 Howdy folks, Anthony Dream Johnson here broadcasting live at a 21 Studios global command in Orlando, Florida I'm joined by these beautiful patriarchs to my right and left including Hunter Drew from the family alpha comm Alumni speaker of the 21 convention and Socrates ambassador speaker of the 21 convention veteran speaker of the 21 convention professional architect and Author at manningupsmark.com and author of course of the map your personal guide a sexual marketplace Hunter's book here as well 31 days to masculinity this is actually a special episode of 21 live and We're talking about the patriarch convention coming up the 21 convention patriarch edition talking about patriarchy fatherhood marriage family divorce all these issues But specifically geared toward the event coming up this year the first one in the history 21 studios Focused on those topics focused on fatherhood focused on fathers and focused on all the issues and concepts surrounding that in the culture right now Gentlemen, thanks for joining me. Oh, thank you. Hell. Yeah, Hunter. Thanks coming to town. Yeah, fresh off the plane this guy So we have a lot of topics we were discussing out front We're smoking the pipes, you know hanging out chilling out when you got into town now One of the ones that really struck me that I wanted to dig in was a lot of them obviously one of them is the fact that we're even doing a Convention an entire conference an entire live three-day event on these topics on fatherhood on patriarchy on masculinity on Male leadership from the perspective and the red pill applied to fathers and fatherhood and family So I wanted to talk about why that even exists in the first place and what that means to you guys Both of you followed the convention for very a couple years you especially sock for a long time Hunter You're an alumna speaker now. He's spoken twice moving up. Yeah, I'm moving up the ranks man You're keynoting this event. You're the chief patriarch of the event and I'm excited to have you man Let's actually let's actually back up a second. So Before we get into the kind of deeper elements of that you were the one who gave me this idea you actually approached me for a conference to do for the family out at some point and A couple months later. It kind of just kind of hit me like of like a ton of bricks I was like we need to do this ASAP and hunter wants to do it at some point But it's probably not gonna be this year like we're gonna get this done So let's talk about that a little bit. You want to recall that phone call we had about it I think it was in the summer. Maybe August this year. It was 2018 dude. I was crashed So yeah, it's a real story So obviously I had since the beginning of coming into this sphere, you know one of this that we have going on I I created the family alpha the reason I chose that was because it wanted to focus on family We have a lot of discussions going on for the single men. We've got a lot of guys focused on you know what to do after divorce Game, you know, how to improve your relationship professionally personally But there wasn't there weren't as many voices talking about the issues that are specific to family men And there are a lot of families out there that are struggling There are a lot of men that are having a hard time So and when you say struggling you mean like at a cultural social personal relationship well Look at the entire landscape. I mean there's no support for fathers There's nothing for them except for you know, the good man project. There's like when you say, oh I'm struggling at with leading my son, you know, I want to teach my son to be a man What do I do you teach him how to be kind you teach him how to share his feelings? No, there's there's no right of passage being developed by anybody. There's nobody pushing that message Yeah, so that's that's really the angle I took and So originally we did the 21 com. I was like, this is awesome. Like I love this This is this is huge though. This covers everything. I fully agree. It's fucking awesome So what wide ranging in the subject matters that the experts the individuals are there. Yeah, you get overwhelmed Exactly and this has the ability to come in and focus in for those guys that you continuously Here where they're looking for these things. They're wanting these things and it's not generally available and to have a you know Multi-day event dedicated to this. It's just tremendous. That's exactly what drove it to I was when I was at the 21 I was like, this is great. What if I could spin this to my focus, you know, the family man and not Peter Griffin family Man, you might as well. You might as well throwing gasoline on a fire telling me that shit, dude Like of course like I Remember I was talking to Tanner. I went to I was talking to Craig James. I was like, dude I really I want to do this like I think this be awesome And then it brought to Tanner Guzzi I was like, hey dude if I did this would you be interested because I'm trying to get some names with it So if I'm Anthony, I have support. Yeah, I gave it to you. Like that's awesome. Let's go. I was talking to George Yeah, Bruno. No Bruno and your George. Oh, yeah. I was like, what do you think about this? You know, they're like, it's good idea. Good idea. All right. That was October. You know, we did that Yeah, fast forward to August. I'm driving home from work and he's like text. Like, hey, can you talk? Yeah, man, you call. Hey, it's green light. We're gonna go and we're gonna we're gonna do this We're gonna make an event for fathers by fathers and I'm like, holy shit You forgot the word fuck Man, I was I'm gonna crash on the highway. So I almost died when you told me that Okay, dude. Jesus from there. I mean to hear it's been nonstop. You've seen the speaker list growing Yeah, you know, you've gotten all the patriarchs coming together the topics are to go and we're having the discussions tickets are selling I mean, there is a need for this I'm surprised by the the anticipation the excitement for it Like I kind of I was hoping it would be good and I would expect it to be good But it's been above that it's under served niche. Oh, yeah You know and it's because it's you're giving water to guys who they're they've been walking through a desert with nothing Yeah, and you're like, hey, here's a glass. Well, it's amazing to in 2019 We've seen such aggressive hostility to men masculinity and fathers with the Gillette stuff the APA psychological stuff I didn't know any of that shit was coming You could have anticipated some more bullshit like that like 2018 and years before but it's been really aggressive this year It's gonna escalate next next 24 months. It's gonna ask you know with the yeah, it's it's a gender war Yeah, it's it's gonna continue and it's gonna escalate and this to be done in May to them be released during the height of all that Yeah Stands in stark contrast to a cultural value. So you sit down and say Seeing and being amongst men willing to fight and defend the culture. They believe in I used to think my military service mattered It's embarrassing in comparison to this. Yeah, and I mean dead serious that that's not I mean And I say that having never been deployed and been a peacetime soldier I was very very fortunate in that regard But I thought that was going to be the highlight of my public and social service And you know, you sit down and say you take a oath of you know, not necessarily of office But of being a soldier of being you know, I'm a u.s. Soldier. I'll defend the constitution From foreign and domestic Those words mean something or and and I believe they mean something and they should mean something And to continue that service on in this regard even though i'm not wearing a uniform I find it no less valuable or or essential I agree And i'm i'm terribly proud to be involved with men like you The culture the culture war is real and I think every year that goes by past couple years people see that more and more It's this isn't a game. It's not just like oh ha ha culture war. It's like this fucking serious Yeah Fuck yeah When you see the blatant disregard they give to family men Yeah, I mean they like they will just say it and I think when you're talking about Gillette And you're talking about the apa. Yeah, it's kind of like they're like, we're not even going to hide anymore Yeah, we're just directly going all in on this and that's why there has to be a pushback I would say it's not even it's not even just blatant. It's like an aggressive disregard They're actively trying to get fathers out of the home out of the family make you relevant make you a clown Or whatever buffoon and they've been talking about it since the 60s, you know And then the first way you do it is to mean it by making it a punch line You know with all the sitcoms where father, you know, it's a joke Romano is a joke Yeah, the fool and the buffoon and everything else you you demoralize you demean You make fun of you mock But now to do it you have to dehumanize if you're actually going to make me Tax cattle if you're going to make them subservient to the feminine imperative And provide because somebody's going to have to provide for all this But they need to make sure that you're enslaved to it And the way you do that is you have to Dehumanize the individual and in this particular case fathers Yeah, you know men and fathers, so you'll you'll see it in both accounts, but Particularly you'll go to fathers and men specifically and you're saying, you know I know recently I've seen social media accounts where all men are toxic. Yeah, you know all masculinity is toxic Again, it's no longer even like, you know, you're out of your mind now this this is open public service. Yeah And and this was a governmental ad being released. Yeah, yeah, it was a paid for government I think it was in late 2017 the narrative started to shift The one the Las Vegas shooting it went from like toxic masculinity Basically, the compartmentalized and focus on certain things of masculinity Then it became masculinity itself as toxic and that was the turning point of that like late 2017 for whatever fucking reason The shooting, Trump politics culture, whatever it But yeah, it's it's been it's fucking disgusting. Yeah, I'm not even a father like you guys that I know of right Ha ha. I mean, that's what actually makes this even more impressive is that not only you single You're very single. I'm very Bachelorette This is the path Yeah, and and and being a family guy and and being close to you and living in proximity You know, I live vicariously through your actions now having having been on that road for a while But you you kind of look back and fondness But you look at and go for somebody to have that insight and to be able to sit down and say hey look I'm doing this one. It's not affecting you now. You're prepping the field so that when you go into this It's in a much better position. Oh, yeah, I'm terribly thankful. No, I'm I'm wharf. Yeah, thank you and I appreciate that I'm also just a I'm not a bystander per se, but I'm auxiliary. I see you guys you're in a parallel kind of Fatherhood and patriarchy and building family you guys are in parallel situations or you know similar situations And it just sucks You guys are allies and a personal and professional level for me and friends But to see fathers get shit on whether or not I know I mean you guys I know in this instance But even fathers, I don't know it's fucking disgusting because I'm I hope to be a father someday I'm excited to be a patriarch someday and looking forward to it. Fuck. Yeah But in the meantime, it's like holy fuck like that's what's waiting for me This fucking shit show of cultural trash thrown at my face. Fuck you Like I want to change that I want my country to succeed I wanted to survive. I want families to survive Including for guys, you know, some guys are not going to go that path some guys are going to be chad for life That's fun I have less than a problem of that you want to do that fucking own it do it In the meantime, a lot of men maybe most men are going to go the family route at some point If not the 20s and the 30s or 40s or something like that In your case almost your 50s, right? Yeah, I was 50. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it's just it's horrifying to me I was that afraid I avoided the situation to do no harm, you know to protect myself And I was at a crossroads of to do I go down this path or don't I you know and Nature won. Yeah It was an evolution. Um, and the 21 convention in many ways going through and speaking Help me kind of look at the ideas develop those ideas, you know promote that stuff And and I was always relationship centric and that's one thing but that's not the same thing as fatherhood You know and even though my later talks I'm slipping that stuff in I felt that I could only slip it in And invariably the conversations in the hallway were extensively about fatherhood about being fathers about being men What does that mean and they go, you know, can you give a speech about fatherhood? And I didn't think I actually could it can now. Yeah, you can now, you know Yeah, boom, you know, you're just like, you know, not only can you we're going to have multi-day events with just a Just a multitude of different father ranges. It's not like, you know, you're young with a typical nuclear family I've got a blended family myself. You know, there were well used to be typical. This is because And so it's not you're not just going to get a stereotypical view of fatherhood or patriarchy You're seeing it from fathers that that are coming from a multitude of different backgrounds and still trying to accomplish the same goals I find it's I'm actually looking forward to attending, you know, not just speaking I gotta say as the founder I've made it a priority to speak amount of events every single year to walk my talk To get in that stage just like you guys and give a speech And in a way, I'm excited that this is the first event where I'm not going to be speaking giving a content speech I do something planned for the end like I told you about the top top secret But it's not content. I don't know about fatherhood firsthand. So I'm not going to speak on it I have ideas on it. I listen to you guys. I'm listening in closely. I'm judging those ideas Based on my the knowledge in other areas of life and masculinity. That's fine I could do that anyone could do that But I'm not stupid enough to speak on fatherhood not being a father At the same time, I'm super excited to build the event for fathers to have it be presented by fathers To have you keynote it and rollo and elliott and you and all these guys I mean, what a fucking awesome experience this is going to be. I'm excited as fuck. Let's let's Look at this for a moment from the outside, you know I was talking to golden and he said I was like, dude, why am I here? I love my speaker. I love my speaker golden at least check him out. Yeah We're sitting there and you know a j cortez. He's got the fitness thing going and he's just like A brilliant specimen who's just like dropping knowledge and like triggering the hell to everybody for looking like jesus You got rollo the godfather of the red pill. You've got all these guys have these great niches golden You know, he's great. He's got a photography game. He does all that I'm here because I have a nuclear family and that has somehow become a fuck you to society trying to shut it down Yeah, just a normal average nine to five working Wife house son daughter dog cat That's all I have yet. I'm here with all these guys who are very unique because that's what makes me unique And that's not normal. That's not okay. That's that's what we're pushing back again It's a testament to a sick a lot of culture has become that that you're now like abnormal like you're not this is no longer than weird Yeah, it's fucking weird. I agree and to think about the basis of civilization has always been the family Yeah, and the fact that this society and culture has been so We use toxic. I mean, it's I don't even think it's just even toxic. It's cancerous because it's growing You know toxicity doesn't spread. You know, it doesn't cancer. Yeah cancer is it's cancerous You know and and it's more aggressive as it's yeah, and it is and it's killing you more absolutely more vehement You know, it's not going to stand You talk you were speaking about all the men that you you know, you hear the horror stories Think about the ones you don't the only reason you hear certain stories through us is because we we decided to write on twitter For every guy that's writing on twitter, you know for every man that's you know talking about family and you know Pushing the pause of the message. You've got fucking thousands. Well, I think the real the dark You know, I've been thrown says that you know, it's a dark world and I agree And I think the real darkness is that you know, there are horror stories that are so horrible and horrifying We don't hear about them because the guys die They just kill themselves and we don't hear the story because there's no one to speak it There's no one to tell you right that's how fucking bad it is the shit I've been through the shit, you know, you've been through the shit We've seen different speakers go through and different we've seen, you know, red stories and the mana sphere and stuff It's horrifying some of it and the worst stuff though is the stuff that goes unspoken And they look they have nothing but you're creating that lighthouse. That's right. You know, we talk about dark worlds But a light is being shown. You're creating a light that's going to go out Those guys are going to see them out alone And you know for anybody watching this that is the point of all of this I'm actually very resource I'm very critical usually of the the power positive thinking pep rally shit because to me that's not real positivity It's fake positivity. What we're doing is fucking badass. It is positive too, but it's not fake It's like it's deep down sincere genuine deep shit and I love that a lot And the whistle for this world needs a lot and I agree and fatherhood is a good example of that Like I one of the reasons let's talk about the name actually the patriarch edition So I almost called it the father the fatherhood edition And based on our conversations and what I was seeing going on and stuff But I came across the term, of course, obviously patriarchy is a demonized word right now But the more I thought about it and kind of chewed on it. I was like fuck. Yeah, it's an amazing term First of all for me as the founder of the company and building the event I see it as a more comprehensive term than fatherhood fatherhood is fatherhood Badass awesome, but that doesn't necessarily have to do with marriage. You can be a father who's unmarried That doesn't necessarily have to do with divorce or hopefully not right And you know it has to do with parenting obviously as a father But it's like it feels overly specific and then I thought about patriarchy Masculine leadership head of family head of the household like leading a family building a family I was like fuck. Yeah, that to me encompasses everything in many cases and it's probably well I'll even talk to you at the speech is maybe may even extend cross-generational. Oh, yeah Yeah, it would no longer be a multi-generational element. You know, we don't have that We don't have grandfathers involved with sons who are fathers who are involved with their grandsons. That's what you've done for me I mean you're 20 21 years older than me or something like that. Yeah, knock on wood 21, right? But that's I didn't have I had an uncle growing up. I got to know a little bit Both of my grandfather's one of them died one of them. He died later I was older in high school, but I never had a close relationship with any of them to be honest So being around you someone 20 years older than me that has provided a lot of mentorship for me You know multi-generational you gen X. I'm you know millennial But you provided a lot of that and I've then spread it out to the world across 35 million people Euling of the speakers and stuff like that current and past right right And so this is not just a young men's event, you know, so we talk about blended families or mixed mixed family structuring We're also talking multi-generational and age structure as well And I think that is going to be a tremendous range and depth Of manhood and fatherhood to be speaking out of patriarchy. I think it's amazing. We're going to have grandfathers like texas dom Speaking there. Yeah, and then we're going to have attendees in their 20s that are fathers right their fathers to be Yep, or aspiring fathers like myself. That was a father at 22. Like there were men in that My son 22 my daughter at 25 Yeah, but so You guys actually proved a point so ryan stone in his speech in 2018 said that uh fathers aren't needed but Yeah, the point right we don't always we don't always agree on the 21 convention Prove the point though. You were his mentor the first time it was Right when you look at that think of all the men that have come to you saying I wish my father had taught me this how much how many how many years would have been saved? How much pain would have been saved if the father did it at the young age? We were going to have men who have teenagers. We're going to have men who have infants You know and these men if they're a teenager you can start changing things now But if they're younger, you know, my children my son is nine my daughter six From the beginning how many years am I saving them pain by not following a blue deal Ideology and passing that on to my son. Yeah, you know, what am I doing by helping instill these values of my daughter Before, you know, the world gets stored instills their morals and their values We are you talking about cross or multi-generational mentorship. Yeah, and I do think that's what role is going to be talking about Because it is that important is You're catching them and you're saving them from all those years. So ryan is right We can help the men who are of age But we're going to help the men you're prevented instead of being, you know, corrective action is preventative And that's going to save lives. It's going to change the entire trajectory of these kids lives And it goes to the fact that you know when you look at divorce stats being roughly 50 percent, you know, you sit down and say if half the marriages fail, you know Within a family and particularly where there's children involved These individuals are going to be under fathered, you know, and so when we talk about when you're under father one Yeah, yeah, completely. So what what happens when you you become a father and you yourself have been under fathered What you have not had any experience or imprinting to learn from you're going to pass that trauma You're going to pass the trauma because it's not there. It's just you just don't know And so an organization like this is stepping in to fill that void You know, I would sit down and say probably the lion's share of our attendees are coming from broken families and divorced households You know without a doubt. That's the whole that's all manuscript too. Yeah, right. That's correct. Yeah without a doubt And so I I think it has a you know a tremendous potential not only to help them But what I find truly and this goes back to greg's one You know, which is some of the work that i'm currently doing right now Is that it has the ability to fix a problem before it gets broken You're fixed you're making sure that your children are not damaged Going forward so that you know, we talk about the 21 convention It's it's pretty much men bootstrapping themselves up You know and and there's something to be proud and honest about doing that But how much better would our lives have been if you you just look at it and go This is you know, it's this is Greek to me. What do you mean? I'd have to learn how to be a father My dad is already the great world, you know, I I just sit down I think there's a quote on twitter that I retweeted that was brilliant Where he sits down and says I would want my children to look at us this hardship in their life And sit down and say what would dad do, you know, and I know your kids are going to do That's so toxic. That's so toxic. Yeah, I know for my son To there's like there's two different paths. There's the kids that are being raised, you know that we've already become red Fill aware, you know, these sons are coming up and that's just the way they are In my son, I believe he's going down that path And then there's the guys who had to learn it and they're going through and fixing it When these guys meet though, they're all in the same team. They're all going forward But the guy who he'll find it odd to if you ever watch this video Like why did you have to tell people this is this is how we live? This is just what men do You don't have to learn to lead you don't have to learn to you know Take ownership of your responsibilities and life and then carry that burden of performance That's what men do your son will probably end up leading a lot of boys He grew up at his age that didn't get this kind of idea And parenting and fatherhood Let's actually take a break real quick. Let's focus on our sponsors So first of all sponsored by the 21 convention patriarch edition Coming up this may 3rd 20 may 3rd of the 5th 2019 Cinco de Milo weekend in Orlando, Florida Get tickets at the 21 convention org. 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I stepped aside I just you know, anthony had this reputation of I'm just I'm you know the lead follow get the fuck out of the way I'm moving forward and and you don't get in front of anthony when he's got his mind set You could run parallel, but don't don't get in his way And this was one in which there were a number of things going on in my life and everything else But it was also going to be under 21 and being a guy who was you know In his 40s at that point, you know, so I I pulled aside I know a lot of the guys were not under 21 that went to that So, you know, even from the beginning, maybe half of them were right, right? Yeah Yeah, so, you know to sit down and do that. Yeah, I just that that still boggles my well That was 2006 2007 getting a prep and pulling it off And now as the founder I'm the only person in the world has been to all the events, right? Unfortunately, no one else has attended every single convention 15 of them as of 2019 But to now see it, you know as the builder and the organiser and the CEO I'm now building convention for fathers like both of you literally as speakers Then the attendees and the millions of fans that will see it on the internet after that To see it go from an under 21 event Like when I was 17 years old putting it together putting that idea on the internet Just like in the atmosphere at the time and then seeing it all be about fatherhood It's like holy shit. It's like a coming coming of age moment We've done three under 12 under 21 conventions and I tend to do more If I get if I want to become a billionaire about my 40s And if I can do that, I want to rebuild the Boy Scouts like something new like that In the meantime, I plan to do under 21 conventions for young men when we can do them But before that we'll do more of those we're doing this event for fathers And to see that to see that, uh, you know gap It's not the gap but that transition and that evolution over time. It's like it's really surreal I'm like, holy shit. I started this when I was 17 years old, you know, it just keeps going, right? Yeah, yeah, I I just holy if you would have told me that it's 17 18 years old I'd have been like what like that would have been like 15 I mean 16 steps beyond what I was thinking at the time So I'm really happy to have you guys that and help me build it But that's what I was wondering if you guys any commentary on that the kind of arc I mean, holy shit like to go from 18 year old kids putting this on putting it together To an entire convention with fathers, grandfathers, psychologists, Huge speakers like Rolo and Elliot everybody. Yeah, it's like what in the fuck happened Never mind the country in the culture. Not only that, it wasn't just the under 21 It was predominantly pick up at the time. That's right, you know And so it was about going out chasing ass having a good time, you know grab assing and you know all that sort of stuff You know and and don't get me wrong. There's something too about learning game I don't even talk about grab assing as as a literal as a euphemism But to sit down and teach guys game Is is something that is relevant in sex cells Okay, it's actually a even better way to put it because it wasn't just pick up It was like self-improvement But then even the pickup stuff it was like game Like how do you understand women and to talk to women? Have success with women get a phone number get a make out get the date get the lay If you want start a relationship or a fuck buddy thing or whatever you want to do So for me it was always fundamental focus the pick up stuff I think that you had a guy there talking about cleaning up his own goddamn room before Peterson said, you know make your bed. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, you know, I think yeah You know talking about cleaning your house to make it presentable because nobody wants to actually you know Bed down with the slob unless it's a one time off, you know and a lot of the guys would do that intentionally But you you had this kind of a maturation process that You know went very quickly in much more broad range. You brought in philosophy. You brought in finance nutrition health exercise All these other things and then I want to say probably what the third one around third or fourth one around the my first one Where I was the relationship guy being brought in at a time period in which pickup did not want to look at relationships You know, and you were number Seven actually really that was a seventh convention. Yeah. Damn. I'm on fire fucking roll Yeah, you you get three in a year. So, you know, yeah, that was crazy. That was the next year 2012 Yeah, I know I couldn't believe that I was doing three this year. Here we go. Yeah stepping the fuck up Yep, you know and and this let's talk about that too for a minute If you're doing a patriarchy event in a time period in which society and cultures fighting against How stupid of a business model is that it's a genius business. Well, it is it is it is The other thing is, you know, I also look at the standpoint knowing the pickup background Is that the pickup industry is really falling down in a lot of ways collapse It's a completely collapse and somebody who already knows that background could go in there fill that void Sex sells but you're doing something far more challenging and meaning. You know, this is not about profiteering This is not about making a quick buck. This is not about so most people don't actually understand this And I'll just go ahead and say this on camera. I've never paid myself in the history of the company to do an event Ever I've done 15 conventions literally for free whether we do in 2013 for example 2015 We didn't do any events in 2013. I took off and 2015 both I made the same amount of money those years as I did in like, you know, 2012 2014 and 2016 when I did events So I do the events for free. There's a couple reasons I do that The most obvious one that needs to be spoken is I'm 100 mission focused Like I'm balls to the fucking wall like plant, you know, plant the fucking flag Go to fucking culture war go to gender war and win this motherfucker. That's why I do that because why would I pay myself When I got up another 20 30 40 grand in the conference and the filming and the photography and the production and you know hiring security or whatever the fuck we're gonna do My focus is on the conference. My focus is on the long term I do own the company like the vast majority of the 21 studios and 20 convention. Sure. So long range. I have an investment You know profit from that and on a personal professional level and financial But in the meantime, I don't get paid jack shit to do it Right. I work my fucking ass off night and fucking day. It'll fucking midnight or later every night almost every night of the year Because I love what I do and I love what we're doing all of you guys And I support and there's no amount of money in the world. You could pay me the money is irrelevant You could pay me 200 grand to do a conference or two dollars or nothing. I don't fucking care I care about the fucking content the fucking ideas and the fucks 37 fuck all the fucks give Zero zero fucks given about the feminist all the fucks given about the fathers My first speech was 2017. So two years ago. Yeah, first time I did anything live. That's my first time doing shit Yeah, you guys it was awesome. But so let me see. So he's been there from the beginning. So this is from an outsider looking in The The ability to go out With all this the chip stacked against you. Yep, and to put this on and go after it That's what we're teaching these guys imagine if we could have 15 other anthony johnson's 15 other guys building different programs Because we've had fathers and still values and then we've had them have a sense of irrational confidence And you know where I stand you still lie and plant in the flag. That's my fucking thing But the the reason is you know, I've got that same mindset and it's it's because of the way I believe in myself and that's what the patriarch thinks about sex sells fatherhood doesn't sell right? If you look at the red man group patriarchs, we don't get the numbers at the sex in the game No, you're absolutely get value that it's going to have like you said generational change These fathers who attend this event their kids are going to go to levels that we can't even fathom Because the father realized oh, I need to do this I need to do this and that son and one of those sons is going to try to outdo you with his business Yeah, and that's the best thing that could happen to us Is they try to compete and win and we get all these other fucking guys who are trying to go and do their thing Where they're saying oh, I just want to follow the imperative and I want to do what I've been told is acceptable to do Yeah, we're going to have kids who are saying fuck that I want to put 15 events on I'm going to have three conferences or three conventions in one year and all these things because those boys believe in themselves I mean, I'm building this conference because no one else is built and it doesn't exist Just like and you're creating little minions. We're going to do it, right? Which is doing our our primary photographer for three years now He started watching the convention at 11 years old Almost I was like when you tell me that this yeah, I that was like Holy shit. Yeah, he's literally was in my house room that did the event at the house. He was yeah And I'm like what let's bring it back a second though. What if you didn't believe in yourself and you quit How many thousands of men? Millions of men wouldn't out of gotten the words they needed I've killed themselves. Yeah, I've lived a dead life Where they died before they enter the ground. Yep, because you quit That's I'm really happy the guys that give enroll. Oh, I know you for example You thought about canceling your blog and stuff in 2017 And if you spoke how many guys would be dead because of that, you know in the following 12 24 36 48 months I guarantee you a couple some will be fucking dead Like you you literally save lives the lives of men and you might get an email from them You might not it might just be silent. I think for about Loosely speaking every one guy that comments lose an email he saved his life There's another tendon and say anything because it's it's embarrassing or traumatic or emotional or whatever the fucking reason is It's serious. It really is and those those are real emails they're hard like no, I love that my work helps people Yeah, but those are hard to read Yeah, and I think that's why I'm like I want to do more I want to go further I want to you know go as much as I possibly can and the same mindset you have with doing that What if we stopped, you know, and that's that's the beauty of the patriarch thing Fuck, yeah, you know, not just the convention when I say the thing. I mean like just the whole Red man group patriarchs contraption convention, you know, we've got so much It's a thing now. It's like its own beast. That's growing, which is fucking awesome That's how we're going to kill feminism too. That's my personal goal with the company Create positive media for men, which we've done since day one fantastic, you know millions of viewers And then long range. I want to destroy feminism. Like what is that going to take? That's a trillion dollar industry right across America and across the world in the west It's like how do you actually take that down? You're not going out to spend them. There's no fucking chance. What are you going to do? You have to win in the minds the hearts the souls you have to outproduce content That's a better quality. You have to win with humor. You have to win with intelligence rationality You have to like I said my speech in 2017 my keynote the future is masculine You have to drown them in media and content and ideas and you have to fucking win whatever it fucking takes And what I needed to win is you guys. I need speakers Now in a billion years. I couldn't do what you guys are doing I don't have the time the attention the skill level to do it I'm doing what I do and focus on what I do best Which is organize you guys like a general and you guys are my cannons firing your fucking Realities You're gonna have how many speakers at this event? 13 14 Less than usual. Yeah. Yeah less less than usual, but I think it's gonna be No less content. You know if anything it's gonna sound horrible I'm actually looking forward to the patriarchy event more than poland Okay, yeah, and it sounds kind of really odd. Like how can you say that? You know, it's not about to travel. It's not everything else I think we have the ability to change the american culture here and now that's right with this event And and if you really get to it, I'm actually looking more forward to that one than I am Even though Orlando event and I I hate to say it too Is that I think that the patriarchy event is going to influence my my Orlando talk without a doubt challenge accepted I'll raise your expectations. Don't worry. Yeah. No, there's no We're gonna have a fabulous time. I'm looking forward to all three If you know, but you just look at it and go there's so much being driven. It is it's special I agree and I didn't anticipate that when I put it together It was kind of like it was more like Not a special thing. It was like a focus thing. Let's focus on fatherhood. Let's focus on patriarchy Let's focus on the red pill applied to family formation and marriage and that kind of long-term relationship Which I think you've done fantastic with you've done, you know, really good as well Rollo's done good tanner all these guys Like how do we organize that into a conference and it can mention in speeches and ideas and conversations and workshops Writing workshops the event for the first time Basically the first time in history for a company So yeah, it's it's become very special though. I agree Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to that. Yeah more than the talk What's amazing is there's a quote, you know war is beginning in the minds of men And it's it's real, you know global world war two it started in somebody's brains and I'm gonna go do this Yep, you know the repression of self begins in the minds of men. That's why Poland's important You know Europe's and that's also why your point on, you know Fathers and going and putting that seat out there and give them the message Yeah, that's gonna change those minds You know, it's a war of minds if you really break this down Is this man gonna repress who he is of the man Causing that to happen with the cycle and it's gonna continue to perpetuate the cycle that the sun does the same thing or Is he gonna say no, I'm not gonna apologize for being who I am I'm not gonna say what's accepted and that's what that's what makes 21 con separate from everything else out there You're saying what's not acceptable. You know, you've seen the threads You've seen anytime any man puts anything out there saying this is I believe in this and it doesn't follow the You know do more chores to make her wet like doing washing the dishes makes your hands wet not your girl Like that's we all know this But if you go to any other convention do more chores share your feelings and then you're gonna have more Life happy life. This isn't about bending the need of the feminine imperative to feminism to women's needs and desires of their sexual prerogative This this is about making and demanding men rise up. This is about demanding men Stand let's pause on that too when men do that stuff when they bend the knee when they do the dishes When they do the chore play all this bullshit recommended by the good men project and our brother Cuck bullshit organization, you know, there's a bunch. There's a couple of them, right That makes women miserable that makes men miserable that makes by extension children miserable Which makes the whole family fucking miserable. It's like it's like stupid beyond stupid beyond fucking stupid So why does anyone do it? That's all conversation itself. Maybe beyond this little you know episode we're doing but It's gross and what you guys are doing is beautiful both of you have gotten compliments I've seen from other speakers for example Complimenting you on the way you operate your families and lead your families as fathers and as patriarchs Which brings me to my next point this entire I almost called it the fatherhood edition And then I was the last minute before we were going to announce it I talked to the speakers you rollo you and all these guys right I'm like, wait a second like fatherhood is a little bit too specific, right? It's not quite comprehensive. It's close But it's not quite comprehensive enough and then I also thought with patriarch and patriarchy I was like that is so unapologetically fucking masculine right now. It is the exact it is The pure antithesis of feminism and this toxic feminine imperative that wants to control the society Make it a literal police state like holy shit. What? So I just love when I came when I really kind of you know Obviously I knew that concept in that term, but when I kind of brought it into the branding for it I was like, oh fuck. Yeah, like turn to the patriarch hundred Exactly return rebuild the patriarchy immediately When we talk about the term too, we also haven't talked about this. Yeah, it's aspirational That's right. It's not just say hey fatherhood. This is where I'm at now. No patriarchy is about an aspirational element that that is more Engrossing than the immediate element of I've had a child and I have a partner Yeah, you know or I'm a single father and I have a child. I'm going to lead I'm going to ask yeah, that's right. I'm going to guide all yeah, whatever it takes You know all the inner social skills, you know the personal skills of you know Social skills that are associated with reducing tension and relationship of the maintaining stability The relationship management issues skills that children need to learn and understand from a father specifically Skills that a mother the mother of your children your wife or whatever Wants wants you to have like deeply desires you to have that she wouldn't be with your or be miserable You know both your cases if you guys didn't have those skills It's like it's it's so stupid that patriarchy has been demonized patriarchy in this like, you know positive benevolent rational sense It's fucking fantastic. The fact that's been demonized is gross. It's like. Oh, shit. What the fuck is the cat doing? Something's happening Holy shit, what did this cat do? All right, let's get back to patriarchy So pay why is paid let's talk about patriarchy in a conceptual abstract sense for a moment So why is patriarchy been demonized and why is it? You know why is patriarchy should be in terms of leading a healthy family leading a happy family should be pretty normal I think it was for a long time So why is that been demonized and why is it so outlandish to do to call entire conference You know the patriarch edition of a particular conference that we're doing What does the deal with that like what the fuck is this you know made people made women think that way in men Well, it goes back to feminism, you know where they talk, you know And the the essence of that was to destroy the nuclear family demonizing men And and they use marxist terms for it explicitly, you know And so there was no misguiding that and it's one thing to have a bunch of radicals kind of spousing that It's now gotten to the point that they've been doing it for so long and it's been indoctrinated that they've been comfortable enough That it's now relatively gone mainstream. So you're starting to see the shift on it. They've opened the overton window basically Yes, they have yeah, and they've done a very it's it's horrifying, you know, and they shut that shit Yeah, I guess I mean it's it's as bad as it is It's one of those things where you have to appreciate like they did a great job They went after this and they did awesome. They've destroyed families. They've destroyed fathers. They were they're viewed as You're just not I don't want to say a walking paycheck. You just exist. Like you you don't have a say There's no standard as you're lucky to exist. Yeah, honestly count yourself grateful I should be happy to give money to my family and just go away and that's what make me happy Yeah, it's impressive what they do ultimately it's not even just to your family They actually want you to give money to the state that's right state then redistributes You know this this this is about servitude amongst a whole whole host of other things I find interesting based on what you said that going after the nuclear family I agree this book broken by the way riot the rise of radical feminism roller recommended this to me a while ago Really good little book very short easy to read powerful book Uh, it's again on amazon and stuff like that But I think what you're saying basically is that they want to kill the family They did the most effective thing possible. Just cut the head off the snake Exactly, right just cut the head off. Yeah, which is just like fucked up in like 10 different ways I mean we've seen that play out for decades now We've seen a play out in not only the personal level in the family itself But on like tv on movies and you know pop culture and all this shit I grew up in the 90s. You know as a millennial watching this shit You know, whether it's like a family guy or the simpsons or whatever else ray romano and shit and looking back on it even then it was kind of like Disconcerting maybe is the word like just kind of like almost cringe worthy But you didn't quite know as a kid what you're looking at. You're like, what is this shit? It was kind of new though. Oh, that's kind of funny It also makes sense that you don't you don't throw bricks at the lowest the individual at the lowest here You know you throw bricks at the higher one you tease you get attention And so the patriarch or making fun of dad would make sense Cut the head off the family And I don't think people realize the the powerful effect the 60s had the cultural revolution or how that's playing out All of it, you know, absolutely all of it. So I think there were some benign elements to that But then that that picks up and to go one better. You have to go one further. Well benign almost like reckless Well, it's just good If you're poking fun at dad There's an honest rubbing dad dad knows that you know, but there's this level of respect But what we've lost is it's it's done in the veneer of humor. Yeah But it has none of the respect. That's right, you know, and when that's gone, it's an attack Also, you know, and so you're seeing that you're now and now there's no even guys of humor You know, there's isn't even another guys of comedy. You know, it's serious It's not kidding at all. And part of it is is I you know, I fault my parent's generation for not standing up to it Yeah Is that this went unchecked? You know and you sit down and said the only thing stopping it from going was their own sense of limitation and thank god They were limited thinkers Well, I even look at the pickup community not only the boomers that they fail The boomers failed like in fucking a thousand different ways like severely But I even look at the manager on the pickup community like why is a fatherhood focused event That's based as fuck and badass as fuck and red pill as fuck Why is it taking this long to build one? I'm doing it now as fast as I can but like why didn't you know Mystery and Neil Strauss and Owen these guys they had in the 2000s. They had plenty of time and money to do this But these are guys zero interest maintain relationships let alone families So when you have guys that are sitting around saying hey, I can't maintain relationships because I'm a fucked up dude And I have no desire of fixing myself Okay, I will wash rinse and repair and then and therefore you go to one knock stand and only that The quicker the lay the better because if you give them time to actually understand what the product and service that you're providing They'll look at it and second guess the shit. Well, so actually, let me let me just brag here a little too Not even homo brag your straight brag I try to pick up and my lay is like the olympics for me. It's like a speed sport I mean, I go through phases of what I'm going to do, right? I've been three girls now and under 10 minutes flat for meat to fuck And I'm proud of that. I'm like, yes, this is I tried to compete with myself And I know he's serious, you know because I've seen this shit firsthand. My sister is not the only one It's not in the house, right? You know, it's one of the studios and I'll bring this Give me an idea of what that transition was like within the pickup community mystery was talking about on the third date Yeah, okay three dates and then going for a lane Yeah, and the pickup industry was getting it going immediately literally going down down down down down down How can you compress that time and guys are going out field testing this shit literally putting it in action And you're a product of that. Thank you I and what I'm what at my main point with this too is that, you know, I do that currently I've done that for a long time throughout my 20s and even now at 30 But I'm also I have a deep respect. I think all across the board for the manosphere and what different guys do You're the family guy. You were the literally the family alpha is your brand I also have massive respect for a guy like, you know, cobertate and christian mcqueen and goldman You know, I asked goldman how many girls he's banged at a page or at the 21 18 or 21 con 2018 a few months ago in orlando And he said about 500 I think he's dead out serious I only know one guy who's banged more girls than that one of the old speakers malibu mate And uh, that's fucking epic. That's like half a thousand like holy shit, dude But I have respect for every what everyone's doing, you know With the knowledge available to them in the time they have in their life before they die We're all gonna fucking die someday You know, it's wild. Yeah, so you're talking about the three girls you banged within 10 minutes Do you know how different of a strategy you have to have to have a great sex life with someone for over 10 years? Oh, yeah, sure. Like as enjoyable and as I hope to god we start we talk about that at this event. Oh, it needs to be discussed And you're all, you know, really, really, really good Yeah, that guy awesome mentor. I understand what you're saying and I agree I also disagreeing that to me it's all the same because I'm looking at his fundamentals and reality I agree. Yes. Yes. So I'm the same from the same point. You're never going to stop gaming your girl Which most guys do and that's 100 behind that yes Failure same approach, but you've got to mix it up each time you're different You could be the same dude three times three different girls, right the same tricks work That same trick doesn't work on the same girl The only trick I play is being the dream Oh, yeah To to your point to and to your one blog because I want to actually bring that one up, but It's it's it is true There's something amazingly different between him being single and having women are competing for his attention to a woman Who's gotten your attention commitment family Who you have to maintain that attraction and arousal high stakes men and that is much higher stakes and much harder to do And not only that you are worn you're tired you're beat down And god damn it's the same old cob and banging for 10 years, right? You know you you how do you maintain that attraction? I I say that You know, well, it's it's there was a movie about I forget the name of it Where's new cow theory where like once it once a bowl gets a cow. He wants to roll off of the cows Like and so, you know, you always bring that one up. It's like it's the same old cow But how do you maintain that attraction level? You know and how does you know and by the way that demand for to meet hypergram? You mean rousal and desire a desire everything else hypergram doesn't go away when it doesn't care And doesn't give a shit doesn't care you have to answer it for life. Sorry, you know, it's like providing for yourself You're gonna have to breathe eat and move, you know For life, uh, and if you don't you're gonna die, you know, and if you don't do that in your marriage You're gonna your marriage is going to your marriage is gonna fail You're gonna fail you're gonna fail yourself. You'll fail your wife You'll fail your children You said a bad example for your daughter of what a healthy relationship looks like You said a bad example for your son or multiple sons and daughters You said a bad example for your extended family with little nieces and nephews and shit I haven't I have a you know, little I'm probably gonna be an uncle in a few months for my first time So yeah, thanks But uh, yeah, it's it's pretty wild man I I want to get back to the little bit here that like even as I'm not speaking at this event, but I'm building it You know, I'm excited to be a father someday in the meantime I'm just slaying pussy as much as I can But I'm also like looking ahead like what kind of life am I gonna live, you know, then And also I was telling hunter outside one of the things that drives me so hard Is not just the mission itself of creating positive media and not just helping men not just killing feminism Not just triggering feminists and having a shit ton of fun laughing about it It's also like what kind of world am I and my children are gonna live in? I don't know what their names are I don't know who their mother's gonna be but I'm determined to do that at some point my 30s or 40s, right Be patient, you know, do do good with it But I know that that's gonna be, you know, three five 10 15 years from now I'm building the world they're gonna live in the same way you guys are going in the world Your kids are gonna live in and my kids whatever whenever they come out whenever they're coming right So that's what drives me. That's part of what drives me. It's not the majority of it, but it's a good chunk That conversation was actually a really good one. I mean, yeah, so when I was talking so I'm here right now in flora Yeah, I could have stayed home with my kids You let your house a home and family the to be here I believe in this, you know to that level and you know, I've missed baseball games We were talking about the last one which they won my kids struck out 13 guys I was super pumped. He actually does better when I'm not there, which is weird Patriarchy for the win. Yeah, but when you believe in something and that's something about the patriarchs as well Is these men are going to find their purpose in life? They might not create a vlog They might not create a youtube channel But we're going to let these guys know like you have to grab on to your your passion and your your purpose and go Do what it is that you want to do in your life And I want to be able to look my kids in the eyes and say I tried Like I did the best I could do, you know to be the best dad, husband, leader, and I don't other men I don't just want them to I don't want you to say that you tried your kids I don't want you to be able to say you fucking won Because you made the choices you made the choices and decisions and the the teamwork and the and the consensus That's what we're doing with 21 con it's it's not People have accused me of saying it's anthony johnson convention bullshit like I consult with you guys constantly The anthony johnson convention you'd be up on that stage more than you're on that's right. That's right But to me it's it's it's beautiful what we're doing, you know the homo It's like it's fucking badass, and I love doing it Let's actually pause real quick. We have to end in a little bit here. Maybe 10 some minutes or something like that Let's talk about the red pill in fatherhood and patriarchy So this isn't just like a good man project event, you know, let's be fathers and good dads and happy wife happy life Yeah, go fuck yourself This is badass to me the red pill is truth the red pill is truth the way it's used in the manosphere specific to intersexual dynamics specific to you know female nature and the feminine imperative the way women operate the way men operate too Let's talk about that and how like how serious that is Because this I think some people might see the patriarch convention like oh, they're just trying to trigger feminists now Go fuck yourself. This is serious. This is truth. I love what there's a quote by martin luther That you need to talk about it too, and I think it's that You know piece of possible truth at any cost And that's what that's I read that probably like maybe two months ago for the first time that specific quote And I was like fuck. Yeah, and this convention all the conventions 21 con speak to that to me But especially this event this is like piece of possible great But in the meantime Fucking this is fatherhood is serious family is serious patriarchy is serious masculinity is a serious topic If we don't get this shit figured out like where's the where's this country going to be in the west going to be in 50 years Yeah, and it's not just that it's not just that you're planning a flag Yeah, you're planning a flag and assembling the men you know To come and to defend this the sector, you know, it is it is going to be a massive It's not just a flag being planted like I know when I gave my speech this year Tanner actually came to me and says hey, thank you for putting that flag there You know and and I was like damn really, you know and and he was you know It's just really nice to see you've consistently done that and that meant something to me You know and but this is not just a individual planning a flag This is multitudes of men planning a flag around that central core idea And that is terribly terribly important and is vital for any healthy society if we're going to change the survive and thrive This needs to take place. That's right. Well, when you look at these other guys too Where do the results come from? Who's doing the things that actually produce results? It's cool to go to the good man project They'll pat you in the back and say add a boy. Yeah, show it up and that's great You know good on you or you go to 21 con and they say hey get your ass in gear If you want things to be different, you've got to do better. Here's the real rules You're playing checker. You're playing chess by the rules of checkers You're trying to jump pieces. You're an idiot. You know, you're not following what the real world is saying And that's what I love about 21 con That's why the flag is playing behind it because it's I don't give a shit about what is popular what society wants to hear Here's the truth. Here's how marriages, you know, you maintain attraction. Here's how you be a better dad Here's how many of you are fucking up as a father, which sucks to hear, but here's a solution We're not just talking about problems hugging each other crying and walking away We're like here's a fucking battle plan for you to go fix your life go forward and fix your fucking life Don't just talk about it. Go do something the actionable advice is fucking incredible It reminds me of a video put out a rhinestone a few months ago to preview his speech It just came out. It was called how to bang your wife I remember I remember we were going to title how to fuck your wife We're like, I don't think youtube's gonna let us get away with that Let's do how to bang your wife and I remember putting it out It's like a five minute little clip of the speech I was like, this is just beautiful like who who doesn't what wife doesn't want to get like Expert fucking by her husband like just beautiful. Everybody has a good time. There's just massive orgasms It's having a great fucking time And it's putting it out and I was just like this is my life And it should be normal how that should be the norm, but we're correcting it. We're correcting it. We're correcting it You're shifting that Fuck yeah And if you weren't really obnoxious when I was single and in the pickup The the number of because I would see I'm a licensed architect the the Professionalisms that I'm surrounding with I was running across a lot of single women that were professional a lot of feminists You know whether it really died hard or not I was in the couch surfing so I got into evolved with a lot more feminist in that regard Which is a whole nother story But it was interesting from the standpoint is if that's the pool that I was fishing from You know that you sit down say as a conservative republican male, you know and and kind of having some of these ideas You would sit down and say this should be the antistasis But it was amazing the number of women that you could ride hard put away wet that were absolutely satisfied That would all of a sudden get up and go make you a sandwich and be happy to do so You know and I didn't ask for it And it was always one of those moments of joy of you know of doing that And I I happen to like to cook and the house was designed to do around doing that So it was not hard to all of a sudden kind of segue into that lifestyle And it was interesting to kind of seeing the life arc for these women even though I'm no longer in their lives Of how that's kind of influenced so that they're doing those sort of things that a couple of them are actually married now You know and doing that and they're like, yeah, I'm still feminist, but yeah, I make breakfast in the morning You know or what I can't wait to make him a sandwich Yeah, yeah I was like there were a couple of them. I can remember like there were a couple of them where she's like just can't Can't speak English, you know, you know, obviously with this face and body. I've really got to work it I'm by god. I did But I can remember telling her just like sandwich And they're getting pissed off and just like slapping the ass and go make a sandwich and and allows you to You know, a fraction period of actually recover and then go back at it But and she knew was a challenge and it was one in which they naturally responded because it's a biological response It's not about it's it's it's nature not about ideology. Nature always wins. Yeah, nature will win That's it's so tragic about feminism. One of the things that's a fucking tragic and horrible about it is like Men and women do get along when they like go into their natures and they tap into that You know, the woman makes a sandwich. She's happy to make the sandwich to serve you It's it's a stupid little thing. She makes a sandwich at a fucking kitchen table, right? But it makes her happy that little like extra couple percent and you're like, yeah, fuck. Yeah, I got a sandwich It's it's so simple. I did my job. You did your job. We're so concerned. It's not even served. It's care Yeah, it's care and it's value added and that's what's been that's what's been so aggressively attacked by the feminists and Well, they've spewed it's propaganda. It's all these young women They've taught them I saw a role talking about it recently that young women are taught that anything's subservient to men Even the slightest hint is like negative and bad and evil and that's the opposite of reality They love falling into that role for a man they respect and the man they value and so Them being taught that it's just it's disgusting and horrifying and it makes them miserable It makes men miserable. It makes everybody into to kind of overshare I I can remember laying back and having the scowl just sit up and she's pissed and I'm like sandwich Or lick my cock clean And and I go if you're going to compete at a sexual level Lick it clean, but I really just want a sandwich. Let's have a sandwich and let's go take a shot And I'll bet you right now. Yeah, you asked her about that. She remembers every word of what you said Yeah, and you just and there was this visual response in which yeah, I'll go make you a sandwich And it was fabulous, but you know, you know going going back to the red pill You know the the problem with the red pill community that I see too much is that it was, you know Euphonisms totally involved here It was really trying to initially identify the matrix understanding what's really going on understanding What a woman's hypergamous interest is as you know, as opposed to on males And understanding it, but it doesn't get beyond that, you know, that's the challenge We are obligated to meet well I think they've tried to like with the married red pill like we're ryan hunter or more involved with especially ryan stone But I think what really happened is that If they're kind of I think roller did a good job of this is patriarch post for this upcoming convention Yeah, it was it was he went overboard. I thought he went overboard. He was impressed. I was impressed like genuinely It was holy shit. I was expecting just like an announcement post not like fucking here's the concepts and the abstracts behind it But I think the the red pill community in the manisphere, but especially the red pill Maybe the migth has even worse actually They're very triggered by anything that is even remotely like replying the red pill to family information Marriage illegally which sucks amount of favor, right? Right? Yeah, but you know fatherhood and family They're like super off put by it. It's like the fuck yourself This is just as valid building a family is just as valid as being cobertates fucking great grandfather You know being gangest con, you know cobertates style or something, right? The these are these are options you have the knowledge To make your fucking choice and you know choices up consequences There you go. Yeah, it's end up 2019. I like it. Yeah for the 2018 speech That's how I started it. I was like, I don't care if you're married. I don't care if you're divorced I don't care if you're spinning plates like I'm just talking to you as a man and it's a married every character That's what matters, you know and with the red pill community I mean, I think they are starting to come around to it But they're whether we like it or not There are men who are going to be married and start families Whether there are men who are going to do the private thing. They're men who are going to do the government sanctioned I don't give a shit what you did. Let's make you the best you can be I don't care about anything else. It's all about developing character You know, so when we talk about a little migtail guys not wanting to do this It's almost reminds me when we talk about boot camp or the guys that resisted training on boot camp that You know, I can't do 100 push-ups or you know, you break it out, you know, you know, yeah Yeah, it's literally looking at that that you're doing that one Seven days march 6th march 6th. Yeah, new Yeah You know, but the notion of breaking out 100 push-ups over the course five times 20 push-ups over the course of the day You can do that. You can condition yourself to actually do that, you know, but it's about having standards It's about developing character and that's what this patriarchy event is really looking at doing It's not sort of just sort of here's a band-aid over a gaping wound It's about developing the character so you can rise and stand and and emanate out one of the things I really like about it. It starts with the individual from the inside out It's not going on the outside trying to how do you know for women? How to make men better for women now or make women better for men? No, it's how do I make myself better that I can be a viable and productive and worthwhile? I wrote exactly that. Oh, really? Fix the man, fix his families. Yeah, yeah, yeah That's how it works. Yeah. Well, I think what the red pill is really triggered by I think a lot of them are really upset by what's going on I think what it's doing is it's like We're applying the red pill to something that they've ignored or kind of downplayed for so long And we're like proudly unapologetically going for it like yep Patriarchy fatherhood masculinity marriage. Fuck. Yeah, 100% And that's always been downplayed is like, oh your beta your suit all this bullshit. It's like I've been called a faggot so many times. Yeah, you're married faggot. That's where it ended And I love the memes that you know, we show mig town where they sit down and go You get to keep all this and some guy buried with cash, you know, let's cash all over Well, let me let me say that none of it's true though. Let me play this So I think what the red pill does is they they everyone says hey, it's a prexology It's this is the consensus right now, right? And I agree. It's a prexology It's a mechanical guide to fix your car or do this understand woman in the truth, right and the reality of it Sure They say that but when push comes to shove when it comes to family Parenting fatherhood marriage all this stuff all of a sudden that goes out the window All of a sudden no, no, no, no, no, no, that's for betas. Fuck you. All the shit It's like no you said it's for you know, the knowledge is the knowledge How you apply it is up to you to make a decision to make a choice to make a conclusion For how are you going to apply it to your life and your values before you fucking die? Andrew the private man is the speaker of this convention. You met him interviewed him back in 2016 That guy's dead as a doornail. Yeah, we're all going to fucking die someday. Everybody. You're going to be dead long before I'm probably yeah, you know Andrew's dead. Roller's gonna be dead before I am texas dom These guys are gonna be fucking dead It's like what are we going to do between now and then whether you're 20 30 like myself or 50 or whatever Or 30 what are you 32 or something? 32 Yeah, it's like make a fucking choice and make a decision Take the knowledge and apply it and I think what I think what we're doing patriarch's convention Is we're highlighting that that fake that cognitive dissonance these guys have they say it's a prexology They say it can be applied to anything right, but when you when you push to you when you push push comes to shove No, no, it's it's easy. It's just easier not to and we're calling attention that they're choosing not to that's right Yeah, we're shoving it up their ass and that's uncomfortable. That's a comfortable reality Yeah Yeah, fuck. Yeah, so I'm that wasn't the point that wasn't the intention I didn't think about that even not even 10 steps before that I was just doing the fucking conference doing the fatherhoods focus, you know Hunter inspired it all this stuff and the patriarch focus that came together really beautifully. I'm really excited Ticket sales are on fire. They're almost at 2018 levels, which is impressive It's a focused event like a lot of guys who want to be chads are gonna be like, why would I go? Well, I mean whatever if you want to go to go, but a lot of guys are fucking going we have about 70% of the sales so far for 2018 comparatively Yeah, one of the guys I'm corresponding with is actually choose them go to the patriarch event rather than the urlando event Because he goes it's so focused. Yep. We'll get them both Yeah, but you can't resist the dream baby the dream team Yeah, with that said, I think we should start wrapping up here closing remarks gentlemen for the upcoming conference the 21 convention patriarch edition first inaugural event I think we'll repeat it in the future and see how it goes. So see how frequently we do it I can't see how it won't be a standard event. Yeah, I I just I just can't see I agree I just don't know about the frequency because I want to do I have my priorities are like American event Europe event patriarch event and then the 22 you get a lot going on That's a that's that's a good problem to have You gotta figure out how do I how do I do more? Where you're not able to have to be involved as much And we've got to make father because by the way, you don't talk about this back Yeah, that puts all the other things that you're talking about doing as well Yeah, you know, so there's you've got a lot on your plate. You've got to figure out But no, I just can't see this not being just a single one off of you. I agree. I agree And initially I was like, ah, I'm able to be a one-time thing. I doubt we won't do it again It's like how we do it every 12 months every 18 months every 24 months. We'll see we'll figure it out Then that's what I do best I think you're gonna do this one first one year and one year because you got to get one inside the election period And this is going to be a gender war. You need one just before the election Oh, yeah Triggering to the nine to the nine thousand level Hunter and comments. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm obviously biased in the fact that we're doing a family event I've got the family alpha. I'm fucking all about father. Is your wife coming? No, I'm going solo She's a bachelor. Yeah She came last time 2018. She really enjoyed it. It was amazing. It's you know what I Total side note all the women that say oh 21 con blah blah talk to my wife Ask her how she felt she should we did a podcast on it? Yeah, she said I loved it Everyone you know the men were gentlemen, you know, everybody's respectful. The message was for men, but it was never you know Anti-women let's go down. It's teaching men how to be great men and better men and just go out and do their thing Get exactly what they want from life. She was also the first person in the world to buy this hat Yeah, my wife first one. I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. She saw it when you Presented, I guess you know Bronson. She's like fuck. Yeah jumped on it first one in line. Yep, but for this I mean There's plenty to say about it. We've been talking for an hour. Yeah, but when you look at this and you know You really break it down to the elements. We're going to be helping men Find that confidence and competence in self and when you look at and we were talking about this outside Their sons and their daughters and these men go home will never be the same They're going to have a father who's more involved a father who understands his role a father who's going to put Presence into their lives that's going to send them to heights that he's never achieved My son and daughter. I know are going to be better He's going to be a better man and a better as a daughter. They're going to reach heights I don't even know exist because I'm giving them everything and I hope that their children Beat them because that is our job is to make our children better than we are You know, isn't that an amazing thing? You just don't hear society talking about that Parents obligations to actually keep their children and to support them and have them We live in the me generation parents like to tell me it's not about me And you know, I do my best to be my best right, but I give everything I'd be a much better blogger a much better everything You know if I chose to put this and myself ahead of my family But I make sure the families cared for as well as pursuing my mission I mean here, obviously, so that's part of it But you also have given that time and these guys we're going to see better children because of this 100% because of this convention there will be better children And you'll be a better father than you were before that is guaranteed I see what you're doing is you are doing a very good job of aligning your values and hierarchy You're making decisions. You're making choices those choices of consequences and you're like, fuck. Yeah, I'll take those consequences Perfect I'm super happy having you on today man. Appreciate you coming down Thank you. Looking forward to shooting a bunch of guns tomorrow. Fuck. Yeah States at the house. Yeah Sock as always Gentlemen, thanks for joining us on this episode. Appreciate you guys checking it out This is hunter drew from the family alpha.com Socrates from manningupsmart.com Both alumni speakers proud and amazing alumni speakers of the 21 convention Check them out meet them both shake their hands face to face at the 21 convention patriarch edition this spring in elanda, florida May 3rd to the 5th get tickets at on the link below underneath the video Also, you can type the 21 convention dot org dot or g Slash patriarch also meet them later this year at the fall at the 21 convention 2019 world event Main event of the year biggest 21 con and 21 con in fucking history Thanks guys. I'll see you soon. Look forward to shaking your hand in 21 con. Peace