 When did Cass Penning come into your life? He came into my life when I was about 18, very, very young, very, you know, me. At that time I used to get around on roller skates. It may look odd, it may sound odd, but yes, I used to ride roller skates for my transport. But once I went training to Canning Town, I think it was my land, these two skinners, but the opposite side of me, but they came over the side I was on, I was minding my own, I didn't even care about what was going on there. I knew there were skinners, and then Cass came from where he was over, and they went off, but in his book he sexed it up. I put some VAT on top of it. They say they had knives. Ado says they had guns and fucking grenades, but Ado says they had everything. You know what I mean, tried to sex it up and put it in his book on what he'd done, but I said Cass, he worked like that. I was on the skate, minding my own business, nothing. I must be very, very stupid. There was movement close to me, but I'm stupid. That's what my mum calls me, it's very stupid, but sometimes you've got to be stupid to catch smart. So I just minded my own, Cass came over, and they went about their business, but yeah, put it in his book, yeah. Yeah, he's been a good friend of yours for 30 years. Very, very good, very, very good. I'm glad I met him with him, that kind of sound. I never stopped being friends as well.