 Good afternoon everybody. It's four o'clock. I'll call the plan commission meeting to order Call the roll Alder Mitchell Kim Dave Jerry Maryland city engineer. All right Everybody's here. If you're able can you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? All right, good afternoon everybody First item of business is approval of the minutes from our last meeting at February 28th. Is there such motion? So motion second any discussion seeing none all those in favor of approving minutes date. I The objection chair votes. I the minutes are approved All right, it's next application for conditional use with exceptions by concoctious construction to construct a new converted Covered excuse me covered drive-through canopy at Camp Evergreen located at 27 26 2776 North 31st place Steve. All right. Thanks, ma'er So Camp Evergreen is here is today as well as posh construction What we're taking a look at is they are looking to construct a new drive-through canopy Several years ago. They came to the plan commission and they're located along a patch of drive in North 31st place And their original driveway was just on the south end So if you if we could get a pictures of the site plan on the screen that'd be fantastic and so so the Driveway was on the south end of the parcel There we go. Thank you. And so they recently came in and were able to Get approved a new driveway and the reason for that new driveway as their facility is up here and Some may or may not know but Camp Evergreen deals with a number of people that have disabilities So oftentimes we're bringing wheelchair accessible vans and different things like that to the site to get people to and from the site So it was a big deal to get them from this driveway over here to the new driveway that allowed closer access to The building now they are looking at constructing a new covered patio especially for times of inclement weather It can be kind of dangerous and and and difficult to transfer some of the people with the disabilities into the Facilities so now in this inclement weather They would have this canopy that will match much of the materials of the existing building You can see some of the stone and different things like that with the canopy so it's dressed up nice You can see these are the some of the examples of The workers and the clients who are attending and in inclement weather how that could be a challenge So this canopy will rectify many of those issues So staff was recommending approval of the conditional use subject to the conditions you have and the applicants are here I don't believe there's any neighbors here for this one. Okay, anyone from Camp Evergreen mark Steve you pretty much summed it all up I'm mark from Camp Evergreen and the circular driveway has been just amazing We've had that for a number of years now and for our campers to be dropped off that close. It's just absolutely amazing And the canopy or a portico Will keep them dry. We have people that get unloaded from wheelchair vans and personal vehicles and They get rained on they get snowed on There's also the question of you know snow removal, which of course we take care of but it's never perfect and Keep that whole area under there free of snow and and slipperiness will be ideal. So That's really all there is to it Questions at all on design questions from commission members Motion I'll make that motion to approve good work camp evergreen Motion second final thoughts seeing none. All those in favor of approval stay die any objection chair vote side. That's approved. Thank you All right, number six application for conditional use exceptions by Abigail less Brince to convert the single-family residence into a two-family residence as 2002 North 20th Steve. All right. Thanks, Mayor Abigail less Brince is here and Samuel leapack and they are the Owners of the single-family home at 2002 North 20th Street. So you can have some pictures. I there's a neighbor here as well on this one there So what they are looking to do is they're looking to renovate the property and looking to reside in the lower half and have the ability to rent the upper portion some of the things that they will do as part of the Approval will be to pave some of the parking areas in the back right now. There's just a smaller garage and And and so you can kind of see the small garage and there's a little bit of gravel And so what they would be looking to do is to you know, potentially add some paving so that they can have You know that there's a little bit of trailer and boat and oftentimes we have that they can have that those Equipment in that backyard, but it typically has to be on a paved surface and that's some of the things that they would be looking at other than that they're looking to Separate the areas separate heating cooling Adding stoves to the the kitchen to the upper level looking to stain the house Replace some of the wooden railings and do some additional landscaping. So so other than that and and The plant Commission should be aware that I believe in the early 2000s that this had been previously used as a duplex a different owner had converted it to a single family. So these guys are looking at Converting it back into the duplex and staff was recommending approval the only item that we may want to discuss and have the applicants Comment on is we are talking about having the gravel areas paved by September 29th of 2023 and just thought I'd like to hear what they might have to say as their plans with that All right, does the apple can have any additional information that seemed like a pretty reasonable time frame for the pavement in the backyard there We have been reaching out to some concrete Contractors and hopefully we can get something done, you know within the within the spring or summer time frame so any tenants would be able to Stay off the gravel and hopefully stay up the street as well Jerry Thank you, Mayor Could you walk us through a little more about how you run to split up the parking in the back? You know which portion will you use which will be available for the tenant tenants after paving? Just so we have an idea of how that will be divided up. Sure. Yeah So we kind of initially thought a 24 by 24 inch or a foot slab for in the back There is a single car garage there that most likely we would use we've also thought of the idea of Planning the slab to Possibly be poured for an actual garage at one point in in the future So the the slab itself should accommodate three vehicles So we have two cars and the upstairs is a single It's a single bedroom. So most likely between be one or two cars as well So there should be enough there where everybody would be able to park Yeah, thank you Additional comments from commission members Are there anyone from the public here wishing to speak sure Would you be able to come to the microphone? I just had a question. I have an offense up there And I know that the parking has to be or that over the driveway has to be a certain distance from the fence Otherwise it has to drop down to four feet and be 50% open Yeah, are you in the home to the south or to the north to the south to the south? So basically the the the dropping down of the fence is usually at Intersections so or in front yards or corner lots So they could technically the fence technically whether it's you or that Your neighbors could be six feet high in the rear yard along the alley the Setback for the paving would need to be a minimum of three feet from your property line Okay, and then it can stay the way it is the fence Yeah, and is that your fence my fence? Yes. Yes There wouldn't be anything that they would be touching on your end And so if your fence is six feet high, it's allowed to be there and you would have to do anything to your stuff Okay, that's the only question Thank you. Thank you motions comments from commission members Well, I'm sorry I make a motion to approve subject to staff recommendations Motion and second final thoughts seeing none all those in favor of approval stay dived Any objection chair votes aye that is approved. Thank you. Thank you Number seven application for condition use and sign permits with exceptions by graphic house to install new signage at Associated Bank located at 1217 North Taylor Drive Steve All right So we're taking a look at the Associated Bank This is at the Northeast intersection of Wilgus and Taylor Drive So Marcus theater is kind of kitty corner the gas station over here And so what they're looking at is they have a number of existing signs. There's two existing monument signs There are three existing directional signs, and then there are a couple smaller signs on the ATM Um Associated Bank is in the process of rebranding and along with that rebranding. They're hopeful to Change the design of their existing sign So all these signs are existing that we're talking about replacing the reason why they're here today is that the maximum height for Monument sign is eight feet tall And when they came in about 10 12 years ago for the signs you see here today They also came in at that time for a Variance and that was to have it nine feet three inches So the sign itself is basically the same height as what's there now the other So these are the two Monument signs they're looking to replace So again, those are located at the driveway along Taylor and then at the intersection of Wilgus and Taylor Then they're taking a look at the directional signage So you can see the existing three signs that they're looking at The directional signage they are changing from nine square feet to 12 square feet and the maximum size on that is nine square feet So they are asking for three additional Feet on that so they are asking for a variance on that and then they're just replacing the ATM signage the thought process where They're at with regards to the variances is you can kind of see the Intersection at Wilgus and Taylor and there are a number of different Turning movements in that area in a lot of short distances signal here signal here And so the idea was to a rebrand But to also provide some larger directional signage so that it makes it easier for their clients or whomever to know exactly Where the ingress egress points are on there so staff was Recommending approval of the conditional use permits the signs and the exceptions that are requested So the applicants here and I believe did that and there's a neighbor here as well on this one Does the applicant have any additional Information add Okay, thank you. You went from the public wishing to speak on this one Dave and Jerry Yeah, I'm just curious are you is the whole sign gonna be redone because the ones you have right now because I drop off a Night deposit there after making spirits bright. They're a little dim. I'm just wondering are you relighting those as well? Okay, the two main monument signs. We're gonna reuse the existing base take off the top cabinet and put a brand new cabinet on top That's lit with LEDs. So it should be a little more visible. Great. I'm sure it'll look very nice Thank you. Yeah Just out of curiosity. What exactly is changing about the sign? It's a great question. It is kind of hard to tell so the new logo for associate bank If you look to the right of our drawing or rendering on the bottom It's actually rounded on each end where the old cabinet is just a square box Oh, so their new branding is making it more radius on the ends Got it. Okay. Thank you Everyone was thinking it Jerry asked Motions make a motion to approve all the staff recommendations second motion and second Seeing none all those in favor state. I have any objections chair votes. I that's approved. Thank you All right, I debate Application for conditional use permit with exceptions by HR construction company to construct and operate a new car wash quick lube and emissions Testing facility at the Sheboygan Auto Group property located at 270 one Washington Avenue Steve all right Thanks, mayor. So we're taking a look at Hey Jason good timing So so we have representatives from Sheboygan Chevy and Excel engineering who are here for this particular project in September of 2022 the applicants were here and the plan commission had previously approved this project subsequent to that they did some budgeting and the numbers came out maybe a little bit higher than they were Anticipating so they're coming back and the really the only change to the Structure itself is that previously they had two car wash bays on this East side of the facility and we'll see that in the drawing But now they're only going to have one car wash bay They'll have three oil changes and then if anyone's been there I guess one of the things is is that the emissions do quite a bit of They do a lot of emissions there and that's in the GM building correct and and so that this will take the emissions on over to this building so presently they have There's two facilities the car wash and the oil change and now they're basically looking at Constructing all of that into the one facility. So like I said, the plan commission had opportunity to prove this in 2022 the only thing that's changed is right here is there was that second car wash bay it's a single bay now so staff was recommending approval of the proposal and The conditions and the applicants are here if anyone has any questions All right, any thoughts from the applicant Questions from commission members Jerry. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I was just at the facility on yesterday actually to get my Admissions the question I have about the new location will either You have the choice to go into the emissions lane Can the other lane handle any overflow in case you get back to black at the end of the month? Could they take on some emission testing as well? Would you be able would you be able to come to the microphone just so we can get you on Thank you So that's a really good question because we've been in contact with the state the state is the one that Provides us with the computers. We're doing right now. We're doing about a hundred and forty emission tests a day so We're one of the only ones doing it right now So this is going to alleviate so much of our traffic into our service Well, at least hat for our customers. They'll have two lanes now to drive in for service But the other thing that's going to do is when they come around I mean a wrap around all the way back to our stop lights sometimes During the day when it's so busy and I mean I have two people that when it gets that busy I call another person in so that I have two stations going at one time So I will have two stations set up at our other location We're trying to let them give us another computer Which I think they're going to do because they fund that computer And I do believe that they are going to do it so I can have one other lane If we don't have a lot of oil changes that I'm able to bring that person up I mean the ultimate thing would be to have one in each lane so that they can have their oil change done and their Emissions test done so because while they're doing the oil change We could just do the emission test if for the ones that have it But not everyone comes for an oil change at the same time they do their emissions. So but the state I do believe the state is going to give us another computer So I will have one lane for sure And if that goes well, then maybe they'll give us more because As far as I know from what they told us we do more emissions tests in the state than any other facility In Wisconsin, so what I think that's also the you brought up the bigger question I've been in that oil change line when it's three four cars deep in each line So then what do you are they still going to have to go around to get like a wheel line? No, all of the nicest and this is probably the nicest thing of our new quick loop Our employees right now they have a spot probably that deep that they have to get on a It's like a little bike and roll up underneath it The new facility has its actual there's a room underneath So there's no more of that for them So it's going to be so much nicer for our employees each of our oil change Lanes will have an actual lift so we're able to do tire rotations right there on the spot So they don't have to pull in then get their oil changed and then pull out and drive around to our last lane That we had to lift on and back then that was state-of-the-art and now it's I mean like I say that was 20 24 years ago when we built the other one. So Like I say, it's just it's time it and it's a nice Facility we're gonna be able to do a few more things for our customers in here that we couldn't do We will have a little waiting lounge So if people don't want to sit in their car they can actually get out and go over and sit a lounge and There's their computer Things like that. So it's it's gonna be a lot nicer and up-to-date Facility Which I think will benefit our employees and our customers. So thank you Sounds good up. Can you tell me when is the least busy time for emission? Is someone asking I And I will tell you it's it is hit or miss but generally if you get there right away in the morning We don't we'll have maybe three four cars if you come at lunchtime I mean, it's it's it's crazy how it is and the beginning of the month in the end of the month are just wild because The ones that just get them that want to get their stuff done right away They're there and at the end. It's the people that procrastinate and oh, I gotta get that done So I'm not late. So hey Jerry. It is the end of the month The middle of the month and how early do you open seven we the It runs from 7 30 until 4 30. Thank you So what we're gonna but what we're gonna try and do is with one or with our quick lane being open We're gonna try and keep our hours of our quick Lou Bandy missions the same So I'll have more people there that I I'm hoping to get more people trained on doing Emissions testing so that we can keep it open a little bit longer and it'll open a little bit earlier for our customers So cool. Can I make the motion to approve subject to staff recommendations? There you go. Is there a second? Second all right motion second final thoughts Can I ask one question? Hey Jason anything up dumpster? Is are we going with? the masonry and You can and then I didn't know if there was anything up with Vacuums, I know there's vacuums now. I think the last time we said there wasn't going to be any back Yeah, we had decided that we weren't gonna we're gonna take that vacuum out and not have a vacuum at all I was just looking at that sheet. I think it was AC 1.2. I think that was a enclosure. So Yeah, okay. All right, correct. Is that for the Dumpster enclosure. Yeah, so that's going on the corner of the building here. Yeah, okay Sounds good There's been a motion second all those in favor state I In the opposition chair votes. I that's approved All right item number nine general ordinance 29 22 23 by older person's prela granting Sheboygan self storage LLC It's successors and assigns the privilege of encroaching upon described portions of south 13th Street in Kentucky Avenue Right of way in the city Sheboygan for the purposes of addressing the existing building structure emergency egress and adding the sunshade feature Steve Thanks, mayor. I'm Joe Bernoski is here from JB site design and he's working on behalf of the owner at 1234 Kentucky so the plan Commission may recall that we had previously Approved certain uses at this building. This is Where they're doing the remodel of the old Wisconsin wood crafters a little bit of mixed use of some mini storage as well as some commercial tenant space One of the variant or the ex one of the encroachments being asked for this evening is for this sunshade that Is a little attractive accent piece to the entrance? And so that is going over the city walkway So they're asking for an encroachment for that accent then they are looking at in the building There are two internal stairways and one of the And their emergency see stairways and one of the stairways is coming off on 13th Street And when it comes off on 13th Street It's coming off in this area and the grades don't allow for it to come out to grade So they're gonna have to build a stoop in the sidewalk area and one of the things that the applicants been working with the engineering department is to work on the city sidewalk so that Would allow the encroachment for the stoop to go next to the building, but then the applicant would Go ahead and change the sidewalk the city walk to just curve around that portion Within the green space in that area So it would allow the applicants to get their emergency stoop in for their emergency access Yet we would still be able to have that sidewalk Basically, the stoop would be approximately in this area and the walk would go into the Into the green space a little bit and then come back over to where it is So there's just a little bit of that section along that doorway that would be changed and the applicants agreed to Relocate that sidewalk and reconstruct it And then I think there was oh the existing structure in just a couple of areas just Exceed it goes over the property line So we are just taking care of those encroachments at this time as well So I can answer any questions and Mr. Bernofsky's here and he could answer any questions as well And Ryan's been involved in this. I'll help us out as well Anything else? Questions comments Kim question about that encroachment at one point does that hangover sort of also work or be thought of as a marquee Coming out over the sidewalk how many feet I Can't I can't remember exactly how many oh the sun actually says it in the sunshades three feet Oh three feet. Okay, and then I think it's 13 feet tall. I believe like height wise Yeah off to sidewalk 13 feet So three feet a wide I think that is you got a you got an image of it We see the same thing Yeah, he has a rendering. It's on that rendering that he had there So that's 13 feet up is there a fee a yearly fee for that to be there the Right The encroachment is a one-time fee one time and it's the dollar per square foot and you and you just pay that once it's not It's not yearly So our encroachment is a legal description that right encompasses that sunshade and the stairs And allows us then to build them in the right away, and we're also picking up There's like 18 inches of the building that's in the right away right now, too If that's three feet wide then at what point does it become Something that's paid for each year as an assessment You're going with the marquee sign That this is an awning. This is an awning and a marquee or a projecting sign pays a fee So this does not have any signage on it. This is strictly An accent piece if there was say for example one two three four Kentucky on that Sunshade then they would pay a yearly fee for the encroachment of that sign projecting in the right away So all of the signs that project into the right away So what I mean by project is oftentimes those signs almost look like a flag coming off the building And if those are in the right away, they pay a yearly fee for those signs in this case It's strictly just an encroachment because it's not considered a sign Additional questions any motions Motion second final thoughts All those in favor state I the objection chair votes aye it's approved Number 10 number 118 22 23 by city clerk submitting an encroachment request for JB site design and engineering LLC Pursuant to the request of the owner of South 13th Street in Kentucky right away for the purpose of addressing the existing building structure emergency egress and adding a sunshade Well, there's a general ordinance and oh, I'm sorry. They're the same. Nope. Oh my bad. We have where government will be We have to do things Basically, we get a resolution and an ordinance. This is doing the same exact thing Staff recommends a for recommending approval. Jerry made a motion. Is there a second? Motion second. I need discussion Seeing none all those in favor state I Know it's all good cheer votes. I it's approved makes it quicker, right? all right ro One five four twenty two twenty three by older persons Felde and flaky Pineski Vacating the east-west alley between South Tennessee and former South Commerce Street located in block Two four three of the original plot Steve. All right, so this is an unimproved alley and At the next plan commission meeting you will probably be seeing the proposed development that you kind of see here with some townhouses along 18th Street and 83 units of 55 and older Apartments on what's referred to as the old capsule building the item that we're talking about this evening is This section of what's referred to as an unimproved alley. You can see that it's all grass There's it's not being utilized as an alley. However on paper It is right away or an alley So what is being requested and the redevelopment authority owns the property right now? and what the city is asking is to vacate that so that the Applicant can then purchase the property and bring this development to you at the next Meeting or two to come before you in order to develop what you see here that Vacation of right away is probably right and about kind of this area here and there will be Things We right now have the bike path that goes to Indiana Avenue And there was always a thought of trying to use the railroad right away to head east and that would include this section And that section would be included in the Development as far as sidewalk and things like that So if we ever do get that link between here and the existing bike path There's an ability to make that connection So staff is recommending that we do vacate the right away or it will and in mayor There the resolution presently has the wrong state statute number. So when we Recommend approval if someone could just amend the resolution to take change the state statute number to sixty six point one zero zero three subparagraph three Okay First we'll start with questions any questions. Okay. So first we need a motion to approve And then there's a second and now we need an emotion to amend to reflect Sixty six point one zero zero three subsection three Is there a second motion in second? All right First we'll vote on the amendment to amend the Resolution to reflect the proper state statute all those in favor of the amendment, please state I Any objection chair votes I the amendment is approved now back to the main motion as amended any questions on the main motion as amended Seeing none all those in favor of approving the motion as amended please state I Any objection chair votes I that item is approved as amended cool next meeting April 11th Sir motion to adjourn Motion second all those in favor of Germans state I Chair votes I were adjourned at 4 3 4