 I'm just waiting for y'all to catch up. That's what I see as I look through this game. I see a lot of people that not only listen to Pimp C, but they listened to Pimp C. And if you talk to his contemporaries, you talk to niggas like Chip and all of them, they'll tell you, man. Like man, Pimp was serious. He was serious about the South. He was dead serious. And that's why niggas like the TIs and the killer mics and these new generation, that's why they so serious about how they business is handled, how they videos is shot, how they clothes is tailored. All that techniques take pride because they South niggas. And they know it took a lot for South niggas even getting them rooms. We're going to come through clean. We're not going to show up, you know what I'm saying? Look at what up. Niggas wearing suit. I'm going to have to clean the suit. You know what I'm saying? Like niggas wearing shirt, watch me. Watch this. I'm going to show you how South niggas do it. I take so much pride in watching the show. I just went to Paris with Slim. Boy, I tell you, if Slim Doug ain't learned from Pimp C, I don't know who he learned from. Andy and Yellow niggas, two South niggas. Andy and Yellow niggas, two, that's the other. He putting on. And they're putting on for the city, man. It's a lot of niggas putting on, man. I'm proud of these niggas, I really am. They doing them a credit. They doing them justice by getting, I didn't get to this paper, man, it's so much money. And he niggas getting it. I love it. I used to have to sell a one record out of a stove. These niggas make one song and sell it 13 different God damn ways. Niggas only have to make an album. Niggas make one good record. Be out here. Look at me there. Me and that came right at the beginning of the digital era. Max that hoe out, ring tones, online sales, website, all of that shit. And then that man woke up one day and said, man, you know, eventually this rap shit gonna play out of my record ain't big like the last record. This show ain't, show money ain't gonna be like that. I need, I need this show money forever. Like I need this kind of bread that I'm getting now forever and start moving on it before the shit started going down. And he walked away from the game. Niggas the Barry sound is a rap. The nigga can still rap, can still make music and do all that shit, but it ain't really necessary. I did what I came to do. I said what I said. I see some old paper over there, I'm a holler at y'all. Look how hard it is to get around model Ross now. Think that nigga over there worried about rapping. That's probably the smallest chick he get. Well, obviously not cause he got the label deal and all that. He got his cinemas or whatever, but these things he trying to do, man. The effort that it takes to make the money that he's making from all these other different businesses and everything that it takes to kind of go into the music. Now he's where Jay is. When I make an album, it's to perpetuate my other businesses. When Ho make an album, it is not about the money an album make. He'll make more money from the sponsorships than the album could make, no matter how many it sell. We know Ross. From the tour partnerships that they'll produce from that type of shit. Ross getting some money. He got up and left talking to us to go get something in the middle of the conversation. Nigga, I get in the places as a rapper. I could never, I ain't never been invited to Coachella. There's no rapper. Nigga, they never ask me to come to Coachella and say a motherfucking word. They want them burgers again. Can you come back and can you do this festival too? Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta be open to change, man. You can't be trying to hold on to this shit for too long. God will be calling you and telling you, man, come over here, come over here. Now I'm good right here. I ain't my nigga. All right. See what I'm saying. And I ain't go, it ain't gonna be here. When you get back, when you get, yeah. You know what I'm saying? They ain't gonna be here. They came to me with that. I said, let's go. Been gone ever since. I've been to the restaurant in Houston and we had a conversation and a lot of the stuff that you said to me in that conversation stuck out. But one of the things that was profound was, you know, you getting to a point where you realize that, you know, the business of UGK got to a certain point and you realize that it was something else that you needed to be doing. And you didn't know it was this, but the way that the person presented it to you, you knew. Is there a way to be able to tell? Like, is there, like being somebody that's been in the business for so long, like is there a feeling that you get or is there some type of notion that you get to know when it's time to move? Though you've been around it so long. I do the rodeo every year, right? I do the Houston livestock show in rodeo every year in Houston. It's the biggest rodeo in the world, but it's also the biggest music festival in the world. Most people don't know this. They do 21 concerts in a row every night in the football stadium. And the rodeo and everything is separate from the concert. So you buy a ticket and you can go into the carnival and go to the pit and zoo and all of that. But if you want to go on to the concert, you got to buy another ticket. So they'll do about 2.2 million concert tickets. So, and it's a football stadium and it's not like when you go see Beyonce and they got the big stage and so a piece of the stadium, it's in the stages in the center of the football field. So every seat in that bitch is up for sale. You know what I'm saying? They seat 70 and after 70,000 is standing room only. I'm the first black man from Houston that's been happening in Houston just the 92nd year. Been going on for 92 years. I'm the first black man from Houston to ever headline. We've done it twice before. We did it in 2022. We did it. We did 73,000 people. We did it last year in 2023. We did 74,000 people. We get ready to do it again in March and I'm putting together the artists for it. And I try to put together a mix to try to get some younger people. When I say young, I'm 50. So I'm talking about 35, 36. I put these youngsters on. I put these young niggas in the game. You know what I'm saying? But I also try to give it up to my OGs as well. I try to give it up to people that were trans-settlers for me and I called the artist. I'm not gonna say this artist's name at all. I called an artist and I asked this artist to be a part of it. And the artist said, I would really love to, you know, I have respect for you. I think we just did something together, which we had, we had just performed somewhere together a couple months before. But she was like, you know, I just don't see it being worth just getting out of my house to go rap no more. I just don't see the value in it. LL is out. LL's going on tour, but LL's got liquor deal. LL's got merchandise. He's got several different corporate sponsors that underwrite it when people sell, you know, certain liquor in the building. He's getting money from so many different factors. And that's what I wanna do. That's the only way I wanna move right now. And I don't have to move if I don't want to. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just gonna pass. I appreciated the fact that that person was able and willing to explain to me something that I felt like I was starting to understand. You gotta get yourself to a position in life where you go to work because you want to, not because you have to. My grandfather was, I don't know, probably close to 90 years old. My grandfather had retired. The house was paid for. He didn't have to. And he would get up every morning and go 10 of the yard and go out in the field and go do all this stuff. And he'd be like, why? Pop out, no, it can't pop out, pay somebody to do that. Yeah, of course he can, but he enjoyed it. He don't wanna sit down and get stuck. You know, if you sit down for too long, you get stuck. And I'm just trying not to get stuck. You know what I'm saying? Now this artist is not stuck. This artist has other options. They can do a multitude of things, but if they gonna do that, we gotta do it different. I really came fuck with it. I really just came fuck with it. And that's kind of where I'm at now. You know, I got some great business opportunities in front of me that can go a long way. So when I come out and rap now, it's because I'm known to promote it for a while. He do good business, it's easy, and I can enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? We go to certain cities now, we just go cause we know we can go eat somewhere and we get to see so and so and then. You know what I'm saying? Let's go. Oh, we going in there now, but we get to go eat this and we'll see DJ Prince in them. Oh, we going there now. So we know we get to go eat here and we'll get to see so and so and then like that. Yeah, no. And you just gotta, but you gotta think about this shit before. Getting paid in the back room with guns. Hey man, look, that shit get old, bro. That shit get old. That shit get old, man, getting paid, you know, having to have pistols when you go to work, man. And it's legal shit. You still gotta bring a pistol to work. Like it's crazy. Like I'm working in the wrong rooms. You know what I'm saying? And look, we'll go back and we'll go to Birmingham or we'll go to Lafayette. You know, we'll go to these smaller markets, Mobile and Jackson, Mississippi. We'll still go back cause we've been going for 25. I've been going to Jackson, Mississippi with Stokes for 32 years. Why don't I go back for 33? I already know the two time a year you're gonna call. I know what's going on in town. It's a good time to get a lot of people, be some good food and shit, get to hang out. It's comfortable. It's cool. It's easy, you know? Is he gonna pay me what my time really was? Not really, but I ain't doing nothing this weekend anyway. I'll go out there and fuck with it. You know what I'm saying? It's comfortable to be able to be at this level of life to be able to make those kind of decisions. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I got grandbabies now, man. You know, I turned down concerts to go to cheer competitions, my nigga. Like I turned down good old fashioned hard currency to go spend some time with them babies because it's times when the kids were younger that I would work on Thanksgiving cause they pay extra on Thanksgiving. And I work on Christmas Eve cause they pay extra on Christmas Eve. You work on New Year's Eve. But if you ever worked on Christmas Eve, you'd come back home Christmas Eve. So good. Okay, what the fuck I'm doing? Well, if you go work on Christmas Eve, you come home, you can't even play with them babies like you want to. They already been up. They didn't open toys and shit, man. You know, I'm building my company now, man. And two of the people that run this company with me, man, they, he missed his child walking. He missed the first word because he doing things that he know will benefit this child later. But that shit still hurt, you know what I'm saying? That shit still hurt. Can't buy a time. Can't buy a time. And if you live long enough and you bless with the opportunity of having children and no children are blessed with having children, you try to, you try to right those wrongs. You know what I'm saying? You try to do things with the grandkids that you couldn't do with your kids. That's why the grandparents are always treating the grandkids a little bit better. And you know what your kids say? Who the fuck is this nigga? Right. Cause I didn't get that, dude. Who the fuck is this nigga? Your papa, I don't even know this man. Right. You still know this man at all. This man just did makeup and tea parties. That's what my brother knew was old. You getting the good daddy. Yeah, man. Ain't even mad at me nigga. You getting the bitch. I ain't even tell him. I ain't even tell him. I ain't even tell him. Welcome back to the AFI Top Show. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. That's the hardest intro of all times right there. That's the hardest intro of all times. She go, we ain't bringin' nothing belligerent still here. Man. It was a great day there. It was a great day. It was a good day. A great day. And I already knew coming in and talking with him, he was gonna want to know this deep UGK shit. Oh man. It's very deep profound shit. And I knew I was gonna get emotional, but this is safe space I feel like. Most of it, man. That's the honest thing. He's gonna do the intro, man. And I'm not gonna see this, right? Man. Yeah, yeah, no. Everybody's gonna see it, man. Good. I don't know where I'm gonna see it. Good, I'm good with that. Man, it brings me great pleasure to have one of the most prolific MCs in hip hop history from, in my opinion, the greatest hip hop group in hip hop history. You biased, but I give you that. I don't give a fuck. Yes, I am. Keep going. I'm beyond biased. Keep going. I'm talkin' about from ridein' dirty. I mean, the list goes on and on. Pocket full of stones, too hard to swallow. I mean, one of the most profound lyricists, I mean, that has given game all the way through and through for years. I mean, help raise me. Now I'm one of the most prolific businessmen with trail burgers, some of the most delicious burgers you'll ever have. And I had one that wasn't even made out of meat and it was good. You hungry? I had one before they hit the stone. He did. He was makin' them bitches backstage. That's how serious he is, man. Literally, an honor and a pleasure to introduce the one and only, Bun B. Thank you, thank you. Thank y'all. Thank y'all so much. Thank y'all. Thank y'all. I got sand up, too, shit, man. Yeah, sure, shit. I ain't workin' like I'm better than you, man. OG, man. That was hard. OG, man. What do I owe you for that shit? Nothing, you don't owe me nothing, man. You give it all you already needed to give. You deserve it. I'll love it, man. You know, OG, man. I have to say, man, it's, you know, I'm not, a lot of shit is not lost on me. And I was a fan of this show. I've kind of been tryin' to get on this hook. You know what I'm sayin'? It's y'all and then it's Club Shay Shay and I think I might be done. I appreciate it. But I remember, I don't tell a story like that. I remember when I did Big Pemberham. I'm not gonna get into the shit about makin' the record. I remember I was at the office, was talkin' to Dane, and then Hove came in, and there was the day that we was set to record the song. And Nick said, man, you hungry? You wanna get something to eat? I said, yeah, I'm cool. So we went downstairs and we got in the nigga Bentley and we ridein' around through Manhattan. Like, and I'm like, I just saw this nigga video where this nigga was in this car, ridein' around Manhattan. The shit felt so surreal. And that's kinda how it feel like right now in this room because I done seen y'all talkin' so many niggas in this room and had these conversations. And I'm actually on the sofa. And here's the craziest shit at all. So y'all know when y'all came to Houston, when I came to the show, me and my wife came to the show. And I told my wife, I was like, you know, I'm gonna do 85 South. She said, oh, for real? She's like, wait, y'all just be talkin', she's like, I'm like, no, it's a whole video show. You gotta sit down in a room and all that. She say, oh, so that's why the stage got the sofa and everything? Nigga, I... I was two days old when I realized that this shit was a replication down to the shit on the hang. Oh, shit completely. But here's why. Because I watched it from the side. I didn't watch it from the crowd. So I didn't get this perspective. I'm gonna watch you niggas being silly, but from the side of the stage. It never, but to be fair, she was on the side too when she figured it out. So what did I tell you about me? I married up. Right. Talk to your dad. I married up. Man. You know, even if you have a 401K for retirement, you can still have an IRA. 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That's right. It's BlueChill.com, promo code 85 self to receive your first month free. Visit BlueChill.com for more important details and safety information. And we thank them good people over there at BlueChill for sponsoring this podcast. Now you went on a legendary feature run. What's the most features you think you've done in a day? In a day? In a day? In a day. Because it's like, that's hilarious. You ain't fumbling on no fucking verse. Nobody has recorded my vocals more than the gentleman over there in the hoodie, Cory Moore. Oh, he get a whole separate interview. Well, I already get Cory Moore gonna do the follow up. And when I say nobody's recorded me more, I mean more songs over a period of time or more verses in a day. The only project that I don't think you recorded me at all for Cory was no mixtape. I think you didn't do that. And so that was the freestyle out. But I think on one day I did like seven, but they're not features, that was songs. But you recorded me for features. How many features do you think you've seen me do in one day? And when we say one day, they explain how many features and explain the time. Because the time is the thing. It's not the number of songs. It's how quick we do these. Turn around. Yes. I tried to come after traffic. It's done in the morning, but I need to be gone before traffic started to evening. You gotta pick the break heads up now, this shit. I wake up full of, I'm ready to go. When I wake up in the morning, I'm a bundle of motherfucking energy, like they say. He laid two today. I landed in Atlanta at 1115. I got to the studio at 12 o'clock. I laid two verses and a hook and left the studio at 1230 and came here. But you said that- And I'm going to the studio as soon as I leave here. I seen you say that it don't take you long to rap. Like it don't take you long. So do you think that, well, what does that come from? Having something to say. Having something to say. That's the only thing that complicates you. When you have a writer's block, you really ain't got shit to say. That's what writer's block is. It's not a block of thoughts. It's a lack of thoughts. You ain't taking in enough information. You're not interacting enough with the world. You're not paying attention to what's around you. So you really ain't got nothing to talk about, but what's inside your four walls? And that's going to run dry very, very quickly. So you got to be out, man. You got to be reading. You got to be watching. You got to be talking. You got to be seeing. You got to take in the world. If you don't take in the world, the fuck are you talking about? You're going to end up just making up shit. That's the problem. People not taking in enough information. And you don't have to be old. That's a very big misconception. You don't have to live long to have wisdom. Wisdom don't come from being old and smart. Wisdom comes from seeing things as they really happen in the world and learning how to adjust to these things. That's what wisdom comes from. But not from being perfect and smart. It's about from being imperfect but resourceful. Yes, sir. I'm sorry, I ain't mean to. No, we love it. That's why you're paying me with that new paper. We love it. We love that. But I would say to answer your question, seven, would that be safe? And then they giving us the least man in the day. Because I'm not in the studio all day. I'm not trying to do all that shit all day. Most people go to the studio to avoid home. I work very hard to get to a house that I don't want to leave. I'm not trying to leave my house. People don't understand that shit. God damn, I don't know what you're doing. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I feel you. That's the whole point of it, man. The work, you're supposed to work hard enough to get the home that you can retire in. I learned that from Bruce's meetings. You ever seen the movie Bruce's meetings before? He fined all that money trying to find the room he could die in, right? And at the end, when all the money was gone, the woman had finally given him, he was like, this is it. This is the room I could die in. That imprinted on me. I want to work hard enough to get the money, to get the house that I want to die in. That'll be the next house. I got a nice house right now. But the Burger House? The Burger House, yeah. The Burger House? The Burger House, that's what you got to call it. The Burger House. The Burger House. We want some yard yard. I don't want a bigger house. I want a bigger park. Bigger park. I want some yard yard. I don't need no more house, ain't but me and her. We just staying in Texas for it? Yeah, that's where the land at. That's where it's at. I mean, George, that's what I'm doing. Yeah, that's too far to move at. Too far to move at. I don't know, I already started plotting down there. I'm coming. Yeah, no, man. I want land. I want land. You got to be an executive, right, Def Jam? Yes. Work on the executive side. So somebody who had bad record deals and didn't get to work as an executive, like, what did those worlds collide in? So what I did, I was basically the A and R for Def Jam South. So by the time I come into it, you didn't already sign your deal. I can't really do nothing about that. If you ain't signed a good deal, I can't really do nothing about that. And I can't knock you because I signed one of the worst deals in history. So yeah, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. We'll get to that later. It's pretty bad. I won't get to that. You're still dealing with it now? My deal, my record deal? The bad one. Yeah, I'm still in debt. You know what I'm saying? The way it's worked and everything, I'm still in debt for about $2 million. But I've also been around long enough that my catalog will revert to me and my balance will go to zero. Because I'm what they call a legacy artist. I was signed before 2000. The only reason that it hasn't all reverted and I haven't got my zero balance yet is because UGK took money after 2000. You know what I'm saying? So we took money in 2007. So technically there's seven years on the end of where we should have stopped. So I think from here, it's 24, might be 27 or 28, something like that. I think all of this stuff is gonna start reverting back. I could be wrong by a year or two, but I also know that's when UGK will be eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm very interested to see how that goes. Yeah, sir, all the way. Well, it's gonna be fast. A couple of niggas are supposed to be in there before I get there. But I am eligible, so whenever y'all get around to it, I'll let you boy. So you know, I'll let you boy. Now, what do you think, being as though you'd have been rapping for so long? Do you have a favorite Bumbi verse that you've done? I do. Like if you had to put one in a time capsule when they opened it up that defined you when they listened to it, would you? Oh, now you say define me. You asked what my favorite was. God damn, the one that defined me got to be like highlight for some shit like that. Highlight. I think blood on the dash, the record I recorded with Gary Clark Jr. I think that's a very, very interesting record because it's a record about a police interaction from the perspective of the officer and the perspective of the person getting pulled over. So you get to see why the person got pulled over. You get to see what the cop is thinking as he walks to the car, what the person at the car is thinking as the cop walks to him. It's a very different kind of record and it ends like kind of where they interact with it. You never know how these things go. That's why I left the open, the end in open because you never know how these kind of interactions will go somewhere. But I did try to, without taking the police side, make sense as to why a cop would be scared at work. Now let me ask you this. This is a question I always- I'm talking about a cop that's scared at work, not a bully cop looking to do something. This is a question I always wanted to ask. I feel like a lot of nervous police that shot people. I feel like a lot of nervous niggas that shot people too. I digress. Now in the rap, on Woodwill, you said that you was a conservative liberal. Yes. That's true. Technically, yeah. But financially, I'm conservative, but lifestyle, I'm liberal. I don't really care what you do in your bed, just don't fuck with my money. Okay. Capitalists. Got to do it. Look, I'm still a philanthropist though. Right? I'm charitable. So I'm not about just making money for me. Typically right now at this point, a lot of the money that I'm trying to make won't even benefit me. I'll be dead and gone. Generation. You know what I'm saying? So it's more about generational wealth, but also with financial empowerment on top of it. Because it's easy to leave somebody's money, but if niggas don't manage $500, give them more money and they're not gonna help you. People don't get financial education when they get money. They get financial education, and then they get money. Now you one of the guys that the hip hop community leans on are like the one that they grab up when they need somebody to go talk sense. Turn into Charlie Rose like a motherfucker. Like a motherfucker. Let me cook. It's 24. Yeah. But like, you want to be able to... You got on the ones that... Huh? Nah, nigga, this is... Oh, what are you fucking up? God! You fucked me up. You fucked me up. I'm like, wait a minute. Where that voice come from? He got on the ones that... I'm loud for real. I'm just saying, when they want to... they want to hit somebody to talk sense or, you know what I mean, be the voice of reason or something. You're one of the guys that they go get like... How does that feel to be in that position? Out of all the rappers, man, they go get you to make sense of some shit or talk to them white people when they need somebody to make out of it. You not lying, man. You a devil. I don't see any of them in the cover bar. I'm like... You can go downtown and talk to the man and get shit. Ask somebody that ain't been through nothing to talk about something. Right. That's the problem. We put a lot in the lap of the younger artists and think they supposed to... They ain't been through enough shit. Some of these dudes just ain't really been through enough shit. Politics really hasn't come into play in their life in that way. You know what I'm saying? So why would you ask them what they think about politics? They probably don't think about politics. You know what I'm saying? They maybe just don't have a frame of reference. It ain't that they don't know. Here's the thing. Sunday morning in the black household, it's music like maize, earth, wind and fire, maybe some church music. That's what's playing in the house in the black home on Sunday morning. And the white home is Meet the Press. This week with George Stephanopoulos. You know what I'm saying? Face the nation. That's the shit I'm talking about. You know how to say shit like Stephanopoulos. Well, that's just a name, my nigga. It's not a... It's not a noun. That's what they wore when you said it was. It's not a noun. George Stephanopoulos. It's not for monopoly. But that's just it, man. Other people and other cultures typically have an earlier entry point into these conversations. Black people don't even really talk about election and politics, but every four years. Meanwhile... How important it is. Yeah, but meanwhile it's the niggas that saw your city council and your schoolboy. They get elected every two to three years, depending on where you live at. Those are the people that are really making decisions that affect you every day like that. Those are the people that decide whether or not that pothole on your mama's street get filled. That type of shit. You know what I'm saying? But that's just not something that we're told is important on a daily basis. They don't teach civics in school no more. But even if they did teach civics in school, it wouldn't matter because it ain't got shit to do with test scores. And that's really all they do in school now is teach kids how to pass state tests so they can keep funding or whatever. They really don't care about actually teaching kids things that could actually benefit them further in life. Because passing a state examination test ain't got shit to do with making money and prospering in this world. Not a motherfucking thing. So when young people tell you they don't wanna go to college, you would ever look what school was. School wasn't shit. It didn't even really engage a lot of these kids. If you're not in the AP class or honor class, you don't even, your intellect isn't even really engaged, right? They like you're, and let's be very, very real. We got a lot of kids in school that don't even wanna be in school. In the classroom with kids that actually do wanna learn something. That's a big problem. That's a big problem. We got classrooms, 35 kids in the room, 12 kids trying to learn and 23 kids fucking off, right? Because due to home situations, concerns or lack of involvement in their life, lack of engagement at home, God knows what kind of environment they see and they live in every day. It's just no one pushing them into an alternative that could benefit them. You know what I'm saying? And so they take that frustration. Somebody said some ill shit the other day. Somebody said, children should sleep in a bed with their parents till they're seven years old. Because up until then, children are very, very scared. He said, when a child is in a bedroom by itself and they get scared and nobody's there, that's when peeing in the bed starts, that kind of stuff, that's the behavior. Cause they have nightmares and dreams and they're alone. They say when children sleep in the bed with their parents, they tend to not pee in the bed. Cause if they wake up scared, somebody's gonna rub them, caress them, console them in the moment. You know what I'm saying? We have to do a better job of nurturing our children. We can't keep giving kids phones and iPads. It ain't shit. And they understand it better than you. So how the fuck can you monitor your children? Social media page, when A, you don't know enough about social media. B, you on social media fucking off. Ndms and shit. You know what I'm saying? Hey, who got your daughter? Your daughter is a teenager, right? Your daughter is 15. Did you teach your daughter how to create an email account? Or has your daughter had to teach you how to create an email account? No, I told her, but the thing is though, that I do with my daughter is I let her lead in regards to the social aspect. Cause I want to make sure that it's not something that she feels like she needs to hide from me. I want her to show me all the tricks. I want her when some new shit come out and that's that the keep the youngest is doing. I want her to be like that. And he checked this out. Look what they doing now. So I can be like, oh, I'm here because I know that there's no way I'm gonna be able to be in tune with this machine the same way she is. Like some always say is the etch a sketch was the iPad. At one point that was the most profound technology we had was the etch a sketch. Now was the iPad. So eventually something gonna make the iPad just as irrelevant as the etch a sketch. And I want to be in tune with somebody who won't grow with it to make me understand it to where I'm not coming in blind, trying to and looking like an old nigga and getting circles ran around. And that's the thing, right? But you, I, the way I look, I feel like you have a very, and I see it in the video. You have a very different dynamic with your daughter. Like it's very understood that you're the father. She's the child, right? But y'all get along. Like you get along with a teenage girl. That's just amazing. My nigga, like I, I know nothing of this. I didn't get, we didn't get along with all the teenage daughter like this. My granddaughter is 15 years old. My parents constantly, like, you know what I'm saying? But you're right. You do have to be more involved with your kids. But I feel like you've been involved before the social media and the electorate come in. Typically, I don't know how many situations I've been in where the parent is trying to do something, the child is bothering them, and the parent is like, here, just take the phone. Yeah. Just take the phone, you know? You ever tried to buy a kid official price cell phone? Man, they look at that shit. Like what the fuck is this? Is this the box? Where yours? That's how they look at you. They look at that shit. They look at your phone. What the fuck is this? Give me the app nigga. Give me the birds and the bubbles and the shit. Like, what are you doing? I remember my daughter found a Game Boy and asked me what type of phone this was. I said, damn, I'm, whoa. Like, she found a Game Boy. She was like, daddy, what type of phone is this? Like, ain't no damn phone. That's a Game Boy. She was like, well, where the phone at? You know what I mean? And then for me, I just know that, I think it comes from me not having a father because I don't have no reference point. I don't have anything to go back to that a father's supposed to do with their child. So I'm making it up as I go. So a lot of things that I'm sure if I had my dad, I probably would be restrictive because it came from, and it just passed down. I don't have that. So I'm more open minded. Yo, what's happening? Is your boy DCM fly back at it again with Prize Picks? NBA All-Star weekend just passed, you dick. So you know we're about to see some good basketball before the playoffs, okay? So go right now and download Prize Picks right now and use the promo code 85 South, all right? Getting started is so easy. You register for an account, make it to deposit and pick more or less on two to six player stats to win payouts of up to 25 times your entry. All first time users that deposit and use your promo code will receive a 100% instant deposit matchup up to $100. So if you deposit $100, you already know Prize Picks gonna give you $100. 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I'm talking about nothing but me jerking off all around her apartment. Nigga, ain't no way in the world I could have been in there with some cameras and then let alone a girl. Nigga, how'd it been fucking in her bed? Like, ain't no way in the world. So just me understanding that dynamic lets me know that, okay, I got a good baby. So I can't be, I can't act like she's like me and be as restrictive like I was when I was her age. They baked some cookies and they looked like biscuits. Yeah, I was there, but yeah, I was not. I ain't got that. Right, that's the thing, right? When you are trying to raise your child with the best of intentions, right? And you don't let the worst of you be the reason why you make a certain decision. You don't let how you feel in the day determine how you make a decision, right? Whether or not your child gets to go somewhere depending on how you feel in that day. That doesn't sound like that. You know what I'm saying? If the child has earned the right to go and do something, we should do it regardless of how it inconvenience us. These are the kinds of things. You have to be very intentional into what you're doing and why you're doing it. But the child has to also be aware enough to see that, you know what, I know a lot. I got a lot of friends, they got a lot of daddies. They daddies do stuff for them and with them, but not like my daddy. Like my dad is really, really like trying to be a daddy. You know what I'm saying? That's just important for children. Most children want to know that they can depend on their parents. Whether they show you the appreciation or not, whether they, you know, your butt heads and all of that shit, man, at the end of the day, when the bullshit is going on, they call home that mama gonna pick up and even if mama gonna be mad that the motherfucker mama come and get me. You know what I'm saying? That right there, that shit goes a long way. You know what I'm saying? Telling the kids, look, if you fuck up, call me, I'ma come get you. You fuck around and get the drink with somebody. You know you drunk, don't get no call with nobody. Then they'll tell them what they gonna do, call me. I'ma come and get you, we'll talk about it in the morning. That was always the thing like, whatever happened, mom, we got pulled over by the police. All right, we finna come get you. You know, we gonna handle this and we fuck around, get into it with the police. You know what I'm saying? But tomorrow, you have to explain to me about this shit, but we gonna do what we need to do as a family. Let's come and see if I can get you before we put you in the car. If they put you in the car, we gonna go down there and get you. You know what I'm saying? It all went bad, my wife ended up in the car. You got the wrong motherfucker, man. No, that day they had the right one. That's the thing. Fuck it with her job, they had the right one. I think that one thing I do with my daughter, like if I make a promise, and she know, because I'm like, her friends, dad, they do whatever their jobs is, but I'm like, you also gotta understand that your friends, parents are successful as well. They just do different jobs. Your daddy is an entertainer. This is why I be gone so I can do the little, but I'm here to tell you, it's not gonna be like that for too long. I'ma tell you what, I gotta retire early, because first of all, I want to, and like you said, you want to retire in the house, you want to die. Absolutely. So I don't want to be out here doing all this extra work. So what I'm trying to tell you is, you in the first grade, I got time, but I ain't got too much time. I'm trying to make sure I beat up at least by middle school. So, you fifth grade, sit grade, oh baby, daddy at home here, it got damn day. That's with the blessing of being like almost immediately successful. When I say immediate, some people take 10, 15, 20 years. If you cracked that nut in the first five years, you beat the game. Like you beat the game. For the first time you pick up the pen to the day you signed that paper, five years, you beat the game like a moth. Gotta go. Gotta go. It'll take way longer than that for a moth gonna pick up a basketball and bouncing for five years and getting the NBA unless he's seven foot two. Right. You know what I'm saying? Some shit like that. So, no, and it's kind of hard to designate what hard work is in entertainment. Right? Because it's not physical labor, but it's physically taxing. You know what I'm saying? Spending a lot of time with creative energy, it takes a lot out of the body. People don't know that. It's your traveling. You know what I'm saying? Traveling, getting up, getting up. My body don't even know how to work when I'm at home now. You know what I'm saying? I will automatically wake up about five o'clock in the morning. Not just because I'm old because my body expect me to have to get up and go to the airport. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, I never miss flights. I don't miss nothing because my body already know. I don't be tired dragging through the airport. They don't even go to sleep. Who me? I can't go to sleep. I go to sleep when I get tired. I fall asleep. I don't go to sleep. I can't lay in a bed and just go to sleep. I can't do anything. That don't just work for me. I get in the bed when I'm tired. But just like time to go to bed, what the fuck that mean? Right. My body don't know what to fuck that mean. I done been to sleep at every, I've probably been asleep in a 24 hour period. Every goddamn minute. Facts. But in the day, at some point in my life, I done been to sleep. What time is it right now? I done been to sleep at this time of day. One time. Many times. Many times. You know what I'm saying? When I'm tired, my pastor told me a long time, shout out to pastor August, Walter August. And man, I say, my wife get mad because I be taking naps in the daytime. He say, why do you take naps? In the daytime, I say, because I be tired. He say, why are you tired? Because I work long nights. That's just the rest of your sleep. Yeah. Your sleep, the eight hours that you supposed to get at night, yours young man are broken down in three. One and a half, 45 minutes, 115. Like your eight hours are accumulative. So when you tired, go to sleep. Like when you tired, go to sleep because you're no good to nobody unrested. And me, I can trust my wife out. I'll have a, let's say I got to perform at one o'clock. It'd take 30 minutes to get from the hotel to the club. I'm gonna sleep to a 12, 15. Thanks. I'm gonna sleep to a 12, 15, get up, jump in the shower, get dressed, go downstairs. Let's go. And she be like, what did you get out of that? How the fuck did you have got anything out of that? I be jumping around like a rabbit. And they're both like, what you mean? I'm ready to go. Come right back. Let's do this. Right back down. My wife lay down for 30 minutes. She gonna continue to lay down. Be out of it. Beyond for several 30 minutes. People ain't no good, but I don't, because of how we used to move and the place we at. I used to have to stay in hotels with the front door exposed. Like Laquinta Inn, Red Roof, that type of shit. I come up in that era. Well, even in a nice hotel, you was exposed to the street. So that was sad. Yeah, so you go, it'd be certain days where, it'd be certain days where you haven't shown, I'm holding, I can talk about this shit. It'd be certain days where you'd be like, damn, it was some fine ass girls in that club. So when the cars start turning, cause they already know, they got an idea where the rabbits are staying when they come to the town. So when the cars start turning around, you be peeking out the room, see if it's a car full of girls, you gonna stand outside and act like you're smoking weed. Yeah. But then you go to that gangsta ass city, right? Where you can tell the niggas is lurking. Hey man, get back to his motherfucking room, closing blinds, cut the lights off, lock them doors, don't let them niggas know where you at. I hope you got ice and sodas in your room. Cause we leave this club, we're going straight to that hole. Fags, shut it down. And then you see them niggas lurking around that hole. Cause they know they all they need to find out what door that door kicked in. What door kicked in? That door was kicked in. Well I tell them now, no doors on the outside. It took a lot, it took a lot for us to start flying. Pimp never got comfortable with flying. Cause he couldn't bring no pistol. Oh yeah. Y'all old school, old school. Cause he couldn't bring no pistol. Y'all ain't driving New York. Y'all came up during the time when it was really real. When you show up and, there wasn't no way to put no insurance on yourself by going live and talking crazy and letting niggas know, oh yeah, we going to do that. What's yours? Shit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. When you were going to the city and there was heavy gangsta shit going on, you tried to get in quietly. Right. You know what I'm saying? Late low, yeah. You know the west side niggas and the north side niggas beefing out their own. Where the show at? Show on the east side. Fuck, that mean niggas from both sides come. Oh, Chico, I tell you, we're switching. Let's be roomy. What? We'll be fuckin' around the city and then, then it's a nice leg. Yeah, I'm switching rooms. Hell nah, if I get to a city and I'm over too excited to see me at the front desk, I'm not staying at that hotel. First of all, make a hell nah. First of all, a promoter ain't, promoters don't book my travel. No, my hotel and none of that shit. I still got to do a sound check, man. Yeah. You stop doing that shit then. No, I booked my own travel. I don't know, nigga. I see you had sound check in there at the show. I start booking my own travel. We want him to come drop the money off. I see you had sound check. I said, I start booking my travel when I realize this nigga. I was his hangover, I was his show off. And they gonna book the room right next door. Nah, he done booked me to hang with him. We going, yeah man, you know, your room ain't ready yet so you can get a ride with me. If you go get something to eat, finish the order. Nigga, I'm with everywhere. And he like, I got DC, he in the car. In the first year. I'm not your bitch. In the first year of UGK, we went to a very small town in Louisiana. This is in the first year of UGK. We went to a very, very small town in Louisiana. And we got to the Ramada Inn. That's how long ago it was. Got to the Ramada Inn with the doves on the inside. So it was nice. Okay, it was a nice one. It was nicer now. You know what I'm saying? And then we checking in and the nigga was like, shit, here you go, my nigga. And they gave me some crack. They gave me some crack. I was like, what the fuck? I thought y'all might want to go hang on the cuts and slay some shit while he was here. Oh, so he was like. And they gave y'all some crack to sale. That's a nice hotel. Like, just for us, you know what I mean? So we were feeling more comfortable. Right. Yeah. We go a couple of nigga bags. You turned it down, but I wonder who the nigga was like. Man, I'm fucked with you, bro. You a real nigga, bro. Get out here and sell that crack for this shit. You said that outside. And they gave me two eight balls. I was afraid. Damn. And to be fair, it was like a quarter slap. So I probably would have bagged about 350, 400. That night? That night? And to be fair, back then, I wasn't making no hell of a five-money rapping. This is, again, this first album, first year. You know what I'm saying? So you could have used that little extra dollars, but not that case. So tell it, so tell it. Like, the difference from now, because I hear you say, like, I'm making more now than what I did back then. Now, this is when the album's popping, going crazy. So even still with show money, it was still a little bit tight? Well, it wasn't that it was tight, right? It was, it took a while for the money to catch up to the fame. See, we didn't have videos. We weren't in magazines. So, nigga, they didn't even know what we was and shit like that until we actually went somewhere and did something. So it became more of a word of mouth thing. Like, you know, who are they? Y'all see them niggas? What they look like? What are all this type of shit? And then we come and we do the shows and you're every taking all the niggas came and it's a jamming too, you know? So a reputation started to kind of spread from net, you know? So we, but it's a lot different now than it was then. You know what I'm saying? People would actually go to the club and be willing to listen to a motherfucker they hadn't really heard before do some music. I'm gonna hit that shit now. No? You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, if your shit wasn't jamming and the girls got off the dance floor, I don't even know if clubs really have dance floors no more. All I see is tables, you know what I'm saying? But if the girls got off the dance floor, that was it for you. DJ might not have this shit out of here type of shit. But it was, the clubs back then was a lot different than now and it was the same. Wasn't no bottle service or none of that type of shit. Right. But it was a lot more fighting. I will say it was a lot more, you know, I see now every now and then like, if it's a problem at the club, somebody gets shot. Right. That's typically when you know it's a problem at the club, somebody gets shot. And people ain't getting shot at the club every night. Right. You know what I'm saying? Every now and then people get shot, but back then, no, it was some, you went to the club with four or five niggas, y'all better be ready to fight. It's a squabbling going on. Yeah. So when we first used to leave, we'd be in about four or five car caravan. So we was only going to Small Hood. We leave Portland, we're going to Lake Charles. They'd be ready to fight. Going to Lafayette. They'd be ready to fight. Go to Strawberries and Broberry. You best be ready to fight. You go to Baton Rouge. You better be ready to shoot. Go to New Orleans. Do you really got to go to New Orleans? All right, well, you got to go to New Orleans and bring your gun, but we're trying not to shoot because they got gun guns. They got gun guns. That was the first time I saw like a plurip, like a bunch of niggas with AKs. Like most of the niggas in New Orleans in 93 when I went out there. 93, that was real. I won. Who we got to talk to about getting us a trail burger out here? Good franchise. I could have brought you one. It would have been cold. No, we need a franchise. Oh, no, it's going to be a minute before you get that here. Why? A minute before you get that here. These things take time. We're not just popping them up like that. This is a real business. It takes time. I got to figure out where I need to open up in Atlanta. And see, everybody want to franchise. Right, everybody. Man, I need a franchise. I want a franchise. Just tell me you want, let me hold something. Just tell me, let me hold something. But that's what you're asking when you ask for a franchise. Oh, let me hold something. What the heck? Well, give me some burgers then. That's what you're talking about. Got to drink the beef. I mean, you see, I got a lick and everybody want in. I get it. It's a lick. It looks like it's paying off. No, see, I don't want the lick. Instead of me going to try to extend and help subway, I'd rather fuck with Trio Burger. Just keep buying burgers. You're healthy. Just keep buying your burgers. Because if I had to sell a franchise, that means you get to make the money. If I get your franchise, you just go operate it. Can I keep the money? I'm not going to pay for that. You know the franchise fee? You got to pay the franchise fee and don't you get a percentage of the store? I get royalties. As soon as you fuck up, I get it back. I get the whole store back. Ain't nobody fucking up. Ain't nobody coming in here, man. I'm like, I don't want to rob a burger place. I'm like, I don't want to sell a nigga that I know going to fuck up. We ain't got nothing but beef in here, man. Do you need about three months? Y'all going to buy the raw meat? Try to get some cheaper bread. Hell no. We're going to go through your feed. No, we're going to go through the SOP. We're not going to be in Trio Burger selling winded burgers. The power to be. Right. Nigga have an inspection coming in and be like, these ain't Trio Burger. Fuck it, this. Man. That's what I'm so scared of, like letting this brand get away from me. You know what I'm saying? Because I know what I'm going to do. I know how I'm going to work. I don't know how you're going to operate. And I know why I'm doing this. I built this, you know what I'm saying? Because it was a really good product. And I knew that my culture could help grow this company. And it's a great way of showing how hip hop can pretty much sell anything in this world and so that niggas can think broader. Everybody ain't going to have a burger, but everybody's going to find something from their career, from their lifestyle, from their culture that can translate to something else. The skills that I learned to sell music are the same exact skills I use to sell burgers in terms of promotion and marketing. I knew my album was jamming. So I ain't had no problem going to the city, getting on the radio, going to a club, playing some music, you know what I'm saying? I know niggas going to like my shit because my shit jamming. Same thing with the burger. I don't have no problem going to New York, California, Florida, St. Louis. I don't give a fuck where we got to go with this burger. I'll take it anywhere because I know this bitch going to go. Have you always been known for having good burgers or just chipping up shit? Not at all. Not at all. Burger business. I had a food blog. I still got a food blog. We've been doing it about 12 years now. But I ain't no hell of a fire cook like that. You know what I'm saying? I didn't make this burger. He brought me this burger. Asked me to be a partner. But what do you say that you don't like being in the studio? When I came to the burger spot, you was in there walking around, greeting people, being in there like, so is there a different passion for that than you have for what has made you? This burger is for me what UGK was for Chad. Wow. Damn. That's a hell of a statement right there. I can see all the way to success just like he saw with the music. It was a clear path to success. Just let us do what the fuck we do. They wouldn't let us do it on too hard to swallow. They kind of try to let us do it on super tight. Only until we say, man, just don't just give us some equipment and get the fuck out of the way and don't change nothing we give you. Like don't change one song, nothing. If the sample don't clear, call us and tell us. We'll reproduce it. Once they gave us what we needed to have to make the music and got the fuck out of the way, it all started making sense. That's all I needed with this burger was an opportunity to cut through all the bullshit and just put the burger in front of motherfuckers and let them try the burger. So I took the burger everywhere that I could go and that's why I say Coachella would never give me a credential to even get in that hole. You know what I'm saying? I had artist parking. I had my own golf carts around that hole. I'm moving around these felons. I'm flexing around these holes. You know what I'm saying? I'm moving around rolling loud, man. Shout out to Alex and Terrick and Matt and them over at Rolling Loud. I'm talking about, I'm having it my way. You know what I'm saying? All on birth. First phone call I made at Rolling Loud. I set up a call. First, I said, hey, man, look, OG, we have so much respect for you, man. We're so happy to have you. You know, wanting to be interested in being a part of the festival, but we just want to be very clear and transparent. The way we book talent over, whoa, whoa, whoa. I ain't trying to rap. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were, no, I'm trying to do the burgers. Oh, say no more, what do you want to do? Where do you want to go? They sent us the map. Where do you want to put them? How you want to do it? How you want to do that? The doors that the music could not open. A lot of people think this rap shit is going to get you everywhere you want to go. No, they want to know how you became successful. What is your skill set? What did you, what did you work hard and train to do? How does that transcribe into other spaces? When I was a rapper, I do this thing called Gumball 3000 every year. I've been doing it for the last 13 years. These are some of the richest people in the world. Like literally some of the most. Liquid people, not just paper money, liquid people in the world. And I had great friends. You know they got money and they can just race around and race cars and Lamborghinis and shit. And I've had amazing relationships and made great friends. But because none of them was really an entertainment business, there was nothing really, there was no business to talk about. Now that I'm in this space right now, everybody is, hey man, I do market research for this. Hey man, I do capital funding for this. Hey man, I do this, I do that. All of these kinds of things. Now they can help me. You know what I'm saying? Now people can help you. There's probably somebody right now watching all your things at home and ladies and whatever you ever refer to yourself. You don't have to use a derogatory term like that. But everybody watching right now, somebody out here in your life is in a position to help you. You just won't go there. Most people train for a position. You go to a job. Hey man, I'm here for job eight. But we're not hiring for job eight. We hiring for job D though. It's actually a good opportunity. Well I've been training for job eight. No, we'll train you for job D. We'll train you for that. Well I still need to work. No, no, there's a salary, you'll get some more money and we'll train you. We really need people to work in D right now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I really want to work in A because A probably a glamorous job and all of that. You know what I'm saying? Look, we've got some open positions right now. You fighting against where God trying to pull you because you're trying to go where you think you need to be. I stopped fighting. I just was ready for opportunity to hit me. When that old hit me, I took that home, I took off running. I knew exactly what to do with it when it came and I wasn't tied up into some other bullshit passing time fucking off. Just to be saying I'm doing something. You know what I'm saying? I went and did my little shows, I had my other little investments and shit like that and I sat back and I waited and when that boy brought me that burger, I was ready to motherfucking go and I'm still ready to go because I just touched the surface. I'm just getting started with this burger. Everything people think this burger might be is gonna be and then some. Trust me. I just want to eat a burger at ATL. I have to be careful about talking about the burger because it's not making niggas hunker. Oh yeah, for sure. I get to talk, that's my job. But I give you credit because you was talking this passionately about it before it even came when you came to do Wild'n Out. Me and Lois was, he was telling us about what you was great do. Like, you know, I'm great getting to the burger business. We like the burger business for real and you was just as passionate about it then. Yeah, because I was eating the burger. Yeah, you know what I mean? I know what this burger is. All the people that don't know are the people that ain't ate it. You eat this burger. All this shit you see online, all these Instagrams and TikToks and all that shit, when you see the burger and you eat that bitch, it all makes sense. Because still right now people that know me and love me still believe that it can't be that good. It's no way this burger can be as good as these people say it is. I knew this shit good. Them people, his friends dog, they gonna say that. Toby, I was at Coachella with Toby. Toby was with Earth Gang, is what Earth Gang was in. And I think it's Olu. Olu. Olu was there eating the burger. And Olu was like, man, this one's for good as hell. And Toby said, nigga, when he first brought it to me, I thought I was gonna have to lie when they cut the camera off. Because he was willing to support me regardless. You know what I'm saying? But he wasn't sure if it was gonna be good or not. But with the camera rolling, he still was gonna act like, man, ate the burger, the wife ate the burger, them cheering started. When them cheering, that's where I'm from. Like kids, cheer. When them cheering started eating the burger, and them eyes get big with them cheering, you know you're good to go. Cause you've got to take them cheering where they want to go. Ain't no way of getting around that. That's what them cheering want. And you know they gonna eat it and it gonna be quiet somewhere. Wait, that two, three times a week. But I knew I had it. I got to ask just for my own personal end of life. I will. It's gonna take some time. Just to be one to know, what's your favorite Pimp C verse? Goddamn. Marley's Shattered Dreams. Okay. Because it's a very obscure UGK record. It's lost in the middle of a lot of really, you know, very classic UGK style records. But Shattered Dreams is really him. Like that's him. Like he was the one they said was too young, too short, too this, too that, was never gonna make it. And I used to be like, when niggas would play beats by my niggas, that shit ain't jamming, that shit ain't jamming. And Pimp was like, man, you can't tell people that shit. Tell them what to do better. Just don't tell them it's bad. You got to tell them what to do better. Cause if you don't tell them how to improve, they say they ain't gonna get no better. He would always tip, but then niggas can't stand criticism. Be like, man, I ain't gonna lie, man. Your rhymes just cool, man. But them drums ain't gonna work. Them drums just terrible. That shit ain't gonna work. You need to, who make your beats, dawg? You need somebody better to make your beats. Just rap over other nigga beats to keep your style going. But you got to find this nigga beats is trash, bro. Like this. And niggas be like, hey, man, listen to my beat. All right, but when it's over, I'm gonna tell you how I feel. Say, man, you can't make rap music. I don't know what it is you want to do with your life, but this ain't it. This ain't it for you. Not like this. You got a lot more to do. Don't play no more music for nobody for about two years. That type of shit. You know what I'm saying? When you put yourself out there, man, you got to be willing to accept the criticism as well as the accolades, you know what I'm saying? And Shattered Dreams was really about him saying, don't let nobody tell you you can't do it just because you ain't ready right then and that to do it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because nobody said it wasn't a motherfucker thought we was gonna be who we ended up became. It eventually became. You know what I'm saying? Even his mama who wasn't really sure about it but supported him anyway. Once she saw what this shit was going, she stopped her whole life to get behind him and support him because she saw that it was actually going to be something real, something tangible that was gonna take her child very far in this world. And so she just wanted to get behind him and help. And that was a very, very unique relationship because Pimp was the only child, Pimp's mama was the only child. So he didn't have a bunch of anies on cause he had him through marriage and shit like that. But it was his grandmother, his mama and him. Like one, two, three. And so there was no way that she was gonna stand to the side and not get behind him. Like we had just got it to over the record company just fired the manager, got sued by the manager attacked by the IRS. All this type of shit going on. And Pimp's mama had a nice comfortable company, you know what I'm saying? They owned them and all the vending machines and put all this, so they had good money. And she gave all of that shit up. The business all the way down just to help him. And he eventually brought back more than the vending machines ever could have made for the family. It's just those kinds of things, man. Those kinds of moments that really took us from where we was going to where we needed to go from somebody sewing into us, somebody believing. Even, and you gotta understand, this is UGK at its worst, at its lowest moment. And somebody came in and believed in us enough to take everything they had to help us turn this shit around. And so for him, it was always about don't let no one shatter your dreams. Don't let nobody tell you you're not gonna be who you think you can be, just cause you not that person now. You know what I'm saying? Cause everybody want to be cool at a certain time. Everybody want to be cool and everybody else is cool. In high school, you want to be a freshman, you want to be cool like a senior. In college, you were a freshman, you want to be cool like a senior. In a young adult, you want to be cool like older people. I always tell people that everybody got X amount of time that they supposed to be cool. Most people use it up very early and there's no cool left when they get older cause they didn't prepare to be old. I was told, take your youth and work hard. Don't try to be cool, work hard, stack your money. You understand life and you got money, then you're gonna really be cool. You got good credit, some cash in the bank. You know what I'm saying? And you hadn't got caught up with nightlife and fucking off and just spending money on bullshit. All you know is about being conservative with money. Now you got some real money and you can actually, now you can really spend money now. Now you can spend it on shit that you know you're gonna get everything out of. Typically, young people spend money on their company. It's collective. If we got five people and it's $20, we gonna buy $10 worth of weeds to bed some blunts and we gonna all collectively do that. And one of us, if we young, get more than the rest we want it cause it's not fun being by yourself. You get older, you got some money, you're not trying to spend it on nobody. Nobody. I only have a birthday party when somebody pay me to have a birthday party. I don't wanna celebrate my birthday with other month. My wife was very, very adamant about that shit. We are not doing no public goddamn birthday parties. No more fuck that, spending your money to go to a club so other people can have fun. The fuck is that about? But then I'm an entertainer so I would get paid. I get paid to do my birthday party. But then that stopped being fun. You book a whole weekend of birthday shit. You know when I third, then Friday, Saturday, you tired. Nigga, third, I'm tired. Now y'all got Sunday, y'all got Sunday, y'all got Sunday. Friday and a Sunday night party miserable than the month. I'm good. I ain't going. Your niggas can have that shit. How many times y'all nigga try to get money back? I won't take it. If you ever see me booked at a club, nigga was tripping. Cause when I charged him to go, I, he must have thought I was somebody else. Cause I'm not going, it ain't enough money you can pay me to go in there. I be in the bed every night. They pay for the head, boss. Every now and then me and my wife will go out on the road. We be in a certain city and we go get a good dinner. And if I ain't doing one of these little tours that's done by midnight, I get on them cuffs and they call me at one o'clock, talking about it's time to go to the club. Relax. Man, get that nigga that money back, man. My body said that. That's a little 30. A little 30, my body said that. Nigga that money back. He ain't going to want to have, he ain't going to want to back in here. Man, get that nigga that money back. Come get it. They think you coming. Come get it. Man, I don't care. Club back. You already paid your money. And he'll cover you, but you really won't get him because they money back now. Nigga had to get out the bed down, set the door. We might as well go now. Shit. A promoter thought I was coming in, cause there wasn't nobody there. He said, you still coming? I said, nigga, we are the club. I don't give a damn it's four people or 4,000. I'm finna come and give you the best that I got. No, but one nobody in there. One nobody in there. I'm a rap for me. It's practice. But he ain't had my back in here. Don't get paid to go to practice. He ain't had a back in here. I can see if he had a back in here. We might as well just sit in the car. Man, he was just sitting downstairs in the car. No. They play some music and I'll wrap it in the bathroom and see. My car was still driving on while we were talking. I was like, hey, I'm about to leave. One of my, no, nigga, come on in. I've only ever done one show where a nigga didn't have my money because the OG in my recipe, Wicked Cricket told me I needed to do it for the kids. And that's the first time and probably the last time I ever did it for the kids. Did it for the kids. For the kids. I'll give the kids some money. But I ain't doing it for the kids. I'll give the kids some money. Like, let me make my money. OK, here you go, kids. Here's the $20 for you, nigga. For the kids. Well, I'm not out of it. My kids, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. You know, not your kids. No. You know how I'm playing when they say you got to put the mask on yourself before you have something? I can't help your kids if I don't help me. I can't help y'all. We need this order to scream. How am I going to help somebody else if I can't? Put this on. No, nigga, I got to put it on. You put it the mask on the baby first. You try to put it on you. You pass out. The baby can't help you. No, it's not a thing. Oh. Damn. Then the baby go fuck around and take it off yourself. Not understanding the situation. That's crazy. Man. I'm up for the ladies. So many goddamn questions, man. I remember you saying that when you went and when y'all did Big Pimpin, you wanted to, you felt like you had something to prove on that record as far as the lyrical part of it. You know what I'm rapping. You know what I mean? And then showing that the South got bars and the MC part of it. Do you, did that make you feel like you got there? Was it that point that you felt like, OK, now I got the respect or was it a later point? Sometimes you go and see niggas playing basketball at the YMCA. And most niggas is just there to get a workout in, play some ballhouse with fun. And then you got that one motherfucker that come in there and want to hoop in the wild like it scouts into goddamn bleachers in the stands or some shit. That's how I rap. I decided very early that every rhyme I write could be my last rhyme. So I got to put every goddamn thing I want to put in these motherfucking song before I get out of it. And in the case of Big Pimpin, I had every intention on going and just putting up bars on bars on bars because of who I was working with. But he had intentions on doing a party record. Like that was the thing. It was not like renegades where this is a B to mean you feel a rap against each other. This is like, oh, this is my party record. This ain't one of those records. This is my party record. Y'all niggas make good party music. Come get on this party record with me. I went and got on the party record, but I wasn't rapping by no party or no shit like that. Like, because I'm already here and I know a bunch of motherfuckers that I don't know going to be here. Let me just do what I do. And that was the whole point of Pimpin that he wanted to do the record because he didn't feel the record allowed him to do what he do. He did it. You know what I'm saying? That's why he only did eight bars because he was like, I don't want to rap on this shit, but I'm going to do it. But them, the most memorable. I'm going to do eight bars, probably the most memorable, recited eight bars in history, you know? But that was the thing about a nigga like that. A nigga like that didn't need to say a lot to be impactful. Pimp was, Pimp could rap. Pimp could rap very well. Yeah, he could. But Pimp never felt a need to import skills and all of that shit, which he could do all of this shit. And there's moments throughout, you know, the career where you'll see Pimp, you know, show some dexterity. It was always there. But he just didn't want to get confused. Like sometimes I put a bunch of words in there and I put some big words. You might even know what the fuck it means. You might need to go read. Pissario, nigga. You know what I'm saying? So big Southern rap, Pimp, Pissario. What the fuck is a Pissario? Well, I mean, he's a person held in high regard that typically holds a high standard for the system. I mean, I know it was him, but I didn't know the definition. Thank you, nigga. But but him, he just didn't want to be misunderstood. That's why a lot of his rhymes are very slow and dragged out. They're intentional. I could rap fast on this record, but I don't need to rap fast on this record for you to know what the fuck I'm trying to say on this record. Me, I tried to put a word or a syllable everywhere they could fucking go. I want to rap over here. I want to touch every goddamn beat in the motherfucking record. Um, and this is before we even had Pro 2. I will, you know, right during the first album, done rap, I'm done on Pro 2. For real? We had beta version of Pro 2. It wasn't even available for people. The studio we worked at was giving the beta version of it to test it because he was like the number one radio commercial producer. He had a larger sound bank in the country and you know, Joe found him and we was over there working and they were like, yeah, this is going to help us record everything fast, but I didn't want to punch in because I didn't want to say nothing in the studio that I couldn't say on stage. So punching in to me was kind of like a cheat, you know? So I didn't use, I didn't punch in for years and it was just really like, we just don't have time, man. Just fucking punch in kind of a thing. So you want to do the whole version one? Yeah, always, always. Because when I get on stage, I got to do it all in one. Like, technically there was no, there was a hype man to UGK for a small period of time. Bobo, the psycho, Bobo Luciano. Bobo Luciano. Yeah, super tight TV. Was the hype man for UGK. But that was, I mean, but it was more performative than anything. We didn't really need nobody doing backing vocals and shit like that. He just brought more energy. That's why he was a hype man because he brought more energy to the show because we were just niggas rapping, walking back and forth. He made the shit a little bit more entertaining. But no man, I just always wanted to be able to out-wrap all these niggas. I never needed to be the best rapper all the time. I just needed to be better than a nigga in front of me. So I tend to ride to get to competition. A PMC song I always wanted to hear a Bun B verse on. Or a song that I wish you would have been on. I know you strapped. Yeah, but that was a personal song. That would be fair. I know, but that shit was, the beat is hard. There's a lot of songs that y'all would never hear that has some really flagrant shit on it. Very, very flagrant shit on it. And I always tell people, man, if you got something on your chest, if you're an artist, man, go to the studio and say, but you ain't got to put it out. Just get that out your system. So you don't be walking around feeling like that on a motherfucking day. Because that shit could affect your judgment and how you handle shit in a moment. And he had a lot of moments like that where he would just be at the house aggravated. And again, he's in Atlanta. I'm in Houston. So I don't hear a lot of shit till I go to the house. And then even then, and I try to play that shit for me. I don't be like, what the fuck did this came from? And then I'm starting asking things. So you know this nigga made this, right? Y'all sitting around like... And ain't nobody gonna say nothing. And ain't nobody saying nothing. If y'all ain't tell me, that mean y'all ain't tell him nothing. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? So, but whatever, like I say here, I would just let these things be what it was gonna be. And I'd be like, and I'd have to tell you, you know what would happen if this record come out right? You know what's gonna happen if this song will get out there. You know it's going from 10 to 1,000, that type of shit, you know? And he would take your guidance on that probably more than anybody else's. He'd take it into consideration. I mean, we never heard this shit, so he took it into consideration. He was gonna do what he was gonna do, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of times, you know, Pimp, I don't know if this is the right way to frame this, but Pimp was fucking with niggas a lot. Like Pimp was fucking with niggas a lot, right? And really just like, Pimp would fuck with niggas cause he could. I don't know no other way to say it. He would fuck with niggas cause he could and he really just was like, I'm gonna go on stage tonight and diss this nigga. Right? And then he'll go on stage and diss the nigga. And I'll be like, what the fuck was that? I don't pee, I'm just fucking around. Niggas ain't gonna do shit. What the fuck you know nigga? I'm like, they might, somebody might want it if they standing next to the wrong niggas when they hear this shit cause you never know, but. I mean to be fair, like that wasn't really, that wasn't a concern for us for many, many years. That wasn't like, we weren't worried about niggas coming back and doing that for a long time, you know? So I just, you know, it was a lot of shit. I just was just, all right, well, and I knew niggas couldn't fuck with me, you know? And we couldn't fuck with us. So it was just, these things would be said and then, you know, it would kind of just live out there, but it wasn't social media. Right, right. It wasn't on social media. So unless you was in Birmingham that night, or you was in Dallas that night, right? You could see it that shit. Yeah, but the niggas said that shit. But we did go on a little tour, like day for day talking shit and that kind of got out. That went a different way. But I mean, look man, what you gonna do? The man, the man was a grown man, you know? How he felt? It is what it is. It was just gonna be what it was gonna be. And I never really felt threatened by most people. And that says that maybe I was young and ignorant about shit because anybody could obviously get killed and so many people have died from this culture. But I don't know, man, we just, I was about to say I'm a much older, calmer nigga right now because I realized how much shit I actually really was in at certain parts of my life. Like even casually, like people get gotten killed. And everybody's not here, man. Everybody's not here, you know? Some people died naturally. Some people died differently. And I just sit back and look at this shit and I'm still going up. I don't, I deal with a lot of survivors remorse. You know, I deal with it because a lot of people sold into who I eventually became and almost all of them are no longer here to see it. So I have to live in a way that these people were expecting me to live. I got to carry myself in a way that people were expecting me to carry myself because that was why they were supporting me. So when Pimp would always say I'm the best rapper, I got to go somewhere and sit down and actually be that best rapper because he really believed that and he not finished up saying it. Hell no. So if one day a nigga show up and be like, we got 100 racks on so and so, because this type of shit was happening, you know, DMX and you know, Rockefeller and Riff Riders and all these different niggas was battle rapping against each other and shitting. I don't know what I'm gonna be in a room with one of these niggas, I'm gonna rap one of these niggas under the table if I got to be type of thing because I don't wanna let that nigga down. But then I would go around and tell nigga, Pimp had the best beats in the world. Couldn't nobody make no better beats than Pimp. And you couldn't talk shit. Like we both would brag on each other. But then he lived up to everything that I said he was and more. And so I'm just really trying to live my life nowadays to be the best version of myself that they saw. When all I saw was the worst version of myself in the moment. People sacrificed for me. Those people not here, man. And it's hard to enjoy it. I receive it, I acknowledge it. But it's like certain things I do and it feel bad because this person ain't here. They not here, she not here. You know what I'm saying? And this is what they wanted for me. A lot of these things that have happened for me now is because other people wanted it. Other people fought for it, sacrificed, prayed for it. You know what I'm saying? Put their life on the line. I put my life on the line for friends to see them get to where we was trying to go. My whole thing was never, UGK for me was never about money and music. I knew we were gonna make good music so we was gonna make money. I had to get niggas home. That was my thing. I used to drive all the shows. I'd get up, I'd wake niggas up. I used to pack the suitcases because I got tired of the police or our team pulling us over and fucking our bags up because niggas just throwing shit in the suitcase. I started packing niggas' suitcase so when they opened it, they could see it was neat and folded, ain't no dope in here. You know what I'm saying? We used to get pulled over literally every other weekend on our team. After like 95, once the interstate got hot, that was just a known thing that was gonna happen. I knew I had the license. I knew I knew how to talk to police. So I would just drive. We'd get the show, go to sound check, get to the hotel, check niggas in, go do the show, come back. If it's cool little city, which you can vibe out, I'd let niggas hate, you know what I'm saying? Some little work out there if y'all want to holler at some hoes or whatever like that. If I knew it was a different vibe in the city, don't come out the room, shut the shit down. Then in the morning I'd wake niggas up, put niggas in the car, let's go. I was always the older one, the more responsible one in the group. And that was just a dynamic, man, because we had to get home. All that other shit never really mattered to me. I had people's husbands, people's sons, people's brothers. I've had friends that have had to make that call. My role manager literally two new years ago had a heart attack on the road. I didn't want to have to call that man, my man tell him he didn't make it, no shit like that. But I'm the boss, that's the job. It's my job to call these people. Cause I'm the one that told their family that it was going to be all right when they left with me. So I've always carried that kind of responsibility with me, cause ain't none of us out here doing it by themselves for the most part. I could go out and rap by myself, but that ain't really fun. I don't need a hype man. I don't need nobody to pick up the money. I don't need nobody to do sound check. But fucking fun, fun is that, you know, just out there by yourself, that's gotta be miserable. I know a lot of niggas that don't want to be with nobody. I've been around you, my nigga. You ain't that cool to be around. You must can't stay at your mother fucking cell. Cause I can't stay at you sometimes. After about an hour, you spent all your time with just you. Couldn't be me, my nigga. But I'm blessed, man, I'm blessed, man. I made it this far. I can still see success down the road and there's a clear path and, you know, I try to leave instructions. I take my wife everywhere to all the business beatings so she can know everything from top to bottom. I try to, you know, leave instructions and be like, you know, this is what this company need to do. And she got, she understand these things. Cause I don't know, I don't know. So, you know, y'all gotta have, you gotta have a will. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have your will and testament. You gotta have who this money's supposed to go to. You have to have all your shit lined up. All your affairs gotta be him. All that shit because they will take your money and give it to the motherfucking state. Yes, he would. They are dying to take your shit when you die. They are hoping that somebody is so overwhelmed with emotion and grief after you pass that they don't do everything they supposed to do and they can take some shit. Everybody wonder like, damn it, oh, grandmother them had this, how, what happened? What happened? What went? Ain't no way to do the proper work. Nobody do the shit, pay the property tax. Nobody did this. Nobody did that. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. That's crazy. Because people will be overcome with grief. You know what I'm saying? That people don't have a... I don't understand men that live with women that they don't trust. I don't understand men that live with women that they hide money from. Why you got her? I might have got to know where everything at in case something happened to me. Cause I can't get to it. And I can't be on a phone. Trying to tell you. Call and telling you where shit is at. Hey, you gotta go to Terry House. What for? I don't need Terry, man. Just go to Terry House. Terry, you need that for me. You know how hard it's gonna be to get that shit from Terry? Oh, he ain't got nothing to do with it? I ain't got nothing to do with it. What he talking about? Okay, man. Who he talking about? Boy, I don't care. Boy, have it for the dimension. What he talking about? He got about 2,500 over here, but that ain't gonna really help. I think he was at the last stage of his dimension. I'm telling y'all. I gave him that three years ago. I'd have seen it from the street side of what happened with your shit ain't together. And it go bad. I'd have seen it from the absolute 100% legal side and shit. Some of the most organized, having shit together people I've ever seen and known in my life. Smart, intelligent, sound people. And it had no idea what you have to do when somebody dies. You gotta prove you somebody's husband. You can't just say that to my wife. You gotta go get the license. You gotta have pictures. You gotta have all this shit. They just say it was a marriage of convenience and you wouldn't really. So much that goes into that type of shit. I didn't realize that to my sister-in-law died. And that's all I'm trying to do is make sure here's the other thing. Here's the crazy thing. And maybe more people know this. I didn't know this at all. So I'm doing my will. They say, well, who you want to get your money to? I said, I'll leave everything to my wife. Everything to my wife. Okay, and who else? What you mean? Anybody else? Anybody else? I died, everything to my wife. What if she died before you? Fuck. You think about that? That was like two days. That was two days of reflection. Just the idea that my wife could die before me. You know what I'm saying? I hadn't even really thought about that. Like just as a concept, that fucked me up. And if that happened in the moment, I know I wouldn't have been prepared. So all that shit that you know is gonna be hard and rough to deal with and painful to talk about and all that shit. Do that shit while you got a sound mind and some free time. Cause when folks die, you got to get through them children. You got to get through mamas and all of that. I don't mean to be getting into this cause I know you grieving, but you understand what I'm saying. This is very real. This shit is so hard to try to fight through dealing with their emotion, the grief and you're trying to keep a light inside because the children, you know, you want to be there for the kids. And if the kids see you cry, they gonna cry. And it just, it becomes a circle. So you're trying to be strong and do all this for in your parents, see you hurt. Your parents waiting for you, somebody wait, come on. I can't do, I got to do this, I got to do that. And the more you try to make sure your house is together, the more you realize that the system is not, the system is counting on your fucking house to be a part. And they want their money still until you screw who you need. But I'm like, if I'm trying to prove to you and they calling for their money, they like, yeah, pay that until you can prove them. I'm like, what? So you play in penalties. So I can prove. Because you came, it's a lot, man. And they ask these people to do this in some of the darkest, deepest moments of their life, bro. I seen that shit happen, man. It's not cool. I watch people, I love go through it. And so I'm trying to be ahead of this shit. That's where it comes back when you say, previous in the interview earlier, financial literacy as part of it. Everybody should have a will. I don't give a fuck. You nine, keep writing in it until the end of time. Plus people more than anybody. Nine to five people more than anybody need a will and testament because they're the ones that are gonna suffer most if they don't get the insurance money. If the house doesn't get, those are the people that, you know, there's enough money that if something happens to me, we have shared accounts. So that kind of a thing. So it's not like I would have a separate account and she got to prove she's my wife to get that money or anything like that. But everybody's life is not set up like that. That's why I said I don't understand why you wouldn't, why are you even sharing your life and your shit like that with somebody you really don't even fuck with? You know what I'm saying? You are not supposed to have a woman in your house you don't trust in your house. I know too many men that left for the weekend and came home and everything was gone. You know what I'm saying? Like type of shit and these things happen all the time. You have to be prepared for the worst. You don't sit around and think shit gonna go bad. You hope for the best and plan for the worst. And every time like something good happened, how you feel B? I feel good, I'm all right. I try not to get too high. So when bad things happen I don't get too low. My son is like, my son Brandon is like this, the most even killed person I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen him get excited and I've never seen him depressed. The man about about two months ago, my son was working doing construction. He fell off a house. I think they say about 12 feet, 12 or 13 feet broke his leg in five places, broke both the tibia and fibia in five places on the ground screaming, just trying to get, went to the hospital, gave Ms. Dope call us, I'm cool now. I'm good now. You know most, and he's super athletic and work out and all of that. Now he can't really do nothing. Most people like that get very depressed. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, y'all right over there? Yeah, sure. I'm watching football. I'm chilling, playing with the kids. I wish I could play a little more, but I'm down. I can't do much, but you know, I'm all right. Man, if I had, if I couldn't go nowhere and do nothing, I'd be about COVID. The only reason I survived COVID is because we had a backyard. We had a backyard that I could go outside and breathe and walk around and do shit like that. That being immobile, having to depend on somebody, that don't work for me. Man. That don't work for me. And he's over there like a chap. And he's like, yeah, I probably got about a year rehab. So, especially with the bone. I'm going to be down for a minute, oh man. I'm going to be down for a minute, but I'm here, you know. But he got hopes of knowing that all, it's great. Yeah, I mean, he's not, like I said, he doesn't get too down on himself, right? I'm having a bad day. You know, you look at your life, you think about your worst day. Let's say, let's say April 2nd is your worst day of the year. Hey, that's my birthday. Well, let's say April 3rd. There you go. I want you to have a good birthday. I want you to have a good birthday. I don't want you to do that. Well, let's say April 3rd is the worst day of your year. Right? Then you look at the calendar, you zoom in on the calendar, and you see April 3rd. And you see this whole big, deep, dark crevice, right? Then you go out, you see the week April 3rd was on. And it's not that deep because your mother shit was not. Then you see the month of April, right? Then you see that year. Then you see 10 years. And you see enough of your life that those deep, dark moments are just a little flip on the radar. So you can't get stuck in that moment, in that sense, about how bad shit is. You have to trust that, well, if this is bad, let this be as bad as it get. You got to keep going. You know what I'm saying? Let this be as bad as it get. And just let it get a little bit better every day. At least I can clean to that. You got to find something to hold on to, man, to keep your sanity in this much more. You know, you old school driven. That comes from old school. But I know a lot of old niggas that's fucked up. Most of the people in my generation did not embrace the next generation, which means they were less receptive to embrace technology. I'm one of the last niggas in my generation to get on it, but I understood the value in it. And I had people helping me understand the value in it. By the time a lot of my contemporaries tried it, it was nowhere for them to grow. It was no space for them to really grow in it. You know what I'm saying? People get frustrated with this shit and then they go sit down somewhere, go do some other shit because they don't want to come outside looking how they're supposed to look. The fuck that? What are you talking about, bro? Bring your hands on that side. You know what I'm saying? Bro, what you think? What you think 90-O you look like? What you think 12-O, you think 12-O, do you look better than what you look like? No, nigga, we all look crazy. And then we made something ourselves. Somebody came around, cleaned us up or whatever. You got enough money to start looking like you're supposed to look at whatever. You know what I'm saying? I told my brother that. I said, bro, we are the new-O niggas. We can't be acting like we the young niggas. When we graduated in 2010, this opposition, when we graduated in 2010, it was some niggas who graduated from high school in 96, talking about some, I'm still the new- No, you're not. You graduated in 96. I just had to tell the niggas. And they got out for it. I've known him for many years and he, he recently got locked up and he came home. You know, he's definitely not the man he was before. You could tell that his life has been hard and he's been through some things. And he come out, he's like, man, he's so, I don't know how he got my number. I'm still looking whoever gave, winked my number. He calm and he was like, man, you know what? Man, shit, I'm just trying to get back, right? You know, I'm fucking with this music. Now I'm like, what you mean you fucking with this music? Like, you know, I'm trying to do this music, man. I figured you could help me. Help you do what? You know, shit, hook me up with some DJ. I said, well, let me explain some shit to you. First of all, what do you think a DJ is going to do for you? Are you going to play my record in the club? When is he going to play your record? Tell me what songs he's supposed to play your record in the middle of that ain't nobody going to notice. What? Tell me the two big records that's jamming that's going to play in the club. So they're going to play Dreams of Nightmares and then your shit, right? That's what you're telling me. DJ loses his motherfucking job doing that shit. Secondly, what make you think I'm going to use my relationship with a DJ to help you when I know you ain't jamming. He ain't hear my music. I ain't got you. I heard you rap before you went to jail. You wasn't good then. Yeah, I shouldn't have called this. But for everything I said, because he too old for this shit. He too old for this shit. Fuck, so you know exactly what he did. When he got out the phone with you, he called, ain't you know, when he got out the phone, he called some more niggas. Yeah, you know, bun, don't fuck with me. Don't change, man. Let me tell you something, believe me. Got them burgers and shit, man. This nigga don't act like you know who the fuck I am. Man, we wasn't cool before. Every nigga in my town know who I was cool with in school. Yeah, nigga, I do too. They all know who my little circle of niggas was in school. So we don't be acting like when you ain't walked. We walk no hallways. Your locker wasn't by mine. We went in homeroom. You ain't no 50. And my thing is, I'm not finna lie to you. I'm too old to be on this phone, talking about, well, let me see what I can do. Let me hit you back. No, cause you gonna be texting me. I don't wanna answer all that shit. Looking at my phone, getting mad. Fuck that. I got a burger. You know what I'm saying? I need to answer real calls on my phone. So I can't be disregarding my phone if I think you finna call me and take it. Fuck that. Look at my nigga. There's nothing I can do for you in this thing. I don't think there's anything you can do for yourself. Now, if you feel I'm wrong by all means, go out and prove me wrong. I've had this conversation with my nephew. My nephew's like, uncle, I wanna rap. Okay. Prove it to him. Go ahead, go ahead, rap. You good, go for it. No, I wanna rap with you. No, you can't rap with me. You can't rap with me, nephew. You're not that good yet. You're not that good yet. Oh shit. Fuck this nigga, man. Wait, wait, wait. So this is who my nephew told me. My nephew said, did Granny tell you the same thing? I said, yep. And you know what I did? I moved out the next day. I moved out the next day and I went and proved to her that I could make it when she said I couldn't. So, there you go. Prove me wrong. There you go. Prove me wrong. Yeah. Let's go out and do it. Shit. Go out there and do it. Love you. Two times a week. I don't think I've always believed it. Two times a week. My first song gonna be a diss to my uncle. First off, fuck my uncle. Let it fuel the fire. Let it fuel the motherfucking fire. Eminem Mama, Eminem Mama fueled all the pain and hurt inside him to make all that music. And I bet ain't no nigga you know living good as Eminem Mama. Even if he don't give a hundredth of what he got, she's straight. We're not finna do all of this. Let me tell you something. I'm very good at know. I'm very good at know. I got learning. I'm very good at know. We're not finna do this, especially in your face. Please don't ask me something that makes company. Please don't ask me something that makes company. But then you're gonna wanna fight and all that type of shit cause I'm gonna take, you really wanna have this conversation? Yeah, I will. I'm gonna sing some music. I'ma dig it. Yeah, this nigga. This nigga. This nigga. And I'm not saying I'm right. That's the nigga. That's the nigga. I'm not saying I'm right. On the podcast. That's a few, that's a few that people understand like you said earlier. Everybody don't know how to take criticism. No. I felt like how pimp did. I don't, I don't feel like I don't lie to a lot of people. And I'm not saying that I don't lie to you. And who am I to tell you, you good or bad? That my opinion, but you came and asked me. Should I tell you the truth or should I just give you some motivation? Most people ask you that for you to tell them what they want to hear. Yeah, absolutely. The whole point of asking you this. I told them what they wanted to hear. Cause this is how they ask you. This is what they say. They don't ask you what you think. They say, that's your jammer, right? Right? Like it's infectious and some shit. Like if I smile hard enough, this nigga gonna smile too. If I like it hard enough, he gonna like it too. That's your jammer. That's your jammer, that's your jammer, that's your jammer. That's your jammer, that's your jammer. Not really my nigga, but there's room for improvement. There's room for improvement, but that's not, no, not right now, no. You a realist. Man, we got the hip hop historian in here, man. My boy, New Face. You know where you got some. Don't you saw him? Some shit he gon' tell you. I'm excited to see what he could possibly have, New, cause I feel like I done signed most of everything this niggas had over the years. I've known New Face for several years now. God damn it, New Face. And I feel like every time I've ever seen him, he done brought me something to sign. And I feel like I done signed the catalogs. I don't know what's left. No, it's New Face. We done the magazines and all this shit. I don't know what's left. New Face is, New Face has been everywhere, man. Niggas, this nigga is one from outside the ice wall. So when I had to do, I wasn't safe for this platform. I put on social media when Rock the Bells announced they were ever gonna do the first ever hip hop cruise. I put my logo, New Star logo and Rock the Bells logo with this cruise and I reached out to my Instagram supporters and said, can you tag Rock the Bells and show love cause I want to be on this boat. And everybody show love, but I got this one DM from this brother right here and said, give me a number. I'm gonna make a call tomorrow. Suffice to say I made it on that Rock the Bells cruise. My collection was displayed on the seventh floor. So I wanted to say personally, thank you for that. That DM, my brother. That's very easy, man. You do a lot. You do a lot to show people love and give people their flowers. You extend yourself on your dime, travel around this country, you know what I'm saying? To support, even before you were knowing these people as contemporaries and friends, you were traveling around the country on your dime as a working man, parent and all of this shit. Right, single dad? See, you know what I'm saying? All of this type of shit, but still finding the time to get out there and support people, go to the concerts, keep the tickets, take pictures, get posters, all this type of shit. Believing that there was gonna be inherent value and all this shit at a certain point, everybody was gonna feel about these people like you felt about these people. And look now, everybody does and you are the premier historian of the culture. There's no reason that you shouldn't have been on that boat. And LL, he did a book sign. It's called LL Presents the Streets Win. 50 years of hip-hop creativity. Right there, in this book right there, they featured yourself. Oh, wow. I'll show you that. Yeah, so this was just put out, so. Okay, so that's something new to sign. Something new. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He did it. That dig a new place. Boy, it got damn, boy. I got you. I got the first bumby trail burger when you came to Atlanta. I thought you were about to pull that bitch out of the box. Man, if you would have pulled a trail burger, that shit would have been on. Well, man, we, you said it right there We got the stuff. He was already in the sign. He was in the kind of, he got the thing. See, solo out, we talked about that. It was difficult to make without his brother right there. But this is all. My new face is here. Yeah. Yeah, sir. Good. Present tense. We got to start referring to you and the present tense. All this, you know. Like you said, it's already signed. And these are not all in one sitting. That's the other thing. There's other things. These are different moments. You know what I'm saying? Catch me in different places with different shit. That's a negative. Do your number. They called you. Yeah. That's cool. Hey, how you doing, man? How much you gonna cost me? $100,000. And it's crazy. I know the brother. I would love to help the brother. But I, whatever he thinks it is that I can do for him, I can't really do for him. For several reasons. Not now. You know, for several reasons. I wish him the best. And I would hope that people succeed and spider me. You know what I'm saying? Like anybody that I didn't think could make it. And it's probably been one or two for sure. But I hope you make it and spider me. You know what I'm saying? Blow up and shit on me. I didn't shit. You know what I'm saying? I shit back though. Shit, I do shit back though. When you was doing the cannonball, gunball. Gunball. Gunball. What was your vehicle choice? Typically an escalator if I can get them. They're very hard to get in Europe. You know what I'm saying? But it got a lot of room. Cause I typically go four people. One of the people is like six foot five, six foot six and some shit like that. And I need to call it a lot of room and trunk space is valuable because you typically gone for 10 days. You know what I'm saying? You fly in, you got to get your car situated. You drive for six days and then you've got two days apart in on the back end of it. So I need to call it a lot of rooms. I can bring a lot of luggage. Now there's some people that being Ferraris and Lamborghinis they ain't got no luggage space in that. These are very rich people. So they'll have another car. Well, sometimes they have another car. They'll have a support car, right? So that just carry their clothes and take pictures and shoot video of them. Or sometimes they'll, I know people that have shipped different clothes to different cities and they just leave what they want and just get to the hotel and to be close for that night and to close for the next day and then leave whatever they had and just keep going. But I seen people spend some obscene amounts of money without trying to be like not like capping on just, they're rich and it's just very convenient to do things a certain way. That's always been something I want to do. I like, that's my meditation. That's my leisure. I drive around, man. At the shows 90, but I say that this point 97% of the time that's what I'm doing. Just because, you know, it clears my mind and it's, you know, just time for me to be able to gather my thoughts. But the gumball just being able to ride around like that is something I always wanted. I'm not even in the cars, but just the actual. It's intense though. It's intense cause it look like it's fun. But it's, it's, it is fun, but it's a lot. So like, let's say, the first day of driving is on Sunday. Then we'll get in about Thursday or Friday. We'll drink and we'll party and party. Then you get up Sunday. By noon, we'll get in your car. You're gonna drive about six, seven hours. We'll get to the city. Gonna check in. We're gonna go to dinner. Gonna go to club party to about three, four in the morning. Nine o'clock in the morning. We're gonna get back in the car. We'll drive about six hours, go to lunch. Anywhere from four to six hours, depending on how fast you drive. Go to lunch. Gonna drive another 46 hours. Check in, go to dinner. Go to club party four in the morning. Get back up, get in the car. Nine o'clock in the morning. That's intense. No, it ain't. And the more, the further you go the longer the drive is. I'll be straight. I've driven, I did. I did Atlanta to, we did Atlanta to New York. That was the second day. First day was Miami to Atlanta. Second day was Atlanta to New York. Oh yeah, I can do that a lot. Long as I ain't gotta go to the party, and if they require you to go to the party, I might be in trouble. We left Atlanta at eight o'clock in the morning. I told you, Nick, we finna do the fastest, serious, most serious driving you ever done in your life just to get to that bitch by midnight. Like you gotta do the best driving you ever done in your life. You still gotta not get pulled over. Just to get to that whole by midnight. So how did the crew come about? Like how did y'all meet? How did they like, all right, this will be us? Is UGK? It's us. Like you said, can't nobody come in after. They see it. UGK was with several people. UGK was a group before me. Chad and his dude named Mr. Queen were the original iteration of UGK. And then me and two other dudes came in and then we became a four-man group. And then the other two dudes decided to go play football and do other stuff. And we was left as a two-man group, but we still had the four-man group name. And so when we brought the demo of the big-time records in the flea market in Houston and we brought him tell me something good, and he was like, I love this record. I think this is a good record. It's the name of the group. And we had no other name. So we're back to UGK. Man, that's love, man. What's your favorite old school? Car? Yeah. That's a good question. I had 83 Park Avenue, 84 Park Avenue in my stepdaddy game. That was a good, dependable car. But I always wanted a deuce and a quarter. Ooh. But just because it was called a deuce and a quarter. But you know, I come up in the era where, I come up in the era with the Toyota trucks. You like the fucking Toyota trucks, man? No, no. From the era where they would slap trucks. I don't know how they did it, everybody. In Texas, Cory, that's why Cory laughing. Cory remember that era? Cory was a little bitty boy back then. But that's when black people could typically, the only people that drop cars like that now are typically Latinos or Asians. But that's when black people was dropping the Toyota. Not no big old Toyota. Just a little bitty, bitty truck, man. We used to have the Yota. In Port Arthur, we used to have this crew called the Yota Pots. And they had full Toyota. And they would drive through the hood and they'd get to the little intersection of your corner. Like I lived off Fifth Avenue and 15th Street. Stephen Jackson, they played basketball and all that. He lived on between fourth and fifth. I lived between fifth and sixth. And then they would come through and they'd get to that little stop sign and then they'd all turn. That would've turned and go. And that's when they used to have them, niggas would make speaker boxes in wood, wood. For the whole bed. Yeah, but they would make them in school though. Yeah. We used to have a wood shop class. Once niggas figured that type of shit out, but that was a whole hustling itself. You had high school niggas making speaker boxes for grown people back then. We used to take, man, I mean, I used to take my mama like home stereo system, right? Out of the house, put him in my homeboy car connected. Connected through the abs, you know what I'm saying? Through the wire. Because everything used to have the wires that would go in the back. And be playing my mama's speakers in the car because he had those big men. I'm talking about, amen. House speakers, that was them. House speaker was me. I had some house speakers in my car. I had big daddy Canes on this platform. You remember how significant we are in the same game self-destruction was for our era. And with the current state of violence and things going on, if we were to put the self-destruction, you know, 2024 together, what were like four MCs that you think would be vital for that type of movement in this generation? Well, I mean, in order for it to really connect, these things to connect, you would have to have people that the young people of just generation would respect in that space, you know what I'm saying? I think a killer mic would be a great person to have. But I also think a meek meal would be a great person to have. I think freeway would be a great person to have. And we would honestly need like another little baby moment, you know what I'm saying? Because you need these younger artists that these kids can look up and respect. And see themselves in, you know what I'm saying? Young people have to feel like you understand them, right? You're willing to meet them where they are. That don't mean be childish. That means understand their culture, understand their frames of reference, understand why kids are wearing hoodies in the summer type of shit. You know what I'm saying? It's got nothing to do with it. You know? You have to learn how to have heat strokes. But again, I think I think I think I don't know if it really works because we actually live in an environment right now, musically, and this again, I'm not here to judge nobody. But we have more people that are active than are inactive. That's never really been the dynamic in the culture. You'd have a handful of people that were still in the life with, you know, like Benny the Butchers that one foot in and one foot out kind of a thing. But we have people now who are, you know, very prominent artists in the culture who are active outside, you know what I'm saying? And they circle, they really still in the element presently, you know, for whatever reason, they still in the element. So I think it's very hard for people who are literally living a life that requires them to actively dodge violence from people to start saying stop the violence because that's just not the world perspective that they have. And again, everybody ain't there. We would love for everybody to be positive and focused and give these good messages, but everybody ain't there. You'd ask 19 year old me, wet me, man, fuck what I don't know, nigga, move around. I ain't trying to hear that shit. And I know more and I knew more than most niggas my age. But I wasn't trying to speak on no shit like that. I wasn't trying to be active on no shit like that. Then you start having kids and you realize how long life really is and you know, just people that's gonna be living in this world when you gone and you start really thinking about, am I gonna leave this whole better than I found it or did I just take, take, take? You know what I'm saying? So I've lived long enough for the perspective to change for me, you know what I'm saying? We just gotta let young niggas that's active, figure it out how this gonna go for them. Ain't nobody gonna stop doing what they wanna do till they ready, you know what I'm saying? And some people, you know, I know a lot of niggas that's so dope, gotta wait for a long time and hustle one day too long. How to do it? That's it, you hustle one day too long. I gotta ask before you leave, man, he said something about murder. That verse, was you and Pimp in the studio together? Did I record that together or was it one? Yeah, I was like, what was that like when you seen him rapping? Like, cause that was the first time me personally that I ever heard somebody rap to where it's three Pimp C verses that for me is murder, a kick dough, and... A kick dough. Oh, a kick dough is my shit. And then the one where you talk about, you know how versatile he was with, you know, gripping grain, switching lanes, selling cocaine on the can of things. Gemma Lil Wayne got a trunk of bankers on the hop, like them three verses are the verses that to me, if I had to define Pimp to somebody who never heard him before, those would be the three I would play. But murder, I think is the most profound one. So like when y'all recorded that, was that, were y'all in that space? Like were both y'all in that space to be able to put something down? Cause both of y'all verses are ridiculous. I would love to sit here and tell you a very deep, profound story. I mean, I want to hit a real score. The reality was, I've only really been like drunk about five days of my life cause I have a really high tolerance. That was probably day number two of my life, but I'd actually been really drunk the night before and I came in, I was fucked up. Now skip home in the studio where we used to work and Corey, did you ever come over here? All right, so again, this is the guy that had Pro Tools in the beta version. He had probably the most digitally advanced boards you could have. He had a SSL board, had at least 100 something tracks, right? Beautiful setup, raised off the ground or whatever. So I came in and I went to sleep. I came in, I went to sleep. Like they was laying the track out and production wise. And I guess he laid his vocals. I don't know if I was, I can't remember if I was awake or not, but I know I was asleep under the board and I'll fuck up. I came in, I just went to sleep cause that was the coldest place cause these big equipment have to have fans to keep them cool. So where the board at is typically where it's cool. So I went laid up under that hole and laid it down, right? And so they woke me up and they say be it's your time, you know what I'm saying? To rap. And so I got up, I guess I had written around before. Again, I'm getting old. I imagine I wrote around before cause I know I didn't wake up and write it. I woke up and went in and I spit it. And what you hear is take two. So I done take one and they asked me that I want to punch in. I was like, no, I'm gonna just do it again. Take me back to the top. And so the murder that you hear is take two. I have no idea, no recollection of what Pimp was doing when he wrote his verse. I don't believe I was awake when he laid his verse. I was down that way. That's crazy. I was down that way. This nigga was asleep. But here's the thing, here's the thing. Murder was not even about Pimp. The whole point of murder was me bitching constantly. Man, you keep saying I'm the best rapper in the world. I can't show niggas, I'm cold as 73 BPM, bro. I need some 85, some 88. I need some fast tempo music. And so murder was the one. Murder was the one that was finally fast enough for me to really rap like I wanted to. I'm the king of moving chickens. But it also required him. It also required him to rap fast too. Yeah. And come like that on the song. I had no idea really that it was just a rhyme at the time. I did not write this rhyme and lay it and be like, the game's changed. I went back to sleep. I went back to sleep. And it just eventually became what it was because nobody was really from where we were and what we represented. When I say, I mean in the South, you had niggas that could spit from the South, but it was never really the objective to get caught up in that. It was really about making sure niggas understood what you were saying. Some of us had very deep and heavy accents and trying not to get their neighborhood in what they represent fucked up. We were already good on that. So I had been asking the nigga for a rhyme where I could really rap, this was the one. I would not have felt like I did my thing. And then that was it. And it wasn't until really, because I didn't know if niggas that didn't rap would even appreciate it. And it ended up becoming for one like, it was almost like a bat signal to niggas in the South. You know what I'm saying? You ain't gotta spend your time being Southern, proving you Southern. We Southern, there ain't no way around it. Prove to them niggas you could do anything them niggas do. Not full time, you don't have to. But if I wanted to, I could do anything you're doing. Very few people can say the same about how we move. There's a few people who can who are very comfortable doing more Southern based type music or just as comfortable as they are doing things that are more to their reach. But it's not for everybody. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of people with, but now in hip hop, now you almost have to incorporate certain aspects of Southern lifestyle and culture to even for it to even resonate. See, we woke up one day and realized that this is a numbers game, we win. Hell yeah. This is all about numbers. We got the most people. West Coast is California, Las Vegas, Seattle, you know what I'm saying? Oregon, maybe I guess, come on that shit, right? That's technically, as far as we look on the West Coast as far as hip hop. East Coast is New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Philadelphia, they can't claim DC. You know what I'm saying? The South, how many of these motherfuckers you want? Texas. Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia. Tennessee. You know what I'm saying? Kentucky. Kentucky. We ain't even got to these, maybe it's like a Missouri, right? Y'all ain't East Coast, y'all show more like us, you know? The Midwest Coast is South, and they identify. The Midwest identifies with the South, because they're nothing like the East Coast and nothing like the West Coast. So just based on identity in principle, that's why Washington, DC gravitates to the South, because you're nothing like the East Coast. You don't have to move that fast. You don't have to talk that fast. So when Texas niggas and Louisiana and South niggas come up, make all the sense in the world, very easy for us to communicate to each other, even if it is different slang. You know what I'm saying? We get each other. We kind of move the same way. Talk, talk. I always laugh when you say you hit a bitch in the face with a pie out of a mold. Yeah. The way that niggas looked at you or not, yeah, that's a fact. So that's, so there's a very famous movie scene between Spencer Tracey and Catherine Hepburn, and I think he puts like a cake or something. But I remember that, I'd never seen a man do that to a woman before. They would argue about something and he'd clap it in the face with a cake. I was like, that's pretty hard. I would love to just, you know. It was a bit of a bore. I would love to put a, I would love to just put a, if I'm mad, like, because I don't want to fight you. Right? I feel like putting a cake in your face is just disrespectful enough to not, but without constitutional abuse. Ladies, is it, would you call the police if your man put a cake in your face? Do you, would you consider that hands on you? What would you say? Like, if y'all in the middle of a real bad cat bitch, you'll be bad if you don't call the police. You can't hear me. You're not gonna call the police, right? Well, it depends on how delicious you take it. Now, I'm not telling you niggas to, I'm not telling nobody to put no pie, no pie or no cake in your face. Because I don't know what kind of woman you got. I wouldn't recommend it. I'm just trying to read the room. You know, the faces of the woman, the women they didn't really see. Please buy that. So if y'all having a date a woman that work behind the scenes up here, they ain't about that cake shit. That is your thing about it. They ain't taking, they ain't taking no cake shit off. They ain't having a type. Then when he wrote that rhyme, they wasn't wearing the type of eyelashes the ladies are wearing now. That would be very detrimental. They can't go out there and just go with it. Let's take your cake off your face. Let's take it. A lot of new things with these new women. A lot of new things. And new men. That's a lot different. That's a lot different, right? I'm glad, I'm glad I don't have to navigate that type of shit, you know what I mean? I'm trying to spot on here the sign on the chair, man. I don't want to sit on the side, man. Open space right now. I'm gonna get low, cause that's what's wrong. Some of these niggas, these niggas y'all be having some middle-aged niggas in here. They can't get low. But look, man, we got you, we got you some 85 self-shoots shit, too. Bats. And I meant to hit y'all for that size. I'm gonna have to see y'all some true break shit. Oh yeah. I got new errors now, you know what I'm saying? Gotta come to the store to get it. Come on, Joe. We gonna put some online merch out there, but it's best to, you know, make niggas come in. I don't want them coming to get you to be here. I haven't been here for the first time. I'm gonna do the trap for them. Let it be the last. Let it be the last. We gotta figure out how to do it. I don't want to figure out how to do it. Put them be. We out of here. Beauty. We can set that up. We need to have some true burger. Now.