 Yn ymdeg, ddwy'n ddweud i'r ffordd, a ddwy'n ddweud i'r ffordd. Rwy'n ddweud y gweithio'r meddwl mewn cyfnodol. Yn ymdeg, rwy'n ddweud Paul Edward yn 1980, ac yw Williamson Nessie yn 1991. Yn ymdeg, rydyn ni'n ddweud y ffordd, ond mae'r meddwl yw'n ddweud yng nghymru sy'n ddweud yng Nghymru'r meddwl. Rydyn ni'n gyntaf i'r cwyt ar y Nesaf, sydd yn ddweud y meddwl mewn meddwl wedi'u gweld yn ymddangos i'r cyhoedd. Mae'r ysgol yn ymddangos i'r meddwl mewn meddwl. Mae'r ysgol yn ymddangos i'r meddwl. ond mae'n gweithio'n ddweud yn dweud. Yn ymddorol o'r ddwyledig, ymddorol mewn meddwl? Mae'n ddweud y cwestiynau o genetig ar y syniad? Mae'r ddweud yn ymddorol. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddwyledig o'r genetig. Mae'n ddweud. Ond mae'n gweithio'n gweithio, ond mae'r cwmpod yn ymddangos, a mae'r ddysgu, yw'r ddysgu'r ymddangos yn ymddangos. Mae'r ddysgu'r ddysgu'r cyfnodd yn ymddangos yn ymddangos yma, oedd y cyfrifeddau hwnnw, o'r ddysgu'r cyfrifeddau hwnnw, ac ymdyn nhw'n ddysgu'r cyfrifeddau hwnnw, o'r cyfrifeddau hwnnw, Mae'r llwyddoedd yn ymgyrchol 32. Mae'n ddod yn ddod yn ymgyrchol yma'r cyfnodd yma. Felly, yma'r llwyddoedd yr arddangos. Yn y US, mae'r ymddi Edward Angle, mae'r llwyddoedd yma'r llwyddoedd, mae'r llwyddoedd yma'r llwyddoedd ar gyfer y brasau. Mae'n ddod yn ymgyrchol yma'r llwyddoedd. Mae'r llwyddoedd yma'r llwyddoedd yma'r llwyddoedd ac mae'n gwybod i'r Ysgol, yng Nghymru, yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch gweithio cyflog. Dyma ymweld yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch ychydig o'r cyflog a'r llyff ymgyrch o'r cyflog o'r cyflog. A oedd ydych chi'n gweithio ymgyrch yn ymgyrch o'r cyflog o'r cyflog, mae'n gwybod i'r llyff, mae'n gwybod i'r llyff, Felly, cyflogwyr y flwyddyn yng Nghymru yn y troi'r cynllunio, da fynd i'n dweud felly. Dyna ni i ddweud y bwysig o'r fathau wedi'u cyflogwyr ac yn dod yn Cadwydrwyrestu'r cyflogwyr ar yr yspargwyr. Ond mae dyna, dyna ei ddefnyddio a'r byddur fyddio angen o bwysig, a'r pethau yn bywyd i'r pelynydd, ond mae'n bywyd ei awddiad o'r bydd. Rydyn ni'n cael ei fyddion'i rhanion, model use fixed braces and now fixed braces or the evolution from the e-arch is almost universal and you will struggle to find anyone using a Frankel o plans and yet one is treating the causes the other is treating the symptoms and I would go beyond these appliances but these are a good representation so the problem we are lazy no one wants to change now I've been asking the question why it does not make me popular within my profession but I really want to look at the evidence base with fresh eyes and within my profession we really don't understand the etiology of the problem it's well known within my profession that there's no real understanding of why teeth are crooked there's no real understanding of the epidemiology of this problem I'm concerned that the diagnosis we make in my profession is literally a description of what's evidently seen it's nothing to do with the cause is not a diagnosis in the truest sense of the word we don't understand the pathology there are far too many types of treatment try getting a diagnosis or an opinion from several different orthodontists I would highly recommend it from anyone thinking of having treatment and of course there's no cure we're recommending permanent retention now when I look at the etiology the cause the factors that seem most pressing is the change in the masticatory effort and the change in oral posture so we know that we've moved from a very hard tough low calorie diet to a very soft high calorie diet of course the wear on teeth are good indicators of that well we know that muscle weakness diseases can lead to change in facial form the individual going back the individual here on the right has muscular dystrophy her teeth are in contact but there's a gross deformation in form just because there's change in the muscle usage now here is a template of a modern norm and that brings another problem with an orthodontics is the normative data stems from the middle of the last century the 1900s now if this is an evolutionary mismatch related to our lifestyle changes normative data from the middle of the last century is going to confound our understanding of the disease process and is one of the problems of course late onset muscle weakness can cause a problem yet he's already grown so when he changed now cannot be genetic and unilateral muscle weakness on people who have already grown their genetics have played out and changes of course in breathing or oral posture i've gone through this before i have many presentations that can be accessed on this and effectively if you have good muscle usage and you have your tongue on the roof of the mouth you will have good growth patterns and if you hang your mouth open with a low tongue posture and you have weak muscle usage or less muscle usage your face will grow down and reform to protect your airway this is not a new revelation this seems to fit with all of the scientific evidence and of course as your face gets longer the cross-sectional area is reduced and you will make compensations to maintain an open airway and i feel that genetics may play a role but it's more likely to be evidence that is what the hard so genetics is more likely to be secondary that is what the hard evidence would support and i've put forward the concept of craniofacial dystrophy saying effectively if the face is not the right shape then it does not function correctly and here's a group of problems that as general we treat symptomatically and we don't understand the causes that seem to be related the most important clearly is probably sleep apnea but this is pretty well evidence based i would struggle to prove this but you couldn't disprove it and i worry the prove it mentality has once again become too prevalent in medicine now i want to put some cases in to make sort of a realistic understanding of what we're trying to do here's a boy with i worked hard with and i've overlaid his photographs so you can understand the type of changes we're trying to get here now that was five years of hard work his teeth are not perfectly straight i'm not going to pass a board exam orthodontist would look at this and say well that's not a very good job but he's straightened his own teeth he's done it and if he's done it they're likely to stay straight it's also been economic disaster five years of treatment well it's difficult to charge people and the amount of time i spend with people so who makes money the lipo surgeon or the dietician and this is one of the crux problems because who's making the real health game because one of them's driving a Ferrari the other one's driving a bicycle one of them's on the committee meetings at the hospital the other one probably doesn't know when the meetings are going to happen and that's one of the crux problems with how our health care system has played out fixing things makes money now i'm also concerned with what we refer to within orthodontics as unfavorable facial growth well it's considered that this is genetic it's considered that orthodontic problems are genetic yet what i see when i look at any controlled study where their controls and where they're orthodontically treated samples the facial length always increases in the orthodontically treated samples so an element of this always happens so there was is some downswing in facial form from affecting people from trying to move the teeth straight making the teeth straight and that worries me because it worries me about the health effects that could happen my father raised his fears in a program in the uk called dispatches in 1998 and suffered for the consequences of raising his fears he never had any form of intellectual dialogue on his fears now i was a wonder about other iatrogenic effects from trying to move teeth such as root resorption you see the tips of these teeth have been affected and of course we are asking people to wear retainers for the rest of their lives so we're holding the teeth straight because the causes haven't been affected because the causes haven't been affected teeth still tend to move and i worry about holding teeth out of their balance zone because you can hold the teeth out of the balance zone you can't hold the bone the gums and the supporting tissue out of the balance zone and in modern societies we tend to head south as we get older i don't think this happened to our ancestors but it does now and if you're going to head south but you're going to hold your teeth in a predetermined position eventually the teeth are going to stop bulging out of the bone and you will lose the roots you'll lose the bone around the teeth and if you are predisposed to gum disease that's going to be a catastrophe i also see many people who don't have teeth extracted who have their arches widened and i think they're going to be even more susceptible but that cohort have not run through the system yet remember we've only been doing mass orthodontics for about 35 years we have yet to see the long-term effects of all of this and of course then there is relapse you don't wear your retainer it's going to relapse this individual is missing his wisdom teeth is missing a premola and the teeth are crowded again you know there's eight teeth down and you've got crowding and what's the solution take some more teeth out remember all our ancestors had all of their teeth and usually a good five to 10 millimeters behind the wisdom teeth they was dramatically different skull forms than most people alive today it's interesting walking around the campus here i see so many people with smiles that i know don't match their faces and i'm sure they're wearing retainers every night with holding their teeth out of their balance zone and they have no idea what potential damage that could cause or what they could do about it they just don't have this knowledge this information so this is what i showed you earlier on i won't go into details i refer to as an mfo so how i overlay faces so i get a better understanding you can't do x-rays all the time and i think i worry about the value of x-rays photographs i think are more accurate and so flicking through her facial forms i think we've got a reasonable change in her growth pattern over time but that has taken me a long time i was a very involved treatment you know it's taken me 10 years of my time on with her you know i can't charge a commensurate fee for the time it takes me to do that but i think the health gains are added her to her a large is more than just straight teeth but there are certain scientific blockages that i think i see in the system i think that many people are looking at what i'm doing and it's saying we're just making pretty faces you know we're not doing health this is more in the region of plastic surgery you know medicine should be about making people healthier not more beautiful and yet you know what is beauty saying that beauty our appreciation of beauty is influenced by what we perceive as healthy and in many ways i believe i'm making people healthy it's perceived as beauty and it's interesting that there are no known or recognized health benefits that i know of from orthodontics apart from aesthetic improvement so in a way aesthetic improvement of the face or aesthetic improvement of the teeth is the focus of what i do or conventional orthodontics second it's a motive talking about anyone's face is an emotive issue people often don't want to talk about it and of course we've got business models and profit making teeth straight has become a very effective business model of course that discussion of the genes or the environment means that if it's genetic i'm wrong and if it's predominantly environment then modern orthodontics may be wrong it's not a additive idea it's an either or idea so it's a competitive process i'm right or they're right we it's going to difficult for both people to be right and then the legacy if the way we've been approaching malocclusion crooked teeth has been wrong well i would imagine many of you have had treatment what about it what are we going to do about that how do we redress that people have to admit they're wrong people don't like doing that and of course also it's intuitively impossible most people think that it's just impossible to change your facial form however much evidence i give people they don't want to hear it and i think often it's because people want this preordained belief we've latched onto it you know they don't want to understand that their facial form isn't correct it may lead to serious health issues that could even shorten their lives and it's their fault yes the modern environment as well probably a little bit of your parents but it largely is your own fault not a good message people don't want to hear that so now what are we going to do well what am i going to do so i've watched my father's reputation destroyed after this dispatch his program in 1998 he raised his concerns he said that he thought that a certain percentage up to 20 or 30 percent of children who are having orthodontics have notable facial damage he's never had any scientific engagement onto whether he was right or wrong but he was largely condemned i remember going to a lecture given by the head of the academic program so the guy who decides what goes in the program at the big london university that qualifies 25 percent of the students in the uk he gave a controversial lecture at the end of the lecture i went up and i said you know you have some evidence for some of these things you want to say of course what he wanted to respond to me saying that well there's very little evidence for anything in dentistry but he decided to make a little quib and so the quib he said was well there's no evidence that just to prove that john muse wrong and i said you know that's my father and he said oh yes yes i know i think it will clear you didn't know because you wouldn't have said it if you knew but in his mind my father was the definition within dentistry of poor science i was there there was no higher benchmark than my father for bad science and there wasn't even the evidence to show that he was wrong so there's very little evidence within orthodontics or dentistry dentistry as a whole now i've never had any deep engagement with any orthodontist ever not even when i was training as soon as i get into deep water people you know they want to swatch off they don't want to engage with me and i have an outstanding offer so anyone watching this who thinks that i may be telling incorrect evidence have an engagement with me sit down let's chew the fat on orthodontics now i've written to all of the orthodontic teaching schools in the uk twice um we had a response from dundee for a period and then that didn't go anywhere uh then you know i've had now writing to my local school which is this large school that qualifies 25 percent of the students in the uk it seems to go nowhere and you know we seem to be as the the professor said speaking different languages all i want is them to analyze my cases look at do a cohort with me help me get some research going then i've extend i've lectured extensively including clearly ancestral health symposium and it's you know always interesting looking at some of the responses i remember after the symposium in boston someone said fascinating fascinating but i'll still go with diet that that's that's solid you know i know that the consistency of the diet it's solid science and i'm thinking i don't see any hard evidence for the consistency of the diet i would love to see some it would be simple for me to recommend supplements and yet there's such good evidence to support what i'm saying and crania facial dystrophy so in 2009 i published an editorial the black swan in the bdj challenging my profession to a debate on the etiology i'm engaged with the british orthodontic society i've had numerous emails with them i've wrote extensively to three chairs of the general dental council view the board certifying body within the uk i've written to my member of parliament who i also met i've written extensively to the council of health care regulatory excellence the all party dental committee the minister of health i've had questions asked in the house of law so a little bit like your senate and i've published extensively and engaged in letters in the british dental journal your main journal of dentistry in the uk and then i published my opinion piece crania facial dystrophy as i mentioned in the bdj in 2014 so from 2009 to 2014 i've been a right royal pain in the ars i've been asking simple questions why a teeth crooked my profession doesn't know we're treating a large percentage of the population we need to have debate you know we had a debate by the general dental council i think he was in 1936 it's time for another one then of course social media arrives and also i'm trying to set a clinic up so we engage with social media and we do surprisingly well i mean this is now one of the major orthodontic facebook pages where we engage with people and we talk then i had some interesting advice on youtube to make videos on lots of different subjects because that would bring people in but i had this deep urge to share my knowledge to help people and especially when when what you're doing is being prevented it's really quite difficult you know i want to say these things i want to tell people how they can easily make themselves better it's very difficult for me to see someone sitting there with a mouth open and not say look stand up and prove your posture to use some gum um and also you know i'm treating cases and i can see the benefit of what i'm doing i mean you know this girl was told no option but surgery she's got what we referred to as a class three now she's only halfway through i saw her the other day she is looking significantly better than this this girl was told no option but surgery there's a mark in the teeth so you can see where it's going now i'm not happy with that result i want to make her look a lot better because i know she looks better she is healthier now then this was very strange i've i've gone viral now i was asked to give this presentation it was to young men and sometime after this i one of my guys working for me said that there was a discussion on something called slut hate and and i engaged and discussed this thing with these guys and it seemed to then just take off virally and we got this advent of mewing and i see people out there who are buying into what i'm saying they're really working hard and they're changing their facial form they're posting these pictures and there's this whole community of mures which is kind of not what i was expecting but i guess you know what i'm saying it's really only of interest to people with faces and i guess that's a lot of people but you know i say that as i say often say to people you know i've got i've got a strong jaw now i've got strong muscles and it would seem that the two are related how do you get strong muscles you chew if you want a good jaw and a strong face chew use your system use it or lose it but of course then we have the empire strikes back so the buddhist orthodontic society who refused to engage with me on any form of debate on the etiology has then reported me to the general dental council on a particular video they said we've reported you in the highest manner possible then if you don't take the videos down we'll throw you out the buddhist orthodontic society and i said why what's wrong with the video to which they wouldn't tell me six months no details you know where's my freedom of speech in all of this then clearly the case reaches the general dental council my lawyers get involved and then they need to give some detail you know a lawyer's letter is very good for bringing some action so they um go through my videos and find out lots of little elements where they think i've said things that don't fit with the orthodonts view the real politic of modern orthodontics and they make a list of them they give them to the general dental council and who are the general dental council going to believe going to believe me or the unanimous decision by a list of bigwigs and professors so up to date i've had an interim orders committee hearing so i've had to go to a meeting where they decided whether i was a current danger and threat so after the initial findings they have to see if i'm currently dangerous they decided i wasn't luckily then we've got a couple of patients who have become involved i won't go into that in great detail but i think they want to move this away from a philosophical argument into a patient argument because it's a more emotive but my concern is in the next 12 to 18 months i've got to do something out the back box or i will lose my license i will lose my livelihood and i'll lose my practice when i go in front of this court with the general dental council i will rely on experts there are no experts that are going to support me i know with the expert against the zordi ladies case and i'm as guilty as charged for the comments i've made the experts carry weight my opinion doesn't carry weight now i know that expert supporting me thinks i'm guilty as charged so i'm going to be guilty as charged and this is based on a house of cards of information and i chose this picture because a top of this house of cards looks solid and unless i can challenge the very foundations the very roots upon which this hard table top is made i go down i'll lose my license there's no question this is a slow motion car crash now a clinical update i move forward i'm trying to take on older patients because the older the patients i can do the more i can demonstrate i'm getting changes that aren't just genetic i'm trying to use heat maps and 3d scanning to try and really look in depth of what i'm doing and i can see you can probably see this heat map well illustrates what the change has gone but i think that what i'm doing is a spearhead argument for evolutionary medicine or the dentics effect nearly all families in the western world it's one of the largest there's a significant household cost and one of the most significant symptoms i believe osa obstructive sleep apnea is probably shortening the lives of most 10% of people in america by about 10 years so it's a significant problem and i'm making a the base level argument is robust the argument is sound but it's probably preventable and that is my biggest annoyance our ancestors didn't have this other mammals don't have this it should be preventable so please go to this site prevent crooked teeth your support here would be welcome but also i ask the movement the ancestral health movement to support me in my quest for the scientific process and to support me before my career is destroyed for following the truth for my quest for the science the answers this is really happening this is the stuff sort of books are written about or movies are made on and it's happening right now in front of your eyes and i looked at the ancestral health movement to support me as a spearhead movement for the ancestral health movement thank you very much by the way please sharing this video would help thank you thank you so much mike i just think what you're doing is incredible and i hope that people step up to support it um if you want to take a few minutes of questions we can yeah we can go a couple hi mike that was amazing this is probably more of a kind of a statement as well as a question so in medicine there's there's functional medicine is there's no such thing as functional dentistry where you're looking more at root cause of things i think terms are important now a lot of people use what is referred to as functional appliances and functional appliances are a little step in the direction i'm in but if they're one meter towards me they're still nine meters away from me there's still a huge difference between what we refer to as functional appliances and what i do and i think i'm often labeled as repiding functional appliances and the evidence for functional appliances which i believe i agree is quite poor is often labeled on me as well and i think trouble is functional movement as sort of latched on to functional appliances okay well i think what you're doing is wonderful and i think there is i see science they might not see it but you have well i'm trying yeah but you know you need to talk to people who are going to talk to you yes people don't engage the biggest problem in science is just the lack of engagement if people don't engage in science it goes nowhere it's too easy not to engage thank you very much well thank you that was my initial question too but i'll ask a different one now um you're saying that we can increase or get a better job more defined job in a bigger chin based on the work you're doing to kind of bring it forward is that the mewing movement can you do that at home or is that something somebody has to work with you one-on-one with no you can do it at home what i often say to anyone engaging with treatment with me so i said that if i could plug in to your brain a little bit like they did in the film the matrix and i could reset your parameters of that is all i would have to do anyone has the potential the best appliance is your tongue you've got one improve your posture and function and you'll improve the structure will we know that i mean that all the evidence suggests that it's just people don't want the conclusions they don't want to hear it and it defies convention you know we believe the face we've got is is what's that image on your passport your identity that defines who you are is your face what's that thing that looks back at you from any mirror it's your face it is you and to suggest that you your face is not correct it's just so alien to people it's just a very difficult thing to understand but when people understand this is will be one of the biggest stories ever ever thank you yeah like uh what to what extent does the orthodoxy have a coherent argument or set of arguments and that would to which you would have to like defeat in an open dialogue is that what i have well it is just interesting you know it's it's a sort of real politic answer it just it seems to evolve slowly over time and evolved to it's almost like the argument is fashionable i've watched the argument change over time and there seems to be a response to nearly every question given that sounds very reasonable and you know these these are some very bright people who are just not willing to look underneath the carpet and they're building everything on top of these assumptions and trying to square every circle and being really quite effective at it again when i engage with anyone i know the holes you know i know how to drive a london bus through most arguments but someone has to engage with you and it's very easy to make you know quick sound bites that sound impressive it's you to get a scientific answer you really need to get down to the root the base evidence and have an impassioned discussion and rather than a passionate discussion that happens too often i mean what would be the kind of thing that that someone from the orthodoxy would say in response to you would they say that the delimus alignment is part of the normal variation variation in the population one of the common concepts at the moment is that malocclusion is a normal variation around the norm so everyone has slightly crooked teeth in one direction or another direction and it's a variation around the norm but that just doesn't fit with this gross change we've had from our ancestral form to our modern form there's been huge changes look at skulls from in any museum and they look just dramatically different all our ancestors look dramatically different you know you see someone walking out the serengeti someone walking out the brazilian rainforest someone walking out the australian outback and they all stand up with beautiful posture they've all got beautiful facial form clearly i'm using this term beauty again this health and beauty and they've got 32 perfectly straight teeth the good space behind those teeth all of them always unless they have a specific problem unless they're not healthy and that is just so different from what we see in modern society now and the fact that we took the profession has taken these x-rays there's normative data in the middle of the 20th century and again stat data we're treating patients it seems it's going to confound how you think and from that thought pattern you could come to conclusion that this is a variation around the norm but that argument then doesn't stack up the other thing they would say to me is i have no evidence lily i don't have lots of randomized clinical controlled trials well i am one individual but i pay my taxes my patients pay their taxes the salaried researchers in my local area are not even talking to me they're not even listening to my concerns they're not doing their job of helping me to do the research that would validate i mean how many mscs have happened in the last 10 years in london by orthodontists could one of them not have been on what i'm doing it's all been paid for by the state we have a socialized healthcare system that's even paying for a good chunk of the orthodontic therapy if i'm right if there's any evidence to what i'm saying is correct this would make a major change to healthcare costs a major change this has a big impact on osa well what where's the benefit there we need all i'm asking for the scientific process i say don't believe a word i say but believe in my desire and my right to have a debate on the etiology of malocclusion some form of scientific engagement i just want a level playing field i'm asking for no more so that we can have science so we can have a understanding of the baseline facts uh thank you for your talk um i'm primarily an exercise physiologist work as a trainer also and based on some stuff from rhan rosca piri and other people i've noticed a big association between uh cranial facial structure and just overall movement quality uh so my questions are twofold if you've seen similar and then would the maybe fitness field be sort of a backdoor area into more what you're looking at instead of kind of going around maybe the profession you started in i know it's a little bit of a yeah i think what um what i see is people with just okay sorry but most people in this room have got distorted cranial facial form when i walk down a high street anywhere i see car crash car crash car crash sorry it's it's i see disasters everywhere and once you really understand what i'm saying your eyes become open and you see this disaster going on in front of you you see it in your children you see it in your friends now as the space for the tongue becomes limited and the airway space becomes a vital space as i call it people gradually gain a more forward head posture and that can really affect their ability to engage in sports and activities now as far as going around the profession i think that's a good way i think i would love to bring in people from a sports field and physiotherapy field into my clinic and i would i i'm only getting going that that facial form on the show of the adult all those kids i'm only touching the surface i know i could do so much more i i can know the people i know the techniques i could bring in i will hopefully get there but it's you know i can't live off less i can't work any harder there's a limit to this and that's where i need to come to events like this this is why i want you know benefactors i want engagement in science because this is the way forward the scientific process you know i have a i have a demonstration of a scientific process here the scientific process has bought us great gains and some areas like this they use it well why can't we use it well in medicine all the time we know it's not happening we know that evolutionary medicine could provide so many great gains but it means a people have to change their lifestyles but also we have to change bits of modern medicine and probably the profit motive doesn't go in that direction michael unlike i just want to console you with the following bit of pessimism which is that orthodoxies hate science they hate it in 1600 with Copernicus and Bruno and Galileo they hated it all through the 19th century when pastor was arguing for the germ theory of disease and now they hate evolutionary medicine because it stands in the way of their profits their power and their ideology sorry that's okay well i i i recognize i'm the most hated person in orthodontics on planet earth sorry do you have a question and then we should ground up thank you yeah i just i agree with him because um going after that but um basically thank you for your work i recently had a nephew and now i'm making sure that he's chewing instead of having baby food so thank you for your work um so you've said before that your goal is to eliminate your business and to not to not need to do orthotropics to have people do it themselves yeah um and you're not getting yeah you're not orthodontics and you're not getting support from the orthodontic community and very likely you might lose your license just like you said but i think that the support you're getting from the online community are just people that hear your message that are not so um tied up with they don't have to they didn't have to pay for the daunting school and lose their proper uh probably their livelihood so they're not as attached to it so i think that yeah going online is the best is a great way to go but i have a question for you if you are going to create like a teaching curriculum or something for people that want to learn how to spread it because for example for myofunctional therapy you have to go to dentist school dentistry school for four years get in debt for that a lot of money and then um then you get to be a myofunctional therapist and especially in our society if you have the certifications people believe you and to become a myofunctional therapist like are you are you thinking of having any sort of curriculum that's stamped by you because i don't really care about going to dentist school i want to go and learn what you're teaching i i have a personal dislike of credentialism and this tendency towards protectionism and placing paywalls one of my biggest dislikes is the fact that i see so many professorial types or the you know the mister barbady barbady who's written the book he's got lots of qualifications but he is useless people go to see him because he's of his reputation they're willing to pay over the odds to see him because he's mister barbady barbady and they're being screwed over that is a particular dislike of mine i would like to see a system where we pay people for results for what they achieve and it is something i would like to engineer and i would like to lower the academic requirements for entry and increase an ability based result driven certification you know it works very well for my plumber why can't it work for my doctors okay so that's in the word i know you have that that's on the list yeah that's on the long list but i i hope to get there you know i i want to change the world i've got to go do or die haven't i and if i don't think out the box if i just continue in a straight line as i'm going i'm history and it's it's it's as i said it's a slow motion carcraft i you know where it's going to go because when i go into if i walk into the general dental council court which i will have to at some point if i go in with two experts who think i'm clearly wrong one thinks i'm very wrong once trying to find reasons to believe me because you're being paid by my insurers well i'm a dead man you know and yet i believe i'm doing the scientifically proven thing i'm doing the best for my patients i'm struggling to survive economically to provide this therapy for my trip patients and yet i'll be struck off for doing so yeah but i say don't even well i wouldn't even go with like the orthodontist or even try to appeal to them because you know other though like it's not main or it has become mainstream fitness like pilates yoga you don't get insurance for going to those things but it becomes so big because the people have seen the results and i think that's what's going to happen well yeah but i need it i need by law i need to be registered to treat people and that law can be used against me thank you very much so we do want to we've got time for one more question thank you mic we're uh it's after five already um so i we're gonna cut that sorry yeah we i will talk a leg anyway listen thank you very much you're a great audience will you be hanging around or at the dinner for people who want to ask more sorry are you gonna speak up sir will you be either here or at the dinner later or i'll be at the dinner later i want to spend it was very thankful that i put this presentation on the first day because i will spend the rest of the conference here and you know i appeal to you for ideas for support for help i said if anyone watches this video you know share it tell people what's happening ask questions you know have more than one consultation if you go to see an orthodontist be sensible think and thank you very much