 Welcome to Toffy TV. I am joined by Everton legend Andy Gray. Lovely to see you back here. Lovely to be back. Lovely to see you back. I made up. I'm just looking out there again and memories come flooding, flooding back. It's like it was yesterday. It's like I'd walked out there in the first game I played against Forrest. That was my debut I think. We beat them 1-0 and it's just coming out now and getting ready to go. It's good to be back. I haven't been back for a long time. Obviously I'm living in the Middle East now. So it's brilliant to be back and good to be the company of my own mate Sharpie and Reedy and Pat Bannonhall. I remember that debut. We were talking around your chest and square for Adrian Eith. We beat them 1-0 at the street end. I did create the goal for Adrian who had been having a bit of a tough time. I remember Graham was injured. He got injured in the midweek against Coventry. It was a cup tie, a league cup tie, scoring the winner. I remember saying the injured on that day, listen, you need a goal. I said just any time the ball comes in the box, anywhere near me, you get yourself around me. We'll see if we can work on that. Luckily it happened. We got the goal, we got the winner and that was brilliant. They just went from there. It was great. Fantastic story. Still an Evertonian. I know you play for Willer and Wolves and people like that. You always seem to hold Everton in the highest name. Of course, how could you not? This is a proper football club. I came here and played in the most successful period of its history. We shared things. Me, you, the guys, the punters, the players, we shared things that no other Evertonians shared. Very few downs, amazing highs, FA cup, league, European cup minus cup. A fraction away from doing the treble before that lot over the road. That would have been wonderful. That was the only thing missing. I just wish we had completed that season when in the treble. That would have been the first time it had ever been done. It would have been nice for us to have won on that lot over the road. It wasn't to be, but just great memories. How could I not think of this as my club and being part of it? I always talk about it as we, because that's the way I feel. Fantastic to hear you say that. Moving forward, obviously last season. What did you make last season because it was us as fans. We were so optimistic going into the new season. What did you make of it? Everyone was. Even us in Qatar. We were doing the thing, a show at the very beginning of the season. Keyzie said to me, what do you think? I said, well, I'm new coaches in. I'm hoping things will be good. We've lost to the cackle. That's not great. It's going to be a massive void. But we've spent £150 million on footballers. I'm hoping that we should be still in the top six and maybe pushing for four. He said, Keyzie went top four. He was one that was so convinced that we were going to make that jump. But it never happened for whatever reason. I don't know. I didn't think that Cuma never settled on a system. He never seemed to settle on a formation. He never seemed to settle on an 11. He was always chopping and changing one day back three, next day back four, then one up top, then two up top. The team never got any rhythm into its football. And it struggled badly. I don't know, again, not being here. I don't know why. He just never seemed to... I don't know whether the players bought into him. That's what it seemed like. I didn't quite buy into what he was doing. So something had to happen. It did. And listen, Sam's a mate of mine. I know Sam well. And I actually thought at the time it was going to be a really good appointment. I thought that Sam would have thought, this is my last chance to go in. The best club he's ever managed, the biggest club he's ever managed, and really make a point and show people that, bang, I know I can do this. And again, I don't know why it never happened. And in fairness, I don't think Sam conducted his PR as well as he might have done. There were a lot of Evertonians not happy with things he was saying and what have you. Because this club's synonymous with being successful. And it wasn't being. But he did what he had to do. He settled it. He made it safe and assured our Premier League status. And finished one place below where we did the year before. So he did something right, but it wasn't the way that Evertonians wanted it to be done. And I get that. I get that 100%. And so did Sam. So there had to be a change. They've made the change. I think it's another big gamble for me. I do. I hope it's something unfounded. But he's a coach that has a certain reputation. He took all down. He didn't do Browning at Watford. And we have to hope that this is a perfect fit. Sometimes coaches go somewhere and it doesn't work. It's like players. I came here. No one knew what it was going to be like. It was a perfect fit for me. Perfect fit. But I might have gone somewhere else and it would have been awful. So I'm hoping that Marco comes in. And I know he likes to play football. And he'll be working with good quality footballers. And he's got money to spend. The club have got money to spend. So he's in a fabulous position. A much better position than most previous Everton managers. Certainly Moisey had nothing to spend every year. And did brilliantly for 10 years. So he's going to have the most money to spend. So he has to show us that it's right. And it's no use. See I don't think it's any use finishing eighth or ninth next year. When we've batted Sam for finishing eighth. So he's got to hit the floor running Marco Silva. And I hope he does. And I hope the players buy into him. And his way of playing is conducive to what we like to see at Goodison. We like to see good, fast, attacking football. We're not overly bothered about passing the ball around the back. We found out we were Roberto Martinez. Roberto did a really good job here in a lot of ways. But we got kind of bored with it. Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. We like to see fast attacking football here. And if he gives us that, then we'll be okay. So I wish him all the luck in the world. I hope he's successful. Cos we've had a couple of years. A bit of Manchester United when they lost Fergie. They had a bit of a dip and it was hard to come back. When we lost David Moyes, we had a couple of decent years. But it hasn't quite been the same since in that respect. So we hope that he can lift it again, as I've said. Because I think this is a big season for us. The others are going to go on the big six. They're going to move on. We have to be sure we're still there with them. So money should be spent. Spend it wisely. Get them playing. Get us competitive in a way that Evertonians like. And he will be very much accepted. What do you make of Marcel Brand's appointment to director of football? Is there a model that you buy into? Or do you just accept that that's the way it's going now? Because obviously the game has grown so much. I don't know what the model is going to be, is the honest answer. If it's the model where the director of football buys all the players that he wants with his staff who have scouted and says to Marco Silva, there's your players, make them play, I don't like it. Because the coach has to have input to who he wants and who he doesn't want. Who he wants to keep at the club, who he doesn't, who he wants to buy. If it's the model where Marco Silva and the director of football get together and the director of football says to Marco, who do you want? What do you want? And Marco Silva says, OK, I need a left back that does this, this and this. I need a midfield player that does this, this and this. I need a centre forward that does this, this and this. If it's that model, fine. I don't mind that. But the coach has to have a massive input. He's working with the players. He knows the way he wants to play his football. So he knows who he wants in his team. If it's the other way, as I said, where the director of football buys them all, says to him, hey, you go, that's your lot. I don't like that model. I don't think it would be good for everyone to have that model. So I hope there's a communication between them both, where they're both working together and bringing the best players together. I think to be fair to Marcel Brands, I think he's said that he's got to agree with Marco Silva because he's got to work with them. Just let me ask you very quickly, Wayne Rooney. It looks as though he's going to move on now from Everton, DC United have been speaking soon for a while. What do you make of the whole, you know, Rooney leaving Everton? Do you think it's the right time? What do you think of him coming back first of all? I know from experience because, you know, I like Wayne. I spent as a teenager in my early 20s. I spent a very successful period at Asenbiller. And then left and went back when I was 10 years older. And you're not the same player. It's difficult. Wayne had that. He was a genius when he was a child here. He went away, he had an unbelievable career at Manchester United. But then, and I think part of the problem is, the expectation ever Tony's thought they were getting the same Wayne back. They were. And it was always going to be hard. Listen, did he disappoint? Maybe sometimes. But when you look at his stats and his facts, he was terrific. I mean, goals that he scored and the games that he played were up there. Probably the top bowl scorer. There you go. So you can't argue with the stats that say that. But I think Everton have to move on. And I think it's right for Wayne. I think now at the age he's at because he's not like Ryan Giggs. He's not the most natural athlete. He's always had to work very hard at his fitness. And that's sometimes you get lucky. And I wasn't, you know, but I was kind of skinny all my life. And it was easy. But there are some people who have to work really hard at their fitness. I think Wayne's one of them, Alex Ferguson. Many years ago said about Wayne, he has to play football. He's not a good player when he rests them up for a couple of weeks and bring them back again. He wants to play and play and play. And he wasn't going to get that in a second way. He wasn't going to play every game. And he wouldn't play every game this year coming in. I'm sure Remarco Silva. So I think it's, you know, he's been brilliant. A total Everton legend. Everton, he should only remember, I hope, the good things from Wayne. And there were many, many of them. So for him and his family, probably it would be nice to go and spend a couple of years in the States and just relax and chill and enjoy his football. Because he's played football since he was 17 under massive pressure at the two clubs he was at, Everton and the United. So go and enjoy it, Wayne. Take your family there. Have a look, you know, see what the other part of the world looks like and enjoy it. You deserve to do that. Yeah. Thanks very much. Andy Gray. Thank you very much for watching. Thank you.