 Would you show forth with me next week next week? The most important is to be aware of your boss's choice of situations. You are something that absolutely everything is different, keeping in image both your health and your future. because like I said I am a huge fan so I probably most likely didn't see three of them and I can remember when we used to work in a beta switch and then you tweeted about the Google summer of dogs and your work there so maybe you could probably share basically what you do and how the journey has been for you to the open source. Okay so I didn't know I was supposed to like give this talk but it's cool. Yeah actually yeah actually it's basically just a chat you know just yeah it is a chat. Cool cool cool that makes sense. Okay so my name is it did domestic work like you rightly said I currently work as a developer advocate at HatchNone which is a blogging platform for developers who want to like get into technical writing or sharing content with developer community so about my open source journey I would say I definitely learned about like open source and like open source contributions from Samsung sometime in either 2018 or 2019 I can't really remember I think it's 2018 yes so I he definitely to talk a lot about open source at the time and why it was important to contribute and I mean just pretty much creating an awareness around it so I sent him a deal I was like hey can you tell me a bit about this so that's why he introduced me to Google summer of code at the time there was nothing like Google season of dogs and I was still in the university at the time so that would be cool let me just try out this stuff and I tried to apply for Google summer of code and how Google summer of code works is you have to condition first before you can apply right so I never had any prior experience to like contributing but I need that you know for me to submit an application I had to like make that contribution so I looked at the different organizations to be the one that I was interested at the time I was doing Android development at the time right I was taking some Android development so I saw this organization called open beta kids and he was involved in like trying to create forms for environments that did not really have like a lot of people they were not really I mean like environments that are trying to develop pretty much and just like an interesting project so I decided to check it out and luckily for me they also had like new first projects for beginners and stuff like that so I clicked on one of those projects I think thinking about it now and I probably chosen another pull request to work on but anyways I picked up a regex a regex issue and regex is like actually difficult to think about but at the time I was like okay it's regex and I can do it it didn't really look so difficult like truth be told but I ended up spending like over two weeks just working on that on that solution before I finally got got met but when they got met I was just excited that I mean like something I made or like a feature and change would be used by the thousands of people who are really using that platform or exciting for me like I remember when I got a notification from github that your pull request has been met I was like yeah are you serious yeah so it was so so amazing for me that like I couldn't even believe it and from what I read about it was already in use by the thousands of people across the world so I'm like okay so someone who comes to this app now and like try to type something or use it and like literally use something I contributed to so like that excitement exactly and and then you just keep checking you know after making that contribution you just keep checking on your future you know once once you actually you know yeah exactly so yeah it was like absolutely fantastic so but anyway I didn't get accepted into google summer code but I was like excited that I was able to take my first contribution and also learn how to write an application because that was something I'd never done and like I said I was still in school so yeah after I graduated from school then I kept on contributing to the course I started diving into more about the technical writing and like helping with community as a real example because of the APNs and stuff and I would say working on that was like the thing got me my my format of interest right because I was able to share experience or of being able to like work on a project right and this is someone who didn't have experience in an actual job like that was like my first job but because I worked on a real life project right which is open source I was still able to gather an opportunity so for me and several of us is you know you know literally companies don't really like and point people that don't know anything yet I mean you can be building websites and doing all sorts of stuff but want to employ someone that has actually worked in like a company or maybe somewhere right so because I was able to make those contributions to Wikipedia I was like able to share that experience and at the time the company was also looking for someone to work on their APIs and like improve it and stuff so it got me that job opportunity yeah so that's like another interesting thing about open source then yeah I got accepted into Google Season of Dogs which is more focused on like bringing technical rights as an open source organization to like improve it and then work for three months and Google to like pay you for making those contributions yes I think open source has definitely helped my career in diverse ways from like giving me access to meet amazing people to make in my first contribution in a real life project to more opportunities for like job roles and tons of that stuff so I think it's like ecosystem to participate in I think contributing is absolutely important so if you've not contributed yet I think you should definitely give it a try yeah yeah exactly like like I told the story I mean I think you know the most important part was basically where you mentioned that you know if companies basically it's very hard for companies to hire anyone that has zero experience and I that's what gives you a starting point you know like when I was in the community and Grafana and Grafana Labs and I was I was I was expected to have a presentation on this and I was thinking of what project am I going to present now this is the this small HTML and CSS site I built you know in like two years ago you know something like that you know so I needed to present something that could actually interest them and you know give them you know actually be excited so and of course I've done some open source contributions to channels I was like yes this is it this is the project so I took I took some time to work on my slides you know I made sure that I contributed the values I was like giving out and yeah because because it's open source and because it has you know users behind this project it was easier for me to get value because yes I built this and then I know that it's actually helping out these results you know so so yeah I think that's like one of the first parts of the contribution to open source projects yeah some people might argue that it's hard it's tough and a lot of mistakes but just start small find the reasons you can contribute and yeah you can work from there yeah thanks a lot for actually sharing that and I'm sorry I'm actually digressing a little bit but I want to I want to maybe touch more on the oscar event so I don't know if you attended my talk or basically I made a huge reference to the oscar first of all so yeah I was at the first of all then of course you know I came with my friends from you know and you know I was really really interested in everything that was happening and so my greatest surprise I was wowed by you know the experiences like because I saw and I think the best anywhere prospect is anywhere possible I owe you two points of bear like thank God it's just so good like you know I think the first part for me at the conference was when you know you did the presentation on tiny yeah I was I mean like I was just I think that was basically the turning point on you know that was when I was converted to you know yeah that's a point to get amazing I mean it's amazing at some point even up to now once once I just go back and just you know watch it to get his fire that so so yeah maybe you could just touch a little bit on oscar because I know you are also part of oscar the open source community african you could talk a little bit about oscar and you know how people can get involved with oscar how people can join the oscar community yeah sure so like the oscar was created pretty much to try to expose more africans like open source like I mentioned I literally didn't know any single thing about it until I hooked up with samson's but there he was like I think facebook at the time to see his posts now and about it so there are still thousands of africans right i still don't know anything about open source contributions open source in general and there are so many opportunities they can get from this thing right so the fact that people don't know it would limit them from that opportunity so the essence behind oscar is to try to sensitize more people about open source right let them know that hey this stuff exists you could you must not necessarily be a contributor it could also be a builder it could be like a maintainer it could be the one who builds the open source project right so trying to create more people who are like comfortable with sharing their source code I feel like Africa is a place where everybody is like hey you have to do this on your own you have to be like the best it was not shared and stuff like that so try to create that like experience or that environment where people feel very comfortable like me being open with like your code base documentation like just trying to create that experience for people and we mean at the time we will try to work on like oscar first with sort of how do we make it more like something that maybe when you come like you said like you already said you were inspired to go back to make an open source contribution because right so we have called with like really awesome keynote speakers and then open like a CFP where we got people into the the program as well so it definitely took a lot a lot of planning I think we've started planning like months before it happened because we also had to like create that way for people to register I mean because if you finish doing everything nobody comes for the event it's almost like okay nothing happened right so yeah we had to create like a lot of awareness for the event and try to bring like a lot of companies from the US involved because I feel like everybody knows that Africa is like the next best thing there are so many talented people in Africa so every company wants to get involved with the ecosystem and see how they can like impact it or maybe try to do stuff to make it better right so we try to get all those companies involved as well and see what we could do pretty much and I mean I think in in summary I would say it it actually turned out turned out really great we've definitely seen a lot more Africans applied to like Google Summer of Core, Google Season of Doors, Outreachie like I think last last the number of Africans we had last year in Google Summer Google Season of Doors like Outreachie was like never seen before the number of people that got accepted right usually you won Nigeria and or maybe won something from Cameroon but now you had like over like five to ten people who were like accepted and these are like impacts from that event impact from sharing like let's both know that you could have access to something opportunities from contributing to open source or hosting or like building your own open source project in general so I think I think it was cool yeah yeah I mean I couldn't agree more honestly because I mean like that event was my highlight for 2020 and I mean I can't wait for Oscar first but I don't I wouldn't say but next event next Oscar event yeah um yeah so we have called the call already yes hello everyone so sorry I'm late I got my second shot of the vaccine yesterday and so I just slept like the dead sorry I mean it happens it happens cool thank you thank you very much for the I mean I know it's super early for you but we are very great about you I would join the call so for everyone thank you very much for staying with us up till now we started like I think we've been streaming for the past seven hours so and quite a lot of people have stayed with us till this moment so Priyanka is the general manager of CNCF she was my former boss before CNCF still have promised at GitLab yeah so I will hand it over to Edidiong and Priyanka this session is an AMA session where Edidiong will be moderating so if you have any questions please ask in chat or in the live stream if you are streaming the on youtube so that I can pass it on over to Edidiong how you guys send me the questions you send it to me via the via chat yeah okay okay awesome all right okay you can go ahead and start um hi everyone thank you for joining this AMA session with the amazing Priyanka Priyanka currently serves as uh sorry did I pronounce your name correctly she definitely confirmed that yes you did thank you I know because people really pronounce my name well so I definitely make I try to make sure that I pronounce the name of the speaker correctly all right that's good to know all right cool so Priyanka currently serves as the general manager for the cloud native company she has been involved in this ecosystem for over six years so she definitely has like a lot of experience about this she's also worked for amazing companies in GitLab and Google in the past and aside from actively participating in participating and contributing in the open source ecosystem Priyanka also advises startups that which is an accelerator for developer products to be honest she is amazing and I believe that we're going to learn a lot from a lot of experience that she's going to share today thank you once again for agreeing to join the session Priyanka thank you so much for having me cool so um to the first question I've definitely seen that you've like achieved a lot in your career I mean even reaching the point where you're now the general manager for cnc if that's like a very big deal so can you talk a bit about your tech journey how you got into tech and like the experience so far and what you're currently doing now sure happy to so tech journey you know so I've always worked in technology I uh I was born and brought up in India and I came to Stanford University in the US for undergrad I came on a scholarship at that time I was not familiar at all with the more technical subjects etc I mean I've taken sciences and computer science but when I came to college I got involved with this freshman year program called structured liberal education where they taught you the history of human thought from the past like yes since the beginning of literate times so I learned a lot about Buddhism I learned a lot about hinduism a lot about like Plato Aristotle all the modern philosophers and that was a completely different world than technology right yeah and then you know when I graduated though like I was I applied everywhere as all undergraduate students should so if there's anyone listening that's my advice apply everywhere and the job that was the best one that worked out for me was at google and uh I accepted the role and I started working there I was in partnerships at adsense but you know from that first year it very quickly became apparent that the type of work that I gravitated towards was always with engineers with product managers and I helped launch some internal products and actually got an offer to join the edge team with the goal to like go on down the product path at that time I had a lot of what we just say like start-up ambitions and so instead of that I ended up joining a startup which got acquired pretty soon but I learned a lot about how small teams scrappy teams operate then I met my but at this point you you have to know like I was in tech but I wasn't working on developer tools or anything like that then I actually ended up working on a startup of my own and there one of the yeah thank you well it didn't feel so amazing back there it was really intense but one of the things that we developed the one that was most successful was like time tracking applications for developers and that's when I really started working you know with open source communities because we wanted to popularize our product and like you know other people encourage other people to contribute and there was an immediate click and so I that then slowly I ended up working at a company called light step I was the first business hire and that's where I actually became an open source contributor to a project called open tracing and it's at light step that I learned everything about distributed systems how microservices were what are containers what are the problems in the space and open tracing was a spec for basically how to instrument your system to get tracing data out of it since then open telemetry has risen and that's the new version and it's in cncf as well just like open tracing was it was through open tracing that I got to know cncf we were the third project to join and from the very beginning the community just welcomed me it's been an exceptionally welcoming community and I just did everything I could to promote our project and got involved in lots of things built a lot of relationships and friendships then I went to work at GitLab where I had actually known the founder since my own startup days and I built the developer evangelism team there that's where I had the honor of working with Abubakar and then that's where I actually got elected to serve on the cncf board and that was a really eye-opening experience because the community is wide and massive and so warm but the board is where you see okay all the real work that goes into into like nurturing this world and then eventually Jim Zemlin who leads linux foundation he tapped me on the shoulder and said hey you should come run this foundation at first I was like oh you're kidding but then we had some real conversations and I'd already like worked so much with Dan Kahn and Chris and his check and had such deep respect for them that when the opportunity presented itself I was really honored I accepted the job by the way I accepted the job pre-pandemic and it started in post pandemic so a lot has changed yeah a lot has definitely changed here I am that's kind of my dream I hope it wasn't too boring no it wasn't it's absolutely fantastic and I loved that like I mean you it wasn't just hey just woke up and you became like cncf general manager you had to follow different processes right for you absolutely you were like good enough for that position so that's a really interesting journey I think also speaks to the fact that nothing just happens immediately it takes it takes in work and like being open to connecting with people right just like I was on mention and said hey I think you should run this foundation and the reason why that happened because you were like open to like connecting like sharing the knowledge you have so people knew that you were good enough for that opportunity well you are right if the power of people should never be missing miss should never be how do you say that sorry it's already very only what is the word yeah you should know is it underrated or can we use underrated yeah exactly exactly because you know even in our actually especially in our world of technology and infrastructure and open source it's the relationships that matter and the beauty of our community is that the relationships are more open like you can approach anyone you can have that conversation I think in the more like traditional environments it's not the case because there are so many barriers to get to the people who make decisions that's not the case here so people should really value that and reach out make friends help people out because they will help them in the future yeah I totally agree to that plus plus one there is this cool platform that plays like soundtracks just a second to find it because what you just said deserves a club yeah so let me just do it do you hear the club I did it do it again let me try to do it again did you hear it no no sorry you had phones on but I was I wish you right you would have been really laughing about it all right cool thank you so much for answering that question you definitely gave a lot of insights to your journey so looking at the CNC landscape it's quite I mean some would say it's quite overwhelming so it suggests like a good path for someone to follow if they're interested in the cloud native community or once they're more involved in the cloud ecosystem absolutely I think the CNCF landscape is exactly that a landscape so it's supposed to show you everything right and that's why it's so busy but what you will see in the landscape is that there are categories right like there is a cacd I think and then there is like security there's platforms so I see the landscape as useful one as a first glance for people to understand like oh there is a lot going on here that's great yeah second it's useful when you know what you're looking for so if you're looking for a security solution if you're looking for some serverless insights then it's super useful but middle ground between knowing this is a vast ecosystem and you know and knowing exactly where to look is the more where to start question for that I would recommend that people actually actually my opinion is that the kube cloud native cons are the best way to get started so these are landscape events they happen three times a year once in well in the real world that you used to always be us and then Asia pack and now of course everything is virtual but that's a good thing because anybody can join without the hassle of travel so kube cloud native con you is actually happening next week and I encourage anyone and everyone to attend if you if you're a student you can reach out and get a student code so happy to help with that just so you know like because of this need for beginner content beginner understanding we have a 101 track we also have started a business value track this time some track which is just like three four talks for people who like literally like definitions in cloud native how to sell a course to your boss those kinds of like you know really fundamental things so every time there's something that kube cons and also you meet a ton of people you play games you have fun I'm doing happy hours people join all the time so that's a good way to get like an intro into the community I think events that we have restarted like KCD KCD Africa which is happening right now are also a great option so I would say go to where the people are to get started once you have built a little bit of knowledge then you start going into the landscape to pick specific technologies that you may need I would actually say there is an edX course on kube daddy fundamental that might be a really good one to look at too all right also I'm presuming you don't mind can you share like the link here like in the chat so that we could send so they can easily access it yes I'm looking right now also it's good to know that the CSF is creating big enough friendly content and making you much more welcoming for people who want to join the foundation and ecosystem so that's fantastic to hear thanks for sharing absolutely yeah there's this popular myth that about they believe that open source contributions is only for software engineers do you believe that's true based on your answer what what are your thoughts on this on this myth sorry sorry you said people's people say that open source is only for engineers what yeah yeah like people be that if so for instance I'm a designer I'll be like no I don't I can't where would I possibly find like anything design related to do in the open source ecosystem so it needs to be a bit more to the opportunities that other people can assess regardless of being software engineer absolutely I mean think about this today we are the fastest growing community in open source why is that happening because so many for-profit companies have built products and offerings based on our open source projects and so the need for all types of professionals whether it's a designer whether it's a tech docs writer whether it's a marketer events producer everything is like so needed right so first is that in the ecosystem that's created by cloud native technologies there are companies and just like any company they need all kinds of skill sets and you should totally apply because it's a hot industry the second piece is the open source projects directing when you think of the open source projects I agree that there's been this myth or I would say just assumption that that open source is for and by developers that's absolutely how it started yes because they are contributing code but the reality is now open source much more sophisticated it's used it's so much more mainstream we need documentation for those projects we need websites for those projects so we need design work so there's and then we need to like CNCF is full of staff that works on you know doing events doing marketing doing all of that for open source projects so for each and every one of you there is a place in the open source community definitely the cloud native community so definitely consider joining us thank you I think the last thing we said is like should be the highlight of this event there is like space for everyone in the CNCF like whatever it is you're doing a technical writer you could contribute to the website or the documentation are you a designer you contribute to the designs make it more accessible or more user-friendly whatever it is you're doing there's like something you could actually contribute to absolutely and I wanted to mention one thing which is mentorships something the CNCF like pays a lot of attention to is you know again uplifting as many people as we can and helping them in their careers so one of the things we do is called LFX mentorships which is that in the summer people well the northern hemisphere summer people can apply to to do and a mentorship with our open source projects and they actually type in for it and they are paired with the projects to then work on different things you would assume that it's all about just again coding right but no like I heard of someone who's actually I just saw a video of this lady who is doing user research as her mentorship like experience and so a big one to look at I'm gonna here's the general I'm trying to find the right link for you yeah but I would like to share that because it may be useful to some people over here um so where is it sorry um there is the mentorships about well I'm in the Linux foundation I said no that's not where I'm trying to go okay there we go mentorship cool 2020 okay spring oh actually it turns out we have terms it's sorry I misspoke we have terms so spring term is March to May and so here's the link you can share it with anyone once again yes not lost in the windows tabs okay here you go and this should help like you can definitely put this out there for anyone who wants to apply to be a mentor anywhere please go ahead um there are lots of options out there awesome thanks for sharing we're going to share that in the general chart so they can easily assess it are cool cool so there is this um I remember this time I was having a competition with like a group of people in the ecosystem and I think it was about how G gets like gets opportunities right and someone mentioned that contributing to open source can be one of those ways you could level up so that when you apply for a job they could see that you have some level of experience working with a real life project right but then some people they agree with this they're like no you can't see contributing to open source can help in any way so what are your thoughts on that do you think contributing to open source can level up someone's career or not absolutely my whole career is built on open source exactly yes um I would say you know the big reason that is the case especially now is not only are you building your skills when you're contributing but also as I mentioned like especially in the cloud native ecosystem a lot of innovation that for-profit companies are doing is based upon open core software and so there is so many opportunities to be part of something that is going to be valuable to a company that you're naturally improving your career chances I think because of that it's also become like maybe it's become a little intimidating to join projects in let's say CNC up because it's like all these experts are part of it now yeah and because you know like companies are paying people to be 100% working on open source and so in that world I think it's really important to like you know do the mentorship attend the event develop your knowledge and then just start there is especially for Kubernetes which is our flagship project we have this like you know contributor experience and like they try to offer new contributors so you have a lot of help you should absolutely go and do it because you will be noticed by all these people who are in the community they all work places they are always hiring they'll reach out to you you can even ask them that hey I'm looking exactly so it's the way to go for sure it's the new version of networking you know how networking used to be the thing yeah because yeah because when you when you think it's way to contribute open source projects chances are that project or organization they are like people from different places all over the world there right so by contributing you're already making like yourself known to those people right so you're already building relationships and this will might help you get like your next job or maybe help me review your article they're like so many opportunities so many things you could assess from just contributing to such open source organizations so yeah I'm definitely on the side that open source can help you level up your career absolutely it's like a must do especially in this industry I agree I agree so what would you say I like some of the skills required scale like cloud ecosystem or like cloud in general uh what are the skills that are required to to scale like if someone wanted to we start doing some things because like what I think you need to know in that aspect of your first job or you also do things about scale and like yeah in the ecosystem okay okay got it because when you said scale I was like because you know scale has so much technical meaning and like how did they scale their productions yeah that's that is like it's very broad so you couldn't mean anything yeah so it makes sense to clarify no no no worries so okay so what are the things people might need for their first job I would say every first job is different if we are talking about the what in general I think what's only gonna help is be familiar with the definitions in cloud native and be familiar with you know the key projects maybe look at all the graduate projects and cncf actually you can use the landscape for this thing you can filter to look at projects let me drop the links of that here that's a good idea yeah so be familiar with these things and then be an I think being an active participant in the community and looking at like the technical problems that are interesting to you is a really good start because then you'll seek out jobs like that and when you get into that job you'll know more and you'll be able to be successful very quickly yeah that that's that's that's fantastic to be honest it's actually great all right cool so we have like some organizations like for instance she could Africa which recently started like a place where tried to bring in more women into like the cloud ecosystem right so do they do the cncf have something like that something focused on like maybe women trying to promote more women to join the organization or maybe learn more about trying to make it more inclusive or diverse for people absolutely so actually the mentorships I mentioned we try our level best to you know it's like like a diversity scholar it's like diversity is a number one criteria and how we like people and that's gender demographic that's all kinds of things right um that's a factor besides that what we do in our flagship kipkon cloud native cons is we ensure that we how do I say we have like as many like female speakers as possible in their keynote pages we tend to like do better than the regular talks but we're working on it but I think like the number one is our life and we also provide scholarships to kipkon events especially in person that's absolutely yeah and they are diversity and need base so those are awesome things happening in general you know I think there's many places that you'll hear of programs and this and that and we of course we have those but it is my personal view that it's like you know you have to be committed to diversity and do something every day like it's a bit by bit like you move the mountain and that means the person you talk to every time you come across someone who may be uh talented and interested in our space then it's about going out of our way to make sure we share opportunities with them we offer ourselves as mentors we offer ourselves like hey reach out to me if you ever looking for a job I'll try to help you and that means at least the cnc of staff do like every day of our lives so and like we keep an open door so for example my twitter dms are open anyone can reach out please feel free the cnc of slack anyone can join that and learn and like reach out ask questions so there is this open door policy that there is this open door policy that helps us help anyone who needs something and we have a big focus on diversity and inclusion and that's through our programs and through our one-on-one efforts that's fun it's really good to know that there's something you said about being intentional about doing this it's not just something you just do one initiative like boom we fix diversity it's like doing it consistently yeah because it's not it's not something that it's going to happen overnight right it's something that has to be done consistently and with patience to make it a lot more inclusive for people but it's really good to hear that the meditation is working in that direction and trying to make inclusivity and making okay and better for everybody to feel involved I feel like part of the community yeah and we also like try to set the example with the staff demographics like we are very diverse we are there's so many women there's so many different countries represented I have team members from Ukraine from Berlin it's a Germany US all kinds of there's someone in Bali there's like oh there's there's also just you know in in our a lot of our efforts like the center around mentorships scholarships to kubekan and also the programming at kubekan so you'll see in kubekans that there are specific specific de and i initiatives like there's mentorship sessions there is like networking career help and just like like learning from each other so there's a lot over there that happens to encourage anyone and everyone to make progress yeah that's absolutely fun it's very good to hear to hear that to be honest so what would you say is like the next steps for cncf right you guys are already doing amazing things what are like what are we looking to do in the future for the community in general and trying to make the foundation a lot more better yeah I mean that is actually the main thing that I think about all the time is like how are we you know actually keeping pace with our very vibrant community that keeps on happening so some of the programs that are fun like well one is this kcd is you folks are one of our flagship ones for kcd you did a great job organizing and we have now have kcds can be virtual so they're one like we have one in every continent except for Antarctica and soon they'll be back in person the other is there's a launch happening soon of cloud native tv which is awesome yeah it's our twitch tv channel so you can just go to cloud native dot tv and you'll go to the twitch page and june 7th is when they're going to launch and have like shows and it's going to be that's actually also going to be a really good amount of beginner content there's a lot of like hundreds of projects 101 lots of there's also a show around specifically looking at de and i contributors whether they're women of color and how they are how they have been successful so that's coming and i hope there is to encourage and excite a broader audience so there are lots of programs a sister event a sister effort that we have launched is inclusive naming initiative and that is something that i've been working on which is based on the kubernetes projects efforts to remove racially problematic language from software yeah so we want to remove master's slave we want to remove white list blacklist because such things should have no place in our code bases and i and i actually that's what we call it has gotten a lot of attention we actually got a new york times article recently and it's all based on the work we did at the in the kubernetes project to do this and lots of companies are participating if anyone here has is working at a company that would like to make their code base you know not not be racially problematic terminology they should consider looking at it i'm gonna find the article and share with you sure but yes it's like lots of good stuff is happening and i also one more thing though we in the staff we can think of certain number of ideas we can think of certain number of uh plans but really the community is what we want to leverage so if anyone has a good idea that they want to share of like hey this can be useful to people definitely bring it up and we will work with you to see if it's like you know doable and if it is we'll definitely do it so what channels can you bring up these ideas is it like through the slack channel or do you have like a dedicated place where number of the communities can like share ideas or a future request or something that's actually a really good idea we don't have like sure yeah we work on that because we right now it's like ad hoc like send me a DM send someone a slack message um so that is right now but i think actually we should build out like any suggestions for us kind of thing so yeah i think it'll be a lot more easier to manage because they are telling me to different people it might get lost in there but they have a place where everybody knows that this is where you can like drop suggestions and if people pick up any other social you can just like see if you hear we're currently working on this or something think it's going to be great that's a really good idea we'll do all right fantastic all right thank you so so much for answering all the questions you've definitely given me a lot of insights about cf in general open source contributions on your journey i definitely learned a lot and i believe that people who participate in this AMA also learned a lot as well so thank you so so much for joining and it's about any of us there so i mean the fact that you still decided to join and this term means a lot so thank you so much thank you so much for having me you are such a great interviewer and i hope i see you around more in the cloud native community sure all right take care of yourself bye bye bye everyone