 In Frederick Douglass' My Bondage, My Freedom, it's the fourth of his autobiographies and he elaborates upon a story that he tells in his first autobiography, The Life of Frederick Douglass. And it's where he meets up with Sandy, who he knows from the region as an African conjurer. Sandy is also a slave. He is also a slave who has been sent to the region of the eastern shore to be broken. But he is known in the slave community for not giving up the customs and traditions of Africa. And Douglass is a Christian and the setting is that Douglass has just run away from Covey after being beaten by Covey. And he is fearful of who he hears walking in the woods and it turns out to be Sandy. And he goes home with Sandy and he is talking with Sandy about his problem about, I don't want to be beat anymore. I don't want to be put in this situation. And Sandy offers him a root as a talisman. He offers him some herbs from the woods. And it's a real symbol to Douglass of the traditional African customs of something from the earth gives you power. And Sandy encourages Douglass to put it in his pocket and assures him that when he goes back to Covey that Covey won't beat him or if he does he will have the power to overcome Covey. And it works. Or at least Douglass questions if it works because when he does go back Covey is not successful in his second attempt to beat Douglass. And Douglass really struggles then with the confrontation of something African traditional tribal prevailed over his traditional, his accepted views of Christianity. And that's a real personal conflict for him. Well in his first autobiography The Life of Frederick Douglass which is probably the most commonly read it's barely mentioned in passing. It's barely mentioned. He doesn't go into any kind of details about his own personal struggles with the talisman about how the fact that he had it in his pocket challenges his own Christian beliefs. So he's thinking a little bit more later in life about who Sandy was, what Sandy represented on the eastern shore, how dramatically unique Sandy was from all the other slaves that Douglass encountered. Douglass was almost surprised later in life that the extent to which there could be one person who was still so African.