself so much all the time that I would be oblivious to kind of what was going on around me, like if my kids were sitting next to me watching TV or cartoons, then I thought I would use that as an opportunity to work because they're already occupied. Yeah, they're zoning out, so I'm gonna zone out. So now I'm gonna zone out, so then everybody's just in their own world. And what I do now is I have set times that I work. So when I have my kids with me, so I have dual custody of my kids, so I get them 50% of the time. So when I have them, on the days I pick them up from school, I'll pick them up. When they're doing their homework, I'll do some work. So that usually gives me about 30 minutes. Then it's when they go to bed. So my daughter goes to bed at 8.30. That's when I spend time with just me and my son. Me and him hang out together until about 9.15. He goes to bed. Then I give myself 45 minutes to an hour to do my work if I have work to do. And I'll sit there and I'll make the time to do my work. In between, I'll check my phone once an hour is what I give myself, because I have to check the form and stuff like that, but I try not to spend too much time. I have to almost regulate it, otherwise I can get lost in it. And that's probably what you, as an entrepreneur, especially if you're a successful one or you've been an entrepreneur for a long time, you probably love what you do so much that it can totally take over. Bleeds through everything. So I would say just set yourself parameters and stick to those parameters. Otherwise it's gonna start to, everything starts to kind of melt together. I have a few thoughts on that though. And I think early on when the girls that I dated in my early 20s because of my neurotic personality when it comes to building a business and being an entrepreneur, I'm sure I drove most, if not all of them away at one point. And I'm actually totally okay with that. It taught me a lot of- I don't want you anyway. Well, what I realized was this and now that Katrina and I had been together for over six years before Katrina the longest relationship I ever had was two years and before that was like nine months was like the top. Like most girls couldn't handle me longer than nine months. And I'm okay with that because what I realized during that time was that this was definitely who I am and something very important to me. It was very important to me that I built my dreams and then I went after them. And if I was in a relationship that I felt like was taking away from my dreams because I was so concerned about giving them the time they needed that I wasn't happy with myself. And that's typically what would happen. I find myself in this predicament that we're talking about right now. And I'd be like, oh, shit. I mean, she's complaining because I'm doing this. I'm not spending time here on this and that. And then it would be just like, and then I would see the business start to fall apart because I'm trying to, because I'm trying to spend more time over here than I realized like, fuck, this isn't working. And this is so, like that was ingrained in me. That was so important to me. It's so important to me that I get to a certain point or I build this thing. And so I realized like, okay, this wasn't the right woman for me. And that was kind of this pattern that I was always in. And now being with Katrina and how long we've been together now, I realized that I'm okay with that. And that was an important process for me to go through in my 20s because the woman that settled me down completely was the one that actually enhanced all this process and helped me find balance in my life. And I've accomplished more. I've built more. I've been more successful in the last six years with her than I ever had with any other woman. And she, and on top of that, she gets more of my time than any other woman that I've ever been with. And a lot of that I attribute to her helping me and teaching me and aiding me in finding balance in my life. She, for this weekend, it's a perfect example. I just talked earlier in the episode about going to see my best friends. She knows how important that is to my overall health and well-being. Those people are like family to me. And when I don't see them for a long period of time, which can happen to me because I'm so driven, I suffer, I become irritable. It's like I need that time. Just like if you guys were taken away from your kids for a long period of time, how irritable you guys probably get and how frustrating it is and how you know you need that time. So she recognizes that in me. And instead of fighting for my time and making me feel guilty for not giving her enough time, she helps me organize a lot of these things. So it was her who booked this weekend for me to take off to my friends. I had nothing to do with it. She just knows how important it is. She knows my schedule better than anybody else. And then she puts that in there. So she's helped teach me how to do that. And then I've also going to piggyback you off of what Justin said, as far as creating kind of these boundaries and things. Well, I've learned and I feel like an old man saying this. I hate this saying this, but we have to schedule. We schedule time for each other. And we have certain rules. It's funny that people even think that's ridiculous. You schedule everything else. It's so important. Oh my God. Yeah, and I don't think I would have realized that until I got into my 30s and life became so busy and things like that. I would have never thought that I had to schedule romantic time with my girls. And it's not like romantic time. We don't quote unquote, we don't say that. It just turns into that knowing each other typically. Babe, I got that four o'clock blow job schedule. Make sure you, right? Right. It doesn't look like that. But what I found is that when we stick to some of our rules and for example, here's a couple of things that we do. So one of those is the turning of the electronics off by seven o'clock, right? That allows her and I. No more electronical. Right, no more electronicals past seven p.m. So from seven p.m. till 10 or 11, which is normally what time we fall asleep, you know, it's her and I. Whether we're watching a show of ours or reading a book together or just conversing with each other, that just setting those rules and boundaries automatically has created a stronger relationship. Then on top of that, not a week goes by that Katrina and I do not have a date night. Most weeks we have multiple date nights. We make time for each other. And I have found that once we implemented that into our relationship that hey, you know, Friday or Sunday, whatever, it doesn't fucking matter what day it is. That's our day together. That's our night together no matter what. The rest of the world fucking shuts down. We're not connected to anybody else. We're only connected to each other for that night. And it's normally a sushi night or something like that. We go out to dinner or watch a movie of ours or again, come back and read a book that we enjoy. But once we made that a habit and a routine, it became very natural for us. We always stay connected. And then we built upon it, you know, that we end up having other nights where we're doing nothing has connected me more though in the last 30-something years than the reading together. And I know I've dropped that on this podcast more than once and I cannot stress it enough what a game changer. You guys are learning together. That's what it is. It's not necessarily even the reading. No, it's just a way of doing it. 100%, 100% that's exactly what it is. And we're not just so people know, we're not literally like passing a book back and forth or reading to each other, even though you could do that. We're listening to an audio book together. So it's just us sitting in a room together, listening to something that neither one of us have ever heard before, that is typically empowering or bettering us somehow. And then it creates dialogue. Many times we only listen for like 20 minutes because if there's something really cool that the book talks about, we'll normally pause it. And then all of a sudden it creates dialogue between her and I for the next two hours. And then it eventually leads to incredible sex. And it's just like this natural progression that nothing's forced about it. But if it wasn't for us scheduling that. And so for us, we set a goal at the beginning of the year. Many of you that have been listening to the podcast for a long time know that I set a one book a month goal. And she set the same goal for herself. So together we read and then in addition, I'm reading on my own, but I know for sure that at the bare minimum, her and I are going to accomplish a book a month. And when we set that simple goal, it then holds us accountable to a minimum of one day a week that we have to put in about an hour or two of reading and that knocks out about a book. So, I thought that all the way through when I set that goal for us and it's done incredible things for our relationship. And it's just as simple as scheduling that time out for us to do something together. And like you said, Sal, learning together promotes this growth in our relationship that's incredible. And it's been a game changer for me. Yeah, I think too with like the experiences I remember that reminds me of when Courtney and I, we were both learning music together. She learned piano, I was trying to enhance my guitar and we would go to the same teacher. Like it was a husband and a wife combo. And so she would go with the wife, I go to the husband, we would both kind of learn. And then it all built up to like a piece, like we would play it together. And like she had never learned piano before. And so it was just a very, very cool thing that we would, you know, we kind of had that and it was something that we could talk about. It was something that, you know, we shared experience with, but yeah, you're right. It's a very powerful thing to, you know, if that's something where relationship-wise, you know, you might feel like a lull, you know, look into that, look into reading together, look into, you know, experiencing something for the first time. And that helps your entrepreneurship even. I mean, you're learning something cool. Oh, oh. It could help you on that side. Every, like Katrina and I are, I mean like we're doing Blue Ocean strategy right now. It's 100% business. Every book that we read, either one, is bettering us business-wise, relationship-wise, leadership-wise. I mean, everything. So the business or personal growth? Yeah, but yeah, it's all growth related. And I love, and we've now been doing it long enough too, that we will definitely, we'll read books that challenge both of our philosophies and ideologies too, which is fucking really cool, you know. So when you get to the next level with your partner and so that, try reading some shit that maybe you both, one of you thinks one way and the other one thinks the other way and you read that shit and then watch the dialogue that happens between that. Talk about a really, really cool scenario. I thought that we just recently, a couple of books ago, we read Sex at Dawn. And a very, very polarizing type of book and definitely challenges a lot of the way we've thought for many, many years. So, you know, when she thinks one way, I think another way. But at the end of the day, it's not about one of us being right or wrong. It's about us both sharing our feelings and our thoughts. And, you know, we both learn new things about each other, about what makes me tick and think this way and what makes her tick and think that way. Oh, absolutely. So I can't stress that enough. And it will bleed into your entrepreneurship. And it also, I think if you're somebody who is very, very passionate about building businesses and things like that, like myself, you know, it will weed out all the other girls or guys, I don't know if there's a guy or a girl asking this question, it'll weed out the opposite sex that has no business being there with you anyways. And you'll eventually get to the one that is like you or cares about similar things for sure. Excellent. Check it out. Go to YouTube, subscribe to Mind Pump TV. You gotta see the video we just posted. Holy cow. Hold your pants on. 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