 we welcome you back to our celebratory benchmark of our 250th show and you are about to be our 13,235 viewer. So thank you for that. And we is us broadcasting across the globe back to our Honolulu, Hawaii with you, the Soto Brown in your Bishop Museum, hi to Soto. Hello everyone. And me here, host Martin Despang have run the world near Munich, Germany. And we continue to have to broadcast under almost unprecedented circumstances of climate change. Coronavirus still lingering around in civility at threat through wars all over the world. And one added, which is rather relatively close to me here near Munich, Germany. So that's the circumstances. And we're using me over the summer as the Soto to reach out into the world and see what we can learn for the better in best cases. And so when we get to the first slide we have been in Zurich recently and then we have been addressed last week and on the way returning to Munich, we stopped by here, which is the former cold pots are formerly heavy steel industry in Germany that isn't as productive and active anymore. Everything had to be converted. And we're revisiting a project here that we had been looking at before actually at the beginning of the year as far as evidence-based design post occupancy evaluating life cycle assessment of public transportation because in wrapping up our report on the midtown flunk area around the Alamoin Amal which one of the legs of development was supposed to be our heavy rail but we have to wait for a little longer to even it coming to this area, right? So that's why we're maybe looking into this one here. This is not elevated. This is actually underground. And I think we talked before the Soto once I was at Costco Iliwa location close to you and there was a guy chatting me up and he said, he's an engineer, we started talking and he said, you know, Martin for the same money of this elevator train you could have actually put it on the ground and you might immediately be thinking, well, okay we're a coastal ride and we're a lava rock but he said there are other parts of the world where that is equally the case. So, you know, maybe but now I guess it's delayed for that but what it's not too late is to talk about the attractiveness of public transportation especially in these days of that these crises are intertwined, right? And the fossil that it all comes down to basically makes it, you know people used to move out west on Oahu to live cheaper because even driving all the way back to Honolulu was still cheaper than the high cost of living housing-wise in Honolulu but that changes now with gas prices being through the roof. There are like more than five gallons over there with you DeSoto, right? Yes. And they're like they are equivalent of seven, seven half dollars here in Germany. So public transportation, you know is then maybe an alternative here the government has just started an initiative that's called a nine euro ticket. So you pay nine euros flat for a month and you can travel anywhere with any public transportation. So metros, subways, trains, communal trains the only thing you can't use is the very convenient and high speed ICA inner city express that is unfortunately still for the more well off people but all the other people can now have a cheaper ticket but we currently have our second youngest son on his Odyssey back to Wurzburg which is two hours usually with the ICE he's like more than six hours he has to do a couple of train changes and stuff like that which is sort of not fun. So it's well meant, good ambitions but again it's not quite figured out but what else can we learn from this project DeSoto that we haven't been looking at before when we were there in the winter? Well, if I'm remembering correctly you said that you had never seen this at night? Is that correct? That shame on me that is correct I never took or had the chance I always was in a rush and had to go through at daytime and as you see at the bottom left this is us now we visited the big boys and their ladies there and we were reporting in Zurich from an unusual tropical night temperatures which they're always in Honolulu up in the 80s and this is rare here and we hit it again here in Bochum which is that city here so it was a very sort of a warm night with people out and that's what the picture at the bottom sort of captures that we said it almost feels like well maybe not quite exotic but maybe not quite tropical although the temperature was like that but exotic there's a tackle restaurant in the back with a saguaro cactus sign there is this construction going on still not the station but around it the street work and they have this trailer with some green graffiti on and there is actually people sitting outdoors which we encourage people should do more in Hawaii we can do this all the time and the pandemic actually as bad as it is has helped to foster outdoor sitting and eating quite a bit see the people there with their candle in their little glass lantern and glass lantern is in big scale what that project becomes at night right, it glows yes and we need to point out to everybody that you helped design this building and the fact that you've never seen it at night glowing many years later is quite astonishing but it's good that you finally did yeah and the show quote at the top second from top right is actually our competition model and you see it glowing in blue and that's actually how it looks when you go around I unfortunately didn't take it from that side but the sides of the slides are painted blue from the other side from the entrance side but again here I took the pictures from the other side so that was our promise in the competition phase this project took 10 years from the one competition to completion and now it took me many more years to see finally that major design effect and we wanted to explain this is mostly it's all about cost right in a capitalized commodified culture this was not the the effect that sort of lantern you know street art effect is not really something expensive it's a simple light tube trough at the top of the illustrate there and then it's encased in a hue profile covered with a frosted or sandblasted glass that diffuses it and that's pretty much it and then it bounces off the the slides itself so it's not much so an extra effort or money spent so that's what we're encouraging how to encourage people to use public transportation is obviously to get the cost down there's other cities where they offer it for free right Portland and the core of Portland riding the train is free and here again with a nine euro ticket gets closer to that if you break it down to your daily ride but we also want to point out that you can make it more attractive through design good design and again how do you find good design there's this great tradition of competition culture that you just don't commission the next the best next best one you know or you're you know have some ties to that could also cause corruption issues and inequity amongst architects if you make it an open competition or at least an invited competition which is on was it's a it's a more fair process right yes okay then leave that food for thought about transportation and move on to the next slide which gets us to the next stop which is the city of Göttingen and it's one of as in our island our first most powerful economy is no surprise tourism our second one is the military our third one is us meaning my employer the university and that's similar to Göttingen and Göttingen is a big university town and in fact one of the oldest universities in Germany and they asked us some years ago to design their first off-the-grid post-fossil that's what we need these days more than ever so that was pioneering and ahead of the time preschool for the children of the students and the teachers and to my knowledge we know this fairly well because we did a couple of shows about the inventory of buildings on our UH Manoa campus and I don't recall we even have a facility like that that's all right I couldn't begin to tell you I'm not part of that system but I do know that there at least is one that is part or has been I think it just shut down there was a government one in downtown Honolulu where the in the Civic Center across the street from the board of water supply but if and I think that just I think that just closed that was built on top of a parking building parking structure so that was an innovative idea and a good one but what you did with this particular one also debt has a number of innovative techniques and one of them in particular was to make it a passive home or a passive structure at least in terms of keeping it warm during the winter but as you have said as summers become increasingly hot and in fact uncomfortably hot even in Germany that becomes a problem when the weather is hot because the interior becomes too warm instead of just warm enough yeah we were actually hitting 102 degrees in Dresden around that time we were driving to my parents and again that's sort of you know still a good problem to have if we look at the world right Ron reminds us of Phoenix, Arizona and I looked it up we're having every day I mean that was one weekend we're having every day between 105 and 110 and there is tragic reports about you know dozens of homeless dying so it always hits the people at the lower end of the food chain because rich people can keep their AC running which nevermind increases the problem of fueling climate change literally and figuratively and the poor people pull the pull the short stick and before the show we were discussing how this will change sort of you know climate change migration and it will surely do but you said rightly so then the poor people really don't have a chance unless they get a nine euro ticket but where are they going and do they even have the chance to go and the means to go beyond that to go anywhere else right that's a big old problem but again then like places in Pakistan and in India where there is this so we're feeling it we're really feeling it the hard way so how can architecture help in that case as we all build this way again we don't need the winter condition keeping it warm in the winter and what we learned from this one here again evidence-based design post-occupancy evaluation like cycle assessment wise as these are all American firms of looking at buildings how they perform once they're completed that the passive house works pretty well for keeping you warm in the winter time but it's challenged in keeping you cool in the summer time and that's what we need in Hawaii first and foremost all the time right but the message we want to send there we were very very warmly welcomed by the director who you see next to our exotic escapism expert Susanna left of her at the top left picture that that's Mrs. Sommerfeld who was just very happy with the building and she said this is just like just too good to be true it really works well and don't be afraid because there's nothing to lose we can only win to save our world and there were things at the picture at the bottom left they were again feeling it getting a little too warm in the summer time so what they did is they added some reflective foil to the top part of the window glass front and this is something that reminds us of this show volume the topic of blue glass and Ron had rightly so being quite critical about that subject matter because if you're just making a glass box and try to keep it cool with blue glass that's not working and this is the living proof of evidence because we're having the same temperatures here even higher because you're not hitting too often I think late summer right you're hitting the hundreds quite you know we never know we never we never do we never do never so it's even hotter here then right even worse conditions and we still need the the retractable roll down screen shading that the building initially had and they actually added another one at the lower part of the window that we tried to get by without because of the depth of the frame and the initial one you can still keep the view but I guess they had to negotiate between the view and the keeping cool and the problem is not the high we actually had June 21st yesterday that's when the sun is the highest and when this sun angle basically the the the the the upper shading all the way down the sun will never hit the glass but when it gets fall or in the spring when the sun is already or or or again lower that's where the passive policies basically challenge but again these are all good problems to have and these are solvable and you should see this as basically prototyping and experimenting for a good cause and there is again there's nothing to lose what else do we see here we see the kids engaging with the concrete I guess these must have been more wandering property intern from all over the world another good thing is here this is a bilingual kindergarten or as we call it so preschool as you call it so they will learn to speak your native language the solo and mine so they will grow up in both and they will grow up in a building that is not consuming fossil fuel they do and they will become the stewards of of doing that because they don't have to unlearn fossil as we have to or even the generation we educate or emerging generation but they have it already in their habit right because they don't know any different right and that's that's the big key and we also have what we see on the right we have a green roof which every building in Hawaii should have and this is an intensive green roof this is thick you can grow heavy stuff on there we had some disagreement with the landscape architect to put a stupid fence there and the director was asking me she said I would like to to have my breaks on the roof and she once went but she said I had to get over the stupid fence was that doing there and I said well let's get back to the upper administration and and try to get rid of that thing and she's also doing back to the top left image there she says well instead I picked by yoga mat and I lounge on the bottom of the frames which was exactly how we intended it to be the for the kids who do that as well so again this is a good segue and then into our next slide because this building here is of concrete nature and basically concrete frames that could potentially keep you cool and how about this building this is back home where is that and what is that Soto well it's on P. E. Koi Street and it is a 1970s building and as you can see it's got this concrete sort of framework on the exterior which surround the glass windows and one of the things that you and I were talking about before the show is the advantage this building already has in its construction in terms of it being able to accommodate exterior shading and we had a discussion from my question what are the advantages and disadvantages of exterior shading versus interior shading in other words if you've got some kind of baffle or something to sun shade what's the difference well the difference is very pronounced because keeping that on the exterior and thinking about perhaps for example retrofitting this building means that you cut a substantial amount of temperature rise if it's on the outside versus the inside because once the sun rays have come through the glass of a window and then you put a baffle behind that you're creating a heat island you're creating a group of a little enclosed space that's going to heat up a great deal and you pointed out in one of the projects you've worked on in such a situation the glass actually got hot enough to crack because it was such high heat so what you want to do is put exterior rather than interior shading and even though this building doesn't have it it is constructed in a way that perhaps could accommodate it yeah and in all honesty that was talking about learning by doing and experimenting that was my first kindergarten I did that we did a show about also where we also featured this one here the previous one on the previous page and you know again there's nothing to lose you got to try out and you only find out by trying and experimenting so yeah this is again as you said this is by Ernest Hara this building and I will encourage the audience to be better than me because I again consider myself to be an interested and an interested citizen and I have some preoccupation in the discipline obviously but even me I always knew of the building because I drove by and I liked the building but I didn't take the time to find out who the author of the building is and it took this show here preparation to do this so we can all do this there's a website out there that's called Emporis and so the real estate organization and you just type in the location and the building and it gives you the building data most likely you know a year of build engineers involved and also architects involved Ernest Hara we know very well because he is the father of John and the grandfather of Mayumi who we had on the show for multiple times so this is a multi-generational family and endeavor and they actually in fact moved into their Mayumi's grand fathers and John fathers building here where Bund had helped them moving because they consolidated and made their office more efficient and effective so now they're in the building and again putting it into the context of zeitgeist at the top right we have the show quote about that we checked on presidents and how they relate to architecture where they grew up and where they lived this is the era of Jimmy Carter and it's also preceding no it's after it's after the first oil crisis in 73 and then you know that Jimmy really was learning the lessons from or at least tried of Egypt recently which we called up there the his crisis of confidence speech from 1979 and I would encourage you to do that when you do I'm sure you feel the same as me like oh my God how current is this what he said could or should have are you know secretary of environment or even economy could have should have would have said that at this point and say get off fossil fuel get off you know political dependency all these things oh my God there's so much more tragically you know current again one has to say so again reconnecting to Jimmy and basically saying okay get us off that that's you know boost and beef up renewable energies let's optimize things let's you know use more public transportation all the things we're talking about he was already talking about we just got to reconnect to that and and kind of undo all the the Reagan and post era the Reagan era that were that were still in right and we can do it again and as you said you know we could this this building is perfect to be basically adapted and could could carry additional the same roll down screens that we have and the frames of the previous slide kindergarten as one looks here there's a sort of double line above and below the the window frames this is where easily that could take place I'm sure Ernest John and Miami wouldn't mind and a building that's already principally very biochromatic because it's again having these deep frames that keep the sun away but here I guess it was it was put around the building the same way to all orientations so you would only then need actually that extra shading to the east and west elevation because the south elevation the frames already doing it into the north you don't need it so it was only needed to two elevations and then you can make them again with same as the kindergarten with a sun sensor and retractable so when they're up it wouldn't even you know basically compromise the very fine legacy you know appearance of of that building so again something to look back into because these are the this is the legacy of that neighborhood we're talking about that's buildings that if you keep your eyes and your your brain open these are this is this is the this is the precedent that's right there and that's where we're not understanding and next slide why is it the way they're portraying it down there which you know nice try with gentle watercolor wash to try to lure us into the idea that this would be somehow green and green being biochlamatic no it's not the shock was up there basically is what it really is this is this is red and orange this is hot there is no consideration of environment of biochlamatics and because all these buildings are just like hit by the sunset in particular yeah and then they you know in all honesty they should have been water color washed in orange and in red because that's that's reality yeah and this is this is basically trying to fool us brain wash us brain water color wash us and what you just pointed out about what Jimmy Carter had said back in the 1970s that was a time of not only energy crises because there was more than one but also the incredible rise in costs of energy and that's what we're going through again right now and this is a cycle that we keep repeating energy costs go down everybody forgets about it turns up the air conditioning turns up the heat and doesn't pay any attention to constant conservation and then suddenly when it becomes expensive again suddenly everybody panic and it's like it came out of the blue oh we didn't know that was going to happen we couldn't think of that possibly happening well you got to think ahead and you got to plan for these things rather than pretend they never are going to happen because they are going to happen and it's happening again yet again and I'm certainly old enough to have lived through the 1970s energy crisis other ones as well as the one we're going through now they're always going to happen and you at least didn't have my child a dream big boat Straßenkreuzer at the gas station no give you gas I mean you at least had the German beetle and but I did and the air school one that we were reporting about but still that's right absolutely and once again top ride very top ride show quotes they're kind of again they're having dementia or you know whatever problem they have and forgetting the very best of practice in their air or the Alamoana that's how they call the area the Alamoana building and the very top ride and that very top ride is showing also a glowing but this is reflective glowing this is not absorbing glowing like the symphony which is the one to the left of there but these are the sun retractable louvers with their either gold or dull aluminum side basically being shut and shielding the sun up and you know making it glow but inside it's cool so you know how sad is that that they basically have that there they should have done their homework we should send them our shows so hopefully for the next high rises they do better and how one could do it better we want to spend some time next week and until then you please stay all mentally and physically cool bye bye bye thank you so much for watching think tech Hawaii if you like what we do please like us and click the subscribe button on YouTube and the follow button on Vimeo you can also follow us on Facebook Instagram Twitter and LinkedIn and donate to us at thinktechHawaii.com Mahalo