 Hi everyone, welcome to what the episode is going on in Latin America and the Caribbean, Code Pink's weekly YouTube program of hot news out of the region. We have a very special episode for you this evening, and because it is a little different and unique and extraordinarily informative we're very lucky to have this episode tonight. I just want to say a few things before I introduce the program and this particular episode. For those of you watching on social media platforms. If you prefer to So let me start again I apologize we have a zoom audience time as well which is a little different for all of us so I'm going to tell all of you that if you want to listen in Spanish, you can join me soon. I've muted everyone so yeah thank you john or Connor. Okay, so let me, let me start again and what those of you who want Spanish, you can come to the zoom and let me put that in. Michelle, can you put that in the lock code pink. You can find us in Spanish there those of you looking at Facebook, the, the zoom link is in the program description and you can join us there. So, we got rid of all the disturbance. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to try again. Holy shit you look like one of them which is from hocus fucking. Holy shit. There we go. So, let me just start the program now welcome to what the app is going on in Latin America and the Caribbean code pinks weekly YouTube program of hot news out of the region in partnership with common frontiers Council on hemispheric affairs, friends of Latin America, interreligious task force on Central America, Massachusetts peace action and task force on the Americas, we broadcast every Wednesday for 30pm Pacific, 730pm Eastern on code pink YouTube live. You can also find us on Apple podcast Spotify telegram, and that read media.com. Also, I want to give a big shout out to those of you with the anti imperialist action committee who are viewing via a live watch party at the bishops lounge in North Hampton, Massachusetts. That's a first for us and so very fun to have you joining us live from North Hampton. So, let me just tell you a little bit about today's episode it's entitled Alex sob a kid, a kidnap diplomat. And this is a special episode featuring the screening of the documentary film by the same name. And we're going to show you the film. Alex sobbed wife join us with some personal comments from her and then she and Carlos Ron who is the Venezuelan Vice Minister of North America. The two of them will join us for a Q amp a after the film and after Camilla's personal comments. So, if you have comments yourselves. If you're watching via social media, please put it in the chat and we will monitor that. If you're watching, joining us via the zoom transmission, please put your comments and Q amp a, and, and we'll monitor that. So I'm really, we have a very special evening ahead. Let me give you a brief background as to what you're going to be watching. Okay. Alex sob is virtually unknown in the United States where he is currently languishing in a Miami prison, but he has been vital to then, then as well as ability to survive the brutal economic war being waged by the United States. He's a political prisoner whose case has parallels to that of Julian Assange, both have been subjected to the extra judicial reach of the United States authorities as neither one are US citizens and yet are being prosecuted by the United States, there are alleged crimes took place outside of the United States as well. Julian Assange is in jail for telling the truth. Alex sob is in prison for helping feed Venezuelans. The documentary that we're going to show you this evening, Alex sob a kidnapped diplomat is a film directed by Venezuelan journalist and documentary filmmaker Karen Mendez. It focuses on the illegal detention of sob first in Cape Verde and since October 21 in Miami in the United States so it's been a year. October 16 I believe is the act October 16 2021 is the actual date that he was extradited to the United States, or kidnapped is probably the better term to use. So we're going to show you the film. And I'm also going to ask all of you throughout tonight's program to sign our petition where that is urging the Department of US Department of Justice to drop the charges against Alex sob. And we will put the petition in the social media chance as well as share it with you here on zoom. So, let me get the film going. It's about 43 minutes, I think. So, it's extraordinarily well done. It's very informative. So please stay with us through the film. And then I'm going to introduce all of you to Camilla sob Alex's wife she's going to share some personal statements, and also give an update on his situation with all of you. And then as I mentioned before will open up this particular episode to Q&A in which Camilla and Carlos Ron from the basement from the foreign ministry in Venezuela will join us as well. So everyone, let me get this. You can screen share with all of you. Just a minute. And for all of you on the zoom if you could mute yourselves and stop your video while we're showing the film that would be really helpful. And so I'm going to screen share it now. Okay. I'm announcing $52 million in new funding from USAID to support the interim government. Tendieron realizar una invasión por Villa Maritima. Más sanciones, más presión. Y si vamos a sancionar perevesa, tendrá un impacto al pueblo entero. Tenemos en este momento la misma ruta. La presión. Esto viola las leyes internacionales, los acuerdos de la Organización de Naciones Unidas. Las sanciones unilaterales impuestas cada vez en mayor medida por Estados Unidos y la Unión Europea. Y otros países han exacerbado las calamidades antes mencionadas. La mejor resolución sería acelerar el colapso, aunque sea, aunque produzca un periodo de sufrimiento mayor por un periodo de meses o quizás. Somos un país que estamos bien. Y por hacer la lucha política contra un presidente que no se metía con nadie, sino que peso en el pueblo les dio, les dio broncha por ahí. Entonces se quisieron aceler el ataque a donde más le dolía a él, que era su pueblo. Wow, nos afectó fuerte. Nos dio en el estómago, como quien dice, porque el ser humano no está acostumbrado a pasar tanta caridad con la alimentación. Nosotros nos tocó utilizar el plátano. El plátano que llegó un momento a la escasez, porque era lo que había para comer. El plátano que hasta las conchas las sancochábamos y con un tenedor las flecábamos. Y eso lo utilizábamos con sus aliñitos para hacer carne mechada. Sabes que es duro que tú escuches a tu vecina con su carajito. Bueno, que le mete la teta, se la metió y se cayó por un rato, ¿verdad? Pero como haces con el otro? Con el que ya tiene dientes, con el que te jala la batica. Uchacha, eso fue un momento horrible. Es porque tú no encuentras que metenla en la boca ese muchacho. Eso fue un daño horroroso, que intretendían matarnos. Casi que nos mata, pero no pudo. Claro, sí hubo muchas personas que no se aguantaron, más que todas las personas mayores. Sí, fallecieron muchas personas. Primero por la desnutrición, la falta de alimentación, la falta de las medicinas. Perdimos muchas, muchas vidas con ese bloqueo. Ocho de cada diez medicamentos escasean en el país. Encontrar analgésicos, antibióticos o antipartensivos puede implicar recorrer varias farmacias y muchas veces quedarse con las manos vacías. Yo tengo cinco hijos varones y una hembra. Pero en ese momento uno de mis hijos tengo tres que son diabéticos. Y uno tenía la enfermedad más avanzada a raíz del bloqueo, no se le conseguían las medicinas, no se podía comer la comida que él necesitaba. Y a raíz de eso, él murió porque se me deterioró. Y tengo ya tres hijos que han muerto. A raíz de todo este proceso, era difícil. España es medicamento, la comida, transporte. O sea, todo fue algo catastrófico en Venezuela como tal. Hay niños que mueren porque no tienen una medicina o porque no pueden ir a practicarse una intervención fuera del país como lo hacíamos antes porque nos robaron sitgo, porque nos robaron monómeros, porque nos quedaron recursos, porque nos incautaron el oro en Inglaterra y los niños se mueren. Y de eso no habla la mediática internacional, es una vergüenza. Es decir, ¿dónde están los defensores de los derechos humanos? ¿Dónde están los defensores de los derechos humanos de la ONU, por ejemplo? La gran comisionada, la alta comisionada, ninguno ha servido para nada, todos han sido cómplices. Hoy después nos cae la pandemia y nos viene como quien dice el encierro y sin dinero, sin comida, sin medicina, niños pequeños. Los enfermos, los abuelos, ya fue fuerte. También está el que nos dejaran sin energía eléctrica, por ejemplo. O sea, es para nosotros, yo lo miro así, que estoy en medio de la gente y que siempre vivo en los barrios. Pareciera que cuando llegó la pandemia a Venezuela, era una pandemia más. Era muy difícil. Venezuela sufrió estos tremendos ataques, estas mal llamadas sanciones, la medida que orcieron la netra área imposta por los Estados Unidos. Y era muy difícil ver que el pueblo venezolano estaba enfrentando todas estas dificultades, porque a los Estados Unidos realmente no le importaba y no le importa lo que sienten las personas. Para ello, lo único importante es lograr sus objetivos. Alex Zapp, representante legal de Fondo Global de Construcciones. ¿Qué hizo el Estado? El Estado se apoyó de una figura que evidentemente venía trabajando con el Estado, pero se apoyó de Alex Zapp dándole el cargo de diplomático como tal y este puso toda su estructura en función de la importación de estos medicamentos, de este combustible, de estos alimentos a Venezuela. Lo que hacía Alex era aliviar, trayendo alimentos, medicinas. En el momento de la pandemia, también insumos para enfrentar la pandemia el COVID-19 y también combustible. En el año 2018, abril del 2018, Alex Zapp es nombrado, enviado especial de Venezuela y este es una copia de su nombramiento oficial como enviado especial de Venezuela. ¿Qué hacía Alex Zapp? Alex Zapp ejecutaba un sin número de tareas humanitarias, misiones humanitarias, que eran encomendadas por el presidente y también por el canciller. Una de las cosas que tenemos que preguntarnos es ¿Cómo es posible con semejante bloqueo nosotros continuáramos sobreviviendo con alimentos y con medicina? Es casa, sí, claro, lógico, porque lo que podía pasar era muy poco comparado con lo que necesitábamos como país, pero ¿Cómo es posible que sí, que sin embargo a nuestros sectores, a estos sectores populares donde estamos, la medicina llegaba como fuera, por lo menos lo elemental para atender las enfermedades principales y ahí aguantamos. Eso se notaba, había detrás como una mano mágica que hacía que eso aconteciera. De ahí sale la propuesta del presidente de implementar una cascla. Los granos sirvieron como mucho apoyo y ayuda tanto en las proteínas como en la alimentación, la medicina. ¿Para qué? Para que por lo menos el pueblo se sintiera un poco más tranquilo. Mira, eso te trae leche, leche, aceite, azúcar, arroz y un paquete, harina, los legumbres, lo que como es mi leguminosa que me ande haciendo todos los granos, hasta harina y trigo, una vez trajo mayonesa, todavía no, perdón, todavía trae la mayonesa, salsa de tomate, café. ¿Qué más quieren ustedes por esa bolsa que lo que te cuesta es un 7 boliva? Vimos la lua final del camino y bueno, nos les pegamos la trail, aprendimos otra vez. Llega la bolsa y me da escala frío, y la gente, la comunidad salía como desesperada. Y entonces te veía como un dios. En lo que tú pasabas a la notificación, te veía y me da escala frío porque lo viví, te veía así como que un dios llegó la bolsa, vamos a tener por lo menos unos días de descanso, de no manecer en la calle. El régimen de Nicolás Maduro implementó los comités locales de abastecimiento y producción CLAP promocionando lo como un programa soberano de alimentación a la población, pero la verdad es que se convirtió en un escandaloso negocio y un medio para chantajear a los más vulnerables. Se rendían a un mayor preso de lo que valen, se negaba su acceso a los simpatizantes de la oposición. Eso fue un cuento del camino, eso fue mucha mentira porque aquí dentro de las comunidades siempre ha habido chavistas y también se encuentran escuálidos. Y cuando uno hizo el censo, uno lo censo a todos por igual, de que ellos, de que muchos renunciaban porque decían que una bolsa de comida no los iba a comprar, era otra cosa. Los mercados contenían en muchas ocasiones alimentos vencidos en mal estado y de mala calidad. Los alimentos distribuidos tienen una calidad dudosa e incluso han denunciado que llegan con larvas y gorgojos. La crítica internacional fue toda. Comida mala, comida que no servía, comida dañada, la carne que venía mala y dañada. La harina no sirve porque no era harina tan. Las granos, hasta cuándo las enteras, hasta cuándo las pepitas, mi hermana, si eso es el potencial más grande de alimentos que tiene un grano, tú no te imaginas a los perros. A los perros son ellos. Los perros son ellos sin vergüenza. Este barco es el FORTUN y es el primero de los cinco buques iraníes cargados de gasolina que ha entrado en aguas territoriales de Venezuela. Hay que ver lo que significa la alegría que sentíamos cuando decían que venían los barcos de Iran y que ya están llegando y que llegó la gasolina. Eso pareció como cuando pede besa, cuando se prendió el mechurrio y empezaba a sonar las cornetas de las gandolas, algo parecido. Fue emocionante, fue bonito. Venezuela, detrás de esos barcos, estaba a les up negociando. Detrás de la comida que llegaba cuando todas las navieras nos las castigaron pues les prohibieron entrar a Venezuela, ahí estaba Alex jugándoselas por el país. Ellos evidentemente vieron que Venezuela no se rendía, no seguía trayendo alimento, el pueblo venezolano seguía luchando y ellos dijeron quién está ayudando a Venezuela a burlar estas sanciones. Evidentemente encontraron a Alex. Vieron a él como un enemigo y era necesario capturarlo, custodiarlo como el mismo ex secretario de Defensa ex-F de Pentágono Marquesber escribió en su libro Confesón, su libro que Alex estaba en una misión diplomática y que era necesario custodiarlo para entender la ruta del gobierno de Maduro. Alex venía ejecutando esas acciones de tal forma que fue ubicado por las autoridades de Estados Unidos pero para este momento 9 de abril del 2018 todavía Venezuela y Estados Unidos tenían relaciones diplomáticas un año después casi Estados Unidos y Venezuela rompen relaciones diplomáticas, es decir en el 2019 enero del 2019 y ese mismo año en julio se le imponen las primeras sanciones por parte de la OFAC a Alex. El 25 Julio de 2019 llega después de amenaza que si Alex no paraba de traer alimento entonces van a sancionar a su familia este 25 Julio de 2019 ellos sancionan a sus hermanos sus hermanos, sus hijos 8 años la amenaza siguieron y le dijeron que iban también a perseguir a su familia a mi. A nosotros no sancionaron los Estados Unidos yo perdí, digamos, que todo lo que pudiera tener la mujer comercial nadie quiere trabajar conmigo fácil trabajar todos nos miran y nos preparamos para lo visto y por la gracia de eso y así fue en el 2019 empezó esta investigación contra mí en Italia una investigación que no tiene no tiene ni cabeza, ni ni pie, no tiene nada es una investigación que no ellos ni siquiera me dieron el derecho a mi de defenderme no hay crimen presupuesto en esta locura de Italia ni siquiera me dieron el derecho de la presunción de inocencia en una parada técnica en la ruta caracas de herana autoridades de Cabo Verde detienen al diplomático Alexab te pregunto en el periodo de la pandemia teniendo un hogar tranquilo, feliz con una niña que acababa de nacer con tus hijos sabiendo sancionado perseguido tú te arriesgarías a ir en una misión diplomática entre dos países sancionado por los Estados Unidos y entonces yo califico Alex como valentía pura ese es Alex el único pecado delfa haberse puesto del lado de un pueblo que estaba siendo acosado por parte del imperio nor de americano habría salido de caracas rumbo a iran pero por cuestiones de combustible hizo una parada técnica precisamente aquí en la isla donde ya había una orden de captura emitida por la Interpol que no existía una orden de detención de Cabo Verde no existía una orden de detención de Interpol y además la orden de detención de los Estados Unidos no mencionaba a Alex como objeto de detención por primera vez en la historia del mundo nosotros podemos decir que se llegó a detener a un funcionario diplomático y se le sometió a una prisión en el tiempo como ha sido sometido el diplomático venezolano Alex una vez que el gobierno venezolano informó a Cabo Verde el diplomático Cabo Verde ignoró esa información y mantuvo la detención que el gobierno venezolano le informó que se trataba de un diplomático la violación más grasa en este caso es el artículo 29 de la convención de Viena sobre las relaciones diplomáticas el artículo 29 todos los agentes diplomáticos de un gobierno están protegidos por esa convención y que es totalmente ilegal de tenerlos no arrestarlos o llevarlos al juicio detenerlos en mi carrera no hay visto algo semejante existen casos en que por error detienen un diplomático el país informa de sus datos lo arreglan pero aquí Cabo Verde escogió y ignorara venezuela porque ellos quieren obviamente que Alex Zab vaya y entreguen mucha información de que el podría tener sobre todo el régimen de Nicolás Maduro pues ahí Jairo se prendería digamos un ventilador porque el verdadero Pez Gordo es Maduro con toda su gente de acuerdo que Zab es una ficha clave en el entramado un testigo clave pero Estados Unidos su interés máximo no es Alex Zab su interés máximo tiene que ser Maduro y el régimen y la gente que lo acompaña y los países que han estado alrededor de todo eso la nación más poderosa del mundo que ya han gastado millones, millones de veintia, agencias de seguridad escuchan los teléfonos ellos saben absolutamente todo y no tienen pruebas por cambiar el plan Gerardo, ¿quién es realmente Alex Zab para el régimen de Nicolás Maduro? Es un empresario clave para la supervivencia del régimen de Nicolás Maduro que todo lo resolvía Zab, si faltaba leche que llamaran a Zab, si faltaba gasolina, que eso lo solucionara Zab las sanciones mataron que las consecuencias de las sanciones son gravísimas pues, ¿quién estaba tratando de disminuir el impacto de las sanciones Alex Zab? por lo tanto había que quitarlo del camino por eso yo creo que es algo algo político que no tiene nada que ver con el derecho ni compartimiento de criminalidad el Comité de Derechos Humanos yo era el secretario del Comité de Derechos Humanos en su época y yo redacted un sinumero de medidas provisorias en que se le pide a un estado que no lleve a cabo la penada de muerte no deporte a una persona no extravita a una persona pues el Comité lo hizo por Alex Zab y tanto los Estados Unidos como Cabo Verde cerrieron de Comité de Derechos Humanos la Corte Africana también decidió que no podía extravitarse y que había que soltarlo primer porque goza inmunidad inviulabilidad en razão do principio da no injurencia de corrente da carda da ONU y de seu estatuto de enviado especial uma vez que no momento de sua detenção estava executar uma missão estacial em nome da República da Venezuela e não era objeto de um mandato de detenção ou mesmo de um alerta vermelho em Cabo Verde el presidente de Cabo Verde le dijo a la prensa de su país que nunca en la historia había recibido tantas llamadas de presión internacional como las que ha recibido por el caso de Alex Zab isso confirma la dimension politico de este asunto e ademas hay que realizarse que lo que sucedió en Cabo Verde es un presidente muy peligroso para el derecho internacional la imunidad diplomatica está ahí para servir la paz e la posibilidad de negociaciones pacífico entre estados se uno viola este principio entonces todos los robados en el mundo están en problema porque Alex no es un poco es un mensaje para todas las personas que quieren ayudar a Venezuela que ayudan a Venezuela que esto le puede pasar también a ellos si tu ayudas a Venezuela entonces te vamos a secuestrar te vamos a vestir de naranja te vamos a mostrar ante todo el mundo como un criminal porque tu fuiste en contra de los intereses de los estados unidos en una cárcel la peores torturas y en la peores condiciones el estuvo tirados en un piso en una cárcel llena de animales de insectos de la peores cosas estuvo durmiendo en un pedazo de cemento donde el gince con que el viajó este 12 de junio fue su almohada por 7 meses en la primera carta que recibí de Alex 3 días sin saber de él él me escribía una carta contándome toda la tortura que sufrió en el calaboso donde fue torturado lo primero 3 días en la isla de sal en Cabo Verde ahí empezó a decirme que debía firmar la extradición voluntariamente como yo me negaba siempre agarró una bolsa de plástico azul y me la puso en la cabeza la apretaba ahogándome cada vez se ponía más bravo habiando más con él pero tenían capucha no le vi la cara ni hablaron él decía que uno de esto era gringo y que se me iba y colaboraba no iba a estar preso allá me seguí negando y entonces me puso una toalla en la cabeza y empezaron a echarme agua los otros me detenían asiento tal calculo estuve varias horas total me decía me iba a matar firmar la extradición y una declaración contra el gobierno de Venezuela acusándolo de corrupto además de esto Alex es un sobreviviente de cáncer de estómago es un paciente oncológico en lo primero 3 meses el perdió 26 kilos de peso hasta el día de hoy Alex no recibe atención médica no recibe ningún tipo de asistencia médica en Cabo Verde cuando tratamos de hacerle llegar su doctoro oncológico ellos lo devolvieron yo ya miré Alex con muy imatoma de su cuerpo estaba con imatoma en su brazo Alex tenía imatoma en su testa Alex tenía muy muy muy imatoma en su cuerpo entonces tenía un día que el mismo Alex se apelió muy muy muy muy con con el diretor y él estaba a decir el diretor porque que tu permite que los personas, los americanos entre mi cárcer para mi torturar para que yo abra las cosas que yo no voy a hablar para que yo abra las cosas que yo no lo so y que ellos quieren de mi entonces tenía un día que Alex se apelió muy muy muy con el diretor si yo a mañana si yo no se vivo si es tu que es culpado porque tu estás permitiendo que personas entre mi cárcer para mi torturar desde el momento que fue secuestrado evidentemente habían agentes extranjeros hablaban inglés que le pegaban, le partieron las muelas, le cortaron las muñecas, le cortaron también los tobillos le hacían moretones le entraban a cualquier hora de la noche él no pudía caminar solo tenías presos que que a veces que venga con Alex que tenía a él en su brazo para Alex podía demostrar las cosas para él porque él no pudía caminar solo Alex una noche le entraron en la celda en esta celda 2 metro por metro en medio y le empezaron a cortar a torturarlo y a cortarle las muñecas, los tobillos el día siguiente denuncia esto a los abogados le comunican esto al director de la prisión el director de la prisión dice que contesta que Alex se estaba autoinfligiendo estas heridas solo entonces los abogados pidieron que fuera un porque lo mismo abogado vieron que Alex no se estaba autoinfligiendo nada estaba lleno de moretones entonces los abogados pidieron que una ONG de Cabo Verde vaya a visitar a Alex esta ONG logra visitar a Alex y confirma que Alex nos estaba autoinfligiendo eran heridas infligida por alguien mas porque estaba lleno de moretones los brazos estaban totalmente morados la cortadas vio que no era Alex pero después esta ONG desapareció evidentemente fue amenazada nosotros no pudimos mas encontrarla la cancelaron de Cabo Verde después que Alex denuncio que estaba golpeada y dentro ellos no deixaron Alex mas escribir el director decidió quitarle lo unico derecho que Alex tenia que era usar un lapicero porque asi el no podia ni siquiera mas escribir a nosotros que era la unica manera para comunicarse entonces los otro preso le lanzaban desde la solidariedad un poco en contra de todo lo que estaban haciendo con Alex entonces Alex desde el hueco de su celda le lanzaban la caneta la caneta en portugues le lanzaban este lapicero adentro de la celda muchos prensos pidieron ayuda a Alex para decir verdad ellos ayudaron muchos presos sus familias que estaban fuera yo posso decir Alex esta una persona increible una persona muy buena una persona que estaba dentro ellos ayudaron los otros Alex en la cárcel después de haber sido torturado de haber sido incomunicado y todo esto el me manda una carta pidiendo contando bien que había un compañero al lado de el que era epiléctico y que el lo escuchaba toda la noche teniendo estos ataques y que nadie lo iba a ver y que el estaba muy preocupado y lo único que pensó Alex era pedir ayuda a nosotros para el, para su compañero y el tribunal de CDO no dio provimento al recurso y mantenía su decisión de marzo ultimo que ordena libertación inmediata de Alex Saab la Cour de la CDO canté la rechue de Alex Saab l'examiné la Cour a deliberé tous les 5 juges de la Cour on participa la deliberation y on decidé que Alex Saab son liberé un gouvernement un gouvernement un tribunal de justicia de la Comisión Económica de África Occidental tuvo que emitir dos pronunciamiento y eso es importante decirlo porque esta es una tribunal que sus decisiones son de obligatorio de cumplimiento para los países partes y Cabo Verde es un país parte entonces este tribunal decidió que el caso de Alex Saab es un caso ilegal y que debe ser liberado de manera inmediata por las cantidades de violaciones al debido proceso que se verificó si algún periodista si algún medio ha llevado adelante una profunda investigación sobre los quehaceres de este individuo en el mundo de la corrupción ha sido el portal Armando.info y dentro de este equipo puntualmente el periodista Roberto Dennis yo deportaban médicos, abogados no dejaron entrar a mi, a su esposa a las niñas, no dejaron entrar también si no dieron una visa diplomática reconociendo el estado diplomático de Alex Cabo Verde no dio una visa diplomática pero después nos amenazaron y no pudimos ir a Cabo Verde quien dejaron entrar fue a este supuesto periodista y nada él lleva desde hace año esta campaña de desprestigio contra Alex evidentemente nosotros sabemos que un periodista que ha financiado por contar mentiras contra Alex para que esta mentira se vuelva una realidad estuviste recién en Cabo Verde que pudiste ver nada más llegar a Cabo Verde Miguel, es muy fácil comprobar toda la maquinaria de propaganda y de desinformación que hay de parte del chavismo y de parte de la defensa de Alex Hab como bien dices Hab siempre su defensa se ha quejado de las condiciones en las que está él está como dije antes en un townhouse de un risor es un risor turístico que se llama Vila Verde obviamente ese risor nos fue escogido al azar en Cabo Verde depende mucho del turismo ahorita hay pocos turistas los ofesos facilitan las labores de seguridad pero evidentemente tiene que estar mejor ahí que en una prisión no es verdad, nada es verdad a partir de eso pasamos a beber un auténtico terror tenía un día que tenía un policía que le hice para la que yo no entiendo mero de ti y yo tengo arde para matar si tú estás a pensar alguna cosa uno de los momentos más difíciles que podemos decir que vivió Alex estando en prisión además de las torturas que a la que fue víctima fue el hecho de conocer la muerte de su padre y su madre con pocos días la muerte de uno y otro a causa de que de esta pandemia que asotó a la población yo no entiendo palabra para explicarte como estaba él el más que yo hablo tú no consigas entender como él estaba él estaba muy triste, estaba llorando mucho primera vez que Alex siempre estaba muy nervioso con las cosas que estaba a pasar con él que estaba muy injusto pero en este día fue peor yo pensaba que Alex iba a tener un ataque cardíaco yo pensaba que él iba a morir uno de los momentos más doloroso para Alex fue la pérdida de su padre y la pérdida de 9 días uno del otro uno meses antes de su padre él perdió también a su primo que era como un hermano Serhan y Serhan había quedado cuadriplégico en un accidente en Colombia una de la última petición que ha hecho Serhan antes de dejarlo fue pedir la liberación de Alex con la cantidad de mentiras calumnias e injurias creadas solo para descrestillar y manchar su buen nombre no es susto que una persona tan buena como él le estén haciendo pasar este mal momento muy buenas noches Supremo Tribunal de Justicia autoriza esta tradición de Alex Sabo para los Estados Unidos de América no acatando así a decisión pero Alex Sabo se encuentra actualmente bajo la custodia de las fuerzas de orden de los Estados Unidos en Miami y como él está secuestrado nosotros también no estamos como familia pero como él seguiremos en la valentía en la tranquilidad y en la lucha por los pueblos dignos del mundo por Venezuela y por el gobierno víctimos de Nicolás Maduro nosotros vivimos un segundo secuestro me recuerdo que este día yo vi un Twitter de alguien super malvado que había puesto una foto de un avión del Departamento de Justicia llegando a Cabo Verde yo enseguida llamé la hermana porque la hermana sí pudo entrar en Cabo Verde y la hermana le dije a Katia le dije Katia por favor corre toma el carro y vaya a ver si Alex está bien si Alex se sigue ahí porque el avión aterrizó hace 20 minutos tengo una sensación mala porque no es posible que hoy hay un avión del Departamento de Justicia también si era el día de las elecciones ahí era imposible que estaba ahí una avión del Departamento de Justicia Dona Katia comenzó a llamar porque pensas que está muy movimiento ahí con las cosas para él yo le dije yo estoy hablando con Pinto con Aristides los de Alivogar ellos dicen que no pasaron nadie porque si ellos vengan a buscar Alex ellos tienen que recibir una carta tienen que tener algo para llevar Alex entonces ellos dicen para llevar Alex tienen que nos notificar para decir algo porque si no esto está un rápido no está una cosa legal con el carro ahí y ella me dijo que no habían más militares los 100 militares que estaban ahí amenazando todo el día Alex vigilándolo supuestamente y que había solamente uno es que este uno le había dicho no no todo está bien todo está bien entonces Katia se le prendió una alarma me llamó otra vez pero no la habían dejado entrar cuando vio llegar 20 camionetas de militares de Cabo Verde y ella enseguida se volvió otra vez con el carro lo siguió y ellos pararon y cuando vio a ella al capitán el militar Évora encargado de vigilar a Alex ella le dice dónde está Alex Alex está bien Alex ya lo hemos entregado entonces entonces ya se lo llevaron yo pensaba que Dona Katia va a tener un ataque porque dice cómo ellos son por qué ellos por qué no nos avisaron por qué no me dice nada para que yo despidí de mi hermano tu debí a mi tu debí a nos avisar tu debí a me avisar Dona Katia le sabe va a ver mi hermano no va a ser nadie si el tiene que ir para mirar 102 102 103 104 106 106 106 107 107 106 106 106 103 106 in the United States. We have been connected in a way that is urgent here in the week of news because the Justice of Cabo Verde authorizes the extradition of Alis Saab to the United States. I would not use the term extradition because extradition is something legal with a process when all the decisions that they had to make were taken. But in this case, I think it was carried by Cabo Verde without the legal process finished. It is not extradition, it is a capture. On October 16, 2021, the following day, a few elections were held in Cabo Verde where the candidate who was effectively the one who won had promised that his country would defend and respect all the decisions that emanate from the courts where they have mandatory complements such as the CDAO. The African Commission on Human and People's Rights also ordered that Ambassador Saab be not extradited to the United States of America, pending the determination of the application that would file before them. So there was no basis for the extradition, hurried and illegal extradition of Mr. Alexaab. He arrived with all his irregularities to the United States territory and immediately the judge said, we are going to eliminate the charges, seven charges, eight charges and leave him a charge that we can say the most artificial charge but also of political use, even which is the one of conspiracy for money laundering. If Mr. Saab is such a big criminal, then why do we educate the charges? It is obvious that the other charges are not serious. Susa began, for three years, an investigation and it was closed in December of 2020. That year, which was cruely kidnapped, began an investigation for supposedly a malversation of 350 million dollars and, evidently, the time was verified that there is no money laundering there, there is no malversation and that everything was completely illegal. There falls, we can say, completely the case of the United States. As I said, Alex, the soul of a mother-in-law. And today I tell her as a wife that I am proud of Alex, I am proud of her. There is so much strength in the defense of Alexaab that the only thing left for the Department of Justice of the United States, that what they have done best is to try to postpone and postpone the case, so as not to decide that, not to decide on the diplomatic immunity of the Venezuelan diplomatic employee, Alex Saab. The United States wants him to suffer. The United States also wants Julian Assange to suffer. The most important part of defending and fighting for what is going on with Alex Saab is to make sure that he will be liberated, that he will not be incarcerated under conditions that will probably destroy his life. I don't think it's fair. In terms of COVID, the man who had a child who had two children and little to get out of his country, to get out of his family, to go to Iran, to look for medicine, things for Venezuelan people, there are few people who are going to do this. Alex didn't have the necessary to do this, but he is doing this for his people. This special delivery brought food for your homes, for the home. That food that arrived, that had an international brand, was brought by Alex Saab in silence and he did it for his love to our country. The gas that arrived at us in that extreme moment already in June, July last year, brought it to the exact... the medicines that arrived for Venezuelan diabetics, for catastrophic diseases, the medicines against cancer, the treatments against cancer, the treatments for our children, the drugs for Alex Saab of the world. I would ask Pope Francis Levanta, the voice for this man who doesn't owe anything, that, rather, what he deserves is a prize for the struggle for human rights, because he was fighting for a people from his diplomatic position. That is Alex Saab. He is a diplomat, a defender of human rights, who doesn't like the North American Empire, doesn't like it, doesn't like it, and decides to put him in jail. That is, the total violation of international rights. To end that struggle with Alex Saab, they released him, not only for us, but for his family, his children, his wife. Mariam, who is five years old, she, every day, asks me about her father. She says that her father is her boyfriend, and that she, every day, starts counting with her hands, the days that are left, so that he arrives, and every time the fingers end, you have to start again. And nothing very difficult, very difficult to explain to him, because they are very small. That he doesn't think that everything, we give him the back, that he has a lot of people who support him, but a lot of people with his hands tied, that he can't do anything, but from here, especially me, I give him my support, and I know that a lot of people, a lot of Venezuelans are giving him support, and we are fighting for him to get out of there, and above all, that he has a lot of faith in God and in the Venezuelans, in the people who help him so much. Putting yourself on the side of a person like Alex, or so many others, like him, who are being punished unfairly, is being a Christian. I, as a Christian, before an injustice of natural size, I can't stay with crossed arms. If you don't call yourself Christian, if you are against a person who is fighting for a people, don't call yourself Christian. We have the hope, the conviction that the truth and the good will triumph, and that Alex will return home. Don't suffer. The day has come. Come. Come with me. Come with everyone. What seems to you, the simplest. Come. Don't suffer. Come with me. Because even if you don't know it, I know that. I know where we are going. And this is the word. Don't suffer. Because we will win. We will win ourselves. The simplest. We will win. Even if you don't believe it, we will win. Hey, everyone. Thank you so much. Fabulous film. And I'm so honored to let all of you know that Camilla Saab is with us this evening. And so I just first want to thank all of you in the zoom for sticking with us. We were off to a little rough start with a lot of trolls and a lot of noise that some of you joining us tonight were in front of the Venezuelan embassy in spring of 2019. I know exactly what I'm talking about when I say all the noise disruption. So thank you for sticking with us through that. And for those of you watching on her pink YouTube live, thank you so much for all of your, your comments and, and notes and encouragement. And Camilla, you should know there's a lot, a lot of solidarity statements in the YouTube live chat. So and Carlos, you're two, some really supportive, wonderful, positive, encouraging statements for, for Alex Saab and Camilla, your family and Carlos for Venezuela as a whole. So we can take a look at those as well. So for all of you. Thank you for staying with us through the film. And I want to introduce to you Camilla Saab. She's going to share with you a few minutes of her personal experience, what she and her family are, are living through and how they're supporting Alex. And also she's going to give us an update on how he's doing and what's happening with his, with his case here in the United States. So welcome Camilla. Can you unmute yourself or do I need to do that? I think I, here she is. Sorry, I, for my voice today, I would like to, to great all, to thank you. All the audience, all the people here connect on, on zoom and also on YouTube. All the authorities are connected today by, and especially Code Pink for the organization of this event that allow us to continue to, to carry through among so many lies that are woven against the Venezuelan people, against the official and against anyone who bravely dars to contract it. The mandates of imperialist war on the people. When Alex set off on a special mission to Iran on 12 June 2020, I never imagined that this was going to happen. I haven't seen him for 859 days. Our young doctor, Charlotte, at that time was almost five months old. And Alex, when Alex last saw her, she was five months old. She obviously has not memory of her father, but she's growing up and hearing papa and being mentioned all the time who this mysterious person is. For Alex, it has been very difficult, the time in Cape Verde because his parents passed away within nine days, each other in April 2021. He was very close to both of them. So it was particularly cruel that Cape Verde authorities showed no compassion at all and refused to let him attend their funerals. But Alex is very strong. Alex is a fighter and he never gives up. Alex is a resilient person and he was able to come through this dark time and remain a rock for us, for his entire family. Today's world leads us to reflect on how to preserve, care for and maintain peace. The one that children in the world deserve. My husband went on this humanitarian mission because there were actions that treated their lives on Venezuelan people, Venezuelan children. And this is a new form of a war that moved the economic and the warlike treats of the world left a painful figure to the Venezuelan family and in my own family who are a hostage of the United States government, a father who has not returned home. The word media is responsible for creating a monster denying that the sanctions are illegal and inhuman and inaddiction that for the right wing sectors that believe they lie, they are useless and equally harmful. In the film, in the documentary that we just see, we can see the face who leave the anger of the blockade and my husband went on this humanitarian mission to avoid greater suffering to the people. The one that Elliot Abrams and Bolton wanted to give to Venezuela and we see their comments on the film, on the documentary. As of today, Alex has suffered, as I said, 859 days of kidnapping. Today they attempted a moral murder against my husband as a person and as an official continuous. Today the children, my daughters and their son continue without seeing his father. As of today, Alex still doesn't receive any medical attention without being seen to fix his molars that broke to the knee. He resided during the kidnapping in Cape Verde. He was tortured in Cape Verde and still didn't receive medical attention without his oncologist's daughter. He can't follow his supervision. If there is someone who does not see the importance of defending the case, I invite him to defend all the international agreements that for decades have regulated relations between all the countries because if we allow this to be violated, the peace of all the humanity will be in danger. The solution that allowed this terrible episode to end, I know that this solution will come because although everything seems gloomy, the light of truth continues to guide us of the tranquility that we have done well and that the truth will prevail. I am sure that Alex will be free and Venezuela will not longer suffer from the onslaught of this unconventional war. Once again, I want to thank you, Terry, Code Pink, I want to thank you all of you for the space, for all the organization of this space, this time, and all the straight that one, all of you that give us to me and to my family and also to Alex. I hope that Alex come home soon and I want to say free Alex Sab. Thank you so much. Thank you, Camilla. We all really, you're inspiring to all of us, your strength and your encouragement and leading all of us in this. Really, you're the one who's leading all of us in this. The other person who's leading all of this, I want all of you to meet is Carlos Roan. He's the Venezuelan Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs for North America. So Carlos, I want all of you to meet him and then can you say hello? Yes. Well, thank you, Terry, and all greetings, everyone. Very happy to see some familiar faces in this meeting and of course, very happy to hear from Camilla directly about the situation. Like you said, you know, I want to start by thanking Col Pink for an all the other organizations that have supported Alex and that have supported Venezuela in this demand that we have Alex return soon to Venezuela. This is a violation, not only of his human rights, as we have heard Camilla explain very well the tortures and just the harassment that he has been subjected to during these past two years, but also this is part of the ongoing attack against Venezuela. It wasn't just anyone that they picked to do this aggression to. It was someone who was helping Venezuela and like you also in the documentary in a very difficult time of need to find a way to get food, fuel, medicine, all these things that were critically important for the Venezuelan people at the time that this blockade was at its worst and at the time that we were facing a pandemic and we had very limited sources in order to attend to this pandemic. This is again part of what the U.S. calls sanction because these are really unilateral coercive measures aimed at hurting the Venezuelan people, at producing so much pain, so much suffering within the Venezuelan people that the people somehow turn and go against the government and produce that change of government, regime change that the United States expects so that it can lead a place, someone else, that can carry out whatever U.S. interests are. So this is something that I think we must announce, something that I think it's important and again, it's important to express our gratitude to your solidarity, to wanting to know more about this case, to wanting to voice out your concern about what is going on. But this is truly an attack on both the person of Alex, the family of Alex, we can see, and the Venezuelan people all together. It's part of that attempt to make the Venezuelan people suffer for taking our own decisions, making our own decisions into what our type of government should be. So I think it is important that you're here, we can answer any of the questions you have, of course, and again, very thankful for the constant solidarity that you have displayed towards Venezuelan people and particularly towards Alex. Thank you, Carlos. So for all of you in the Zoom, we are set up in a meeting format so that we can all raise our hands, ask questions of Camila and Carlos. And for those of you watching on social media, please put your questions in the live chat. And I just, I have a couple of questions that have already come in that I'm going to throw out there. And then the rest of you, please just raise your hand if you have questions, comments that you want to contribute. So first, I have a question from Miriam Mayorga and she asks, Camila, we are waiting for the diplomatic immunity trial. We are going to win. Evidence about his diplomatic function will be presented. Please comment on this for us. Yes, the hearing, the trial will, the hearing is fixed for 12 of December of this year, 2022. This trial will, the duration of this trial will be five days. And we have a solid defense. Our witness, we have very good witness, very good defense. And we are sure that the truth will prevail and will be demonstrated that Alex has immunity. And also in the motion that we just introduced two days ago, it's important that I would like to read a little piece that United States, as also in the film appear, United States already was aware that Alex was a diplomatic mission. Also the ex-Marc Casper, ex-FD Pintagono, ex-FD Defensa of the Department of Defense he published on his book that United States knew very well that Alex was a diplomatic and was a diplomatic mission. And in the motion that, in the introduction of the motion, we say that the United States government was aware of Mr. Saba ongoing negotiation with Iranian officials in that capacity. The United States government either received or was made aware of multiple assertion of immunity through diplomatic channel and the Interpol. The facts show in a vocably that Mr. Saba was a special envoy to Iran on Balfe of Venezuela. Under the diplomatic relation, the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relation, the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties and the Customary International Law, the United States is obligated to respect Mr. Saba's personal inviolability and thus immunity from arrest, detention and prosecution during his transit from Venezuela and to Iran. So we are fighting to recognize his immunity because all the international treaties and all international law, they say that and they must respect. Okay, thank you, Camilla. I'm watching here. I'm not for all of you wondering what I'm doing. I'm doing all the questions coming in. So, Terry, if I may add something, please do. I think it's very important. I just wanted to point out something that came up in this case a few days ago. Basically, and in particular, there's a piece of evidence that was presented which is basically an internal email between Elliot Abrams and a US diplomat where basically more or less they're discussing, or Abrams is discussing the detention and he says that at the time Secretary Pompeo was concerned whether if they could first of all, they could argue that Alex was not a diplomat because he wasn't a white dog appointed diplomat. And in the text, Abrams says, well, the problem is that if this was something that took place before January of 2019, well, at that time we did recognize the Maduro government. So Abrams himself is recognizing in this text that, well, first of all because of the appointment, the special appointment that Alex received was in effect prior to 2019. But this communication itself recognizes that they know they're dealing with the diplomat. They know they're dealing with somebody, with a government that they recognize at the time that the appointment was made. So they couldn't really argue that this is not an appointment that they do not recognize. So I think this is very important to point out because all this time they know that he's entitled to immunity. They know this, Esper knows it and he confesses it in the book. Abrams knows it and he discusses it in the email. He discusses that Pompeo knows. So this is part of the strategy again to attack but they know what's going on. I mean, they know that in truth, you know, Alex has always been or has always enjoyed this protection according to the Vienna Convention. And I think this is what the US legal system must recognize that he has been entitled to this diplomatic immunity and that even US diplomats that have, you know, carried out this war against Alex and against Venezuela, they know it as well. Well, this is fascinating to me. I just want to ask you something, Carlos, before I take some more of these questions. This is fascinating to me because fundamentally the US does recognize the Maduro government. It's a, it's another backhanded way. They're recognizing that Alex saw there's no need to special envoy a diplomat when there were diplomatic relations between the two countries. And so basically, I mean, it's confounding. It's like we're saying one, you know, talking out of both sides of our mouth, I guess is what is what we're seeing. Well, I mean, this whole situation is, you know, it's that way. I mean, it's bizarre and, you know, I don't know how history books are going to explain this, you know, a hundred years from now, but, you know, it was a ludicrous idea that you could, you know, install some parallel government based on nothing and then, you know, everything that's derived from. But at the end of the day, what is very clear is the intent of, you know, undermining the will of the Venezuelan people that elected President Maduro and that and, you know, trying to dismantle all Venezuelan institutions and institutionality. And in this particular case, we're seeing that this aggression is not only against President Maduro, it's not only against a government, you know, it starts affecting the lives of human beings and it starts affecting directly the life of Alex and his family and everybody that, you know, has to contact with in the same way that other measures, you know, throughout the time have affected people here in Venezuela. I mean, it's an attempt again to hurt all of the Venezuelan people and this constitutes a crime against humanity. Thank you, Carlos. So I have a question here from Carlos, or from Carlos, excuse me, Carla, she says, we know that the U.S. seeks to break the will of the Venezuelan people, as Carlos has mentioned, and that of Alex Saab, we want you to clarify if the U.S. knew of his diplomatic status and who is responsible. So I think, Carla, we've pretty much addressed your question. I hope that that's clear. Let me know if there's a follow-up. And I have something here from you, Roy. Roy Lugo, I see you on the screen here. Do you want to ask your question right here in the Zoom, or would you prefer me to read it since you're here? Okay, I'll read it for him. So he says, once the diplomatic status of Alex has been demonstrated with convincing evidence, why does the UN not define its position in this case if that body is supposed to be in charge of ensuring compliance with the laws that protect diplomats of the world? And then, so can we comment on the UN? Camilla? Yes. I want to add some words about the email of Elliot Abrams with Mike Pompeo, because they're very important. Not only they knew about Alex who was traveling as a diplomat, and they knew that the passport was issued in 2018 before that the relation between the United States and Venezuela, they broke. But in the mail, Elliot Abrams said also Pompeo also noted that in any event he was not accredited to keep Verde, nor was he in a diplomatic mission. He was involved arguably in a mission designed to violate UN sanctions on Iran. They were looking for an excuse to kidnap him, to capture him illegally. So not only to not risk the government, but also they were looking for an excuse to block him, to take him in Cabo Verde. About the United Nations, they pronounce many times, they pronounce in Que Verde when Alex was kidnapping Que Verde. They pronounce the four relators and against torture for the independence of 20 of the lawyers and judge against the coercitive measure, against the sanction, and also the working group they pronounce. But all that this pronunciation, they arrive in June 2021 and Que Verde doesn't want to recognize this pronunciation of United Nations. The Que Verde doesn't accept not even the ecuas that is a tribunal of Africa that Que Verde is part of it. He said that Alex's sub must release immediately, but Que Verde doesn't want to recognize this decision. United Nations repeat this decision also in October before the extradition of Alex, but Que Verde doesn't want to recognize that this is very dangerous for all the countries about this position of United States that are opening this door that is very dangerous for all the people that... or even the diplomatic of the United States at a risk around the world because any third country could simply recognize the current USA president and our sovereign diplomats would lose their inviolability when transiting to their diplomatic posts around the world. Please. So thank you, Camilla. I have a follow-up question before I go back to the audience because Camilla, you mentioned Echo Was and I am wondering, seeing how the film unfolded, Alex's kidnapping took place right before the elections in Cape Verde and there was concern with the new government coming in and was presumed who would win, the United States presumed who would win, the new government in Cape Verde would fully recognize Echo Was and its legal or judicial decisions and that the judicial decision was not to extradite Alex and so he was essentially kidnapped before those elections. Am I correct in that? Yes. That's how it became a kidnapping of the United States versus an extradition or versus no extradition at all with the newly elected government. Yes. On this 16th of October 2021 he suffered a second kidnap one day before the election because the election, the new president became on 17th of October to recognize Echo Was also because Cape Verde asked to become the new president of Echo Was so the new president of course would release immediately Alex but the United States looking at this possibility they accelerated the percent and they extracted him from Cape Verde to the United States one day before. So extracting him to the United States we have a question here. Are you able to visit him in Miami? Not. It's how I said I haven't seen him since 859 days in Cape Verde the authorities of Cape Verde gave me a diplomatic visa on my diplomatic passport as a wife of a special envoy but after some treats against me and my daughters I didn't risk my security and the security of my daughters to Cape Verde. After this in February 2022 they start a very strong political persecution against me, the same loafer that applied against Alex and Italy started this persecution they put on me an order of detention when they understand I was taking this campaign I leader this movement through Alexab so of course I didn't visit Alex but Alex also not only he has denied the visit the family visit but also the consular visit he cannot receive for the reason that the United States still recognize Guaidó Can he receive any visitors at all? Only the lawyers for the moment Yes. I have a question coming here from Northampton, Massachusetts from all of you watching live at the anti-imperialist action committee thank you all and their question is what can people living in the United States do to apply pressure towards concerned parties? So what more having Carlos and Camilla here with us and watching the films are great educational opportunities which are super important to raise awareness particularly among U.S. citizens but is there anything more to see us doing or anything in addition that we can do particularly this group in Northampton they're like ready to help Well I think well first of all I think of course telling the story is really important because we have to first of all fight against this trying to incriminate everything that has to do with Venezuela we see it not only in the case of Alex recently we've seen even Venezuela migrations being criminalized in the everyday narrative now I think it's important for you more than what we can say this is your legal system these are your courts you know how much better than we do how and what approaches can be taken when there's something that you consider irregular or you consider an injustice I think that I know that the people of the United States do not want this conflict do not want to be part of these policies that are hurting people or hurting Venezuela and in particular that are violating international law so there has to be mechanisms where you can express that and where you can somehow pressures where you can demand that justice is served and you are the ones in the best position to determine what that is and how that is come about so Code Pink has a petition we're going to share with you again in the chat for all of you to read and sign so that's one of the actions we're doing so our free Alex petition Roger you've had your hand up welcome good to see you yes thank you Teri and thank you to Code Pink for putting this on this excellent program hello Camilla hello Carlos very good to see you first I'll make a comment and then have a question if I could we say free Alex and we say free Alex because it's a humanitarian issue it's an issue of justice but above all we say free Alex because of the reasons precisely why he's being prosecuted by the United States the attack on Alex Saab is the attack on the Bolivarian Revolution and Alex Saab's actions in support of the Venezuelan people and against the illegal and moral you know lateral course of measures is precisely why he suffered so greatly and that's why he's being prosecuted by the Bolivarian Revolution and Alex Saab my question please is that a year ago well a year ago in two days the the the Venezuelan government withdrew from the negotiations with the opposition in Mexico City and Carlos if you could tell us a little bit more about what the status of that is you have been appointed to the negotiating committee and if you could comment on that too I would appreciate that thank you so very quickly for first of all let me let me say that as of course I'm part of the government but there's a team specific team that has been appointed to carry out these negotiations so you know I usually don't speak on these actual negotiations because precisely we leave it to the team and because of how delicate they are now what I would like to say though is that the government of Brazil has always been open to dialogue it has always been the one setting forth the possibility of dialogue but it has been you know in different at different moments we've seen that whenever there's some progress or some advances in dialogue then something happens and usually it has to do with US intervention that you know makes things break down and you know the case of Alex's kidnapping was precisely part of that so you know I think we are we have been exploring and this module has been very clear about ways to always maintain dialogue with all political forces but also for the US to understand that the best thing that or the thing that it really needs to do in order for dialogue to prosper between all factions in Venezuela is precisely remove its interference from the Venezuelan political process and that's at the end of the day what we want and what we aspire that there is no intervention that the problems of the Venezuelan people are solved among Venezuelans without external pressures of any sort whether it be a pressuring opposition to take you know one direction or the other whether it be you know aggressions as the kidnapping of Alex was. And the following, Roger you had a question for Camila too? Yes, Camila that you were appointed to the negotiating committee and if you'd like to comment about that we'd welcome that. The negotiation table as the Vice Minister Carlos said was interrupted on October 17 after Alex was kidnapped for the second time. Alex is a member of the table of the negotiation and what I ask is that they must recognize his immunity and let him participate because he's right and he's a member of the negotiation. Thank you, Camila, thank you Carlos and thank you Roger and for all of you watching Roger Harris is a member as a board member of the Task Force on the Americas and one of our programs broadcast partners so thank you for joining us tonight, Roger. So there is a really good question here in the chat from Sabine that's a nice follow-up to some of the comments we've had about the status of relations between Venezuela and the United States so this question from Sabine is why didn't you try to negotiate with Maduro for Venezuelan oil and not recognize the Maduro government which Alex Saab represents so we're back to this do as I say not as I do thing but Carlos basically the United States did recognize the Maduro government on March 5 of this year with the delegation that arrived in Caracas to negotiate a number of things. Well, in a sense it's an issue of convenience in a sense. They apply whatever logic it's convenient at the moment and we saw this we've seen some things as ridiculous as statements from the State Department saying things like the former regime of Maduro, this language that former regime but it's still the person who's in charge. All these contradictions all these entanglement in language I think at the end of the day there is reality and you can say whatever you want and you can find made up arguments but at the end of the day there is one government in Venezuela, only one government that is selected by the people of Venezuela and the government of President Nicolás Maduro and only that government can appoint diplomats and Alex Saab is a diplomat of that government and they know this when they try to deny that and they know this when they try to approach us for any reason whatsoever so I believe that it's important for the public for the US public to know and to understand that this dilemma is a false dilemma this dilemma doesn't exist there is only one government in Venezuela you can dress it up as whichever way you want but you know when reality hits when reality comes they know they're only dealing with one true government that is selected by the people of Venezuela Thank you Carlos I have a couple more questions in the chat but before I go to those do any of you here in the zoom want to have questions I don't see any hands raised I want to go to Charlie Hardy Charlie take yourself off Yes one thing this is letters from Alex Saab in prison it's in Spanish but I understand it's also available in English now does anyone know how one can get a copy of this in English Camilla does I have one Camilla I will send soon to the United States Okay Yes if you send on the zoom the name, the number, how many I can prepare a delivery and send it I have already some in Miami and I can with some help I can send to you Thank you for watching if you want a book why don't you write me at Code Pink and just say you want one and Camilla will take a account and we can get that account to you and then we'll have to get your address instead Yes the address it's okay so you can do that at Terry Do you have a cost for these No not Okay so postage Yes we translate also in Italian also in Italian and in French Okay so we'll have to collect some postage so if you write me at Terry TRI at CodePink.org and let us know if you want a book in English, Spanish or Italian they can do either right in that address and we can forward all of that to Camilla So thanks Charlie for raising that and nice to see you tonight so I have a question here and I think we've answered it but this is someone who's very supportive of you Camilla so this is from Jose Marcian and he is asking of you as a beloved combatant can you live a normal life and can you or well are you living a normal life and can you walk freely and you sort of can and you sort of can you have to unmute yourself There you go I can answer Yes before to answer I want to say that in the English book the presentation Charles Hardy is the four words of the book in English Yes and the presentation change between English and Spanish in this book is Charles Hardy Alfred Desaias and Femi Fallana that is the lawyer in the care about ECUAS Yes about to answer the question My life is here in Caracas I walk everyday I go in the park with my daughters I do my normal life I run I go to the supermarket I take my daughters to school every morning I walk to the school and I am happy to be here I feel good and I feel at home and the Venezuelan people are amazing they are very with a lot of love they are my family they stay with me they support me in this terrible situation and I am happy that I think theyK they destroy me I do what I do they especially automate continue to fight There are so many comments in the chat that reach of our own government. And as Carlos has shared with us, that it really is our responsibility as US citizens to address the wrongs of our own government. And with events like this, we're trying to do that. And please be sure to check the chat again for our Code Pink petition, our free Alex Salve petition. So all of you, if you don't have any more questions, I just wanna really thank all of you for joining us tonight. I'm sorry we had the problem at the beginning. And unfortunately, we had to close the Zoom and send everyone over to the YouTube channel, but we were able to hold the audience on YouTube. And I'm thankful for all of you who joined and were able to participate. I do wanna remind everybody who's watching the live stream that you've been watching what the F is going on in Latin America and the Caribbean, Code Pink's weekly YouTube program of hot news out of the region. We broadcast every Wednesday at 7.30 p.m. Eastern on Code Pink YouTube Live. And also be sure to catch Code Pink Radio every Thursday morning on WBAI out of New York City, WPFW Washington, DC, 11 a.m. Eastern. Both Code Pink projects are available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. And I just wanna give another big shout out to Carlos Roan joining us from Venezuela. Camila also from joining us from Venezuela. Michelle Elmer for all of her technical help this evening. And also a big shout out to those of you in Northampton. Really fun, that was the first that a group has done a live watch party of the program. So everyone, thank you so much for joining us. And please follow us at codepink.org for more actions regarding three Alex Saab. So good night, everyone. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you joining us tonight. Thank you, Terry. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Carlos. Three Alex Saab. Three Alex Saab. Thank you, Camila. Our luck to you. Three Alex Saab. Three Alex Saab. Thank you guys, what a great idea. Super to have a live watch party. That was really great. Yes. Three Alex Saab, hello, Alex Saab. Hola, hello. Three Alex Saab. Thank you so much, Terry. Bye. Okay, everyone. Good night. Bye. Thank you.