 on it and now I'm just getting bombarded with advertising for them and now you will too Greg I guess so sorry about that you know it's it's just it's a startup they've been or I don't know how long they've been around I looked up at some point they seem to be doing fine yeah what okay all right I was just talking for 20 seconds about air table and here's more of that yeah okay no problem now I mean you know the description certainly looks familiar to the people who are talking about enterprise media we keep part spreadsheet part database entirely flexible organize your work your way you know I keep I don't I don't really see them as a competitor because they seem to be very much geared toward project management specifically but they have here things that look this one doesn't this one looks like Trello or fabricator whatever as opposed to anything you see in media wiki but some of these things do look familiar to people who use media wiki in terms of you know you put together a spreadsheet and then you can make visualizations around that so yeah I don't see them as a competitor a because they're really gearing themselves specifically from project management be because I mean it's sort of I think it would be helpful for us actually to have a true proprietary competitor so we can say we're the open source this we don't I think that would actually help us define ourselves in a big way to you know to people who otherwise just don't you know can't even put their hands around heads around the concept but that's a whole separate issue because this isn't this isn't really what we're doing but there's but there's some interesting things here I mean the fact that they're that it's geared here more as a it's sort of a spreadsheet plus in our case it's a wiki plus and there is an argument to be made for at least in some cases for viewing things at the spreadsheet level instead of at the page level we wish I could find an example of just there's their random just I think one of these images is just a spreadsheet but anyway this is a that's just randomly I want to point out speaking of Google Summer of Code we also have another potential Google Summer of Code project where people can have a spreadsheet interface to edit all the pages in one category or they call one template at the same time which may potentially lead to people to be able to use media wiki for you know it was more of a spreadsheet plus kind of application so that's it