 The best kind of doors are the doors you have to explain. All right, welcome, welcome to Unhinged. With the door door today, we do have a very special guest, Mr. Allen Lilly. Ready, all set. This is also from my trip to Eugene. We did a little weekend getaway though. This one is actually at a concert hall. So keep that in mind. Oh no, very good. All right, the concert hall. So we've got it, we've got an assembly. I've got a capacity of hopefully several hundred if it's a concert hall, otherwise it's really a concert. Yeah, no, it was, it was at least three or 400, maybe 500 capacity. So there is precisely one time that I can think of in the 20-some-one years I've been doing this, where I found this to be an acceptable answer. It was because they led to a stairwell at a mall. And so you're on the second floor of the mall and led to a stairwell. And then down at the bottom of the stairwell that we dumped out onto the street, the street was being torn up. You're like all the sidewalk was gone and there's a big drop off outside. So the higher hazard would have been trying to get out of that stairwell once you got it. But we covered the exit signs. And we put signs up and said, the actual exit is over here. We directed traffic away from it. Not just said, hey, here's an exit. Just kidding. Okay, so I see Von Dupren concealed vertical rod. I see a really odd application of narrow style. It's the 33 or the 35 series. Concealed vertical rod always makes me happy. The rods don't get damaged. They don't get bent. They don't get hit with parts. They tend to laugh a little bit longer. So through those on the single motion egress, I would like to see a million in here. I don't know. I forget who it was. There was one of the manufacturers, many of them did a study and they took a double opening like this, right? We got two people. And they timed how long it took people to get out. Then they put a million in it. And basically what they discovered is that people aim for the center of the open. So when both doors open, despite the fact that it's a six foot opening, people will still single file it. So if you put a million in the middle, instead of one six foot open, you've got two, three foot open. And you've got a much faster method of egress. So I would like to see a million. Yeah, no, I've heard that study also. I think I heard it through foundation training. Or I don't remember where, but someone did a study and more people exit in a timely manner when a million is set in place, even though you would think it'd be counterproductive because they're blocking the way. But in reality, it just makes people go into two lines. Yeah, exactly. Right, it forces the two lines. We as a people, we aim for the center of whatever we're looking. So yes, it's a six foot wide opening, but it's actually only, it actually needs to be three feet because you're only gonna get a similar line, maybe a double line of people through, but probably not. Whereas with a million in the middle, you will absolutely get two lines of people and it will actually go faster. So that's why I would like to see a million, but that's not the end of the world. Is that a nice stand and the carpet in front of the exit? It's a piano bench. It's a piano bench. Yeah, yeah, it's a piano bench and some carpet. Yeah. So we're just pulling out like a straight up Dick Van Dyke show and we're gonna like make people go this way and make them trip over a piece of furniture and hopefully they did a little spin and flip and keep walking out and don't get trampled in the meantime. Do we know why it's no exit on the other side? I have no idea why they would not, this lead outside, I didn't go to that side of the building. Maybe they were doing construction or something out there, but from this point of view, it's an exit, but it's not an exit. This is not a door. This is not a door. If the higher heaven was on the outside of this wall, right on the outside of this building for somebody to do that construction, whatever it is. I would expect the exit sign to be covered up and I'd expect like a lot of signage, like a really big sign across the story that says go this way instead. Actually, don't even know what it would take to make that acceptable because it's an assembly hall and there's so many people that potentially could need egress. I guess you just have to make sure you had enough openings to be compliant elsewhere in the respectable area, right? Well, as a smart builder, we'll take the number of required openings and the distance between the required openings and et cetera and they'll add a safety factor or session occasion, right? So if I'm building a building and I have to have a door or I'm building comfortable and I have to have a door that would get X number, I think it's number of dozen feet or whatever, exit, 300 feet per round number. I'm going to put a door every 80 fans. It's going to cost me three more doors in the building, but it means that I can close one and still do the work. Do they all do that? No, would I do that? Yes, but they're not a bad thing. You're a smart builder. But not everyone thinks like you, Alan. Actually, I would say you are a rare breed. Yeah, it's one of those basic code compliance issues, right? Well, the code says that we have to have nine doors, we have nine doors, yes, but if we put 11 doors in, then when something has to be closed for construction or whatever, we can still be compliant, we have a little bit more flexibility and what's an extra, what's an extra two doors on the budget line over the cost of the system? So that's, yeah, if there was a legitimate reason to have those fans, you have to be pretty convincing. That's the thing. I would want to see the end of the sign block, I would want to see big sign, and go this way instead. Not just no exit, right? Okay, so I can't leave here. So then what? What do I do? Because I'm expecting to throw a little bit of panic in there because, you know, panic at the disco and all of a sudden I have to get out. And then what? And that's how we end up with lessons learned from life. I don't want to say the club in Chicago, but I know, yeah, the one where the, the exit signs were like you couldn't see them, right? They were coming, right? Yeah, yeah. So you end up with kind of the opposite problem of that, of like people getting to the door, they can't get out, they still don't know what to do, they still don't know where to go. Like the doors work properly. Like they were, they were there, just people can find them, right? So exactly the same, exactly the same kind of sexual problem. So the hardware itself, right? The actual setup, sure, but let's not put stuff in front of it, of course. And then let's cover it up, what the action needs to be. And then the fact that the no exit is less visible than the exit also leads me to think that this is possible, probably just a, we would prefer if you don't go up this door. I would rather see emergency exit only, please use front door sign, right? That might be a more, that might be more appropriate signage for us. You no exit, no. Or maybe like some, some large man named Jeff just standing there saying, I strongly encourage you to use a different door, right? Maybe that's, maybe that's the solution. That would be a better solution than this, right? One door is mainly not blocked here. So really aren't you getting the same people out, the same number of people out the door? Except for triple that. Except for that, you're theoretically right. Theoretically speaking. In that case, there'll just be a pile of bodies on that side. So then you go out the other side, right? And then it's a clear indication of don't use that door. Don't make your issues my issues. That's a them problem, not any problem. But also Benji, you know me in an emergency, I'm going out that door. Actually, I'm probably looking out that door anyway, even not in them. And I would absolutely open that door and just to find out. It doesn't say alarm will sound. Sounds like we're investigating. Yeah, no, there's no like electrified system set up here. Yeah. Why not? Why not? Actually, people were entering one of these doors not too far away. So it's like on a wall of doors. So it makes me think they just don't want people exiting out of this entrance, even though all the other ones had no exit on it as well. Do you think something is going wrong with the latches, like the top and bottom bolt in the side that has the bench in front of it and they need it serviced? And so they don't want people messing with this particular door. Oh, it's not that deep. Okay. Why is the bench not in front of both doors? So I can just put stuff here because I'm going to put it down because people just put things down, right? I'm just going to put this down here. It's not actually a door. So it doesn't matter because it says no exit on it. It's probably something stupid. Like this is where the band unloads and they tend to idle the, they tend to idle their trumpet while they're unloading. And so if we have the door open, it lets exhaust in and then it sets off the smoke detectors, right? Like it's probably something as stupid as that. And that's why they put no exit on it. Or if there is an issue with these doors and they're not latched properly, so they want to keep them latched. And so if someone exits and then it doesn't latch properly, then someone could gain access to it potentially. I don't know. There's a lot that could be happening here. And Eugene, there is a lot of roaming population, homeless population around in that area as well. This is downtown, Eugene. So potentially you could have people pulling on doors trying to look for a warm place to sleep. So... So if it is, I mean, if it's a hardware issue, fix it and then make this go away. But again, much better ways to do this. I think it's just a convenient sink. Like we just don't want you to go out this door, but... Were any of the other doors that you could see marks like this? Yeah, all of them had no exit on it. All of them? Yes, on this whole wall. There's probably, actually, there's two other sets of this same setup that said no exit. That's slightly more terrifying. Because I did a lot. And this was like just outside of like the main way that you go up into the concert hall. So people would be running down these stairs and going out, hopefully, these doors. And yeah, or they go out the other side of the entrance. But we know, Alan, I mean, we all know that we prefer, like naturally we want to go out the door that we came in unless we can't and we'll look for another exit, right? Yep, yeah. No bueno. Okay, if you were to give it a knocking score, what do you think? Oh, this is six. Six? It looks good and it theoretically functions well, but there's the human factor to this one gives me a six. Yeah. I was gonna, I am in like the six, seven range because it looks like it's good. So it's just move some stuff out, retrain. You know me. I feel like I say that every episode now. There's retraining that needs to happen. People need to know about doors. Looks like it should be an easy solution. I'm with you. I don't think it's too knocking bad. I think in the case of emergency, people would find a way out of this building. I don't think there's, it's not like it's locked or anything like that. Yeah, there's a piano bench in the way that people might trip over if they're panicking. You know, that's just a souvenir to an opportunistic person like you. It's right here by the door stage. You just pick it up and take it with you. Take it with you. So not too knocking bad as far as we can tell. So I'm with you, probably a six or a seven there. Yep, I like it. All right. Well, Alan, I think this final door, if the first one really bothered you, this final door will probably, I'm sorry. If you wanna be featured on a future episode of Unhinged or if you have some pictures to submit, you can leave us a note below or you can email me at Mia at doorhardwarenerds.com.