 Okay, so I actually love it when anybody publishes some kind of you know review of kitty plasma because a you get to see Perspective of a user instead of another developer on how kitty plasma is meant to be used and what its issues are and also because it Allows me to give some insight Hopefully on what's going behind the scenes to fix those issues So let's get started and let's see this video by the linux gust which has done exactly that Is that because Katie has a ton of different, you know settings like they've crammed Thousands of settings into a settings panel They need to make that settings panel easier to navigate for not only new users, but for everyone Okay So the video starts off by saying that we should improve the system settings and who am I to disagree obviously But I have to say I have to give some control criticism I think that some pointers in these cases are extremely extremely. Sorry useful Yes, the system settings could totally be improved, but the question is how actually because When you have so many settings you actually have to sit down there and see what's going wrong What's going right and how to fix that? So in these cases, please give us our your opinion of system settings But try as much as possible to give some practical things that we can take and you know actually Used improve system settings, of course it's not something that we haven't thought about at all and in fact on our git lab There's a thread that has lots and lots of ideas inside of it Which talks about how system setting should be reorganized to, you know, make sure that everything is Understandable and easy to find so it is something that we are currently working on and he is correct in saying that we have worked on a lot in the past years And I agree that it has to get better Please please give us ideas like any idea at this brainstorming stage is something that's gonna be helpful to our developers So feel free to just pitch out anything that you think is going incorrectly with the current system settings Regarding this thing of you know, actually when you add features, then the goalpost is gonna keep moving towards I think lately We've been doing the opposite and that is especially for kitty plasma 6 to sunset options that we don't think are that useful Or well exposed anymore A good example of this is the setting to change the size of the icons in various places such as the panel Because basically nobody was actually Respecting sorry that setting so We just you know removed it there has been a couple of complaints But you know, you can't remove something and everybody is just gonna be happy You do have to make trade-offs sometimes and this trend of removing some unused very old settings is gonna actually help us a lot You know in prophecy some settings because it's gonna move the goalpost backwards towards us So we've we've been kind of doing the opposite of adding features lately But don't worry kitty plasma is still gonna be the most customizable. That's not gonna go away, but You know things that you never use we can just kill them up. Hopefully There is one thing that is not mentioned in this part of system settings And that's fair because it's very behind the scenes But system settings right now is a mix of cutie widgets kind of the old We could call it standard way to do interfaces and the QML which is kind of the new way we could say again of making the interfaces and these two like mixed together and It's a bit of a mess from a techno technological point of view and a lot like certainly a lot of the efforts in the past years We're taking cutie widget stuff and porting them to QML. That's gonna make that prettier That's gonna make them much much easier to maintain and that's gonna make system settings halla as a whole much much better Hopefully by maybe plasma 6 or maybe some liter version the whole system settings is gonna be QML Hopefully I think that's the idea and that's really gonna improve again a lot how system settings feel and is Organized so that there's also that going on behind the scenes the second one that I want to talk about and I don't understand this Honestly Krunner is one of the best features of Katie plasma Katie plasma needs to make Krunner Not better because it's still it's already fantastic. What they need to do is make it front and center Make it discoverable and that's just I mean it's so good But not many people use it unless you're like a diehard Katie fan. I think I mentioned this in My video with the linux experiment as well the thing is Krunner the same exact functionality is that you get with Krunner are also in the application launcher Applet which means that you can just press meta you have the search field and that search field has the same capabilities of Krunner which means to me as kind of a designer and developer ish that When I think of the user that is not going to know Katie plasma at all because maybe it's the first time using Katie plasma I think that they should very nice search functionalities of Katie through the search that is in the application launcher That's the intuitive way Maybe later on they can find out about Krunner and they also can find out that they can use Krunner Even if they beach the application launcher or changing change it for something else Personally, I wouldn't make a big deal out of people not knowing about Krunner initially because they can just search in the application launcher And that's basically the same thing. You have all the same features now. It's possible that in the new KDE welcome page that was released with the last version. Maybe that's in there I haven't actually been able to see that yet. So it's yes in the welcome page There is now a section about Krunner, which tells you how to use it So that has been addressed Fantastic and and it's not even like out of the box. It's like really really good But because it's KDE It has a ton of settings and extensions and plugins or whatever that you can add to it so that you can make it even more powerful Really, I think that a lot of people are using the search functionality in the application launcher So it's not that big of a deal if people don't all know about Krunner in my honest opinion one thing I do agree with with this counter proposal of mine is that our It's awesome that Krunner has all of that options. I totally agree And we don't quite expose that those options In the application launcher if you just click the settings icon that's going to bring up kickoff settings And those do not talk about the search at all So you have to either open Krunner and click the settings button there Or open system settings and go into the search part of it So I agree that the settings are not as well exposed in the application launcher KDE Unlike GNOME has a community surrounding it, right? GNOME hasn't a community and yeah, there's a GNOME community, but they're very tightly knit and don't welcome new users easily Hey, yo, what the GNOME's community don't welcome new users That's not the topic But I gotta say I disagree with that. Maybe it's very subjective I guess depends on how you experience the GNOME community recently, but Whenever I tried out GNOME whenever I talked with the GNOME community that totally exists, obviously They have always been very open and whenever I actually did videos like KDE developer tries GNOME And I even criticized GNOME in some aspects I tried to keep my criticism constructive and people seemed very happy with what I was seeing so I cannot disagree with this experience. I like the GNOME community. I don't know. I just wanted to point that out Sorry, discovered used to be god awful. It was slow The app pages were not good like they didn't they had places for screenshots, but there were no screenshots Half of them didn't have descriptions. It was I mentioned that it was slow But it was like really really really slow that being said it needs to get better still About that about discover not loading. So you can see that discover is actually loading all the applications just fine However, it's currently in this video not being able to load all the plugins So plugins and applications are actually in two very different places I'm not sure what's the api behind applications. I think it's like package kit or something But when you actually search and look for plugins, which is what you're doing right now Then that goes into the kd store, which you can find at store.kd.org And very often sadly the store has some issues. So it's not always You know possible to open it and I guess what's happening is that either you have some connection issues But I don't think that's the case or the store is having some connection issues and that explains why it's not loading There's it's not like it's low. It's not receiving any data from the store And it is totally true that discover should expose that in a nicer way Probably if you go into the get hot new staff application Which is the one you actually get when you try to start something from six from system settings Then it's gonna tell you what the error is. I guess discover should do the same Totally agree with that should be improved Is that did you know that if you go into discover you can find a lot of the kd stuff there and by kd stuff I mean themes. I mean, uh widgets and stuff like that Different cursors and all that stuff which way of getting that stuff is better. I can't argue You know, I always use the separate one, but discover has all that stuff too I wish that they made that more apparent promoted it just a little bit, you know Because it's really cool that you can go into discover and say hey, I'd really like a new clock widget Show me all your clock widgets and it it shows you the clock widgets. You know, that's really cool I'm not sure I agree with the fact that it's not very well exposed that discover can install plugins for plasma It's one of the three main items in the sidebar as soon as you open discover It's true that we don't tell users about that beforehand like in the welcome application However, I don't think there's really any reason to especially because The best way in my opinion still to install stuff is when you go into system settings Which is where you want to customize kd plasma and then you just see the button get more themes and you click on that. So Uh, I think it's nicely exposed when you open discover and there's not really an a reason to Expose it even further even if you don't open discover so Canada disagree there It's totally true that discover could improve its search and in general discover used to be really bad I totally agree with you here Discover was bad, but there has been a lot of work like there has been at least one redesign for each Six months from the past four years. I don't know that kept improving and improving how it works and how it looks Nowadays, I think it's really good. It's that of course that you found out the bug that Doesn't allow to load stuff from the store sometimes, I guess I can understand the idea that it should improve search as an as an example as you said could could improve I'm not sure what else like i'm gonna say here again Regarding this I would ask for some more specific feedback about what's wrong. What could be improved Because it felt a bit general and I didn't quite understand what you were proposing to you know change So it's not like there's no improvement You could totally improve discover. Um, I just didn't quite understand what things of discover currently unknown you I didn't always believe this, but I think that kd should become less windows like It makes it harder for people to Think that they're using something different when it looks so much the same So I would like to see plasma to be a little bit less like windows just out of the box Maybe use your floating panel so that it looks a little bit different And it doesn't have to be completely different. Okay, kd is too much like windows and you said that You said that we should use the floating panel by default Right now we cannot use the floating panel by default because it has some issues technological issues behind it But luckily enough there's a merge request that fixes those issues. So who knows It's kind of hard to you know, actually go to other developers and say, okay I want the floating panel because I did the floating panel. So hey, I want the floating panel to be enabled by default And they are like, okay Does it improve like accessibility or and like no, it's just you know, I can do it like, okay Yeah, sure I I literally don't have any reason to enable the floating panel except, you know, it's I can do so We might as well do it But but yeah, I totally agree regarding that, you know, it's too similar to windows I'm not sure if I agree. I can understand the criticism Especially towards like windows 10 especially because they switched to a light theme and We already had a light theme. So it's kind of the opposite, but I get that windows 11 though I do feel like it's significantly different. They use like centered icons A very different application launcher and even the look and feel with all the rounded stuff I feel like it's significantly Significantly different and yes, although I guess we could walk away a bit from the windows look It's not the windows look. It's how Most like the vast majority of computers have worked except for like gnome and macintosh You always had like a bottom taskbar And then application launcher and then windows with a title bar on top with the clothes Like that's the generally of a desktop and I guess you could do things like enable floating panels to Try to distinguish yourself a bit from a design point of view But I feel like with windows 11 It's different enough that this is not so important anymore But I guess this is extremely subjective However to kd developers I want to do this because it's either too similar to windows or Too different from windows. These kind of things are never good reasons to do anything Like if you want to do a change in kd plasma It has to be for kd plasma if the reasoning is let's try to do things more like windows or like less like windows That's not going to get accepted. You're going to have other reasons to do things Shortcuts in kd plasma could be easier to find And they do have a section in the top level menu of the settings panel called shortcuts But once you get into there you get into the weeds and that's because the Shortcuts are all over the place like for example Close window is in at least three different places and finding them in the first place can be a little bit difficult because you have to I mean calling kwin kwin for new users is a little bit confusing If you're a brand new user to plasma Maybe not even to linux, but just to plasma You have to know what kwin is in order to know that a lot of the shortcuts that you probably want in order to Manipulate where your windows are, you know how to close windows how to move them around All that stuff is under the kwin's category But if you don't know what kwin is how are you supposed to know that's where this was stuff Where the stuff is that you're looking for right shortcuts Yeah, I 100% agree that we shouldn't expose the term kwin to users It should at least probably be a window management But seeing just the amount of options in that category I totally agree with that. Yeah 100% agree That should be changed So I will drill the discussion here a little bit just to talk because I kind of mentioned this But I do want to point out that a feature that I would love like I would totally want in kedi plasma is that Like when you hold a key, you're able to see the shortcuts in a pop-up with that key So if you press meta and you hold meta you see a pop-up with all the shortcuts with meta I think unity did this And it was just awesome So I would totally want to have something like that and it would improve, you know This probability for shortcuts so much. So, you know I just wanted to add another feature request for kedi So yeah regarding this whole piece. I have nothing to say I don't quite have any like insight about shortcuts in particular, but I don't disagree with anything that hasn't been said. It's true that things could be better Exposed to the users right now. There's very much. I think of shortcuts are Exposed as they are registered by applications under the application name even if it's like kwin Which shouldn't be exposed to the user that could and probably should change so Nothing to say there. Okay, so I hope that I managed to not sound too I totally disagree with what you say But I was actually trying to give some insight on what we are doing to Work on these things. I really liked that it was some significantly more actionable criticism Compared to what I get other times which is like Kedi is buggy Yeah I know that That's not very actionable. What am I going to do with that? Yes, we should totally fix bugs We are already doing that But being able to go forward and Put together some more precise criticism is very much appreciated. So Thanks, and I hope you got something useful out of the video No