 It will then it'll be easier to show That's the GIS hub Let's you I Mean it the goal out of Esri was to contextualize information so they were good at mapping and but they weren't good at Kind of putting a story behind it. So their goal was to help Be able to explain the data or show the data So I think the first one Stone environmental did was to put together one for the snow plowing and You know, what are the snow plow routes and how long did it take and what are the snow plows and and who's doing this? Just so you know, it educates the public on You know, it's seven o'clock. Why aren't my things plowed yet? But what you actually could go in and understand why? You know and you could actually look up. Oh, where's the snow plow? Nobody's plowed my street yet. It's like well actually they did but here's or here's why they send a small snow plow out to plow the Middle and then they send his other plow out that plows the edges Is it can you guys are you guys able to were you guys able to see it? I have not My understanding was it wasn't rolled out yet, but the goal was that By Telling a story by putting together storyboards. You can start to explain to the public or your audience different things About The data so that way the data has some meaning. It's not just a number Helps to explain Aside from that though just like on a basic level the functionality allows people to just create an Account if they want and interact or like contribute so they can see we can see they can go and Start putting points on a map or drawing things on a map and saying, you know, I'm interested in this happening Yeah, there's the push out of information and then there's also the take in of information So their stone is actually working to do kind of a you've heard of the point shoot click For for problems whether they're gonna have something like that for the city So you see a pothole you can take a picture of the pothole and And send it to the city via this Like the ones on any state. Yeah, you can click it and then it'll it'll send a marker and it'll get in They're just trying to work to make sure it connects in with the existing work Sheet system that we have because we already have a work program for the DPW So we're just trying to make sure that in the background. We've got connections So when people do that a lot of magic against put into a queue that will notify somebody DPW that there's a pothole I don't I don't know no usually it's usually what it is. It's just gonna go into the queue You don't it's an information gathering kind of there's an information gathering portal And then there's an information put out it kind of works in both directions So once we have this you're talking about sending it out to the public We we just send it out as is and give people a deadline to provide feedback It depends what the question is I think I think if there's a question that is helpful for getting input on whether it's a goal whether it's the the vision the goal or one of the tasks or You can put it out to get input I mean if there's an aspect of the sustainable Montpelier That we want to see what the public thinks of it. We could put it out there as a question We could put general things out as John was saying, you know, are there parts of town that you think Should be maintained as they are there are parts of town you think should be transformed Yeah, I think as when we we could just go out to What are what's your favorite thing about Montpelier and if you could change anything about Montpelier? What would it be? Can you put this on the map? And then there are can you put this on the map is the hard question Oh really because I think those people won't be able to make that transition But if they can just give us that information Yeah, I think it's important though to make it real Yeah I was thinking it's more of a big leap because a lot of the things that I'm hearing from People about what they love about Montpelier are for more like value systems So they're actually translating that into a tangible structure or plan Yes, but I think that's why that step is critical But we have a lot of things that there is the land use plan and there's the nuts and bolts parts of our city plan, but they're also You know it may come up that we now have a committee for inclusive in equitable Committee the committee for equitable How complex we can make it, but I mean just something as simple as you know The draft revised plan for transportation has been put up If you want to view it, you know the survey question has been put up by the energy committee Veriting X. Yeah, I think you know maybe a tutorial for the public in terms of how they could input onto this and Actually physically do it and How it's going to give us input I'm just concerned about just sort of going out at the very beginning in a very broad-based way because people tend to be able to React better to something that actually they can look at something that they Will depend on the question I think yeah, well, we have we have to have You know pretty distinct questionnaire and was that something that was being worked on before What was the questionnaire that was being worked on before Well, I think we put that aside, but it was something about it was there was the same concept Yeah, we started with the committees and yeah Something along those lines, but I think we can frame it in a way that's Approachable and that results in some useful information without Putting it out there or I would be concerned about you know leading too many like leading questions for people to react to or Starting with the plan and then asking people to help us plan. No, no, no, just starting with what sort of Maybe giving them options, you know so that that can kind of generate the conversation Yeah, well, I think we should be the first ones to go on this That been actually put stuff on. Oh, yeah, we should do that exercise here just so we can learn how Works because people are gonna ask us and so we've had the opportunity to You have to make sure it works and then no one wants to be the first person, right? And then for people who can't figure it out we'll send them to Mike's office Input it manually We could actually have paper ones for someone who wants to just draw on it But but I do I I agree I don't think we want to go back and just I Think the 2008 2009 plan was that opportunity for people to really just Give you the blank give you the blank canvas and have the public make the plan And I think we now need to kind of take those pieces and And start to move those for me in the 2010 2010 plan. Yeah, there's a lot of 2017 Good sections in it, I looked at it again Yeah, it's just not it's got that the idea is there and the public input was there and I think I Wouldn't want to go back and say let's start that that all over again I would rather just go try to draw on that to start building new things to start how we can move this forward And if in the discussion of how we move it forward We need to go back and amend the aspirations then we do that So when when will access my pillar be live or what's going to we use it is really the question I'm looking for I think it's gonna be a little bit Zach Is kind of running it in-house is out on paternity. So He's gonna be pretty busy Cuz only working one day a week in the office. So I wouldn't expect us to be able to start using him too much till Later So for now, I think we won't take long to get from where we are now March to May So for now you're gonna start putting together those resources on one place we can Look at them Maybe at the next meeting we can walk through the Google Drive and the template that the energy committee Be separate together And then depending on how that looks We can take I'm sure it'll probably need a few revisions So we can revise them between now and then and maybe also We want to come up with a big picture time line with some of those milestones or yeah And that's that's what I was thinking as if we just had an idea of what we what we wanted to accomplish by when then I can start Rolling that back and starting to push Where we need to push Together all those land use studies whatever the designated downtown the growth study and all those would be referenced Yeah, anything that we're missing people. I mean that's where we would go and have you know Anything that you guys would have that that maybe I don't have or I miss we should make sure we get it And if it needs to be referenced we should reference it Because that's really the hope is that people who really have an interest can Can drill down the information but for those people who want to just understand the big picture Here's our goal for our transportation network to have complete streets And here are the tasks that we're going to do to have our complete streets people really want to understand The energy transportation linkage they might have So would you start to develop a list for us to look at These resources I don't think you guys have to necessarily look at the resource Well, they'll be on the Google You can start looking at it to go and say I don't see the 2012 report At the next meeting when we walk through Google Drive in the template And set up our timelines We will be able to set up more detailed goals like everybody should review all of the housing documents For the next meeting and we're going to come in and give Housing or something like we can find a way to break it down into manageable chunks Because we really I think need to deal with us treat this like eating an elephant like one One bite at a time because it's quite a lot Yeah Simile and I thought it was that and I'm trying to get to to to figure out how to start to set that up Because it is going to be a big lift and what should I be kind of tackling first on Developing the work that the implementation plan for everybody and then we'll work on the chapter summaries or Just put both pieces together and get them both moving at the same time Well, so you typed up the goals that we were provided by the various committees Yeah, so we should get those on the drive But I'll start like I said, I'll start putting things in and and if you can make folders like housing Transportation everything transportation and they're just it'll help us go through the doc email you if I have any questions on This is still a little bit of a learning curve that should be pretty straightforward. I think yeah, I can't do too much damage, so Whatever you can fix it if it What's nice about it is everything is It's called with base so that everything has a unique ID and all the files are Folders are have a unique ID so you can move them you can change their name You can do all whatever you want and that link will still be based on that unique ID So you keep rearranging things or create a different view of them and You can have a let's say a document should go in a transportation and a housing one You could have it show up in both even though it's still pulling So you can't ever break the link, that's what you tell me. Right or it's really hard to Well, this sounds like a good plan Let's go home. Oh Sorry, one other question about this mic So when you're gathering stuff together with things like the proposals for the confluence part with that kind of thing Something you would include as well even though it's not an adopted Let's get it all It's the city plan It's whatever people wherever people want to go whenever people think is helpful I mean it may be a plan that only gets referenced as an example of a potential, right? It might not go and say we're gonna do this because it's still a draft But it may be something that says, you know, there are a lot of things that we could do to increase public access to our riverfronts and to To give the population opportunities to engage for example the River Conservancy developed three plans Yeah, and here they are and the city is gonna be working over the next couple of years To implement one of these I think might just be you can't even be over And I don't I don't think I have I have to be the only one to put it in as long as the folders are there, you know And then also for the design competition, I mean do we have what information from those to be trying Just put it put everything in there and then you look at this whole body of work We can draw from all of their strength Yeah, you can link websites Yeah, I think we have all that I don't know I'm gonna go look but I But if not we can get it in there, no, okay, I'm sure we'll be Yeah, and I think some of it is comes down to to I don't necessarily think no if the the sustainable mob pillar will drive Uh of the net zero over mon competition would drive The goals more than if we've got these goals We're gonna probably be looking to these five finalists For how we plan to get there Yeah, yeah, we want to transform our riverfront if our thing is we need to be transformational on a riverfront We've got five great examples of how to be transformational. Okay. Yeah, that's great. Yeah And if people are like we want to maintain it. We don't want to change anything Here we are. We have our channels. We have our channels. We want to keep them just like that Despite the fact they're kind of falling down but Yeah, okay Oh, yeah, so The main page here if you type in mopp.city You scroll down and There are some links here. You see Actually where So there's the energy The meaq is linked then zero mon pillar blog is linked resources the vcan the zero mon pillar Nets zero vermont and orca Media oh and the presentation youtube clip from the net zero vermont presentation five team bridges Oh, wait, it was embedded. Okay Yep But we don't want just team bridges. We're gonna want we can add everything you want No, no, I know but I'm just I'm just trying to sort of figure out. So that's the I just put this in as an example Yeah, burka Yeah, and then we just start dropping stuff in and if something doesn't get used it doesn't get used It's just there. We've got something to Maybe from the net zero vermont Link just a lot of it the written information is Yeah, and our eventual goal as we said is just to kind of get this down to where every chapter ends up Down to 1500 maybe 3000 words tops And then it just links to and it's going to link to a lot of things that people don't have to um Migrate through yes a pile of data and things we really want to tell we want to tell a story and We've got to meet our statutory obligations But we really want to go and engage people by telling a story Of what it is that we're trying to do why it's important and how you can participate So the implementation part of that Would that be much more structured? It would not be part of that 1500 Yeah, no the there should be just a written part we have to have a written part that kind of lays this out And whether it's just a web page, you know john ever talking do we need to actually have a written document For what? For our legal plan or can we get away with doing a web-based plan? Oh So I was just saying we should I think we should adjourn and if you have more I mean you sound like you have more discussions, but we can let john go home and Well, you're ready to go. I think all all four of us are ready to go. I think we are so you're not feeling well And I got to drive back to her. Yeah So thanks for coming in everybody and we'll adjourn for this work working session. Okay. Thank you Yeah, we are done