 Greetings everybody. This is Debbie Daschinger from Dare to Dream and it is a pleasure to be with you today. Thanks if you're joining us live on one of the many platforms where we are right now. And if you're watching the replay thank you as well because time is infinite and illusion so we're all together in this moment anyway. I'm going to be this weekend out at the UFO contact in the desert. I'm actually leaving tonight. So I'll be an Indian Wells any of you out there. Are you attending and if you're going to be there. And you know this face because you watch the show rather than listen to the show please come up and say hello and let me know you listen to Dare to Dream connect with me it'll be a pleasure to see you out there. I'm excited because believe it or not it is my first time going I know crazy right have been invited but this is the first time they have actually asked me as press media, so I'm excited to. Yeah, I'm really excited to see all of who is out there and the conversations and everything that this weekend is about, and I'm actually ready to see something while we're out in the desert. Let's make that happen to a little bit later on the show today Karen Grillo is here she's been on the show before. She's the founder of the angel alchemy Academy, and she's here to talk about her new book which is angel wealth magic. And in this conversation today you're going to hear creative solutions to grow your bank account, a business and entrepreneurial dream or the home and life that you want. This is definitely the conversation for you dare to dream with Debbie dash finger one the covr award for best radio and podcast show. We are currently listed in wealth magazine, as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. It's a high ranking self improvement podcast on Apple podcasts, and has been nominated for two people's choice podcast awards and a webby award. 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I got to say I'm really proud of you, because this has been a few years in the making, right. And I remember when New World Library first approached you about writing a second book, and you were having a kind of experience like, This is awesome. This is a beautiful opportunity. I'm a heck yes, and there was like where's the juice. So you did it. How did you find the juice to do this? Well, I waited for the inspiration, essentially. I, you know, rather than forcing something, I had to wait for the inspiration to come and I had a wonderful, you know, I, I call it a financial miracle happen and, and Spirit sat me down and said, Yeah, we brought this on and it's not just for you we brought it on like this so that you can share, share the steps and share a different way that we can help folks. And I think it was within the context of, you know, during lockdown and things, things like that people were struggling people losing their businesses. And so at the time, yeah, it was very inspiring. And so I had to wait for it Debbie. I had to wait for it but you know what it happened. And I love that because when you change that perspective it's so true what you said. When you change the perspective from the me to the look who I'm serving. It's very different because you have a piece of the puzzle, which regards angels that other people don't and you're going to present it in a way that nobody else will. So thank you for creating your dream and helping us at the same time. Thank you Debbie. Yeah, I dared. I dared. Yes. Awesome I know when you created your dream. So in this new book, loved it by the way love all the exercises thank you for that it wasn't just talking, but you give so much practical. You said in the new book, quote, all we need to do is call upon divine intervention that is ready and able to help us fulfill our financial and best life dreams. So is that something you use in your life. How do you work with that. Yes, I talked to angels a lot. I mean, even when I'm not asking for something it's just it to me at this stage it's about just realizing that we have friends that are there. Companions sometimes when we need to process something talk to some someone but yes I, I asked for all the things. And I also give a lot of love to, you know, a lot of gratitude it's kind of like a two way street. But, but yeah it took me took me a while to realize how real angels were and how they're they literally are just right here for all of us, and they are not from a specific religion. They are beyond religion, and they are here for all of us from all walks of life from all over the world and there's a lot of different ways to slice that pickle you know as far as there's a lot of different things you can call it, or call them. But, but they're there. They're there. And do you see them, or do you feel them. It's a little of both. It's a little of both it depends on the context. In the beginning, I could, I could sense them. And they would, you know, you know, in the beginning I, when I first realized they were real it was, it's because I witnessed a miracle and I, I realized oh gosh okay. Angels are real. And, again, depending on the situation. I think my first primary way of experiencing them was through Claire sentience meaning I could feel the presence come into the room, or I'm trying to do just regular psychotherapy psychotherapy and I feel the angels walk in and I you know just go What am I supposed to do should I say this out loud because back in the beginning when I started working with angels it happened spontaneously, and it took me a while to kind of adapt to the new reality that I'm feeling seeing experiencing angels and what the heck am I supposed to do about it. Amazing amazing. When you do see them what do you see exactly. Well depends on if I have my eyes open or eyes closed. Sometimes it's just lights or little twinkles that a lot of us have these experiences it's just we don't connect it connect the dots. So sometimes it's a flash of light. Sometimes it's, it's a, it's kind of like a in a theory or kind of like a radiance that stronger on one side of someone or the other or above them. Sometimes I just again like I can feel if they're touching someone's hand, and then I'll say hey, do you have any pressure on your left hand. And so again there's a lot of different ways but people experience angels in a lot of different ways. But yeah, I usually just see see lights I don't see like the full wings with the sword or you know anything like that. Yeah, yeah, but for me I know it's angels versus like an ancestor because of the how it how it feels it's to me it feels a little more effervescent a little brighter, whereas ancestors feel more like people walking in the room. Interesting. Interesting that you can perceive that as well. Okay, so we mentioned at the beginning and I like to deliver about creative solutions and you have experienced them I know you work with people, both privately and in groups. So what do you teach teach us right now, what are some creative solutions, and this is a very spiritual crowd. So you want to maybe you know, give us some stuff we haven't heard before. For those who are out there like yeah, I, in fact, I just want a little tangent here but there's a beautiful exercise right at the beginning about, you know what do you need cash for right now, and you make a list and there's some things to do. Folks who want to grow up bank account. Maybe they say I really want to do this ex business or I'm an entrepreneur and I have a dream of, I'll even throw in somebody who, let's see, let's go across the board somebody who has debt, and God their dream is to travel the world. Ta da. What would you recommend. There's a lot of different things that they could do. So let me just feel into like what would be a good first step for someone like this. First, I would say, call in your angels, even if you don't know which angel yet you call in your angel and you ask them to de shame your game. Meaning sometimes if we're really in debt we somehow feel like failures, we feel burdened, and sometimes shame itself blocks us from miracles blocks us from that connection because maybe we feel unworthy. And I talk, I talk about that in the book talk about shame. So you can call the angels in and first just identify what the heavy feeling about this is. So maybe it's shame. Maybe it's just a depression or anxiety. So identify that first feeling about it. Think of the situation how do you really feel and then you can call in your angels do some deep breathing and ask them to lift some of that off of you and can reconnect you with your heart. So I always work with angels as an act of love. So when you think about why we want more cash we want to pay off our debt so that we can do this and this and this, but when we really sum it up, we want to experience more love in our lives. Sometimes the depletion of the anxiety stops us stops us from that. So I like to just get clear on, hmm, what's my overarching feeling about this angels, help me remove some of this stuff. And then what kind of love am I trying to call in, I'm trying to call in feeling safe and my body safe and my bank account. And I want to have overflowing cash or I would love to and a lot of people are in this place right now. So I would love to quit my job my job and do heart centered work where I serve from my soul and get paid at the same time. How do I do that. So angels can give us creative solutions. It's a very personal recipe a very personal process, even though I line up in the book rituals and different different steps to really open up the pathway. I always invite people to, to go beyond just quick cash, and really get into the why. There are tons of angels that can specifically help with different things. So let's say that you realize gosh I have a really stinky attitude about life and stinky attitude about things that I just because that's not always in congruent with attracting a bunch of cash. If that's that then you can look look in the book or look at your whatever your angel resources and go hey Archangel Jofiel helps me beautify my thoughts beautify my mind. And if we are in a dark mental place I always recommend calling on Archangel either Michael or Archangel Jofiel. So wealth attraction isn't just a one step thing we have to look at. How we're feeling about things, maybe even what are the beliefs that we grew up that limit us based on our skin color our gender, and what our culture tells us about, you know, working hard and all of those things. So it's a multifaceted thing which is why I talk a lot about the different, the different branches of wealth making inside the book. Beautiful. Do you have any examples you could give us client stories who went from one particular status and we're able to completely alter that using your methods or perhaps something personal for you. Sure. Yeah, I mean I talk about my personal situation in the book. But maybe I can talk about a realtor who was really having a hard time moving past. She would only get deals for $999,000. Every time she had a client that was selling a house for $1 million and more, it just didn't work and she spent years and she was a busy realtor. Okay, she knew that there was something else happening on the inside. So, she came in for a session. We did some work spirit show showed me that some of the issues was just ancestral issues things that she had kind of through epigenetics, some old poverty trauma that made her people believe that rich people were terrible people. And so once we identified that belief we worked with the angels we cleared that belief, and she literally left that session, went to her next client that day she came in before this million dollar client because she's like I'm not going to do this again. I know it's how I'm going to go see Corinne. So she did it and she sold her first she got her first million dollars like a million 500. And then after that what was wild is that it's as if a dam broke open. And she said within a week she had she were up in the Bay Area in California. She had Beverly Hills calling her trying to list houses with her. She doesn't she didn't even know how this person got her number. She's been cascaded and then since then she she's been doing really really well. Yeah. So, again, that's why looking more deeply underneath what might be inhibiting our, our power to have that to break our own glass ceilings. So first we have to identify that it is a glass ceiling because a lot of us are just so used to being in a certain place we just think that's what life is I know that was true for me. So once you identify it, then you get to task. What are the, what are the questions that I can ask myself. And, you know, do some inner inner inner work there. Right, because it's a repeated experience and it's very easy to think this is just what it's like for me and yet the moment someone who's in that condition looks outside of them. Well, you can see there's people not in that condition. Right. And that is the litmus right there. There's nothing different. We're both energy and we're both energy breathing. So something is happening in their lane that is allowing them this overflow, and something is clogging up my lane. And I like that you talk about epigenetics could be involved, course past lives could be involved and like you said, the family that you grew up in could make a huge difference that you've seen something also repeatedly or been told something repeatedly. So I just want to go over what you said for folks so they can remember that which is first identify well you need to know what is you want to create. That's not there right now then you want to identify any heavy feelings that are going on. Then you want to call in your angels. Do you need to know your angels names or you can just so say, angels. Yeah, you just open in the beginning in the very beginning is this is something someone can do today. They only don't have to be an expert an angel expert because your angels are literally right there right now. So, but they need a task. You know they need something so if you say hey I'm feeling this pressure. Can you come and help lighten my load, and you sit there and breathe and you give it a minute or two. Nine times out of 10 you will feel a minimum of 20 or 30% reduction of that intensity. A lot of times people feel it right away. That's true because they always say, Angel can't just Russian and help they may see earth this person I love needs help. You have to ask. Yes, you have to ask you have to engage you have to be in relationship period. A lot of people even religious people don't even know what that means to be in relationship with spirit. And relationship needs watering. Right, we need communication. Hey, angels, you know, give them some love, ask for stuff, talk to them. And the more and this is what happened for me the more that I actually did talk to them is the more that the miracle started happening. So, so yeah they're right there right now you don't have to be an expert, and you don't even have to believe in them, because when I started talking to them, I didn't fully believe in them, either. Someone just said hey talk to them as if they're real and I said okay. And then the things started happening a cascade effective of amazing this started happening. So it's true for for all of us. And something else I'm being compelled to say right now through spirit is that this is working with angels is not a woo woo or airy fairy practice. This is something that we all have in our DNA. This knowledge this wisdom is ancient through our ancestors, our ancestors have always worked with spirit with benevolent forces to help us thrive. And so the only way for us to really prove that out is to give it a shot, like a And, and because when people think angels like I feel like, you know, automatically people, some people not your people, but some people out there are going to judge us for like, Oh, you're so, oh, it's so new agey it's not. And none of the work that we're doing is new agey channeling is not new agey it's an ancient art form, mediumship, not new either ancient art form. And so, so the angels to they're just right here right now and we have to learn I feel the old ways in order to learn how to thrive again and the more that we embrace these things not as a separate secret thing that we're doing, but included in all of our lives. The more that we receive the benefits and the bounty of that. And I love that benefits and bounty. Okay, so first we identify what we want to create, then we identify if there are any heavy feelings what those are, then we call in the angels. And then we ask the angels and I, this was incredible de shame my game. So we ask the angels instead to allow us to create what it is we desire as an act of love to experience more love or and or safety and or overflowing etc whatever the truth is for you. And then, I'm trying to see what I wrote, sent work heart, oh heart centered work. Yeah, heart centered work as well. And then I guess you get out of the way, right you allow the angels to do their magic because otherwise you're blocking all the good. Exactly, you get out of the way you receive and sometimes you receive in the form of inspiration. The steps that I have in the book are designed to actually bring on like a random quick cash to. But I'm a little, you know, I really want people to go also deeper with that. And so if it's not just $20,000 that you want but long term, you know, like what do you want, what do you desire long term. And then we call that in, but one of the things that that we kind of falter around is that spirit will give us also inspiration and ideas. And sometimes we want, we just want to be rescued. And sometimes that's not the path. Sometimes it's our job to meet spirit, where they are to meet in between somewhere. So I just want to stress another way that we get in the way of our bounty is by refusing to take action, because they feel too scary. They definitely are overwhelming. Oh yeah, or impossible or it's never going to work or you think you're shy but you're not really shy it's it's just you're just afraid or just afraid of putting your neck out there. Yeah, those are really good examples. And it makes me curious, I, I wouldn't know I never even heard of the angel Jophiel that you brought up I've never even heard that name before. And I'm not that intimate I know maybe five different names who who, but the thing that makes me very curious about this I had this was last year I had a galactic reading. And that's an Akashic record reading but galactic. And it's a beautiful experience and the gal. She's very famous and she's pretty amazing, but she told me the inception of my soul was Elohim. And it was the second time somebody told me that that I had a lot of respect for and the first time I was like, yeah, whatever. You know, it's a pocket, you know, it's casual casual lighthearted conversation Elohim. That's right, your co creator with God, it's like, but yeah I really brushed it off the first time and then a year later somebody came back and same. And so I paid attention because both these people are tremendous and I thought okay what would it look like to just look into this. I have from time to time when I do my work in my morning practice or different things I just call to them because I feel like well, in a sense they're my brothers and sisters. That's a wild thought so what if I called them in, and I still want to investigate what does that mean if I was a co creator once upon a time or concurrently a lifetime. What does that mean for me today. And I find that fascinating that there could be some of those angelic qualities of you want it. You got it. Right. So that's yeah that's a big path for me right now. And who knows maybe these processes I've been using of yours could open that conversation for me or that connection for me. I mean, that's what angels do. It's not just they, they help us get cash, they help us with all the things but one definition of wealth is the deep internal wellspring of wealth which is our spirit which is that divinity within us and and really it's not just fire to burn but angels classically in Western traditional magic in Kabbalah. It's not just about praying and give me stuff. It's about the highest form of high magic which is illumination, enlightenment, and they are bridge builders so they are messengers but I see them as bridges to our truth, whatever that truth may be. What is a banishing ritual. What, what is a banishing ritual and why is it important. Yeah, a banishing ritual is something again that traditionally folks have used it during ceremony, even shamanic ceremony has a form of banishing, but it is a way to clear your container clear the space when you're entering into a magical room and doing a ritual to call whatever it is and it's a it's a love spell or you know whatever it is you're doing. So a banishing ritual invokes the way that I talk about it in in this book is invokes the powerful quadrants, the four corners, and the archangels that stand in the four corners to create a circle of protection and above you and beneath you so that when you walk into your operation, you've cleared all the demons inner demons and outer demons, and you in a way to sterilize your beaker for your experiment. And what have you banished before that has been really prevalent that has had tremendous impact. Well, banishing is it will banish anything that is in your fields that's disharmonious. So one way to think of it is if you're experiencing depression or if you're an empath and you're just caked over and you don't, you don't know why you're feeling funky. But you know more than likely you've soaked up someone else's invisible dog poop that they leave behind. And, and you can use the banishing ritual to release you from anxiety, depression, and those kinds of things at the very least. Now if you are really engaged in the spiritual world, and you feel like you're being haunted, or there's something demonic or kind of yucky around you, you can use a banishing ritual to do do the protection. So I have banished all of the above. Wow. Like one session and done. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's what it's, that's what it's for you have to try the banishing ritual to to understand but again it takes, I would say, practice, and also understanding your own authority. And so what trips us up and what kind of makes us, I would say a little wobbly and afraid of any of that stuff that I just mentioned is when we don't we're not in our power, we're not in our center and we don't understand our deeper nature, and our relationship with spirit. So we still feel kind of like small and under attack and, you know, there's a lot of different ways that that can manifest. So, so yeah, we have the authority to banish whatever but we have to kind of practice that, you know, practice and really feel into it and get really skilled at that. Amazing. Yeah, totally. And then so concurrently, or contrary, I should say then how can listeners own their power. So everybody, everybody who's watching this and listening to this they are light workers they are the earth angels. How would you recommend. Here's how to really step it up and like be all that be your own boss be the boss, be the boss. Yeah, I, there's so many different that's a great question so many different ways to answer that let me just feel into the best way to answer it for right now. I think the first step is not seeking validation from anybody else to really find validation from the inside. First, any time we're looking for someone to validate us. I believe in angels and but my but my whoever makes fun of me. Okay, if you catch yourself in that game you've just given all your power away because the bottom line is who cares you're here for something. And your unique special people cannot find you if you don't own all that you are so I say no don't look for out validation outside of yourself believe and trust whatever your instinct is wherever you want to move forward if you got this badass message, say it out loud say it louder than you ever would. And, and, again, trust, don't look for validation outside and take way bigger risks than your, than your remotely comfortable with step all the way outside of the box put your neck, if you're used to putting it out for like six inches, put it out three feet, and, and you know go farther because we all have a vision for how we can do that, but there ain't no way to claim your power unless you know you're totally supported. And we cannot build that kind of trust, just being in faith faith is like, I'm just going to be in my bubble and I believe in God, I believe in good things will happen to me. Trust is when you step out of the box, you start making power moves. You're not looking for validation outside yourself, you're just doing your work. And then you really see if the universe is going to support you. Yeah, I resonate so much with what you're saying, I was just in a ceremony last weekend a medicine ceremony. And one of the many things that I was shown by the divine is staying in my own lane. So, you know, and I love them because they're so graceful with me and gentle, but clear, and they made it very clear that as a sensitive and an empath, I'm aware of like everything, you know, energy and rhythms and movements and this person that and you know that person even in a ceremony you know if you're here somebody throwing up and especially the ceremony and my heart's going to them or oh I'm not throwing up I'm not getting rid of anything I mean it's a million things you could do with that or just I think some people also get can get very distracted by that like oh I wish they would be quiet. That's not my thing, but they would just really showing me like it's a gift, like appreciate the gift of being an empath, and knowing and also a clear sentient and stay in your lane, like, bring it back here and it's all about you Deb. In, and I mean that in the way focus on yourself what's your process what are you dealing with right now. Forget about what's going on out there they're good. Divine's there too. But what is it you need and what what is it, you know where are we moving you right now and that is really huge for me. Seriously, because I think I was really codependent after my childhood. And that's both from being so uber aware, and also needy, you know, needy of love and approval and whatever else and so coming out of all that and like, I can sense there's a big piece of me stepping into another level of potency that I haven't ever seen before. And that was just like one piece. So I really, I'm really vibing with what you're talking about right now, and the importance of that, your own path, your own journey. Yeah, I can see you know what you're what you're saying and it is a practice isn't it to focus on ourselves especially when we're in paths and feeling, feeling everything and you. And especially I think a lot of women have a hard time really feeling like they're valuable enough to just focus on themselves and not the whole world needs you right now, you need you and I think right now on the planet. And a lot of us are being called deeper inside of ourselves deeper inside of our hearts because we're getting new pulses to to shift and change in different ways like guidance from deeper into the cosmic heart. And for those of us who are here to do trippy trippy work, we need to focus on ourselves and stay in our own lane right now. Yes, totally. And, and I love what you were saying because it's really now more than ever true. The answer to every opportunity is yes. There is no wobble there it's okay by the way because I feel all that stuff to like, why me. You know I've been asked to speak on a massive stage in Mexico City in December and I went okay. That's beautiful thank you for finding me and asking me. I was asked in ceremony to sing at the end of Saturday night you know there's a part of me like, Oh my God I'm on medicine and I feel this it's like whatever. The answer is yes. And I got up and sang and I'm so glad I did, because it was beautiful is beautiful for me was beautiful for me to express is beautiful for me to contribute beautiful for people to receive and move them and right that moment that was a moment I wouldn't have gotten back all of these are moments so I agree we came here to be big and live big. But that the answer to every opportunity is hallelujah, and yes, the answer is yes, especially if I don't feel capable, especially if I don't because I get to prove myself wrong. Exactly how else are we going to tap into those deeper tools and resources. And that's what I mean by putting your neck all the way out there a little bit, a little bit wider, a little bit wider because you do you tap into some really amazing frontiers on the inside. Well, my dear, you are an amazing example of this period. So let's talk about that a little bit. Great segue because you identify as a Chicana and Puerto Rican, you outline very clearly in your book, the setting that you grew up in. And coming from where you came from the odds for you to become who you have visibly out in the world as an author of financially happiness wise everything that you've created, owning a retreat center all of this amazing stuff. The odds were not in your favor. So, first let's talk about what is amazing for you about your lineage, and about growing up in that amazing culture. Yeah, well you know that the package of my lineage is really even just recently coming even more clear, you know as I anchor and deepen into my own ancestors and, and integrate more with their wisdom and allow myself to get re rooted in my body but also with my DNA and my genetics. The gift of just having you know as much as I love angels. I'm also deeply into earth medicine and it and plant medicine ancestral medicine, but the work that I started unpacking over in Shasta has been so fairly mind blowing in that it has put me into contact with just a deeper magic, deeper medicine, and it's ancestral. And, and, and I just want to say to all of us here, these gifts that we all have. And a lot of your, your people are deep feelers empaths, visionaries, seekers. A lot of us feel like we came from nowhere, but it is coming from our ancestors there are highly gifted humans standing behind us humans. A lot of us want to say oh it's just coming from stars or the galactic whatever your ancestors super bad ass to so it's vertical and horizontal. And so I just, I come from a lineage of healers and oracles, and I can own this now. Oh wait so say more about that what do you mean. Yeah, I. So the Oracle side, where was the Puerto Rican side, and because of colonization, you know all of us have been uprooted from our lands a lot of us have been uprooted, no matter where you could be from Europe but if you're over in the United States, you have been uprooted from your land also so we lost this connection. But anyways yeah my ancestors started piling in, getting the instruction teaching me. And yeah, the oracles, actually my grandfather was was a trans channel, which I didn't know, because my dad is like she's just you know hush hush about it. And, and so he was indigenous in Puerto Rico, and was a trans channel so when I was reading about his, his, his upbringing and their religion with speedy these mo. Look at the altars of a speedy these mo. And then I look at my altar, and I go, Oh my gosh, it's almost the same. So I thought I was doing something new talking to angels and talking but it's in the lineage is what I'm saying. And then on the let on the other side and I'm saying for all of us it's in our lineage the more that we make contact with the ones that stand behind us that are in resonance with our deeper work or deeper medicine, the more powerful we become the more visionary we become. And so on the on my Mexican side, bunch of healers, big heart centered lovers people who channel, what a loop a, and the compassion goddess is, and the warm mother. So that, for me is the, the sum of the work that I do. It's so hard. And it's so you know it's a little like really magical trippy to it's a combination. And so that is like my lineage now, as far as my upbringing. I got a lot of flavor and spice from that. Of course, and you know there was a lot of trauma a lot of hard hardship, you know going on. My dad was, was a Vietnam veteran, we did a couple tours. And back then they didn't have a lot of support or help for our soldiers. So when he came back he, you know, he wasn't well, and unleashed some of that on our family, and, and much to his own chagrin too it's nothing that he would ever sign up for ever do. But again, this trauma is real. And so there's that and there's a few other things, but, but at this point in my life I'm so grateful for, and I say that not not just like as a talking head because that's what I'm supposed to say because like over it. I was not over it for a long time I had to chew it up, spit it out, puke it out vomit it over and over and over again until it became rich nourishment for me. And, and so my family is just just powerful. So full of heart so full of passion. And I'm so grateful for the lessons but where I stand today is in no way shape or form would have ever been anything that I could have ever conceived up based on our upbringing both my parents were from extreme poverty. And, and it's just, it's just extraordinary. Spicy, thank you. I know you have this retreat center in Mount Shasta. And what do you do there tell me, tell me about this like I can actually energetically feel the land. And it feels very palpable. So tell me about that and what kind of things you create and offer there. Yeah, well, I do a lot of helping people connect with their worth with their lineage with their roots authentically. So it over there we just embrace that all people come from indigenous people, no matter where we're from. And it's very much my work over there to help people embody and reawaken this, this intrinsic wisdom, how to read the skies and talk to the land commune with the earth and so the divinity is really making itself known through the earth plane. And up there we you know I do I do that work but the land itself is like mother's milk. It is walking into just excessive amounts of compassion, love. And, and so, yeah, I teach people kind of some of the foundations of how to work more authentically with the spirit of the land, and also work a lot with with with plant medicines as well. Because that's a heavy part of my training as well and it's just been so mind blowing Debbie, it's been so extraordinary. It's just so beautiful. I'm going to start crying. It's so beyond so beyond anything I ever had ever dreamed of when I first conceived of this idea. And it's just such an intense blessing for not just for me or for the community that gathers are the different people who descend upon there whenever I'm kind of doing doing or we're doing our thing up there. But it has given me a real template for what we can expect and what I can call in for humanity as well. And I feel like when we're there, it is a foreshadowing of what is possible for humans when we integrate who we are, and when we learn how to really move from the heart. Before we started this show, you mentioned that you have seen a lot of activity in the skies that you go to take a picture and it's like you almost can't take a picture without capturing unexpectedly a spacecraft or something or being or whatever. So is that something that occurs specifically in Shasta for you because I know there's tremendous activity up there. Actually, it happens in my backyard. I go home in the Bay Area, but it happens up there. Yeah, I have some good some pretty good photos of some saucer like things when I'm like live streaming and stuff like that. But yeah, the activity. It really started when I was kind of called to start working directly with the sun as the source of creator as a source of creator, and understanding that the angels in spirit as uses the sun as a portal. So I would just kind of call and pray, pray for the angels to come and then take some snapshots and then I didn't didn't do a lot I haven't done it a lot but when I do there's there's stuff happening in the sky and it's extraordinary it's, it's a to me it's been such a mind blowing connection between, you know, if you look at some of the old books, even the cave paintings about these benevolent beings that come from the skies come from the heavens. So I'm kind of having fun thinking about angels, and these, these, these little things in the sky as being one in the same, you know, we have Ezekiel talking about beings, the angels and chariots of fire and all of those things so I feel like we're on it in an extraordinary time on the planet. And if we do our work to detox from fear and from paranoia and those kinds of things and open our hearts wider to really receive love and the bounty of love. We can have some pretty extraordinary experiences right now. So you, you've seen them you've captured them certainly you feel them, but mostly we're talking about on camera, right or phone, whatever it is you're using. Have you actually had any interaction that you're clear is benevolent galactic sort of thing. You mean like like a space alien, you know, sitting here talking to me handed me a sandwich kind of thing. They would be that interested in the sandwiches. A pastrami sandwich, pastrami turkey. Hey, right, we just said you ask and they deliver the angels. But yes, I'm asking you have you had, you know, there's there's two ways there's a lot of people who actually have interactions without a doubt. And then there's people who have a, it's a telepathic, meaning that they're highly aware with their eyes closed that there's a benevolent being or beings they're sent to interact with them. So yeah, that's what I'm curious about. So it's more telepathic for me. So I will sense where I should take a picture take a picture and then there's something in there. And so it's telepathic, you know, right now. It hasn't always been that way I've had experiences my whole life I had my first quote unquote alien encounter when I was 19 or 20. That one was was very present that one was physical and I could feel it in, you know, I could, that was a big one. But right now it's just, you know, play time, I don't really have, you know, I just work with the angels I do my work I'm really focused on staying here in the third dimension and doing my best work. And the rest of that is like, thank you for being here and for showing me that you're here. Now let's like come and party and help me rock, help me rock and touch people's lives and, and, and do all that stuff so. So there's been some close calls where I can really feel the physical presence and that but when the physical presence is there. My body reacts in a certain way where it starts doing a doing fear because you know you send something that's extraordinary and in a physical form. So I know when it's getting too close and I'll just say it might might. My body is not doing well right now so if you guys can back up tone it down a little bit let's talk from afar. But I still feel like the beings that are with me are angelic. Mm hmm. Okay. And I want to ask you about your physical rebirth, because I mean I know on one hand because I, you and I are connected through social media. And I believe it's been a while that you posted about this. But it's also evidence seeing you, you know seeing all your snapshots, you know you look absolutely amazing. And so what happened, what happened what did you come up against. What did you have to let go of what did you have to heal you like who are you what helped you to become this physical who you are right now. Yeah, I'm still putting those pieces together. So, yeah, well the latest, I've had a few iterations of these experiences the latest. I, I, I went through a thing. When I opened up Casa Condor, and before, before my first group, it was very stretchy in a initiation energy I thought I was, I mean I was stretched too far, and I was stressed and I was just like this is a horrible idea and I was just getting put through the, put through the grinder, but it was through during my first ceremony, where I started getting taken into a altered, a very altered state. So altered I didn't need medicine. And so, so yeah through that process I had I guess the best I can describe it was an integration with my ancestors and also with Condor spirit, which is the guiding governor over there. And that set me, that was a, that was just a big old heart rebirth heart and mind that hyper reset I became really like a child again like just playful running around all this energy, so in communion with spirit with nature with the birds that I'm talking to everybody. And, and it took me a while to kind of come, come and integrate all of that back, especially it's a little awkward as a mother of two, coming back and you get my whole identity and it has shifted I was very aware of all the masculine side of me, and I had a hard time even labeling myself as a female because there's just a very masculine bird inside of me, I know this is so weird right, but not at all it's fascinating. I know that this experience was possible and people that I had trained with in shamanically had never expressed this experience so I knew that people. I didn't know anybody who had this experience I had to kind of go through it myself as, which often happens to me, and then later on I discover more, but yeah Debbie I couldn't even type for six weeks. Like my fingers, it was like little talents, and I'm like, you know, and my, my, my assistant she knew. And we would just make fun because I was still kind of still myself but not myself. And, and I had to, again, pick up the pieces reintegrate and become Korean again, but different Korean. But yes, I couldn't type. I was, I was very I my whole how I dress changed I mean everything is different so some people would call it like a walk in I don't add an experience it like that. Yeah. It was an integration of unconscious aspects of myself. Man, it sounds powerful. It sounds amazing and I just have to celebrate you for being that surrendered to allow an experience like that to come through you. I didn't have a that one. It happened. There was nothing I could do but I was broken stretch so far so that when it happened. And it. Yeah, I think it was from me taking that bid for power, deciding that it was time to get that house because that was a big stretch for me financially. As far as dreams go and daring to dream. That's putting that was me putting my neck out there as far as I could go. And it was just tying, you know, it was time. And I think so many of us are going through our own reverse. And in a lot of ways, mine was just just extremely dramatic as as they go for me. I think sometimes just that you my first miracle that was like dramatic so you know it's that Latina flair it's going to be a little when you gave up alcohol right I don't know if you're still alcohol free but at the time I seem to recall you gave up alcohol. Yeah, yeah, gave up alcohol. And I think that gave me the bandwidth and the vitality to even dream a bigger dream, and to have the, the energy to actually pursue pursue that. But yeah, it was just time. It was time. And you lost weight and and and and it's like you're talking about this very internal process, which is incredibly powerful to allow that whole gestation period and that awakening if you will and then that fight each of these pieces finding their somehow back together like Corinne 2.0. You know, it was it was it was a little hair raising because I didn't couldn't identify with my business anymore. Like I didn't have the same passion for things like I had to sell stuff and I was like, I don't even know how to. So it took me a while. Yeah, it was it was quite a lot to deal with but it was really really on the other hand fun, you know, super super fun my kids had fun with it they knew like it was obvious I mommy had gone through a change. And so, so they just kind of laughed we just giggled, you know the whole time and hope that I could type against something. Hope the talons would learn how to work better. Very awkward, you know. So you naming a condor that was like no joke that was deep. It's a condor. Casa condor condor spirit is legit real thing and and yeah I call him grandpappy I have a picture of him hanging on the wall. He gives everybody who goes blessings and then when I'm up there and now you know obviously a channel condor spirit and, and, and, and, you know, I discovered afterwards that condor to the Peruvian folk, you know, down in Peru represent that the condor is still heart. And it's another word for Christ heart. And so it helps us be light and playful, and all of those things. So condor spirit, you know does does some good healing for folks and you know people get giggly and playful and ridiculous and this is what we all need. Oh, that's awesome because I'm actually in shamanic school a six month program. And we are. It's next week or the week after we are starting on great eagle condor, the north direction, our final direction although I'm sure Pachamama and the ancient ones and Father Sky grandmother moon will be in there towards the end as well. However, I'm very excited for that direction. You know just the feeling of the great eagle condor, knowing that you know here we are in 3D and it's often like this isn't it, you know your everything so real. And once you take a bird's eye view of something you know you're actually looking down and you can see the matrix of everything first of all the drama leaves, all the import leaves, and you're able to see so much more when you widen back. I love this idea of the first of all the freedom of the bird and the wisdom of the bird. And yeah that they fly with great spirit above the mountains, all of that so hearing you share this I'm very excited to get into that learning and teaching soon. Oh yeah the animals, the animals. It, it's, it's extraordinary. And, you know, it's, it's as if the angels and came to me in a different form so I can understand them in a different form because birds wings, you know, all the things but birds are angels, angels are the ones that are flying even higher than those. And it's all one beautiful life stream of blessings. Yeah. So for folks out there is saying you know I'm feeling stuck or you know there's something really painful going on and I would prefer it not be here. How do you suggest that they talk to their angels so that those angels can help them to really create a difference. So what they're showing me right now for your people is to lay belly down on the earth, first, and to just really be present with the earth and dump the heavy energy, the hucha, or the dark energy. Because it's just energy is the thing is what they're saying now. It's just energy so try not identifying with it, it just is notice it and dump. Then when you're dumping. It's an archangel sandalfin who comes up from the ground. And it's archangel sandalfin talking to everyone right now. And it's almost as if he's showing me us flying above the ground and he's bringing this cord from your from your naval down pulling you like hot air balloons down to the ground. And, and archangel sandalfin is saying, if you want peace if you want safety, if you want rest. Come down, not up. And he's saying talk to him so for right now the answer your to your question is archangel sandalfin is coming forward archangel sandalfin is known as the one who receives our prayers and sends them to creator. And so whatever your prayers are. And they're also telling me to tell you to not, or to tell, tell everyone, don't think that because they're angels, you have to be righteous, or perfect about it. You can ugly cry, you can cuss, you can tantrum when down on the ground. You can say why why why you can rage. And they're saying these big emotions it's very important. They're big enough for you to be able to for them to be able to hold you in a way that maybe no one else has held you or maybe we couldn't accept that spirit would be able to hold us in this way. So they're saying tantrum rage and ask spirit to help relieve you of this and don't feel like you have to show up as anything but exactly what you are in the moment. Thank you so much for that that's beautiful. What about signs so people who are listening they're like, Well, I want to know my angels are real. So, and I want to know that they're really here to help me. How can we ask for signs from them. I won't even ask you what the signs look like but how do we ask for signs and then how do we identify. Oh, that's what I was asking for. So right now it's they're coming in through the body and they're saying first call call us in and then wait until you feel something in the body, you feel something. So maybe it's just like an energy change or you feel warmer colder pressure. And they're saying just call us in you don't need to know the names, just call us in. And then you say, show me, show me the sides, show me that you're real. And I would stand outside for for this stand outside you can even go for a walk. Touch us in specific parts of the body, like right now Debbie you have some touching the tops of your feet, and also one on your left shoulder in your back. And so all of us have special places inside of our bodies, where you can feel like a light pressure or like an energy or something just a light touch, maybe if you close your eyes you feel a brightness on your hand, a brightness on your wherever your shoulders. They just want all of us to realize how physically present they are with us, I think. And then from there, once you know how they touch you, you could be like, yo, angels come in, and then show me, and then they can take you on a walk and start showing you to stay open, keep your eyes open, and know that there's no such things as coincidence pay attention to all the small signs you may not know what they mean, but you know them because it you feel it's just like oh that was weird, that's peculiar. Write those things down and ask spirit later. Hey, what does this mean, and then you learn how to be in communion in relationship and again I can't stress that that enough be in relationship as if you're wooing a new lover. So how would you address a new lover, a new friend, a new ally, and stay in relationship in that way. And you know I know what you're saying is the truth Corinne because when you say you come as you are you present exactly as you are you connect authentically I mean you're a character. You have this comedic hilarious obviously very deep and spiritual side of you but you're also quite hilarious and unique. And one of the things that I love about your books is that your personality shines you write how you speak. So you get Corinne in this. And so clearly, if you being Corinne and you've had some phenomenal experiences and miracles and really faith turning stuff over and things showing up. And I know you've got stories in here you talk about people who come to you with different crises or situations and you help them. And then they have these amazing things occur in their life. So come as you are look for the signs, feel it in your body thank you for that about my left shoulder and my the top of my feet. And I love knowing they're there. Beautiful. Yeah, it's really sweet. So this is dear to dream, not that you haven't created a lot so far in your life. However, for all of us right it's the next and the next what are you next year to dream Corinne what's your future dreams and goals. Okay, my, my biggest dream for myself is to experience love in more extraordinary ways. I think that's my, my big goal experience love spaciousness. And, but my always my biggest dreams is that other people's hearts are, are met, are found and met with, with love with that with spirit. Do you still smoke Mapacho. Of course I have like, about 200 of them just staring right at me. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yes. No girl. So I love. So are you actually facilitating these ceremonies on your own, or do you have people who come in and work at your work at Casa condo. I mean I'm trained as you know because I'm a psychotherapist as well so I'm trained as a psychotherapist and I've done a lot of shamanic work over the last 13 years so I kind of weave both in, and I also bring bring people and have have other allies common co-facilitate with me as well. Yeah. And I also now I'm recalling from several years ago. Didn't you you got accepted into the maps program. Is that correct. CIS so yeah, trained with maps as well. So I done. Yeah, I've done. I do. Yeah, I do both. Yeah. I mean, it was great. It was kind of a weird time because it was right after coven, at least for that specific training. But I mean, like, these medicines are just so wonderful. So I loved understanding them from a more clinical lens rather than just a shamanic or experiential lens because I know that they've helped me transform so much as well detox from years of trauma. So it's always wonderful. So I thought it was really amazing but now is putting putting all of that putting my breath in depth of experience and and now just weeding in the shamanic work and then the earth medicine work and the ancestral work I mean now it's just like this playground of just potent powerful awesomeness, but it has everything to do with the people who who gather, you know, the geniuses who gathered together who want to be heart explorers, you know. Oh, that's so nicely said. The geniuses who gather who want to be who are heart explorers, and new caverns, new, new caverns of the heart, you know, like in the 60s it was the, the psycho knots. And for me it's so it's not psycho knots anymore it's it's arrow knots air arrows it's like the heart heart you know we're exploring new caverns of the heart, and it is vast territory. And what do you want to tell us here at the end how can we get a hold of you I know Corinne and I'll spell it for everybody Corinne is C O R I N her last name G R I L L O so Corinne grillo.com. How can people get your book. How can they find out more about you. Yeah, well they can get the book on my website or Amazon local bookstore if you have if you have some around always support our local bookstores. And if you have any questions about anything that I discussed today you can email me at support at Karen grillo.com. And tell me where you're headed. Are you full like complete with your book tour are you in the middle of your book tour where you at with this and when does it sort of wean off. Yeah, I think I mean I'm kind of in the in the weaning stage I'm already kind of dreaming about new new books but I think I actually might go on the road go to different cities. And just kind of do some do some book signings and stuff like that. I'm heading into summer my daughter's just graduating from high school. So I am going to take a little break and then see where spirit inspires me to move next. Amazing. Well, thank you yet again for coming on the show. Thank you for your brilliance and I have just enjoyed so much this time with you. Thank you so much for having me on. It's so good to hang out with you here. Always always and I end today show with this quote. I am the manifestor of unlimited abundance and divine providence incarnate in this life. I am grateful for the abundant life I have awakened in me my spirit of manifesting. I desire to shape my world with abundance. I see the beauty of today and the promise of tomorrow. I am filled with abundant thoughts. I am inspired to bring prosperity and abundance bounty and overflowing love into the world. 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