 Hey, we're still in New York and I've got Jill Duffy and Dan Patterson here. Hi everybody. Who are you guys in? Oh my I didn't see you there. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having us. It's gonna be fun. Now apologies for making you stand But I think this is gonna work better that way. Make sure to speak into the mic Dan I know you I know you're as an audio professional. You've never you've never dealt with that before but All right, I think I'm ready you guys are ready Here we go. The Daily Tech News show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by wonderful Awesome patrons like you if that's not you join this party now Go to patreon.com slash ace detect and give a little because it helps a lot. That's patreon.com slash aced Tct This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday October 14th 2014 on Tom Merritt and joining me today Jill Duffy from PCMag.com. Thank you for coming and Dan Patterson tech journalist and sometimes bearer fighter in my imagination Good to have you back. It's a you've got a new show out the signal podcast Yeah, yeah We'll have a lot to say about that but let's start off with the headlines No, seriously Tech crunch noted that Dropbox confirmed 400 account credentials posted to Pay Spin were in fact for Dropbox accounts security chief Anton Mejia again drop said Dropbox was not hacked These were users who had the same password at Dropbox as other services Most of the credentials had already been caught and deactivated and the rest have now been reset So none of them were used on Dropbox for any malicious purpose according to them several hundred more credentials were posted later But Dropbox says yeah, those were not real those are not associated with Dropbox accounts We're gonna talk about this in our main topic The next web reports the Google's same-day delivery service is no longer free also got a name change Google shopping Express is now just Google Express and brings groceries and other purchases from various stores to your door at a Convenient time service now costs five bucks per order more if you want alcohol though You can subscribe for $95 a year or $10 a month and not only get all your orders without extra charge But get first dibs on delivery windows memberships can be shared with people in your house Google also added new retailers including Barnes and Noble and nine West's shoes Which is important to me and expanded from San Francisco LA and New York to include Chicago Boston and Washington, DC Have you guys ever use this out here? I've tried to use it once and then my Google wallet failed Yeah, not yet. Yeah, that one's not for me. Yeah, okay. Well, that's why they're doing this They're like no seriously pay pay money and try it. No, they had it for free to get people to try it But I just didn't work for me that do you see this as an Amazon Prime competitor because Amazon Prime has so much more Going on I think it's trying to be yeah I don't think it'll get there particularly the comments that Google has made lately about Amazon being their primary search competitor I think that they're making little intonations Directed at Amazon and this could be one of those PC Mag reports August smart locks will be coming to Apple store shelves this week for $249.99 the smart lock works in single-cylinder dead bolts and Create virtual keys on smartphones keys can be given to friends through the app and even revoked when necessary It also works with physical keys as well. This would be great I mean this kind of thing is not the first one But this is gonna put this sort of technology in more people's hands and it's great for when you have friends staying or someone watching your house or whatever Yeah, you can just give them you make sure they have an app and then the people watching your dogs or your cats don't have a phone With the outright Yeah, right Skype has a new mobile messaging service called quick Yeah, remember they bought quick and then they ignored quick then they shut down quick Well now the name is back users can share video clips up to 42 seconds They disappear after two weeks or the sender can delete them at any time. There's also quick flicks Put your five second clips available on the Android and iPhone apps coming to Windows phones soon Blocking other users is available for Android and Windows phone, but not the iPhone I can't block anybody on iPhone and now that I made damn my friend. I start with We were trying this earlier. It was it worked. Okay. The problem is always or the challenge at least is neat Do we need this and you know there are maybe some use cases, but it's questionable. Yeah, I I Like I said in in our little quick exchange I thought camera phones and instant messenger were stupid when they first arrived as well So I could be wrong about this, but I'm not sure We need it they have an interesting interface that allows you to see the conversation and play it back I found that interesting later. Yeah And you know Jill you and I use the the Apple messenger phone to share audio messages about the show, right? Hey got an idea. Here's a quick message. Although the video is almost usually I look terrible or I'm walking down the street You're like you don't need to see me. Yeah, and the market's already so saturated So if there isn't a unique hook on this, why would anybody adopt it now? I think you're right Washington Post reports that the FCC is considering area's request to be classified as a multi-channel video provider Just like a cable or satellite company subject to all the rules and regulations of cable and satellite companies now That means something good for area in this case They could start negotiating with broadcast networks for retransmission fees that may sound like a bad thing But right now no internet video providers are classified as MPVD's and so they're basically ignored the networks will say no We're not even going to negotiate with you So if area were to get classified as an MPVD it would have to pay more for content But the networks would have to let them pay that more for content PC Mag reports eyesight partners announced a zero-day windows vulnerability today It says Russian attackers are using it against US European and Ukrainian government agencies NATO Telecom companies an unnamed US academic organization the attacks are attributed to a group nicknamed Sandworm team because of their frequent references to the Dune series Security experts have been tracking the five-year-old group referred to as Quedeck by f secure since late 2013 I don't want to say I like a team, but I do like Dune like it's kind of interesting clever. Yeah Aren't they always though Android police report on a leaked Google ad Featuring little Android characters with the slogan be together not the same It includes an animated version of the Nexus 6 running Android L The video comes with a link to a page on the Android site that isn't yet live But it could be if the Nexus 6 is announced which Forbes speculates may be happening as early as tomorrow Maybe do you think they would do that the day before an Apple announcement? Yes, yeah, well, I don't know I should I need to recuse from Gotcha Time now for some news from you. These are submitted on our subreddit daily Tell me show dot reddit.com if you haven't jumped in there go take a look There's like 3,000 people in there submitting stories voting them up or down We're getting a good amount of votes on these stories now So we can really start to tell which ones you really like and which ones you like less Alan AV submitted the tech dirt story about a comment on the US FCC's open internet guidelines filed by VPN company golden frog Company describes evidence that a wireless broadband provider. They're not named actively blocked S T are TT LS encryption start TTLS encryption preventing a user from encrypting SMTP email traffic Golden frog described the provider is modifying messages in transit in one case from 250 start TLS to 250 xxxxxxx a Causing encryption not to be started There but other Complaints and in fact golden frog had some complaints about Netflix Performing better in a VPN than others, but there there are some very non controversial reasons for that what happening I can't think and maybe I'm missing it of a non controversial reason why a wireless provider would be killing encryption Over their network. Can you guys? No, but it's yeah, it's hard to make assumptions You know I mean you're overriding a request in transit That's a man that definition of a man in the middle attack if if this is true, right like we only have golden frogs worded for it Yeah assumptions are hard TM204 passed along the science daily report that researchers at Nanyang Technological University have developed a battery that can be recharged to 70% capacity in two minutes and have a more than 20 year Lifespan and to use Singapore scientists replaced the graphite used for the anode That's the negative pull in lithium ion batteries with a new gel made from titanium dioxide That's the same stuff in in some of your sunscreen the nanostructure of titanium dioxide helps speed up chemical reactions Get very excited about battery stories, and they never pay off Well, I think they do but maybe not directly that not immediately Yeah, this is great stuff though. Yeah, no, I One day this will all pay off. You're absolutely right Alan AV posted the wired story about the launch of Kickstarter funding for a Nanna box the $45 open-source router directs all data through tour Hiding the user's IP address. Apparently the box is tiny enough for two to fit in a pack of cigarettes And so it's not the first tour in a box But the hope is that it strikes the best balance between cost 45 bucks setup supposed to be plug-and-play size obviously and security project is open source but has not been audited yet for security I love this idea. Just plug it in on the side on your ethernet doesn't matter where you go You're on tour Routers are tough. Yeah, you're skeptical. Yeah, and it's in Kickstarter face still. I need to see something working. Yes. Yeah Nobody's tested it yet. Yeah, and I think I mean anything that makes this type of encryption easier It's also going to add more and more flags, and it's very easy to see Okay, these are the encrypted networks that were the encrypted traffic, and it's very easy to spot that And single it out finally Bishma submitted the TechCrunch story that Dorian Nakamoto is suing Newsweek for writing the article claiming He was the creator of Bitcoin Nakamoto denied creating the cryptocurrency says he was targeted and victimized by a reckless news organization Nakamoto created a web page asking for donations to his legal case And yes in case you're wondering you can donate by check money order credit card and Bitcoin Which I mean why wouldn't he obviously can have a lot of people who have bitcoins Want to help him out and that's a look at the headlines All right, let's talk a little bit more about this Dropbox story 400 Dropbox credentials there've been more posted but apparently Dropbox says they weren't real But they do say these first 400 were real Dropbox says the usernames and passwords referenced in these articles were stolen from unrelated services not Dropbox Attackers then used these stolen credentials to try to log into sites across the internet including Dropbox So they're essentially trying to calm the Dropbox got hacked fears and say no we never got hacked This was you know people out there hacking Home Depot and Target like crazy And then they're trying out all of the credentials that they find and if they work then they collated all together Now Natasha Lomas over at TechCrunch says great. That's you know, that's a fair point, but Dropbox could force everybody to do two-factor authentication Do we think they should I don't think no not their responsibility So the first thing I think when Dropbox said we didn't get hacked Technically that is true, and I would say they didn't play the blame game They didn't say you users are to blame for reusing these passwords, right? I think kind of is the case I think on some level you have to be smart you have to be savvy you have to use a password manager That is like a drum that I will be until the day I die until the day we fix passwords Yeah, right passwords are fundamentally broken. They're not a good way of protecting your data You can go at Dropbox for a couple of different angles because they certainly don't do everything they possibly could to keep your data safe encrypted And secure, but I don't think I mean if you were asking Dropbox to mandate to factor authentication You'd have to do that with every site and users would hate it And then they wouldn't want to use those sites who that mandate that Well, I think I think mandating to factor authentication is one potential solution here But it kind of bypasses the responsibility argument and that is to what degree do we hold companies like Dropbox responsible? Not just for implementing things like two-factor that is one solution But they also have a responsibility to educate their customer and to encourage best practices, right? So it's it's all well and good for us who are geek to know about to like password managers and such And I don't think that that invalidates the ignorance of of A person right it's not my fault if I'm a layperson and I just use Dropbox I didn't know about two-factor. I didn't know about real great password security Maybe I should but at the end of the day I'm using a service that hasn't encouraged me to use any safer practices If you remember the early days of Twitter who'd often put little Flags that would say never log into an account that is not Twitter calm never use your Twitter username and password Which is a responsible solution for this as opposed to a binary it must be two-factor or nothing It seems like there is a responsibility on the part of all sites to encourage best practices Yeah, let's say Dropbox and Dropbox does some things like that But let's say they they go whole hog and they do everything you want and people say Oh, but you're not making me two-factor authentication sounds hard in a pain Which I know people who use Google and Twitter say yeah, I didn't do that. It was too much of a pain the purpose then what is not necessarily to make the customer safer it is to Deflect not deflect that sounds They start to sound spin. Yeah. Look we did everything we could up to the line of forcing you to do this Like we can't responsibly do anything more than inform you. This is what we did to inform you Now look at snapchat you brought this up earlier today when we were talking over email snapchats API is Apparently very easy to be reverse engineered a third-party app was doing that getting people to use it snapchat says We very much encourage people not to use these third-party apps because they're insecure and Some response from developers is yeah, well if you had an open API you could control tokens for third-party apps You'd be able to revoke unscrupulous apps. You wouldn't have to rely on the app stores to police this Maybe the API should still be less easy to reverse engineer But but you know it would be much better and snapchat in their blog post today said it takes time and a lot of resources To build an open and trustworthy third-party application ecosystem. Don't get us wrong We're excited by the interest in developing for the snapchat platform But we're gonna take our time to get it right This is another example of that same line of them saying well the responsibilities on you not to use the third-party apps This is good communication. Yeah, I mean this is much better snapchat has learned from that last mistake They had where their communication was very poor It was pretty much like screw you if you got your number stolen. This is much better and more responsible communication It's explaining what this is why it's hard to do like you can't expect you know run to be built in a day This is what we're doing to work on it, but shouldn't they have an open API by now. Yeah, sure They're valued at 10 billion bucks. Of course they should What do you think Joe? Well the one thing that is nagging me about both of these conversations is the content that might potentially be hacked or compromised right, so in the case of Snapchat, okay since the day that this app came out. We've all been saying don't put dirty pictures on the internet Don't put dirty pictures on snapchat. Everything is vulnerable to some kind of attack Everything can be reproduced if it's digital, so that's the first thing right like is what are we actually talking about? Potentially being compromised in the case of Dropbox. I think again. It's the responsibility of people to be Careful like you shouldn't put a copy of your passport in Dropbox probably The thing that I'm thinking about though is businesses Dropbox has made a big big Piece of its own business out of offering business plans, so that data is sensitive It is critical. I have a feeling that none of those Passwords or username password combinations would have been posted. I don't know, but I have a hunch that it's probably all personal user accounts if especially if they're coming from somewhere else, but I That's the part that sort of troubles me that the tech community may be not be talking about as much as what is the content That's really at risk here. Yeah, and Dropbox to be able to be successful needs to assure people if you put your passport photo here It will be safe and and they say that and we can get into the whole other side of it Where Edward Snowden points out? Yeah, but they hold the encryption keys if the government comes they can get your stuff But barring Dropbox handing over encryption keys Dropbox is secureable, right? But it comes back to the same thing we keep talking about which is you have to take Responsibility for that you have to turn on two-factor authentication or set up a text messaging or make sure you've got a Password manager, so you're not using the same passwords at multiple sites like all the best practices of password management That's too hard for most people and then Dan you you talked about that earlier Like most people just don't want to have to deal with that Well, and this could be this these could be signals flags of the new era less naive era of the web, right? So we had the first bubble which was the expansion of the web We we had the rise of social media and web 2.0 which was a very you know, we were super into very excited to build these things to making it as as Convenience as possible and Jill you said earlier in the pre-show that we're you know It's just easier, you know two-factor creates a barrier This may be the time where we now if you're using the web you just have to be more Sophisticated we are less naive than we were 10 years ago And we just have to you either take on good responsibility or suffer the consequences and it may be enough friends getting burned that In five years were a more sophisticated society when it comes to using passwords in the web I'm really excited for passwords to just disappear There's a whole bunch of wonderful security companies who are working on alternatives to passwords I'm one of the ones that I've seen recently is the mini bracelet. It uses biomarkers So in this case your heart signature, but there's lots of things like the retina scanning even the fingerprint on the iPhone And the iPhone 6 and 6 plus will have it for your credit card use I mean that's another case where we just do things in the most backward way Considering the technology that we have at our disposal today the way that we use credit cards Especially in the US where we don't even have chip and tin options for the most part It's it's a broken system and it's it's easy to hack. It's easy to steal It's easy to use these these pieces of data to your own profit, which is what hackers do They're always trying to make money off of their hacking So I'm excited to see some innovations in in getting rid of passwords altogether with other kinds of keys and methods of Unlocking our online identities. Yeah, there's you know the problem with the heart rate Monitor that I read about was people saying yeah, but you can't change your password then your heart sir heart, right? so it has to always be paired up with another factor and and a lot of times like touch ID is backed by a password so if you can hack The password you can still crack into somebody's phone. I'm like you I want the password to just die like I'm ready for that system that is convincingly reliable That you don't have to remember anything you don't have to use a manager and There've been some people come up with some really interesting approaches to that, but I don't think anybody's cracked it yet That and batteries Come on people My money's on batteries first. Yeah, I'll be for a better password. That feels like a really pessimistic I mean Really comes down to any time we say this over and over but anytime you put something on the web With another entity anytime something is stored with another entity if it if it's it can't be protect It simply can't be protected the web never forgets, right exactly, but it's always a trade-off, right? I mean for the same argument that we say You know people complain about Facebook owning their data if you're not paying for it You're the product what is the trade-off though is the trade-off that you get to use Dropbox all your files sink effortlessly You're happy because your photos are backed up Automatically and the trade-off is that your data isn't secure and that you have to take these extra measures to make it more secure I think Dropbox would say it is secure like they didn't get hacked, but you have to take that responsibility Yeah, the trade is you have to do some work. Yeah. Yeah at this point although I pay for Dropbox I Pay them come on. I just and I have they have two-factor authentic Yeah, actually I use spider oak as well. Yeah Dropbox for things that I don't care if the government Yeah, yeah, exactly totally legitimately acquired comic books Well, thank you guys. That was a good conversation. Appreciate that. Let's take a look at the calendar real quick tomorrow October 15th earnings released for eBay and Netflix will keep an eye on those our pick of the day comes from Ken Shabby Splashtop he says on Monday show you discussed attaching PCs to televisions and the problems controlling them with wireless mice and keyboards my pick Splashtop a free remote desktop app that makes controlling your computer with your mobile device easy Splashtop consists of an app you install on your tablet and a streamer program you install on your Mac or PC So it's it's essentially you're just tunneling into your PC You can control your old XP PC using new touch gestures on your tablet No more trying to use a mouse while in a lazy boy. No more having the giant wireless keyboard Flashing around your living room if your mobile device doesn't run flash You can still view flash web pages by running them on your PC and streaming them to your mobile device is nifty It's a VNC essentially is what it is Splashtop allows you to mute the sound on the PC Listen by your mobile device that way you can plug in the headphones watch without anyone knowing else other people in the room Works like the Roku 3 remote with the headphone jack Not sure how well it would work on a phone unless you have really small fingers or a really big phone like the note It might be hard to control your computer on a smaller screen works fine on my Nexus 7 He says I know a friend who uses Splashtop or was using Splashtop to play Hearthstone before Hearthstone came to iPad So it's really good for gaming on your tablet when your game is not available for the tablet Yeah, I know a lot of people out there like yeah, it's VNC. I get it But Splashtop is a really good one and so it's really popular. So thanks for the pick not too shabby Ken shabby Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash pics Do you guys attach a PC? What how do you watch internet video? Do you have anything connected? I? Have right now. I have an Apple TV on my TV the TV is a smart TV But it's not that smart so we need the Apple TV for things that I can't do and then I watch You know what? I'm really bad. I listen to TV and Netflix especially while I'm at work So I just do not do a monitor. Yeah on the laptop let it go I don't watch so much on mobile devices though. Yeah me either actually maybe on an airplane right on a tablet on an airplane Dan yeah, I'm Roku Apple TV and Chromecast and I toggle between them Right very similar actually I'll put something on the background and then not an audio person. I'll listen to television, but All three interesting yesterday's show we were talking about the article in the verge about you should hook a PC up to your TV It's the best thing possible and I as an I kick that around we got lots of great emails About your PCs in your living rooms John and Dawsonville said I use a desktop That's a bit outdated but still has HDMI out hooked up to the TV use my laptop with Chrome browsers remote desktop web app Kind of like splash shop gives me a keyboard and mouse right my easy viewing of what I'm doing once I choose what I'm going to watch I close the laptop and enjoy it on the TV Dwayne at Romstein Airbase in Germany got a Surface Pro 3 So he put his Surface Pro 1 Connected to the TV. He writes it has never moved since being put there It's the ultimate streaming box about the Bluetooth adapter for the touchpad keyboard so I could type from the couch The perfect media PC was born I Want to know if he's using Plex or media center or what he put on there, but that's interesting Yeah We did have a few emails from folks that have tried PC in the living room and moved on Otto wrote in and said I have a Roku and Or fire TV connected to the other TVs in my house I guess he has Roku and one and fire on the other because I want mere mortals to have a chance of being able to TV but for the home theater in my basement I built a home theater PC because I wanted the best experience for media and gaming with usability being a Secondary factor as it turns out. I can't wait to find a solution that allows me to replace the PC Here's a few of his issues the range of wireless keyboards and mouse about 10 feet He runs out of room. He had to run a USB adapter over cat 5 to work around that Steam is a good interface for games Plex is great for media and Netflix only streams in its highest quality though If you use the Windows 8 modern UI app, so he has to bounce in or out of all of these interfaces Of course keeping everything updates software updates are always a pain He does recommend chocolatey new get to help with those updates and PC power management wasn't really built with set top boxes in Mind he says the list continues. None of these is insurmountable I'm sure there are work around so that I covered nonetheless I keep hoping that steams in home streaming improves and Plex's audio problems on fire TV get resolved And then Mike tease Let's see if I can get to Mike tease jester in the tadpool chat realm rights Just wanted to drop a note about the living room PC article. You talked about I just removed my living room PC Five months ago after using one since 2009 the PC in the living room took up a good deal of space It was noisy keyboard and mouse wasn't all that useful from across the room for the majority of uses in a windows Environment at 1080p what we found to be easier was a Chromecast Working extensor with our iPhone and iPads at first we lived on just Netflix and HBO go But a month ago I installed Plex it's a recurring theme here on my home office desktop and set up the Plex app on our touch screen Devices to control it everything is now just a few taps away while not perfect It's getting better every few weeks the biggest issue My wife has is being able to quickly pause something because when the iPad goes to sleep Then you wake it up the majority of apps have a hard time reconnecting quickly to allow you to pause what's playing Have you ever run into that where you're like no no stop play? Please reconnect PCs are nice, but as with all the current solutions none of them are perfect for everyone. Thanks everybody for writing in it's good stuff and Thank you guys for making the trip But no for you know getting getting out of the the office and coming over here is really fun Jill Duffy you can find her work at PC mag calm anything in particular to let folks know about Oh, I have a weekly column called get organized So this is about simple solutions for cleaning up your very messy digital life Yeah, if you're a digital hoarder you need to read this and the signal podcast calm. Yeah, right, so This is both of us right Jill and I have been working on this for a month or so I've probably been kicking around the idea for a couple months and We just as in like this weekend got the website up. It's the signal podcast calm and the show is not yet Composed but we're taking our time with that and making it something that's Sounds pretentious, but craft it. I mean it's professional, but it's not like of the professional soul It's of the like creative soul Yeah This is just a fun project for us where we get to talk about some of the things that we hold near and dear to our hearts and some Things that are going around on around in New York City, which are sometimes a little under reported I think for the rest of the world, especially in the tech world Yeah, check it out the signal podcast.com is a beautiful website. You guys did a great job on that Can't believe the podcast isn't going to be like And Dan Patterson comm I'm writing for right. It's a little outside. I think as my career has progressed it's moved a little outside of tech So I'm writing about business for the Washington Post I'm writing for a docker some short form business right articles and then contently about You know the 5,000 word piece on church and state in the media here in New York So I'll talk to a lot of people like I think David Carr is on record for this. 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We'll be back tomorrow with Andrews Arian He's gonna actually leave Queens and come over here. See you there Yeah, that was really good. Thank you guys. Thank you. The only thing I feel bad about is making you stand through it You could have a seat If you would I'm gonna I'm gonna sit down myself But I usually leave the stream up while I post the show right away. So make yourselves at home Jenny you'll still be around we got to pick the show title Jenny you got and I'll forget radio. You'll just won't be able to hear her but everybody else So at show bot that reflex org if you guys want to follow along. Oh, this is great. Look at this So big Jim has pass holes comma. We're surrounded by pass holes That's four votes number three is Google Express from with dollar signs forming the s's from Todd Whitehead Big Jim again with a Rio again this time or cable News where this ever cable. Yeah news week from beat master. Of course spelled w e a k And my personal favorite from T2 T2 with which is it's mature on a box that one Got a hole in the box Fire up your tour browser. Yeah Well his step two was stick your stick your ethernet cable in the box Well, yeah, actually is legitimately this legitimately the second step And then another one from bio couch. I liked was TLDR don't reuse passwords Which is pretty much. Yeah, that's that is at least as far as like your takeaway of what you can do now That's definitely the TLDR and I'm let me look. I'll look through the deep cuts here I don't know. It's my torna box got the the most reaction from yeah I mean come on when you when you have a chance to make a Let's see drop box docks Dropped Yeah, those top ones are my favorite Is it going to be torn a box? I Mean come on. It's gonna be torn the box Not only is that at the best title. It's also like a Cool idea that deserves a little more title space Like the tour thing. Yeah, if you really make that work like make it super easy to be anonymous that would make me happy Yeah, me too, I wanted to get audited and people go. Wow, it's pretty good Can't find the start of the show today Hmm Yep, there it is I Didn't give myself enough There we go Who else Jill and Dan tell me the name of your site again? It's in the dock Thank you No, thank you 2014 1014 that's today, right Thank you, you get to see a lot more of the room now Dream is a nice website It is isn't it? It's gorgeous that oh stop. He's so modest. It has a mixtape on it Fantastic, this is a really nice. It's just a wordpress No, no, it's a ghost Mostly it's derived from wordpress, but it's like all markdown and php Wow This is nice. I'm exporting the mp3. So Passholes were surrounded by pass. I do like the idea of the pass hole. Yeah somehow But what a pass hole here's my question what a pass hole be the person with the 16 You know character Hashtag question mark password or would it be someone who's like password 1 2 3? Hmm. I think it's the people who make us use passwords. Yeah, okay Worked and actually recorded and everything much better than yesterday I Let them know we can still hear them on the podcast Yeah, that's all they know all right, you know, they can still hear you, right? Okay. They know Like This is a preview of the signal podcast Absolutely Yeah, she probably should She's a Native New Yorker. I Actually never had an accent so I shouldn't even pretend to try Was raised on the Upper West side of my as well have been raised in like, you know 89th and Central Park West Oh man classic That's that's like right where it meets Broadway, right? Right there and and where it meets my home turf of Grace Papaya Many a late night Substantially intoxicated good time was had there How long did you live here, Jenny? the first 26 years of my life give or take some forced time in New Jersey and some college in DC, but like it was my It was pretty actually close to 28. I forget I came out here in 2002 Yeah, so I'm in it. I moved for love And that's the only thing that I've gotten me to leave New York She's Hollywood now Oh Terrible no straight-up Hollywood like I can see this like I can't see the sign, but I can see the sign from a walkable distance from my house I'm in the flats That's awesome I Can see across the street Oh From here. Yeah, this is this place it is If you go if you're in the kitchen you can see though the one world center Freedom tower I see that's why I keep fumbling around what what do you what do you call it? That's why I use both because you you guys are both like In both It's a tiled interface Okay, I'm out of the post Jenny About to go in the post I'm defending my right to have once lived in a red control department on the upper Block west All right I'm gonna end the stream goodbye video One last goodbye here. You can't see Dan Goodbye. Goodbye