 Thank you for Kibikanskapani. This is why 254 discussion Monday kicks off right now. We are talking about the political statement. In particular, we are looking into what Honourable Kalonzo Musioka said last week that he will be where the president will be. And on a local station he mentioned that he will be in the ballot camp 2022 tonight. That's our discussion. We want to see that they have what it takes. There was a meeting in Okambani, Charles, and three people in the helm that is the governor's. We heard Makwen governor Kifu de Kibwana, Charitingilov Kitui, and Motuaro of Machakos, they didn't attend that meeting. Yet Kalonzo is here saying he will be in the ballot. Is his house caught in court in order? Good evening and thank you for hosting me today again. Kalonzo, first of all, I can say as per your question, is house not in order? Bearing in mind the three governors rode on his back to be the governors. In 2013, a action, he took a road on Waipa to become the governor. And after he became the governor, he galvanized his own political space. He created his own political space. Then he came up with a slogan of mind, a little chap chap, which later turned into a political party that was registered. And the political party itself gave him a comeback in 2017, where most thought that was a shot on a leg. But no, it was like a plus to Mutua. In other word, he was sending a message to Kalonzo, with or without you, I can make it. Remember the challenges he faced Mutua himself first, the court battles with Wavinyan deity, that still he maintained and led. And remember the Mindelo chap chap itself has members of county assembly in Machakos, also outside Machakos. We go to other areas like Embu, they are members of Mindelo chap, they are MCs of Mindelo chap chap. And it also had serious contenders in the election. So this one becomes a challenge. So in other words, Mutua does not need Kalonzo, but Kalonzo needs Mutua at the moment. Secondly, let's go to Makweni. When he went in first in 2013, he had Mungano party, not with Kalonzo, he was alone. So this one he was given, he was voted in on that party. And he got it, then he did his development. Remember when the YPCS tried to fight him on development that he could not even pass in the parliament, in the assembly, I'm sorry. And even we had him say, I asked the president to dissolve Makweni county and we are ready even to go for a bio election whereby he believed is ready. Remember who was fighting him? The Waipapa people. He won in 2017, he just said, let me be with this guy and see. So he came and was with him. So Kalonzo also needs Kifota Kibwana and like the other way around. So if they choose to attend or not, it adds nothing to them. Gilu, 2012, 2013. And they come from the same place actually? Yes, now Gilu and him they come from Kitui. And these have always been in separate camps. Remember that? They have been the political figures of Kambani since. And they have always been in separate camps. Remember when Kalonzo was in Kano, Gilu was in SDP with Nyongo. When he went for that election for Presidents in 1907, Mamata. Then it came in the year 2002. He was in Nakh, with Narmaluwa and the other people. So, and Kalonzo was not in that picture by then. So Kalonzo took himself to Gilu in 2002. After the thing of, after the frustrations they got in Kano. Because they believed he'll be picked as the candidate to succeed Mui. But things went against the thoughts. And to make them now think of a way to go. So they formed Nakh National Rainbow Coalition. That was a coalition that brought President Kibwana into power. This far we can see his house is not in order. His house is not in order because these people, they don't need Kalonzo. But Kalonzo needs them for him to stabilize. That's the fact. Because one, Gilu controls the Kitui County Assembly. And you've seen the things Gilu has done in Nkambani. He has a record of health from the time he was a minister. The one who studied the thing of health facilities, even at the national level when he was the minister for health. The things of water he did it when he was the minister for irrigation. Now he has gone as a governor in Kitui. He has done the same in Kitui. And he's doing, she's doing a lot. Okay. So this is a person who has her own support. She does not need to rely on Kalonzo Pass. Because remember he ran, she ran on her own political party. She didn't rely on Waipua. She went on her political party. And because of the frustrations she had in Jubilee, the first term, she decided let me join this because I want to flex my muscles politically. I want to come back politically. Let me just join this position. And she did it. It is either you are in NASA or you are in Jubilee for it to be somewhere. And that was the fact of the day by then. All right, speaking of the man Kalonzo in 2007, he was duped. There was the orange democratic movement where they even formed a Pentagon. I think that repeated itself in 2017. But still this man Kalonzo has continued to be duped over time. As we speak, the Jubilee house, the kinder and sort of know the leader who will be. Although it is divided, but we can tell who will be the leader. But he Kalonzo says where he will support the president where he will be. So if president wakes up tomorrow and says I'm supporting Dr. Ruto in 2022, what happens of Kalonzo? Is he hoping to be the vice? I can say Kalonzo statement is a very reckless and dangerous statement from where I sit and my own observation because when you say I will be where the president will be. One, you don't know where the president will be come after 2022. Will he be at home? It was so many times. Yes, there are people pushing him to be the prime minister. And there's no way you can... In other words, I was thinking critically. There's no way you can come from a top position to a junior position. Because being a prime minister has just been like in charge of the cabinet. Okay. But these people never retire, they give in later duties. Okay, fine. And looking at Huru himself, he has said several times, I'm tired, I want to go home. I'm tired, I want to go home. And remember the presidency he has right now, it is something that he was forced on him. That's one thing we should consider and put in mind. So to some extent, as much as he's being pushed, as much as his cronies are coming up with ideologies and other things, you know at times you can bring up, you can spark up a debate just to read the mind of the people. Or just to create animosity within the area. Or to try and understand what the other person is trying to think. And from that you see even what Kipchumba Muukomen wrote today on his Twitter handle, that if Jubilee party, with the majority in 2022, then the prime minister comes to the president if he will contest with Moshe Skurya and win. Remember that is the statement. That's how he finished the statement. So which means there is already a preplanned thing between Moshe Skurya and Uru Kenyatta to contest in one or the other, who will be the prime minister. So Kalonzo has no space. So Kalonzo has no space. Kalonzo is trying just to create himself as a sympathizer like he did in 2012. The shuttle diplomacy that he used to do, thinking that when he does the shuttle diplomacy he will be considered as the best person, bearing in mind that going and working outside the nations because it was that we need to have a way to get out of the hagg. So he was on the shuttle diplomacy so much trying to negotiate with other countries on that. Now he has also brought up another thing of shuttle diplomacy whereby he wants to go around so that he can negotiate the debt that Kenya has with China. And I heard him also mention that thing of shuttle diplomacy. Fine, it is not bad if he can negotiate. Fine, it is not bad. If he is good at that, it is good. He can do it. We will be very happy if our debt is well managed and negotiated downwards as a country. And for him, for 2022, the question is what if Uru will be at home? Will he be at home with Uru? But if I could use what he said, you think I will come from up there and fall here. My friend, I will be somewhere. Does it mean maybe even internationally this opposition is looking into? When we talk of international law. Actually before you respond to that, sometimes this year when they were in Machakos he said I will be your handsman. Yes, responsible. Now right now Uru has power. He controls, he has a say he can negotiate outside. And the privilege he enjoys as a president, sitting president to protect himself from political competition is not the same privilege he will enjoy when he is a retired president. You cannot tell me that Kibaki can negotiate something for somebody outside internationally for someone at the moment because he doesn't have any political fears that may be worrying him so much. So for him to say that talk of the deep state. Now I want to bring in the issue of the deep state. When you talk of the deep state, the question comes, does it mean that there is something he knew that his friends in Odea record and NASA deans know? Because he comes out clear very much emphasizing about the deep state, looking into his statements. Because when you look at 2007 election they were all in Odea. Then he went with Odea and then it was Odea Kenya. So he went with Odea Kenya. Then this one remained Odea. So these are some of the things that he came out to divide. And that's why at a statement he used ita pita katikatiaw. Yes, when he became the vice president. And yes, he did it. He was the vice president, Kibaki was the president and then now the prime minister. So he was one of the longest serving president in this constitution. Yes, yes. So he did so. Now when we talk of now he brings in another thing of deep state. Does it mean that he also want to bring in the scenario he did in 2007? This is something that we need to look into. And if it is so, it means then there will be a re-run. Because if he goes for the elections, if he vies in this area, then the way it will be who is his deputy. Who will be his deputy president. Now, and that's what it will mean. Now we have three serious contenders. For example, let me say Ruto. Then we have Amsalia. And then we have Wipoim, Kaloza himself. Because these are the three people of Dikila that will be in the ballot on the ballot come 2022. So these are some of the people that have some support. Now the first run up or the first person won't gana 50 plus 1. Now this is a re-run. That needs people to sit down and negotiate. And remember he has said we shall form a coalition post and past. Pre and post. Whereby we shall negotiate before the elections. And after the elections we shall negotiate. So what idea does this bring in someone's mind? Either we are going to be strong contenders in 2022 and number one won't gana 50 plus 1. Now it brings a re-run. And a re-run there has to be a negotiation. Whichever way. So when they team up he's there in the government at the end of the day. So when he talks of he be where we will be he knows what he is saying also using the deep state. I want us to touch on NASA because as we speak it's like NASA is dead. Only one man is showing interest in the opposition. And the other person is still there. That is the Ford Kenya. ENC seems to be strong. We have now wiper trying to say they will go their way. Odium began a while ago. So it's like NASA is no longer there. What will take Kalonzo to beat Ruto? Having in mind in 2017 and 2013 this NASA they were called actually they just changed their name. They were the same. But they were coming against the forces of Uhuru Ruto. And the same thing happened in 2017. That we don't know now what the president is saying. But also we have it in mind. Ruto is still there. So what happens? Will they have the enough forces to drive out Ruto? So all I can say NASA in activity it is dead. On paper it still exists. Because with regards to the document that was submitted three parties need to pull out. Then that's the end of NASA. So none of the political parties has pulled out. Even the Chapchap is still there. No, Bashi Nani. No that one pulled out long time ago. But you see they see three. But these are no three. You see they say three. But it's only one that pulled out and joined the other party. So it still remains even if Wiper lives today then it's the NASA stands on paper. But on the activity no. Because everybody is championing their own interests differently. They have their own different ideologies. And Nani lacks consistency. Kalonzo lacks consistency. Because one if you are personal with the ideology then when you believe in yourself then he could not have gone for the position he was offered in with the with the Guru. He could have said no. Let me build myself. Because one this is a position that is keeping him busy but even to attend to his political matter seriously. Not even to sit down and strategize for 22 seriously. Because we are sitting down strategizing on how you can create peace in South Sudan. On how you can make South Sudan become a nation. But you don't know how long it will take. That's one thing that is very very disturbing. Look at for example on Davadi in when he failed to gana a seat in Sabati in two or two. When the Guru tried to offer him he said no. They have said that I be at home so let me be at home. Till when they say that I should come back. Then he came back in 2007. They voted him. He came back. In 2012 when he failed the election when he lost the election at the presidential candidate they tried to offer him because they were in coalition in Jubilee. They tried to offer him cabinet position but he declined and said no. I'll fold my way forward. In 2017 which he did. So for Kalonzo he lacks consistency and for him because he was a strong contender in 2007 from my position I believe Kalonzo could have maintained that so that people should know this is what I stand for. This is what I go for and this is who I am. Now he was branded watermelon because he doesn't have a clear stand. He doesn't know where he should stand. He's just somebody who can wipe this way and that way otherwise he's wiper. But as we speak about him and 2022 is not far. Do you think Kenyans have faith in this man? He was the vice president. He performed in this time. But now the time he has been out there's nothing we can point to the honourable Kalonzo has done. But now he's coming back saying I want to be the president. Do you think now at this point Kenyans have the faith considering what we have been going through for the last say 10 years? Kenyans won't take him seriously. That's one thing I can say. Kenyans won't take him seriously. And it will be hard work for him. And you see when Mdama say that I'll work to make sure that Kalonzo and Ruto are working together in 2022 and this is a personal friend. Something yes Kalonzo has said is a statement not my statement but you see this is his personal friend. This is a person who has always led negotiations even in kod it is the one who led negotiations or Nasa it is Mdama who led those negotiations. So when he speaks he knows what he's speaking and maybe it will be so and when he comes and says I'll be where the president will be. Remember one thing yes we might say the president and the deputy are not in terms but you don't know what is behind the curtain. That's the point now because there are those rumans that he will be where the president is. We have Mdama saying he will make sure the deputy president and Kalonzo are working together to mean there is some relationship between the deputy president where people believe it's not happening but there is. So that means that would be assigned to the people who support deputy president and the president they will root apart let me say that they should still have some faith that our house is somewhat in order. The house is somewhat in order I can put it that way because when you look at the support he enjoys in the central Kenya the deputy president in central Kenya is an overwhelming support overwhelming support which no one can dispute. No one can dispute and he knows how to work. If you work poorly then he doesn't have nothing to do with you look for somebody who is competent enough he puts there. For like the case of Haiti it is a gold case. He looks for somebody else who is competent enough and he'll put him there and this person will support him at the end of the day. So for Kalonzo bringing in such a statement you never know what if the president still maintains the standing head in 2012 that yangu kumi ya ruto kumi then which means Kalonzo is with the is just his statement is still right. I'll find no question as we wind up. Yes. Will Kalonzo become the deputy president because he wants to be the president the negotiations will go on table the deputy president Dr William Ruto wants to be the president do you think Kalonzo will take the seat of the deputy as we wind up? In a better position Kalonzo wants to be the deputy if we can pull the competition as the things are today and looking at the change of times and change of tunes based on the bbi and come looking at the also the statement the deputy president issued in Eldred the other time that is what amass people to die for me for president if it is just because of presidency let it be what does he mean I can go for I can go for the prime prime minister position in one or the other looking at I have the majority members from my area and from other people who support me from the other areas so I can marshal people I can marshal MPs I can control the parliament I can control the senate then I get the prime minister position then I control the cabinet so where will be Kalonzo Ruto has already done his mathematics in one or the other but it's a win win it's a win win situation for him okay and that's why he he has come out clearly saying I am supporting the bbi I'm not objecting I'm supporting it fully and you are ready to go for it all right you'll find your thoughts my final thought is that what I want to say on corruption issues based in counties let Kenyans be auditors of their own counties let us question the budgets let us question the projects and let us question the allocations that have been channeling to counties what have they done are they satisfactory to us or not because a lot of embezzements of funds is happening in the counties we just heard yesterday the governor at the senate of Bungoma crying of the same and it's a serious issue embu are crying right now so these are some of the things that we need to look into all right many things for coming and sharing your opinions in this particular discussion he has been my guest Sayla's little political analyst coming up next is Waimasha Rikidi J.T.Ska and Kendrel this will be here for you I'll be seeing you again in the new yeah many things for being part of Y254 news highlights the whole of this year that is coming to an end and I want to say thank you so much actually even tonight thank you so much Jane Mwender watching from Nakuru we appreciate your company and many others who have kept us company everyone who has contributed this year to the production of this news highlights I say a big thank you I'll be seeing you again on Monday have yourself a very good night my name is Dereva Hillary have a blessed new year