 Progressive Podcast. I'm your host James P. Madonna of Megalife 21, the hardest sitting internet talk radio station on the planet. And I am here with my special guest for the second time, part two, the one and only performing artist Ken Create. When he was on the Progressive Podcast for the first time, he was the writer Ken Create and we talked about writing and writing skills. Now this time being that Ken Create is a man that wears different hats. This time you are going to hear the performing artist Ken Create discuss creativity and how he puts together his performances based on the music he's using, how he studies the song, how he takes it apart, how he analyzes it, and decides what exactly he is going to do with the song in terms of his entertainment, in terms of his approach. Mr. Ken Create, thank you for joining us for part two. Okay, you're coming over loud and clear digital perfection. We are live via livestream.com at the Megalife 21 live stream channel. Okay, we're live on the internet, also mobile people who have smartphones, as well as being recorded. Now, when you first started your attempt at creativity Ken Create, it was back in the early or mid-1980s, is that correct? Yes, that's absolutely correct, but I got to go back a little further and give a background. Okay, go ahead. Of myself. Well, I was brought up in a middle-class family. I was into sports, played a lot of sports, played on all the teams, and then got older with my friend. The drugs came around, the alcohol came around, and we partied, but we were rockers, rock and rollers, and my oldest brother, he was the one that was into Motown and funky music and dance music, but he shared a big room with me and my other brother. So we used to listen to the music because it was like in our face. And there was some music that we did like. A lot of it we did because we were rock and rollers. Well, as time went by, my one friend said to me one night, he goes, you want to go to a dance club? And I was like, well, you know, I was screwed that already, and it wasn't really a good experience because I didn't have a dance and these people were having a good time. But anyway, I said, yeah, let's go. Oh, we got a little new clothes and stuff. We went to a dance club. And just turned out we went to a Spanish club in the city. And me and my friend were like, drugged up. And we were having a good time. We're partying with old Spanish people. And then, well, something that was a big circle. And people were getting in the circle, dancing, jumping out. And for some reason, I got in that circle. And I was old by myself and I had to be at least 200 people watching me. I had no idea what I was doing. Okay. And when I was done, people were like, man, I give you a lot of credit for doing that. I said, hey, look, I don't have a dance, but I'm having a good time. And they said, well, that's what it's all about. Okay. Now, that was the first time I ever did something in public. All right. Didn't know what I was doing, but it was in front of 200 people. So I think, well, are you there? I was named to be a performer. All right. So anyway, as time went by, I started going to dance clubs and I would go and have a good time. But it was like to really stress problems in your life. So I take it to the dance floor. Then one night, I went out to a club and I actually started to move. And I was like, well, I'm dancing. I have no idea where this came from. But I started to dance. So I got the bug. And then when people were coming up to me, they said to me, wow, you're a pretty good dancer. And I used to look at them and wow. So I can't, I saw a thing, you know, I thank God for it. So that's what opened me up in a way, searching for the truth. Then I would walk around in my neighborhood and ask God, what kinds of questions, why he's just going on, why he really had no answers. But my one friend, I knew he was different. His name is Rocco. He's a famous magician. But back then he was just starting out and he was a Christian. Yeah, Rocco Solano. Yeah, he could be seen on the web. Right. So one time we're hanging out by the bridge. And he said, I heard about what you're doing. And I was like, yeah, you know, I'm not bad. You know, and he says, well, I'm doing a show. I'm bringing you counsel. You do mine. I was like, what are you talking about? So he showed me a couple moves with the robot. I was like, whoa, that's really cool. I like that. He goes, come up to my place. I'll show you some stuff. I said, okay. So he showed me a couple moves. And he says, well, you pick up quick. You want to come down and bring in the counsel? And he says, okay. So I went down there with him. And first time I ever did mine, I had a white face and tuxedo. I had no idea what I was doing. But I pulled it off. In fact, two kids said to me, you're good. And I was like, good. They were like, yeah, my brother does that, because you're better than my brother. I'm like, why? He goes, yeah, you know, you've been doing this. I said, I just started. They're like, come on. We see I was in the rhythm already of dance. I was going somewhere because I can move now. So I did a little cover up. And I got away with it. Then after that, when we came back, he brought me to church. And I sent to Christ as my savior. And I started reading the Bible. And I went to the dance clubs, I get on the floor, and everything just started to click pretty good. But then I had people question me if you're a Christian, why do you go to dance clubs? Okay. So now when I would go, I would see things that would attract the lights. That's because I want to refer to your movies, you can tell me movies, because now I got the bug. Yeah, Nicholas Brothers. Right. So now I was like, if this is wrong, me being here, then I'm seeing something that's different. So I started concentrating on steps, the lights, circles, boxes. And I was going more into creativity. Okay, forget about the music that concentrating on what's in front of me, these props. Yeah. Well, people that are somewhat inactive, lazy, and they sit on their ass, they don't understand the dance club environment with the with the, like the music and the DJ and the lights and all that. They wouldn't understand that. And what so which I get I went from where different. Okay, so now when I hear people coming up to me and talk to me, I would witness that. All right. So now through the years that have passed, I'm still going to clubs. But now it's gone to another level. Now, when I start to put acts together, I met this one guy who's a comedian. And I had some props in my friend Rocco. And he says, he went to a club and he looked at what I did. Okay. And he said, how'd you like to open up for me? I got a show in about a month. If you could put some together. So I had a dancing cane. I had where I could do with a mind. And I was doing something else. I said, yeah, I could put three songs together. He goes, okay, so I started working with him. So that all went down. And then later on, my friend Rocco invented these lights to call the lights. So I started working with the lights. Yeah, there are dance clubs, LED lights. And just with the Holy Spirit take over these lights, was just like amazing. For now, I looked at I had a purpose. Why am I here? What am I doing here? Okay, my purpose was to reach these people in my peers of my age bracket. So when I was done, you know, people come up to me and talk to me and I would witness to them. Because the Bible says I will give you the desire of my heart. Okay, so my desire was to reach people through the entertainment. So God started using me as a tool to reach people. And then as things evolved, and I got into the dance became then I got into the mask, and the lights now it's floating balls. So all different props. But now the way things are put together to go into my act is I'll listen to music. And if I like song, I'm saying, well, there might be some there. Okay, but I don't know. A week later, I might go back to have music and listen to some that call my, you know, ear. So I'll listen to one second, but I'll put it to the side. Maybe two weeks later, and we've got a CD on, I throw it on and it's like, well, there's some here. So now what I do is I look in my drawers and see what kind of prop that would go with that music. But I don't practice. I put my headphones on, I really seem to be music, where I know that music inside and out, and every beat, every change. Okay. And then once I know that song inside and out, and every beat, now I take the prop, and I start working to the prop to the song. And it kicks. So if it's robot, I'll go into robot. But if the music changes, and it's telling me you got to spin right here, then I go into spin. But if it goes from back into robot, I'm back into robot. Now if the change is dance, I go into dance. Okay, so it changes. I like changes because when you do changes, I'm changing the moods. Okay. And that's just the whole of spirit power. And that's how we put things together. And that's how he works for me, create and for me. Now I started out in 1982. And now it's 2015. Through them years, where I first started out, now where God has brought me, and all the shows I have under my belt, doing nursing homes, doing churches, doing theaters, doing events, going to the dance clubs. So you know, you can know I'm not where I want to be. I know my lifetime and being on TV four or five times, being on VH1. I know in my lifetime of all the clubs, all the events, being on TV, there has to be at least, at least all the people that see me all through them years has to come to about a quarter of a million people that have watched me in my lifetime. Okay. And I don't have a name. So that's where God has brought me. Well, I guess the entertainment industry is a very, very fickle. It's unfortunately in the United States in our system, our rig system, you've got to be at the right place at the right time. Unfortunately, you have to know the right people. Unfortunately, you know, if it was up to me, I would do things fairly. And I would allow the people with the best talent to offer the people with the greatest minds, even if it's a poor child in a ghetto, if he's got a, if he has a genius IQ, or he has a talent, he should get that scholarship, he should be given the opportunity. Now, in your case, you just keep on plugging away like you've been doing, you're getting exposure, but you haven't quite hit the high note like Ralph Crandon, you said in that episode, you know, as far as your big break. But hey, a lot of people have been in worse situations than you and they became, they became rich and famous, but that's not your priority. People think that all entertainers are the same and they want to be rich and famous, but that is not the priority of Cancreate, and they would totally be shocked if they knew how deep your agenda is. Well, because see what it is, and what it's been on voices, okay, in the past, we'd be like, okay, you're using me with this tool, and it's a powerful tool. Okay. And I'm serving you. All right. How come I'm not there? When you say you, you're talking about that always used to irritate me, because I got to work the regular job. So now I'm on my regular job, and I'm working hard. Okay. And it's like, I don't want to be here. Yeah, I want to be doing what I really want to do. Yeah, I got it. I got to take it with a grain of salt. So now, studying the word and deeply into the word, God, you show me these things. Okay, that when I go to perform, or even go to a dance club, okay, I don't even do what I got to do for the Lord. People come to me, I talk about him. If they don't, he still takes over, they see his life. Okay. And then I give it to the Lord. So when I am done performing, or I am done with a dance club, I'm out the door. Okay. And that performance, or that club for that night that I went into, that's the past. And I move on. Right. And the key thing is, I don't know who God is reaching. Okay, using me as a tool. Right. So when you know, I'm doing all this stuff right behind the scenes, God is working. Okay. So now when I'm called into the rapture, and he's going to show me my fruit. Well, the people that I brought in, okay, that I never knew about, because that's the mystery. Well, when you're reaching people, and it's not my duty to know that, I go, I do my job, I'm done, and I give it to the Lord. Well, you're talking about like, when you're out in a public area, and you're doing your thing, and you're performing, or let's say it's a dance floor, I mean, dance club, and people approach you, and want to talk to you and tell you what they think of your performance. And then if they ask you, well, how do you make this all happen? And you tell them how, where you get your power from. And now, if they continue to show an interest, that's an example of you witnessing to them and reaching that. Well, you know what James, I look at it this way, if I go and I do my job, okay, I did my job. Yeah. That's all I can do. I don't know what's going to happen after that. Okay. Yeah. And it's not my duty to know what's going to happen after that. It's out of your hands. I go to a show, and say there's 200 people there. Right. And I'm done. And I leave. I don't know who got his region. But I did my job. Well, for those, for those out there that don't know this can create also performs in in fundraisers and in churches. Let's say he he does all one or two songs performing. I don't mean singing them but in his performance could be creative creative dance. It could be creative mime and creative dance. It could utilize magical lights, props, you know. Anyway, when he's done, and if it happens to be a church or fundraiser, very often he gets to speak. Now, when he speaks, if he speaks in a church, people have to understand that Ken creates other hat is the fact that he's an evangelist. So right, you know, he's a writer, he's an evangelist, and he's a performing artist. And for those that don't know, because they might not know what you're me, what you mean by, you know, talking about your performances and then talking about spreading the word and reaching people and all that. I just want them to understand where you're coming from. Right. You know, well, now when I did the ball session, and I met you when you take me, okay, and I told my friend you this, all right, and you know, and I know what you would take me, right, from that guide of the little stand, didn't the cops shut the music off on me because I stopped traffic? You know what, that's something you notice that I didn't notice. Really? Yeah, because the cops came up to me. Yeah, stop. And so we had to shut you down because the people trying to get up three couldn't get by because the noise people will walk in or see in the crowd and they're gathering in the crowd. And it's like going on there. And it's like a bottleneck on the highway of traffic. It's like it's like a clogged artery basically there. They're all there's a crowd and then other people see the crowd and they walk up to the crowd to see why there's a crowd. And then the crowd gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Yes. Before you know it, the traffic's not going anywhere. Right. And that's when they, that's when people kind of get up the street and the cops turn the music off on me. Well, that's happened. That happens when Ken create performs. Okay, and what happened to was a lady who I know who hooked me up and she's a bully or an out, she's really cool. She called me and when I went the next day to perform, she see me. I got adopted. She goes, you're performing just great. I love what you do. But you got to be kind and care. She goes, you go in certain situations where it stands and everything. Nobody's buying everybody's watching you in the merchant people are complaining. I was like, whoa, that people are not correct. People are not browsing and circulating amongst the concessions and the stands and and they're they're losing money because everybody's watching you all night. Well, because what it is, I'm using certain props, I'm using the dancing cane, I'm popping with that cane, I'm doing Michael Jackson with that cane, from Boogie with that cane. People look at that and say, that's different. Now you can't derive, they're watching. So if you can keep them where they're at, and they don't move, then you got some performers don't have because you're talking about this is on a street. And this was at a festival. So people watch, they watch, and then they move because it's a big festival. Time to move on. But if you can keep them and keep them in their tracks for 10 15 minutes, without they moving on, that's our stuff. No, yeah, without a doubt. It could happen anywhere. Could be in a dance club, it could be at a park, it could be at a carnival, like when when when Ken Cree said, I met him at the Falls Festival. I met him at a few years ago. I believe it was maybe a little longer than that. I met him at a Labor Day weekend festival in Patterson, New Jersey in historic Patterson. That's what he meant by the Falls Festival because it was near America's newest national park, which is the Great Falls in Patterson. So, you know, we we often do, we rehearse and practice. And sometimes we do open mics at the Historic Patterson Museum, which is run by Mr. Giacomo di Stefano, a shout out to Giacomo and the museum. But definitely, when you visit Historic Patterson and the National Park, the Great Falls, definitely stop by the Patterson Museum because it represents the Industrial Revolution. It is history, it is American history. Okay, so definitely stop by there. And anyway, now, getting to the point where you have a new song that you really like, or somebody gives it to you and you really like it. When you listen to the song in private, explain to people how you create a creative way, break down the song and try to match it with the right performance. In terms of like I said, well, like I said, number one, it's got it to me, there's something there. Okay, so if I see there is something there, then I listen to the music, I put my head on it. I totally break it down where I know there's so on the inside and down. I know every beat, I know every change, everything that goes with the music. And I have to be on every single change in every single beat. So when people watch me perform, it's like, I'm going perfect to the song. So when people look at that, that he went perfect at that song, that guy did his homework. But now when you look at my names and create, they're like, Oh, that's going to create. You see what I mean? Because you're creating. But James, that comes from the Lord, okay? Like you may do the full special boy, do events, I do all the different kind of things you can pick shows and stuff. When I go to perform, I don't perform to say look at me. Okay, when I perform, I release myself and let the Holy Spirit power it over. Yeah, but you're done. Right. Okay, these people are getting know. Okay, God is real. And to me, well, that's what it's about. Yeah. Well, you also physically decide on any changes that you make within the song. Like, you know, like sometimes you'll, you'll switch, you'll switch props, you know, change up. I mean, they do my friend, you know, Paul Morgan. Okay, we just got to pretty care. Okay, we did the one up and they played the homeless man. So I had to hold it out. So I think it's good. And my friend Paul goes, I was really good. I said, Okay, so now we read through four or five songs. So we got done. And he said, well, we got about 10 minutes to kill. And then we got another hour to do. All right. So when we come back, what songs do you want to do again? So I said, Well, I'm not the couple ones that are on the edge of sight. He goes, Okay, we can do that. So we did that. And she's great. And he goes, I got two left. So what do you want to do? I said, Why like colors of a man? Okay, so he goes, All right, I'll finish with that one. He goes, I want to do a homeless man again. I said, No, okay. So now we did the homeless man again 45 minutes later. And when I was done, he looked at me and he goes, I can't believe it. I said, Well, he goes, You totally changed your moves. And the first time you did it 45 minutes ago. So it was totally different. And the first time I did it, which was 45 minutes prior. Right. Well, well, for these people for the people out there that are not familiar with the homeless man. And when Ken create, when he does lip syncing and acts out the song shout from the 1980s, it's all on YouTube. If you go to on the internet, you Google Ken creates playlists, and you go to YouTube, he has a playlist with everything that he's ever done just about. And it's there. I think the the one word, the one that's on video for the homeless man, that is definitely there is when you did the show in Dover at a park. Right. Okay, but he's done the homeless man, you know, many times, and also shout up in on the Time Warner show, Keeping Country Strong. It's up in Fort Jervis, you know, he does an excellent performance of shout, but he's done it many times. So he is able to act out the song. Right. But now, if you look at the show, for example, okay, I think people are going to do that. Okay. So lip syncing the song out, maybe I'll act the song out. Okay, if he's devoted to it, I bring it to another level where if I know the word inside and out, I put prompts in the song. So I got fake money. I got a mask. I got the lights. Okay, these are things that are added in the song. Okay, now when it comes to these points, when it comes to money, I pull out fake money and throw it around. So people get that there. When it comes in the black and white, which is probably the old way racism. Okay, the black people, white people, I got a black love on, I got a white club on, I looked towards my hands that represents that. The end of the song, I got a scale that's in masks. Okay, so when I turn around, I got this mascot that nobody knows about because it is under my hat. So I got all these little prompts in there. And so on to another level, what people said. Yeah, I never seen anything like that before. Well, the part where I totally picked this part. Well, the part where you say you shouldn't have to sell your soul, you can you can hold up a Satan mask. No, no. That's where the money comes out. Shouldn't have to sell your soul. Then you the the water fake money. Yeah, okay. Yes. Okay, if you get what people do, they sell their soul for same fortune money. Well, yeah, the entertain the entertainment industry people are they're kind of I don't know if you want to say black male forced into right pretty much selling your soul and you know, they become like horse, you know, for the industry. Yeah. Now, when I do the homeless man, I'm dressed like a homeless guy. And then I got good clothes underneath. They're their products. That's a heavy duty. That's a heavy duty performance for those of you not familiar can create roll as the homeless man performance. You got to catch that you got to find out on the internet and see it. You see the one that you've seen out in Dover. Okay, that was for a trip. So I was used in my regular clothes. So you don't see the 30 plus right when you really don't right now has that song where you see me homeless with the clothes and then I change. In other words, when we when you do the theatrical version of the homeless man, right, it's a different. Yeah, you're dressed the part. Right. In fact, I'm hanging outside the theater of world performance in people. I actually think I'm homeless. Okay. So now when it comes to the homeless man song, I walk in. And I walk on the stage. And I sit there. People are like, Hey, that's the homeless thing. I was out here. What is he doing? And they have no idea. They had no idea prior that that this bum this vagabond was as part of the performance. Yes, you totally blow them away. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, you're part of the performance. And they thought they you were like, like they normally treat homeless people like they're they're less than human. Like they're garbage. I put sunglasses on. And I look at all the people sitting there. And I just stare at them. And the song begins. But as the song goes on, I get up from where I'm sitting on the stage. And then I go into this field, three quarters into this field. The guy gets his legs together, and he gets a job. So all the homeless clothes are ripped off. And there's new clothes on the knees that I'm alive now. And then the light's coming. And it just floors people because when I was done, the pastor came up to me, but I never seen anything like that in my life. Where are you from? So I come home from Patterson. It's like preaching Patterson really giving me the number. But my number, if we talk, you come down at the farm, where I create Oh, so a pastor saw you perform in the homeless man. Okay, so I went down there. Okay, I did three songs. I got to talk to people. And he said to me, yeah, I said, yeah, because you're heavy. You come across being too strong. I don't need to be a fit. Because when you're done, people don't know how to approach you because you come across too strong. This is when I started talking to them about them. So I said, okay, some stand in our line to get food, because people are finally these people in the back of it. So one guy was in the back and he liked it. He had food smells really good. He goes, yeah, you're right. I said, I heard the food's good because he looked at me and he's like, well, your performance is great. Okay, so the ice was cold. Yeah. Yeah, if you're if you're if you're a super talent, it could be any I mean, it could be you could be violinist Ben Zabel who you work with. Anybody that that blows away the audience with talent, great talent. People are intimidated by them and they're not approachable performers. They you know, they just walk up and you close approachable things approachable. Because if you think about talent, and there aren't talented people out there, I'm doing a horizon that's going to another level because I have a different purpose. And that's why I'm across too strong, where you guys are more approachable than me. Because my agenda is different. And then I see differently. Okay, then other people and other performers, where you want to be performing people. Okay, when in performance, they're going in performing, getting paid. Okay, focus on people around the door. Okay, that's not my agenda. I'm weird to reach people for price. So it's right from ballpark. Yeah, the average entertainer, entertainer is there to do a job, get paid and leave. Yeah, and you can be good. And you can have talent. Okay, well, you're not going to the level where I want to go because my agenda is different. I'm not there to perform, and get paid, and hang out and talk to people from the air, to shine God's light, to bring people to price. Okay, that's where God brings you to the next level. Okay, because people can perform pastors, bishops, and he said, come here, gift it. And I said, well, you know what? Every believer has to get inside there. Okay, what are you doing it for? What are you doing it for? So if you're doing it to reach people and you're witnessing to people who want to do it, well, it's not about that kind of gift. Why? Because you're serving the Lord. And he looks at your heart. Okay, and he sees me when I go to perform or go to a club and he's like, yeah, he's here for me. He's going to talk about me. Okay, so my spirit is going to run through him and blow these people away. Now you can be a performing artist. And you can be a very different purpose. Get paid for the people, hang out and leave. You can go into mind ballpark. Okay, if you're not doing it for Christ, and witnessing for Christ, you're not in that ballpark. Every believer who performs should be in that ballpark. Well, you see, entertainment done for the secular society, popular music and what have you, it could be jazz, it could be anything for the secular mainstream society. As soon as you mention anything about religion or Christianity, you'll get type casts and they'll stick you in the Christian music section. So you've got a word, things differently. You know, you've got to keep that side of you. And on the back burner, you know what I mean? I can go into a club or I can do the performance. And God people away. And I don't have to say one word. Okay. Okay. Right. Now, right. Okay. Now you, you have another story, you want to do another story like we did last time? You have another story. Huh? Let me see. Let me see. I'll try to grab one out of my notebook. Just give me a minute. Yeah, yeah. We got time just if you got because I figured we got another good 15 minutes. Yeah, because we went over so well the first time I had you on the on the Progressive Podcast that I figured, you know, what the hell, you know, if you let me let me get my apparatus not to change the subject, but remember when you when you did your you sang your like country bluegrass gospel song and I was playing the Jews heart. Yeah, you have that you still got that song. I don't know. I got a hunt for it. Yeah. Yeah. Down the road. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I get gathered around, but I know where it all is. Yeah. Well, I just want to show, you know, in case people are wondering where the sound they're going to hear is coming from. I just grabbed my African Gen B drum made of malogany and goat skin. So I got it with me. So if you're wondering, you know, where the hell the sounds coming from, you know, right? Let me know when you got it. Right. I got through here. Now, I have one note, but they'll be totally full 110 stories. Uh huh. Okay. That's first one. I became a believer. Right. So I had to be groomed in the word. Okay. Down a lot of that stuff that I wrote back in the early 80s. Okay. It was like naive stuff. Right. Okay. So I was taught. I was rooted in the word through in the word study of the word. Okay. So now when I write an idea comes from me, I know it's a solid message for before and early 80s because that was a new Christian. Mm hmm. It wasn't solid. Right. But I could take stuff from there. Mm hmm. Okay. And learn from even back then and put a story together if I kind of like it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Alright. I'll do this quickly right here. Alright. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to tell you how I wrote this. I did a show with my friend. We were done. We went downstairs. We were the whole bar atmosphere. I was bored. I had a soda. Okay. I came to me. I grabbed the pen. I grabbed the napkin and because there was not around. Right. I wrote this story. It took me uh I think two minutes to write this and when it was done, I showed the lady and was friends with my buddy. Okay. And she was totally blown away. She goes, you just wrote that. I said, you had a different two minutes to write this. How about that? I was like, huh? Alright. This is cool. He wants his over. Okay. Well, from the little boy to a young man. Right. It's definitely powerful. Alright. Let me give you one more. Yeah. But speak up. Uh speak a little higher volume this time. Alright. Alright. Let me know when you're going to do this. Alright. Okay. This one could be a wrapping. This could be a wrapping one. Wrap off like for the gospel choir in the background. Okay. In the background. When it comes into that part, you gotta get ready to sing that. Or even if I sang it. Well, you gotta sing it louder. You gotta put more power into it. And then I gave it to you in a wrap singing what I understand. I would get the right people to do it. There's something there. It's like what what what you did with that um that gospel song that uh you you did it in a in a country bluegrass style. I remember and I was playing the juice, huh? Right. What to do with it? Then you got keyboard, you got horn, drum, clapping, okay, choir. Oh yeah. When you put the whole thing together like that. Alright. But the problem is people I have met in my lifetime. A lot of false promises out there. A lot of false promises. Well, you know people in general they don't do what they say and they don't uh they don't like they don't say what they do. They you know that they're they're full of shit. Well, you know, I'm talking about believers. Oh, oh yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Even even amongst uh people of a certain religion uh it doesn't matter. Even people in church but I mean look how many people go through the motions every Sunday. They go all dressed up with a suit and tie. They go to church and they and but there's no fellowship. They don't know anyone. They don't want to know anyone. Alright. You know, I mean it's a lot of hypocrites. They come across when they perform. They come across like hey wow that's great man. Wow. Here's my number. I want your card and then when I call them, they don't even return a call. It's not my problem. Yeah. I mean, you know it's amazing and they probably look you right in the eye too and smile. Yeah. Well, I'm going to put on a chair problem in front of all people. Oh, isn't it? Isn't it like um you're in a public area and you see these uh all of a sudden one or two girls sees her friends and and they have to put on a big show and scream and run over and hug them and talk loud to show everyone that it's like it's like they got a lot they got a lot of friends. They know a lot of people and I don't know what their motive is but they're showing off is what I'm trying to say. They're doing it for attention. Of course, you know, but now I don't want other people. Okay. Really cool to hook me up. Okay. So, you know, if you've got one to her real, they don't want you there. Hey, believers are living in a flush. They just got to grow up. Well, but that's not my problem. I got to do what I got to do. Let's say the Bible says work out in your own salvation with fear and trembling in your own. There you go. Your house and order. Now you hit the nail on it. You hit the nail right on the head. You got to worry about your own salvation but you know, there's a lot of hypocrites out there too. Hey, there's a lot of people that don't even open up the book. They don't even know what's in the Bible. Like a lot of these politicians. I totally agree with it. But you know what? That's not my problem. You have to worry about what I'm doing. I mean, how could how could a person like let's take some of the latest news I heard. Joel Osteen makes $600,000 a week in donation. That is a mind-boggling astronomical amount of donations when you think about it. And of course, he lives in a mansion. He lives pretty high on a log. But what is he doing with the donations if he happens to be a pastor or anything? I don't know. I don't know. And I'm not judging a man because I don't know his heart. Oh, I could see his heart. If you look, it's obvious. If you're an evangelist or a pastor or a minister and you've got that kind of money coming at you and donations, you should be doing things that are that are a Christian that are like given to the poor, feeding the homeless. When it comes to individuals like that, I don't know what he's doing. You don't broadcast it. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what he's doing either, Kenny. Don showed me something. I used to judge people. But he showed me something in this book that I got. Then it was power from the different entertainers, sports people who became believers. Now there was one guy who was going for a contract in baseball. But there was another guy who got his big contract. And he was an orphan. So his family took him in and his son played sports. So he grew up with the family and played sports. He turned out to be a really talented player. And his stepbrother turned out to be a good pitcher who pitched for a couple teams. When he got his contract and at the time it was a huge contract, he built two orphanage houses. In fact, him and his wife took in two orphanages. And they got their families. So he had two buildings he built and he's a believer. So now if I didn't read that story and I see his contract, what I look at him and say, we're just crazy guys. So you don't know. I would have never known buying this book. So the other guy who's a boatkeeper said he was going for this type of contract that this other man got to do God's work. Now that's cool. Now David Robinson can play basketball, okay? He got a huge contract on his basketball team, all right? He built two grammar schools and took people that were poor to kids, brought them in, they're learned, they're taught. Yeah, there's teachers, they have showers, they're taught the word of God, they get all brand new clothes, cafeteria, food, the whole nine yards. This is what he's doing. Right. They don't sit another was waiting. If I didn't read that, what I look at that man is being look at this guy's contract, look how greedy he is. So he's trying to say, so when it comes to the Joel Holstein or somebody like him, okay, I don't know what he's doing. So in other words, what you're saying is, if somebody is in the spotlight and they're famous, you don't know what they're keeping hidden from the public. You don't know what they're doing because they might not, they might not make it available to the public news. People might not know about it. They might be doing it behind the scenes is what you're trying to say. Right. But like getting back to what we were talking about, it's not my job to know. Okay, I gotta do what I gotta do. Right. And they're doing what they're doing. Okay, so now if they are false, they're in deep water, but if they are, they come in their way and they're spreading the word and remind the judge. Yeah, what I'm trying to say is when a TV evangelist, forget about Joel Holstein, any TV evangelist that let's say ends up with a mega church, right, that donated money is supposed to, of course, maintain the church, the building them and the ministry. You know, you got electric bills, you got water, you got so and so forth. Right. All right. Now, any extra money aside from maintaining the church and the ministry, you know, if you got that kind of money coming in, hey, that's a lot of food for the food pantries and the soup kitchens. I don't know, I totally mean it. You know what I mean? And I respect that guy for giving back to the community. Like, let's say, let's say a famous basketball player becomes, let's say he becomes a Christian, you know, and he wants to do some for his old neighborhood, but maybe he wants to build a boys club, boys and girls club. Right. You know, I think that's fantastic. I agree. Given back to the poor neighborhood that you grew up in, you know, I mean, I agree with, but you got to realize the TV event, George, that are on TV, okay, or even having big churches, they're making money. Okay. What are they doing with it? So they're going to make money at the beginning. Yeah. What are they doing with it? You know, one thing, it's not my job. I don't worry about that. You just do what you do best and what you need to do for yourself and when you leave. As a believer, you have to grow, you have to be in the word. Okay. You have to pray. You have to find and build up the body of Christ and you have to be a witness for Christ. If you're doing that thing, you're running your race. Right. Okay. That's my job. That's what I want to do. Right. Now, well, that, that's not right. Yeah. Well, that's more for another show, you know, getting into the Christian aspect, the religious aspect, as far as creativity goes, a few people that are not familiar with Ken create is he literally dissects a song and he tailors his performance to the song, to the beats, to different highs and lows in the song. And it's just amazing how he does it. Of course, he spends time listening to the song many times until he knows the song like the back of his hand, you know, and then he just and that's basically it. Now, you've added props since you first started using props, of course. Right. You were introduced to new things that you mastered. People are unaware that it took time for you to master the dancing cane to the point where you could do two of them. But I mean, yeah, well, I'm working on for you right now. But you know what impressed me, honestly, what impressed me, of course, the two canes was a tremendous ability. But what impressed me is how you did one dancing cane at a high speed. And in the other hand, you had a delight or a firefly. Right. You had another you did it at Jimmy D's working with Cooper's Dignity over at that biker bar. Jimmy D's in, I guess, was North Bergen, New Jersey. And you were doing that. And you were that's the first time I see you do that, where you're working a light with one hand. Okay. And you had the dancing cane. And the other hand. All right. All right. Being able to work the two of them two different props in each hand. To me, that was amazing. And thank you very well. Thanks. We're gonna have to cut this baby. Finish up there. Okay. Because I got a big day tomorrow. Okay. Well, any, any last word you have about creativity? Yeah, we summed it up. Okay. All right. Thank you for joining us. And I'll see you again. Okay. All right. Bye. 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