 if yes just just poke me. Otherwise I would suggest for tonight we run this in English without any translation and then adapt if necessary if more people are joining. So as before I suggest we start with a quick introduction round from the candidates present and then we move on to questions from the audience and then there's a list of prepared questions that we've been asking the candidates and we can do that again and perhaps vary that a little bit depending on yeah interest from the audience. So I suggest again we start in order of appearance and Marina you were even here before me so if you want to start again with a quick introduction please. Okay I will never learn next time I need to wait a few more minutes. Okay jokes apart so thanks for joining thanks for hosting this third session and also thanks to who will find the time to list entity and watch the recordings later. I'm Marina from the Italian community even if from 2018 I'm in Germany so I'm half and half split between the two different communities at the moment. I started to interact with what was at that time open office when I was at the university so I was as happens really frequently starting to do some translations obviously to Italian and I was doing some QA so this was the initial way to start to interact with the open office project. Then with that when we had the fork in 2010 I was more than happy to join the open office side of the world and yeah with that I simply continued in that direction so always working with translations and QA plus with the Italian community we decided to give a legal entity to the local community founding Libri Italia. Always around that time yeah I was also no before the Libraffis time I was involved in the open office for kids project that was this C++ fork of open office with a custom UI design defined for let's say kids several ranges of ages but the idea was to have a simplified user interface of at the time open office. Then 2016 I decided to change a bit my involvement with the community and that was the first time I decided to run for the board the TDF board and yeah this is my let's say second attempt to be reelected in the membership committee and the idea is to continue to focus on growing the local communities and lower the barrier of the gap that is between the international project so TDF and the local communities and I think that that's all from my side. Thanks so much Marina and I just noticed Gustavo welcome 30 candidate joining for tonight we were just in the middle of the usual introduction round I was wondering given that the session tonight is targeted for the Latin American community if we should do some translation here to help with that and you would kind of be the guy who could probably pull that off I'm not sure I mean you're like your best connected there so you would know whether that would help or not. Well when I saw that there's no Latin Americans here I was surprised but the case I guess it's because we had a lot of activities during the last weeks because the Latin American conference I sent right now a message in our telegram channel to check if we will have more people here including Olivier I guess Olivier or Daniel can do the translation while I speak and the others of course so let's see it's a surprise I'm surprised but let's do it like that so my explanation is because we had a lot of activities during these last months at the organization of the Latin American conference. I'm clearly understandable and actually that's before you joined that's actually the reason I was giving and so let's do it like that. If we need I can translate for Portuguese or Spanish no problem. Okay then let's do it as you suggested so if there's community people joining we would then just switch translation on and maybe then we have Olivier or Daniel here so first of all welcome to Gabriele and Gabriele is also joining so we got four candidates in total and the next one we just go in order of appearance the next one for the introduction okay for me okay hello so my name is Shinja Inoki I'm from Japan and Japanese I joined the community starting the open office era 2008 and QA or QA coordinator and so event organizers and after started so liberal office I joined liberal arts committee and I'm also liberal arts Japanese team founding member so and now Japanese liberal arts Japanese team member and so in liberal arts activity my activities mainly is also in Japan and event organize or community organize and now so sometimes translating and quality assurance or ask or ask and so my business my business is also liberal arts support consulting but so in Japanese market it's very small and I saw my work my task is so everything without so without so development yeah and so it's okay and I followed that so another speaker's oh okay I sometimes so join us for other open source committee and open data committee so yes so for example so I sometimes organized so Japan Unix society events and this is a very very old so community okay and now past two years I'm so emissary duty and so okay yeah uh yes and I will so try to next MC thank you thank you very much Shinji and so reading the chat we we can continue without translation so so the next one in the introduction round would then be Kostavo if you would please introduce yourself hi so my name is Gustavo I'm from Brazil Porto Alegre and I have worked in the community since the open office org ages um and I well I have done all tasks in this project mainly in Brazilian community so since 2016 I was elected for the membership quantity and since then I have two um two main tasks um in my collaborative work first do the important tasks do the important task of handle applications with the MCM script inside the membership committee a task important for our formal process as organization and the other one my task as volunteer and um and someone who wants to push ahead the Latin American community I decided to run again because we are in a great moment for Latin American community uh we had a great event um last week that represents uh this good moment and uh I want to continue contributing with my experience inside the membership committee handle the applications now with the new tool called Proteus the the new MCM tool that uh fits our process with the GDPR law so I hope um we can run this we can finish the deploy and run the next this quarter or the next one I'm not sure with the new tool and solve this internal question with success that is it thank you so much Gustavo um and great to have you and also great to have Gabriele um excellent that you that you made it welcome to that session and if you would like to introduce yourself with a few words good evening or whatever I'm sorry I can't uh turn on my camera just because it's uh late here it's night and uh I can show me myself at the moment by the way um Gabriele Ponzo I'm from Italy the the middle of Italy and the center and uh I also joined the project when it was openoffice.org to be more precise they had the international conference in Orvieto which is a town in the province of my city so I decided to go and in that occasion I met all these fantastic people and I decided to go deeper in the project and uh that was the very let's say I was already a user um I'm an interested user an enthusiast user of openoffice and from years and uh but in that occasion I really decided to uh do the step to again to go deeper in in the project and in the community so um from that point on uh well there was the uh the the birth of the labor office project and then again there was a second conference in Milan just like this year and it was 2013 and in that occasion I became a member of the foundation and the next year 2014 I was elected in the membership committee for the very first time and uh since then I have learned so many things about you know the role the project the foundation and the role of the membership committee but what I have tried to to do honestly in last in those last years I've been also the chairperson of the membership committee when Kornos left for for the board of directors and in that occasion I just yes I took his place as a chairperson of the membership committee and from that point on let's say that I had the opportunity to uh how to say probably reached the top of my experience there meaning that more responsibilities I came on upon my head and for that reason I was able to have probably a wider site of the of the foundation and that was the moment I decided to try changing slightly something what I mean is what I also wrote on my presentation let's say and it's because my experience in the membership committee from 2014 was just to dig into the members evidences let's say let's call it that way I mean you know that to be a member you have to contribute to the project so we as a membership committee we have to uh see if a person is really contributing or not or is still contributing if he or she is asking for the renewal and that is the most the the main let's say role of the membership committee but from my point of view it was a little bit hard to see um uh limiting just because so I think I'm really so breaking off for me um I don't know if the membership having uh lectures and it's awesome now you're back I hear you again um sorry uh okay maybe my wi-fi is not working properly so just to say that we I decide I think we decided because it was an idea but I had obviously the the help of the rest of the membership committee and so that idea was uh took took place and we decided to increasing the work of the membership committee in order to uh trying to get in touch with the local communities and to listen to them to understand which and what are their needs and so that that's what we are trying to do at the moment too and I think it is an important thing because let's say that the membership committee from my point of view is not just to just a body who you know accepts or rejects the members but should be the body that cares of the members in the whole process so again listening to their needs and trying to represent them if if it's needed obviously and again try to grow the membership base so that um and the last thing I want to say is that uh from my point of view it's very important to involve the schools uh university but all are also high schools just because um it is really important to have new uh strength and new uh people in them in the foundation but possibly young people so that okay they follow the strength yeah um I you're still breaking up a little bit but I hope that the gist of what you said came across um I wonder if you can maybe just move a little bit so with a bit more stable so right now it seems like your real connection is good um well let's see if that holds thanks so much for that for that introduction to all the candidates and we would now move on and open up for questions so the the procedure would be that there will be questions from the audience if you would like to ask a question just just raise your hand or speak or type it in the chat and then the candidates would take turns to answer the question uh and then we rinse and repeat and continue with that so yeah would there be any any questions from anyone um for the candidates there have been some questions already on the list um some of them have been answered um so we would have a we would have a backlog of questions to ask but um let's see if there's from the local as in particular from from the Latin American community if there's questions yeah I should okay then um let me just fill in with the first question and then maybe that leads to more questions um um many of the candidates already touched on the um question hey Gabriele now we see you good to see you thank you everyone touched on the question of growing um the membership sometimes the membership sometimes the membership base that there might be subtle difference so um maybe a question to all the candidates what would be your plan uh to grow either membership or membership base um in your term and again we start um with Marina and move on to Shinji and Gustavo and then Gabriele please Marina but the members so with uh when I'm talking about members I'm in this case talking about not just the contributors of our project but I'm talking about what is defined as a board of trustees so the the members of the foundation that have the right to run for the board run for the emcee or in general to to be the the voters for for the elections so I think that in general is extremely important to to be able to represent all the different contributions area and also the the different the differences that we have inside the different local communities so with uh growing the the group of members what I have in mind but it's not just my idea it's something that we already started without the term that is ongoing um is to try to um increase the contacts between the local communities and the international group so TDF as International Foundation and with that start to grow um contributors that can then apply for the membership and in in a second time also maybe decided to be involved so much that they want to even be an active part of the governments of TDF so this one is the general the general idea how to do it one approach is to first of all start to learn more about our community um the first attempt was the survey then we organized those meetings with the with the local communities for uh getting more feedback and the next step is of course to continue in that direction with more of those meetings with the local communities with the others that we are still missing and at the same time working parallel with the feedback that we already got for trying to to make real the feedback the proposals that we already connected so should be a kind of continuous work where we are learning and acting for improving the the connections between the local communities and the international project that's it from my side thank you very much marina and a question with henderson and rafael joining uh should we start with translating now uh let me check um rafael anderson um was this something comfortable is in ouvir as it's supposed as english i'm asking them if uh they are comfortable to learn the questions in english yeah and rafael at least answers on the chat that would be okay for him so so let's continue in english then and um please do speak up poke me um on the chat uh or um just speak up uh and we can always um uh provide um brazilian portuguese or spanish translation uh so next one then um with answering that the question about the growing the membership base would be shunji please okay and so so uh so so grow the membership base is so uh i think so so many can many approach uh so one approach is the so each local community or each global project uh challenge to the new contributor and so that's so now so it's a different way it's also not active so area focused to the marketing uh so get to new con new new contribution so for example so or africa or so other countries that's so uh it's a little program because so uh who is uh working for the so enhance that's a new area and for very easy to challenge either so each area so now area for example so for me i i will try to the spread in japan it's easy to challenge and so uh i think it's a little difficult point is that so uh one point is a desktop application is now uh not a hot point uh i don't know so result but so uh so are we uh we need to search the so needs for the liberal office it's important point now i so recently in japan so some case is also windows server for the windows server and remote desktop using liberal office case uh some case i here and so yeah we want to the user base and after so contributor source uh grows up contributors and so step step by step is important i think so small step is very very important so it's not so so success to the big step yeah and yeah so and so money now say it's just so feedback is also important i think so i will try to so say uh so for the local committee so feedback get the feedback the continue so yeah i'm sorry i i i'm not so good i'm not having the good answer but so i want to try to small step thank you thank you very much shinji and for that for that um uh deep inside into the japanese project and what you're planning to do there thanks so much and uh next one and uh next one then would be costavo what's your take on that question um i think first we should get uh people interested in the project and to do it uh we should connected the project our actions with the mainstream um we did it here in latin american conference as uh i said in the one of our last meetings the first one with the japanese and asian community uh we uh had here lectures about python and libriofci and crypto with libriofci with a lot of people there one uh and we had uh a hands-on with afael here uh about python as well and uh all activities with this uh uh uh with this uh characterized uh were a success here in the conference and side by side with our traditional themes like documentation for example um so i think we can uh try to involve more uh engaged people with the project first uh and after that um probably and or i'm sure we will find people with skills time time it's very important and talent to contribute with the organization with the tdfs and organization with the engagement uh and as i say time time is important for for uh uh important time is important for important tasks um and uh to be part of the organization as a member with uh uh the responsibilities of a member so uh first the main focus is the project then after i'm sure we will find people uh from local communities from uh a cultural uh uh characterized uh with uh another place we we uh don't have people right now for example united united states uh maybe uh first the project and after membership and the organization portion okay thank you very much uh and that doesn't make a lot of sense like growing the let's like growing the membership base like the the number of people you can then going forward recruit members from um thanks a lot for that insight and uh gabriela you will be next what's your take yeah sure i'll say that there is not so much to add uh but um again uh it's important to um talk about the project and explain what is liberal office in all these sides all these aspects just to which is what i used to do uh during my lectures uh i see a red sign i don't know if you can hear me i hope so yeah it's wonderful that's all great okay i maybe i better turn off the camera so um uh the uh let's say that the first step so is the communication to inform uh the majority of the people out there that liberal office exists if they don't know that it exists and then to explain what is because not um not so far in the past yesterday evening i was at our meeting it was kind of a party to be honest and um you know chatting with uh with our teacher i said you know um part of the project of liberal office oh my daughter has been using so many years but you know so uh there is plenty of people knowing now what is liberal office as a software but they don't know what is as a project so the other sides of it and how uh they could contribute even uh not specifically as a development which is always welcome obviously but as i used to say there are so many ways to contribute and to have the project so and so there is so many people who could help in the project uh not just you know uh developers which are again welcome but uh talking in in kind of terms of statistics they are just you know kind of a narrow part of the society so uh explaining what is liberal office as a project and how they can help people can help it to grow and to improve better improve more and more and then from that point on trying to probe if there are people if um there are persons who like the idea and who could be interested in contributing so these are the first steps obviously and again i i'm aiming to the young people especially just because it's kind of you know growing them up with us so when they are involved in the project chances are that they could stay and uh and take care of the project for a long time and then obviously this this is just to um getting in touch with new people firstly as our community members but then the next step obviously well not so obviously but um hopefully it should be the the membership in the in the foundation uh as it was for me is as a further step to get deeper in the project and take some responsibility and for example in contributing you know regularly and then being part possibly of the of the elections and why not to to be part of the membership committee or the board of directors i mean at the end to slowly and step by step come closer and closer to the project and to our community and to the foundation itself so again to sum up explain what is liberoff is to one who doesn't know and see if they're interested and let them become part of a project especially for young people thanks a lot Gabriele and for nothing much to add you i think you you managed quite well to find to find find a nice angle to to dive into them so that concludes the first round we have a follow-up question from the audience um we could see that in the chat we would again start with marina i'm just quickly summarizing um so so with a very successful latin america conference um how can we like with the people showing up there which was like the numbers i heard was like something like three four hundred or something um how can we attract those people to become community members and then going forward uh tdf members well we we didn't have these numbers so with the italian community but i i saw something something similar also also there the point is that people that are contributing locally are not always interested to to do the next step for some it's just a matter of not being interested to to travel and to meet physically at the events of the the international community for others it's just a matter of time so probably what we can try to do in that direction is to try to uh organize activities on international level that can be delegated or coordinated better with the local communities so trying to make also the local communities part of what we are doing at the international level i think that if we can engage more with with the local communities then we can naturally see them also joining other other events the other step to to make i think it's also to organize more activity activities locally because at least this was my experience my involvement started in that way there were local events from the open office community i started to meet people i started to attend and with that i was simply yeah curious to to see those people that were just nicknames online or in general people that i was starting to know online so yeah i i think these could be an idea i mean 373 people attending the latter conference shapo really well done i hope to see something similar also at the other next future library office conference i mean the international one that's all from my side back to you darsen thanks a lot marina and yeah just to echo that impressive numbers there great job um yeah next one then shinji um your answer to that question okay so um yes sometimes so many people join the conference uh for example agent liberals agent conference but so many people uh not liberal arts committee member uh usually so so other uh very cross the community open source committee member so renex users group or so open suze or so debian or so contributor so comes to the event uh our event it's it's no problem so and and so as a case is uh so liberal arts committee member so active community member but sometimes not uh apply to the membership committee membership so i i don't know reasons so but so i i guess to uh so one reason is also physical physical problem so one reason is about language barrier but so one reason is also uh responsive responsibility so because so uh many contributors so want to the their task not interested to the governor's and and so checking the so english email also and or so governor government so email governor's emails so very hard work to read read to the email and so maybe they won't uh did so they uh want focus to own task i think so uh it's also difficult to solve so i think so one suggests uh it's also global news transit translating to the japanese and so or so each languages and sometimes so so catch up too easy to catch up but so not it's not uh i i don't know so it's it uh it is working or not working i don't know thank you thank you very much shinji and and yeah i think that's kind of repeat um pattern that that that language barrier is is i mean that's been mentioned frequently as a barrier um for for let's say because membership very often is like more international than than just being active in a local community so so that does resonate indeed but but maybe Gustavo um you have some some more insight there some more details on on that number and and the community there so um let me check the billion questions okay um yeah we have a big event here we have a big big event here uh and it's was a result of months of planning uh first um it's important uh to say that we counted with the tdf support because our country it's very big latin american it's big as continent as country and as continent uh so um a lot of people uh wanted to go to the event to to um to be together after two years um with online um relation um inside the project and after two years of our first latin american conference in Paraguay where uh we had around 100 people attending um um then for this uh event this edition in brasilia uh we counted with uh local team uh and uh university to host our event and uh engage the students the young students to be in our event the most part of the attendance were uh students in the first or second year um and uh another topic that it's important it's the topic about the connection with the mainstream connection with the interest of the young people uh and to do it uh we decided to focus in our competence in the in the competence of the latin latin american uh community uh we don't have developers here not for the project for for liberal office code but uh we have a lot of people interested in develop extensions in python and baski or whatever uh this uh is one uh of uh uh big topics this was one of the big topics of the conference and we had uh another topics like for example crypto crypto uh is a nice uh uh them like a clickbait to get people involved with the project you you can see a topic like this and well please think think twice use free software and liberal office to protect your your account and your strategy your setup uh of investment uh in crypto something like that and another point uh another important point is uh we also have a strategy to do yes crypto we have a strategy to keep exploring these topics online for the whole community because we didn't have uh uh streaming this year maybe the next one but this year not so we will keep exploring these uh uh uh themes these uh uh topics in online meetings during the next months for example involving the community and uh uh involving the students uh that who who was uh there in the conference i'm not sure i i answered all uh gillian cast questions but um well uh that is it for the moment thanks a lot kustavo for that for that insight um um i think one one of the other questions there like um so so what would you say like from from from the students um how many would would become community members or who already started to to play with extensions or play with the code or many of them uh we will start to use uh the applications uh for the first time uh maybe we will get i don't know uh five ten in the next weeks months uh we first should uh uh do a review of our conference inside the core team to identify uh the points uh we we rocks uh and the points we need to improve for the next conference so uh we don't have the the the whole context uh uh clear uh at the moment very cool very encouraging good good stuff there um thanks a lot and gabriella um your your insight and and of course i mean you have been touching that with the with with all your your work that you did uh in the italian community but but yeah just interested in your take now uh yes uh as i was writing my point of view is that uh we should let people have fun the reason for which i um i took part of the project in orvieto for example is it was just because i've met people in person and i had a lot of fun with that and i was impressed by the talks and the uh you know all the the topics they uh to say talked about during the the conference in orvieto i remember especially olivia was impressing me uh in particular i didn't know so much so many details about you know the usage of open office at that times in brazil for example so again my point of view is that uh first of all we should uh hopefully uh you know uh covet covet permitting uh we should try to get in touch with the person with the people as much as possible in person meeting person and let them let them have fun but not playing ping pong or or soccer or letting them have fun in uh in the libre office project so uh how you to say putting the hands on on the project the hands on the on the on the project on all its part for example something that really uh i really liked i i obviously uh how to say i look back to my experiences and i try to to get uh what wasn't appealing to me and uh i took i take these examples to to possibly appeal someone else so something was really appealing to me for example was the the um uh how to say the workshop we had in brazil one of the first times i was there probably the first time and i did my very first kind of patch i wouldn't call it patch because i just moved an underline from one letter to another letter on the menu but anyway it was improving because for example i'm a um power user and of the of the keyboard i don't use so much the the mouse so to me was very important to have uh um i'll just say a unique letter calling a function in the menu so again uh showing that it is easy it is possible and it is funny to contribute to the project but not only giving letters which are important really important but possibly well balancing lectures with workshops meaning that uh there you can play you can try yourself helped by you know mentors and other um elder members of the project who can help and uh introduce you in the project itself and and explain how to contribute in all the all the possible way to do that so possibly more than one workshop one for each area i would say so one for coding one for um the uh bacteria triaging so the one the workshops is Cisco is to to do and as well as also the marketing area or the translating area or the infrastructure all the areas i used to to say about during my lectures but would be really great to have one workshop for each or at least for the most ones and uh and letting people being involved on there with their hands on the on the project itself and realize how satisfaction how much satisfaction does it give when you see that your improvement your help have been um has been uh you know implemented and released in the in the next uh release of the of the software so that was something that really gave me back so much satisfaction and i would like to show and to let people feel the satisfaction just because it was something that uh appealed me so much and uh kept me within the project so for a so long age so long period thank you very much Gabriele and and yeah very insightful and and fun is such a great motivator and and that's what at the end of the day we're all here for like to have a lot of fun in the project thanks to all the candidates for for that uh for for all the extensive answers so uh are there more questions from from the community there's lots of background information and in the chat um i think that we can just let it stand for itself and people can read that um more even more insightful there um so if there's no immediate question i would have one um that kind of goes a little bit back to the to the initial question um which is um if you are a member then of course one of your your rights is to vote and um the participation the percentage of members participating in in the votes is um i think over the years it's a little bit of up and down but i think it's it's um over the years by and large the trend is a bit declining so is there something that um all of you as candidates would have in mind to make the voting more attractive or to kind of communicate how important it is to to exercise the right to vote we would start with marina again yeah uh so i think that for engaging more the voters we need to explain them that they can vote and it seems a a job but uh as i was also mentioning in the previous sessions we still have after so many years um contributors that aren't aware that tdf is also this legal entity behind the project that there is a legal structure with different bodies that are doing the taking care of the governance of the project so i think that first of all we should explain them uh how tdf is organized how it works and why it's important to to take part in the elections and also to to be an active member standing up for uh running for those elections um the other point is to communicate more and better because sometimes is just easy to discuss things in a smaller circle or sometimes we are giving the general idea the general feedback what we are planning to do we are sharing this with the community when less or more we defined everything and this gives the impression that the the members are not really an active part in this in this side of the governance so i'm really looking forward to desidem and every other idea that we could find for making the process of taking decisions and staring at the foundation more more open and more transparent we had already some steps in this direction but i think we should do still more we should engage more with the with the local communities i'm really stressing at this concept because i i'm really feeling at the distance between the the activities down on local level and everything else that is going on at tdf so i think that if we can engage more with the local communities and with the local contributors then being more active and having more people taking part to the election will be something kind of natural that should happen less or more naturally without searching people or sending one million of reminders when there are elections going on that's it thanks a lot marina and now that you mentioned desidem we actually get a little bit further there with the first workshop and setup and the training session planned so so there's progress and hopefully something to see rather sooner than later um yeah but on the sum uh get the vote out question shinji what would be your take to encourage people there yeah so in japan case so it is often not not important to inform um for maybe it's uh so for for the tdf members so it's uh telegram group so for japanese telegram group is uh notice is important and as a case is so using so twitter or writing blog or so uh as a social network uh sns or so meeting with uh yes maybe so another so each local community same i think thank you thank you very much shinji um so so yeah um i think that's just um uh confirming like indeed that like how important that is that that we have um like people like with with good contacts the local communities like to uh to to get the message out there and some thanks for doing that um then uh gustavo your take on that question um it's it's an interesting question um i agree with marina i agree with marina with all quality the comment i agree with all the comments from marina um and shinji for sure um but let me point um another question that it's important to solve uh after 10 years of project and two years uh without uh the the the right uh uh um the common way of communication um to encourage people to vote or to participate um we should also um do our best as uh bodies of the foundation and uh we had uh some conflict some communication issues in the last um i don't know let's see um one two years right so uh this uh uh uh uh scenario this panorama uh let's members far uh from the decisions from the participation so uh i hope i hope uh we can we can reach our path to a best moment for us as uh bodies of the foundation after uh some conflicts have some difference uh of opinions um i hope we can start it in the next conference uh in one month ahead in melano uh and uh for me it's too much important uh this topic because it's a way to demonstrate to uh uh present tdf as a foundation with uh uh the people uh that can uh agree uh even uh with difference between uh opinions or uh strategies or uh uh technical uh um questions uh when we solve this i think uh we will demonstrate to our members uh we are in the right way to encourage people to vote and see we are going ahead torsten no no i think i'm unmuted thank you very much gustavo um yeah and i think that there's a lot of truth uh to that that um yeah it's not fun to to see people um fighting so it's much more fun um if it's if it's nice and friendly so so i guess we'll touch a lot of point down um yeah so gabriela um what's what's your solution to the uh get the vote out question well i don't have a solution in the hand but i do completely agree with marina gustavo and shinji which is uh a good starting point i would say what i want to add to add is the question is out encourage more than members to vote well from my point of view to encourage people to vote um we should demonstrate that it is useful to vote so uh again surely we don't have to uh show uh ourselves fighting this is the first point obviously but also as i was mentioning at the beginning uh it is useful to vote if you uh can be heard from the people you voted just like in regular elections in politics and you know in our countries because at the end it's all it involves also some politics here so the question the the point is uh if you uh if we will be able to demonstrate that voting is uh useful because voting someone uh can bring a steering to the foundation or at least can uh bring the the possibility to be heard from those represent uh representing persons elected or voted so this is a key point from my point of view and uh so again uh listening to the communities listening to the people with every possible uh tool so including decedent discourse uh telegram and whatever it is not easy and sometimes it is also the opposite of easy it's really hard to keep track of all those communication channels uh but we should strive to make it possible i mean even with uh dedicated people appointed people to do that to track all these channels and and uh filters let's say uh among you know the the all the mass of messages uh now and then there will be obviously some requests and uh or some suggestion which could be interesting and uh which could deserve to be uh highlighted so uh again listening to the communities with all possible uh ways and so demonstrating that uh to vote is a useful act is a useful um gesture and um and that's all i would say because uh you know i've uh heard many times from community members uh something like uh but i don't need to be part of a of the foundation i'm already part of a community of the project i'm i'm fine with that this means that well one of the reason could be that um maybe this person hasn't seen the the reason to uh to vote just because uh maybe he or she has uh some idea or some suggestion or some need and probably we didn't uh give him any feedback to it could be obviously an option but at least we should from my point of view strive to uh to do that i see that marina wants to reply so marina please uh yeah i would like just to add that uh of course listening is the first step but then we also need to to start with to to to make uh concrete actions with uh with the feedback we are getting from from the local community otherwise it's just like to throw ideas and knowing that in any case on the other side no one is doing anything with all these ideas and all these proposals that are coming from from the community so listening to the community it's uh just a first step but uh yeah i think we should uh do better in making things real and concrete so the the follow-up part of it i just wanted to add this yeah that that makes a lot of sense thanks thanks gabriela also for for the very very insightful answer there so so so my summary of what then be that that you all four of you would exclude the possibility that um everybody's just happy with everything is going fine so and that's why why nobody thinks there's a need to vote it's more like um that's not feeling hurt if that would be my my summary of what you all said and and or like not knowing um or not not realizing that that indeed voting can make a difference marina wrong summary for me and no it's not wrong uh i think that also deciding to not vote is a sign i mean the assumption that some of the members are missing the the the step that they can vote yeah could be there but i also think that some of our members are just annoyed upset and not voting is a is a sign is a it's a way to say something and yeah it's true that with with covid in general several communities got less members active and so on is not just tdf but i mean it's not just covid the the reason of these negative trend i have this feeling and i don't think it's just a feeling yeah so um to tell you the truth that would also be my my hunch so i would agree with that that notion without having any hard data but uh uh yeah it's it's it's not nice that it's like that but it's kind of good that we seem to have consensus here that that is likely um one of the reasons behind that um okay so um that concludes that round um i was wondering if maybe from the latin american community maybe luciana if you have a question for the candidates i think rafael dropped out but um yeah just just to encourage you to to ask a question rafael is gone because he teaches at night in the university right but luciana is still here so i was wondering if she she has a question hi everybody i'm luciana speaking uh for me it's okay and i want to say that the conference here at brazilia was really interesting as gustavo said before we could meet after a long period of being all at home and so and so on and i want to thank everybody and gustavo principally rafael they were great and that's it my vote is registered and i'm here if you need something from brazil and from brazilia and from the the documentation team i'm here for that to help you okay thank you thanks a lot and uh yes indeed uh just um geom was uh was mentioning that the vote is open since about 26 minutes so uh what mile around us get the vote out um everyone is encouraged to um maybe after the call quickly check that um okay anybody else then with a question um otherwise yeah indeed thanks thanks so much everyone who who made that such a roaring success there it's all appreciated okay then let me uh paste the question again and um ask it um also here so um we've been we've been talking about the transparency or making things more more visible um in many ways and for the membership committee in particular um how much of the uh let's say processes decisions and discussions and perhaps also like the the yard sticks like how how are contributions evaluated how much of that should be public um either to the general public or to the members that will be the question and marina would you like to start yeah well there are some discussions uh uh in the emcee that of course can't be public and with this i mean uh the uh discussions that uh we are having when uh uh there is a uh a decision to take about a particular renewal or a new uh membership request and so on so it's clear that those kind of informations are uh confidential and we can't share that in public uh one could argue that maybe we could um aggregate and um provide a a kind of summary that could uh uh in any case uh without naming that the members explain better how this process works and yes we could do something in that direction uh but still in some cases um it's uh still complex because for example it could be the inexplanation that maybe is addressing uh i don't know a specific local community where we have uh i don't know one contributor translating for that language or um a topic that is covering a specific area of the contribution where it's easy to connect the dots and understand which is the subject of the discussion so for all those cases of course we need to be careful and avoid to disclose anything that could reveal those kind of confidential informations but for uh everything else that we are working on uh we can we can definitely improve and do more do better um we tried to to do something similar with uh this term i mean i'm talking about this term because i'm in the emcee for one term so i can't see i can't talk for um for what was uh was the past but at least in in this term we tried a bit more we were also thinking to to do something similar to what the board is doing so with uh uh in a public part at the beginning of our um meetings uh the issue there was that we ended up with a a slot for our calls that was just 30 minutes and in 30 minutes having 10 or 15 minutes of public part was definitely something hard to achieve but uh yeah we could for example go with uh uh just some public sessions like those meetings with local communities that we already organized and something that has been also asked in the previous sessions yes we could also try to document a bit more which are the contributions that are considered uh non-redial uh and we could give some more examples or some more guidance to the contributors that are thinking to to apply for uh for membership in particular because we had cases and it's quite frequent to get uh applications where uh uh the contributions uh mentioned are just uh uh i want to contribute to LibreOffice so i'm applying for the membership and uh yeah as you know it's the other way around you are contributing and then you can apply for the membership so together with those kind of guidance we should also explain uh um how the membership work and uh how the the membership committee uh works and uh yeah back to you Tostar Tostar Thanks a lot for that extensive answer and Shinji um what do you think um could there be more transparency from the mc? Hmm so almost i agree very much so yeah and so i think the point is so so some cases uh uh we didn't so response quickly for the application but this is a system issue maybe new system is uh this problem is clear and so communication is maybe important and so yeah and so uh as a point is the criteria that's so criteria is uh so define the very difficult um so a little so simple uh criteria can make but so uh it's not work or not at all um but so uh it's program to transparency i don't know so yeah yes thank you okay so so if i if i got you there but you you say that that that some criteria um are easy to to publish or to document and but that's other areas where it's not worthwhile because it's it's very very complex or difficult yeah so criteria so create criteria is uh uh we can but um so maybe so it's it's not sort of the transparency maybe and so detail so criteria is not clear creates the very difficult so okay thanks a lot so so but that does seem like like there was some um some at least the two of you agree that a little bit more is certainly possible and thank you for that answer um then Gustavo what's your take on that okay uh first of all um sensitive information about approvals or denies are for mc only um and this represents the main part of our our work but uh for sure we can turn uh our process more transparent uh a lot of members uh mainly those uh who have a language barrier uh fill in our form with less information than we need to decide uh every quarter we have this problem uh the question is that they work they contribute they participate but they don't share the information with us in the right way uh but it's not their problem um I think it's our problem to inform the members we need this those information um and for sure inform communicate better uh we'll uh improve our relation with the members I think it's a way to be transparent um to be uh to turn public our uh uh uh approach to decide uh because uh the process is uh the the main problem uh not the statutes or uh the the the contributions of the members if we improve the communication with the members um I'm sure we will do better our work inside the membership committee thank you Gustavo for that answer and um yeah I guess that that that is that there's some quite some truth to that that um like making people understand how it works then solves solves a lot of those problems because of understanding it's not that anybody's doing that on purpose um okay so uh Gabriele then what's your take so we do more or less of that well all my colleagues already spoke about the the sensitive data we have to handle when we have to decide about members and um I won't say anything more than uh what they already said because I think it's understood uh what we could do more is especially now that we are trying to extend the operations and the activity of the membership committee we could uh be more transparent on that part um meaning that as Marina said we could try to have public part of the part of the meeting or probably better proceed with these online uh regular possibly regular meetings with local communities and uh and this is um anyway I'm into a way to have to to be transparent and to keep in touch with the with the community meaning also that if they have some question about our operations our activities they could just ask kind of real time and um something we should probably improve is also the publishing of our minutes which is something that we do regularly but just for the uh how to say formal part about the membership just because we have to do that uh why the we call it private part but not just not not because it is private it just to uh separate from the formal part and uh you know indeed we call it informal sorry uh by the way we should probably improve on that meaning that we should try to uh publish more of what we discuss uh aside of uh of the membership strictly talking so uh renewal process and whatever about uh criteria is um I made some um uh template uh replying messages just because as Marina said uh it happens now and then but quite often that people first asks to be a member then willing to to to contribute while as she explained it's quite the opposite following our stages so uh I have a kind of template but also in that template I also have a link to some video what we could do is probably prepare some more video to explain better which are these these criterias and how to uh when to apply for membership how to become a member and uh how to keep being a member there are plenty of videos of our lectures to conferences mine marina Gustavo and we could also reuse that or we could decide by the time is not it's always not so much to prepare a specific video not one you know uh uh capturing our lecture but a specific video well done to explain this but uh to be honest it is something we should probably do but uh you know when you have not so many resources and not so much time from them uh at the end you have to give a priority list and so probably this is not on the top of it but by the way we are always open to any suggestions so uh from the audience here or from the membership base if there is some uh suggestion to improve our transparency we are open to uh to listen and possibly to react to do something in that direction to improve as we always try to do thank you thank you very much gabriela and some some great ideas there and i'm looking forward to see maybe maybe one of one or two of them uh turned interaction good stuff um okay so uh that concludes that round um i'm slowly running out of questions there was um there will be redundant questions because for example the uh conflict of interest policy that's been in use already by by you because you're all um uh current members of of the membership committee and um the other questions have been answered on the mailing list so yeah i would just um call out for um questions from the audience maybe one last round is certainly possible and um otherwise we can spend maybe the last 15 minutes um with uh just general discussion uh just open open mic and uh and uh and you just uh you just talk i have to say it's getting a bit late in uh central europe so okay um the other option is that um uh so if there's no further questions or uh i mean maybe just statements from from the candidates like closing statements everybody gets um three minutes and um and then we close the call if there's no questions three two one okay then let's have some let's say three minutes uh closing statement from from all the candidates and then we would um then we would adjourn and uh all head to to the vote which is open now so marina how about you start okay um well um what else to add um as i was mentioning at the beginning uh first of all thanks a lot for for joining uh and thanks a lot for organizing uh uh i want to say also thanks to to the uh to the team that uh during those three sessions uh i was helping with the recording of the sessions and uh we give uh a chance to uh others to watch the the videos the recording later on so thanks thanks a lot for organizing all all this apart from that um i really hope to to see those sessions of those uh more frequently i i like the idea to interact more with the local communities and uh yep this is something i i would like to to do in any case uh uh in the in the mc if of course uh the result of the election would be in that direction but in any case also as a normal uh member of the board of trustees so keep keep going with the uh questions ideas feedback and let's continue to to engage that's all back to you dorsa yay yes indeed thanks marina and shinji your closing statement okay thank you for all the uh attending and so organizing so so it it is uh very interesting so the discussion or so question or so as a session yeah i think so uh this is so continue with the good so good yeah uh events thank you thank you in-depth indeed shinji and uh much appreciated um uh you're spending the time and it must be must be very early in japan thanks so much for that um next one gustavo your closing statement please so um nothing more to to add um thanks to you all to be here and organize the sessions um i hope we will meet uh together in milano in some days and uh in milano i will be happy to share with you all our strategy our process uh our our engagement to uh reach the result of the latino-american conference and um uh well uh it was uh an amazing event uh and probably uh it uh is in our our mind because uh we expected a lot and we reached a lot um um and uh my enthusiasm to to talk about is uh what uh i hope uh i will see uh from you all from the community from the members uh in milano i hope we can start uh uh uh a new uh a new phase of our project of our organization there and uh i will be happy to be part of uh this new moment of our tdf so thank you all uh and uh see you uh in personal or online in some place thank you torsten here here and uh amen to that um so much looking forward to meet indeed thank you gustavo so much um then over to gabriela and your closing statement please here i am again i'm looking forward to meet all of you especially gustavo who can proudly show his italian passport hopefully by the way um jokes apart uh again it's it's all about fun so so um i want to say a very big thank you to you torsten to have been moderated so professionally and greatly this meeting want to thank uh gilem and all the stuff who's behind this uh event to organize to record and to you know provide the infrastructure which is not at you know uh given for granted and um my last statement apart from many thank you to all who deserve it is also uh i want to reprise something that marina said uh don't forget to look around what i mean is uh there are many communities especially in the open source panorama uh apart from us and uh we could try having a look to them to them behavior to them to their uh ecosystem to their uh tools and whatever and try to get the best from uh the experience and try to um create bridges with them to exchange uh positive experiences and to learn from each other and possibly to collaborate as well uh i remember when i first was in almeria it was for the kd academy and it was great to have such um contamination let's say uh of ideas of um habits and whatever between the two communities it was really stimulating i was really happy to be there and i learned a lot as well so never forget to do this and so to look around and to uh keep bridges with the other communities and then steal we who could say their best practices for the rest uh thank you for attending and the people who is attending on this moment and also to those who will be uh watching the other registration they're recording and uh happy voting and uh thanks again and good night from italy thank you so much carilla and to many many many many thanks um to all of you in particular to the candidates for all the time you're spending for tdf in the community for all the energy and the passion you're putting into that project and it really shows like it's just just great to to hear that this enthusiasm uh and this motivation and i very much look forward to meet many of you in person um in melano and um yeah so with that i think we can close this call many thanks for being here and um let's get the vote out and uh make liberal office in tdf rock and um wish you all a good night or a good day um in japan and hope to see you soon