 One of the most effective interventions you can find on the market, on the legal open market to help manage inflammation, anxiety, improve sleep, and even potentially reduce your risk of cancer are cannabinoids. That's right. Cannabinoids now have mounting evidence that they produce some pretty incredible effects in the body. Here's the challenge. When you buy cannabinoid-based products like CBD oils, for example, or hemp oil products, they're not regulated and oftentimes you're not getting efficacious doses. That being said, when you do find a good brand, this stuff has medicinal, effective properties. It's pretty amazing stuff, especially now that we're looking at the science that's coming out. So this was something I read about a lot, a lot, a lot back in the day. That of me remember, this is how you and I first got, you know, even before we started Mind Pump, you and I connected over this, I had a family member, someone very, very close to me. This was probably, I want to say, nine or 10 years ago now, who was battling terminal cancer. It was terminal. The doctor told us it was terminal. It was this type of stomach cancer that had the survival rate was like 3%. And there was nothing available to help. So I scoured the internet for animal studies on anything that could potentially do anything at all. I was desperate. And I would stay up all night reading, and then I found research on cannabinoids. There was this one study that was done on rats with multi-form glioblastoma. So I think it's a type of brain cancer, hope I'm pronouncing it right. And a Spanish researcher exposed the mice to high doses of cannabinoids, THD in particular, and their survival rate went through the roof. And this just, you know, promoted all these other studies on cancer cells. And then I found the old study, 1974 government study on cannabis where they were trying to link it to lung cancer. They actually halted the study because they saw that it might have a reverse effect. So like, we don't want this getting out. Was it the 70s they stopped all this research? Well, when it became, yes, when the war on drugs really kicked up and they classified it as a, what's that? There's like schedule one. Schedule one, yeah. It was so almost impossible to study for anything other than its potential negative effects, right? So it was impossible, but it's pretty remarkable. And so as I went down this rabbit hole trying to help my family member and all that, I learned about the endocannabinoid system. That's our body's natural cannabinoid system. So we produce cannabinoids that are similar to the ones found in the hemp plant or in the, for example, the marijuana plant. And we have these receptors that cannabinoids attach to that are some of the most abundant receptors in the body. They're like everywhere. And then I started learning about their function. And one of the functions of these receptors is to produce a balance homeostasis. I've been, I've heard it being compared to like a, like a dimmer on a light switch. So you'll see studies where people have an immune system that's overactive and it helps bring it down. And then other studies where people have an underactive immune system where it brings it up, it doesn't block inflammation like NSAIDs do. And there's some negative effects of that, right? If you take too many NSAIDs, joints start to break down, muscle recovery slows down, you start, actually start to see injury risk increase because you need some inflammation as a signaling process, but it doesn't block inflammation, it modulates it. It just makes it more balanced and appropriate. Same thing with sleep and anxiety and all these other things. So really remarkable stuff. And you can, THC is the most, you know, widely known cannabinoid. That's the one that is abused, that has these kind of effects on our psyche. There may be some, some benefits there, but it's all these other cannabinoids that don't make you high, that have also some pretty incredible. So you can literally use these cannabinoids, not get high, be like totally fine, maybe just feel more relaxed or a little bit better, but get all these pretty amazing benefits. Now, how do you, how do you reconcile, you know, the point where there was hardly any studies around this, and then all of a sudden it becomes popular. And now tons of stuff is getting researched around this. And there's tons of advertising and marketing around all these different benefits it does. How do you sift through all the different things that it supposedly can do for our body that's positive and know what to take is like, oh, that's, that's of real value right there. Because, you know, this is the hard part about our space is that we tend to do this, we've done this with branched chain of amino acids. We've seen it done with creatine. I've seen it done with protein powders. I've seen it done with anything that shows that it has some weight. Like, oh, there's some value there. And then as soon as the market recognizes that it's, it is marketable. They go crazy. And they go crazy. And then so, so how do you, as somebody who loves to read all the research and stuff on all these things, sift through that and go like, okay, yeah, it does that, but it's like, you know, I'm not going to take it for those reasons, because let's be honest. No, you're right, because you had, you know, CBD shampoo, CBD infused socks, like just, I mean, it just got, and then on top of it, because it's an unregulated space, does it have CBD? Does it not? What about the other cannabinoids? Probably not. There's like this wide range of products on the market where you could take something. And here's what happens oftentimes with, with what things like, like you're saying, Adam, is they'll be like, oh, this is really, this really works. But then the market is flooded with a bunch of fake stuff. People try it. They're like, it never worked for me. Right. It doesn't work. Um, but to your question, there's a couple of things that I look at. One is when there's something new and there just aren't, isn't a lot of studies behind it. First, I look at, uh, old anecdote, like, okay, what have people been saying for a long time? And then can I find any studies to support this at all? Are there cultures that have implemented this for, you know, hundreds of years? Yeah. So like cannabinoids for, you know, culturally, um, in different populations, anecdotally has been widely used for what? Um, anxiety, sleep and pain. Those are the most common appetite, uh, and also appetite stimulation in some cases. Creativity there. Yeah. Well, and then, and then, yeah, there's lots of anecdote with creativity, right? Some people will say it makes them more creative. Um, so I would go there and then I would look at studies to kind of support that. But then if I'm just looking at studies, I want to see, do we have more than one study supporting the same thing? Do we understand the mechanisms? And then, um, let's take it from there. But the things that I, that I just listed, like, uh, pain modulation, um, we have a lot of evidence now to show that it, it probably, these cannabinoids probably help, uh, quite a bit through the way that we experience pain, uh, which is interesting. Um, it's different than your traditional painkillers. So it's like you use cannabinoids and you get like the strong painkiller effect. You just tend to notice the pain less. Um, and in combination with painkillers, for example, there's some studies that show that people that use cannabinoids, uh, non-THC cannabinoids along with opiates use less opiates and they get the same, um, uh, you know, kind of benefit. Um, sleep, uh, anxiety. It's got enziolytic effects. There's a lot of evidence, um, that's showing stuff like that. And then there's some like, you know, interesting stuff that's out there. Like there's a lot of cannabinoids, right? There's one called CBC. I think it's cannabicromine. I think it's, uh, the full name that has been shown in studies to stimulate the growth of brain cells, which is pretty cool. Um, all of them have anti very interesting antibacterial properties. In fact, I think CBG is been shown to have anti, uh, what's that, what's that one, um, bacterial infection you can get in your skin? Is it called MRSA that you can get? It's like, and it's like, uh, resistant to antibiotics. And it's really, really bad. They're examining it and looking at it because it, it seems to have this effect where it stops it, where it kills it. Um, so I mean bone building effects in some studies, I think that that, and back in the day when I was reading about this, um, I ended up buying, there was a company that was researching CBD and you couldn't even buy, um, shares of it on the stock market. You had to buy what's called, um, uh, pink sheets because it was so new and whatever. And I remember I bought $9 a share because I was reading all the stuff and I'm like, Oh, this, this is going to be huge. And I eventually sold for like $150 a share because the researchers just keeps compiling. Well, that's so interesting to me, but the research is that it's, it's complimentary to a lot of medicine and a lot of things that, um, people are taking anyways. And so like you said, like a dimmer sort of effect. Like if, you know, you're getting too strong of a response, it'll help to kind of bring that down. If you're getting too, uh, lower response, it'll kind of bring, raise that up. And it's, uh, before that, it was like, what, you just had symptoms and you're trying to treat the symptoms with this like concentrated, you know, pharmaceutical, which then you'd have the opposite effect of that. If you have the side effects and so it's like, you know, it's an interesting one that kind of wedges in between both of those. And I know like fungus and mushrooms kind of have an interesting adaptogenic kind of property to them as well, but it is, it's like, it's one of those, you could just throw it on top of a cocktail of things. And it doesn't seem to have like a, is there a lot of, uh, like, um, Eastern medicine, like practitioners that utilize cannabis, you know, are you familiar with that? Yeah. No, cannabis would, um, there's some history there, but Middle East is where you'll see, um, certain things like the, you know, what do they call the Afghani strains? Yeah, they were, they were, um, uh, native to those areas. Well, in India, they had a bunch of gurus would, um, uh, I think use it in spiritual practice. You know, what's funny is that because one of the cannabinoids got us high, THC, um, and really you have to heat it up in order for that to happen. That's why you light it. It's called decarbox, decarboxylization. So you heat it up and then it becomes active. That's why you cook it or you smoke it. And of course, um, that's what got celebrated the most, everything else got ignored. And then we ended up breeding the plants that have, like, because what happens is all the cannabinoids have to, you can't have 100% of each cannabinoid. It's like a balance, right? And so we bump up the THC like crazy and it reduces all the other cannabinoids. So the cannabis, like the, the actual marijuana that people use now is, is been bred to just make you high. Yeah. Whereas if you go back a thousand years, less than benefits, yeah, it would have been way more balanced and different. Yeah. And you get more of the potential adverse effects from it, which I think one of the best pieces of advice that you ever shared, um, that I took and applied. And of course, then there's been times where I've been inconsistent and not, which helps me really like measure like, oh, wow, what a difference this makes. And that was simply bumping up, uh, the CBD with the THC because of that, we've bred these plants to be so high in THC and that's not how it was naturally found in nature. We've, we've bred them to get to that point. And like we always tend to do with stuff like, oh, more is better, right? So let's, let's push it, push the limits. And I find if I smoke a really strong THC or eat really strong, uh, THC strain and I, and the CBD is low, I, I tend to get some of the adverse effects, headaches, uh, insomnia, hangover the next day. I don't feel the same way. If I just level that out or like what I'll do is I'll take the Ned full spectrum. If I take a, a dropper full of that with me like smoking in one of the strains that I have, that I know it totally mitigates all that stuff. Yeah. And the other thing I want to communicate, uh, to people, um, cause that's 100% true. In fact, there's studies that show the memory loss effects from, which are real from THC, right? Like a lot abuse of THC is not good. Let's just be clear. It's not good for your brain. Um, it's not good for your body. It's got addictive properties, like anything that, um, can be real enjoyable. Um, you can get withdrawal when you go off of it. Um, so it's got classic potential properties for abuse, although I mean, I compared to other substances, it's, uh, fairly safe compared to a lot of other common leaves substances like alcohol, but, uh, nonetheless, um, if you use CBD with it, studies will show that the memory loss effects, um, become way less. You just don't get as much of that. Like, oh, I have that short term, you know, memory loss, uh, type of thing. But one thing I do want to say to people is people have been conditioned because the market has been flooded with so much garbage that if they're going to take a product that they're going to be like, well, I don't feel it, but I think it's working. No, if you use a real full spectrum hemp oil or hemp based cannabinoid product, not THC, I'm not talking about marijuana. I'm talking about legal legal cannabinoids. So the THC is so low that it's totally legal, you should still feel it. Now you're not going to get high, but if you take it an hour or an hour and a half later, you should feel something. You should feel like, wow, I feel calmer. Calm effect. I feel better. I feel a little bit of euphoria. I'm kind of in a good mood. If you take something and you don't feel it, people are like conditioned to be like, oh, it's because it's not psychoactive. Yeah, it's not psychoactive, but you should feel something. So if you take something and you don't feel it, either your dose is too low or more likely it's garbage. It's not the real deal. In fact, they've done, and this is just the supplement industry at large, they'll take supplements and they'll study them and find that seven out of 10 of them are totally off of what the label says, seven out of 10. I bet you if you took CBD products and you took a bunch of them and you tested nine out of 10, I bet it would be most, if not all, right? 100 percent. Well, at the very minimum, you'd find a bunch of other, you know, crap in there, too. I mean, you would you would see them pixie dusting, you would see them, you would see them like just be some oil in there or something. Yeah, just the process to get it down to that, too. Like there, I mean, you could do a really clean, good job and then you could do like a real bang up shitty job to get to that point, too. And if it's not being regulated, then why would you waste your time on all these other processes that make it, you know, more pure and better? It's like only you got to have some serious integrity in order to do that. And I think the price point normally reflects that, right? The people that are going through these extra steps to make sure that it's really, really good in top notch, they're getting it like either tested by a third party. They're going through multiple processes to get it down to the purest, cleanest source, throwing out anything that's not that. And then they're they're bringing that product to market. But then then they're going to charge right what sucks is that when something like this happens, the market becomes incredibly competitive. And then what we end up doing is we keep, we start competing with price and then you have people that'll be like, I could get that same thing for 15 dollars. It's not the same. It's not the same. And so it's just like, well, yeah, that's because they didn't get it tested. That's because they didn't go through all the purification process. Like, you know, you're or they're pixie dusting or they doesn't even have any of the shit in there. It says it does it. So, you know, buyer beware. You know, I'm another thing to consider, too, is that and the evidence on this is compiling. They call it the entourage effect with cannabinoids where if you just use CBD, you get some of these benefits. If you just use another cannabinoid, you get some of the benefits. When you use them together, it's not one plus one equals two. It's like one plus one equals four. You get this multiplication effect. So whatever you use, you do you want to probably use something that's what's called full spectrum. It's got everything. Do you remember that that was one of the biggest things that we you were all excited about when we first met the guys over at Ned was this. That wasn't popular yet. No. So when when as soon as like any sort of information came out about CBD and it was legal, it was legal to sell it or anything like that, everybody just jumped on the CBD bandwagon like right away. And I know you were always ahead of the curve because you had already been studying it yourself and you're just like, no, it's better to be full spectrum. And Ned was one of the first companies out in the entire market that was going that direction with full. They understood. So this was how long has it been now, seven years? Close to about six years. So I mean, I went I got I mean, I got to paint the context here like paint the picture, you know, because somebody close to me was dying, I was obsessed with trying to find something that could help her. This was a very tough process. I'm an obsessive person anyway. But I literally for a year, all I did was read about things that could help. And then when I stumbled upon cannabinoids, I went as deep as I possibly could on it. So I'm not a researcher, not a scientist, but companies would come to us trying to work with them. We want to sell a CBD pro is a hot thing on the market. And it was very disappointing talking to these people because I knew a lot more than them. I'd ask them a question about like, you know, what kind of terpenes are you? And they would even know what that was or what about, you know, CB, you know, CBN or CBG, they wouldn't even know what that was. So when Ned approached us, I remember I was super skeptical and I'm like, at first I said, no, I don't want to work with any cannabinoid companies. They're all, they're all crap. And, you know, Adam's like, well, no, these guys might be different. I said, all right, let me get on the phone with these two guys and see what's going on. And they knew this was seven years ago when nobody was talking about any of this stuff. And we were going back and forth and I'm like, oh, these guys are legit. They know their stuff. And I mean, look, I got half of my family on on Ned, half of them. And these are my aunts, uncles, great, you know, grandparents, my parents, like they, you know, they just want things like, you know, pain. My dad's got arthritis and joint issues from working hard labor his whole life. He takes one or two of the capsules every single night. Yeah. And he's like, it's nothing's made me feel better consistently than this. I believe that's what true. Was it Rhett that one of the owners to CBD and like researching it was somebody that was ill in his family, right? Yes. This is mom or I don't remember exactly who, but yeah, it has this whole story behind it. And that was like the driving factors, finding something that actually had the right dosage and was concentrated with, you know, cannabinoid to help. Yep. Yep. No, they had a personal story behind it. They got a farm there. I mean, they're all like they're these guys, they're legit. They're the most legit people that we found in this particular space. Anyway, interesting stuff, very interesting science for all you nerds out there read about the endocannabinoid system because there's more medicine and more applications to come. Yep. It's pretty cool stuff. All right, today's program giveaway is Maps Aesthetic. Here's how you can win. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Also subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. We're also running a sale on two workout programs. Maps Anabolic and Maps Split both 50% off. If you're interested in that discount, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, here comes the rest of the show. So I had to I had to bring something up because I heard you say, I don't know if we're on air or off air when we were talking about this, but I felt that it's something that I would normally tease you about or make fun of you. And I felt that I should I should admit that I had that I've like been sucked into this, too, is that Katrina and I now have watched most of these love love is blind episodes from both the ceases. What a shitty show. So last night, you know, see, we're speaking of cannabis, like that's the transition here, right? I'm like, I'm smoking weed and I'm watching watching love is blind with Katrina. I'm going like, why do we like to watch this? What is it? It's such a terrible show. It's the worst of humans. You know, and I mean, there's something about just the psychology of, you know, these these people that are, you know, getting to know each other before they meet and it just shows you what interesting creatures we are, right? Like 100 percent, there's something to be said about building and and creating this, you know, non superficial relationship, right? You can't see each other. It's nothing. No physical attraction. It's purely about like authentic rapport, right? Their character and their heart and their morals and their values and the things that they're into because I can't see you. I'm literally just talking to you. So we should probably explain what like the prep. So literally they're in these pods and they just they can't see each other and they just talk. And I don't know what the process how I think it's two weeks. Yeah, it's a few weeks, but it's like power dating, right? So it's like every day, all day long. They're power dating like like 20 different people. And if you make a strong connection enough to want to propose and you propose to someone. Right. And that happens all the time. And then, you know, I think what I think Katrina and I love to do is we love to predict before that's what we do before it unfolds. It's like, oh, no, that ain't happening. Or like she's crazy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's insecure. Yeah, yeah. Right. Right. And now a couple of like a couple of assholes. The hard critique that I have about that show and in fact, for every reality show on television and it's unfortunate because I think reality TV started off with some started off kind of cool. And then it's just really gone down the hill because it's turned into a fame chasers. Right. So like a show is pure on its first season. A lot of times I felt this way about biggest loser. I felt this way about real world. I feel this way about love is blind. Where when it first is brand new and nobody even understands how the game is played or what's going to really happen. And you're watching it for the first time. I think you get the purest version of it. And then what ends up happening is a lot of these people just want attention. They go through the whole process to become famous online and TV and stuff like that. They just want to be on a show. They peer into the formula of what's actually going to get an airtime. Like when, you know, if I am to try to make this happen and and get engaged and all that, that's going to be a story now that's more likely to make the cut. 100 percent. Or just signing up in general. Like I'm a failed actor. I want to be on TV. I'm going to sign up for this. I'm going to sign up for four reality shows. That's right. There's in fact, there's a guy. How many of them have a relationship, you know, to like outside the show that they're coming on the show pretending. So Katrina can't help herself when we watch these things. Like she goes and like she wants to find out where they're at now. Right. So she'll go Google and read all the gossip online about them or whatever. And like one of the guys is this is like his second or third like dating marriage reality show. OK, is it OK? Now, this might be a sexist thing to say, but like, is that like a female thing? Because Courtney, like as we're watching this show, they have to like look up all the bio and statistics like the actors and actresses. I'm like, well, who cares? It is women are more they're more social. They build communities. They communicate more. They they want to know what's going on. That's that the theory behind that is they stayed behind and they built the the village. You know, while the guys were out. It's just funny. It's exactly what you do. So, yeah, just go do the same. Yeah, there was that joke, like the CIA should just hire a bunch of. So find out all the bios. I got all stats, dude. Right here on the board. What's going on? Yeah, no, it's it's funny to watch. It's it's actually a little depressing, though, because of how few of them actually work out. They rarely ever work out. I think like every season so far, like it's so hard to watch. First of all, when we watch it, Jessica and I, so we watched it with my daughter. She's 13. And and so I see before she think about it. Well, before we put it on, I we I said to my daughter, I said, honey, I said, I just want you to know that when we watch this, we are we are the worst versions of ourselves as we're watching it. So you can hear you're going to hear me say a lot of stuff. I'm going to sound like it, you know, whatever I said, but it's pure garbage and that's, you know. So we turn entertainment. Yeah, so she jumps on board and does the same thing. We just, you know, kind of have a lot of fun. And every once in a while, I check myself like, God, I'm being mean right now. But, you know, it's, it's, it's such, it's so, you have to let yourself fall into it. Otherwise it's impossible to watch. Cause first of all, who signs up for something like this to find a mate, like what kind of person does that? So there's that self-selection bias. So you're going to have like a bunch of narcissists, like weird people. Then on number two, oh, you fell in love over a two day period and you proposed like that's making a mockery out of marriage. Then you meet and then, oh my God, we're still so in love. Then they all meet together and almost every single one of them flirts with another person's like mate. And the cameras are recorded. That's where you're like, come on. Jessica and I are watching like, don't they know they're being recorded? Like, why would he, like everyone's going to watch this after I'm like, it's all fake. So I'll play devil's advocate a little bit with that, right? So I think that there is some like, okay, how often do people in the real world swipe an app, pick somebody, go out to one date, hang out with them and end up sleeping with them or they hang out. They don't get married. Well, yeah, they don't get, but there's that process, the actual marriage process, before they actually walk down the aisle, they spend, they spend the 14 days of hours and hours of communicating. Then they go on a one month, or excuse me, a two week honeymoon type of vacation. Then they go 30 days of living together and then they have, I think, a wedding six months later. So it's not like, literally- Is it six months later? No, I think the wedding's, no, no, no, no. Maybe not six. It's not even 30 days, bro. Remember when you were in the house? No, remember there was an episode I just watched, they were in the house living together and they met the parents. They had just met the parents through the person. Yeah, yeah. They said, so when you guys get married, first off, the parents even know. So what kind of person doesn't tell their parents anything. Then the parents like, well, when are you guys getting married? Oh, in two weeks? So it wasn't, it's not that long, dude. I think the whole process- Is it maybe a couple of months? Max. Well, it's at least a couple of months because they're two weeks in the pod and I know for sure they have a house together for 30 days. So it's a minimum of two months. You also noticed that first off- You've seen crazier people get proposed to and married. And my point of point, devil's advocate is like, you got to give them some credit for that 14 days of power dating. I mean, hours and hours of uninterrupted one-on-one conversation that's pure. There's no touching, sexual, anything. It's just talking, getting to know, taking notes. Like there's some interesting idea about that. Like, okay, like, if you really disciplined yourself to just peer into somebody's insides with no distraction of our sexual attraction, how deep and how much could I learn about somebody? Yeah, but I think so. I think that's interesting, but I think the environment is so fake that you are- I think it's tainted now. Well, what I mean by fake is it's not the real world. I think if you took a bunch of people, you locked them in a situation, you said, you're not doing anything but this, you're going to find fake connections and you're going to fall in fake love. I really think more of that's going to happen, especially if you had alcohol, they're always drinking. You're all locked up, you're kind of like, I can't do anything else but this. So you're going to like, oh my God, I think I love this person. And then you're going to amplify these feelings because you're supposed to, you're on this show. And then because you're probably insecure, narcissists because you shine up- I actually think- Then you want the attention. I actually think the experiment, if it wasn't a reality show, wouldn't be as flawed. It's flawed because it's a show, there's recordings, it's got a timeframe, it's like people are going to get famous off of it. So that completely taints the test. If these people chose that- Well, I think you just created a new dating app. No, I see, I mean, I mean, don't you agree though, that like the idea of if everybody like was forced to get to know each other on a deep intimate personal level about character, values, morals, before the physical intimacy part came in, that there would be probably a lot more successful relationships and marriage. Problem is because it's put on a show and there's cameras and there's people that have been doing these other shows and there's there's social media aspect to it, there's this whole other, it completely taints the test. It's not a good study. It's not a true like control. No, because they keep referring to it as an experiment. Yeah, exactly. And if it wasn't on television, it would be a really interesting experiment to say, what if we did take these people and they weren't on television, no one got any fame out of it. And we actually just control the group of 100 people and watch this over the course of six months, what would happen? I bet it would be more successful. Pretty funny because this has been spin-offs of this concept. Yeah, there's lots of them. Yeah, there's one about like, they would all wear these beast costumes. Oh, I saw this one. Did you see that? It's so weird. It's like they had like four suitors or whatever. Like they would go on these like separate dates with, but they all had to wear these crazy costumes. Yeah, like they look like a moose or a... It's so Bud Light. Yeah, it's super Bud Light. Pretty out there. So they were like deciding whoever had the best personality and then they gelled with the best. And then at the end, they have to pick and it's like, oh, this is so tough. I don't know. Because like you have no idea what they look like. And then they take their mask off and then they show you who you got rid of. And in lots of the times, it's like the hottest one. They're like, no. They kicked themselves. My favorite part is the part that I like, and I love to predict that. Just by looking and listening to these before they all meet of like Katrina and I will go like, oh, no, no, no. Watch when she sees that dude who she said no to. I'm sorry, dude, but inflections of voice and like, I can kind of tell what type. I don't know. I feel like I'd have a pretty decent read on like, their physical stature. Like, what kind of body they have. You don't think you can do that? Like I remember, I would know all these things. I did a lot of phone calls to the gym business. And I remember like, I vividly remember, I talked to them like, that girl's going to be cute. Watch when she walks in. And every time, every time I say, you can hear it. I think you can hear it. So in studies, there is some, there is some truth to that. So they'll have men listen to voices and women listen to voices and then rate attractiveness. And there is some accuracy. There's also some accuracy with smell. You know that women can take a t-shirt that a man wore, smell it. And with a greater than, than random, greater than random, they can determine the attractiveness of the male based off of the smell of the shirt. So they can smell it and be like, oh, I think this guy's going to be attractive. And they're actually right, something like 70% of time. Wow. Something like that. Yeah. That's interesting. Based off the pheromones. Yeah. It's a big picture, right? I agree with you. I think it would be a better way to connect with people because let's, if you look at marriage, the idea is you partner with someone and you decide we're going to do life forever together. At some point, like, I hate to break this to everybody, but you're not going to look the way you do. Feelings are going to go. Yeah, dude. Like, you're going to get old. Like, you're not going to look the way you do. Only thing that's left is that, is all that stuff. Whatever work you put in. Yeah. So I agree with that, but I don't know. I didn't know that. That's such a, you got me thinking about that. That's a crazy concept that somebody could smell the attractiveness of somebody. They can't. And did you know, did you know that they've done studies, right, where when a woman is talking to a man that she's attractive to, she'll subconsciously raise her voice just slightly above where it normally is and a man will just slightly lower it down. Lower as well. Yes. Yeah, because of more of a booming, lower voice is attractive. Yeah. Right, ladies? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, voice is a big one for women. Yeah, yeah. Girls like, yeah, like the higher they go, we're like, oh, I'm paying attention. Really? Yeah. So, and without realizing it, like, you talk to it, you ever watch movies where guys will do that? No, that's funny. Where like a guy talks to her, oh, hey, how you doing? Oh, hey, girl. Yeah, we actually do that. A little bit subconsciously. Yeah, low voice signifies testosterone and virility. I mean, I could definitely see guys posturing different, like when you talk to like a girl, and all of a sudden you suck it in, you sit up. Yeah, you chest up a little higher, shoulders are back, you know what I'm saying? All of a sudden you get like this bigger posture when you're talking to some girl you're trying to do. Did I tell you guys, I think I told you guys a story about the guy that hired, he hired somebody to fake mug him and this girl he was interested in so he could like fight him off and impress the girl. Did I tell you guys about this? Yeah, it was you that did that. I think it's brilliant, except I shit, we'll backfire one day. One day some real shit's gonna happen. Oh honey, we're gonna get out of here. Beat him up like that other guy. He's the wrong guy. Anyway, so AI, lots of talk around AI, we've talked about them quite a bit and we've speculated on what industries AI was gonna disrupt the most. I have a prediction on one industry, I think it's gonna completely decimate. Okay. And there's already evidence that it's starting to happen. I have one too. So I just read an article on Reddit. So Reddit is like internet wasteland, right? You can read or see whatever forums for whoever, right? There's people selling on Reddit AI-generated nudes. So they're not real people, they're naked AI images and people are paying for them and loving them. And then the comments are, I don't care if it's a real person or not, I'm not gonna meet this person. I just like the nudes or whatever. AI-generated pornography is gonna decimate the porn industry. It's gonna kill it, it's gonna crush it. When you can generate something that's valued- Well, it's good for the porn industry because now you're getting rid of the sex trafficking portion of it that they've been criticized so much about. Dude, when you, when it's indistinguishable from a human and I was thinking about this, I don't remember who someone sent us this article. So I was reading it. When your industry is valued purely for its visual stimulatory effects, like you don't care about anything else. It's the fact that I look at it and it's stimulatory or whatever, right? Like process food, it's just like process food. Then, and when AI can make indistinguishable, perfect looking or distorted or whatever your fancy is. Will we ever be able to do so? I mean, we, what a great transition in this conversation because we were just talking about how crazy that you could smell somebody and pick up of the traffic. You could hear their voice and notice the inflection of their voice. There's so many of these like senses that we have as humans that, that create this attraction to another human. Will AI ever be able to, to generate that fully, to fool the human, the human's ability to do that? Or will there always be this kind of natural instinct that's so individualized for all of us that it won't ever quite replace? It could, it could somewhat like it like. Not on all levels. I mean, it'd take a really long time for like the physical version of that to be believable. Yeah. And in person, yeah, it'll take a little while. In, on a picture or a video, that's gonna happen. Five years. Five years, you're gonna see video and pictures and real actors and actresses are gonna be done. Okay, so that's your theory on, so I don't think that will get disrupted. It's gonna be cheaper, the actors don't age, they're perfect looking, the scenes can be whatever the hell you want. They could fill every fan, do weird, I mean, whatever like depraved anything that someone thinks of. I mean, there's gonna be. I guarantee there would be a good person to talk to this because it's already in, like if you go to Pornhub, there's already a whole like AI or a whole like animated section and everything. And they already have like. Yeah, but that's animated. This AI stuff looks like what they're selling from this article. I know, but what I'm saying is I'm speculating that they probably already have some things that are similar and in the direction of what you're speculating right now. And I bet you that they could tell just by the increase to viewership and what's happening in there if that's actually a legitimate argument. Well, it's the market. And that's what they're saying. They're saying that the market is showing that this is. Yeah, okay, so you can only fan like sites where they have these like Instagram models that already look just like a real person, but they're fake. They're completely AI generated and they just exaggerate some of their features a bit more. Like it's like over the top, you know, but it's like still somewhat believable. So people are subscribing to that already, which is kind of a trip. Yeah, like they're saying they were saying in this article that people are being catfished because people are making AI generated images, creating accounts, and people think it's a real person, but it's not. It's some dude and making money. It's a nerdy engineer. Right. Bro, listen, cheetah dust. Hey, that's an industry that is so easy to disrupt if you just have something that looks that looks better. So I definitely agree that it'll be one of the industries that adopt all that stuff first. I mean, we go back to when we first started Mine Pump and my uncle Casey, right? It would always tell us, it's like, follow the porn industry. They're always there. They're always leading the charge on the internet. Don't you remember that? Yeah. The innovators? Yes. That's right. Don't you remember? Ted follows them every time. I mean, he's right, though. He's right. I mean, they're always kind of on the front end of stuff, especially when it's fringed like this to be the first to adopt it. So I don't disagree that it'll be one of the first to fully adopt, integrate, and use. Will it put all the porn stars out of business and so like that? I don't know if I subscribe to that. What I think is an industry that will be decimated first, or at least one of the first, is like trip advisory. So there is like, think about this right now. That's a huge market. Yeah, that's an easy, that's a low hanging fruit. Low hanging fruit. Like, and you can already use this in an example. We were having that great conversation with Ben Greenfield that hasn't aired yet. And he talked about how he planned his trip. Like, you can now use AI and go like, okay, I'm going here to here. I want the cheapest tickets in economy for whatever you want. I want the cheapest tickets for this. This is one of all the specifics. Yeah, like literally lay out the specifics of your trip that you want. Give me where I go. Where am I going? What am I doing? How much in like detailed out? It has all the data ready to go. Right out. And so that, why would I need a trip advisor ever again? Yeah. Have you seen the charts on the markets that they are predicting are going to be the first ones to get disrupted? No, no, I haven't. Where's education in that? In the middle. Yeah. Yeah. Legal services. Well, legal makes perfect sense. Was actually at one of the highest. I do remember seeing that. You're right. Because I mean, how hard, I mean, imagine, imagine how like what makes an incredible lawyer is the ability to recall all the laws and cases, which is like an infinite amount of that. And so if you can, if you can, How mad would you be into school for like years? Past the bar. And like you lose. Oh, that's a really hard profession. Yeah. And besides maybe trial law, like, you know, the stuff you typically make money on is like people asking questions and hiring you for this or that. And then you just go on AI and it does it for you. Wow. That would be so disrupting. Brutal. To that particular market. What was the other one? It was customer service. That was the number one that they think is going to be. That's so obvious. I mean, we've already seen that. That's already been actually in the works with like the way these like automated like, I mean, you can go into a lot of websites and like type in a question. You're talking to a machine. You're not talking to a person on the other end, but it feels like you're talking to a real person. And so that's just getting more sophisticated, right? Yeah. At what point do we replace all the D and V people? Yeah. Oh. No, so you. We can't. They never will. You know what? That's right. You've named two things that are government. Yes. And they won't. So those will be the last ones. Yeah. Yeah. Those will be the last ones. Those will just stay painfully. That's where I wanted, I guess. Yeah. Like selfishly. Yeah. Yeah. Let's change that right now. No, unfortunately, that's what won't happen. You know what's going to be really weird? Because we can speculate all day on what AI is going to do and stuff, but you know what's going to be really weird? We already are so dis, like just generally the public at large has lost trust in authority and media, like up to levels that we haven't seen ever, I think. Yeah. When you start adding AI-generated politicians and speeches and events that you can't tell, I think it's all the power of video and audio is gone. No one's going to believe shit anymore. Just like when somebody sends an article, hey, check this article out that says this and you're like, oh, that's CNN fake news or that's Fox fake news. Yeah, that already happened. Oh, he had a speech that was completely coherent sentence. That's fake. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's no way that's real. There was a picture of the Pope wearing a white, puffy jacket. Oh, I saw that. I saw that. And it spread like crazy. People thought it was real. Yeah, I saw that. But it wasn't real. Yeah, I saw that. So like what's going to happen when like think about like, like there's all those Trump images of him getting like arrested. Yeah, he's all tatted up. He's all tatted up. On about one where he's all even. Yeah, the one's just the cops like. Oh yeah, I see. I show you the whole. Look super real. Yeah, all the cops, though, look like from the Matrix. The same guy. Yeah. Yeah, like just a little bit different versions of the same guy. It's like six fingers and one. Smith. Yeah, yeah. But at some point, dude, it's going to get weird. We're going to be like, what's. So I. So okay, what do you think? Mr. Politics, right? I actually think that this election, and we're going to see something come out that's really weird. Think about this. There's the Pope right there. Look how good that looks. Tell me that didn't look like a real picture. I thought it was real. That's funny, dude. Yeah, dude. I mean, that's a pimp coat right there. In five years. Do you know how crazy that's going to be? I know the detail in the vein in his head and it wrinkles and expression. Like, I mean, that's hard to tell. That's fake. That's now. That's not in five years. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. Right. So you think this next election, there's this next election. I think, okay, think about this too. You don't think we already have AI stuff that could literally, you could prompt it to go like, based off the polls, based off of what happened in the last election, based off of what the majority of people like, just like literally write me a speech to hit all the perfect things. Yes. Yes. Like that has to be happening already. I've already thought of this. So I'm going to get crazy right now. Let's go deep with this. I don't know if this will happen now, but at some point, because AI is going to be connected to, you know, basically social media internet large or it is connected, it'll be able to see and determine in real time, social media posts, shares, clicks, essentially how people are reacting and responding in real time. Yep. And then modify. I believe the speech will start and it'll modify as it continues and goes on. This is working, going that direction. This isn't working back off. Go this way. And literally you're going to hear speeches that are going to tap into. Totally. Most people's psyche and be very, very powerful. I have 100, I have 100. Extra convincing. Extra convincing. You just need a guy that can finish a sentence. Once you have that, once you have somebody can actually put a full complete sentence together. Like that's all he's got to do. Well, let me ask you guys this. Like have you guys ever like. Media upgrade. How many people have actually met and shook the hand of the president, right? Very few. Could they theoretically create the perfect candidate from start to finish? Never exist. And nobody will ever know. And that's the leader of the country and they're doing this and they're doing that and whatever. I sound like a flat earther. Stop. Who really knows, dude? Yeah, I know. That's been a trip. That's been a president for like a year and you're like, have you ever met him? Like why haven't met him either? You're just relying on all these other people to confirm it for you. Yeah. Oh, look, they tried to assassinate him but he survived. This guy's crazy. Wow. He saved that kid. Did you see that? Yeah. I mean, I think what we saw with the social media platforms in the last basically two elections, I think we're going to see a whole, with now with AI integrated into this mix, I think we're going to see. I don't even think I can guess what we're going to see. We're going to see something that we're going to go. We're going to look back and be like, oh, fuck. Here's why, by the way, for anybody who's thinking like, no, no, no. Okay. You're saying, no, no, no. You're a fool. You're tripping. Here's why. They're pressing all buttons. All the motivators, all the motivators, everything that is pro that, there's everything in that list is huge. Corporations would want that because of their influence over government. Governments are going to want that. Anybody with influence of power is going to want a piece of that. Now think on the other side, zero. There's nothing that would oppose that except for the average person who is very easy to manipulate to get the vote in a particular direction. So, you know, all the incentives- I don't think past, right, it's right in front of their face. Yeah. All the incentives are in that direction. So you better believe you're going to have the full power of money, influence, politics, government, corporations behind creating the perfect, you know, political speech, candidate, slogan, narrative, AI generated, whatever. For sure. All everything is going in that direction. Yeah. So to tell me it's not going to happen, it's just a matter of time. So I think what I don't think will happen to Justin's point of view, you're sounding like a flat earther is saying that we're going to have like this AI generated person. I don't think that'll happen. I think the parties, you know, liberal or conservative, it doesn't matter, right? Left or right? We'll find somebody, let's say like the rock who already has fame and is liked by millions and millions of people and then basically groom them, which already kind of happens already. It'll be an actor, right? They can already follow us. That's right. Yeah. There's already some sort of like ranking system. It's already like calculating now based on people's reactions of this person. Yes. Oh my God, you know what they're going to do? You're going to get somebody aggregating it right now. I like the rock who has got acting skills, is loved by millions of people, and then you're going to groom somebody like that. That's better than a politician when you think about it. We don't need you to know policy. We don't need you to know history. We don't need you to know. Well, I thought Reagan was an actor. Yes. I already liked that though. Politicians are already just actors that are too. Yeah, exactly. It's a world stage, dude. But now stretch that out further and further and further. Eventually, it won't be people. That's what I think. Eventually, it'll be a story that they created from scratch. Kid grew up in poverty, overcame this. Look at this. Here's all the evidence. It's like the perfect hero's journey. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's going to end up happening. You know what else? Totally. You know, I was just thinking that could happen right now, literally. You could literally use AI as it is to say create for me a video, a 10-minute video of clips of so-and-so political candidate saying a bunch of things that sound racist or greedy or whatever. And it'll generate for you right there. Yeah. Or compile all the tweets that they said that were the most controversial tweets. And you're going to get all the information that normally you would need. I mean, think about that. A bunch of political advisors to research. Think about how the process has gone now where you're like guilty till proven innocent. Like for a lot of these charges, they can just like arrest you, throw you in. Now you have to prove that that wasn't you. Like that wasn't me in that video. You know, you don't have like the evidence doesn't hold up. But in the meantime, we can still throw you in the court. I mean, this is just what it looks like is happening. Wow. Sorry, I just grabbed it. Yeah. It's for you, man. Oh, man. What are you pulling up there, Andrew? You remember the movie Ready Player One? Yeah, I love that movie. So the main actor in that guy, right? You know the guy the protagonist I'm talking about? Yes. So he created this company. Essentially, it's in beta mode right now, but you can swap out characters and people for people that recorded video of. What? Whoa. Oh, that sucks. What in the world? So you could record a video with someone and just swap out the face and the person. And this is beta? You can animate the characters. You can make them real people. Wow. And you know what compliments this? There's no way we're going to distinguish it. Is this the same guy who also created the software that does the voice change? I don't know about that. Because the UI looks just like that. Have you seen that where Elon is talking on stage and while he's talking? He switches to Morgan Freeman, then Joe Biden, then Trump, then like he's having, just like we're having a conversation. And literally while he's organically talking, the guy's got the software that's attached to the mic and he's just dragging pictures of the actors. And then all of a sudden. All of a sudden Elon Musk sounds just like Morgan Freeman. Wow. No stop in his cadence. Nothing is in. All of a sudden switches to Morgan Freeman. It's wild. How bizarre. You add that to this? I still think Justice Theory that you came up with a while ago. I think you're on point, bro. Antichrist? It's the antichrist, bro. I'm watching from afar. It's all unfolding. It's going to solve everybody's problem, unite the world. I don't have an answer for how to combat it, but it's there. You know? Pull the plug. Paying attention. Yeah. I don't know, man. Maybe crazy stuff. Did you see, Justin, that the deepest, this is the long, I guess, I don't know if it's connected or whatever, but kind of interesting. Did you know that the deepest hole, I got to pull this up. Maybe Andrew can look it up. The deepest hole. Sounds like a your mom joke. Keep going. Damn. Sorry. Did I just ruin the punchline? No. No, it has nothing to do with your mom. The deepest hole ever drilled. Maybe you can look this up. Russia drilled the deepest hole ever drilled. Sounding more and more like that joke. Still there. They just closed it off. They just topped it off and filled it with concrete. They stopped drilling, but they found a lot of interesting stuff and there's all kinds of speculation as to one, there's like one theory, conspiracy theory, that they got past. In Russia? I don't know where they did it, but they got so deep that some people are saying that they heard like crazy creatures and stuff like that. Predator and alien. Isn't that what happened in Predator versus Alien? No. You're digging that huge hole? Yeah, but it wasn't like that. So this is kind of like along the hollow earth people where they were thinking, yeah, there's layers. How deep is it and did you pull it up? 12.3 kilometers deep. So here's a graphic kind of showing the difference. Yeah, look at that. Okay. Compared to Mount Everest, Mariana Trench. So it's still speculated that it's like the molten lava core, right? Like this is all like in terms of the crust and like what kind of soil and everything is like underneath us. Like it's still like that's as deep as we've ever drilled. That's the deepest we've ever gone. I don't think they cracked through the crust. That's the thing. That's why it's still kind of like you get conspiracy theorists that will add their own ideas in there because it's like not necessarily confirmed. It's called the Kola super deep borehole. Is there nothing? Is there no? They dubbed it the entrance to hell. Wow. Is there, there's no concern. You guys is part of us just digging a hole till we can't stop anymore. There's no concern. I'm a little concerned. It is a little. I mean, you ever seen how a wiffle ball fly or a wiffle ball flies through the air when you, when you throw it, you save you a big ass hole in the earth like that. I feel like it throw off with the trajectory. Yeah. Like you're not going through it. It throws us out of orbit. Yeah. And that goes through the hole. I do like. We're like wanting you all the same. Do you know what's happening? That's what you mean? Yeah. No, bro. There's no air in space, bro. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it can't be a good idea. Hey, that's, hey, you know what? No, I just think the demons will come out. Yeah. Or is a bunch of like all sorts of. Yeah. We unleash some kind of crazy creature. Hey, you know what's funny about this? Is that like adult like men, especially scientists, they're basically just kids that are just smart and that have like funds. Like we got big shovels, you guys. Yeah, dude, because when I was a kid, every boy, anybody's listening right, every boy at one point tried to dig the deepest hole. Dig China. Yeah. Tell me that wasn't a thing. Yeah. We all wanted to dig China when we were younger. I tried to dig a deep ass hole. You stop once you get tired. Yeah. All right, I'm over it. But it was, it was, let's see, 40,000 feet deep into the crust. Wow, dude. The diameter is no wider than a dinner plate. That's because they. And you said that didn't even go past the crust. Then the top layer of the earth. So how much does a project like this cost? And what did we get out of it? Well, so like how many man hours? How many fucking shovels? We're just burning money in that hole. See what he's talking about? Hold on, shovels. That is a shovel. Just fucking it. He's got a bunch of dudes with shovels. No, he's real, bro. I mean, to build a drill bit that deep, you know what I'm saying? Why? Yeah. Like what do you get? Are you mining resources? Right. You're just digging a hole? They're just trying to see what's going on. That's what I'm saying. How much? You get samples to see. Give me the, there's got to be a price on this. There's got to be a name of this project. Figure out the cost of this project. I don't know. I mean, we're over here, printing money and just fucking inflation. Do people go in the hole? Do you know what the temperatures got to at the bottom of the hole? Oh, interesting. What's that? 356 degrees Fahrenheit. Oh, shit, really? Yeah. Drastically higher than their models predicted. So that's one of the reasons why they had to... Stop. They had to stop. Yeah, they partially filled it with concrete, put a steel thing on top of it. And they got apparently some invaluable insights into the geology of the earth. So surprisingly, oh yeah, this was cool. Deep rocks were found to be saturated with water, which was assumed to be impossible because the rocks were sealed beneath a layer of impermeable rock. They also discovered 14 species of fossilized microorganisms, not to mention deposits of gold, copper, and nickel. And then one urban legend is that the drill broke through a layer of rock and discovered a super hot cavern. Scientists went down and took, you know, to like listen to what was going on with the microphone, and they heard hellish hells and tormented screams. What? What? That's, it's an urban legend. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Jesus. You're going to believe that? We don't think dinosaurs are real. Oh my God, dude. Yeah. Stop saying that I don't think dinosaurs are real, because I don't believe in that. Who was it? No, because what's... Just because I question them, bro. Yeah, yeah. The whole earth people, they think that it's like, not an earth's core. It's like it's another sun. Like it's another sun within the core of the earth. That's an actual theory. Yeah, it's a theory. I mean, that's, isn't that kind of a legitimate theory if they got only that deep and they already got to 350 degrees? No? What? Did you just say that it was... Yes, but the way... Well, it's like molten, I mean... But the way gravity works, the... Compressed molten lava. Yeah, the densest materials will go to the center. Yeah. Is the, is the theory. And that's probably, you know, that's probably... Probably would, yeah. Most likely. I can't wait till you're out of this area. His head's, his head's turning red. I don't know. I think you just... Carbon dating, dude. Actually, we really need to go down here. Actually, to help they to... Hey, don't give me on that carbon dating bullshit. Don't even give me starting on that. Hey, to, to support you though. Yeah, we got it within a couple million years. Real accurate. Yeah, shut up. To support you though, this guy took hippopotamus skeleton and said, if archaeologists found this, this is what they think it would look like. And it looks way different than what a hippo looks like. Oh yeah. Because a hippo's like this chubby animal. Dude, these are all artistic renderings. Yeah. So that's the thing. And that's why all of a sudden they have like feathers now. And so, again, it's... They don't know exactly unless it's like a mammoth where you actually get a frozen specimen and you're like, oh, this is what they look like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up for interpretation. Yes, yes. I'm going to change direction. Yeah, I got to shift gears. We have to get over to our butcher box today. I don't know if I... That's what I was going to ask you about. Oh, so I don't... Do you guys see I did ribs the other day? Yeah. So I got the smoker out before Easter because I had the brisket I was going to do. So I did some ribs. This is the... I want to say the fifth time now. Since we have partnered with ButcherBox that I didn't have my butcher box ribs and I had to go to Costco or Safeway and get their ribs. And I'd say that I like to think that I'm pretty good at smoking ribs and have done it enough times that I've got it down. And I mean, the family liked the ribs right there. Oh, these are great. This is not... But me knowing what the ribs from ButcherBox taste, it is not even... Are they pork or beef? They're pork. It's the heritage pork. Oh, yeah. I would never compare beef ribs to pork ribs. They were baby back pork ribs. It's heritage pork. I swear to God. The pork chops, I don't like pork, but the one from ButcherBox... He has a distinctive flavor. It's heritage. It's called heritage pork. You can read up on it. It tastes amazing. It melts in your mouth. It's different. It's so... I mean, these ribs were good ribs. Everybody was like, oh my God, these are so good. And I'm like, no, they're not. If you have not had the ButcherBox ones, like it is a huge difference. Yeah. On my rib scale, I would have given the ones I just did like a seven and a half. And when I do the ButcherBox ribs, I can make those things 10s. So those come out and it's like fall off the bone, melt in your mouth. It's not even the same. And I just can't... I can't figure out how to get any other ribs to taste close to that. I want to find heritage pork somewhere else just to confirm that if that's what it is. I am not a fan of pork, but when I ate the... Like they make those chops or whatever, I don't know what they're called. They're like the cutlets. Yeah. And we bought them and they're delicious. It's got to be the type of pork. It's called heritage. I don't know a lot about it, but I definitely... Yeah. Didn't you look at how they're fed, right? That's the difference. It's the breed and how they're fed. Oh, it's also the breed is different. Oh, interesting. Okay. So yeah, I would love to track down. Maybe somebody who... I'm sure we have a listener who's probably got a line on like some great pork somewhere. I would love to compare what somebody thinks is like some of the best pork they've ever had and do the ribs and see if I can get them. Because to this day, I still cannot cook any other brand of ribs to the level of the ButcherBox ribs. It's my favorite thing that they have and it's a staple that we keep in all our boxes. All right. So you got one, Justin? Yeah, I got one. So this guy actually makes these incredible signs, made us a mosaic sign of our logo for us. We're going to put it in the Park City place and kind of display it in our gym. Ted... What is it? Ted Munn's mosaic art is his name. So go check him out, support him. It does fantastic. Did you see it? So? I haven't seen it yet. Oh, it's sick. Okay. Oh yeah, it's... Mosaic has like an LED behind it. Yeah, it looks dope. Oh, cool. Yeah. Really cool. Check this out. 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And so I stopped being endurance sports last year, and I went back to lifting because I just missed being strong and lifting heavy. So I lifted in the gym for about five days a week last year, and I finally got my strength gains back. However, I've been missing a lot of CrossFit. So I've been missing the CrossFit classes, the running, the cycling, the swimming that I used to do. And I'd like to be able to train for a couple of half-distance cycles, but I don't want to lose my muscle mass and strength that I've built up this past year again. So I have a nutrition coach, and she's really great at what she does, but I think that she hasn't worked with any endurance athletes before. So I wanted to know if it's possible and what is the best way to maximize my nutrition regimen, and the time that I'm spending lifting in the gym. Okay, well, first off, there's definitely ways you can mitigate some of what's going to happen, but you're going to... It's inevitable. You are going to lose some muscle if you do train for endurance simultaneously with strength training, and especially if you throw in CrossFit classes. So there's going to be a give or take. Now, the ways that you mitigate it, generally speaking, generally speaking, are don't over-train. It's going to be really easy to over-train when you mix CrossFit with endurance training with strength training, okay? So that's going to be really easy to do. So don't over-train. Make sure you hit your protein targets and get good sleep. So that's general, but to be more specific, what's the most important out of all those things you just said? Is it CrossFit classes? Is it the half-distance cycling race, or is it going to be to keep the muscle? Let's rank them in order. Okay, so my number one goal, working with a nutrition coach, is not performance at all. Actually, it's more aesthetic. So I want to lose body fat, but I want to be able to do each of those things at like a mediocre level, if that makes sense. So I'm not trying to be great at any one of those things. I just want to keep them in my life. And I do have these races coming up, which my cycling race is a 45-mile cycle in the mountains. So my goal would be to finish it and finish it at a relatively good pace. Okay, but you need to rank. You need to rank with it. So aesthetics is number one. Aesthetics is number one. Can I tell you a better strategy? Would be to... Since aesthetics is your number one focus, you should eat and train according to that goal. And then when you reach your aesthetic goal, train for whatever the hell you want. Because then that will be much easier. Because if I was training you and you told me that, I would say, okay, I know you love CrossFit. I know you love running. We're going to do that stuff. But since your number one priority is you want to get lean, you want to get ripped, you want to get fit, you want to see abs, whatever it is, is let's do that. I'm going to build your nutrition program and your lifting program based around that goal. Then we're going to hit it. And you're going to high-five me and say, Adam, oh my God, I feel the best I've ever looked. This is amazing. Now I want to go after those other things. Now I'm going to feed your body and train you accordingly to those things. And you're going to look great and you're going to go kick-ass at those things. But trying to do it all at once is not a good strategy. Yeah. It's going to be really hard to manage doing all of that and trying to make aesthetics the number one goal. I mean, if you did all of it together, you would look at like one day a week of endurance training with two days a week of strength training and maybe a CrossFit class thrown in there with good diet. And then you're going to get kind of a little of everything. But if aesthetics is number one, I would focus primarily on that and then wait till you hit that goal. That's a hard enough goal by itself. Like adding other stuff to it is like, oh my gosh, now we're really making things almost impossible. So I mean, I agree with Adam. I think if that's the number one goal, there's nothing wrong with just focusing on that and doing that. And then when you get to your aesthetic goal, then you can play a little bit with the different types of training, engage how much of each you can do based off of what type of aesthetics you have and what you're losing from that type of training. And by the way, on our way, if I was training you towards this aesthetic goal, it doesn't mean that I can't include a little bit of running, cycling, and swimming in there. It's just not going to... I'm not training you for endurance on those sports. It's like, hey, you want to... So you know what? Maintain the skill of it really. Yeah, it'd be like, hey, you know what? I want you to do this week. This week I want you to go for a nice swim. 45 minutes to an hour, do a swim. Oh, next week I'm going to have you do this. I would include these things that you love to do because as a client, I want to make you happy and enjoy that since you've already expressed that. But your bulk of your nutrition and training is going to be focused on getting you the look that you want to obtain. And by training for endurance, for swimming, and cycling, and running, it is going to conflict with my training around aesthetics. But it doesn't mean that I can't include some of that stuff. So you can have some fulfillment because you like... It sounds like you like doing those things. And I could find a way to include it. But to be good at it... Because you're wanting to do it as a sport, right? There's a difference between swimming leisurely or cycling leisurely or for cardio reasons for a little bit versus trying to be good at that thing. There's a totally different... Yeah, it'd be super challenging. I mean, I'm with you on that in terms of those activities, being able to include that. If you were focused on aesthetics and you're working out with those workouts and then in between, you had maybe some of those other things that you're into like swimming, even some of the crossfit work, like some of the exercises in there that require a little bit more skill and practice. If you could do that at a low to moderate intensity and just work on the skill of it, that's going to be very mentally challenging though with somebody that I know is like... They get into those events and those things for that output, that high intensity output of it and the competitiveness of it. But if you were able to do that and be disciplined with it, like it actually would benefit you. Look, Ariel, to give you something specific, because we're giving you some pretty good general advice, but to give you something specific, do you have any of our workout programs? No. No, I didn't want to add one more thing to my plate. But I think... You wouldn't be adding anything. You'd be replacing. So here's what I'm going to do. Okay? If you want to follow a program that's going to give you a little bit of all of this, then I'm going to send you Maps Cardio and you can follow it as it's laid out. And in there, there's a day set aside for you to be able to include your long distance cycling. Now, if you follow Maps Cardio, you're not going to add anything else to it, because that'll screw it up. Don't add CrossFit on top of it and a bunch of other stuff on top of it. Follow it as it's laid out. In the program, we have designated days that you can implement your favorite form of cardiovascular activity. Those are the days you do your long distance cycling. Do that and you'll have the best shot of getting a little bit of everything that you're looking for. Along with working with your nutrition guidance. Okay. Since I do have this race, I've already signed up for it. Would you say just put the aesthetics on the back burner for now and just focus on doing the race? Depends if you're committed to the race, yeah. When is the race again? When is it? It's at the end of July. Yeah, it depends. I mean, is this something you really want to do or can you skip it? Yeah, I really want to do it. Yeah, then you know what? Then Maps Cardio will let you train for that. Follow Maps Cardio in there is a day that you can throw your long distance running and you'll get some good strength training that complements that type of performance that you're looking for. So follow Maps Cardio leading up to it. Okay. Okay. That way you have something specific because what I'm afraid is going to happen is you're going to leave, you're going to take all of our advice, then you're going to try and mishmash your own stuff together, and then it's going to be detrimental. It's a lot of competing signals. Yeah, so Maps Cardio, literally we wrote for people whose main goal is athletic, cardiovascular type of performance. We wrote it for people like you. People like you who love endurance cardio training but then also want to lose muscle. But yeah, they have aesthetic goals too. Yeah, so just follow that program leading up to, in fact, it sounds like about the right amount of time, right? We're in April. Follow that program. That should get you prepared for a decent performance for your event without sacrificing too much of aesthetics. If anything, you may gain some aesthetics. I can get behind that. Okay, thank you. Yeah, you got it. Thanks for calling in. Thanks. Bye-bye. No problem. You know what, so I got to remember when we hear questions like that, it could be frustrating because people just, they don't understand that you training for one thing and then training for another thing. It's not like you can stack them. Yeah. Oftentimes training for one thing means you're sacrificing something else. Like if I train for Max. You pull it away from another thing. Yeah, if I train for Max strength, I'm not going to have Max stamina. If I train for Max stamina, I'm not going to have Max strength. If I train for Max mobility, I'm not going to have, so there's always a give and take. And this is why you, if you look at the perfect type of program for someone lifelong, they cycle through different things. But it's, but to us, it's like somebody, imagine if someone went to the average person and say, hey, look, check this out. Look, I'm getting married next week. I'm devoted to my wife, but I love going to script clubs with my buddies and going out with other chicks. How can I do both? You're like, you can't. What are the other? Yeah, I still really love that visual of these avatars for like, for video games where it's like you're pouring in your, your energy, your power, and then you have to disperse it amongst all those skills. That's right. And it's like, you don't get to, you know, just stack all these like, skills that are completely different. You know, you're going to be more powerful in one than the other. And so you just have to look at it as like, what you're going to be sacrificing versus what you're going to be, you know, completely. You know what, you know what the problem is too with this is that there are those crazy anomalies in the performance world. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're Bo Jackson. Like there's a top of the top in their sport, which we think for some reason that, you know, nothing like these people because they're such anomalies and they are crazy at everything and they are ripped and they are muscular. And you think, well, I can definitely do that. Yeah, I want that. That is the, that is literally the 0.0001% of people in the world. And it's not because of their training. It's because of their genetics. The training plays a role, but it's their genetics. So for everybody else listening, the 99.999%, if you have, you have competing goals, you know, oftentimes it's better to train for one and then another and then another versus all at the same time. You often over train or you get none of what you're looking for. Well, I think when you, when you start to throw in aesthetics in that mix, it becomes incredibly difficult. The aesthetics by itself is the hardest of all of them. Yeah. Okay. Maybe the other ones are more physically demanding, but as far as understanding caloric balance and stress and frequency, intensity, volume, there's so many... Eating is such a higher priority in aesthetics. Understanding how to balance all that out, to get the, to manipulate the body, to give you this look that you want is unbelievably difficult. So my suggestion for someone like this, and here's, by the way, too, there's some asshole coach that's listening to this that will probably talk to her and be like, I can do that for you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, just let me hold you. Yeah, let me show you, right? So it's like... $3 a month. And it doesn't mean it's not possible to get some of that stuff, but a much better approach to this would be, listen, you already told me that your number one goal is you want to achieve this look. So let's learn everything you need to learn about caloric balance and protein and macro stuff and strength training and let's sculpt the body you want, because that's fucking hard as shit by itself. Now that I've got you to understand that and you're where you want to be, now we can just feed the body correctly, giving it enough nutrients and calories to support this endurance training we're doing. And it's inevitable, you're going to lose a little bit of muscle, but because you sculpted and built the body you want, before you go into that sport training, you're going to look the best you could have while training. While doing that. Yeah, while doing that. Good point. Yeah, so I just think that is the order of operation for somebody that says that, that they want this look. And I feel like that's your point about how we have these anomalies, like everybody has seen that runner or that swimmer, they're like, God, I wish I had that body. Yeah, it looked like a bodybuilder too. Yeah, they had this great physique. It's like, oh man, that's so, that's so not attainable for the average person. That person just is a genetic freak. They look amazing. And then they happen to be great at that sport too. Her next caller is Andy from Pennsylvania. What's up, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, how are you? Good. Thank you so much for taking this time here to, to answer my questions here. I've actually spoken with Adam a couple of times through the NCI coaching. So, your business advice has been great. I've been focusing a lot on teaching, more so than just trying to bring in clients. So it's been going well. So thank you. Right on, man. All right. So I'm going to just, I'll just read my question here. So thank you so much. I'm a coach and a trainer and you guys have made me so much better, not just from like the programs that you create, but from all the perspectives that you take in terms of like trying to understand, you know, what clients are going through as well. And I really have learned a lot from that. And I need your guidance because I'm one of those trainers who I can take care of everybody but myself. So I'm struggling to lose weight right now. I want to lean out. I just can't seem to do it. I feel like something's missing. So here's a little summary. I work out and train five days a week. I usually do one day where I'll do like a, like a metabolic conditioning type of workout. Then I'll do a day where I focus on a big lift, the bench press day, a deadlift day, a squat day, an overhead press day. At the end of those workouts, I'll do like a little mini circuit where I kind of focus on work. Just get the heart rate up, kind of get a sweat going. Always a full body type circuit. Currently, I'm at 238 pounds. My goal is to get down to 190. I focus on protein and water. I take creatine, vitamin D3 and B12 probiotic. I am working with the dietitian and I am doing intermittent fasting. So I'm not sure if my training is wrong. If my diet is not matching my workouts or my workouts aren't matching my diet. Am I overstressed? By and by is I'm lost and frustrated and I need someone to ask me the questions that I'm not asking myself. So I appreciate your help. Okay, I have an idea, but before I get there, how many calories are you, what's your maintenance? Are you tracking? How many calories are you consuming? What's your maintenance at? I am tracking my maintenance right now is about 2,500. A little more, a little less, depending on the day. Okay. And what are you eating every day? What do you mean by eating? How many calories? How many calories? Yeah, are you in a deficit? Yeah. Oh, I'm at maintenance right now. I'm just taking my maintenance. Okay. So I don't think the problem is any of the stuff that you listed, I think you might be overthinking this. It's, this is all diet. I don't think it's your workout. I think your workout could be better, but I don't think that's what's going to make this needle move that much now. It's not horrible. Yeah, I would, I mean, Maths and Abolic would be a good program for you. I would try to get your metabolism to speed up a little bit before cutting, but this sounds to me a lot like your struggle really has more to do with your relationship to food than anything else. I think this is a diet issue. And just from what you're saying to me, how you're frustrated, you just can't get it to seem to work for you. You do better with your clients than you do for yourself. These are all the things that I hear from people who they have the struggle that they challenge, that they're challenged with themselves. And it's really the relationship to food. So I would guess you probably do really well most of the time. And then when you go off, you go way off with diet and that's kind of what screws you up. Am I hitting the nail on the head? You absolutely are. Yeah. So this is a behavioral thing, Andy. This is not a, because you're a trainer and you're working with other people, your tendency is you're trying to reflect that on yourself and get into the details of what's going on, am I overstressed? Is this what's, but this is actually a pretty simple thing. You're just consuming too much more than you're burning, obviously. Now let's dig a little deeper. We got to look at the behavioral reasons as to why this is happening. Are you coming from a place of self-hate? Are you using food as a way to distract or self-medicate? What type of relationship do you have with that food? What does it feel like when the impulse comes to overeat? What's happening with you when that starts to happen? And this is going to be a slow, unwinding process. Now, if we're talking about like steps to take, this is not going to be huge steps. These are going to be very, very small steps. Then you're going to take one at a time. So it may look like this. You may be like, okay, I noticed that when I go off, like when I go real off, these are the feelings that I have when that happens. It tends to happen when I'm overstressed or tired or whatever. Okay. Now what I'm going to do when those feelings arise, first off, I'm going to try and identify them. And when I do, I want you to find a way to create a barrier between you and the impulse of eating. So fill in the blank. It could be, I'm going to write for 30 minutes about what I'm feeling. After that, then I'll eat whatever I want. Or I'm going to go for an hour walk and just really think about how I feel. And then after that, I'll eat whatever I want or whatever. All you're not saying you're not going to engage in the behavior that you normally engage in, but you're going to create a barrier between you and that impulse. This is going to be very uncomfortable, but it's going to allow you to interrupt that impulse that's causing you to go off when you go off. And then afterwards feel the shame. And then afterwards become super strict because the shame motivates you and then gets sick of the shame. And then the shame becomes overwhelming. And then now I'm going to feed myself and numb these feelings type of deal, which is a very common cycle. But you have to interrupt that process with some kind of barrier between you and that behavior. I do recommend you working with somebody who will work specifically with this with you. So one thing you can do, Andy, I don't know if your dietitian will do this for you or if they're just about giving you foods and calories to follow. If they're that kind of dietitian where they're just like, here's what you're going to eat. You're working with NCI, right? I am, yeah. Okay. NCI, in my opinion, has some of the best coaches and trainers in this regard. I would reach out to some of your peers in the space and say, hey, and be very vulnerable. Hey, here's a deal. I have this trouble and challenge. Can I hire you? Can I work with you to work with me on this specifically? Because I don't think, and I'm giving you advice right now, but it's going to be really hard to do without that person that you can reach out to and work with on a consistent, because you're going to stumble. Okay, I'm going to tell you, you're going to stumble if you attempt to do this. But having that coach is going to make all the difference in the world. Now the beauty of this is on the other end of this Andy is a coach, you, I'm talking about you, that is going to be exceptional, exceptional at working with people like yourself, which is almost everybody, which is most people. So at the, on the other end of this, when you make it through this and you really start to figure this out for yourself in that process, number one, it's going to create great content because you're going to be able to put it out there, communicate vulnerability, and honestly, you're going to be able to coach people better and you're going to be super effective at what you do. But I do recommend you work with somebody through this, through this period. I have two questions. One, do you know how many steps you're taking today? Yes. So I'm around. I'm not, I'm not taking a lot of steps. That's definitely one of those things that I have to take an into consideration. It's between five and seven thousand a day. Okay. That's not horrible though, either, bro. That's not too bad. I've seen a lot worse than that. Should the average Americans like 3500. So I take less than that right now. Yeah. Yeah. So that's not, that's not horrible. I just, because I was kind of figuring out like how far off you are from like a healthier maintenance level, like for your size, I'd like you to be closer to 3000, 3200 or something like that as a maintenance than, than 2500. But if you're not moving hardly at all, that's not necessarily too far off. So you're not that bad of a decision is metabolically, I think with a focus on like Sal said, with anabolic and adding, adding to build some muscle, I think you, you can see an increase in your metabolism. The second question I had is why intermittent fasting? So, so that was when I started working with the dietitian. So I last year when I got a physical done, I had a higher cholesterol and my doctor recommended through his practice working with the dietitian and I connected with her. And I think she's great as far as what the things that Sal that you were saying, I don't know if she does that stuff or not. I've never actually spoken to those things. To her about that, it's been more along the lines of like eating practices, intermittent fasting, lowering the calories, eating better, making better food choices, things like that. Not necessarily the behavioral stuff. Yeah, I don't think I like, I don't like her putting you on it. I'm really curious to why she would do that. I'm not a fan of you intermittent fasting. If you already admitted to Sal that you do really well nutritionally and then you kind of have these off the wagon moments where you can. Intermittent fasting is wrong. And intermittent fasting, I think just it promotes that. It's going to perpetuate that behavior. Yeah. Strengthen it within. I will totally agree with you on that. And I'm not an emotional guy, but this is like throwing me off because you just, you hit it so hard that it's just like shaking me a little bit. And that's exactly what I'm doing is I put so many restrictions on myself and then I'll slip. And then when I do, I just like, I beat the shit out of myself. Yeah, yeah. And I come from, I'm a recovering alcoholic. So those behaviors are there. They're ingrained in me. Yeah. And so now I can fight the addiction type of stuff, but I still have the stuff with the food addiction and the other things there. So it's like. And here's the reason why I was able to hit those buttons with you after talking to you for 30 seconds. It's very common. It's very common. I've worked with a lot of people who've struggled with this and I've had a lot of success, but it's going to be a challenge. If you've already beat alcohol, you're going to be able to do this too. Okay. And the things that helped you beat alcohol are going to be similar to the things that are going to help you with your relationship to food. Now, I got to ask you this before I tell you to not work with this dietician anymore. Was this like, are you on medication? Was this like doctors like, you got to work with this person or was this more like advice? It was more advice. Yeah. No, I'm not on any medication for anything. And I want you to reach out to your group and NCI and find a coach there that can work with this stuff with you because just through the... You know this, you go through the program. You know that there's some good people that are excellent at this kind of stuff. Yeah. And then the other thing is if you have the extra funds in time, another person you could hire that would be profoundly helpful would be a therapist. Just... I am working with the therapists on my... Because I also have some depression and anxiety stuff. Okay. So I'm working on that. I have a therapist there. Oh, wonderful. I would... I want you to include them in this process if you haven't already. And maybe bring to them and say, hey, look, I've identified that I'm abusing food in the ways that... Similar ways to how I used to abuse other substances. I have this relationship with food that's complex. And I want to work on that and then work with your therapist through that. If you work with a therapist and an NCI coach, you're going to have really, really good chances of success. And here's what I'm going to help you... I'm going to help give you the motivation you're going to need, okay? I'm assuming you became a trainer because you have a passion for fitness and you have a passion for helping people. Correct. Okay. Here's what I want you to do right now because I'm going to tell you to love yourself but that's going to go in one ear the out the other. So I want you to do this so that you can be the best coach and trainer for your clients. Okay. Now here's the kicker. The only way to do that is to start caring for yourself the same way you care for them. Okay. Use that as your motivation. I think you'll do okay. Okay. Andy, can I put you in our private form if you're not in there? I want to follow up with you and see how you're doing through this process. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not in the form that would be... That'd be great. All right. Are we going to see you at the event, by the way, in Phoenix? Are you going? I'm not going. Not this year, but hopefully next year. Okay. Next event, I want you to come give us a handshake or a hug. I want to meet you. All right. Absolutely. All right. All right, man. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. We'll put you in the forum. Okay. Do you have MAPSentabolic? I asked you that too or to give that... I do have anabolic. I've ran that a few times. Okay. Okay. Follow that program through this process. I think that'll be the best one for boosting the metabolism through this process. Yeah, I want to hear more about the dietitian that you end up landing on because I don't want you on intermittent fasting. I don't like that idea. I think the NCI coach will be way better. Yeah. Keep us posted, Andy. All right. I'll do that. Absolutely. All right, man. You got it. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, man. I appreciate people like that, right? Yeah, no. I knew I recognized them right away and I'm like, I know I've talked to this guy a lot and it's the NCI group. You know, it's crazy, right? Dietitian, right? So many times, we're not dietitians, right? It's the medical system. They work within the system and they're not taught... It's starting to change, but they're not taught to really work with the root behavioral issue. They're more like, oh, do this attempt. Don't eat this. Eat that. It's like, that's not the issue. It's so crazy to me, though. Like, it seems... I guess maybe it seems so obvious if somebody has a history of abusing a substance. They're struggling with that nutritionally. The idea of you constricting their... You're going to restrict again more. Yeah, restricting their eating window. Terrible. The idea that they're not going... Like, this is an example of where I love like six meals a day is he never allows himself to get really... Much better approach. Yeah, and they're just balanced good meals. He never gets really, really hungry and like... And then it's easier to stay on the wagon. It doesn't feel like on or off. Yeah. Versus like, hey, restrict for 14 hours. Don't eat. And then when you do, make a really good balance choice. It's so much intensity around those meals. Yeah, that's what we don't need. I can almost guarantee you that the dietitian doesn't even know those things because they don't know to ask. That's crazy to me, dude. Okay, think of yourself. If I ever attempted to make a poor food choice at night, it is always the days where I missed a meal or two in between and I was working hard and now I'm hungry and I'm tired and I'm like... Those impulse levels go way up. But if I'm like on my shit every two to three hours, I'm getting a nice little small balanced meal and I never reach that point of like, oh, I need to eat the cravings and that feeling. So, and then you put a person that's already... But you know, I'll tell you though, I mean, it took us years of working with people and failing to figure out what we're communicating now because you gave this guy to me in the first, I don't know, seven years, eight years I was a trainer. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we got to do this, got to do that. You're just thinking calories. Yeah. And it took me a long time of failing clients, a long time before I started to piece some of the stuff together. And it's, look, it's going to be hard. Andy, if you're watching this, it's going to be tough but if you go on this journey one step at a time and try to address the root, which is more painful and more challenging than just watching your calories, okay? But if you focus on that, you'll get there. You'll be on the other end of this. Next caller is Maggie from Colorado. Maggie, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, guys. This is so cool. Thank you guys so much for having me. You got it. So my question is, I'm a high school athlete, track and field. I'm a sprinter and I also just weight trained for fun. And I drink upwards of four gallons of water a day and I'm a relatively small person, five, four, one, 20. Wow, four gallons. And I'm still, yeah. I still have every symptom of dehydration. My urine's dark. I am so thirsty all the time. I crave salt. I am like so thirsty and feel like depleted during my workouts. And I drink the LMNT. I feel like I'm doing everything and I'm still just so dehydrated and I don't quite know what I'm doing. Okay, Maggie, real quick. You're sure about the three to four gallons of water? Yeah, I have one of these and I, yeah, I'm sure it's about three to four gallons. Yeah. Hold on. When's the last time? I'm not going to, I don't want to scare you. Okay. When's the last time you went to your doctor and got a full checkup, got your urine and your blood looked at? Every time I went like two months ago and they said everything was good and they just said that I needed to just keep staying hydrated. But it's like, it's like a nauseating amount of water. Okay. I would go back. Three to four gallons is insane. I would go back. I would go back, say it again, I'm tracking my water. Here's a problem. The problem is your young girl, you're an athlete, you look fit, so they probably think you don't know what you're talking about. So they're probably, yeah, she thinks she's drinking enough water but she's not, no, no. I want you to go to your doctor and you're going to use these words. I was here two months ago. I'm back. I am tracking my water. I am drinking exactly three to four gallons of water a day here are my symptoms and my urine is dark. And I'm taking the element to tell. And say, and I know I'm getting enough sodium, I need you to send me to the right people to do some tests because this could be a wide range of potential things that I'd want you to check before I give you any advice whatsoever. Yeah. Because I'm not going to tell you to drink more. Okay. If you're drinking that much and yeah, so what are your symptoms? Muscle cramps, fatigue, dry sick, what are they? Yeah, I just get, I get really fatigued during my weight training and my sprinting obviously. That's when I usually drink the elementy is when I know I'm going to be sweating a whole bunch. I just feel thirsty all the time. I, like I said, my urine is dark. I crave salt. I eat really clean so I know I don't get a lot of salt in my diet besides salting my food. And I just like crave an insane amount of salt. I can't. Yeah, and muscle cramps especially my legs. Here's two places I'll point to. I want, you know, just, you know, keep these in mind or write these down. Definitely tell your doctor your symptoms. Tell them be very clear and confident. I'm tracking my water because otherwise they're going to, they're going to dismiss you and get your thyroid. I would have them look at your thyroid and I'd have them check your blood sugar. Okay. Those are two places I'll point to, but I'm not a doctor and it could be many potentially other things. It could also be nothing. But if you were my, you know, if you were my client or my daughter, I would 100% be like, we're going to the doctor and we're going to run a bunch of tests. Yeah. Yeah, to figure out what's going on. Cause I don't think this is a, you're not getting enough water and enough salt thing. Of course it's not. No way. Yeah. Yeah. This is too alarming for that. And then, and then please email back in and follow up with this cause I want to know. I want to know this. I've never had a client that could drink three to four gallons in the first place, especially a 120 pound client. That is insane. When I was at the highest level, 240 pound trying to drink and push as much water I could get to three gallons. That was like insane. To do that. Do you notice any muscle? No, it's like. Yeah. Do you notice any muscle weakness? Any random fatigue that kicks in? Anything weird? Oh yeah. Yeah. I tend to, like because I have caffeine before my workouts, I tend to get through them. But I always notice by the end of like, I feel like I've been walking in the desert for three days. I also just get randomly fatigued. My friends think I have some kind of narcolepsy because I will just fall asleep. Like my fatigue is very hard to regulate if that's any indication of anything. If you could go and get checked out like today, I would do that. Yeah. Yeah. And then I want to follow up. Yeah. Don't wait. Go today if you can and have them look. And if they're, if he's like, well, here she's like, where do I say I want to be checked. I want my blood sugar to be checked and I want my thyroid to be looked at. But also list the symptoms tell them what you're drinking and list all the weird stuff that you think might not be connected. You also need to let them know about the element because that's a lot of sodium. They might think she's low sodium because she eats healthy and she's running somewhere. Make sure they know your. They'll check her urine. If your urine is dark too and you're drinking all that, that I make sure you go. Yeah, I would go. I would go like today if you can. She froze. That's okay. You can text her. She got the message. Yeah. Yeah. Make sure you send her that. Bro, I have, I have never had a 120 pound female client that could drink. Three to four. I don't want to scare. Look, we're not. Look, I'm not a doctor either. Okay, but. The thirst thing, the thyroid was definitely. I would look at thyroid. I would look at potential thyroid issues or potential diabetes because one of the signs of where your body starts to really become insulin desensitized is you just get like unquenchable thirst, the random fatigue. Could be something autoimmune that hasn't been diagnosed. I wonder, is there, oh, I didn't ask about her blood pressure either. I would, I mean, dark urine with that much water. I would look at kidneys I would look at liver. But yeah, that's not something that is within the scope of, you know. That's way out of our pay grade figure. Yeah, I know enough to know. I've never seen that. No, I mean, I hope she emails back and gives us feedback because I would love to hear what they would. Just remind, well, in mind was a blood pressure issue, but it was like, it was just so crazy, like the discrepancy of like, you know, potassium and how that drops so quickly with me. And so it's like, you know, there could be something there. Like I had like a tumor that was undiscovered. So, you know, there's just things you need to test when there's an abnormality. Yeah, there's something going on. And so they need to, this is where medical doctors really have tremendous values. Yep. Our next caller is Jacomo from Arkansas. Jacomo, how's it going, man? How can we help you? Good. How are you guys doing? Good, good. I recognize my people from a mile away, especially in a name like that. Hey, my fellow, I was going to say my fellow Paizano, how are you doing? Hey. I'm doing good, man. What's going on? Awesome. Well, before I get into my question real quick, I just want to do the obligatory thank you to all that you guys do. I've been following you guys, starting listening to you guys in college in May of 2019. And you guys have helped me so much not only with my own fitness journey, but with my client's fitness journey. I've been a personal trainer on and off since about 2020 when I graduated college. And yeah, you guys have, like you guys mentioned it before on the show, like the effective communication, like communicating effectively, messages to your clients. Like you guys have truly have helped me with that, not only with my clients, but also with my friends and family. So I really do appreciate all you guys do. Thank you. Right on. Absolutely. So I'm going to jump right into it. So I'm preparing for a professional football combine. On May 27th, this combine will have scouts from not only the NFL, but the Canadian Football League, the USFL and the XFL. I have to perform a series of drills, testing my agility and quickness at the linebacker position. I currently weigh 220 pounds sitting at about 13 to 14 percent body fat. My goal is to add five pounds of muscle while also decreasing body fat to be at a solid 225. Want to look good, of course, but my main thing is performance. It has to be on point for this. I'm starting to track been tracking my food for about two weeks now. My goal is 225 grams of protein and 3500 calories in a day. I've been consistently hitting my protein, sometimes a little bit more, but not my calories. I get anywhere from about 3000 to 3300 a day. Usually I'm about to start working with a track coach about two days a week this week. And I've been lifting consistently three days a week. It's going to be four days this week. Been following this program the last two weeks that one of my friends sent me who's also performing in a similar combine just to help get me stronger. So two questions. I'll read them both and then you guys can both answer them here. First question is I can still can I still see muscle and strength gains if I eat my protein, but not my calories? Why or why not? And then my second question is if I'm over my protein every day but just under my calories, what kind of effect will that have on my performance goal and in preparation for this combine? Oh, yeah. Cool questions. Yeah, really good question. Okay, can you still see muscle and strength gains if the calories are too low but the protein is high? Yes, but unlikely. Especially for him because he's not like a newbie guy. Yeah, I was going to say like somebody who's just getting started you'll start to see some, you know, you can see these type of gains and benefits but someone like you probably not. Now, from a performance standpoint this may be a little different because if your performance is relying on your strength to weight ratio sometimes you can lose weight and lose tot like what's called absolute strength but actually gain relative strength. Right? So let's say my deadlift goes down 30 pounds because I drop a bunch of body fat but now I can do 10 more pull-ups. Well my relative strength in the pull-up went up my absolute strength in the deadlift went down. So this is going to depend on what you're getting tested for what your performance is looking like in regards to that. Now the second part of the question was would the low calories but the protein affect your performance? Well, yeah, you need the calories for energy. Protein can also be used for energy but protein, you know, think of it as like repair and rebuild but if your calories are too low then your body's not going to use the protein to repair and rebuild it's going to use it for energy. So even though your protein's high now your body's burning it for energy because it's not getting enough energy from carbohydrates or fats. And it's not an ideal source it would rather have. And it's not a great source of energy carbohydrates are much better. So calories matter too. So you want to hit those calories as well as the. Yeah, I want to find out you said you're running a program that your friend gave you like what does that entail? What does that look like? What is your week schedule of workouts look like? Okay, so this week has been will be consistent. So it's an upper lower split. I'm doing basic compound movements. Yesterday was a lower, it was a leg day. I mean hang clean squats, RDLs and then today will be upper body. You know, shoulders back a little bit of arms and then another lower body day. So four days a week lifting. I was following a three day week, you know, standard full body routine. So yeah, and then Tuesday, Thursdays I'll be working with the track coach in the afternoon. I'm actually out here in Arizona. Doug sorry. I don't know what Arkansas came from, but I'm not here in Arizona training in the heat. In the heat. So, and then Saturdays I'll be training as well doing the drills because I got an email from the Combine Association of the drills that I'll be performing. And so every Saturday for the next six weeks I'm six weeks out. I'll be performing or be practicing those drills on the weekends there and then so I can like two, like one or two days of rest a week. Wait a minute, Jacomo before you switched to this, you were just doing three days a week of full body? Yeah. So it was more so it was two days. So kind of more background. I played. I just finished up my semi professional football season in the league out here in Arizona in Phoenix. And so we just finished our last game of the season. We lost in the playoffs was on Saturday. So I was really just doing like I was doing a unilateral unilateral program that I've done before and just maintaining my strength. So this is like the first week of me actually like getting after it in the gym with my training just because I was in season still playing. Like I said, my semi professional season. It feels to me the like you're you're going to you're adding too much all at once with your new routine because you're going from full body workouts in season and then you're going to jump to four days a week strength training plus two days a week and track skill and then track add on top of that. You're going to probably burn yourself out especially after coming out of season. Yeah, I'd probably keep the three day a week would have been better or the two even. I would probably keep what you're doing. Yeah, I go two days plus the other two days you're going to do in the track and that probably be good. What do you guys think? Yeah. Yeah, I mean that and like so what's your desired outcome? You said you wanted to gain like five pounds of muscle before this. Like how focused are you on performing at your highest ability for this combine? I'm giving my all into this 150 percent. I've been wanting to play purple ball since I was a kid. I just never kind of just decided to do it now. I have nothing to lose. And so yeah, I'm going to give it my all and like obviously want to be at the ideal weight for my height and my like for my height and weight. And so 225 seems like the solid amount just from what I've been researching myself and what people have been telling you. Okay. Yeah. Just because I personally I know that there was a sweet spot for me in terms of being lean and being able to move as explosively as possible. And do you know like it's a 225 that's like a range that you've you've performed in at a high level before. Yeah. Well, yeah. So this is yeah. Buddha is about 225 at the start of the season. I hovered around 215-220 during the season here in the winter and going into spring in my previous season. And so but especially it being you know professional football I definitely want to make sure like my strength is there but also want to make sure that I'm also moving well and performing well right at the same time. I guess I guess my challenge is that I know a lot of these combines it's it's very heavy on speed. So less so on strength and less so on you know your size. That's something that they can build and develop while you're on the team. Like for me personally I would lean out and try and get as fast as possible and explosive as humanly possible. So relative strength. Yeah. And that benefits relative strength like salsa. You may not have your best bench ever or your best deadlift ever but for your strength to weight ratio I think that and I agree with what little experience and knowledge I have preparing somebody for something like this is that you know if we put too much focus and emphasis on trying to get you bigger and stronger it could I mean it could affect your 40 it could affect the explosiveness your ability to rotate and take off. You don't have that much time I guess in the frame it's like May 27th right so I'm just trying to think yeah yeah logistics with that like you know I'd be as focused as possible with your speed you know your speed power and and really bumping that up with your explosivity and then get a little leaner and so you're nice you're moving real quick out there you would be surprised to coming out of season because you're playing games you're already lifting two or three days a week you'd be surprised that you'll probably gain some muscle by doing less than versus doing more to you said Tuesday okay so you were saying four days a week lifting and then you said Tuesday and Thursday you were doing what were you doing on those two days those days I'm working with the track coach for about an hour and a half I yeah I was last week I had my first session with him it was about an hour and a half two hour session almost so two days a week it's on the track an hour and a half to two and then Saturdays what was Saturdays Saturdays is I'm working specifically on the combine drills so that's like the position work itself bro I'm gonna give you one day a week of strength training to add to that that's it one two max and that'll that'll because you're gonna you're gonna overdo it yeah everything you're doing that you're trying to you're gonna overdo it and I know why you're excited and you're like I want to throw everything yeah let's get it all done but I mean two one and a half hour to two hour days on the track outside in the heat at your size that's a lot the one and then you're doing the one day a week of the the combine drill which is a lot yeah explosive I mean one day a week of lifting is what I would probably do especially coming out of season and it would be a basic compound lift day where I'm doing like four or five exercises five by five nothing to failure just focusing on technique form and getting you know trying to get stronger and that's where I would start yeah you can always add more but that's where I would start yeah I hear what you guys are saying I'm definitely one to like I love the gym and I've you know been lifting since that so I'm I'll be 28 actually in a week and I've been lifting since I was 14 and I love I've grown a passion for obviously training and like I love being in the gym I love it but I'm not like once I know when I'm over training and I know when I'm like under training at the same time it just feels like obviously been in season I just feel like I'm an under training and like I want to gain strength and like it felt good to get after in the gym yesterday and like my body feels it feels relatively good coming out of season this last game but I hear what you guys are saying and so I definitely obviously I'm going to listen to you guys because I believe and trust you guys 100% and so yeah I think I think that sounds good two days a week because actually we'll probably be we'll definitely be perfect cool very cool yeah and then and then if you want to do extra stuff do you have maps prime pros do you have our mobility stuff so I do not however Adam don't freak out I've been following I've followed the maps prime pro and prime webinar okay all right you get a pass you get a pass I'm going to send you prime pro so you'll have some mobility stuff you can do if you want to just do more stuff yeah yeah that'll be that'll be perfect I've definitely even with the prime pro webinar I'll refer back to it with not only myself for even show my clients send it to them if they need some extra stuff but I prime with that before every lift I do the combat stretch in 90 90 all that fun stuff so awesome I really do I really do appreciate it guys you guys rock yeah and then if you want to if you want to pick us up at the airport we'll be there in about five six hours yeah then we're coming we're coming out hey I got hey no for real I got you guys Adam wants to race to pick you up I yeah I Adam I saw your Instagram story actually earlier before I hopped on so you guys are going to be feedings for a couple days seeing Jason it's hot bring your sunscreen yeah that's all all I brought I'll be lathered up booty booty shorts and tank tops that's all I brought so we're good to go yeah man absolutely hey appreciate you guys honestly keep doing what you do hey best of luck hey do you keep us posted please keep us posted on how the training is going and so I'd love to hear how it goes yeah 100% we'll do just through the email here yeah yeah yeah that'll be the best way they'll make sure it gets to us sounds great yeah we'll do guys thanks again you got it man thank you yeah that was a lot it was adding up all the stuff he was doing yeah at the justice point this is such a short notice that you don't want to try and make those huge moves so what are you looking at in the in the because I heard your comment bird cut the 40 it is a shuttle run it's all running it's all there's a bit expressive yeah yeah but that doesn't weigh that much no again like yeah the coaches aren't looking for that because if you look at it from a coaching perspective like what can you build in the off season with your athlete that's what you can't build is speed that's right and like reactive like being quick like yeah no and speed is what wins games like these athletes don't understand like if you just get faster and like more explosive everything else you can build within the 100% bro if he if he he did is obviously did his research and saw that probably the you know average best in a fell guy at his positions 225 or whatever it's like the if they see him they rather see him at 210 and fucking blow everyone out the door speed wise and because they know first to the ball because they'll know like oh but this guy's about 10 pounds under way we can put it we can bulk him up in the off season and put some weight on him if he's got natural speed that makes sense yeah totally so I agree with you especially with this short of notice too like we would we're more likely to fuck him up by trying to add a bunch of strength and weight to him it's going to slow him down yeah yeah check it out if you like the show head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides we have free guides that can help you with a lot of health and fitness goals you can also find all of us on Instagram so Justin is at Mind Pump Justin I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam today we're going to teach you everything you need to know to build a strong well-developed chest when I think of weak points and in areas that I struggled with developing for a really long time chest was up there with the yeah it was for me it was for me for sure I got more caught up in the weight I could lift versus how I was developing my body I think it's one of the most challenging muscles to develop for most people because the form and technique