 Okay, that's great. Heavenly Father, we just thank you so much for this morning. Thank you, God, for this time where we can learn and learn from your word. God, I pray that you would just help us learn to take in and that when we hear your word, God, it's like a seed that is planted in us. And God, I pray that it would just grow and then it would produce for God. Thank you, Jesus, for helping even Pasadipika. She teaches us your word, God. Give her the word to say and the wisdom. Thank you, Lord. And Jesus, name of the word. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Oh, yes. We are almost done with Ephesians. So today we will cover chapters five and six. Yeah. Now, the midterm assessments, I will try and post sometime during this week, at least maybe by the end of the week. So, Galatians and Ephesians is what you would have as your portion for the midterm assessment. And maybe I would give a time limit of maybe three weeks or so, you know. So, you know, you would have more than enough time and moreover, it's just multiple choice questions. So, you just have to pick the, you know, correct answer. And the only condition that is laid is that students are not supposed to consult each other and just take the answers from each other. Apart from that, you are allowed to look at your notes. You're allowed to look at your Bible. You're allowed to, you know, go back to the videos and see if the answer is there in the video. You can do all of that because the idea is that you kind of revise, you know, during this whole exercise, during the midterm assessment, you kind of get to revise all the things that have been covered so far. And you also, you can also assess yourself and see how much you have, you know, grasped and retained of the theory part of it. So, I will try to put up the midterm assessment, at least by the end of this week. So, it will be on the e-platform as well. So, for those who know who would be watching it, who would be attempting this thing later. So, yeah. So, you know, just kind of keep an eye on that. And whenever that thing is posted, you can open it and start working on it. All right. So, we are now in Ephesians chapter 5. At the end of chapter 4, we kind of looked at, yeah, we didn't have time to look last time, but actually the last portion of chapter 4 is where, you know, Paul now comes to the practical instructions for Christian living. So, in the last portion, he starts off by saying that you need to put off your old self in the sense he means put off your former way of life. That's the wording that is used in the NIVI actually. In Ephesians chapter 4 verses 22 to 23, he says, you know, put off your former way of life. So, don't go back to the things that you used to do earlier, but rather he says put on a new self. And in fact, he explains what he means by a new self. He's talking about a renewed mind, a renewed perspective. So, you consciously choose to put on a new mind. You choose to think the way Christ would think. You align your thinking to scriptures. You do all of that. So, he says, in different practical ways, every single day you choose to put off your former lifestyle, your former way of living, your former way of responding to things. And now you put on a new self, you know, which looks at everything, approaches everything through scripture. You think, you ask yourself, how would Jesus deal with this? And you respond accordingly. So, he gives some practical instructions on, you know, how a believer would be putting on their new self. So, he talks about how we should not lie to each other. He talks about how when we are angry, we should not allow that anger to grow into wrong sinful attitudes. He talks about the importance of working hard and sincerely, rather than stealing the way some of them used to do earlier. So, he talks about all of those practical things. And then in chapter 5, he continues with those instructions. So, chapter 5 kind of continues these practical instructions. And there is a slight emphasis on the attitude that we should have. Even as we are doing these things. Because he's kind of moving into instructions on how people should be interacting with each other, you know, in a family setup. And so, he introduces this new idea of what kind of an attitude we should be having, even as we, you know, take up our Christian walk. So, we kind of look at that. Yeah, what do we, okay. Well, yeah, I hope that Kennedy is able to log in once again. And be able to hear what is being said. Well, yeah, yeah, he's come back. Hopefully, Kennedy, you're able to hear now. I really hope so. Oh, good. Okay, that's a relief. Okay. All right. Yeah. So, if we can have someone read out for us, Ephesians 5 verses 1 and 2. Can you read faster? Yeah. Yeah. So, he starts off now by saying that we should be following God's example. And how, in what way are we to follow God's example by walking in the way of love? You know, there's a way, there's a selfish way to walk and there is the way of love, you know, that we can use to walk our daily lives. So, he says you adopt this kind of the way of love. Now, what is this way of love that Christ adopted? You know, just to kind of reflect on that, it says Christ loved us, gave himself up for us. So, it's talking about how even though Jesus Christ was entitled legally, legitimately to having certain rights and privileges, he gave himself up, it says, you know, he gave up all of those things for our sex, so that, you know, he could sacrifice himself for us. So, the way of love, even though it is entitled, even though the person is entitled to something, you know, legally, that is the privilege which they have been given. It belongs to them, but they choose to give up those privileges, they choose to give up those rights to instead walk in the way of love, where they are placing the other person's interests, you know, before their own interests. So, if we, you know, if we were to look at, okay, maybe we can get to that later. You know, because you have this Philippians passage, right, where it talks about how, you know, Jesus Christ, even though he was equal with God, he still chooses to humble himself. Okay, he chooses to, okay, we'll get into that a little later, maybe when we are talking about this whole passage about how Christ submitted to the Lord and all of that. All right, so for now, it's enough if we can, you know, think about the way of love as being a way where you choose to give up your rights and your privileges, and you make, you sacrifice those things for the benefit of others, for the, you know, well-being of other people. So, when we do that, it says that that is like a fragrant offering to the Lord. So, the sacrifices that you are willingly making just to help other people, just to benefit other people, those sacrifices are like a fragrant offering that you're giving to the Lord. So, in following all these instructions which are now given, you know, chapter 5 onwards, this is the basic attitude that we would be adopting where we would choose to act in the way of love. Yeah. So, if we can have someone read out, you know, these instructions, there are quite a few of them. We can maybe go all the way from chapter, from verse 3 up to verse 7, because there's something very important being mentioned over here. So, I think maybe it's good for us to read these particular instructions. Verse 3 to verse 7, please. But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it be, not be once named among you as becoming saints, neither filthness nor foolish talking, nor justing, which are not convenient, but rather giving of thanks. But this, you know, that no poor mongrel, nor unclean person, nor covetous man who is an idolator had any inheritance in the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words for because of these things, come at the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not you, therefore, the partakers with them. Now, this particular passage is saying a lot of things. And yeah, you know, at least for this particular passage, maybe a simpler English would have helped because the words which are used in the KJV, we would not even understand what those words are meaning in our, you know, current day English. So he's basically targeting three specific kinds of sin over here. And in fact, he says that, you know, even if a believer, because you see he's very much talking to believers over here, he says a believer who's indulging in these three things, you know, there's a danger that he may not inherit the kingdom of Christ. So it's something very serious that he's talking about over here. And, you know, if we were to look at it, look at these three things using the other, you know, Bible translations where the wording is more simple, we see that he is targeting, you know, he says there must not be even a hint, you know, it says in NIV. There should not even be a hint of these three things. And what are these three things? One, of course, is sexual immorality. And then it goes on to say any kind of impurity is the second one. And the third one is greed. So, and then the same thing is repeated again in verse five, the same three things. It talks about immorality. Again, it talks about impurity, and it talks about greed. And in verse five, it explains the reason that such a person, you know, may not even inherit the kingdom of Christ is because these three things are equal to idolatry. These three things are almost equal to idol worship. So a person knows, you know, if they turn their back on Jesus Christ and they go back to worshipping the idols, you know, that they used to worship earlier. It's a very clear indication that they no longer want to be part of Christ. So we know idolatry would obviously not be regarded as something acceptable by the Lord. So here Paul is saying these three things, if you do them, that is also equal to idolatry and you are in danger. So he says there should not even be a hint of these three things in your life. Okay, so that's the warning that he's issuing. Sexual immorality, we know, you know, any sinful action that is going against the commandments that are set down in the Bible, you know, regarding sexual relationships and all of that. But what does it mean? What does the second one mean? It just says any kind of impurity. So over here, I think any kind of impurity is talking about the things which are mentioned in verse four, where the person has not committed an act of immorality, but other things, things which are indecent or offensive, you know, like here in verse four, it talks about, you know, cheap talk where, you know, course jokes are being used. So that kind of offensive, indecent talk and actions, you know, even maybe dressing, cheap form of dressing, you know, all of those things. I mean, by doing those things, how are we representing ourselves? You know, if we are showing ourselves as being part of the world, and we are doing this on a habitual, regular basis, because our conscience is not even pricking us regarding these things. It goes to show that maybe we have, you know, turned our back completely on the Lord and His ways and what He regards as good. So it wants us against immorality. This passage wants us against other kinds of impurity. And the third is greed, where your obsession with something is so strong that you love that thing more than you love the Lord. And usually, of course, greed, you know, is what we would use with reference to money, with reference to status, with reference to material things. You know, so you gather all those things just to show yourself as being great. You gather all those things because you love material things and you're ready to even, you know, bend the Lord's commands just to accumulate those things. So when we indulge in these three things, Paul wants that it's almost equal to idolatry. And so we are told in verse 5, four of this you can be sure, you know, it's the wording used over there, of this you can be sure, no immoral, impure or greedy person, such a person is an idolator, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. And then in verse 6, it goes on to say, let no one deceive you with empty words. Okay, so people may, you know, argue and say these are very human things, these three things are very human. It's like humans are programmed to, you know, do these three things. So if you slip up in these three areas, it's all right, it's a human thing to do. It's an okay thing to do, you know, it's what people may come and say to us. And so here Paul wants in verse 6 and he says, let no one deceive you with empty words, you know, because whatever they may be saying to support this kind of activity, the fact remains that God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient in these areas. So people who are indulging in these things are automatically under the judgment of God, irrespective of what kind of words and arguments they are using to support what they are doing. So these three kinds of sin are insupportable. Whatever argument you may use to back up what you are doing, the fact remains that God's judgment is literally hovering upon the people who are doing these three things. And therefore he says, do not be partners with them. So if there are people who are kind of, you know, excusing this kind of activity and saying that it is okay that it is all right, then it is better for us to break our partnership with them so that they don't drag us into sin and, you know, literally drag us into hell along with them. It's a rather serious matter. So this very strict warning is given after he talks about how we should be living in the way of love. So one of the things about the way of love is this where we choose to sacrifice anything which would even give a hint of these three things. We completely cut ourselves from such things. We sacrifice all of such things so that we would be like a fragrant offering to the Lord. And then he goes on to talk about, you know, relationships in the family. So you have a rather few, you know, instructions given there, but then, you know, just quickly to get into the versus 21 onwards. So maybe we could have one person read out versus 21 to 24 please. If someone could please read out versus 21 to 24. Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves on husband as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife. As Christ is the head of the church. His body of which is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Yeah. So this section on, you know, relationships in the family, it starts off with this, with these words, verse 21, where it says submit to one another. Okay. So here, here very specifically, it's talking about husbands and wives, and it says submit to one another. And why should you be doing that? Why should you submit to one another out of reverence for Christ? So then it goes on to talk about the wife submitting to the husband. So our versus 21 and the other versus which follow contradicting each other. Because we get the impression from verse 22 onwards that it's only the wife who should be submitting. But the opening words, the very opening sentence, it says submit to one another. As though God is saying that even the husband should in a way submit. Now it does not seem to make sense. It almost looks like a contradiction. And so it kind of helps us to understand in terms of Jesus Christ and his relationship with the church, just to understand in what sense, you know, Jesus Christ submitted. So yeah, maybe now we could kind of, you know, bring in that Philippians chapter two passage and look at how Jesus Christ dealt with this whole issue of submission. And we see that right? It's just mainly a very sacrificial thing that he does an act of service that he does. So if we could have someone read out for us, Philippians chapter two versus five to eight, Philippians two five to eight, please. Can I read? Philippians two five, let this be in mind in you, which is also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant and coming in the likeness of this. And and being found in a period as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Yeah, we someone could also read out Mark chapter 10 verse 45 Mark 10 45. Yeah. Even the sermon came not to be served but to serve and to give his life as an answer for All right, it's for many. Okay. Yeah. So here we see, you know, in Philippians chapter two verse five, it almost is saying the same thing which, you know, we just saw in efficiency in your relationships with one another. Have the same mindset as Christ Jesus in efficiency says have the same way of love which Christ is using. So that's the way we should be conducting our relationships. And then it goes on to explain in verse six that Jesus Christ was in the very nature God. He was equal with God and knowing fully that he is equal with God. You know, with God the Father, he chooses to submit to God the Father. Okay. So status wise, he is completely equal to the Father and fully knowing what his status is, he voluntarily chooses to submit to the Father. And to what extent does he submit to him? You know, it goes on to say that, yeah, he did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage. And so he says he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a do loss. Okay. So NIV tries to avoid the word slave in a whole bunch of places and maybe because it may be NIV people feel that, you know, we will kind of get the wrong idea if the word slave is used. Because slaves were not treated in the way they were, you know, in the USA back then when they had that whole system of human slavery. So maybe NIV people are worried that when we think of the word slave, we would think of slavery in that kind of a sense because slaves back in biblical times were not really considered as something lower or something really bad. In fact, if you look, you know, Abraham, if Abraham had not had a child, his slave would have inherited all of his property. So slaves will almost like family members who have, you know, pledged themselves to serve and be part of that household for the rest of their lives. So a slave is not necessarily a bad thing, but a slave is in complete utter total submission to the master in the sense they're not going to get paid. So they are dependent on the master for their food supply. They are dependent on the master for all decision making. So in that sense, they have no freedom of their own. They are completely dependent and at the mercy and under the, you know, control of their masters. And so over here, Jesus Christ, he empties himself to the extent that he takes on the very nature of a slave. So Jesus Christ in status, he knows that he is completely equal with the father and knowing his status, having full awareness of his equal status. He voluntarily chooses to submit himself to the father to the extent that he becomes almost like a slave. And having become a slave, choosing, voluntarily choosing to become a slave and, you know, to be someone who is serving, he serves to the point. He humbles himself to the point of death. You know, we looked in Galatians how the most degrading kind of punishment that was available at that time in that society was the death of the cross. No one would even like to mention the word cross because it was considered a bad word and Jesus was willing to humble himself to that extent. So this is the mindset that we are being asked to have in our relationships. So it says in Philippians chapter 2 verse 5, in your relationships with one another have the same mindset as Christ Jesus. And we also looked in Mark 10 45 where it is explained to us that what was the mindset of this Jesus Christ. It says, this Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life. So he did not come to be served, but he came to serve and to give his life. So in that sense, even the husband over here is being asked to submit. So the husband chooses to serve his wife because he recognizes that he is the slave of Jesus Christ. So in that sense, all humans, I mean all believers, humans I suppose they are under the slavery of sin and Satan. But we believers are supposed to be slaves. Paul uses the term bond servant. At least that's the English translation. It just basically means slave. So believers are supposed to be the slaves of Jesus Christ. So the husband recognizes who he is, he recognizes that he has volunteered to become, nobody forced him. At the point of salvation, it's a choice that he made. He said, yes, now onwards I choose to have Jesus Christ as my master and I will be his willing slave. So he recognizes this position that he has voluntarily taken upon himself to be a slave to Jesus Christ. Like it says in Ephesians chapter 5 verse 21, out of reverence for his master, out of reverence for Jesus Christ, he chooses to submit to Christ and serve his wife. In the same way the wife of course is also instructed to show reverence to her master Jesus Christ by submitting to her husband in all things. So both of them are doing this submitting to one another, recognizing the fact that they both are slaves of Jesus Christ and they must revere him in the way they treat one another. So all that is said in that passage rests upon this basic fact that they are doing it out of reverence for their Lord and Master Jesus Christ. So from there if we move on into the next verse, maybe we can look at the rest of the verses and then we will connect the whole thing together. So if someone could read out verses 25 to 28 please, 25 to 28. Husbands love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her having cleansed her by the washing of water with the water, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor without scot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without rematch. In the same way husband should love their wives as their own bodies, he who loves his wives loves himself. Okay so here it is explained, it goes on to explain how the husband is serving his wife and how she is supposed to be submitting to him. So the explanation for that is given by comparing the relationship that Jesus Christ has with the church. So we see that Jesus Christ, he serves the church to edify it, to build it up. He talks about how he has cleansed it and how he has presented the church to himself as a radiant church. So he has chosen to sacrificially build up the church. In the same way the husband over here is urged to serve his wife in such a way that he edifies her, that he builds her up. So his main function is supposed to be to serve her in such a way that she is built up, so that she is blessed and benefited. On the other hand, the wife, now what is her role? It is supposed to be the same role as that of the church. If the church says, Lord we don't want to abide in you, we don't want to submit to you, we don't want to cooperate with you, then the Lord is unable to edify us. So we choose to submit to him, we choose to cooperate with him so that he can edify us, so that he can build us up. So we understand, we realize that what God has in his heart for us is godly and good. And we willingly choose to submit and cooperate with Jesus Christ so that he can bless us and build us up. Now here we are told that the wife should have the same attitude. I suppose that will come in, not able to find the exact verse, just a minute. Verse 28. Pastor your mute. I am so sorry. Yeah, it must have got muted on its own. So yeah, Ephesians chapter five, the last verse it says, you know, a wife should respect her husband. So not only is she submitting to him, it's the attitude with which she submits. Okay, so the church does not submit to Christ grudgingly, you know, resenting him, you know, being angry with him. We do it out of an attitude of trust. We trust our Lord and Master Jesus Christ. And so, trustingly, with deep respect, you know, we submit to whatever he says. And so here the wife is being asked to submit with that kind of an attitude of respect. Now, having understood this, the husband should be selfless, he must serve and he must serve to build up his wife. And having understood that the wife must submit and cooperate so that the husband is able to build her up. He cannot do that if she is refusing to cooperate. And so in fact, she's harming herself if she does not submit. So it is good for her to submit and trust and respect her husband so that he is able to fulfill his role of serving the entire family. So they need to cooperate with each other in doing this. But what happens if a person, a couple is in a marriage where the husband is completely self-centered and he is not at all interested in serving his wife or any of the family members. He only thinks about his own interests or what if he is violent, what if he is that kind of a person? Then what would the wife do? She would continue to have reverence for Christ. Because the opening line that's what it said, we submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. So she continues to be submissive and show respect to her husband out of reverence for Jesus Christ. And he is the one who will edify her and build her up. The husband is failing to do his part. He was supposed to be the instrument through which God would build up the wife and edify her and all of that. But now he's unwilling to cooperate. The husband is not cooperating. He is ungodly or maybe he's not even a believer. So she just continues to perform her role. She continues being submissive and respectful in her attitude knowing that the Lord will take care. So the Lord will edify her and build her up. In the same way, what does her husband do? If his wife is refusing to cooperate, if she is being very domineering and she is being very disrespectful, he chooses to continue serving lovingly because out of reverence for Christ. So he just continues performing his role. And then because of his obedient attitude towards Jesus Christ, the Lord will build up his home. It would be much easier for him to build up his home if he had his wife's cooperation. If he could take decisions for the family with her active support. But if she is being domineering, if she is being disrespectful and she is not cooperating, he is going to find it difficult to build up his home, build up his family, take the decisions for the family because he does not have a cooperation. But because he is continuing to maintain an attitude of love, the Lord will build up that family. He will help, he will intervene. So the husband and wife can have this deep assurance that as long as they are living in reverence to Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ will take care. So the one exception which is usually mentioned is with regard to the wife. If her life is in physical danger, if she is being violently being physically attacked, then it is good for her to leave. She no longer has to submit to physical abuse. She has the freedom to leave and seek protection elsewhere. In fact, she has the right to even take legal action to protect herself. So in that case, submission is not required. And the other exception which is always mentioned is that if the husband is asking her to do something which goes against biblical values, again in that case she would not submit because she would submit to Jesus Christ. And whatever he has said. So if the husband is saying, don't pay the taxes, show false figures and asking her to bend scriptural principles in some way, she would say no. In these things they cannot submit because I must stand up for Jesus Christ out of reverence for him. So except for these two things where she would not need to submit it would be good if she can be respectful in other things. Trusting Jesus Christ, trusting him to take care of whatever lack they may be. The same with even the husband, whatever lack they may be in his wife. He chooses to continue doing his role because he trusts that Jesus Christ will ultimately take care of his family. So we need to have that kind of an attitude of obedience and trust. Then in the next chapter it talks about relationships with children, relationships between parents and children. And that maybe we can have someone read out verses 1 to 3. Yeah, someone could please read out 1, 2 and 3. Children, obey your parents and the Lord for this is right. Honor your father and mother which is the first commandment with a promise. So it may go well with you and that you may enjoy a long life on the earth. Amen. So it says here that this is the first commandment with a promise. So if the children choose to obey their parents then it says that it will go well with them. God will see to it that everything goes well with them. So children are meant to obey the Lord and then it goes on to say in verse to honor your father and mother. So as the children grow up, as they stand on their own feet and they learn to support themselves and they move out of the family unit. Now they are no longer under the full control and authority of their parents. So at that point of time they may choose to obey certain things and they may choose not to obey certain things because now they are accountable to God directly. They are now running their own families. So they may no longer obey their parents in all kinds of decision making but they would have to continue honoring them. So when it comes to younger children who are still under the authority of the parents, they would have to obey them in everything. But after they stand on their own feet and they are no longer under the parents covering but now they are directly accountable to God and they are under his covering. Then they may not obey any longer in all the decisions that the parents take but they would have to continue maintaining an attitude of honoring the parents. So if younger children and the grown up children have this right attitude, it says God will see to it that everything goes well for them and that they would enjoy a long life. So that's the promise that is made. Yes, Brother Shai, go ahead. I actually have three questions but let me just stick to one or two. Let me just say two. Verse chapter six. So it says children obey your parents in the Lord. I have heard some preachers say this is parents, spiritual parents in the Lord. I do not negate the fact that this is not just restricted by a logical parents. Well, I want to say literally from scripture, does this mean in the Lord pertaining to things that align with Christ we should obey? Or does this mean parents who attempt to be spiritual parents that we obey them? I don't know which of them. And then in that case, therefore, how does a child or how do children, which is my second question, how do children, you know, navigate their way with them? With their parents who are unbelievers, yet they still have to obey them. But there are certain things they're told to do that are completely opposite of the expectations of Christ. How does such a person still obey or not their father and mother in this case? Those are just two questions. Thank you. Yeah. So, yeah, of course, you know, what you said is right because over here it very clearly says obey your parents in the Lord. So anything that the Lord does not approve of and the parents are asking you to do something that is not approved by God, then obviously you would not, you know, need to obey in those things. So you would only obey your parents in the Lord as long as the things that they are asking is in line with the scripture. You would obey. For instance, you know, especially in our Indian context where you have, you know, people from idolatrous backgrounds. So if the parents are saying, you know, you have to go and do the puja, you know, you have to participate in the idol worship. Then the children can say, can choose to say no, I will not participate in this because now I have become a follower of Jesus Christ. So they would not obey those things which are not in the Lord and regarding spiritual parents. Here, this particular passage, you know, if we look at the overall context is very much talking about a biological family. But of course, the principles apply because you have other Bible passages which talks about how we need to, you know, submit to those who have been placed in authority over us in the church setup. So yes, in that sense, we do submit to those who are above us, who have been placed by the Lord himself above us, you know, in the church setup. And they are imparting to us in that sense, they are spiritual parents. But we wouldn't take this particular passage and apply that, you know, to those church relationships because it kind of gets complicated then. Because you see in a family unit, those children are under the covering of the parents and the parents are the ones who are slogging day and night and providing for them and taking care of them. And these children have a responsibility towards those parents. They can't be going around doing their own thing. In a church setup, you know, we all are kind of under the mentoring of our spiritual parents and leaders. But then we all run our own family units and we take decisions regarding personal matters on our own. I mean, no church leader should actually come to us and order us and say, you know what, I don't think your family should be going on this particular holiday. I think all of you just come and sit in the church and fast and pray. It's a choice that you would make with your family, whether you want to go ahead on your vacation or you want to join in the church prayer for that particular month. So church leaders who begin to interfere in all kinds of personal matters saying that I am your spiritual parent and so you must do what I say. That becomes a little bit dicey. So I would not use this particular passage to talk about spiritual parenting. So here it's talking about kids who are living in that parent's home and those parents are doing their best to be godly parents and provide for those kids and all of that. Those kids have an obligation to their parents. They must respect them. They must obey them. So one day when that child grows up and stands on his own feet and goes and gets a job and says, you know, see, now I'm living on my own. I have my own family unit. Fine. You know, now he's grown up. Let him continue to honor his parents, but he can take his own decisions and which job to take up its city to move to. You know, the parents say, no, no, you have to stay in the same city with us. He can choose, you know, prayerfully to either take their advice or he chooses to move out. So I would prefer to use this passage only for biological families because when you start applying it too much to spiritual parents and the entire church setup, it could get very complicated. It could open the door for spiritual leaders misusing their spiritual authority. And that is the reason why I would not use this passage in that context. Yeah, we have another person Charles raising his hand. Yeah, maybe you can ask your question and then we'll take a break, you know, and we can discuss the answer after that. Go ahead. Yes. It's not a question, Pastor. Excuse me. Can you hear me? Oh, perfectly. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. It's not a question, but I was trying to respond to what Christopher was asking. I think it was Christopher about children or being their parents and whether they are spiritual children, parents or biological parents. The whole thing is coming from the Old Testament in the book of Exodus. Moses receiving the Tablets and bringing and the first command that has a promise is that command of children or being their parents. And now when Paul says in the Lord, it continues to be parents that are biological, but now what the children are supposed to obey are godly. For instance, when you have a child and then you tell the child, maybe you are a man and you tell your child that come and we sleep as husband and wife. Yes, the child is supposed to obey you, but that is not godly. Then that means the child will not obey that, will disobey that. So the things that Paul is talking about that children obeying your parents in the Lord, it is in that perspective that there have been things that are going to give God the glory. But also when it comes to the spiritual parents, even when they become spiritual parents, then they are going to do something that is ungodly. Then the children are not supposed to obey. We have heard some of the pastors who are sleeping with the people they are ministering to. They are not supposed to do that. You are giving an example of a wife who is supposed to obey the husband. But in the Lord again, if a husband tells the wife that do not pay taxes, the wife will not do that. The wife will be able to pay taxes because is an example of obeying the authorities. So that is my input that they wanted to put across about children obeying their parents in the Lord. I submit. Very true because the same principles apply when it comes to spiritual parenting as well. So only if there is something in the Lord that they are advising, then we choose to act on that. Just to kind of point out, in spiritual parenting it is the advice which they are giving. They cannot issue commands and orders. That would not be right. There is a limit to spiritual parenting. You cannot order and command. You are talking to grown-ups who are responsible to the Lord. There are limits and boundaries which spiritual parents should maintain. They should not become dictators controlling the people that God has placed under them. We will go for a break and we will come. 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