 We are now officially being recorded. Now it's time for me to meet myself. Oh, Jen, can I start the meeting since there's four of us? Oh, I can't hear you. Yes. Okay. Okay. So my name is Brianna and I'm calling this meeting to order as a co-chair. Governor Baker's extension of the March 12th order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law allows us to hold this virtual meeting up the working group. Given that we have a quorum present, I'm going to call the October 21st, 2021 meeting of the community safety working group to order at 605 p.m. I will call upon each member of the working group at that time you should say present to indicate that we can all hear each other. Miss Walker. Here. Miss Bowman. Here. Miss Ferrara. Here. Miss Pat. Our first order of business is the public comment section of the agenda. If any member of the public would like to make a statement, please raise your hand. I will recognize you and ask Miss moisten to turn on your microphone. I asked that comments be limited to no more than three minutes. The working group will not be responding to your comments, but we'll be listening carefully. I want to take a couple of minutes to review the agenda. Oh, wait, I already said that. I'm sorry, everyone. It's been a long day. Okay, so I'm just going to quickly review the agenda and then we'll have time for members reports and then we'll get right into it. So the agenda for this evening's meeting is to talk about articles slash final communications and hopefully to put forward in motion to approve the minutes. The next agenda item will be to talk about the League of Women's Voters Racial Justice Task Force support. Then we'll talk about the CSWG report for Part B. And then we'll talk about the Cress implementation, the resident oversight board, and then lastly our successor group, the Community Safety and Social Justice Committee follow up. I want to reserve this next couple of minutes for members reports. Is there anybody that would like to share anything during this time. Okay. So we can get right into it with. The next agenda item is articles slash final communications. So I'm hoping that everybody got a chance to review the article that Alicia and I sent to the group in regards to the youth center, possibly being in the library and the cultural center as well. I wanted to bring that to the group's attention, just because people are reaching out and asking how we feel about it. Marcy Sklo from the league reached out to see how the group is feeling about it. Alicia and I did put together a piece to respond to it but we obviously wanted to talk with everyone to see how everybody felt about it first. In our first report I just want to remind everyone we were very vague on the, in the actual report about the youth center and the BIPOC cultural center. I'm just going to share a screen and pull it up really quickly because it's just one page. During our presentation we were specific in the fact that we wanted this to be staffed and led by BIPOC individuals but it doesn't say that in our report. So that's why I'm bringing it to the group to discuss. I'm going to share my screen now. You said that again. The last comment. In our report we just weren't specific about it. In our presentation we said that we wanted it to be led and staffed by BIPOC individuals but we didn't say that in our report. Can I make a comment. Yeah, of course. We also talked about having a youth, in addition to the youth center, within the youth center that we talked about having. Forget what we called it, not youth council, but like a group of youth that will be providing input to staff. I remember we talked about that, that there will be majority BIPOC youth. Does anybody remember that? Can people hear me? Oh, okay good. Okay. Because I specifically I was the one who really has been pushing for youth center led by BIPOC. It doesn't mean that they will only be for BIPOC, but like for BIPOC youth to have active role in it, more than anything else. I was the one who was pushing for that. So if we missed it, we can still, it's not late, you know, for our presentation on Monday. But thank you for bringing that up, Brianna. I mean, I absolutely think anything run by the youth. I mean anything for the youth should have youth voices involved. Exactly. Because personally, like, as an adult. And as a youth, a person who was a youth in this community, like one of the most annoying things is to have like, I don't want to speak for the youth and I don't when I was a youth I didn't like when adults spoke for me. Oh, we're going to do this for you. Did I say I want that, like that's just kind of my. I don't yeah, we really need to be hearing from the youth and what they need what they want like they want to be doing, you know, cultural trips that we need to, we need to like be doing stuff like that, you know what I'm saying like, I think of a youth center I think of things that would allow for like, are you kidding me right now, I'm literally talking walk away please. Um, I think of things like, um, like, college tours and things like that where it's like some of these, these are things that some of these students would love to do like, but can't because either parents work schedules or whatever but I mean I'm getting ahead of myself but I'm just thinking I feel like it really needs to be run by youth but got you know but like how the adults are just there to help implement their needs. That makes any sense. Thanks for the comment Ms Frera. Yeah, I mean, I don't think, you know, like, Miss Pat when you were talking I don't think we spent a lot of time kind of discussing that but obviously, you know, I'm a big proponent of that right it being kind of youth led by park leadership and youth by because I'm also part of the Julius Ford Harriet Tubman healthy living community which is intergenerational but our youth are the leaders of that group, you know, and so they're the ones that kind of provide what what set our agenda they're the ones that say what we should be doing. Whenever we have meetings it's always a youth and an adult they're just kind of guide but it's usually the youth that runs the meetings, all of that, you know. Obviously, I mean that's something that's, you know, critical and very important any youth organization is where to be, you know, youth led but with the adults data guide and help and help make whatever they want to happen and happen. Right, because a lot of times they don't know how to navigate some of the, the, obviously, the, the, how good the white systemic issues that are present. And so, you know, a lot of times we need adults to kind of help navigate that. But so that's one. So obviously if we need to include that somewhere, I think we should. But in terms of what Brianna was talking about. I definitely think that we did discuss it, even if we didn't put it in our report. I think it's important for us to have a place that is a youth. You know, a place for the youth, you know, for the youth center, that's for, you know, you know, BIPOC lead for, for, you know, BIPOC youth, right. And obviously all youth can use it but obviously hopefully majority BIPOC youth. And, but it needs to be a place separate, you know, and it has to be BIPOC lead. I mean, so, even though I get what folks are trying to do in terms of having having in the library I guess the library is going to be going through renovations and all that. But that's not going to be BIPOC lead. You know, it's going to have a whole different type of way of being in culture and everything. And so for me, I think it would be critical for us to have our own space, right. BIPOC to have their own space and to have it be with BIPOC leadership. Thank you, Ms. Freira. Miss Pat. So if I may now, I'm remembering very, very clearly. That's part of the reason I recruited Darius Cage. He provided a lot of input to me, even though he's not always at the meeting because of his busy school and sports schedule, but I do reach out to him for feedback. I don't know when we're doing our budget. I don't know if Jennifer can pull that up for us. I remember saying BIPOC something lead. I don't remember when we're checking off priorities how, you know, what we want. The document that Mr. Ross put together, I remember, you know, emphasizing BIPOC lead. What I meant by that, two things. One, majority of BIPOC youth lead group, in addition to their staff has to be BIPOC. I'm not shy about that. That's something I push really, really hard. But I can understand, you know, we didn't include it. It doesn't mean that it's only BIPOC youth center. That's not what we're saying. It will be youth center for all youth in our mess. Thank you. I think one of the, oh sorry, was someone before me. Oh, I think Mr. Vernon Jones have his hand up. Okay. Okay, thank you. Um, so, I don't know. Somebody sent me something about the whole situation at the library and how they're trying to do a youth center there and wanted to like, you know, the I don't know they sent me some article and I was like, that's cool but like the reality is that the Jones library is not run by BIPOC community. And I don't know. I don't, I don't have confidence that they would be able to put to draw in the BIPOC community to the library like I know that even when I've gone to the library with my kids like it was always a stretch to find books with people of color and it was always a stretch so like it was always a stretch to find things that represented my family, as far as like being people of color, and being, you know, my family being, you know, having, you know, people who are, you know, you know, come from different walks of life as far as like relationship wise and so on and so forth. Anyways, my point being is that it just the article I read just feels like it's another attempt to I how do I say this, and it's kind of like another attempt by do gooders. We want to do something good for the BIPOC community but we're not really going to totally involve them and if anybody makes too much of a noise and we might just shut it down like it just that's just what this town does. As soon as the noise gets a little too loud for the BIPOC community they just shut it down. It's that's how it's always been. So I just I don't I just I don't have. Yeah, it's just, it just feels like a do good or move and like in this article they were very much like, Oh, we want to do you know we want the BIPOC community to, you know, we want to get people from the BIPOC community to be part of this. And, and, you know what not if I can find it I'll send it to I'll share it. I can share content right. I'll share it if I find it but I was just like, I was like, it all feels like you know it's all the words are there type thing I just don't have any confidence and I don't have any confidence in the community here. So, I, I, and, yeah, so I just don't know but like that was like that I just want to mention that because that was what this article was saying that that was their intent is to involve the BIPOC community so that the BIPOC community would be part of this youth center and part of making this you center happen to happen. But the other thing that concerns me is that occasionally there's going to be like, older youth, we have teenagers, we don't hold the teenagers like teenagers don't want to go with a teen center, because they don't pull like do things in the evenings. Like a lot of these centers don't have hold events for teens in the evenings where like teens can go hang out or have a dance or have you know what I'm saying like that I don't know. But I guess I'm trying to talk to this, but I, I'm not talking anymore, sorry. Thank you, Miss Bowman. Mr Vernon Jones, Miss Perera and then Miss Meisten. Our report last May we were very clear that this had to be BIPOC lead, and it even mentions of space for BIPOC youth voices. And you know, the library is a white space. The library is going to continue to be a white space and we don't want to BIPOC lead youth center if you have to walk through a white space to get to it. Thank you. That's right. That's yes that right. And the youth center by nature needs to be a place where you can make noise. Like I already said, we probably need a basketball court there as well. But the library, you know, I mean, even if it's in a separate space, they're not going to want a lot of noise. So I think it's a bad match. I mean I'm glad somebody wants the support that we have it but I don't think the library is a good match for it. Thank you Mr Vernon Jones, Miss Perera and then Miss Moisten. I mean, just to kind of say an act to what everyone is saying, you know, into Sheena and Mr Vernon Jones and Miss Pat already kind of hit the nail on the head, which is, you know, for me when I go to the library, it is just a white space, you know, you feel when I go with my kids, with my son, it's just like probably we're like the only ones there, you know, so for me it's not about now using the youth center as of the BIPOC, you know, the BIPOC youth within this youth center to now come fill those spaces. No, you know what I'm saying? Because it's still going to be a white space, you know. Now, the library sure though they need to do a lot better to make sure that that space is multicultural is inclusive is diverse is is comfortable, you know, for everyone. Now, but that's the work they need to do, and cannot use the BIPOC, you know, youth and the youth center to now fill that void. And I think that that's what's happening it's like a round peg and are you trying to put in that square, and it's not going to fit, you know, the youth empowerment center needs to be its own a BIPOC led BIPOC youth as as leaders, you know, and things like that's what it needs to be, you know, and then the library. Yes, you need to have a more, you know, inclusive space yes you do, but you need to figure that out and you need to bring in the leadership the BIPOC leadership and the BIPOC youth and others to contribute and be there and create that that inclusive space in the library but you can't use this to accomplish that. So, that's my opinion. Thank you miss Farera, miss moisten and then miss Bowman. I didn't realize I was unmuted when I cleared my throat, excuse me. So, a couple of things. One is so the library with the new building and if you know people who want to be involved. And the new library building, you know, to have that voice please have them fill out a citizen, a community activity form, because, you know, we did kind of. There was a call for folks that aren't our repeat offenders I'll call them to be to participate in the library building trust committee that's going to happen and that's not the right name. So, the library has made an initiative to make it seem to, I mean, the goal from the library's perspective was to make it a more welcoming inclusive space, right. And at the same time, they are having a youth center, regardless of whether it's, it's inclusive of this or not, right, because they already have a youth space and a, and a youth section at the library so that is going to continue to be what it is over there. And then I spoke with people from the library and I'm not by any means saying that I agree with anything that was said their thought process was, it can be run by whomever needs to run it and it could be in addition to the, like, added on in the back space of the library. And so, I don't necessarily agree with any of that because it kind of seems like a weird way of getting the library to pass. And so we don't want that we don't want to be used like that it just doesn't feel good. Do you know what I mean. And so yes it does need to be that separate space but I just wanted to let you guys know at the same time that they are going to have their own youth that the library will have a youth center, and it doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be inclusive of the of what your recommendation is and that they are making in theory and effort to make that a more welcoming space I've had conversations and I will say as a BIPOC mom who went in there as a single lower income person. I mean, only did I have my three boys but I always had other kids with me and never felt good in that space right never felt like it was for us maybe we were too loud maybe we were too rough or whatever the case is. And so I explained that I'm just not simply the only person that feels that way. And so I know that they are trying to make a separate push outside of everything else on their own to have it be a more inclusive warm space. I don't know where they came from but a more inclusive space. So I just wanted you guys to know that those two things are still going to be happening. Even if the recommendations move over here from our perspective, and that they don't have to date. There's no reason for them to necessarily be together. I know that somebody had pushed that out there. But again, that doesn't feel like a good. It doesn't feel organic, if that makes sense, or natural to have it run in the way that it's being proposed. So I just wanted to let you guys know that. Thank you miss moist and miss Bowman and then miss Pat. Okay, so I found the thing that was. That he's to hear me. Yes. Okay, I just know I just closed my window so I didn't know if it cut me off. So I found the thing that I was sent along. So it was said the trustees of the Jones library publicly announced their intention to renovate and expand the library be expand library be developed in such a way to assure all members of the Amherst community are feel welcome and that all members of the community feel that the library belongs to them such intention would be realized in first instance through the work of the building community, the building committee, which work should be guided by a commitment to anti racism. And include their perspectives of marginalized groups that committee work must involve an examination of the way different communities in our town use and experience library space and the iconography of the representations contained in the library. So that was a little blurb that I got and then I, you know, and then I was just like, well, yeah, I mean, that's cool and all, but it just still seems like, um, it still just feels like it left, you know, it kind of left me blank. It kind of left me being like, okay. So how are you going to get these people to talk to you about what you what they need, you know what they how they feel about being in the library how are you going to get these people to contribute. Like you'll get a few things we're going to have a little like, you know, it's like block history month we have a little shelf. Sorry. But that's what it feels like, you know, I'm saying it's like, it's like, literally what target did they just, they were like, Oh, it's black history month, let's put a little tiny section of, you know, products by black people and then, you know, oh, it's, you know, Latin X history month so we're going to put a little, you know, a little section but then the blackest, you know, everything from, you know, anything that has to do with black people is like disappeared and you can't barely find it, you know, it's that's what it feels like. That's just what it feels like. Um, So, yeah, that's my ultimate. Thank you miss Bowman miss Pat and then Mr Vernon Jones and then miss Walker. Okay, let me break this down. Follow the money. So the supporters of Jones library. The people behind it is bad land, land owners. Okay. The more you, you know, you bring people to downtown is benefiting their properties. When we talk about business people that took categories. Small restaurant and shop owners, they're not benefiting the most of the time they pay health for rent commercial rent there. The project is very expensive. Who is going to benefit from a white contractors. Okay, we have climate action climate group, telling us that it's not, you know, destroying the one part of the building to build anyone. It's not good. It's, you know, they're not listening to that. It's too costly. They talk with an even fully fund crest program. All of a sudden, they want everybody to, you know, agree to 36 weapon million dollars. The neighboring town hardly where do business had 15 million. So do three projects. Very impressive. Okay. And so somebody came up with the idea that they can use BIPOC people to go vote November 2. So if we tell them that we're going to have youth center and multicultural. They're fools. They will, you know, they will just go vote exploiting us. We're not stupid. Okay. So that's what is going on right there. If they're going to do their own thing in the library. That's when in a white supremacy, you know, lies because if they feel if they're ignoring what we're saying, some section of the community saying, we don't think that you sent that belongs to the library and they go ahead to put it anyway. How that how can there be any unity or repair in this town, meaning that ignoring what we're saying do not put youth center in the library. If they want to go ahead to do it. That's a big problem right there. It's like, they're trying to this franchise, a section of this town, we need only one team center. And that one team center has to be led by BIPOC period closed case closed. That's where it's going to be. So, people need to do their homework on, you know, when they vote on November 2nd, or people who are voting early. If you, you know, want the time to spend 36 million, go ahead and vote. Yes. But if you feel all these factors that you don't want to be used as a BIPOC person, you're part of climate group, you're part of people who feel that other programs have priorities, then vote no, because I'm voting no that day. Thank you. And I welcome people reaching out. I got some people have been reaching out to me, in fact, I'll be meeting with one of the library trustees this weekend. I'm a very positive person, I can negotiate, I can compromise, but you have to give me something to negotiate. If you're going to go ahead and do team center at the library. You have for me to negotiate. One, you need to fully fund press. We need BIPOC led youth center. We need BIPOC led cultural center. Not that I'm going to still support the 36 million but if you want to us to negotiate on the table, we have to negotiate on equal footing period. Thank you. Thank you for that. Mr Vernon Jones, Miss Walker and then I have a quick comment. Well, it seems to me that we're pretty much on the same page that the BIPOC led youth center does not belong in the library. Is there a question we're trying to answer right now is there a proposed action or step. And if so, I would propose we focus on that. It does feel like we're all in agreement. I, let me pull it up right now. Alicia and myself put together an article and response because we thought the group would feel the same way. And we reached out to both of the doctors to bosses to take a look at it and help us with revisions before we brought it to you all. If it's okay with everyone I will share screen and we can read it. It's just two pages. Where is that document. This evening's packet packet. Is it the first thing in the back. Um, so we did revise it like I would say like an hour and a half before the meeting so let me just pull up the one I have on my screen, and I will large. I believe that's the one that I put in the packet because I saw that you sent to. Okay. And the first thing. Somebody read it for us. I haven't opened my pocket yet. I don't want to read it. I don't mind reading it out loud. Yes. Oh, I thought you said you were going to read it. Oh, okay. I'm going to turn my camera off so my face doesn't radiate red. Okay. Following the murder of George Floyd youth, following the murder of George Floyd youth led Black Lives Matter protests, and the request submitted by the racial justice task force of Amherst, the town committed to initiating the Amherst and more racially equitable community. In December 2020 the Amherst town council passed a resolution affirming their commitment to dismantling white supremacy stating they, the Amherst town council here by affirms its commitment to eradicating the effects of anti-racist practices of the town government, town affiliated organizations, and will review and revise its policies procedures bylaws values and goals in missions through an anti-racist lens to foster an on bias and inclusive environment that is free of discrimination, harassment, and negative stereotyping toward any person or group. I need the Amherst town manager and town council approve the charge of the community safety working group CSWG to pave the way for community equity. Our charge has been to a make recommendations on alternative ways of providing public safety services to the community and be to make recommendations on reforms to the current organizational and oversight structures of the Amherst police department. The Amherst group on which we served met an average of two to four hours per week virtually since November 18 of 2020 to work on delivering thorough reports and recommendations for both parts of our charge. To fulfill our charge we hired several consultant groups to gather information useful to fulfilling our charge and supporting the town through community engaged research and recommendations. Our consultants included the seven generations movement collective that gathered community input for an understanding of national trends and the alternative in the alternatives to community safety in the complex issues within Amherst policing. The Amherst law enforcement action partnership leap to take a deeper look into the APD's policies, and we hired the African diaspora mental health association ADMHA to learn more about changes in training supervision and accountability to the anti-racist police department. Since last November, our group to our group has has done much to overcome several hurdles, including a lack of transparency and bargaining around town manager advisors, the budget process, the consultant process, and having to advocate for a realistic timeline to complete well thought out reports to ensure the safety of the black indigenous people of color community members and Amherst. Although the end of our charge is near, we urge community leaders to view departments and fundings that benefit the BIPOC community in largest terms, beyond just a checkbox or afterthought for diversity initiatives. We asked the community understand the issues that currently and historically plague the BIPOC community in Amherst as a dynamic and growing diverse community. The CSWG was able to gather data, hold community forums and put together a solid report that spoke to a narrative that BIPOC community that the BIPOC community in Amherst knows better than those in the most powerful seats in town. As we get closer to the November election, we urge town council candidates and current town counselors to remember why the CSWG was formed. We ask that you remember the opportunity the CSWG provides to Amherst as a whole, which is to give voice to BIPOC peoples and respect the narratives of residents that share their individual stories of fear anxiety and lack of safety. We ask that you read again and regard our recommendations as valuable to helping create and support a community of diverse residents. Programs, departments and funding that are designed to serve the BIPOC community should be proposed, developed and inclusive of that same community. Before you consider how great a cultural center would be in the library, take a minute and think about the staff leadership and intention behind the library. If you recall nothing else about our work, we want you to know, and we want to make it clear that the BIPOC community in Amherst does not feel safe. It is like town hall, the police department, and even schools are not a place BIPOC community members feel at home. So why would another town controlled space such as a library be what we really need? If we as a town mean to affirm our commitment to eradicating the effects of systemically racist practice of town government and town affiliated organization, then let us start by supporting those closest to the issues and have a chance to design that space that will best support us. I'm sure you're familiar with the Malcolm X quote, you're not, you're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it or says it. I know every Amherst resident reading this loves Amherst, and if you don't love it here you see the town for all it can be. So let's amplify the recommendations put forth by the CSWG to ensure the safety and well being of the BIPOC community. Amherst has a history of white supremacy that we cannot ignore. Let's move this community forward by letting BIPOC voices guide our work to issues they know and have experience in this town to make Amherst the Amherst we all wanted to be. Thank you. Thank you. So we put together I can share with everybody to make revisions, but we thought it would be a good way to kind of tie together the issues that we've had to overcome as a group, and to also kind of talk about the library and the youth empowerment center and the cultural center all at once. Yeah. I just one I'm going to say that if you guys feel like if the library opens up a separate youth center that that is, you know, defranchising or going in or just not right then I would have that type of a conversation with the folks at the library because maybe they're thinking that they in theory have one now. And then I just want to say that. And I'm not justifying anything because I'm not putting out any way that I feel about this but just to be clear that the town is committing 15.75 million to the project, not 36 the other remaining amount is coming from a mass grants and private donors and 1000 from CPA and a mil a million from CPA, which I never know how that works that that might still be Amherst money, but even that 15 million point 75 is a lot but I just wanted to make sure that people are aware. They're not funding the entire 36,000 or 35,000 million. It still doesn't matter. It still doesn't matter. It's 36 million is 36 million. It doesn't matter, follow the money. The reason why I'm pushing 36 million is who is going to get a contract contractors will be white people. You know, how many number of bifol folks will benefit from, you know, constructing that building. I mean, there is a lot that is involved. No, I understand I just wanted to put that out there though. Okay, Ms. moison, Ms. Pat and then Ms. Farera. Okay, Ms. Farera. Yeah, and I think, you know, we definitely need to move on. I mean obviously the articles is great. You know, kind of like my final thoughts about this is, especially what Ms. Pat was bringing up in terms of having another like youth center in the library. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense to me because like what you're saying, Jennifer that they've had something at the library. And again, I've never brought my voice to any of the stuff that they've had there because it doesn't feel inclusive. It doesn't feel safe. It doesn't feel like a place where my kids are going to get encouraged and empowered, right as, as black boys. So for me, if they go and go create another youth center at the library as opposed to supporting our youth center, you send it that we recommend it. It's being divisive and basically you're creating a youth center again for what for white kids. That's what you're creating it, you know, I guess if that's what you want to do, then just call it that and go for yours, you know, type of thing. If you want something inclusive, something that's going to be empowering and youth led with BIPOC youth led and BIPOC youth, youth, leading it, leading the way, then you need to be supportive of what it is that we've recommended and to create a truly safe space. And it's places inclusive of all. So I mean, you know, that that's my final words on this. And Miss Pat, when you speak to the library trustee that that is pretty much enough set right there, right, like it doesn't, you'd be going against us and and instead of supporting us and I think that's the message that needs to be said, as far as it goes with the youth center. Yeah. So, just very quickly, it's just one trustee, not the whole group just one person reach out to me, I wanted to meet with me, and I'm ready willing anytime any day to meet with people. Ultimately, we want to heal in this town, but at the same time we deserve respect. We need to be on the same table to make decision they can just throw stuff into our throat and say take it. You know, that's the way it is that was me in a, in a bad way. So I will meet with that person and, you know, listen. And take it from there. Thank you, Miss Pat. Miss Bowman and then Miss Walker. I wanted to agree with Miss Fira because it is really, I agree with that on so many, like I tried to do things at the library when I was like an at-home mom, and it doesn't feel it was very isolating and didn't feel good. I probably went to like one or two things, you know, when the kids were younger. You know, I know my older kids went to some things on their own. You know, but it's not, it's definitely not for everybody. It's definitely not what the heck is a spider in my face. Um, it's definitely not, it's definitely not a space where everybody, everybody feels welcome. And I do that whole point of like, you want to put a youth center where you're expected to be quiet and hold quiet space and quiet time like that's that seems counter, that seems counter, like, that doesn't, that doesn't, I don't understand how that's going to work. And I do agree with Miss Pat when she, she said like, okay, you guys want to help support a youth center fund, help fund ours, and we'll do a youth center outside of, you know, use whatever you were going to use to create your youth center in the library. And so with that money aside to help fund the youth center outside of the library independent of the library. You know, but we already know bid does not care. Like that's I'm sorry I just I have to say that like, they're not out there out to make money. It's very clear. So, you know, and I see it time and time and time again anybody who's part of that is like really like, Oh, but we need to do this and oh but we need to do that but I'm like what about the people. You ever about talking about money making things you're talking about bringing business to Amherst. Yeah, but you're also in the same breath that you're saying we need to bring business to Amherst, you're strategically pushing families out of Amherst. The families that you are primarily pushing out are the BIPOC community. So it's it's just just all it's just it's just a bunch of words to me. It's just a bunch of words it doesn't mean anything. And it's very like again I'm very disappointed in this, this community, you know, and I put that in quotes but I'm, you know, so I didn't can't see my quotes, but you know I just I just, it feels very unauthentic. It feels fake, very, very fake. And I just want somebody from bid or somebody from the library committee or somebody from one of you know from town council or whatever to stand up and be like, you know what we actually just don't care. We want to line our pockets. That's what we want to do. We don't care about the community we don't care about the use we don't care about anybody but we're making sure our pockets stay line, making sure that our red line district stay red line, making sure that this town stays, you know, as white as possible. Like it would be so refreshing to have somebody say that out loud. And you know they won't but it's just it, but their actions are speaking on it. Thank you miss Bowman miss Walker and then I have a comment. I didn't want to take up too much time making a comment on this because I just wanted to voice my agreement with what everyone else said, but just one of the things that really struck me about this and this conversation is that when we made our recommendations I think we were really clear about intention and having the intention of like creating something with the intention to serve the BIPOC community and not adding them as an afterthought because you forgot about it in your original plans. And that's what this feels like to me because they've been planning the library for a very long time. And it's at the 19th hour that they want to figure out how to make it inclusive for the BIPOC community that that in itself is not inclusive. And so I think that separate from the library, we need to as a town invest in our BIPOC community by creating spaces that are for them. And we allow them to be the integral part of the creation of these spaces. And I really think that our group has already started that. And so it needs to be passed down to the people who actually implement these, these recommendations need to be my majority majority BIPOC and they need to make that with the intention to serve the BIPOC community. And so I just wanted to stress that in regards to my, my disagreeing with putting our recommendations in the library. Thank you, Miss Walker. The comment that I wanted to add to kind of move us to the next agenda item. When did anybody, I mean I just did a quick read through of the article, would you all be able to get edits to me by maybe Saturday. Would that be a realistic timeline. Miss Pat. I like what you wrote in everybody's so busy. I think, if it's okay with everybody else. I will encourage you to email it to start tonight. Is there anybody in favor of that. What is Mr. Ross. If it's actually coming from all of us, I, I'd like a chance just to look at and see whether there's some minor edits, I don't need a lot of time to do it. And in addition to that, can you, can we send it so that Briana can send it through her. List of folks that in addition to Scott because it goes to the news outlets and all of those other places so you all might as well go out with the bang right like I'll just let everybody know. But before we move on to the next section, it says articles, final communications and minutes. And we need to device a motion or create a motion that allows the co chairs if it's okay with everybody to approve all the missing minutes and the last minutes of the last meeting, because you guys wouldn't be able to prove those anyways because it would be the last meeting. So we need to create a motion for that so that I just have it. And then the two co chairs can work on that. Can I go back to, can I go back to, can I speak, but okay. Go ahead Miss Pat. Okay. So, Mr. Ross when do you think you'll be, you'll be able to edit because I'm not going to take a look at it again by five tomorrow. Oh wow. By noon tomorrow if you needed. I don't want to, I don't want to hold it up. I just, I think by noon tomorrow would be okay. Oh, press release that was the term I was looking for sorry. So we're able to send it tomorrow by noon. Yeah, for us get to the edits I can send it by noon. Okay, thank you. Yeah, we can move on. Miss Bowman I see you have your hand up just before I move to the next item I just want to make sure I didn't miss you. Like, I need you guys to create a motion. So it could just be as simple as I move we authorize our co-chairs to approve any and all minutes. Seconded. Is that all we have to do for a motion or do we have to do a roll call to say all in favor. All in favor, raise your hand I guess. Sorry, Russ made the motion. Pat seconded it was that correct. Then you need to open it up for discussion and if there's no discussion, then you need to do the roll call vote. Oh, okay. Any discussion. No, I'll just say this is with the assumption that the co chairs will make if there are any provisions needed they will make them that's so we have to set that understanding that that's what the motion means. Okay, I'll do roll call Mr Vernon Jones. Yes. Miss Bowman. Yes. Miss Walker. Yes. Miss Ferrara. Yes. Miss Pat. Yes. And yes for me. Okay. So I guess we, we can go to, oh, Mr points and I just had one quick question in regards to final communications. How long is our webpage going to stay up after we disband. I'm going to at least suggest that or propose that it stays up for a while. There's a lot of information that people are going to look to the recommendations for part B or just going to be put on there. I can put those on there either later tonight or tomorrow morning. So I think that in general that it should stay up as active and not going to the archives for, you know, a while at least until the CSW CSS JC is up and then we can transfer any of that information over to the CSS JC website. Awesome. Okay, Miss Ferrara. Yeah, because that's what I was going to say I think you know, it should stay up for a while, at least a couple months and then everything that that was there should should be transferred over to the new committee to CSS JC. So we don't lose any of that. Definitely. Mr Vernon Jones. I suppose that our reports both be available on the active part of the website until all of our recommendations are implemented. I think that they would be on the CSS JC's webpage. Yeah, that's that part of transferring everything over to CSS JC. Awesome. Okay. So the next item on the agenda is the League of Women's Racial Justice Task Force. Miss Ferrara. Wait, so with final communications. Are we talking about I'm still confused like are we meeting next week I mean what's the deal. I just want to kind of see. Can you just go over the schedule so I know what's what for these last remaining two weeks before we kind of. Yeah. Next week we'll be presenting a town council at 630 at the Monday meeting. I'm hoping we can still meet for a meeting. I don't think it needs to be long but I think we should meet for a meeting to reflect on our work. It doesn't have to be the full two hours. I mean meeting where we can get Margaritas I'm just saying I. Can we please. Next week Thursday. Could everybody meet in person next week next Thursday. I think that would be good. But what about the open meeting law and all of that stuff. Yeah, I don't think I can post the meeting at like the hanger so or mission canteen or wherever so. So maybe we meet virtually and then meet afterwards and then you guys will in theory have basically disbanded some of this. There's no. Yeah, actually, um, technically we're still until November 1 right. So we can still do secret meetings until after November 1. I will just say I mean I'll check with Paul but I'm literally going to just write on the agenda from virtual to wherever a nondisclosed whatever location we choose. We can wait until next week and we can get together. Don't you think we should celebrate at the last meeting. I think, yeah, I think we need to celebrate and I just need to pat yourself on the shoulder it's been a long training emotional. Yep, almost a year. Right. So, well, I'll find out how we do it. I'm gonna. I don't drink the outcome. I will buy you a soda miss Pat. Okay, I will work for me. I know I see. My friends and my kids think I'm very boring. I am. Also, don't drink alcohol miss Pat. Oh, that's right. You said I know my husband we don't lemonade. I want for me. Okay. I'm, I'm, I'm not, I would ever redo we it needs to be outdoors, because I'm not meeting with people. That's the only way I'll meet with people is outdoors. That's, you know, if we're going to do a celebration, let's make sure we're doing it at a place in a time when everybody can come and check with Darius and make sure it's a she can come. Like, yeah, I just I'm now that now that it's getting colder and people are being indoors more I'm being a little more like I'm being a little more able about it. And plus I'm indoors around people all day at work so I gotta get home and I just want to be home. So, um, and it's not because I'm not because I don't want to it's like, I'd even I'd even like, if you guys met and I would be willing to even virtually meet with you but I just I don't I'm up in the air about it, because I'm, I have an autoimmune disease so I just I'm really anal about being around people that I'm not like people I'm not around all the time, you know. So, I just I wanted to put that out there so at least when you're thinking about that like, if you want me in real life and we just got to think about being outdoors somewhere. I think almost like, you know, I don't know how people feel Johnny's lover Kuzana mission. I don't know if missions open on Thursdays. I'll come a little does not have outdoor dining though, but those. That's okay. Have outdoor dining. Yeah, I definitely feel like we can find somewhere outdoors so everyone can come. It'd be nice to see you all in real life since we've been doing so much work. Oh, yes, you guys should take a photo and then I'll put it on the website on your web page. So I have to do my hair now. Yes, you do girl. Yes, you do. Man, I was gonna see how long I could go without doing my hair. Alright, fine. I think if we do this before November 1, we're gonna have to invite the public. I mean, I'm just gonna, I'm going to literally post a meeting at some whatever location we come up with through whatever means that we come up with it to that's what we'll be. I mean, I'm trying to think of like, and when we've had certain people retire and the council or at that time the select board came it was still the same rules. I don't know what they did in those purposes, but I know that we've had things in other locations for retirees and select board members have attended so there's got to be a way to to get it done. Okay. Okay, I think so maybe we can meet next week, but maybe we can meet next week just to reflect and to talk about next steps for the book, the CSWG book, because I'm really interested in pursuing that and that's a project. Yeah. Yeah, me three. So let's meet that next week to do that and additionally find the time that we can all meet in real life. If the group's okay with that. Yep. That sounds good. Could we make next week's meeting start as early as we can as it is 530 the earliest. I can do five. I have another meeting that K to five. I can do five. Yeah. Let's meet at five next. Okay. Thank you. And you guys want to discuss the book. I'm just trying to redo the agenda. Yeah, we're discussing the book. Yes. Yeah, the book and final thoughts process the meeting will have thoughts to process. Also, I don't know if we have time tonight, but I think we should give input to the top managers. Performance review. I think we should. And I think Brian from. Yeah, could we do it as a collective. We can use some of that. I actually just got that email. Oh, Miss Freire. I see your hand. Yeah. I was going to see if we could do it. Could we do that as a collective because I did see it too, but I was. Yes, that's collective. Next week. That would be awesome. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But positive and challenges that we encounter with the manager. Yeah. So that would be part of our meeting too. Awesome. Yep. Awesome. Okay. So we can move on to the next agenda. Agenda item unless anybody had anything else. So Marcy's flow from the League of Women's Voters racial justice task force reached out to see if there was any ways that the racial justice task force could support us. I had two things in mind, but I wanted to bring it back to the group before I responded to her. I was thinking to see through with the resident oversight board and then to help spread the word about the community safety and social justice committee. But I wanted to open up as a group discussion so that I could provide her a list of things if group members had anything I wanted to add. Mr. Vernon Jones. I want them to advocate with town council and with town manager for all of our recommendations. Okay. And that library scenario with the youth center, someone that should have a conversation with Marcy about the thoughts about that. And then that is something that they could possibly be on board with I don't know for sure but I think I feel like she will she she was one that reached out to me and asked me to get CSWG input because she said that it was discussed at great length at a district meeting. Last night it was yeah. What meeting last night. District two. I was at that meeting, and I was the only Bible person in that meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Wait districts have meetings. District two we had. Yeah. It was a good meeting. It was, it was actually good. It was a good meeting. Yeah. The only district that has really most districts only do them either quarterly if that and then D five has spent a lot of time pre COVID, having district meetings and I know like I even got them to do it over at one day, just trying to get them exposed to different people and different, you know, just so that they could understand because, you know, they live a different life and they don't understand they don't see. So they need to understand and see so D five probably has the most meetings, but that is also something that changes depending on who, who is the district counselors and they can be as often. Clearly to Sheena, even though you're involved with local government to some degree, you don't know that that's happening so that does say that there's an issue there that the word of district meetings doesn't get around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I would, I mean, I probably would have. I don't know. I probably would have gotten gone to, especially having. Are you two or three. I don't know for river. Yeah, so we're, we're two. Yeah, we're. Oh, I didn't even know that I don't. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, some of my family members didn't get invited that but I got in the email. And our rep was actually did made it down. Most of our most of the discussion was believe it or not, it's on library. Everybody was respectful of one another and everyone learned from each other and we agreed to disagree. And I know that library and zoning bylaws are top two conversations at all district meetings right now. They also, they also, we also talked about redistricting as well. And our legislature gave us update about redistricting on state level. There was a very good meeting. I liked it. Thank you, Miss Pat. So for Marcia I just want to confirm the list with everyone to see through the resident oversight board help us with getting the word about our successor group, helping us support us with our all of our recommendations and then our stance on the library youth center and cultural center. Okay, so we can have a meeting on Saturday. The people know that. So we can move to the next agenda item which is the CSWG report for Part B update. I'm not sure if you guys all saw the packet but it's finished. Thank you to everyone that put so much work into it. It looks so good. Honestly, I was looking at it before this meeting and just thinking wow this is amazing. Thank you thank you all thank you so much. Thank you special thanks to Mr. Ross. You know, just a trooper. But, so what about for you and Brianna you and Alicia how are you all feeling in terms of the presentation on the 25th that we cleared that will all be there as as as panelists and all that and do they know that that's what's going to happen. Yeah, so I'm really glad that you brought that up. Lynn reached out today and tried to ask if a different committee could go before us, but I asked that we go first on the agenda because we've had this date ahead of time. We are all going to go in as panelists. Alicia and I will work on the PowerPoint tonight Friday and hopefully have it done on Saturday afternoon. If you guys would like I can share the PowerPoint with you. If you guys want to add graphics or make any edits. I'm open to it. Yeah, can we say. Yeah, I don't have it yet. Yeah, I will have it. I'll have it by Saturday afternoon though and I can send you guys off then. So do you want feedback from us by when because obviously presentations on Monday so do you want us to get it back to you by like Sunday night or something like that. Sunday night would be good. So the town councilors have they are they going to have they received it. Yes. Good. Yeah, when, when today today because I mean, it just was released today and then the meet you guys were I posted a meeting for the 25th as well. Nice. Okay. So, so will we be since the 630 that it starts will we be like the first ones on then in terms of the agenda. We should be yes. She asked if somebody could go ahead of us but I told her that to be respectful of everybody's families and obligations, we'd prefer to go first. So what could be gone first. Thank you so much for doing that because you know, if another group would have gone first who knows how long it would have taken and obviously I'm spreading the word I want to let people know so that they can be fine. Yeah. Mr. Oh, notice that someone in our audience has a hand raised and I don't know whether we want to. It's Marcy, I believe. And if you want to open up for a second public comment at another, I mean, I guess. I don't really know how to touch that but so like the reparations group does, but it's listed on their agenda they do a public comment at the beginning in the end. Of the meeting. Okay, she wants to come in. I'm fine with that too. I'm fine with it. I know it's the open meeting. That is the issue. So do we should do we have to wait or what do you think I'm so sorry to be budding in but I just wanted to ask and I see my husband's name is there not mine. Anyway, thank you for just talking about us on the agenda. On Saturday, we're having this meeting a brown bag program, and we, I just wanted to get clear. If anybody from your group would like to come and present about your work. And if not, I know it's very short time, you know, there's been no warning. If not, then we would invite you to come some version of you guys to come on in November to speak, but we were doing these programs monthly. And if you can't come Saturday we will change the program because we don't want to speak for you and represent your work for you. But if there was a way that you wanted to come and it would be beneficial for you to have this opportunity before Monday's meeting to talk about your work and whatever you wanted to talk about. And in terms of what support you would be looking for or whatever. It's mostly a league program but we have sent out the notices to a bunch of other groups, and so it's all on zoom and more people might come. But I know Miss Pat mentioned that it could only the presenters could only be the two co chairs. So, we will change our plan. If the two co chairs cannot one of you cannot come. And also if nobody else if you know can come to present. So, at a later date, we will invite you again in November, but it would be a kind of opportunity to talk about your work in a public way before Monday. Thank you, Marcy. My point. See, brain are you are you available on Saturday. No, I'm not. Alicia your public companion. Well, I will be at the Brookfield farm on Saturday but what time. 2pm. I might be able to but it would be so close that I would be afraid to commit for sure. If I don't want to do it if it's rushed for you and doesn't have benefit for you. I don't want to add Alicia to your play. I know it's a very busy time. I'm not to burden you at any in any way and it seems like it, it might be a missed opportunity and we'll just have you come in November and we'll, we'll, we'll invite you in a more formal way with with more of a lead time. Does that make more sense. Would it be helpful if you guys announced and maybe referred folks to their website and asked them to attend Mondays meeting to speak in support of the CSWG. Absolutely. I mean we have a whole PowerPoint that Ash Hartwell created that has lots of information about your work. But then we started realizing like we can't talk about your you have to talk about your work. It's not for us to talk about it so, but we can at least do that. Jennifer that that would be absolutely fine. And, and we can also have people read your, your latest reports and stuff so that's great. That's a good compromise. I think we missed the open meeting law because you are actually League of Women voters is actually on the agenda so I think that might have figured out. And I think Richard's globe is by default a member of the League of Women voters. Thank you so much. Jennifer, are you going to be around. Are you planning to attend that meeting. I did see it. I did see it and I've attended other brown bags and they're really good and so I mean I'll, I'll try I, you know I can't guarantee it because I have like a 10 page paper due Sunday and it's, it's, you know, it's hard, but I will make a very good decision to make it but I don't also don't want to speak on your behalf either. Like I, that's not what I want to do either so I can speak in support of you guys. Can I ask, can you do that. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Is the idea that it's only the co chairs. Is that some sort of a rule. Like, if we're in kind of a discussion, Miss Pat, can you join the discussion and not be a formal presenter. Yes. Okay. I'm going to open the co chairs because those are the designated designes of who the group voted to, you know, represent the group, but also when you have them and when you invite them in November, they will have, I hate to say this word dissolved. And so therefore there's nobody anybody all everyone can attend without it being of an issue. So it is probably a little better because I wouldn't be able to post for Saturday. So what we'll do is shift our agenda a little bit so that it's mostly focused on the work that we're doing and one of our work is advocacy for you guys and so in that realm. We'll talk about some of your projects and then miss Pat and Jennifer if you come, you know, during the discussion that can be a possibility. Okay, thank you so much for. Thank you. Oh, I think Miss Freira has a question. Yeah, just, I mean, I think it'll be very important if your group would be able to just be supportive and spread the word I think that's really key we need to have as many supporters on the Monday meeting as possible because over there we're going to do presentations going to be all the discussion in my new details so we need to have supporters we need to have supporters speaking out on our behalf so I think you doing that would be excellent. It would be an excellent opportunity to really spread the word out there for us share it on your website share it to your members just just, you know, have them be there on Monday. Okay, we'll do what we can. Thank you Marcy I see Mr Vernon Jones also has his hand up. I completely agree with what Deborah just said, and Marcy our report does have an executive summary at the beginning which is a nice two page summary of things, and I would also refer you to the executive summary of the leap report, which is in the appendix. Okay. Have you gotten our report. I think so. I think I've gotten it. If you. Okay, thank you so much. Okay, appreciated everyone I'm sorry for the interruption. You're fine. Thank you so much Marcy. So with that being said I think we can move to. Sorry, I have a question sorry because obviously, I didn't, you know, this just came out which looks beautiful the report and stuff and of course I was looking at it. Different points but so what happened to the ADM may change portion of it. So, I shouldn't have asked. No, it's just, it's just been a little bit complicated and so we received an in. I received an email the day of or the day before that the report was due that, you know, someone in his family had been in contact with someone who had tested positive and then that he wasn't feeling well. And then I'd asked for the report and then Sean and I have been reaching out and we haven't received or heard back. Okay, so, so were we able to include then. Mr. Rush were we able to include the portion that you have come up with. Yes, wait, I just missed, I just missed that. Yes, like who like somebody sick or somebody got exposed to something. But so to Sheena, let me just check in. Do you were you around when we were asking the 80 may change to come and as a come in as a consultant for training. Was it training purposes. How to create an anti-racist and anti-racist and the PD. Yeah, and they PD. I think I was here for the beginning of it, but then I. We had consulted in the same way that we did with leap for them to write this report and then the day of the report. We've received word that. The individual who's who was driving the project wasn't wasn't feeling well and we haven't really and that was like 2 weeks ago or we could go 2 weeks a week ago and we haven't really heard anything or we haven't heard anything since. Oh, no. All right. But Mr rusted was was very, you know, wise and had a plan be in place and so he wrote a statement that Brianne and I had looked at and I think other people had looked at to and it's very good so we're including that instead. Did anybody have any final thoughts on the report for Part B, or any other things under this agenda item. Okay. I just want to express, you know, I did a lot of writing, but I just want to express my thanks for everybody's contributions. You know, I mean, every single person who's on the screen, your voice was in my head while I was writing and I remembered specific things that you had said in various. And I just had such a sense of a team effort and everyone's intelligence and experience in forming the whole report. It made me, made me proud to be able to get down so many brilliant thoughts that the group had put forward. Thank you, Mr Vernon Jones. I'm going to be honest when I looked at the report that document is amazing. I really do you think that we're making history but the report was so detailed amazing the graphics everything about it I can't wait to put together the book, and to see all of our recommendations through, I think, yeah. Thank you. That's all I can say thank you to words. So the next agenda item is a press implementation meeting follow up. I was only able to attend the last quarter of the meeting today because I had a work meeting. So I want to defer to Mr Vernon Jones, this Walker and Miss moist and to fill the group in on the implementation meeting. Mr Vernon Jones. I did take back to the group that the CSWG was not satisfied with not having 247 and the implementation team agree. Russell we can't hear you. Is there any way you could turn your volume up to. You're very low. Let me just talk louder. Better. We did take to the implementation team the concern of the CSWG that it was not okay with us not to have 247 and the implementation team agreed today that we would have 247 response. And exactly how to staff that and pay for it and all is still underway. And there may be some hours when people are on call but on call means they will go out in response to needs. And that was a big shift that we got from the implementation team today and it's totally thanks to the input of this group. We also have not worked out the details of dispatch but we have a complete agreement that in addition to calling 911 there will be a, another crest, there will be two other crest numbers, one which goes through a dispatch center of some kind and one which can reach crest responders or the director directly. So we have a lot of details to work out but that's all that much is agreed to. I might ask you to repeat that because we just last miss Pat and I know that miss Pat felt really passionate about that piece of it. So I'm not sure she went but she fell off the call. Look, there she is. Miss Pat, can you hear us. Yeah, my battery died. I don't know why I put my ear close to the screen. Russ. Did you hear about dispatch. Nope. We have not worked out the details of dispatch at all. And Mike curtain has not been available to consult with us about it. But we do have an agreement from everybody that there will be three ways to access crests one is through 911 one is through a number, which is a crest number that will be handled by dispatchers. And again, we don't know who or how. And then one will be another phone which goes either directly to responders or to the director of the program when the directors on duty. So there'll be three different ways two of them will be crest specific without any police interference or access at all. So I guess what I want to say about that is, you know, I didn't expect that we will accomplish everything that we started bed with the CS. Community Safety Social Justice Committee and yeah, perhaps could take up on that because if we don't, you know, we didn't have to amplify the alternative 911 number in order to provide purpose to access services. So I'm hoping that the, the replacement group will continue to work. Some of the work that we're currently doing and come up with additional recommendation moving forward, even if we didn't accomplish everything. If we can make sure that we communicate that to the town council on Monday, that we're not able to complete everything, but we're hoping that the replacement group, you know, will take on things that we didn't get around to do. It's in their charge. Yeah. And Miss Pat, did you hear about the 24 seven. No. Oh, we, we took back to the implementation team that the dissatisfaction of this group about it not being 24 seven and we now have an agreement that we will have 24 seven response. And even if there are a few hours on a few days when there's not somebody on duty they will be on call and the people on call will go out to respond to calls and be paid for that. I guess that's what you do with compromise but it's not good enough for me that is something the way the way I see it is good faith effort being made that it's not ideal. Can people hear me people are out. Okay. Yes. It's a good fit, fit effort, but it's not what I envision it to be and I can speak for the rest of you. It is what it is but thank you. Thank you guys for bringing it up, you know, back to the team. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, again, I'm happy with the in terms of at least having this opportunity to have it be 24 seven. And then, you know, my thing is always pressing right in this new group is going to have to be the one to press it to make sure that as it increases and there's more people calling in, because especially with this other with these other numbers and that's going to be key. That's the area that we're really going to have to really figure out how these other numbers are going to function because people aren't going to trust the 911 so they are going to trust these other numbers to crest dispatch one or the one that goes directly to crest. So that's going to have to be really marketed well because as that increases, then there needs to be more staffing and more funding put towards towards press, which again the CSS JC will have to put the pressure to make sure that it happens. We're running out of time. You know, that's right. Don't want to get well. I'm applying. And Alicia at the time console. Beautiful. Thank you, Ms. Farera. I also joined the implementation meeting just a bit late. I think Russ gave a pretty good review unless there's anything Miss moisten that you think critical that we missed. The one thing about having the doing this with the PD, I will say is that we get input that we don't necessarily think about like the PD and the fire department have a clause that they can't live 15 miles outside of the border of past, you know, more than 15 miles past outside the border because of reasons of emergencies and on calls. And, but those are the exact same things that will have to imply to some degree to some, if not all of the responders at the same time. So I mean those are that's a piece of it that we're when, you know, we forget about certain things that bring really good value that we're working with them together to get these things done. Yes, you know, it's those little small things so it was a really good meeting today. And I think that moving forward we'll get some more progress and it will start to move a little faster. I did not know that that's a new information to me. See. Thank you miss moisten. Does anybody else have any questions in regards to today's implementation meeting. Yes, I do. So moving forward after November 1. What is the status of three of you in terms of press implementation as CSWG will be dissolved. What does that mean. We will remain on the implementation. Good. Okay. I would like to add that I'm hoping that even though CSSJC will be involved, there will be need to be implementation teams for other parts of other recommendations that have been made and I'm kind of hoping that we can swing with including some of the folks from CSSJC and Ms. Walker, Ms. Owen and Mr. Vernon Jones, if possible, right, because it your vision they're helping make it come through the implementation helps it come to fruitation and then we just all work together continuously because a lot of the recommendations are going to require implementation. Thank you miss moisten. Are there any other questions in regards to today's implementation meeting. Any status around hiring quest director. Solaris. Did you guys, you know, bring that up. Yes, so that we are still advocating for higher pay. And so Brianna and I will have a meeting to advocate for that with the town manager. Is it actually tomorrow. So tomorrow we'll have a meeting. Yeah, so tomorrow we will have a meeting with the town manager to advocate for that further. So there hasn't been any real updates from last week I don't believe. No, it's the same for the DEI director the only change for the DEI director that I can think of immediately is that some of those bullet proofs bullet points there's like a page and a half of bullet points and that just when we look at the salary already looks uneven and so while there's got to be a way to wordsmith it so the same point is getting across but not so many bullet points. It just, it a page and a half of bullet points and then the city of Pitts field just advert is just advertising for their chief of diversity and equity. So that there's just like on a page, a page and a half and it has all of the same very valued points and so we need to shrink that it just looks like too much work for what you're going to get out of it. And there's got to be a better way to word it so that there's not as many bullet points. Thank you, Ms. Myston, Mr. Vernon Jones. Yeah, I would say let's let's try to get the, once we have the higher salary level we can, we can wordsmith it to a. I don't think we are advertisement needs to include everything that's, well, we advertise an entire job description. So what ends up happening is like on our town what so everything directs the applicant to the town website so we have like if I advertise on jobs in the valley there's a specific link that's connected to the specific acquisition. So when you click on it, it routes you to that specific acquisition that way we can track how people are finding out about the different jobs. And so when you're on our website, it has the entire job description listed on there, but like if you go on to jobs in the valley you're only going to get the lead in, and then use the link below to reach out. So, that's what happens there. So we will wordsmith it down to a reasonable number of words. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Vernon Jones, Ms. Farera. So in terms of the implementation group and the, you know, the three of you, obviously, is like, who, you know, while we have this gap and the CS implementation group and I'm saying not CS as JC is now established until when they start. Can you hear me? The internet is saying it's We missed a little. We missed. Yeah. You want to shut off your video. Yeah, you're freezing up a bit. Okay, can you hear me better now? Yes. Okay, so I was saying that Sorry, Deborah, I think we're still using you. Okay, you can go ahead and then I'll They put it in a chart. Go ahead. I was saying there's no chat. Maybe if you try logging out and locking back in. Okay. And then I don't know Ms. Pat, if you also had your hand up. Yes. So would the implementation team, like continuous, like what will happen when you become town councilor, so it will be two of you now then or No, I mean, I think that Alicia can still be a part of the implementation team. Even if her role changes in January. And hopefully by January, we are like almost ready to roll out. I'm really hoping that by then. Because in theory, even though we keep changing the timeline, we still need to stick having February being the rollout time. So Any job description for the responders yet. No. Sorry, I was muted. We have not worked on the responder description job descriptions yet, but we did get some direction from Leap that they've just they have provided us with their report, the implementation team. So we have some guidance there and I think we are possibly hoping that the director will, once they're on board will help the implementation and the selection of responders and all of those things so it's all in the works but we don't have anything finalized for that yet. So my last question is, um, if I were to go to MS website, will I be able to pull and implementation meeting notes, how would residents know what is going on. I remember Dr. Shabazz, you know, was it concerned about how do we know, and I would trust, you know, the CSWG members representing that, you know, how do we keep up with what has been decided discussed. Are there like meeting notes. We don't currently have meeting notes. And we weren't like, we weren't given the okay to record live and do all of that because it's, it's an implementation group and it's not a committee per se. So, I think that's something we should talk about. I think that I would like to let Deborah ask her question because I think she's go if she's going to ask what I think she's going to ask it's going to be along the same lines of like who we would be reporting to you. Deborah, do you want to just finish your question while you pop back in before I finish. Well hopefully you guys can hear me can hear me now. Yes. Oh, no. Oh. All right, just just go ahead. No, go ahead we can hear you now. It's just go ahead I'll just listen. Can you text it to me. Okay. Okay, thank you, Miss Ferrera. So I wanted to address the fact that there will be a gap between the CSWG being finished and the creation of the CSSJ. Thank you. And so, I'm not sure because I'm not sure if we discussed whether or not the implementation team would be reporting to them if they are officially a group before January, or anything like that but we, we haven't currently established anything in regards to that. You know, I've talked to Paul about whether or not this was going to be open to the public and I, you know, I don't want to speak for him when he's not here but what I will say is that the implementation team's goal is to go reach to the community to do community questions by many different means and checking in and letting individuals know where we are. So the first one we did was kind of I believe to get input the next one that we do is to kind of say where this is where we are, and to receive input from where we are and, you know, what the thoughts are from there. And then to have another one like in every in probably like quarter steps of what we're doing. I think that because it's made up, you know, what I'll say is the implementation team is running in the same manner as any other staff meeting that doesn't technically isn't open to the public. Hi, Winston, Miss Pat. Oh, sorry, I think miss Owen, but miss Pat, if it's the same question I think that if that's okay with you Brianna to allow miss Pat to continue. Oh, no, no, go ahead. Brianna, it's okay. Are you sure. Yep. So my question, would it would, would we be a bit, would we be able to post meeting notes at the bare minimum, because what I'm hearing from the community is people are excited about the Cres program but the community, a lot of people don't have any idea that the chief of police is helping us develop this program and that decision that are being made with him. So I think if we could at least publish notes it would help to build community trust for the, for the program notes at the bare minimum. So I think that's why it can't be recorded, but notes on progress. I don't think that the community should have to wait until quarterly forums because at that point decisions already made conversations already had perspectives are already included. I think the one thing that I really got from bringing the implementation meetings back to the CSWG is hearing everybody's perspectives. I mean I think I should talk to Paul tomorrow. Okay, I, I have Deborah's text. Yes, go ahead. Okay, so Deborah says, who will the implementation group the reporting to before the CSS JC is in place with the group post on a website. So the community is kept posted on what is happening. Did I read it again. Thank you miss. Thank you, miss and miss for era for the input and so I think if everyone is okay with that we can discuss that with Mr. Bachman tomorrow because we are going to be meeting with him tomorrow. So I, my suggestion when you talk to Paul tomorrow because I won't be in I'm feeding the football team tomorrow is that you suggest that there's a website created for Cress, and that that information can be housed on that website. And things like other, you know, other programs that are similar that to this can be also like a resource to that can be on that page as well so people can kind of have an understanding how other communities are doing it. I mean, that is the way that I would try to move forward with that if he's not going to have it open to the public. So of course yes first ask for it to be open to the public, and then if it's not going to be at the bare minimum, I would request for a website. I mean they would need a website anyways, so I guess we still have not addressed Deborah's question. So who will be the three rep reporting to. So what is the point of having three of you still be part of the implementation team, because the benefit of you guys currently is you bring stuff to us. And we give you guys feedback, you take it back. But if there's nobody to report to. So what is the So what then I'm just going to say that it's important that Alicia, Alicia and Russ and Miss Brianna attend the implementation meetings. And, and trust me, I was like how does that work out because you guys will be dismantled and then we won't be bringing the information back to you. But at bare minute they need to stay a part of the implementation team somebody from CSWG needs to stay on to speak in the voice of I mean they I just know that they need to continue, if possible, to stay on the implementation team I know that we're not reporting to you guys or not reporting to another group, but the input that they bring in every meeting and the advocacy that they do for the community and every meeting is crucial for the cause. So I like a depth suggestion that perhaps, you know, the three of you can post your notes on the town website, at least, you know, some of us who still want to follow what is going on we can go there and read it. This is something I really was afraid of, like, we will end, and there is no replacement. And, you know, things will fall apart. I am not saying that the three members should not continue, but how effective is the question mark, because they need our support. So when you guys came with with issues last week, you went back and said, you know, the group wants 27 24 seven, and now there will be nobody to like support you guys. If you guys raise issues. So, you know, it speaks to the priority that the town places on BIPOC appears that that's all I can say. That's all I can say. Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Verna Jones. In addition to whatever else we do. I think getting the CSS JC up and running as soon as possible is really critical. So we need more BIPOC needed for that is more BIPOC applicants. Yes. That's the key thing that will move that forward. Yes. And, you know, it started off the first day that it opened up we've received several applications but this is Amerson somehow. Not always do black BIPOC community members apply for, or yeah, so apply and so we need more BIPOC community members which part of it is I think, because also you just don't want to say you're a BIPOC community member you don't want to be like we need to have to be able to make a selection of the people who are going to be able to get the job done, who are the most educated and next and have an expertise somewhere in there to help get that job done or some lived experience that will help move it. So, please reach out to people you know and so not only is it going to be CSS JC but then we have Rob coming up and so all of those are going to need to be like and so we really need the advocacy. I, you know, I'll start Facebook and stalking people but it would be nice if and I'm not sure you guys have but we just we need that community, like, push from each other to help encourage people to help make this change, right, because what's going to slow it down as the membership at this point. So the time manager have a target date so. No, I mean it's just we're just waiting for folks to apply. And so whoever's applying from this committee please do so. Like, you know, and the way that the meetings are designed can be any, you know that will be up to the group so you know maybe at the beginning it might be more often but it can, you know, change to biweekly or monthly or whatever monthly. So that's something that you guys will decide as a group together. I can, I can do, I can do weekly normal. I understand weekly the first couple, maybe one or two months, but monthly. Yeah, no, and so but that's that's something that the group wants the people are appointed that they need to make clear right like we're only going to meet once a month or we're going to meet biweekly or whatever it is. And then that's the way that it rolls out. I've been talking to people, and I think the way we've been treated as WG, and feeling that everything that we recommended wasn't taken seriously, and people were talking to me like, Pat, why do you want me to join. Why do you want me to come out of it basically just, you know, they're telling me that our group, you know, putting so much time and not much gained, and they don't want to waste their time. Is this feedback I'm getting from some people. I understand that and I understand that frustration from the community and from looking at it with municipal eyeglasses on or through a municipal lens. You guys have made major move movement, even though not you guys your recommendations weren't aren't at this moment being created the way that you want them to necessarily, you know, for instance, like the Crest programs not fully funded. So, or to the to the degree that you had recommended, but the fact that this committee created an entire two departments is really big in the municipal from a municipal standpoint. And so I really encourage people the only way that it's going to happen more and happen faster is if we all come together and just keep working and working and working. It's going to slow down after a while, but that's the only way that it's going to move and you guys have done made incredible strides at the same time. But I understand how the community feels. Thank you miss and miss moist and Mr Vernon Jones. We're going to try to end by eight. Okay, so if it's okay with everyone. There's just two agenda items left one of them we already briefly touched on. So unless there are any last questions or comments in regards to the Crest implementation, Brianna and I will bring that up with Mr Bachman tomorrow to see if there is a way that if we cannot open it up to the public that we can at least post meeting on a regular basis and on a website. So if that is okay with everyone, I will move on to the next agenda item. Okay, great. So the resident oversight board follow up. So the police union representatives have been made aware by the town manager's office that all matters concerning the Crest group and oversight group will now be necessary to bargain. Mr Vernon Jones had sent out the original document of the resident oversight board before we had edited it. And I believe that that is the document that they're in possession of so I know at the last meeting we talked about Brianna. Writing to the chief in regards to the membership that we talked about the changes that we talked about however, the original, they have the original proposal before our negotiations. And that is what the police union is currently looking at Mr. I don't believe that's correct. Because the chief. Let's see, I called the chief to confirm a meeting that we had scheduled with him and he told me that this was initiated not by the town manager. This was initiated by the police union that they wanted the lawyers to talk. And I, we don't we don't know for sure that it's that they're claim is negotiation but anyway, the police union and their lawyer have gotten involved. And, but I had already made the change that the membership needed to be people without police experience. And I sent that version of it to him and he told me that that was the version he would give to the union. Okay. Thank you Mr Vernon Jones for that clarity. Miss Ellen. My question as to whether the prior law enforcement background had been put back in to the document because I thought that we had sent the document prior to negotiations to them. So that was my mistake, but then we did have an earlier document and then but he, he and I talked just when he was about to have to give them a document and I said wait until I send this to you I'll get it to you right away. Okay. And it was exactly what we have now but it but the exclusion of police experience was was in there. Thank you Mr Vernon Jones. Miss Pat. So I really, I feel that we didn't need to push the new replacement committee to start next month. So, Miss moisten if you have the add or something. I you know, I'm happy to post it on my Facebook or something like that we need to start reaching out to our network, so that we can support the implementation breath pressure implementation reps. At least they can report to the new pool. You guys need the support. Yeah. And so I will ask Brianna to do a Facebook, create a Facebook, not this Brianna it Brianna to create a Facebook. What is it called story or whatever it is. And then I'm, we can grab it and share it out. Okay, that way you guys can have it. At least at the minimum to start. What do you think, middle of November or end of the but that's I don't know that that can happen like that just because of the process. What's the interview process and then it has to go before TSO I think it is and or no GOL and then GOL refers it back to the council, and then it can be approved by the council. I'm looking at like at minimum a month for that process. But the other thing that I wanted to go back to speak about Rob and probably the CSS JC is that somewhere you probably need to talk about who's sitting on the interview committee, because I think that that the individuals that are going to be on the interview committees for these two committees are very crucial. As opposed so the way that it's set up now the chair of a committee, the town manager, and someone from the resident advisory board sit on the interview committees and the staff liaison. But in most cases, I mean these are brand new committee so there's not that and I think that you're going to want these to be very similar to the way that the reparations committee was done, the way that you guys, the process, the interview process that you guys went through, where the interviewees are BIPOC community members that are not necessarily attached to the town. Thank you miss moisten and Brianna correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that we already advocated for that to the town manager. Create the interview team and that we would not be a part of that, but that they have a good. Okay, going on. But is it in writing somewhere because. Again, it is I don't okay because I don't know how long Paul is going to be our town manager not saying that he's leaving anytime soon, but not only that but I had this conversation with him today and he didn't, I mean like it. He didn't say that we've already been in agreement about that so. Okay, so. Yes, go ahead miss pot. Want to sit. That can you talk now. That can you talk. Oh no. Well, let me try. Can you all hear me. Yes. I'd say an unstable so I don't know. And I'm going to be able to hear me. We're hearing you. You are. Okay. So the question that I opposed to miss Pat was the committee that that chose us. Why couldn't they be the same committee for Rob as well as CSS JC because they were a very great committee obviously they brought us all together. So why couldn't we have them be the ones to select. I think at this point for the beginning of it, that's fine, but I'm also thinking about long term and when things change and people and new members come in. And so it's not just now that we have to worry about I mean literally, we could pause contract is up in two to three years I believe. And so, if he doesn't renew it then we have a new town manager. And who knows how he's going to interpret I never say that word understand or play off of things. So I'm just saying that make sure that things are strictly clear and in writing so that there's no mistake down the road. And also, you know, you know what if some of them are unavailable you need to have a backup person on that interview for those interview committees. It is this almost the same people who interviewed you guys that interviewed reparations but there's no saying how that works out or plays out five years from now or three years from now so Thank you, Miss moisten. Mr Vernon Jones. I would totally support using the same committee that picked us. It's not perfect, but in the document that has the charge of the new committee it says selection committee should be comprised of diverse residents who have social justice diversity equity and inclusion experience should be appointed by the town manager to vote based on selecting the CSS JC members. So that's what's in writing now. Thank you Mr Vernon Jones, Miss Pat. So you guys know. I mean it would be our culture that will be presenting on Monday but for all of us to know for people who didn't attend the replacement committee charge presentation. Last time Monday Joe have questioned why by by book select committee should be created in the first place to interview she questioned it. So that might be, you know, some quick follow up questions from town council on that on that replacement group. It was a very stressful but productive meeting. Can you just repeat what you said about man to Joe questioned what the question by by selection committee for CSJ community safety and social justice committee. Yeah, basically what we're discussing now Monday Joe is against it. So, you know, just, you know, to set the record straight. He thinks that I already is standing committee that does that that interviews candidates. And why, you know, create another one she questioned that yes, there's no standing committee that does that. I introduce new men for different committees. So what happens is there is a resident advisory committee, and it has three members but only one of those members sits on each interview. So people don't interview with the whole entire rack. It's just one individual because at each committee interview is the chair of the committee, the staff liaison, Paul, and then one member from rack. I do not know that. I suppose that's what she's referring to. She was referring to that it's already a system in place. Why do we need to create a new one. And your point is well taken. Jen, like, you know, we're doing it now but we need to make sure that we have something inviting five years to come who knows who the next time manager will be 20 years to come. I have a question about selection of this, you know, this replacement group and Rob in the future. So, Thank you miss Pat, miss for era. I mean, I'm just saying it's going to be critical for us to follow what we had put in there that it be diverse people with those social justice diversity inclusion, lived experience experience to be on the selection committee. I mean that's going to be key so we can't let go of that and it's already in writing. And like we said, we already have a formula that work really well for our group. Let's use the same formula but that formula can be continued, especially with all the written work that we have that basically communicates that. Thank you miss for era. Okay, so, would you all want us to just leave the document as is or would you all want Brianna and I to discuss this also with the town manager tomorrow. Discuss what the, our thoughts regarding the selection committee. And how do you want, how do you all want to address this. I'm hoping when I apply that my folks interview me like we did when we came on to see a WG is what I'm hoping. And so do you think that the way we haven't indicated in the charge is enough to express that or would you like. Okay, I think thank you miss Pat, miss for era. Well, I think, I mean, why don't you all just suggest, you know, having that group and then if that group, if some of the members of that group is not available the ones that chose us to make sure that they get replaced with other BIPOC people that have the experience that we're looking for. I think you know I think we want to be as direct as possible with the town manager because I think if we give him any wiggle room. I think we want to go the other way, you know, so let's just be specific direct since you all are talking to him, just suggested hey we want the same group that was in place when the selection committee that selected our group CSWG. And if some of those members are going to be missing, then replace it with the language that we put in for this new selection committee for the selection committee for this new group. Be very specific. Yes, for Mr. Vernon Jones. I also just looked at our proposal for the resident oversight board and it specifically says the town manager so shall select a BIPOC majority committee to screen and recommend nominees for the resident oversight board. Thank you, Mr. Vernon Jones. So I think we were pretty clear in our writing our intentions in our in our descriptions. And I can make that suggestion to the town manager tomorrow, just so that he has that but I think that we did make that indication in both cases so I think that that is good. And is that something that everyone is okay with in terms of moving forward on that. Yeah. So, does everybody in this group know about what Monday Joe state stated about her concern and objection on majority BIPOC standing committee. She had problem with that. Did we not give an update to the group. Huh, did we not give an update to the group after we presented I just can't. We have not. No. Yes, you might give me an update. I, I remember hearing it in this meeting in one of these meetings. No window. I brought it up and then there was a lip. Presentation and I table that. Oh, yes, I think you're right. I think we just did have a brief conversation. I wasn't sure if you all addressed it again because I wasn't able to attend the full duration of the meeting. And to be completely honest, my recollection of that meeting is not super strong but I can give a brief overview and if you all fill in for clarity. Oh, oh, can you all get on here. You're just shorted. Yeah, I can summarize it. I thought the meeting was definitely stressful. I felt like we were able to tell the town councilors why it was so important to have stipends but I do feel like there was confusion around why majority BIPOC. And the comments that Mandy Joe made were very divisive and felt awful to be honest I didn't even know how to respond in the moment. She had made a comment about 70% of the town being white. She had made a comment about well what about Asian Americans in town. Yeah, it just like it wasn't good it was a lot at once. And then after those comments had been made another town counselor had made a comment that she was courageous for asking us that and courageous for standing up and making that comment in the first place, which felt really offensive. I'm trying to think what else. Wait, I'm sorry. And then I responded back and I stated for Mandy Joe to stop dividing BIPOC community, trying to put black people against Asian people. And I also asked her if she could tell me any committees that are, you know, I asked her at the meeting. That's so many committees in this town and made up of white folks. So give me an example of another committee that is super majority of black folks. And she pointed out to school committee at the lead or something like that, which was in super majority in the first place. I didn't know what she was talking about. So that caused some eyebrow for people who listen to it on YouTube. And I got a lot of personal emails and text messages from people and some groups decided to post it, some rice and the fund for, you know, and I think it was also on MS in the in the newsletter as well. And yeah, so I don't know what we're going to face on Monday, but I said that we needed to address this about I just meeting about obstacles that we encounter, I believe, yeah, but anyway, I think the last thing that I wanted to say to you about the meeting that kind of like threw me off. It could be wrong, but I swore that she had quoted something from a DEI training that she had done, which felt so harmful because Miss Pat myself and Alicia were there to explain and talk about the successor group and for her to just dismiss our lived experience why we're saying that and say well oh and a DEI training. It was awful. Now they talk. They also, they're not very welcoming to the idea of tipping. And I basically told them, like, it has to happen if you want to recruit, you know, by purpose. And some of them were feeling, you know, shouldn't happen or just, you know, you know, make so that was no money decided the time manager will decide what the stipend was going to be. It's all, you know, one obstacle or the other, we bring up something, you know, the questioning the question they don't want it to to move forward. But at the end I thought, um, it was separate productive even there was stressful, we got something out of it. Thank you miss Pat and I did just also want to add in addition to everything that Brianna and miss Pat said, it was a tough meeting. I did also recall that Mandy Joe made a comment in regards to why we would be invest. Why would we be creating a committee that would be investing in the safety of only black residents. Yes. Yes, that was her actual specific comment. Oh, I just it's hard because not only did we never refer to only black residents we consistently referred to BIPOC. But to me, it is just a big, bigger signal of the anti black racist environment that exists here in Amherst, because I don't. I think this is a genuine question that people have that live here, that some of the white people have that live here. And so I think that in our report and in addressing the fact that our recommendations not going in the library that it's really important to address the culture that exists here in Amherst, because I think that that's where that comment really stems from education. Yeah, and so I also do see miss for with her hand up so I want to give her some time to talk. I don't want to belabor the point but it just again it's just so disappointing right that after all this Mandy Joe and and then you know the other town council member saying oh you're so brave to bring it up. It's just, you know, showcasing again that they're still at the same place. Right. And that we have to keep fighting that we have to keep bringing these things up because, you know, the divisive tactic this, you know the whiteness of the town, you know that keeps on, you know, just doing the same thing after like almost a year of us right. We're talking about this issue and how important it is, and this is what they get out of it and they just see what they want to see this narrow view, and they don't see the whole picture that what we're talking about is making sure that one is part of this community, but making sure that by park who has always been marginalized and set aside has the voice in this community and then not understanding this is just really frustrating but it is good to hear because, you know, Alicia you and Brianna are going to be presenting on Monday and for us to that are going to be there to support you, we need to be ready, we need to be ready to have these conversations and bring up these points, because, you know, this is why we're here we're here to make sure that this town doesn't get lost, even if they don't want to hear it even if they keep on, you know, turning a blind eye and not and shutting off the, the years, we're going to do it and we're going to hopefully have the support of the community, so that we can keep pushing these issues forward. Well said, that's the reason why I brought it up tonight. Thank you all for weighing in is 815 we should be wrapping up very quickly, I don't know if anybody else have heard this, but I've heard people may comment about. Oh, the tank also accomplished something. And that accomplishment was that they paid us different. I didn't even know how to respond. How do you respond to that. The accomplishment of the time council is giving CSWG stipend. They themselves are getting stupid too. It wasn't an issue school committee members get stupid. And they said, Oh, that is a movement. You know they're doing something, you know, for biker, they paid us stupid. I didn't even respond. How do you respond to that. They paid us $0.50 an hour for every hour of work we did. Like, wow, thanks, like we all of our meetings go over look at 812. I was like, are you serious? Are you serious? We should be happy. This was volunteer work. I do it again, but jeez. I have to respond to that. We should put that in our book. Thank you all. Thank you, Miss Pat. Mr. Vernon Jones, did you have anything you wanted to add? No, I just. Okay. So the last agenda item that we have was just, we've already actually touched on it. And so I just wanted to notify you all that the community safety and social justice committee is live and that we want to continue to spread the word. And so that was our last agenda item. Are there any upcoming? Oh, Miss Moisten. You are muted. I'm not aware who LSA Amherst is, but I didn't know if he wanted to take a last minute. Public comment, but I don't know who that is. So that always, you know. Okay. Do you want me to let them in? Oh, yeah, sorry. I thought you were just letting them in. Can I have one, one comment beforehand? Yes. Deborah. Yeah, I just wanted to say in terms of the CS CS as JC is just, yeah, hopefully, you know, and I know Miss Pat already brought it up in terms of like the time commitment, because for me, I am, you know, obviously seriously thinking of applying. But I wouldn't be able to do more weekly meetings and things like that. So that needs to be something that needs to be taken very seriously because that's the other thing, right? In order for BIPOC people to be able to take part in these committees. It's kind of like, you know, we have, you know, real life stuff that goes on like everybody else, but we have other things that goes beyond what usual people have. And so, you know, I want us to be able like I want to share it with BIPOC members for them to apply, but I also don't want them to think that it's going to be a weekly thing like we were doing, you know, because this is a standing committee I don't even think there should be a reason for that. So it needs to be something that's manageable so that there will be good representation and not like obviously this mad kind of timeline we were on, which I understand because we were a working group, but it doesn't have to be the same way for the CS as JC. One more thing before the person comes in very quickly. FYI, everyone, the time council did request that the new standing committee show this is something they requested that that should be annual report of the work, which I think is a reasonable request. Thank you, Ms. Pat. And thank you, Ms. Ferrara. I think we have the LSA Amherst here. So the LSA Amherst is actually sorry. Hi. Sorry about that. But I just, you know, one of your admirers and supporters and on Saturday we're really going to talk it up with we hope a fairly big group to come on Monday to hear your presentation and support your work. But I did want to say I thought it was brilliant. The text that you have in your report on the resident oversight board about why BIPOC resident oversight board needs to be a majority BIPOC and that and also the argument for the stipends and I think that covers all the committees that you are are working on that argument is very clear and very strong. And so I think that is the pushback against those who are questioning it. And I thought it was just really well said so I wanted to just congratulate you guys for that and for everything. Okay, good night. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any upcoming events that anyone would like to report? I'm just going to miss this group. Like, I'm having very. I mean, it's hitting on me like, Oh wow, you guys have become like, like an extended family to me like something I look forward to every week. And it's going to end I have to find another thing to do with my Thursday evenings. It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure to sense. Well, I'll save it for next week. We have reflection. Never mind. It's going to make us cry. Are you going to make us cry next week? Bring your tissues, bring your tissues next week. Thank you, Miss Pat. Miss Herrera. I just wanted to ask, Miss Moison, can you just send the link for the meeting on Monday to us, because that would make it a lot easier for me to then be able to share it with people. So I guess it's a different link for, no, it'd probably be the same right for us in the neighborhood. The link that's on the agenda and before I leave, I can post it on your website is the same one that will be used for the meeting. I mean, I just used their link. Yeah, no, I know, but if you could just like, could you just send it to us still too, because then that would make it easier for me to change it over to like me sending it out to all my groups and the people I'm going to be sending it out to. If you wouldn't mind. I see your, okay. Thank you, Miss Ferrer and thank you Miss Moisten. Okay, and so we did talk about the next meeting date we will meet next week and at that meeting we can talk about a final get together or ceremony. Are there any other topics not anticipated within 24 hours of this meeting that anyone would like to talk about now. Okay, and so with all of our business being complete, I am calling this meeting adjourned. Yeah, what time. At 819. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you all. Bye everybody.