 Welcome to our ruling coverage of the war here in Israel. Time to cool Zadik alive in Tel Aviv. It's been 19 days since Hamas launched a full-scale attack on Israel. And Israel has yet to begin their highly anticipated ground incursion. Now, three terror group leaders are preparing for Israel's attack, holding a meeting in Beirut. Hezbollah Chief Hassan Nasrullah sits down with Hamas's political bureau deputy Henn, Saleh al-Aroori, and Ziyad Nahlah from Palestinian Islamic jihad. Nasrullah makes his first public statement since the war began. Now as the Iranian back terrorists discuss how to proceed, the United States is preparing for this type of regional escalation, sending a fighter squadron to the Middle East with F-16 fighter jets. All of this as political leaders go head to head at the UN Security Council. After Security General Antonio Guterres suggested Hamas's brutal attack on Israel was in response to Israel's continued control of Palestinian territories. Quite a lot to unpack, but we want to begin in Israel's northern border where our I-24 News correspondent Robert Swift is standing by. Robert, we're hearing reports IDF striking anti-tank missile cells near the Lebanon border. What's the latest on the ground up there? Yeah, so that took place about two hours ago. It was in the Mount Dov area, which is the far eastern end of Israel's northern border around the mountainous territory there. That's understood to be the fifth Hezbollah team that has been attacked by the IDF in about the last 24 hours. Now that is the only major security event that's taken place here to date along the border. There has been sporadic gunshots we've been hearing, but that's the one big one. But I should stress the fact that while it has been quiet so far in the morning, that by no means says it will continue. Yesterday started off relatively quiet and escalated to a series of quite large security incidents, including rocket fire from inside Syria into the Golan Heights, which resulted in the Israeli military using jets to bomb targets inside Syria overnight, that resulting in eight Syrian soldiers being killed. So although it is relatively quiet here, you know, tensions do continue, and there are skirmishes taking place for many days now, and they could escalate again at any time. Certainly the feeling that anything could erupted at any moment there, especially now as we have these images also of a meeting between Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian and Islamic Jihad, all of those leaders coming together discussing the next steps to achieve a possible victory against Israel. So by having this meter of all of these top leaders up in Beirut in Lebanon, does that indicate that Hezbollah is likely going to get more involved? It doesn't, it doesn't. It's hard to say because obviously Hezbollah are publishing these messages. They want to send this message. So you have to weigh out which do you think is more significant to them, to send this signal publicly or to conduct a coordination, and they could be doing both things at once. Whether or not Hezbollah, it will be about to escalate its presence here. I think that actions will speak to that louder than any words coming from Hezbollah. If Israel sees a spike in the number of attacks taking place, if it sees troop movements over the border, then that, to be honest, would be a much stronger indication than any words that Hezbollah has to say, because there is the belief that, you know, much of Hezbollah's actions here, they may simply just be gestures. They may be attacking Israel in order to demonstrate their support for Hamas' cause down in the south of the country. Whether or not Hezbollah wants to join the fight proper and then suffer the consequences of that, the huge military response that Israel would unleash upon it, that is another question. I mean, no, it's not necessarily Lebanon making these decisions. It's Iran using their proxies. As far as residents up in the area is very volatile situation, what are the recommendations so the IDF is giving those residents near the border? So within five kilometers of the border, residents have been told essentially to evacuate to get out. But, you know, there are, there's still plenty of people around. The, some of the villages are very quiet. The closer you go to the border, the more that is true. You can see here and there, there are people, some people don't want to leave. Some people, you know, simply they maybe can't leave, whether that's for financial reasons or personal reasons. But the villages are very much quiet when you're right on the border. One village we drove around. It took us a few minutes before we spotted anybody there. The community was that close down with just one business open. That being said, you know, there are still people moving around in parts. Our correspondent Robert Swift up near the Lebanon border with Israel. Thank you for your coverage up there. And moving from northern Israel to southern Israel, our correspondent Jonathan Regev is right now near the Gaza border. Jonathan, as we speak, even earlier throughout the morning, more sirens, more rockets, targeting Israel. But that's not the only action. Also, just yesterday, reports of more terrorists trying to infiltrate into southern Israel near Zikim Beach as well. That is correct. And I was last night in the city of Askelon, on the beach of the city of Askelon, five miles or so from Zikim. And the notion that we were getting from the scenes there and from what we were hearing is that there's a very large incident going on in Zikim. So many flares up in the air. A word was that up to 10 terrorists may have infiltrated from the sea. Now the IDF is confirming that two terrorists were killed. What else happened there? I do not know. We do not have more information. We do know the official information is that two terrorists were killed. The talk yesterday was possibly eight or nine or even 10 terrorists killed. Where are the others? Were they caught? Did they go back to Gaza? I do not know that. So that is one concerning issue. If there really were many terrorists, as were said initially by the IDF, where are the rest? The other preoccupying notion here is the fact that Hamas still has the ability to carry out such attacks. We heard that the terrorists came into the sea from a tunnel, meaning there's a tunnel dug into the sea. And that is why those terrorists were not detected going into the sea, because they do it from far inland. And I understand you're seeing the images on your screens. Therefore, these are the events in Zikim Beach last night. Quite a preoccupying scene. And also another question arising. The IDF is constantly pounding the Gaza Strip. Why is it not pounding the coastal area? Yes, there are lots of strikes in Gaza City, in Hanyunas, for example. But it seems as if the coastal part is perhaps spared. Bomb that as well. If this is where the terrorists come from, from the area, bomb that as well. Make sure they don't come from. Having said all this, we don't have all the information. Maybe there are other things we do not know. The only official confirmation we have so far is that two terrorists were killed. This is opposed to the numbers eight, nine, maybe even 10 terrorists that were circulating yesterday. Those images on the screen as you're talking, Jonathan, show the terrorists swimming through the ocean. Truly remarkable footage as they're targeting them as well. So I think that adds just so much to it. I think you bring up just the best point though, Jonathan, the fact that the IDF continues to talk about the number of targets they are hitting, the number of tunnels they are hitting. But we continue to learn more about this web of underground tunnels that Hamas continues to operate from and hide it. Yes, and we heard that in the testimony of the hostage that was released yesterday saying that they were walking in what seemed like a spider web of tunnels inside the Gaza Strip. That specific woman was kidnapped from near Oz in the southern part of the Gaza border. Then therefore we can assume that these tunnels she's speaking about are in the area of Hanyunas. But also in Gaza City and many other places there's a very wide web of tunnels inside Gaza. And these tunnels are used first to hide the hostages. And second, and especially under sensitive sites such as Shifa Hospital, for example. This is where the Hamas leadership is hiding. If Israel wants to eradicate Hamas altogether, as was promised by the prime minister, by the defense minister, Israel will have to physically Israeli forces would have to physically get into the hospital with all the meanings that such an action would have and go into tunnels that are built underneath probably with very strong defenses. And it's quite a sensitive and complicated issue. Jonathan Regev reporting from our southern border. Thank you as we continue to unpack the latest developments. Everyone keeping an eye on the south there. I want to bring in my guest now in studio. I'm joined by Avi Melamed, founder of Inside the Middle East Institute and Middle East expert. Thank you so much for joining me. Avi, I want to follow up on something that Jonathan just said, the importance of if we are going to completely eradicate, eliminate Hamas, we're going to have to target their tunnels, which we know are using human shield, specifically those of the hospital. The international repercussions of something like this is going to be exponential. Yes, definitely. And I would add something else into that. We have to take into consideration that Hamas is deliberately trapping those tunnels and particularly under those facilities, including the hospitals. We have to take into consideration the possibility that Hamas will deliberately detonate those places exactly for that same reason that you just mentioned right now. And then by doing that, would we see, do you think a similar situation of Hamas then trying to point the finger and the blame on Israel? I think the international perspective as we continue to look into this is definitely putting a fog at least on the international media. We saw it even with the United Nations Security Council and what Antonio Guterres had to say. But I want to focus actually quickly on something that the idea of spokesperson, Daniel Higari said earlier today, speaking about how Iran is continuing to support Hamas and that they supported Hamas since the onsite of this war. Iran is supporting Hamas for the last 40 years. And this goes against what Iran said, that they had no hand in this attack. The Iranian regime, of course, is a brutal, murderous regime. He butchered his own people. If somebody wants to believe that regime, this is welcome to do that. We all know what's the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime is advancing a very dangerous, vicious master plan to become the superpower in the Middle East. And among that master plan is the all plan to eliminate the state of Israel. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are very significant component in the Iranian master plan because they enable the Iranian master plan, the Iranian regime, to continue and to fuel the flames of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because this is one of the major tickets that the Iranian regime is playing, marketing itself to the Arab world, saying, we, the Iranian regime, we will free Laploy Palestine. They couldn't care less about Palestinians. But as long as there is continuation of the fight between Israel and Gaza Strip and Hamas and Islamic Jihad are serving that purpose, that serves the Iranian regime, that serves their interest. And we just saw how the Iranian regime is coordinating, orchestrating the attacks on different directions of its proxies. We saw it in Yemen. We saw it in Syria. We saw it in Iraq. We see it in Gaza Strip and we saw it in Lebanon. The Iranian regime master plan presents a serious threat to the state of Israel, a serious threat to the region and a serious threat to the world. And we continue to see these different Iranian proxies come together just today, a new picture released of Hezbollah Chief Hamas and the Palestinian and Islamic Jihad. Now Hassan Nasrallah also releasing his first statement since the start of this war 19 days ago. It's pretty significant that he waited so long to even come out with a public statement. I'll tell you what I think happened in this meeting. Ziyad Nakhail, the leader of Islamic Jihad and Salah al-Aroor, the leader, one of the major leader of Hamas went to this room and they have a desire actually to make sure that Hezbollah is going to join the war. Basically, they said it in a polite manner, hoping that Nasrallah will say, yes, we are going to join the war. I'm not so sure that Nasrallah gives such a decisive answer. I think that Nasrallah gave some sort of like an evasive answer because it goes back, Nicole, to something that we spoke about a couple of days ago. And that is the Iranian regime regarding the question, dilemma regarding the question, am I going to order Hezbollah to enter the war? And then jeopardize not only the downfall of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which will be a major blow to the Iranian regime, but also jeopardize my most significant proxy. This is the Hezbollah in Lebanon. Or am I going to let go and basically give up my base in Gaza Strip? There is another significant component in this meeting, which we have to understand. One of the things that the Iranians, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Nasrallah, and others are basically marketing to the Arab world is the concept that is called unifying the arenas. In other words, what they say all the time was once there will be a war against Gaza Strip, all the proxies will come together. Hezbollah and the Iranian-backed Iraqi Shiite militia and so to support to save Gaza Strip. There is already by now. And for a long period of time, there are voices within Hamas and Islamic Jihad who are basically questioning Nasrallah. Where are you exactly? We are waiting for you to come in to join this war. If they, in the end of the day, Hezbollah is not going to enter the war. And if in the end of the day, as it should happen, Hamas is no longer ruling Gaza Strip. Hamas is taken out of the equation. That will be a double major blow to the Iranian regime and the Hezbollah, because they will lose one of the most strategic cards, which is Gaza Strip, and they will lose the remain of their credibility in the Arab world. And particularly within the Palestinians themselves, because right now the Palestinians are furious with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. They are saying to them, you inflicted catastrophe of the people of Gaza in the service of the Iranians and Nasrallah. And in the moment of truth, they fail to show up. If that's going to be the scenario, if Hezbollah is staying out in the end of the day, if Hamas and Islamic Jihad are demolished, destructed by Israel and they are no longer playing any significant role as a regional player, as a one that could impact the trajectory of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, that will be yet another nail in Hamas' political coffin. I want to talk now also, we're hearing new reports out of Qatar, Qatar claiming that they're having a breakthrough possibly with the hostage negotiations. The hostage situation remains one of the most difficult, complicated and critical points of this. But negotiating with Qatar, it also poses a very difficult threat and it poses a very difficult question as to the credibility of even working with Qatar in the first place. Well, we know the Qatari game. The Qataris are playing the game all directions, they are changing their position according to their needs and their political interests. This is part of the legitimate, let's call it real, politic game. We all know that we are all familiar. But here is something that I think is important to understand in the context of the hostages that Hamas is holding. Hamas is now applying a tactic, a combined tactic that has two major components. One is playing the card of the hostages as a bargaining chip and the second thing here is hoping that the scenery is coming from Gaza Strip, resulting in this international reaction to the situation in Gaza Strip. That together will create a situation where Hamas will be able to prolong more and more and more the time Israel will move on to the next swift decisive military move. And Hamas hopes that by doing that, he will basically evaporate the whole Israeli preparation and Israeli determination to go into Gaza Strip and to eliminate its rule once and for all. So what we see here is a very sophisticated vicious play by Hamas. He's not going to release all the hostages as one, he will try to keep them as much as possible. He will release here a group and maybe there a group. The answer for that should be very simple. Any moment that your Hamas is not releasing hostages, another part of Gaza Strip is destroyed. And together with that, there remains of your ruling Gaza Strip. So it's a game of nervous, so to speak, of between the sides. But I think that Hamas has to be aware of this major stick that the stick is continuing to blow him. And unless he is going to release all the hostages, he is going to be in a much more dire situation. And in the end of the day, as I said, the end goal of all these things should be taking Hamas out of the equation, meaning making sure that Hamas and Islamic jihad will be not anymore longer players that could impact the trajectory of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, that they will not anymore be able to be playing a role of regional factor. So in that sense, then by using Qatar to negotiate for the release of these hostages, does it help in any way? And also we know that Israel hasn't primarily been involved in these negotiations. So what exactly could they even put on the table to get more hostages out? The only thing that Israel could put on the table, and by the way, the United States administrations also said that they say there is no ceasefire talks before all the hostages are free. And that should be the approach. That should be the approach is saying, this is not about ceasefire. This is about releasing immediately civilians that you have abducted and you are using them as a bargaining chip. The more you are prolonging that, the more you are not releasing those people, the damage and the catastrophe upon you Hamas and Islamic jihad and Gaza Strip is going to be tripled and quadrupled. That's the way to dialogue with this situation. And that's the way to basically force Hamas to move forward and to end this saga of the hostages. And one more thing in that context, Hamas must be eliminated. Hamas must be eliminated as a ruling power in Gaza Strip because otherwise the ramifications of not doing that are very bad. And Israel says that that continues to be their number one priority, especially as we continue to learn about the aftermath of everything that did happen on October 7th. In fact, the Bedouin community in Israel, Southern Negev Desert is one most impacted by Hamas, says not only are they close to the Gaza Strip, but they really have shelters or even warning sirens. Well, now members of one Bedouin community are coming together to find solutions to the bourbon of war. In a legal village with no formal name, now in mourning, 60 Israeli Bedouins live in this village in the Eastern Negev. On October 7th, they were on the front line against Hamas rockets. Traces of the attack are still visible throughout the village, rocket trap on the ground, and cars torn apart by the impact, all bearing witness to the violence. But it's the people who are most affected. I have four cousins who died in front of my eyes. It's a disaster. A rocket fell on the village around 6.30am. We all ran to see what happened if anyone was hurt. There was only material damage, so we moved away and sat down in a tent, the whole family. Gradually, the people dispersed, and there were just five people in the tent. Shortly afterwards, a missile fell on the tent. Four died and one is still in hospital. Given the urgency of the situation, the Israeli army provided concrete shelters the day after the war began. But these makeshift shelters aren't reassuring for the local residents. The situation is bad as our villages are not officially recognized, the state considers them wastelands. So we don't have any warning sirens, barely any shelters, miserable concrete blocks that were brought in the day after the attack, but it was too late, and many families don't even have this. Since the beginning of the war, the Bedouin community has suffered at least 19 deaths from Hamas. Some by rockets, others killed at point-blank range during the terrorist incursions of October 7th, a traumatic experience for the entire community. The majority of casualties in the Bedouin community occurred within 48 hours of the attack. We lost around 20 people. There were many wounded and seven hostages. We were on the front line. Many of us live below the poverty line, and half of the people live outdoors. These people have no protection. People are traumatized. Nevertheless, the Bedouins are getting involved. Volunteer initiatives have been set up to help both the Bedouin community and the region's Jewish inhabitants. In Hurra, east of Beersheba, an emergency council has been set up. Since the beginning of the war, leading members of the Bedouin community have been meeting twice a week to evaluate the situation and find solutions to the most urgent problems. We are all meeting here to provide solutions to the lack of shelter and organize Bedouin volunteers who want to help. What's more, over 60 percent of the Bedouin community is under age of 18, so how can we continue to provide them with an education in wartime? We have to set up a remote education system, but half of the children live in unrecognized villages with no access to internet, so Zoom doesn't work. The initiatives that try to lighten the burden of war for populations still in shock. When people focus on the events of the attack on October 7th, they often forget about the communities, the Bedouin, the Druze, the Arab Israelis who all live in Israel as well and were also destroyed by the hands of Hamas. Avi, I think it's an important message to also focus on that clearly Hamas is targeting the Jewish people here in Israel, but really they're targeting Israel as a whole. They're targeting anyone who lives here. Yes, and it goes back to the tactic that is of course backed by the Iranians and is deployed by Hamas and Islamic jihad and Hezbollah. The basic idea is to indiscriminately, knowingly, intentionally target Israel's of bellies, the civilians. So when they are launching thousands of rockets, those rockets are just being launched everywhere. They could hit Jew, they could hit Muslim, they could hit kids, they could hit women, they could hit everything. So this is the tactic. This is a pure terrorizing tactic that is deliberately knowingly and intentionally targeting the civilians, the cities, the civilian infrastructure and so on and so on. And we have to internalize this evil nature of this threat. And it clearly shows also back to your point before they don't care about even people of their own religion. They don't care about the Palestinian people as well. They just care about this terror and this destruction. You know that in 2006 when Israel Arabs were killed as an outcome of Hezbollah's attack, the leader of Hezbollah Nasrallah announced that those Israel Arabs who were killed by Hezbollah's missiles, he announced that they are martyrs. And by that he was basically concluding the story. We have to understand the vicious nature of these terror attacks and the vicious atrocities that they are conducting. Does it play into the international perspective as well? Many people when they're looking at this, they're stating, you know, after Hamas gets their hands on or the Iranian guard gets their hands on Israel, they're not just going to start at Israel. Their whole goal is to get the entire western world. Yes, look, the Iranian regime is a very dangerous regime. It is inspired by this apocalyptic outlook of mankind. So as a first stage, they are basically talking about creating themselves or positioning themselves as the leading superpower in the Middle East. But this is a first phase because they are looking at the word in a revolutionary outlook. And that revolutionary outlook is fueled by apocalyptic narratives regarding how they think people should live their life. And believe me, it's not heaven to be part of. And so we have to understand the West has been a pissing the Iranian regime for too long. I don't know to say whether the West was failing to understand the true nature and threat that this regime is presenting, or maybe the West knew what it is, but basically choose not to confront the Iranian regime. As right now in the Middle East, we are in a situation where we see the bitter fruits of this appeasement and unwillingness of the West to stay and confront decisively the threat and challenges that the Mullah regime presents. This is a pivotal moment. This is a moment, among many other things, for a paradigm shift in the West regarding the Iranian regime. If this regime is unable to continue, it's disastrous, murderous master plans. If this regime is unable to continue and to support fine funds, finance and its proxies across the Middle East, if this regime is unable to continue and to market a rhetoric that calling for the elimination of states, the state of Israel and the elimination of Jews, the bitter foods are going to become much more bitter. And it's definitely just the beginning. And it's this international perspective is something we will continue to keep an eye on. Abby Melemed, founder of Inside the Middle East Institute and Middle East Expert. Thank you so much for joining us and providing your expertise as always as we continue to look at the latest developments of the ever-changing war here in Israel now. And it's 19th day. Thanks for joining us on the I-24 News Desk. Israel is officially in a state of war. This is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking. More than a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped. Help us. We don't know what to do. We just don't know anything. Entire families, including babies and children and elderly, were butchered in their beds. Awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong. Everyone is showing up. This is the unity. First-hand testimonies from the front lines, from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas. Says Israel fights terror from the south and north. Get the inside scoop on what's going on. Only on I-24 News. Welcome to our rolling coverage of the war here in Israel. I'm Nicole Zadik alive in Tel Aviv. It's been 19 days since Hamas launched a full-scale attack on Israel. And Israel has yet to begin their highly anticipated ground incursion. Now three terror group leaders are preparing for Israel's attack, holding a meeting in Beirut. As the chief Hassan Nasrullah sits down with Hamas' political bureau deputy Hensaleh Al-Arouri and Ziyad Nahlah from Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Nasrullah makes his first public statement since the war began. Now at the Iranian back, terror cells discuss how to proceed. The United States is preparing for this type of regional escalation, sending a fighter squadron to the Middle East with F-16 fighter jets. All of this says political leaders go head to head at the UN Security Council. After security general Antonio Guterres suggested Hamas' brutal attack on Israel was in response to Israel's continued control of Palestinian territories. Quite a lot to unpack, but we want to begin in Israel's northern border, where our I-24 News correspondent Robert Swift is standing by. Robert, we're hearing reports IDF striking anti-tank missile cells near the Lebanon border. What's the latest on the ground up there? Yeah, so that took place about two hours ago. It was in the Mount Dov area, which is the far eastern end of Israel's northern border around the mountainous territory there. That's understood to be the fifth Hezbollah team that has been attacked by the IDF in about the last 24 hours. Now that is the only major security event that's taken place here to date along the border. There has been sporadic gunshots we've been hearing, but that's the one big one. But I should stress the fact that while it has been quiet so far in the morning, that by no means says it will continue. Yesterday started off relatively quiet and escalated to a series of quite large security incidents, including rocket fire from inside Syria into the Golan Heights, which resulted in the Israeli military using jets to bomb targets inside Syria overnight, that resulting in eight Syrian soldiers being killed. So although it is relatively quiet here, tensions do continue and there are skirmishes taking place for many days now and they could escalate again at any time. Certainly the feeling that anything could erupted any moment there, especially now as we have these images also of a meeting between Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian and Islamic Jihad, all of those leaders coming together discussing the next steps to achieve a possible victory against Israel. So by having this meter of all of these top leaders up in Beirut in Lebanon, does that indicate that Hezbollah is likely going to get more involved? It doesn't. It doesn't. It's hard to say because obviously Hezbollah are publishing these messages. They want to send this message. So you have to weigh up which do you think is more significant to them to send this signal publicly or to conduct the coordination. And they could be doing both things at once. Whether or not Hezbollah, it will be about to escalate its presence here. I think that actions will speak to that louder than any words coming from Hezbollah. If Israel sees a spike in the number of attacks taking place, if it sees troop movements over the border, then that to be honest would be a much stronger indication than any words that Hezbollah has to say because there is the belief that much of Hezbollah's actions here, they may simply just be gestures. They may be attacking Israel in order to demonstrate their support for Hamas' cause down in the south of the country. Whether or not Hezbollah wants to join the fight proper and then suffer the consequences of that, the huge military response that Israel would unleash upon it, that is another question. I know it's not necessarily Lebanon making these decisions. It's Iran using their proxies. As far as residents up in the area, it's a very volatile situation. What are the recommendations so the IDF is giving those residents near the border? So within five kilometers of the border, residents have been told essentially to evacuate to get out. But there are still plenty of people around. Some of the villages are very quiet. The closer you go to the border, the more that is true. You can see here and there, some people don't want to leave. Some people simply they maybe can't leave, whether that's for financial reasons or personal reasons. But the villages are very much quiet when you're right on the border. One village we drove around. It took us a few minutes before we spotted anybody there. The community was that close down with just one business open. That being said, there are still people moving around in parts. Of course, Monit Robert Swift up near the Lebanon border with Israel. Thank you for your coverage up there. And moving from northern Israel to southern Israel, where our correspondent Jonathan Raghiv is right now near the Gaza border. Jonathan, as we speak, even earlier throughout the morning, more sirens, more rockets, targeting Israel. But that's not the only action. Also, just yesterday reports of more terrorists trying to infiltrate into southern Israel near Zakeem Beach as well. That is correct. And I was last night in the city of Ashkelon, on the beach of the city of Ashkelon, five miles or so from Zakeem. And the notion that we were getting from the scenes there and from what we were hearing is that there's a very large incident going on in Zakeem. So many flares up in the air. A word was that up to 10 terrorists may have infiltrated from the sea. Now the IDF is confirming that two terrorists were killed. What else happened there? I do not know. We do not have more information. We do know the official information is that two terrorists were killed. The talk yesterday was possibly eight or nine or even 10 terrorists killed. Where are the others? Were they caught? Did they go back to Gaza? I don't know that. So that is one concerning issue. If there really were many terrorists, as were said initially by the IDF, where are the rest? The other preoccupying notion here is the fact that Hamas still has the ability to carry out such attacks. We heard that the terrorists came into the sea from a tunnel, meaning there's a tunnel dug into the sea. And that is why those terrorists were not detected going into the sea because they do it from far in land. And I understand you're seeing the images on your screens. Therefore, these are the events in Zakeem Beach last night. Quite a preoccupying scene. And also another question arising. The IDF is constantly pounding the Gaza Strip. Why is it not pounding the coastal area? Yes, there are lots of strikes in Gaza City, in Chanyunas, for example. But it seems as if the coastal part is perhaps spared. Bomb that as well. If this is where the terrorists come from, from the area, bomb that as well. Make sure they don't come from. Having said all this, we don't have all the information. Maybe there are other things we do not know. The only official confirmation we have so far is that two terrorists were killed. This is opposed to the numbers eight, nine, maybe even 10 terrorists that were circulating yesterday. And those images on the screen, as you're talking, Jonathan, show the terrorists swimming through the ocean, truly remarkable footage as they're targeting them as well. So I think that adds just so much to it. I think you bring up just the best point though, Jonathan, the fact that the IDF continues to talk about the number of targets they are hitting, the number of tunnels they are hitting. But we continue to learn more about this web of underground tunnels that Hamas continues to operate from and hide it. Yes, and we heard that in the testimony of the hostage. I was released yesterday saying that they were walking in what seemed like a spider web of tunnels inside the Gaza Strip. That specific woman was kidnapped from near Oz in the southern part of the Gaza border. Then therefore we can assume that these tunnels she's speaking about are in the area of Chanyunes. But also in Gaza City and many other places, there's a very wide web of tunnels inside the Gaza. And these tunnels are used first to hide the hostages. And second, and especially under sensitive sites such as Shifa Hospital, for example, this is where the Hamas leadership is hiding. If Israel wants to eradicate Hamas altogether, as was promised by the prime minister, by the defense minister, Israel will have to physically, Israeli forces would have to physically get into the hospital with all the meanings that such an action would have and go into tunnels that are built underneath probably with very strong defenses. And it's quite a sensitive and complicated issue. Jonathan Regev reporting from our southern border. Thank you as we continue to unpack the latest developments, everyone keeping an eye on the south there. I want to bring in my guest now in studio. I'm joined by Avi Melamed, founder of Inside the Middle East Institute and Middle East Expert. Thank you so much for joining me. Avi, I want to follow up on something that Jonathan just said, the importance of if we are going to completely eradicate, eliminate Hamas, we're going to have to target their tunnels, which we know are using human shields, specifically those of the hospital. The international repercussions of something like this is going to be exponential. Yes, definitely. And I would add something else into that. We have to take into consideration that Hamas was deliberately trapping those tunnels and particularly under those facilities, including the hospitals. We have to take into consideration the possibility that Hamas will deliberately detonate those places exactly for that same reason that you just mentioned right now. And then by doing that, would we see, do you think a similar situation of Hamas then trying to point the finger and the blame on Israel? Of course. I think the international perspective as we continue to look into this is definitely putting a fog at least on the international media. We saw it even with the United Nations Security Council and what Antonio Guterres had to say. But I want to focus actually quickly on something that the idea of spokesperson Daniel Higari said earlier today, speaking about how Iran is continuing to support Hamas and that they supported Hamas since the onsite of this war. Iran is supporting Hamas for the last 40 years. And this goes against what Iran said, that they had no hand in this attack. The Iranian regime, of course, is a brutal, murderous regime. He butchered his own people. If somebody wants to believe that regime, this is, you know, is welcome to do that. We all know what's the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime is advancing a very dangerous, vicious master plan to become the superpower in the Middle East. And among that master plan is the all plan to eliminate the state of Israel. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are very significant component in the Iranian master plan, because they enable the Iranian master plan to must the Iranian regime to continue and to fuel the flames of the Israeli Palestinian conflict, because this is one of the major tickets that the Iranian regime is playing, marketing itself to the Arab world, saying we, the Iranian regime, we will free Palestine. They couldn't care less about Palestinians. But as long as there is continuation of the fight between Israel and Gaza Strip and Hamas and Islamic Jihad are serving that purpose, that serves the Iranian regime, that serves their interest. And we just saw how the Iranian regime is coordinating, orchestrating the attacks on different directions of its proxies. We saw it in Yemen. We saw it in Syria. We saw it in Iraq. We see it in Gaza Strip. And we saw it in Lebanon. The Iranian regime master plan presents a serious threat to the state of Israel, a serious threat to the region and a serious threat to the world. And we continue to see these different Iranian proxies come together just today. A new picture released of Hezbollah chief Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Now Hassan Nasrallah also releasing his first statement since the start of this war 19 days ago. It's pretty significant that he waited so long to even come out with a public statement. I'll tell you what I think happened in this meeting. Ziyad Nakhail, the leader of Islamic Jihad and Salah al-Aroori, the leader, one of the major leader of Hamas, went to this room and they have a desire actually to make sure that Hezbollah is going to join the war. Basically they said it in a polite manner, hoping that Nasrallah will say, yes, we are going to join the war. I'm not so sure that Nasrallah gives such a decisive answer. I think that Nasrallah gave some sort of like an evasive answer because it goes back to something that we spoke about a couple of days ago. And that is the Iranian regime regarding the question, dilemma regarding the question, am I going to order Hezbollah to enter the war? And then jeopardize not only the downfall of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which will be a major blow to the Iranian regime, but also jeopardize my most significant proxy. This is the Hezbollah in Lebanon. Or am I going to let go and basically give up my base in Gaza Street? There is another significant component in this meeting, which we have to understand. One of the things that the Iranians, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Nasrallah, and others are basically marketing to the Arab world is the concept that is called unifying the arenas. In other words, what they say all the time was once there will be a war against Gaza Street, all the proxies will come together. Hezbollah and the Iranian-backed Iraqi-Shia militia and so to support to save Gaza Street. There is already by now. And for a long period of time, there are voices within Hamas and Islamic Jihad who are basically questioning Nasrallah. Where are you exactly? We are waiting for you to come in to join this war. If they, in the end of the day, Hezbollah is not going to enter the war. And if in the end of the day, as it should happen, Hamas is no longer ruling Gaza Street. Hamas is taken out of the equation. That will be a double major blow to the Iranian regime and the Hezbollah, because they will lose one of the most strategic cards, which is Gaza Street, and they will lose the remain of their credibility in the Arab world. And particularly within the Palestinians themselves, because right now the Palestinians are furious with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. They are saying to them, you inflicted catastrophe of the people of Gaza in the service of the Iranians and Nasrallah. And in the moment of truth, they failed to show up. If that's going to be the scenario, if Hezbollah is staying out in the end of the day, if Hamas and Islamic Jihad are demolished, destructed by Israel, and they are no longer playing any significant role as a regional player, as a one that could impact the trajectory of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, that will be yet another nail in Hamas' political coffin. I want to talk now also, we're hearing new reports out of Qatar, Qatar claiming that they're having a breakthrough possibly with the hostage negotiations. The hostage situation remains one of the most difficult, complicated, and critical points of this, but negotiating with Qatar, it also poses a very difficult threat and it poses a very difficult question as to the credibility of even working with Qatar in the first place. Well, we know the Qatari game. The Qataris are playing the game all directions, they are changing their position according to their needs and their political interests. This is part of the legitimate, let's call it real, political game. We all know that we are all familiar. But here is something that I think is important to understand in the context of the hostages that Hamas is holding. Hamas is now applying a tactic, a combined tactic that has two major components. One is playing the card of the hostages as a bargaining chip. And the second thing here is hoping that the scenery is coming from Gaza Strip, resulting in this international reaction to the situation in Gaza Strip. That together will create a situation where Hamas will be able to prolong more and more and more the time Israel will move on to the next swift decisive military move. And Hamas hopes that by doing that, he will basically evaporate the whole Israeli preparation and Israeli determination to go into Gaza Strip and to eliminate its rule once and for all. So what we see here is a very sophisticated, vicious play by Hamas. He's not going to release all the hostages as one. He will try to keep them as much as possible. He will release here a group and maybe there a group. The answer for that should be very simple. Any moment that your Hamas is not releasing hostages, another part of Gaza Strip is destroyed. And together with that, there remains of your ruling Gaza Strip. So it's a game of nervous, so to speak, of between the sides. But I think that Hamas has to be aware of this major stick that the stick is continuing to blow him. And unless he's going to release all the hostages, he's going to be in a much more dire situation. And in the end of the day, as I said, the end goal of all these things should be taking Hamas out of the equation. Meaning, making sure that Hamas and Islamic Jihad will be not any more longer players that could impact the trajectory of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that they will not anymore be able to be playing a role of regional factor. So in that sense then, by using Qatar to negotiate for the release of these hostages, does it help in any way? And also, we know that Israel hasn't primarily been involved in these negotiations. So what exactly could they even put on the table to get more hostages out? The only thing that Israel could put on the table, and by the way, the United States Administrations also said that they say there is no ceasefire talks before all the hostages are free. And that should be the approach. That should be the approach is saying, this is not about ceasefire. This is about releasing immediately civilians that you have abducted and you are using them as a bargaining chip. The more you are prolonging that, the more you are not releasing those people. The damage and the catastrophe upon you, Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Gaza Strip is going to be tripled and quadrupled. That's the way to dialogue with this situation. And that's the way to basically force Hamas to move forward and to end this saga of the hostages. And one more thing in that context, Hamas must be eliminated. Hamas must be eliminated as a ruling power in Gaza Strip because otherwise the ramifications of not doing that are very bad. And Israel says that that continues to be their number one priority, especially as we continue to learn about the aftermath of everything that did happen on October 7th. In fact, the Bedouin community in Israel's southern Negev Desert is one most impacted by Hamas, says not only are they close to the Gaza Strip, but they really have shelters or even warning sirens. Well, now members of one Bedouin community are coming together to find solutions to the bourbon of war. In a legal village with no formal name, now in mourning, 60 Israeli Bedouins live in this village in the eastern Negev. On October 7th, they were on the front line against Hamas rockets. Traces of the attack are still visible throughout the village. Rocket shrapnel on the ground and cars torn apart by the impact, all bearing witness to the violence. But it's the people who are most affected. I have four cousins who died in front of my eyes. It's a disaster. A rocket fell on the village around 6.30am. We all ran to see what happened if anyone was hurt. There was only material damage, so we moved away and sat down in a tent, the whole family. Gradually, the people dispersed and there were just five people in the tent. Shortly afterwards, a missile fell on the tent. Four died and one is still in hospital. Given the urgency of the situation, the Israeli army provided concrete shelters the day after the war began. But these makeshift shelters aren't reassuring for the local residents. The situation is bad, as our villagers are not officially recognized, the state considers them wastelands. So we don't have any warning sirens, barely any shelters, miserable concrete blocks that were brought in the day after the attack, but it was too late and many families don't even have this. Since the beginning of the war, the Bedouin community has suffered at least 19 deaths from Hamas. Some by rockets, others killed at point-blank range during the terrorist incursions of October 7th, a traumatic experience for the entire community. The majority of casualties in the Bedouin community occurred within 48 hours of the attack. We lost around 20 people. There were many wounded and seven hostages. We were on the front line. Many of us live below the poverty line and half of the people live outdoors. These people have no protection. People are traumatized. Nevertheless, the Bedouins are getting involved. Volunteer initiatives have been set up to help both the Bedouin community and the region's Jewish inhabitants. In Hurra, east of Beersheba, an emergency council has been set up. Since the beginning of the war, leading members of the Bedouin community have been meeting twice a week to evaluate the situation and find solutions to the most urgent problems. We're all meeting here to provide solutions to the lack of shelter and organize Bedouin volunteers who want to help. What's more, over 60 percent of the Bedouin community is under age of 18, so how can we continue to provide them with an education in wartime? We have to set up a remote education system, but half of the children live in unrecognized villages with no access to internet, so Zoom doesn't work. The initiatives that try to lighten the burden of war for populations still in shock. When people focus on the events of the attack on October 7, they often forget about the communities, the Bedouin, the Druze, the Arab Israelis who all live in Israel as well and were also destroyed by the hands of Hamas. Avi, I think it's an important message to also focus on that clearly Hamas is targeting the Jewish people here in Israel, but really they're targeting Israel as a whole. They're targeting anyone who lives here. Yes, and it goes back to the tactic that is of course backed by the Iranians and is deployed by Hamas and Islamic jihad and Hezbollah. The basic idea is to indiscriminatingly, knowingly, intentionally target Israel's soft bellies, the civilians. So when they are launching thousands of rockets, those rockets are just being launched everywhere. They could hit Jew, they could hit Muslim, they could hit kids, they could hit women, they could hit everything. So this is the tactic. This is a pure terrorizing tactic that is deliberately, knowingly and intentionally targeting the civilians, the cities, the civilian infrastructure and so on and so on. And we have to internalize this evil nature of this threat. And it clearly shows also back to your point before they don't care about even people of their own religion. They don't care about the Palestinian people as well. They just care about this terror and this destruction. You know that in 2006 when Israel Arabs were killed as an outcome of Hezbollah's attack, the leader of Hezbollah Nasrallah announced that those Israel Arabs who were killed by Hezbollah's missiles, he announced that they are martyrs. And by that he was basically concluding the story. We have to understand the vicious nature of these terror attacks and the vicious atrocities that they are conducting. Does it play into the international perspective as well? Many people when they're looking at this, they're stating after Hamas gets their hands on or the Iranian guard gets their hands on Israel. They're not just going to start at Israel. Their whole goal is to get the entire Western world. Yes, look, the Iranian regime is a very dangerous regime. It is inspired by this apocalyptic outlook of mankind. So as a first stage, they are basically talking about creating themselves or positioning themselves as the leading superpower in the Middle East. But this is a first phase because they are looking at the word in a revolutionary outlook. And that revolutionary outlook is fueled by apocalyptic narratives regarding how they think people should live their life. And believe me, it's not heaven to be part of. And so we have to understand the West has been appeasing the Iranian regime for too long. I don't know to say whether the West was failing to understand the true nature and threat that this regime is presenting, or maybe the West knew what it is, but basically choose not to confront the Iranian regime. As right now in the Middle East, we are in a situation where we see the bitter fruits of this appeasement and unwillingness of the West to stay and confront decisively the threat and challenges that the Mullah regime presents. This is a pivotal moment. This is a moment among many other things for a paradigm shift in the West regarding the Iranian regime. If this regime is unable to continue, it's disastrous, murderous master plans. If this regime is unable to continue and to support finance armed its proxies across the Middle East, if this regime is unable to continue and to market a rhetoric that calling for the elimination of states, the state of Israel and the elimination of Jews, the bitter foods are going to become much more bitter. And it's definitely just the beginning, and it's this international perspective is something we will continue to keep an eye on. Founder of Inside the Middle East Institute and Middle East Expert, thank you so much for joining us and providing your expertise as always as we continue to look at the latest developments of the ever-changing war here in Israel now, and it's 19th day. Thanks for joining us on the I-24 News Desk. 1300 people murdered and more than 3000 injured, and the war with Hamas continues. We bring you first-hand testimonies from the front lines, from those who survived, and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas. Follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north. Get the inside scoop on what's going on, only on I-24 News. Officially in a state of war, this is a very active scene, and we need to get in the car as we're talking. More than 100 soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped. Help us. We don't know what to do. We just don't know anything. Entire families, including babies and children and elderly, were butchered in their beds. Awaken the giant, and we are ready and we are strong. Everyone is showing up. This is the unity. Even from Tel Aviv and welcome to our ongoing coverage of Israel at war. I'm Ariel Levin-Walkman. On the southern front, Hamas terrorists attempted a seaborne infiltration attack near Zikim Beach, but they were killed by Israeli naval forces. The IDF said they also managed to kill another high-ranking Hamas leader in an air strike, Tessir Mubashir, commander of Hamas' North Khan Unis Division. Mubashir served as the head of Hamas' Naval Division and headed many of the terror group's weapons manufacturing programs. Meanwhile, Syria fired rockets towards Israeli communities in the Golan Heights, and the IDF struck several Syrian military targets in response with fighter jets hitting mortar launch sites. This is coming as three terror group leaders hold a meeting in Beirut, Hezbollah Chief Hassan Nasrallah, sitting down with Hamas' political bureau, Deputy Head Saleh Al-Arori and Ziyad Nahlah from Palestine Islamic Jihad. Nasrallah is making his first public statement since the war began. And as Iranian back terror cells discuss how to proceed, the United States is preparing for this type of regional escalation, sending a fighter squadron to the Middle East with F-16 fighter jets. And we're going to turn our eye first on the southern border where our reporter, Defense correspondent Jonathan Regev, is standing by just outside of Ashkelon, I believe. Give us the latest on that front. So more Israeli artillery, we heard it through the morning, quite heavy shelling of the Gaza Strip, Hamas firing rockets this morning, at least three times, two Gaza border communities, the latest red alert siren sounding roughly 20 minutes ago at the community of Nahal-Oz, one of the communities that is right on the border fence. Of course, there's a big expectation regarding the ground offensive, which may or may not begin. We have no confirmation of that. And at the same time, we're hearing of possible negotiations between Israel and Qatar regarding hostages. Again, not a lot of information coming up. So this is basically the notion down here, waiting for something to happen. We just don't know what. And on that hostages negotiation, there are no details out yet, but it certainly seems that Haggari was much more complimentary of Qatar than we've seen in past briefings and statements. Does that give us any indication of how big this deal is? It doesn't give us an indication of how many hostages there may be there. No, but it certainly gives us an indication that Qatar is deeply involved. Qatar, we know the way they operate, they sort of light the fire and then are the first ones to come and turn that fire out, meaning they strongly support Hamas, they funded Hamas for years and years. And after Hamas did that terrible attack on that Saturday morning, killing so many 1400 Israelis and kidnapping more than 200, now it's coming as a savior as one that can negotiate a release. This is the way Qatar is, but the fact that the idea of spokesmen spoke about Qatar and the way that he did could show us that they're deeply involved in this possible hostage release, but we have no indication as to how big it may be. Absolutely, and I guess the last one is we've all been expecting that ground operation now for close to three weeks since it was announced that it was coming. We're now hearing the IDF has been saying for the past few days that they're ready to go in and it's only political considerations holding them back. What sort of divide are we seeing between the military and the political leadership right now on the invasion? The army is ready, loud and clear. It was said in very firm words by the chief of Saferi Tiyalevi last night. He said, we are ready and now it's time for the political echelon to decide they have their own considerations, hostages perhaps, international legitimacy perhaps, whatever it may be. The army is ready, they need the go ahead from the prime minister, the defense minister, at least for now it has not happened. Well thank you very much Jonathan for that report from the southern border. We are going to come back to you over the course of the day as things change on the ground there. There is some evidence coming to light every day showing the methodical planning and the murderous intent behind Hamas's massacre of Israel's border towns. We're in orders found on dead Hamas terrorists calling Jews a disease, calling for beheading and mutilation. This evidence is being released to the public now as many around the world attempt to deny Hamas's crimes against humanity. A note newly recovered off the body of a Hamas attacker. This is what it says. The enemy is a disease that has no cure. Why was it so important for you to show it to us today? Because the world needs to understand it's not an issue of Palestinians and Israelis. It's an issue of a crime against humanity. And we're joined in studio by Hanan Geffen former commander of the 8200 intelligence unit with the IDF. Hanan thanks for being with us. Thank you for having me. We have to open up with the uncomfortable question that's been hanging over the country and the intelligence community for weeks now. So much planning went into this attack. So much preparation was done. We have all this evidence coming up showing the depth they sank to and the sheer scope of it should have been unmistakable to the intelligence community. How was it missed? Well it's too early to go into the details or to understand the details. I would say and you mentioned only two facts. One of them we were consumed from prime minister down to the military that the Hamas, this terror organization is ready to start to act as responsible, taking care of his people, working places, food, shelter, electricity and so on. And of course the money coming from Qatar which you mentioned the huge support to the Ghazan. So exactly the day this kind of agreement was signed the next day they started the operation. Until that day I would say that the notion was that they are going in a way that we are happy and we looked for years it started to happen. So this is what we call a concept, a notion that we have and we consume it. We have to admit from all of us. The other thing is that we are dealing with a terror organization very departmentalized, working for almost 15 years now against Israel suffering setbacks and setbacks and finally they find a way, a place. They have a lot of work in place, a work in the Gaza Strip, a lot of information they gather from people that were hosted, were asked to work in the Kippur team, all the places. They know exactly the whereabouts of every installation, so planned very meticulously. And then they knew the capability of the Israeli intelligence, both visual and electronic, and they were doing it, preparing it very compartmentalized. So this is as far as I can say right now, it shouldn't happen. We are all, I would say all the military, the political levels are surprised and it was a hit, a real blow. And continuing on this, you mentioned the technological surveillance methods being thwarted by their use of basically stone age level techniques, physically passing information back and forth. But there's another angle here because one of the things the 8200 does is that signal intelligence, is the technological intelligence gathering. To mass 3,000 people on the border armed before an assault shouldn't have been missable by all the surveillance mechanisms at the IDF's intelligence disposable. To actually start getting it through the border for to take four hours for a military response, that's the biggest, how was that missed? Like you could understand the strategic mishaps, the failure to understand the plans, but the failure to miss the people massing on the border. That's a question that has to be seen because we know that sometimes around three o'clock in the night, they already have some signals and the Shabak, the head of the Shabak already have a reaction. Didn't understand the full picture. You have only a very part picture of what's supposed to go and the reaction was accordingly. And the surprise is also the scale of the operation. It was much scalar than the scale was much bigger than anticipated this evening. I don't know about the understanding of the military, because I understand, I believe that the plans, the magnitude of the plan was known. Nobody believed that they are going to execute it, the way they executed it. And again, it's on the background of this understanding that they are going to act as a rational people, taking care of their people, the well-being, education and so on. And this I want to turn now to the enemy's intelligence as well. For what I understand, even now, we hear of Iran's intelligence services aiding Hamas, aiding Hezbollah in just about every aspect of the war. What sort of capabilities does the enemy have on the intelligence front? And how should they be countered? Yeah, we have to take them seriously because in the era of cyber, the world is a small one and the global world is shrinking. And you can do many things, even private hackers and so on. So the world has changed dramatically. And we shouldn't underestimate the capabilities, not the Iranians and not the others, and not other players. Even somebody supporting the Philippines can do that much damage. But what sort of capability is beyond the cyber arena, is Iranian Hamas intelligence bringing to bear in this conflict? I would say any kind of capabilities starting from human sources to other information gathering, open sources. We know that they are trying to send people here. And of course, electronic ones. They are listening, monitoring the Israeli communication, the public one. They know exactly what happens in the Israeli and they understand who is what, what the nature of the communication, they understand it, they understand us. So we have to, we have to, we shouldn't underestimate them. Absolutely. We're going to continue on that topic of conversation in just a short moment. First, though, we are going to turn our eyes to the northern border where our correspondent, Robert Swift, is standing by. If you want to understand, the IDF did just hit another Hezbollah anti-tank team just a few short minutes ago, let us know what the most recent developments on that front are. Yes, that's correct. We're just receiving reports now about that anti-tank team. That would be the second one that's been struck by the Israeli military today and bringing the total to six separate teams, including anti-tank teams and mortar teams that were hitting the last 24 hours. Now, also separately, there were alarm sirens going off in the Carmel area, which is close to the northern Israeli city of Haifa, where it's understood that there's possibly been rocket fire there. Now, at the moment, there's some reporting that this may be a rocket launch from Gaza as opposed to a launch from Lebanon. While the Lebanese border is much closer to that region than Gaza, there have been a few incidents over the last two weeks where long-range rockets have been fired from Gaza coming up this far north. Very tense situation on the northern border and we're going to be coming back to you as that develops over the course of the day. Robert, thank you very much for being with us. We are going to look more at the evidence that's been coming out ever since the October 7th invasion and massacre, evidence showing the full nature of Israel's enemy with some of the terrorists on that day, calling their families in Gaza to rejoice in their slaughter. And their families were only too happy to know that their children were out murdering civilians. As part of the effort to clean up the scene around the Gaza Strip, the Shin Bet and the IDF located a phone that belonged to one of the murdered women that was used by one of the terrorists to call home a conversation with his family, showing his pride in the massacre he carried out. This recording was just released for the first time at the UN Security Council. I'm going to return to Hanan here in the studio. You are an intelligence guy with the intelligence background. The IDF has promised to form a new unit tasked with hunting down all of the commandos from the Nukba unit that were involved in these atrocities. With all the evidence that they've left us, their own recordings, their own voices, is it feasible to actually get all of them? Yeah, if you are, if you know, the cases in Gaza, every day from the last 18 days, you have several houses on building turned down, bombed. Now, if you look very carefully, usually the Gaza will show only the children that have been hit. But if you look, sometimes they have some, their own mistakes, and you can see that there are some young people, young soldiers, kind of entering the hospitals. Now, the reporters from Gaza, the hospitals from Gaza are monitored closely by the Hamas. Now, every day, there are so many people involved, Hamas people, involved either in running the the shelling or being part of this organization. Now, we have a host, we have the prisoners, a lot of prisoners, and they are speaking. They are just singing, singing. A lot of, we have seen some of them already, and probably there are more. So it will be, it will not be a too difficult task for the Shin Bet. And this is the case where actually the Shin Bet, not a pillar, will go and will target them. It takes years. Today, just today, we have, there was killed, there was killed, one targeted, one of the, one of the, perpetrated these activities 20 years ago. He was targeted today, one of these commander. So they know it. And I think they started to believe that the euphoria they have, the two days of eight, seven and eight of October, starting to change. Now things are much, besides the difficulties they have, they understand that the tides are turned. They are hiding more, sheltering behind women and children, trying to escape behind women and children. That's why, by the way, I believe that that's to be checked. They're not names actually published, only this place of this family, this place of that family, because they know that they're hiding there, the terrorists. And each house is a target. A target was checked and was monitored, reviewed by judicial advisors. So they know exactly the idea after them. So you are confident that the IDF can bring every last one of these murderers to justice. This is the only way that we can deal with them. If you remember in 1972, the Munich massacre, the German, it took us 20 years to go each and one after them. And they know it. There's no other way that we can live in this part of the world, because their mentality is totally different. It's eye for eye. Otherwise, I just talked about how we were consumed by this idea that given the food and working may influence them. No, it cannot. The only one. And I would say I'm monitoring the situation in this area for more than 55 years. I have been near young soldiers in 1967. I've never seen the Israeli population so united, so outraged as it is today. So I think they start to understand the Arab, the Hamas leaders, there's something and change it, something and change in this area. Well, we're going to continue this topic of discussion, but first we're going to bring in another aspect. We've been discussing in studio the how of the fighting, that why fighting is another critical part. That is, of course, the horrible stories, the nightmarish testimonies we have heard over the past three weeks since the massacre. And we are going to hear as well from the relatives of people that were kidnapped. Joining us now in studio is Tamir Rahmim, the cousin to Larry Elbag, who was kidnapped to Gaza. Tamir, I'm glad you could be in here with us, even though there are no good words of consolation at this time. Just share as much of the story as you are comfortable doing. Well, thank you for having me, of course. First of all, you know, Larry is basically 18 year old kid just graduated from high school few months ago. And, you know, she lived her life, traveled, had fun, went to parties. But eventually she was in the wrong place on the wrong time and got kidnapped by murderers, by subhuman creatures that basically don't have any value, any, you know, any feelings towards the suffer of people who are not Muslims, basically, and not in their sides, because, you know, Arab also went missing, abducted and killed. So, in the first day of the war, I'm a startup founder and CEO in the day to day. I just closed the product for initial customers, felt happy for an hour, hour later, Larry was missing. The communication stopped. I thought it was a rumor at first, and in the first day I was in utter shock. I didn't realize how to deal with it. And eventually I realized I need to do something. I took all my staff, told them, guys, we finished our product, but we need to do something much more important. I mean, in the day to day, we're saving people from injuries. In this war, we realize we must to save lives as many as possible. And we start working on the Austin tangent, which scrape all the data from their bragging in social media, most of the telegram. I mean, we're following thousands of channels that, you know, praise their terrorist actions, even sending evidences. I mean, a lot of the stories we just heard are things I saw in my own eyes. We have representative working directly in the field, trying to find bodies, which in a lot of cases are utterly corrupted and we can't identify them in any, you know, any conventional means. It's horrible story to tell. And we took our abilities in the AI fields and merge them with a lot of elite cybersecurity personnel from the Army from other organizations and we basically provide technical support and trying to make the matches between the media from the families and the scraping we're doing on social medias and in other means as well. Basically, it's really hard to speak about Louis as we don't know what's happening with her and all of her friends, but I can tell from my personal experience, I have friends who lost over 20 friends in that black Sabbath. And, you know, they actually saw the videos of their corpses on the last minutes. I saw a lot of videos of helpless people getting slaughtered, butchered with tears of joy from those subhuman screeches. I mean, I'm trembling because it's unacceptable in every manner is human to deal with it. And thank you very much. Our purpose in Louis' smile is to make as a transparent intellectually. We need and we do all of our abilities and capabilities and our team grew from two people to over 60 people in basically 10 days from the beginning of this initiative. And, you know, we all want to have them back as much as possible as well as possible because the conditions are totally subhumans and the news we're getting are not most optimistic. So we really need to do the efforts to make as a transparent and to save lives of also fighting forces. And I'm calling every family member of someone who's been abducted or still missing to fill the form in our website and actually help us help you and find your relatives as soon as possible. And of course, our intelligence also is, you know, reachable for every military or security force in Israel, whether it's IDF, whether it's Shin Bet, whether it's Mossad, whoever needs our data and it's verified Israeli DoD embodiment. We're here to help, we're here to share and hopefully it will make the difference and help a lot of people to get their loved ones back and better days with less casualties for all of us. It's a commendable effort. So many people right now are grieving, but rather than being broken by grief, you decided to act to create a solution with your experience. As I understand what you're trying to describe, it's basically helping identify and locate missing persons. Exactly. Is it going to be something that is useful in many different directions? You said there's not just the evidence and the details from our side, will a tool like this also be helpful in identifying who the murderers are so that people like the IDF can go after them and ensure that justice is done? Of course. So as my colleague said, the Munich murderers fled for some of them 20 years. Our effort is to just shrink this some difference into days if possible, but the most realistic use case would be like months. And the reason we need to do it is to actually cut the evil from its source as soon as possible. Otherwise, those sorry for my French, but assholes will continue to preach hate for another generation. That's what they are doing over 100 years. And, you know, if we want to teach them fear, if we want to speak in their language, in their culture ways, eventually we're letting them win. And we're letting this sick mentality, another reason to be, you know, flourished to freezing. And we need to cut it as soon as possible. And this is part of our efforts. Absolutely. I'm going to pass back to Hanan for the last minute that we have in studio here. Because what he described there is actually very impressive Munich taking 20 years. That's not a deterrent. Some of these people are old. They know that 20 years is just fine. A few months, though, is that going to make a huge difference in their days? Because every day that passing, and we have the legitimacy, look, we are for 19 days, you are fighting there, bombing and shelling, but might look innocent citizens, which are not because there is a coverage there. The world has let us know because they have these atrocities. And these are every day that passes that there are more people that understand that Israel have reached their target. Israel is after them. And the stories are spreading. I think it's more important to our deterrent. It's part of also our deterrent, which we have lost in this 7th of October. We lost the deterrent in this area. Without a deterrent, you are dead men. Both of you, what I see here in this studio is resolve, not just grief. And that's something that this country is going to need in the days ahead. Thank you both for being here, showing how it's going to work. For everyone else who are about to go on a short break, we're going to be back in just three minutes with more aspects of our work coverage, all possible arenas and all possible updates. So stay with us. We'll be right back. Over 1,300 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured, and the war with Hamas continues. We bring you firsthand testimonies from the front lines, from those who survived, and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas. Follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north. Get the inside scoop on what's going on. Only on I-24 News. Thank you for being with us in the nearly three weeks since the Black Saturday massacre. Israelis faith in their government's ability to protect them from terror has been shattered. Hamas's terrorists murdered and tortured for more than four hours before any military even showed up. And now much of the Israeli public is demanding the ability to protect themselves, even as the government maintains some of the world's most restrictive laws on firearms ownership. Since the massacre, more than 100,000 Israelis have applied for a gun permit. That's a figure that could nearly double the number of armed civilians that are already in circulation. But many more are complaining that under the incredibly restrictive laws that Israel maintains, they simply do not qualify for the privilege of protecting their lives and their families from torture and terror. Here to explain as parliament member Simcha Rothman, chair of the Law and Justice Committee, Simcha, thank you for being with us. You're partying around on a platform of arming more citizens, but in office, even in the aftermath of this massacre, what we've seen is changing things like the number of bullets some can own, moving police interviews to phone to make it faster, and making some small changes with which category of soldier can own a gun. But the actual categorical changes that would allow more and more Israelis to own firearms, we've not seen that. Why is that? Yeah, we everyone needs to know what's happened and what I think would need to happen. First, the number of people that are became eligible because the regulations were changed now last week. I think I can talk about estimates, but I think way more than doubled, maybe even and maybe even quadrupled. So the numbers and the percentage of the people in Israel that can have and are eligible for a gun permit gone up drastically. And so it's a change. It's a change in the good direction. I do agree. I would prefer a change that it will go the other way around. You are eligible to have a gun permit unless you have good reason not to get the permit. That's my view. But the system went from very restrictive, as you said, very restrictive regime to way more allowing everyone who served in the Israeli army. And you know, in Israel, it's a lot of people as a combatant. Again, a lot of people way more than it used to be that it was only for a certain level of infantry. So it became and also in municipalities that are under threat, even people who did not serve in the army, even people who served in the army very short period of time and they're younger, even people, even women who went to national service and did not go to the army can also get guns. So the numbers and the availability was today is way better than it used to be in the past. I was speaking about this issue for many, many years. It's a big step towards a solution. But again, I agree it's not enough and it should be moved. And actually what you're describing there is increasing the amount of eligibility. But I personally know dozens of people, including in this office here, that have shown interest. They want to get a firearms permit to protect themselves, to protect their families. But they live in the center of the country. And because of that, they simply don't qualify. You discuss people around the periphery. But so much in the past few years, we've seen terror attacks here in the center as well. What do you say to those Israelis that are they just less important? Why can't they qualify to protect themselves and their families? Of course, even it doesn't matter where do you live. If you were in the army and you serve as a combatant, you will accept it doesn't matter what. If you're in a certain rank in the army, even if you did not serve as a combatant, you will be eligible. Again, many, many people that weren't eligible until a week ago became eligible in the center, in the more threatened areas and in other places. Many people who volunteer in their police or other places are eligible. So the changes are bad. Is it enough? I agree with you. I would push and that I'm going to plan to do even further to limit the limitations that it will be more easy. It will be easier to get gun permits. And also, we have one must keep in mind. Even people who are eligible, the main block now is not the eligibility. The main block now is the time of processing the request. The main problem now is the guns available for sale or for training. And that's the major block now. Making the numbers now larger will not help the people who need to get and there is some kind of preference by the ministry to give them first. But again, I totally agree with what you say. I think that everyone who does not have any criminal problem or mental problem should be eligible for a gun permit. Simply, you mentioned your personal belief here and there's a lot of people that certainly agree with this sentiment that's being expressed. Is there finally a widespread notion in the halls of Israel's parliament, in the halls of Israel's security apparatus that the 1949 firearms law, which has been used largely to disarm the Israeli public, has failed, that it needs to go and be replaced with something better, something that's actually thought about at a wide scale. So again, the concept of the law has been changed. You're 100% right. In the past, the idea was you are not eligible unless you show a specific danger that you are more in danger than other people. That was the idea behind the law. It has been changed. It has been changed over the scope of the years. We move to understand the state of Israel, move to understand that we're still not in the place of a right to carry guns, right to carry arms. Again, I don't think there are enough people today in Israel, even today, that talk about it as a right, a human right to carry arms. But they do understand the interest, interest of the person, the interest of the surrounding of the person, the interest of the state that many, many people will have licensed guns. Especially in a time of war, but always I would be happy for incremental change that goes in the right direction than to fight over theoretical fights that at the end will not make more people eligible and will not have more people with gun permits. I'm glad you're processing up there near the end because too many people try to make this dichotomy where it's either the hyper restrictive laws currently on the books or calling it the equivalent of the United States with a right to bear arms. Do you think there's possibly wisdom in looking at the model presented by Switzerland or the Czech Republic instead, where you DC widespread ownership of firearms, but it's seen as a duty, something that everyone engages in for the defense of their nation? So again, you have to remember, theoretically the law on the books does not give the right to carry arms unless, but when you look at the numbers and you know how many people wearing the army as combatants, you know how many people were not combatants, but they are officers in the army or in the reserve duty. You know how many people volunteering in as a first responder and in the fire department. You know how many people live in municipalities that are eligible either in the north, in the south, in Judea and Samaria, and sometimes even in Tel Aviv. You know how many people are first responders in the rural areas, also in the center. And they're also eligible because of that. So a step by step, a category by category, the numbers are growing. And it's a step, it steps on the good, to the good direction, to the right direction in my point of view. Again, I would go deeper and I know that there are plans to make it even more. Again, now it's a fight that's not worth fighting because even if you make everyone in Israel eligible now, until they will get the guns and the training that they need and the background checks that are in place, it will take forever. So it's the fact that we are not doing it in an incremental step also create better deployment of that purpose. Well, it's a worthy cause and I wish you best of luck with ensuring that Israelis can defend themselves in the futures that never again can actually be enforced rather than simply words. We are going to move on to an international plea to bring our children home. The Israeli operas demanding the singers around the world not participate in international opera day today, instead share a single message instead that these are the faces of the child hostages of Hamas and that the world has a moral duty to do anything possible to rescue them. With us in studio or to the figures you just saw singing there Anat Sazarni and Oded Reih who are members of the Israeli opera. Thank you so much for being with us. I understand this is not simply a called activism but a personal story for both of you. Yes indeed. First of all thank you for having us. My family is also from Kibbutz Berry. My cousin used to live there with his pregnant wife and two small children and on the 7th of October they were attacked in their home by terrorists and they had to hide in the safe room for more than 12 hours with no water and with terrorists trying to open the door physically trying to open the door and my cousin had to hold the doorknob and stop them from entering for many hours until they came in and they decided to burn houses and they were sure that their house was being burned as well but it was just smoke from other houses that had entered the safe room and they felt like they were choking for 12 hours with two small children and a pregnant woman and after those hours they were saved by the army under fire with a lot of luck and they were brought to Barzilay hospital and now they are healthy I guess in body I guess their bodies are healthy and they are staying with us at our Kibbutz. For me I have a friend from my choir youth choir we haven't been in touch for 20 years but I still remember her voice very well and she was taken hostage with her two little children her parents and I think her sister the whole family is there right now so for me it's also it's connected to the voice that we're still using and we hope we sing for for these people as well as my my father's cousin that also was taken hostage is 75 years old so I think every Israeli has someone he knows that is there or entered or murdered in these days and yeah it's true and we saw the video that the opera put out showing the children showing them growing up it makes it a lot more effective than simply a face on a picture somewhere how do you see this having an impact around the world and with whom well first of all this video was sent to all of the opera houses around the world and in hope that they will not only stand with us but share share this video so that people all around the world realize what is actually going on it's it every minute counts every second counts and it's a matter of life or death for babies and children do you feel that in many ways Israeli's own story has been ignored in favor of the narratives and the stories we see coming out of the other side when we're forced to respond to these acts of evil that the truth and the horror that happened here is often eclipsed I think there is a true to what you said this we try to fight with advocating for the world to see our pain as if it's not the greatest pain that the humanity ever saw it needs to be very clear to the world that it's it's tragic it's a holocaust event in its size and we we shouldn't compare anything to anything else of course other people try this it's not our story today we tell our story to the world and I think people would have empathy with us when they hear the music and the voices it creates for those people who are still didn't choose a side they will choose a side because it touches their hearts and they will join us because they know we say something true here and I think I think people around the world should choose the right side of history that's what I think because if you look throughout history after very massive terror attacks around like 9-11 and such nobody was on the other side they were all for the us and for the victims actually so I know they're victims everywhere of innocent people but you have to see whose fault that is and who is on the right side that's definitely a strong message to the rest of the world since we're also talking to Israelis right now do you have a message for your fellow citizens right now in these times hmm keep faith be strong forget about forget about political conflicts this is a survival war and we'll only go through it together if not you know in the words of someone who doesn't really like us right now I would say together we stand divided we fall yeah and for our viewers I want to actually show the full video that was put out so you can see it in its entirety to describe the pain of parents who have had their young children kidnapped into Gaza one of those is Mayan Zinn whose two young daughters Daphne and Ella were taken into Kibbutz Nakhal Oz by Hamas terrorists who killed their father Mayan's ex-husband Noah Mayan made a painful visit to near Oz after the attack and joined with her in support from Advodadon and Erica Jackson come a little closer can I get out of the car right here's the house can you smell it I have to go inside at the gate of Kibbutz Nakhal Oz Mayan the mother of 15 year old Daphna and eight year old Ella tries to enter she's trying to get an impression of what happened to them when they were kidnapped by Hamas into Gaza last week she learned that the father of her daughters her ex-husband Noam Eliakim was found dead after he was murdered by the terrorists who broke into their home on October 7th his body was found a few hours after his wife and 17 year old son were laid to rest side by side I was in my home in the Kibbutz I woke up from rocket alert sirens I then heard unusual gunshots which were right outside my window I immediately ran to the security room and called my mom I said to her mom do you also hear gunshots it sounds really close are there terrorists she told me no and I said mom are you sure I'm telling you I can hear it it's outside my window they're here we don't understand what was happening friends called me in the morning they asked me how the situation was in the Kibbutz if everything was okay it was about eight in the morning from that moment I was on the phone non-stop with mom and Noam and Tomev video calls trying to see what was going on with them I spoke to them until half past 10 and then it was all over no one answered anymore a few hours passed and then I get a call Stove there's a live feed from your mother's Facebook their last hours were recorded in a video that is now part of the collective memory of the attack the horrific use of cameras and Facebook live streams by the terrorists in an unprecedented act of cruelty Hamas terrorists used 17-year-old Tomeir to lure other families out of the security rooms and murdered them hello open the door I will not shut I will not shut open the door I will not shut open the door I just want to get the Nakhal Os to my daughter's room I want to see my little daughter's teddy bear the big girl's dressing table to see where they sat in the video Daphna Noam Diklah Ella Tomeir I want to get there to the place from where my family was taken they want to sleep at home and woke up in Gaza what a nightmare the place they should be safest for any person in the world they were pulled out of their bed by terrorists by the most brutal murderers into hell into horror her daughters Daphna and Ella are among the only victims documented alive inside Gaza we missed them so much it's hard for me to think that they're there I don't know what's going on with them if they're okay what are they thinking if they know anything at all I will cross oceans to reach them Hamas messed with the wrong mother my girls are my life on the way to Nakhal Os we pass through the slaughter zones the fields of death and to the place is still dangerous we are stopped at the checkpoint they fear fire of anti-tank missiles on the road even after the threat was removed the soldiers received orders not to allow anyone through the threat is too real excuse me is there any chance you'll let me in who are you I'm the mother of Daphna and Ella who are kidnapped in Gaza wait a minute please finally the gate opens but in front of the house things get even more difficult the soldier who assisted us wants to spare her the terrible sides and finds himself in a heartbreaking situation I'm begging please you have to let me in Mayan I ask not I beg of you don't enter if it's hard for me I'll turn my head I'm a strong woman really if my daughter stood up to it I will stand up to it too no no no they did not see what I see now and we're about to go on break we'll be out for about three minutes when we come back we are looking at the failure to take any sort of moral position seen at the UN lack of backbone by the leaders of the so-called international community all this and more in just three minutes we'll be right back with you 1,300 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured and the war with Hamas continues we bring you first-hand testimonies from the front lines from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north get the inside scoop on what's going on only on i24 news they receive the double balance in charges of eight dollars or more thanks for staying with us we've shown you over the past hours some of the scenes of devastation some of the scenes of nightmare and massacre on the border the voices of victims and their families and evidence one piece after another of Hamas's crimes against humanity the massacre of those border towns targeting of civilians mass torture rape mutilation and still the unedited nations has the unnegated gall to equivocate to somehow imply that it was somehow justified such as a statement by UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres who directly said that this massacre and these crimes weren't done in a vacuum well now the Israeli government is demanding he stepped down in shame and they're denying UN visas the situation in the middle east is growing more dire by the hour the war in Gaza is raging and risk spiraling throughout the region divisions are splintering societies tension threatened to boil over at the crucial moment like these it is vital to be clear on principles starting with a fundamental principle of respecting and protecting civilians it is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum the Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation they have seen their lands steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence their economy is stifled their people displaced and their homes demolished their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing but the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas and those appalling attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people as we meet here today young babies children are held in Gaza this is beyond imagination a living nightmare of three 10 years old Avigail three years old Maya 17 years old Raz four years old Aviv two years old Ariel four years old Kfir little Kfir only nine months Yuval eight years old Ophir 17 years old there are just a few a few of the many children and babies that have not seen evil they have not caused evil but they are victims of evil these kids witness horror which cannot be described by word mr secretary general in what world do you live definitely this is not our world this massacre will go down in history as more brutal than ISIS Hamas our new Nazis Hamas are the new Nazis just as the civilized world united defeat the Nazis just as the civilized world united to defeat ISIS the civilized world has to stand united behind Israel to defeat Hamas and joining us now in studio is Yehuda Lankry former Israeli ambassador to France and the United Nations Yuda thanks for being with us you have a lot of experience with the United Nations is there any moral legitimacy to this body when they cannot even pass a resolution condemning a genocidal terror group yes as you said I have a lot of experience but I never saw such a poor and displaced statement coming from the secretary general had the privileged work with the secretary general Kofi Annan was a man of great morality and in such circumstances he would have strongly condemned the Hamas not on a technical way like Antonio Gutierrez did it it's really an appalling yesterday the world appalling circulated in the most of many representatives including Gutierrez himself he tied himself to a blatant contradiction starting by condemning formally Hamas telling us that it is it was an unequivocal condemnation but immediately he made a linkage between Hamas brutal attack and the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories so this was a blatant contradiction and I think very offending toward Israel in such a tragic context so to me this was really a summit of lack of judgment that was displayed yesterday by the given secretary general of the United Nations Israel has never gotten along well with the United Nations our past leaders have decried that the UN has passed more resolutions against Israel than all other nations combined and now Israel is finally seeming to say we don't care anymore UN get out they're denying visas is actually a win for Israel on that front is kicking them out in some sense something that does us good we had really in more than seven decades in the United Nations a few periods of truth in this distinguished establishment we knew some better periods by by far compared to this one but you knew we knew also much crisis in our relation with the United Nations I can say that the Israeli Palestinian Arab in part conflict were the major motivation for what they call the family of nations to condemn Israel to seek permanent condemnation and isolation of Israel in this organization but we need to be there we are part of the international community we don't forget that we got our birth in the United Nations in November 29 1947 and that we have to work for the betterment of humanity and Israel has many many fields of activity in the United Nations in terms of science education technology and all those so we are not a single issue mission Israel Palestinians but it is really an impediment to our progress in the United Nations and I hope that we have to do our best after the war with Hamas in order to help emerge a new order and try to explore some conducive revenue to peace with the Arab world and the Palestinians you heard up one of the things that we see right now is this wave of condemnation this wave of equivocation and Israel has not even begun a war in Gaza in earnest yet when Israel actually begins to fight on the ground things are going to become far worse by orders of magnitude and everybody knows it does Israel risk becoming a sort of pariah state we are permanently in a defensive partial in the United Nations and particularly in such context when the pictures of devastation in this reside are gradually replaced by Gaza devastation so the hostility of the international community takes us in such crucial situation and condemnation to condemnation the secretary of state of the US yesterday was extremely pertinent when he asked his colleagues where is your condemnation in the face of such horrific events in Israel such horrific aggression in Israel we have to make do with such a situation to try in spite of the hostility the basic hostility of the large part of the international community to continue to work to defend ourselves and at the same time to try to find a way for a settlement between us and the part of the Arab world that is not in diplomatic ties with Israel and with the Palestinians first and foremost and when it looks like as it has throughout history that the UN doesn't care for all of our best efforts and will hyper focus on condemning Israel condemning Israel's ability to defend itself from horrific atrocities ultimately what must Israel's message to the UN and the world's the whole bay as far as I see the situation till now the security council has not taken in terms of resolutions any step of condemnation and if we have to get there I'm sure that the United States of America will cast the veto that is necessary to protect Israel in such a crucial situation when the whole international community is against you and members major part of the member of security council there is only the American veto that can really rescue Israel and we are happy that our lie the United States of America stand with us and I'm sure that he will block any negative initiative in the security council us please well we're going to continue this discussion and a little bit but first we are going to take a look at the southern border where our defense correspondent Jethan Regev is standing by Jonathan it's good to have you with us you are in Ashkelon that southern border town tell us what the most recent updates are so southern southern border has been relatively relatively quiet for the past two three hours of course we have seen these reports of a rocket that was fired towards the area of Haifa some around nearly 200 kilometers north of the Gaza Strip that a rocket as far as we're hearing exploded in the air no it wasn't intercepted but exploded in mid-air this is as far as we're hearing of rockets coming out of Gaza Ashkelon which is the city that took most of the rocket since this war began has been relatively quiet for the past two days there was one one siren earlier on today but of course the residents here and there are quite a lot of them which are still here they don't leave under the illusion that this will stay for a while obviously they understand that more rockets are to come and this war is still far far from over Jonathan one of the big factors that everyone is paying attention to is that hostage situation we're hearing that Qatar Hamas's main backer both financially and materially is in ongoing negotiations to do something some sort of rescue attempt what do we know about the situation we don't know much we know that Qatar is is heavily involved and and it's playing a very sarcastic cruel double standard game on the one hand as you mentioned the supply Hamas with with financial and moral support which helped it carry out that that terrible attack on the morning of October 7th but now but now it comes a sort of to the rescue and it is holding negotiations maybe to free the hostages so it seems as if they lit the fire and then run to run to turn the fire away I mean turn it down we now know that there are negotiations Qatar is involved not not a lot of information apart from that I mean under those circumstances given that Qatar is as we've both pointed out Hamas's main financial material and diplomatic backer why should Israel have any faith in the Qatari government to be any sort of mediator in this simply because they have leverage on Hamas it is it is clear that they have leverage on Hamas Israel probably certainly after the the comments coming from Turkish president Erdogan would not want Turkey as a mediator and Egypt although it has it has in the past proved itself as a useful mediator now has far less leverage on Hamas when compared to Qatar because Qatar supplies Hamas with lots of money and simply as sad as it is there are more than 220 Israeli hostages in Gaza Israel must free them one way or another one of those ways is through negotiations through Qatar and it's important to point out to our listeners that the comments made by Erdogan not that long ago was his statement that Hamas is not a terror organization I want to get back to the Qatar situation because Qatar has leverage on Hamas who has leverage on Qatar the United States has a certain leverage on Qatar Qatar seen in Washington as an American ally let's remember there's a very big American base in Qatar therefore Qatar has good relations with the U.S. and could have a certain leverage on it but Qatar is extremely good at playing this double standard game on the one hand very good relations with the United States on the other hand very good relations with Hamas with Iran and it seems to try and play this double standard game and it's doing it quite well it's a cynical deplorable situation practically morally in every possible look at things unfortunately it's a situation we're in Jonathan thank you for that report and for the details and the updates on the southern front I'm going to turn back to Yehuda Lankry former Israeli ambassador to France and the UN one of those topics we were just discussing with our defense correspondent is that of Qatar ultimately Israel is forced to operate through Qatar because Israel has no choice right now but what sort of pressure can be brought on to bear on Qatar to make sure that they are a negotiator acting if not in good faith at least someone you can trust as far as you can throw as your correspondent Jonathan stressed it Qatar has very good relations with the United States and we have two a solid alliance with the United States so every move that we should do with Qatar should go through the United States in order to make sure that this channel is a credible channel we have to use them in order to get the freedom of the hostages in such a situation we don't have many choices they are there they can eventually help free the hostages and Israel should without many trading with them directly use the American channel in order to get this target but this is ultimately coming at a cost to Israel all these negotiations are delaying Israel's ability to actually strike Hamas once and for all where is the line drawn where is the balance point between allowing international community to try to work here and making sure that Israel can actually defeat Hamas so that this doesn't happen against that there's deterrence against others we ourselves stated that liberating the hostages is the highest priority of this campaign of course to dismantle Hamas if we can do both things that's perfect that we have really to be balanced between the two moves in order to get and to achieve our goals I have no doubt that whatever happens with the hostages that we will get Hamas dismantled in Gaza that is the main objective but let's try in parallel to activate any leverage the category one of course the United States that also are very interested by the liberation of the hostages because in Biden said that yesterday the Secretary of State Blinken repeated it so that's a complex situation but I'm confident that we will emerge victorious I'm not just breaking here there's been a breaking news report an explosion has been heard and a lot is being reported on Israel's army radio according to Hamas they're claiming to have targeted a lot with a long-range rocket if so it would certainly be one of the longer range strikes they've managed to perform over the course of the war we're going to be giving you updates on that as more information comes out until then though we are going to continue this discussion in studio of the various international angles at play in both the war and the hostage negotiation the hostage rescue attempts Yura I want to turn back to you now because one of the things that we saw is it's not just international support in the field of hostage negotiation I think a turning point a critical point was Macron's visit to Israel just earlier in the week when he says the fight against Hamas the fight against terrorism is the same as the fight against ISIS something that will require an international coalition is this a sign that perhaps there has been a shift in mentality in the west that there is a need actually intervene in this conflict and stop equivocating it's based on what the French president Macron told us here in Israel during his visit one can conclude that there is a shift in the vision of terrorism and particularly islamist terrorism by the western world it is very sharp speaking about President Biden we immediately reacted by standing with Israel in a massive way but we have seen other european leaders the german one the british one the french one coming here and assuring us of their solidarity and their support and from the french side they were the most specific speaking about why the coalition similar to this will be defeated which defeated the isis organization so it's very concrete as a proposal we have to be attentive to that and more attentive than us our enemies have to be and I hope that they got the message hope that they do i'm going to turn away from this international discussion for another painful look at the human cost of this war we turn now to eva shiel a grandmother of gideon and noah khiel who were murdered by hamas during the october 7th rampage eva i don't have words you were with us before at the time there was uncertainty there was the belief that maybe they had been captured now you've gotten the worst news how did you find this out well it took a police 12 days to contact us and first they told us that they found my granddaughter and the day after they found or identified gili my grandson so for 12 days we didn't know anything on day number 14 we buried those of them with 5000 people present he was unbelievable and that's what we have to live with now yeah during the initial the initial moments what had you heard what was the story that you had on that that first day what did you hear from them you mean the first day at the party yeah just just tell us the the full story that you're able to okay at 6 30 my grandson called his parents and said we are being attacked by rockets they had no idea that there were hundreds of terrorists running around the area and after that we never heard anything more from them either and we went looking for them their father went down to the fields my my one of my sons who was in the army went down and looked for them we thought maybe they were hiding or something we didn't find anything we went through all the hospitals in israel to try to find them and as i said after 12 days that was it how how do you at a time like this how who do you turn to who who's there to help is is there anything is what do you do i don't know i don't know what to do we're surrounded with hundreds of people the whole week we were sitting shiba there were hundreds of people coming in i think we may have lost connection yeah i know that that's because every time someone calls me and it gets disconnected are you back with me yeah we're reconnected again okay i don't know where you stopped hearing me so if you want to remind me i'll let you know it's okay you you were talking about how if anybody's been there to help in this trying time and who there is to turn to to for strength and i don't know i there are social workers and whoever it was me and whatever they called there a willing to come but there's not going to do anything for us it's something i think we have to handle ourselves say we're very lucky no i'm giving had hundreds of friends and they are around the house all the time and trying to make it easier and they have a brother who is 18 and for him we have to be strong and eventually i think we will have to get some help from psychologists or social worker but at the moment i don't think we're ready for that yet we keep very much together the family and the friends and i mean we've been sitting together now for 16 17 days and that's uh i think that's the only thing that keeps us going at the moment i don't know what's going to happen now when everyone is going to go back to their life i i can't imagine the sort of nightmare that is i don't have words but i'm glad you got at least explain to the world what's happened here israel is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking within a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped we just don't know anything entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity esta semana news 24 israel bajo ataque news 24 en espanol trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra espadas de hierro entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra la reacción de los países hispano parlantes news 24 el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en israel news 24 únicamente en i24 news we continue our rolling coverage of israel at war looking at the southern front where an explosion was recently heard in a lot hamas claiming to have launched a long-range rocket this comes after hamas terrorists attempted a seabor infiltration attack near izakim beach they were killed by israeli naval forces in that video you're seeing right now the edf says they also managed to kill another high-ranking hamas leader in an airstrike tesir mubashir commander of hamas's north con unis division mubashir served as the head of hamas's naval division and headed many of the terror groups weapons manufacturing programs meanwhile syria fired rockets towards israeli communities in the golan heights and the edf struck several syrian military targets in response fighter jets heading mortar launch sites this comes as three terror leaders hold their meeting in beirut has bullet chief hassan nasrallah sitting down with hamas's political bureau deputy head salah al-arori and zia nihara from palestinian islamic jihad nasrallah makes his first public statement since the war began and as these iranian back terror cells are discussing how to proceed the united states is preparing for a regional escalation they've sent a fighter squadron to the middle east with f-16 fighter jets and we're going to show you more evidence showing hamas's methodical planning and murderous intent behind their massacre of the border towns written orders found on dead terrorists calling jews a disease calling for beheadings and mutilation evidence being released by israel right now as the world seeks to deny or equivocate from hamas's crimes against humanity a note newly recovered off the body of a hamas attacker this is what it says the enemy is a disease that has no cure why was it so important for you to show it to us today because the world needs to understand it's not an issue of palestinians and israelis it's an issue of a crime against humanity and since this war was forced on israel the government estimates at least 200 000 israelis are internally displaced in the south their homes have been destroyed there are military evacuations on two borders and ultimately it's fellow citizens that are doing the work of looking out for their countrymen resettling them in safe areas with us now is the founder of one such group nehamat levy the founder of alino thank you very much for being with us and for the work you are doing to ensure that people have homes in this time give us a quick overview of what the situation is okay so when the war broke out the first thing we did um i have an organization called delino we all volunteers we went to assess the situation we went to the hotels and we met some of the families have been um who came from ashgulam from the recent olim from the ethiopian community and um to assess the needs um we then started um meeting different families different hotels we went to the eliam hotel and we met more families and as each day went on there were more and more families reaching out to us from oliva israel to help them um so what we broke into two different we divided our volunteers between the efforts and the hotels with the new olim from the you know who made aliyah recently from ethiopia um and some other hotels including the eliam hotels where we set up a breakfast for the um the people who came to the eliam hotel are paying with their own um their own money and they're not getting any help so they um and the hotel doesn't provide any food so we um we then bought food and we set up and we got volunteers and we've been helping them there and the other part of our organization we've been setting up um families who are calling us from all the way north and the south to find them homes to stay here um it's been a very very it's been very difficult but thank god we've been successful doing it it's been difficult because we have to reach out to people and ask them for their biggest asset which is their home in israel to share with people they don't know and they're hesitant but we've been get help from we have um 38 volunteers in our team and we reach out to people in england and all over the world and we talk to them and we convince them and we do a contract with them and the people don't pay any rent they some some people don't have to pay any expenses some other people just pay for electricity and we've been providing them apartments when they get here we then um have set up our volunteers we deliver food twice a day um we're working out of the matnaz here and um here i'm in public community center and we um get them whatever they need old essentials um then as well as that we're now doing um we're doing activities for them to help them um to help them when they're now displaced and um in their temporary homes so uh yeah what do you think this says about israeli society what you've seen in the past two and a half weeks because we've seen almost all the groundswell this up swelling of support coming from the people of israel not from the leadership itself but from the citizens right yeah so it's been really incredible we've had um incredible unity um two years ago when we helped when the um when the ukrainians made aliyah and there was they came from a war it was harder for me to get volunteers with harder for people to step up but now anything i need within 10 seconds people are helping um there's a lot of disorganization but we're doing our great effort to try to have things as organized as possible to do partnership not to have any duplication not to have any waste um when we get an apartment it's completely empty instead of going and buying mattresses and buying we go to the distribution centers where people have already donated mattresses and essentials and then only then we go and purchase what's needed after we've been to the distribution centers that we're working with so um we've had incredible incredible unity um i i i hope please god and the future that will continue having unity after the war like this but it's really been incredible what do you think is the best way for people to help you guys right now to help others right so right now what we're doing is we're doing we're raising money now for the displaced families all of us are volunteers and where um any expenses we're paying for personally and all the money that we're raising now we're giving which for the displaced families we're right right now very concerned about the day after the day after when the war is over and they now need to rebuild their homes um some people have been incredible one donor in england heard what we're doing and he called me to say listen if anyone needs appliances an empty apartment he will pay for them and then they could take it with them to their home which when they need to rebuild their home so that's that's really what we're doing now we're not only looking at day to day day to day now we're we're doing activities and we're doing um setting up um next week uh a little camp for the kids we have about uh over 50 families every day we add more families in that we're taking care of here and we um and we're just concerned about the future the day after so that's what we're um that's what that's what we're keeping in our mind as we're handling this absolute nahama i'm glad there's people like you out there that are putting the work in to ensure that there is hope that there is help for so many people displaced by this tragedy thank you for being with us share your story thank you so much thank you appreciate it yeah and since october 7th we've been bringing you tragic stories nightmares horrors pictures and images of the victims of hamas's attack on israel but it's worth pointing out that victimhood is not a virtue of the strong nor is helplessness a trait of the jewish state there have been stories of heroism and of survival that have emerged from that day one of those the story of a man we can only identify as mickey he's an officer an elite commando unit of the israeli police and and we see in this report adapted from israeli television's con news on the morning when hamas's murderers invaded his home and kibbutz nakal oz mickey put on his very own special skill set to use make sure that he his wife and his young daughter emerged from that ordeal alive and the moment that we talked to each other about the fact that she was dead i am afraid that if they come in i will not go with them there is no chance with what i have left to see all of us i said yes i will not go with them i understand that it is going to come i wanted it to come and deal with it it was very very decisive that now we are we are not going with them i want you to be able to go with them i would go with it yes i would go with it we will meet each other next year and we will not listen to each other and we will say no and so will the child we will not want you do not find me the root of mickey mickey is a small neta he said he had to give it to some of the families of many in the kibbutz that were injured in an accident they do not commit suicide in their parents' house one important event is a matter of pride and he who created the life mickey was one of the unique units of the mishtaret israel how good is it with RPG and the Kodachnikov and the rimonis well well well well how There are small holes, a hole, a hole in the wall. There's no hole in the wall. What was the second option? To hide and not to go? I didn't hide. You didn't hide? I didn't hide. We hide. The hole in the wall and the hole is actually the hole that is in the picture. Six and a half in the box. On the 17th of October, between Nakhonov and Tufesotam, when the city of Patzmar and Biltin were destroyed, they went to the Kibbutz river. Their big house was destroyed, and two nights before, they had friends in Roel. After that, they were forced to move to Mamad, and it was in a safe place. They came back home. 40 minutes later, we were about to hear the sounds. The sound of the Kibbutz. I thought it was the sound or something big. And it sometimes happens. So you realize that the sounds start to get closer to each other, and you hear the sound. Suddenly, people get more in the WhatsApp, people who have phones in their homes. You start to hear the sounds. All the sounds of Arabs everywhere. The sounds of the phones. In the sound of the Kibbutz, they were in a safe place, and no one was there. And whoever was there, was in a safe place, and if they didn't, they would run away. And we were forced to move here, and the sounds of the Kibbutz and the Kibbutz were all their own. I got my hands on Mamad, I told them they were in a safe place, in that safe place, and they didn't tell us to go out. It wasn't important. I feel something... something happening, and I was convinced it was the sound, because I'm holding the clock, and his ten minutes are filled with a lot of sounds, as much as possible. I was actually in the safe room, inside the safe room, and I realized I needed more sounds, more than just a small sound, for these days. I was in the house, in the living room, and suddenly the Kibbutz, the Kibbutz, the sound of the Kibbutz, started playing. At first, they started going one way, I ran to the other side of our safe room, I turned on the tap, I noticed that the Kibbutz was really broken, they were going to close the door, and then I just saw them, and there were three of them, and there was a sound coming from the head, these sounds, head, neck, neck, neck, neck, neck, neck, neck, neck. I also noticed their sounds, I also noticed the sound of the Kibbutz, the sound of the Kibbutz, the sound of the Kibbutz, after a few seconds, the other room, on the other side of the house, started to play. The same thing, I ran to the other room, the same sound, less the sound of the Kibbutz, and I started to play it, I turned on the tap again, and then... I heard the sounds, the sound, the sound of the Kibbutz, the sound of the Kibbutz, the sound of the Kobutz, the sound of the Kibbutz, the sound of the Kibbutz, and the different sounds, so I started to play it. I started to play it, I also had a headstrap, I understood what was happening, I played the Kibbutz, and it was a bit of a pain, to get used to it. So I went in, I played the Zigue between the songs on the Kibbutz, and then every time a person came to play the Kibbutz, they were playing on the ground without a band, without a band, I was in a car, someone came in, saw one or two, and ran away. And so we were, half an hour later, he was gone. For those who knew that he was going to be shot, they knew exactly where they were coming from, to some place in the neighborhood or to some house. They were looking for him. They wanted to take him with them. They wanted me to be shot and killed. So that was my goal. You know that? I can understand that now. Other than that? Yes. You're taking care of the house? Yes, I'm taking care of the house. There were even some water that came to us, that was in their room. They brought the mother, the mother-in-law, and told me that I was going to be shot, and that I was going to be shot, and that I wouldn't be shot here by everyone. And then they brought her child. Her child told me the same thing, and I asked her to be shot. Then, after two or three seconds, she started to run away. She told me to be shot, I was shot, I was shot. Her child was at 10 or 12. Are they taking care of her? They are taking care of her, and I hear her voice, and her hysteria. I remember that I told her that I love her, and that's it. They took her. Was she shot in the head? The shots, the shots. Come with me. Come with me. Where do you know about her? Where do you know about her? Give me. There was one more, between the 16th, that came to us. Hello. Hello. It's the police. I also understood that I had to open the door, because it's a part of them, and I'm sure that it's also a very small event that even people are there. There's no dilemma. There's no dilemma. There's no dilemma, and also in the police department, this child is shot. Is that a tumor? It's a tumor. Wow. Yes, it's a tumor. Luna, come here. Come here. Come here. I'm afraid. I'm afraid. Now, I'm afraid of people. She's not afraid. She's afraid. Come here. Come here. She looks afraid of me, because she's afraid of me. She's afraid of me. I don't know how to stop her, but she's afraid of me. She's afraid of me. She's afraid of me. She looks afraid of me. After all these hours? Yes. She's afraid of me. She's afraid of me. And there was one time when I was with my friends and the door opened, and I gave her the opportunity to get up, and she didn't open the door. I was afraid of her eyes, and I saw how much she was afraid of me. And I realized that I had to keep fighting and get rid of the fear now because she also didn't help me. Was she afraid of me? Yes, she was afraid of me. After a few hours of fighting between the terrorists, a psychological war started there, mainly. One of them was the one who brought Hamas' murder to the scene. And that made me realize that if I don't get into it now, he will break all the law. There's no one here. Not you, and not your wife, and not your child. I took this time, yes, to keep fighting, and I started to keep fighting. I told him that I'm ready to fight. I'm ready to fight. Only if he opens up for me that he won't hurt my wife and my child. And if so, I'll also have to argue that I'm a little stupid, that I'll have to fight for myself, to fight a little, to break up. I also asked him questions about Islam and the Qur'an. Why do you do these things? It's not... It's not something that... It's not something that... He's against you? He's against me. He said that we're in Islam, they don't respect people and not their children, and they don't do these things. And the English language, the Arabic language, the Arabic language. He's also against you, he's against you, and he's against you. He's against you. He knows you don't have water. You think he's talking in an intelligent way that he knows what he's doing? Right? Every word he knows he knows what he's saying. He knows what he's saying. He knows what he's doing. Yes, yes, very, very much. Someone who's prepared for it and he knows how it should be. At some point, he said, you're a joke. He told me to stop the time. I stopped talking to you. Now I'm going to talk to you, and I'm starting to talk to you later. He told me to talk to you later. And then I saw, he was standing next to his teacher, he was writing to RPG. And I saw him in everything, I saw him standing next to you. He started talking to me. He said, why are you so stupid? He told me to stop it. I'm sorry, mom. I'm talking to you. Then I started talking to you later. I remember that in ten or twelve years I was joking, and I said to him, I'm coming and I'm leaving. So he said, I want you to leave, if you still don't know what to do, you'll send me to school, you'll open the door, I'll be in school. I started talking to him to see the signs that I'm leaving the school. And then I said to him, Mom, are you sure you're not going to see me and the family that you've opened to me as a RPG player? Why do you have to be a RPG player? At that time, he was right. Then I remembered that he started to hate it. He just opened the door and ran away. Did you miss him? Yes, I missed him. And there, that's where it ended. There, that's where it ended. Tell us, how much did you fight? How much did you lose in the end? When you returned to your own home, I lost, at least, between ten and fourteen years old. Everyone who came to your house. Yes. So how much did you lose in the end, because you were successful? I lost three hundred. There were a few more, a few more, a few more. Three hundred? Are you sure you have three hundred? At least. In the end, it was a great loss. It was a great loss. And it was a shame. And I had to say this. Because many of the families and the families didn't have the right to protect themselves, or the children. For us it was a shame, maybe a bit of pain, maybe a bit of pain. I'm not a person who believes, but maybe in all this, but what if it wasn't for them? It's a bit of a hard time to say, wow, we won, because that's how much it is. Also, I'm happy, I'm not happy with my life yet. I can say a little thank you, but it's hard to say thank you, because the family is so many families in Israel. I don't feel sorry for Gibor. It's hard for me, I know some friends who have left and are not with me. You know, I got to my family in the end, so I can feel more feelings, feelings from the past. I feel happy. Very much, every day. So I sit here and I don't. But it's hard. It's hard. It's hard for me to feel at the time that maybe they don't eat or don't drink. You said you want to go back with what is so important. You said you can stay and listen to your family after what you went through, but do you want to go back? First of all, it gives a sense of security that we come and give hand to our family too. And it also has a lot of feelings, feelings of comfort. Really, comfort, to return the hopes of our acquaintances that are just simple, just like that. You can feel it from the feel, from the feeling, can you? You can feel it from the feel, it's a feeling, a feeling of comfort, comfort. The feeling that my country is my trust. It's good, it's good. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. What you did. It's not considered a fight, it's not a fight, but it's good. A country that needs more stories like that and more tales of heroism, especially at this time, that October 7th or Seventh Massacre from Hamas damaged more than just communities and people. It's also damaged the economy. So many farmers in the regions in the south have been decimated, destroyed farmers and farmer workers that were murdered, kidnapped to Gaza, and while the Kibbutz scene were in lockdown, no one could even tend to the livestock, resulting in many of their deaths. Now, two weeks later, the dairy farmers are still reeling from events as the industry tries to recover for the rest of the country. It was only four days after the Hamas massacre in the villages near the Gaza border that the dairy farmers were allowed to return to their farms to milk their cows. While terrorists were attacking his Kibbutz near its khak, Shmuel the farmer was in his dairy farm. It was Saturday I went to feed the cows. At 6.30 I heard the siren go off. As I'm used to it, I took no notice but continued working. I couldn't imagine what was going on near the Kibbutz gate. I was almost done working and on my way home, I saw the commotion. I ran home, shut myself in the safe room with my wife. We heard the terrorists around our home, and they also entered our home. It was terrifying. Shmuel's son-in-law, Tal Chayini, was taken by Hamas to Gaza while he was trying to protect his family. After the tragedy, Shmuel refused to leave his Kibbutz. Someone had to take care of the cows. I stayed to safeguard the farm. I can't abandon the animals. Secondly, my son is the dairy farm manager. He's a father of two. I couldn't allow him to stay here. If someone should stay, it should be me. The Israeli dairy farm industry relies on workers from Thailand. When Hamas terrorists entered the villages on October 7th, they murdered and kidnapped the foreigners as well. In one village, 15 people from Thailand were butchered. Now, many are planning to flee Israel. Others are prepared to stay, but not next to the border with Gaza. And few are willing to come back. I will stay in Thailand and cope with my mental health in the meantime. I have lost 10 of my colleagues. To save the remaining cows, people from across Israel have volunteered to keep the dairy farms working. Rachel immigrated to Israel six years ago. She's now a volunteer on Shmuel's farm. Because of the war and everything, everyone left. Also take care of all the animals, the cows. So that way, when they come back, they have a place home. They're still intact. Even though the area is not secure, Rachel chose to stay. The best way I could help is just honestly coming out here. So I was scared. There's some moments, definitely some moments during the day that, you know, there's a Azhaka and we're running and don't know when to come out. But it's important to be here, to come back. It was meant to be to come here and help out. And I'm happy to be here. But even with the help of volunteers, the financial damage is grave. But the volunteers remain to keep the farm afloat. It means feeding the cows and mucking them, not more. The damage is severe because we don't take care of them properly. 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