 Okay, we're ready. Today is May 10. This is meeting of the disability access advisory committee beginning at 1130 a.m. And I believe that everyone on the committee is here. We could do a roll call Tory. Oh, I wanted to make sure I was unmuted. I'm here. Yeah. Okay. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Marty. Ruth. Here. Elise. I'm here. And me, I'm here. And we are still officially down one member, which we have been for almost nine months now. And I'm hopeful that we will have somebody else. Appointed to this committee. At some point, but it doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. But it hasn't been a priority. So. Do we have, is Pat Dangelis here? No, she's not yet. Okay. All right. Let's see. Does anyone have any announcements? Nope. Nope. I'm related to the committee. It's my husband's birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Thank you. I was just saying tomorrow is my granddaughter's birthday and she has COVID. So she doesn't do anything. Okay. So I haven't, I do have sort of an update. I did participate in the library. Session last open house. The open house on Sunday. And we had quite a few people come through. It was a really busy. It was a really busy day. And our table for universal design was down in the basement. Sort of out of the way, but several people found us. And had some really good input. So. It looks pretty good. What kind of. Input where you're getting from people. We had some interesting input. We had. Input from several people who have sensory issues. We had a discussion about lighting. About having sort of quiet space. Also dealing with PTSD. The request for sort of a nook where you could sit. Looking out so no one can come behind you. That was most of it. I spent a lot of time. Talking about. How the entrances were going to work. And we had a lot of sort of teaching about. The. Plan as it is now. If you don't know the plan is. They're going to take out the, the 1990s edition. And they're going to not have a side entrance as the main entrance. They're going to grade the lawn up to the front entrance. So. It's a half a circle. Walkway coming from either. Corners of the lot. On Amity street. And so it'll just gradually come up. And then if you're coming directly across from the parking lot. There will be. Which parking lot. The parking lot. Yeah. So if you come straight up, like you do now. To the front main front entrance. That will have some stairs there because they have to overcome the. Couple of foot differential. But at the, at the, the stairs will be at the street rather than at the entrance. No, actually the stairs will be in the middle of that walkway as it's designed right now because they're going to have to grade the parking lot. But there won't be a ramp anywhere, which is nice. And then on the lower level, there will be a rear main entrance coming from the CVS parking lot, which will be fully accessible. And. That will have the. Auditorium, the community room. And it will be able to close it off from the rest of the building. But you'll be able to come. Through the community room. To a sort of foyer. That has accessible restrooms. So they can actually use this after hours when the library is closed. So. It looks really good. I mean, I'm, I'm pretty impressed with it. Are you, are you working on it? Or did you just. Get involved for this? I mean, are you. Are you one of the people who's on the committee? Well, you're not. No, I'm not on the committee, but I've been asked to. Do a couple of things. One is review the parking lot. When they get farther along. And I'll be looking at. You know, all the architectural things, because that's what I do. And I've been asked to come in at times to, to help them, especially working with the community. Marty, are they going to have auditory enhancing devices? They haven't gotten to that point. No, I'm not on the committee, but I've been asked to. Do a couple of things. One is review the plans when they get to that point, but I'm sure they will. Okay. Yeah. Cause some people. I'm sure the community room will have that. Right. Marty. When you enter from the CVS, the lower level, will they have elevators that will take you up to the library level? Oh yeah. Yeah. There'll be full. There'll be a, you know, right now they only have once. Well, they have two elevators. And they're hard. The one in the back is really hard to find, but there will be a main elevator and there will. They're also keeping the one in the old building. So yes. So the question is the story. I have a question. So the only accessible entrance is going to be from the CVS parking room. No, the front, the main front door will be fully accessible. But what's there that you said, there's no, there won't be stairs. They're taking the steps out and they're taking this round. Yeah. One at a time. So let's have Marty respond to Tori's question. Try and explain this again. Cause I don't have a graphic that would be easy to show you. So. They're taking the steps at the front entrance. But they're going to grade. The landscape up to that entrance. So there will be two walkways that are fully accessible. And then the straight walkway that goes to Amity street from the door to Amity street has to have steps in it. Because. There's, it's just too steep. Yeah. So. Hearing you correctly, they'll, for the front entrance along Amity, there'll be two ways to enter the building one via. A walkway with steps and one with a walkway that is. Doesn't require steps. Yeah, there's two walkways that don't require. Oh, okay. It's a circle. It's a half a circle. Going from that. Lot corners on Amity street. Okay. Okay. Are they keeping the. Drive way. With the. Few. Handicap parking spaces on the side. I believe they are. That hasn't been fully developed yet, but I think so. They're not messing with that driveway. Okay. They're just getting rid of that ramp. What happens to do. The ramp right now, which takes you through the side door. That's going away. Because the code requires that all entrances. And exits be accessible. And so there's only going to be two entrances and exits. One in the back and one in the front. Okay. So nobody will go in through the side. Okay. So connect it to Tori's question. If they're going to keep the driveway. With the accessible spaces, but they're going to do away with the door. That's there. How are people going to use those accessible spaces. To get to the front door. You go to Amity street and then take the. You go down the driveway to the place where the circular driveway starts. Yes. Okay. So the distance is going to be much. Longer as compared to what it is right now. I don't think so. Quite long. Yeah. Because to get on the ramp, you have to do that. Yeah. To get onto the ramp, you have to go to Amity street and then go. Okay. Okay. Okay. This is, this is still in schematics. It's not. I, this isn't set in stone yet. And it won't be probably for another year. We've got a lot of design to go through. So, but right now that's the plan. Subject to change, obviously. So that's a cool solution. Is the historical commission or whatever it is. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But the law says you have to have going to allow that change to the entrance. Yes. Yes. It's, it's really not impacting anything. And they're going to have to replace the entrance door. Because the entrance door is way too heavy. Very heavy. And so, and. It needs to be replaced. It's in really tough shape. The automatic door is terrible. Yeah. It goes, it punches in and I mean, it, it swings out. Well, that's what it's supposed to do. It has to swing out. I know, but there's no room to walk in really. Yeah, they're going to, they're going to fiddle with that. Yeah, I think it'll be much nicer and it will work. That'd be great. The architect that they've got is very, very good. Fine gold Alexander. He's been working for a long time. And he's been working for a long time. And he's been working for a long time. And he's been working for a long time. Has been involved in the state house for the last probably 15 years, and they've done some really nice work. So. Some of their work. Are they going to have an electric. Thing that you can press to get into the main door. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. The main doors will be. Have openers on them. Right. Yeah. It's going to be very heavy, very heavy. So in the interest of time, and this isn't an agenda item, but it should be periodically. Over the next time. So Marty, can you sort of. Keep us surprised of when you think we should be discussing something that's coming up that you've been made aware of. It's probably early. It's too early, but if I, if I am. You know, if they bring me in for something. Yes, I'll definitely report on it. Okay. Thank you. And yeah, thanks for doing that. It sounds like it'll be, yeah, and I'm suspect you're having some fun. So. Yes. No, we had a really great time. That's cool. Excellent. Yeah. All right. Any other announcements? I am one that's unrelated to the committee, but it's disability related there. So we have a virtual workshop at Stavros on May 25th. So in protection and what? In protection and seat mapping. It's for people who use wheelchairs and mobility choices. Long term who sit frequently. Seat mapping is a, it's a. It's a mat that you sit on that will. Get pressure source. So, and then what did, do they have. Things you can do to mitigate that before they happen. Yes. You would work with a physical therapist. And how can someone, and did you say it will be via zoom? And they would sign up by contacting me at Stavros. And that would be T Dixon at Stavros.org. Is the easiest way to go about that. And do they, I'm on their website. It's probably not posted there. It's on our social media. We get more. We get more hits on our social media. And then we do on our website. So. So can I ask how they do seat mapping over zoom? Oh no. You don't, you just learn about what it is and you learn about. You can go to request one. I don't want to take any more time, but I can explain to anybody who wants to know. I can share that. I can share that. I can share that. Sure. After the meeting. Yeah. And if you have any sort of flyer. Or email that. That explains this. Could you send that to me? And I can forward it to everyone. Sure. I can. Share that. Thank you. No, that's great. Okay. We can get to, is there anyone here from public comment? Okay. Is there anyone morey? Oh, it looks like Tracy's here. Allow to speak. Okay. Hi, Tracy. If you could state your name and your address. Okay. Hi, I'm Tracy safe and I live on Blue Hills road. I actually don't have any public comment. I just wanted to let you know I'm here. So I do, I do have some comments on some of your other items. Maybe, but I'll listen. Okay. Okay. Great. So the first item. Is about Pomeroy village. And after our last meeting the next day, I happened to have gone to a presentation. By the Massachusetts commission for the blind. And one of the speakers was the new director of orientation and mobility. Alison bill bull. And I listened to her and I thought, you know what? And she said, you know, I'm going to talk to her. She said, you know, I'm going to talk to her at the very end. She said, you can contact me at, and she gave a phone number. And I immediately dialed it. And within 30 seconds, she, you know, of the end of the presentation. We were talking and I told her about Pomeroy. And I asked her if she would be willing to contribute her expertise. Just to look at the plan. And she said she'd be happy to. So I sent her the plans and I sent it to Maureen. And then she and Maureen got together. And she said, you know, I'm going to talk to her at the very end of the presentation. And she said, you know, I'm going to talk to her at the very end of the presentation. So I sent her the feedback. Mostly the feedback was that they did a good job. And that she had some ideas to make sure that the finishing touches worked well. And so Maureen, you can talk about that, but it seems like they had to do with the duration. Of the. Rapid flashing beacons. Depending on how long the segment is that gets crossed. And also about. When you press the button. Like you have to say what street is being crossed. Yes. So Christine. Our planning director Christine Brestrup and I met with. Allison bull Allison with an S. I misspelled her name. And it was a really nice conversation. With Allison and she provided a good recommendations. And she thought the project overall was really good and well thought out. And. We showed her how. Some of the. They're called rectangular, rectangular rapid flashing beacons. We'll call them flashing beacons for short. So. The. Each of the ones located around the. At the roundabout and then just north of the roundabout in front of sort of mission Cantina where there's a, another proposed crosswalk. Those be beacons. Or slightly located at different spots and. And they're within 10 feet of the. Of the road, but, and that is the maximum that it's allowed to be. He can be no further than 10 feet. But they, some of them are, you know, five feet away, some of them are 10 feet away, some of them are seven feet away. And she. She was fine with that. Having sort of sort of. These different distances and they are due to physical constraints. And things of that nature of why there is sort of this. Different locations, but she suggested that the time length for the audible messaging and for, and for the flashing component. When the buttons pressed to cross the street. That the, the, the, the length that the audible, audible messaging and the flashing should. Account for the distance from where the, where you press the button from one side of the road to the button on the opposite side of the road. And so that means that each crosswalk. Each distance or each sort of length of the audible and the flashing could be different for each of them. So it should be dependent on the, on that distance. And then also it should be at a speed for a length that is reasonable for someone to. You know, slowly cross the street, not speed walk across the street. And so those are two important factors to consider. And then she suggested that the audible messaging could state something like lights are flashing. It is now safe to cross West Pomeroy road, for instance, and each audible messaging should reflect the correct street name being crossed. And that the volume of the audible messaging for each of the beacons should account for the surrounding noises and should be easily heard by pedestrians at each respective flashing beacon. And during times that the flashing beacons are not activated for crossing, they should make a beeping noise approximately every 30 seconds, which will serve as a way of finding tool to help pedestrians locate the respective flashing beacon. And then the volume of the beeping noise that would go off every 30 seconds should also account for the surrounding noises and be easily heard by pedestrians at each of those locations. I like this woman. Yeah. Wonderful. And so, you know, I shared this with numerous people, town manager, the town council, the DPW superintendent, the assistant town manager and the planning director and, you know, so Guilford mooring responded back to me saying, this is how he implied that this is the standards that that what she described are the standards that they are going to comply with. It just wasn't articulated by by DPW staff. And so maybe that's, you know, this is, you know, creating conversations and connections of, you know, between this committee and DPW. So perhaps maybe moving forward, it would be helpful for, you know, staff to clarify these components that are really important for everyone to understand. And, and also Allison again was so nice. And she said that, you know, you know, I was like, oh, this was so great meeting you and, and discussing this with you. Would you mind if, you know, in the future, if we have any questions about this project or other projects or initiatives, could we use you as a resource? And she said, yes, absolutely. So it sounds like we have a good contact with her. And she is, what is her official title? The director of orientation or mobility. Yep. With the Massachusetts commission for the blind. So, and as such, she can't charge us anything. Oh, there you go. Didn't even think of that one. Well, that's in many ways why I called her because Guilford, at the last meeting said he didn't have any money and he contacted a consultant that he wasn't going to. And so that's why I called her. Because I knew she couldn't charge us. And I didn't know anything about her before I heard her, but she made a lot of sense. And she talked about, yeah, I liked her a lot. And she was, you know, she was very kind and she was very nice of her to do it. And I don't know how many communities ask her and I don't know what would she would do if a lot of them did. But we got lucky. So I think it was, I think it was really good. And now we know that we can ask her in the future. Until we know that we can depend on DPW. To actually follow through and do what we ask. It's really good to have somebody like her. And so I'm really, I'm very grateful to her. And I wrote her note. And you, you all got the note, I think. Did you get the. Yep. Okay. I don't know if you copied everyone else. You copy the whole committee. Yeah, I saw your note. Yeah. That was really nice. And then she responded to, and she was like, oh yeah. And she said, like, oh yeah, if you ever have questions in the future, feel free to contact me. Right. So we'll say, oh, well you did say that in the email. So we're contacting you. Thank you, Myra, for making the town link with that person. Well, I got lucky because she was there and I called and she answered the phone. I mean, there was a lot of luck involved in it. Yeah. But, you know, sometimes you take advantage of your opportunities and they work out. Yes. Yes. Thank you. And it was, you know, what's good is that essentially they did do a good. Design. And, you know, that's what I said at the last meeting that it's very possible that whoever we get could say that this is an incredibly good design. But before we implement it, we need to have somebody with real expertise look at it. That's right. And that's what happens. So that's great. And, you know, I wish we had been able to do that with other projects, but maybe now that he's planning other roundabouts. Yes. That this would be, you know, this is a, this is basically information about how it has to be done. So in many ways, I feel like this committee. Did achieve something with this. I mean, I think we, I think, I think by being involved in it, it's as good as it can be. Maybe she could even look at it, review the triangle streets roundabout because there's lots of pedestrian crossing issues there. Well, if they're ever going to be able to put any, they didn't wire it. I mean, they'd have to rip it up. They did not put conduit under it. So that we could put any, you know, we could get any. Or FPs there. And maybe that's a good segue to the next item on the agenda. Which is about update about the. About East pleasant street. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What last we heard. They were going to put the sidewalk from. Garcia's to Kendrick Park. Because they could not build it the way it was originally designed, because the town didn't own the land and because there was electric utility poles and stuff, which would have been way too complicated to achieve for the money and the time that we had to do it. But apparently there's an update. Yeah. So we ran out of time last at the last meeting. So I believe, so I believe Ben Bregger had. Provided an update that they are putting in a crosswalk. Where the Garcia's restaurant is located on along East pleasant street. And that's where for two cheese used to be located. And I would cross East pleasant street to connect over to Kendrick Park. And so what the new information is, is that the. The flash, the rectangular rapid flashing beacons. Are now being proposed. Where they are building a crosswalk. At each end of pray street. So pray street connecting over to Kendrick Park. There's a crosswalk being built there. That will include those flashing beacons that will be audible. And then at the other end of pray street where it can expect. To crosses over triangle street. I thought they said they could not build a crosswalk there. Well, let's put it this way. So they're built, they're building a crosswalk. At the corner of prey and East pleasant street. And they're maintaining the existing crosswalk. Right. At pray and triangle. And they are going to locate. Audible flashing beacons there. And so. So in some ways there, there are ways to avoid the roundabout at triangle street. If someone from, you know, the cottage street neighborhood wants to go to downtown, they could cross over. To the left of the street. At triangle and pray with the audible beacons. Walk along the prey street sidewalk. There isn't one though. There isn't what. There's a sidewalk on. Well, if you can see it, there's a sidewalk on the left side of the street, which really doesn't help you get to the other place. There's no sidewalk on the right side. That was the issue. There's no sidewalk that really goes around. There's a lot of parking lots and stuff like that. So it's still not. It's still not, it's not complete, but it's a good start. Given that they weren't going to do anything. It's a good start. Yeah. And I think it was in response of this committee. So. So it is a good start. Of, you know, people are listening to the comments. Provided by this committee. So that's something to feel proud of. Tracy has been raising her hand. Myra, did you want to entertain comments from the public? I think that we should. They let me talk at their meeting. Okay. Let's see here. Hi. Am I muted now? We hear you. Okay. Great. I actually had a comment, just a quick comment about the. The public meeting. The public meeting. I know it's hard to see the public when you're in a meeting. But with the, it's great to hear that this triangle street improvement is going to happen at pray street and cottage. I do. I mean, I, it's really great to see, and I'm glad that that got resurrected. I did have some concerns. And this is just some more general concerns that there is like one of the corners of that intersection that doesn't have a utility pole, like right in the middle of the sidewalk, which is never ideal. And so I do have some more like general concerns about that. And I, I had emailed Myra about it. And CC Marine, just as the, as a counselor or having pole hearings and things, it's like, we try not to do that because it creates problems later. On the Pomoi village. So I thought that that memo, like the feedback from Allison was awesome. The only thing I was thinking about, and I guess it would apply to other rectangular rapid flashing beacons too. Like I like all the way finding with the sound and so on, but I was, I was wondering, maybe the technology just isn't there. To have, if you could have any sensors about when a pedestrian is present. Because like, for example, if the beeping is going to be like every 30 seconds, like all day long, that is a lot of beeping. And I, I know I've, what's working on a downtown project in no barrier. And they had, they had a flashing, they had a crossing like right next to a senior housing projects. So like if you open the windows, you were right next to it. And you could hear the audible signals all day, which is great. But at the same time, you could see like if people are opening their windows, that it's sort of an issue. And so if there's a way, I mean, not to, you know, if, to make it like certain times a day, but even better would be if there is a, some kind of sensor you can have, like when there's a pedestrian or something, maybe certain times a day or when there's a pedestrian, just so it's not beeping constantly. And I guess related to that, just I know that your committee has looked at. Just the maintenance of all those audible signals. And so just to make sure that those are made. Because the idea of having those really informative signals sounds great, like in terms of telling you which street you're crossing and everything, but I would hate if those fell into disrepair. And then I use some. Thanks. That was it. Thank you. I do have a few comments about the shoveling too, but when you get to that, maybe I'll raise my hand again. Okay. Anybody have any more comments? About cottage street. Oh, I have a question. What about that piece of sidewalk? That doesn't exist. Is that part of the plan? It is. If you're talking about along. Triangle street. Yes. So that there's, for whatever reason, there's a gap of the, in the sidewalk. And that's going to be filled in. And so that will be a, you know, a complete connection along triangle street. And that will be part of the MO. Mass DOT shared street grant. Cool. All right. Excellent. Thank you. And it is good. We got something. We got them to do something with that, which is great. So they said they had five sets of those. They hadn't assigned them. So obviously two of them are at the ends of prey street. One of them is at Garcia. That one to Kendrick Park. Where are they putting the other two sets? I'm not exactly sure that. I think maybe they're. Looking into locations. Okay. Because remember they had five sets and they hadn't assigned them. But it wouldn't be all in that general area. I'm not sure. That is a good question. Where will the other. So there's one, two, three, four. So is there. How many more sets are left? Three sets? Maybe the other sets. I'm not exactly sure that I think maybe they're. Looking into. Locations. Okay. Because remember they had five sets and they hadn't assigned them. But it wouldn't be all in that general area. I'm not sure. That is a good question. Where will the other. Three sets. Maybe they were planning to. Maybe they were planning to put something in the roundabout. I don't know. No, I, they, cause. I don't. I don't know. That's a good question. Tracy. Originally when Ben Breger had presented it, they were going to have one on the right in the roundabout. So there were actually, even before they built the roundabout. There's these little stanchion there that they had set up to put electric conduit if they ever did for a signal. But I remember when Ben originally presented it, they were talking about flashing yellow arrows just from the. The corner of the trying the corner of. East pleasant and triangle. Like the corner where the big building is right there. And that having the rapid rectangular flashing beacon, you know, you know, you know, you know, like halfway through the end, like across the intersection toward Kendrick and not the whole thing. And I remember contacting planning at the time and just suggesting, like, if you're going to have people push the button, you want to make sure that the flashing is like across the, all the lanes, not just some lanes. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they put some like right in the intersection in the roundabout. Yeah. Oh, here's a good story for you. You know, the one in North Hampton at 91 and root nine. That roundabout that they put in. Yes. And driver told me that on three separate occasions. He has been in the roundabout and somebody made a left turn. Off of Damon road, going the wrong way. Wow. Oh, wow. Yeah. Three times he's seen it. Oh my God. Can you say that one more time? It's a two lane roundabout. And. As he was going through it. There was somebody coming off of Damon road. And going the wrong way in the roundabout thinking they could get over the bridge by going left. Oh, wow. That's how it used to be before when the lights were there. Yeah. Right. And I said, Oh my God. How many people are going to get killed there before they figure this out? I would hope that that is a rarity. This three times. Three times. You know, That was, I'm sorry. What was the question? Like signs or something. You would think, you know, like, it's not our problem. It's not our problem. It's not our problem. It's not the purview of this committee, but it's somehow people don't understand these roundabouts are one lane. So they're a little bit different. Yeah. Maybe they're not as inviting to go the wrong way. I don't know. They're much safer. Yeah. You can hear me. But did you also hear about how there was a tractor trailer that was on the bike path there? It took a wrong turn and went on the bike path. It took a wrong turn to the end of the street, whatever that street's called. And it was trying to turn that super sharp left on Bates street to go to the industrial park. And it was stuck, but how it even got down the bike path. My dear. All caused by, by GPS. You're talking about. Right there. As you cross over the bridge. Yeah, there's a bike path and for whatever reason. I think that was a road. That was a road. 18 whaler. Decided to take the turn onto the bike path thinking that that was a road. There are actually, so there are apps. More information than you need to know, but like. A lot of professional truck drivers have, you know, we have. We as just. You know, individuals, you know, driving just. You know, there's all kinds of driving apps. Professional truck drivers. Can get truck specific GPS. Equipment. And I don't think some do. And that's when you see these instances of. Was it the, the. The truck eating. Bridge. In North Hampton where truck drivers go under the bridge and they get stuck and. They get stuck in the bridge. Clearly they're not using the app, but the, the, the GPS system specifically for truck drivers. Thorough drive in Boston too. In the tunnel. This don't use this. Yeah. It happens. Southeast street all the time. Yeah. Well, it's providing a lot of good income for cities. That's one way to think of it. It's like, how, how do you get on the road? You know, how do you get on the road? For, for, for every time that happens. Repairing the bridge. Who knows. I don't know. Crossway there. Right when you get on. So if they're in the wrong lane, you know, if there's a tractor trailer on that, on that street, trying to get onto Damon road to get over to industrial park. There's a crosswalk there too. So, you know, for people who have to get across with their truck. It's a real problem. Anyway, I was, I was sort of a stone, you know, astonished. Anyway, okay, so let's get back to the next. Can I just add something? And I didn't think of it when we were doing announcements because we started talking about sidewalks. And I know this project is not finished. But we went for a walk on Mother's Day. And I'm not too far from the new dog. A walking park that is going up. Where the old landfill was. And they really need to put. They need to color. They need to put some contrast on the sidewalk now. So they have, and I don't know why it isn't just sloped all the way down. There's, there's a curb. There's an area that is like a. Large curb cut. Type thing. And then right next to it, there's. A curb. And so I am my scooter noticed it before I went over it, but my husband thought he had cleared it and he hadn't. And he tipped over in his wheelchair. Oh wow. And so they really need to paint. Put some yellow paint or something. Over what? Over the. Over the. Over the curb. Where, because there's the curb and then there's that large. It's just a slope. It's like a. A ramp built into the asphalt and the concrete. It's an oversized curb cut, if you will. But for some reason they decided to put a curb next to it. It's just part of the sidewalk. There's a step up or a step down. And my husband actually fell off of it. Oh wow. That's thank you for sharing that with us. I will let staff know. You're about your comments and that your husband tipped over the curb and to see if they, if they're planning, were they planning to do that? And they haven't, they haven't just gotten to it yet. Or if they haven't gotten to it, but I just said something needs to be put there. Whether it's owned or something. So. Sure. And when it's finished, I don't even know why it's there. They could have just ramped the whole thing. I'm not sure what the reasoning is, but. Yeah. There's an accident waiting to happen. It already did happen. Well, it didn't get hurt. Luckily. So good. Well, thanks for letting us know. I will let staff know that. So. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yeah, they're doing sidewalks. Yeah, I, I. And I believe that was one of the suggestions from this committee was to. Yes. So that's really great to hear. And so. Um, I'm sorry, I'm looking at a map because I want to be correct. I don't know. I don't know. Like they're doing both the north and south side of Amity street between north pleasant north prospect street. And. I want to say in sunset. Or maybe it's Lincoln. Unfortunately, I didn't. Write down the extent. I think it is from sunset to north prospects. It starts at Lincoln. And they're like, they're like the slope gets really steep and they couldn't do the work there. Okay. So it's between Lincoln and north prospect. And they're doing north pleasant street. Okay. It's going all the way, but you're right. It's mainly going to be like till prospect because from prospect on it's improved already, but they are, they are improving some on the north side of North prospect too. So is it anywhere towards Dana as you walk down towards Dana street? Let me look at my map. They're not fixing those because of the slope. They're not fixing anything there because they've said it's too hard with the slope. So what that, that's dangerous there. What's, is anything going to happen? Or is it up to the homeowners? Well, they're not. They're not fixing it this year. I have a, this moment. So, you know, that's something that. You know, I'm sure the town. We'll consider fixing in the future and, um, and, you know, this committee can make a recommendation to, um, fix that section of the sidewalk in the future. I'm just, I'm just. At least you go down that street all the time because your parents live on Dana. Yeah, I had to get to, they live on Dana street and I walk down there at least once a week, sometimes twice. And. You know, uh, yeah, it's dangerous. It's a little treacherous. Um, so. That's, that's my curiosity. But I'm just trying to picture like how far down they're going with the side. I'm glad they're starting. It's, uh, they stop where, um, the hill sort of descends down. Okay. Well, it's a start. That's great to start. That's the theme of today. It's a start. And the curb cuts are really, the curb cuts are really nice. I mean, they're still working. They've done the north side of the intersections, the two corners. And now they're working on the south. The new path is really wide and it doesn't have any, you know, roots or anything. Um, good. So the, yeah, the north side is done. And they're working on the south and then new curb cuts are like, it's all beautiful. And actually I've asked Gilford at the last tech meeting last week, I asked him about. Because the Lincoln amity intersection is a place where there's a number of crashes. Um, just because particularly if you're crossing the street at amity, the street truly wide and it's not that well lit. Like I walked that way a lot at night. Um, and he said that they may eventually put a rectangular rapid flashing beacon crossing in there, but there really has to be something done because it's not that safe right now. Even, you know, with the nice new sidewalks, it won't be any safer until they do something. Yeah. Yeah. As somebody who uses a cane and a guide dog, you know, it's important to have smooth surface when you can get it. Well, have you seen this? At least have you tried the new surface on the north side yet? I haven't because I saw the construction going on, but I intend sometime this week I am going to go down and look at it. Yeah. So the south is still in progress and the south side. And one thing I don't like is that. You know, I'm not a fan of sidewalks. I say sidewalk clothes. They don't only give pedestrians anywhere to go. Yeah. I did notice that. And so, um, I mean, they really, yeah, it's not great. You end up walking in the street or whatever. So. Yeah. I'm not a fan. Because they're still working on it. Well, there should be, there should be a accessible route. During construction. Yeah. I can't walk to my folks house. Because I use that side of the street. Yeah. So, you know, when you're ready, you could, um, walk along the north side and then connect back over. Um, Amity street and there's no light. So it's not. Yeah. It's not great. And there are places where there's no one to cross, but if you don't have a light on that street, it's not okay to cross it. No. So at the, at the Lincoln. At them at that intersection, the Lincoln intersection. I mean, yesterday, like they, you know, they were just walking in the street. They were just walking in the street. And then they were just walking in the street. And so I think that's the best thing. I mean, I don't know where they're going to be, I don't know if it's the, I don't know where they're going to be filling in the sidewalk, but it's all just the, none of it's still didn't yet or anything. So you really can't walk that way yet. Unfortunately. So it'll be open. It'll all be open eventually when it's done. Yeah, it looks like it'll probably be done and I don't know. Probably by the end of this month. I think they're talking about working. Didn't they send out something that they're all going to be doing, because it's going to be a difficult. I don't know. And. Three years ago they were working at the, the. Commencement. Commencement. That's for route nine commencement is on Friday. Oh, it's written nine. Yeah. Yeah. And University drive and Rocky Hill road, they're all closed on Friday. So. They're also going to repair. It says Taylor street is one of their projects. street has fallen apart. I'm sorry. That's one of the projects that they listed that they're going to do. I pretty much between high and. Newell court. Yeah, I'm not sure when they're. I don't know when they're starting the Taylor street. Roadway improvement. I can. No, it's not. It's only a sidewalk. They don't need to do the road. That's one of the roads they did. I've been doing this for a few years. I've been doing this for a few years, a few years ago. And you're saying that they're planning to. Yeah, it said, it said they were going to do it. Okay. Yeah. I could reach out to W. It doesn't say where, but anyway, that's pretty much fallen apart. Okay. Let's go on to. Great. The Berkshire eagle, the snowing. Unfortunately, you can't get the article anymore. Was it saved as a PDF? No. I'll, I mean, I'll have to email it to you. All right. But anyway, I think the point is that we have to figure out. I mean, there were people who were complaining about calling the police to, you know, have them. Get in touch with people who aren't maintaining their sidewalks and that that's problematic for a lot of people. And, you know, the whole, the whole process of how to make a complaint. Probably needs to be reviewed. And then, you know, are there going to be, you know, stiffer fines? So I guess the question is what, what, you know, do you have a presentation of any kind? No. No. Okay. I mean, I don't know what people think we should do. Tracy, do you have. Yeah. I was just going to comment. So at the Jones library open house, I had the privilege of meeting Earl Miller. You know, he's going to be the new director of crests. He's going to be the new director of crests. He's going to be the new director of crests. He's going to be the new director of crests. Of course, doesn't have any staff right now, except for him. But I was one of the people who didn't really feel comfortable when I was told that I needed to call the police. Like if I. Was concerned about a sidewalk that wasn't shoveled or if there were cars blocking the sidewalk and so on. So I actually, so he told me, I mean, he gave me his card and he said, just contact me anytime. About any of these like quality of life type issues that you have to deal with. And so I did contact him yesterday. Because there's this one rental property on route nine. That they were, they were parked blocking the sidewalk. And it turned out, and I sent him a picture and it turned out that that same property. I've complained about before, like one time when there was a snowstorm, they actually parked. Parallel to the sidewalk, like blocking the whole sidewalk. Like in this case that yesterday there were just like back. And their back end was just out in the. Way, but I've complained about, and then they also, I mean, one of the things with some of these rentals is they have so many cars that are parking with the students and the driveways aren't that big. So this, this, they also tend to park in this particular property. They tend to park a lot of cars in the lawn and sometimes very, very close to the sidewalk and so on. So I contacted Earl Miller yesterday and because he said, well, these are the kind of things that he thought crest could handle, you know, even though they're also looking at the bigger issues like there's no health calls and things like that. And he was going to follow up. So we'll see how that goes. But currently what I was told last year was to contact the police, but then there's really no place on the, I mean, just to call because there's no information about how to report that on the town website. Or on the police department website. So. And then my main concern is, I mean, I don't really. I mean, fines are okay, but I mean, I really just want the sidewalk clear and I want it to be clear to people like that. And the education about why that matters. Like that to me is the most important thing. I don't really know that fines achieve that. And in that model that Berkshire, the pitchfield model, like if you just increase fines, I mean, maybe there's reasons that people haven't done the sidewalk. You know, maybe somebody sick or we don't even know. So I'd rather not be punitive and just get people to do it. I just, maybe I'm too optimistic, but. Yeah. Anybody have any words of wisdom? No. But anyway, I can tell people or Miller's contact info because he said, go ahead, call him. So. Well, to continue with the theme that's a start. So, you know, I can give everyone Earl's contact information. That'd be great. If, if, if you have a complaint. With the town, I guess it could be anything. I think his services are really geared towards. Public health. Including mental health. But, you know, if there's, you know, a complaint regarding sidewalks that you don't. Feel comfortable contacting the police about. He's, he's really super friendly. So he would be a great person to. Reach out to by email or telephone. But I guess I would like to. Back with staff about that. Because we don't want to, he is just one person handling every single sort of phone call right now. So we don't want to overwhelm him. And he's not an ombudsman. So easily be used as one, but he's. Yeah. He's the crest director. Tell us what crest exactly stands for. Give me a moment. It's community responders for equity, safety and service. And actually, I mean, the staff at Crest and he too. I mean, I agree with Maureen that they're currently, there's only him, but right, they're going to be hiring people. And that they do really, it sounds like they really do welcome those other types of calls too. You know, I mean, I don't think that the mental health calls and those issues would like occupy all of their time. So, I mean, obviously they're not as high priority, but I mean, if they. It sounds like it would be part of his. I am reading his, so I'm on the Crest website. The reason for creating this department is to provide community safety services and situations that don't involve violence or serious crime. And the reason for that is to create a civilian unarmed alternative to calls that might otherwise require a response from the police department. The purpose is ensure that any public safety response is anti-racist equitable, just and fair, and that we offer preventative services to get at the root of assisting our community members to avoid necessitating public safety involvement in the first place. So this actually does fit. I think it's a very important issue. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So it does fit. I don't even think it stretches. What that says. Mm hmm. I mean, it doesn't say only. Mental health. It's public safety. And. That is. Absolutely public safety. Absolutely. Yeah. If he can. I don't know. I mean, it's way premature because he's just been hired. But I'm wondering if he can figure out how to publicize. What community, what responsibilities people have. And why, you know, what, what, what Tracy said, I'm wondering if he is going to have anybody who does outreach. Yeah. So the website is going to be. Yeah. So the website for this department indicates there's an implementation team. Which involves various staff members. And they have different assignments, determine the scope of crests relationship with police, fire and EMS identify calls directed to crests. Project number of crest responders and size of department, development, job description, recruit applicants. Review communication protocols, develop outreach efforts, create training requirements for crest staff. And develop program details, including policies and procedures. So perhaps let's, I think this is a really great topic. And perhaps we should just wait until he has more staff members. And I think it would be a nice, you know, between crests and the DEI director. I think this would could could be a really complimentary, complimentary discussion regarding, you know, making sure our sidewalks are, you know, maintained throughout the year as a public safety concern. Is there a DEI director? Not yet. Not yet. I think it's, it's in the, I'm not really, yeah, I think they're sort of finalizing that this month. Okay. Yeah, stands for diversity equity and inclusion. Okay. Quick question. Since we're on the sidewalk on subject. Does that also covered bus stops? Yes. Is different thing. Because everybody's passing the buck on that too. And that is definitely a public safety. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so I think that would be the responsibility of the town to maintain the bus stops and shelters. I send so many emails out. Or do they think it's the PVTA's response? Yeah, they pass. Yeah, that's why I can't, I think some of the bucks shelters are owned by PVTA. Or maybe they purchase some of them and then the town takes them over. I'm not exactly too sure of who owned. So I would, yeah, I was at a meeting with Mindy Dom, like a community meeting and people brought up the issues and, and she was actually going to try to help. I mean, one of the things sometimes is that the town says it's the PVTA's job. The PVTA says it's the town's job. So the tack, we have a new member who joined a few months ago who works for UMass transit. And he said that when he's driving and he sees like a bus stop, that really needs to be shoveled out. He contacts his UMass transit right away to have it done. So he feels like it's UMass transit's PVTA's job. The one in front of Jones library in the wintertime is never shoveled. Interesting. Who's responsible for that one? You know, That's a good question. We can look into that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we should put that on as a bus stop maintenance. And maybe in the fall we can ask. Oh my God, I can't think of his name. That you guy you just said. Earl Miller. Chris. Yeah, Earl Miller. I'm sorry. That's fine. Maybe we could have him come and see if there's anything we can work out with him as far as. You know, his understanding of what, what the observations that we have are. So that, that would be good. And, and the fact that we don't, I mean, it would be good to have it not be punitive. If we can avoid having it be punitive. Yeah, we can certainly invite him to a meeting that, you know, when he's available. Yeah. And I think the DEI person, I mean he hasn't been hired yet. So it'll be months before we could get him or her here. I think that's a good idea. I think that this committee is actually. Part of the purview of the person who is going to be doing direct diversity, equity and inclusion. Right. We. I have a question about the sidewalks. In wintertime, you know, that might give us some, you know, some towns, which have been successful in doing that. And a where I live. This is brought up by some people who have their houses and there's a sidewalk in front of it. It's expected of them to clean the sidewalks. And I remember reading a message from one of the homeowners in that area. He says, this used to be no problem, but as we are me and my wife, as we are aging, we have difficulty doing that. So I wonder if there could be some system where they can just dial a number and they can send some clothes to clean it. And then be responsible for some. Payment for it or something like a minimal amount. But I'm curious to see how other towns are handling, especially in our area with similar kind of snow issues. Like North Hampton, for example, I don't know that you're going to find a whole lot of happiness with finding that out, Sarah. I think there's a lot of people walking in the street. Because I think there's a lot of people who aren't cleaning up. I mean, even when my daughter lives in Watertown, she said sometimes where there's a lot of traffic. Where, you know, on major streets, she's in the street. Right. I'm curious to see how North Hampton is handling. They have a very active disability advisory committee. I can certainly go on the North Hampton website and, and see how that's handled or give them a phone call. Yeah. Yeah, not a problem. I do. If memory serves me, I believe they have the same policy as Amherst does, or a similar one that it is at the responsibility of the property owner for the portion in front of their property, for the sidewalk in front of their property that they should be maintaining it. And then if there is maybe, for example, more in there might get a variance from doing it because of their maybe the owner's disability or age or something like that. Yeah. I like that. So that would be informing the town that they have some sort of ailment or some disability or age. I mean, so then, you know, when you talk about businesses, you know, or that establishment is making an income, you then want to ask yourself, well, if you can't physically maintain it, do you have a property management company maintaining your property? And can they maintain the sidewalk in front of your, your establishment? I mean, that might be different obviously for homeowners, depending on people's income level. Yeah. But I think that all those sort of factors should be considered. Yeah. I guess I just want to say about the homeowners. Most of the homeowners are not sitting in their household winter because they can't get out of their own driveway. They are hiring people to plow their driveways. If they can't do it themselves, I mean, people are not being shut-ins in $500,000 houses. They're hiring people to clean their driveways. I have a house with a driveway and I have people professionally plowed. They will not get out of their truck and shovel mine. So they won't even do it with a blower? No. They don't, they won't maintain your walkways. They'll only plow your driveway. That's interesting. Yeah. That is interesting. It takes too much. It's a different set of equipment and it takes too much time. But you know, a lot of houses, like a lot of people have a snowblower that they used to use. And now I understand it that you can't use it all anymore, but maybe that's what 12 year olds in the neighborhood are for. I don't know, but that's an interesting question. Okay. So they're using, they won't get out of their truck. No, only. So how does your, how does your, well, you don't need a front walk clean. But sure you do. I do. I do. And I have people that helped me personally, but not everybody because I'm disabled, you know, I have assistance. So they show it when there is me, you know, and then, you know, I have a, you know, my family also assists with that, but not everybody. I mean, I don't have a sidewalk that I'm responsible to clean, but it is challenging because I'm just telling you, they have snow plowing guys who come and do it. And they just, because they have so many people, they have lined up. So they finish it in five, 10 minutes. They go to the next driveway, you know, it's that kind of thing. So they don't have time to do it individually. That's, that's good to know. Unfortunately, it's unfortunate, but that's good to know. Are there any other DAC members that want to come on on this? No, I just know that there's a sidewalk on the opposite side of my street. It's not in front of my house. That isn't always. My neighbors aren't clearing their side. Yeah. Mine are neither. Yeah. It looks like Tracy. I have a question. You know, I'm, I was surprised when we moved out here. They have sidewalk, the town has sidewalk cleaners. I'm assuming because I was surprised that we had one that came up our part of main street, you know, and we're heading up towards like Pelham road up that way. But, you know, I was surprised because I had never seen that before. I mean, you know, I don't know if we have that a Newton where we move from, but they do have, I don't, I don't know if it was the town or whatever, but I had commented to my husband, look, there's a little snow cloud that goes up the sidewalk and cleans off the sidewalk. So you don't have to do that. So the town does maintain some of the sidewalks in downtown. They'll do a sort of. You know, they'll do a sort of, you know, clearing the sidewalks. And it is limited to just the main streets in downtown. And then it's up to the property owner to maintain them after that. But, you know, due to. Financial constraints. I don't think most towns can afford sort of expanding those. Maintenance. And so that's why towns often will have in their bylaws that. As a way to take the financial burden away from the town is to put it on the property owner for the portions of the sidewalk there in front of their home or business that they should maintain it and sort of, and that's the way everyone chips in and, you know, provides a service for the whole community. If everyone chips in. I think it is, it is a real issue because people in Amherst certainly are getting older. I mean, we have a very large percentage of elderly people who live in Amherst. And, you know, I mean, every time they want to do a two and a half override, that becomes an issue for elderly people who are home owners who are living on fixed incomes, you know, who, you know, and I've written letters to the editor saying, you know, if they're going to lose this population, they're not going to be able to afford to live where they're living where they've lived for many, many years. You know, if we keep doing two and a half overrides and their property taxes keep going up if they're on a fixed income. So I think some of these issues are not just related to people with disabilities, but also impact people who are elderly. I think the town has some mechanisms for that. I mean, I think there are ways that I forget what they do, but there are ways that they can work with people to pay their taxes, even from the value of their homes. Yeah, but you know, I just have to say my husband and I looked into that. And with our social security stuff and a little bit of savings that we have, we didn't qualify for what they call as an abatement or whatever. I mean, the town does have, you know, if you, if you go on to the website, they do have mechanisms, but you know, it's, it's very limiting in terms of what your income, your annual income is given, you know, it's just social security benefit might be in whatever small pension you might have. Well, that's a whole other question that doesn't really have anything to do with this committee, but all right. All right. Have we dealt with everything we have. There is another item on the agenda. Actually, so I guess I have an announcement, which would be about the capital budget. So it looks like, I believe the town council still needs to formally vote on it. But I checked in the assisted listing devices for the bank center are still on that list. And so is auditing the flashing beacons, the existing flashing beacons and replacing any ones that are, you know, broken and also the ADA improvement capital, capital budget item is also being maintained. So those are all really positive things. What's the ADA improvement capital for facilities. Yeah, okay. And the door was done through a grant. So that's not involved in the capital. Yeah, for the bank store. Yeah, so the planning department was awarded a grant through the mass office on disabilities to replace the door, the front door to the bank center. And there was a broken automatic door opener and the landing in front of the door needs to be reworked as well. And what we didn't do, which is the parklets. Oh yeah, putting them. Yes. So with the assistance of the planning department, the Amherst bid Amherst business improvement district was awarded a grant to place three parklets in downtown. And so a parklet real quick is a sidewalk extension extends a sidewalk further along and provides a space that is at the same level as the sidewalk and can provide a space for like a restaurant. And so there could be chairs and tables and stuff for the for the parklet. And the parklet itself will be ADA accessible. And so will the transition from the adjacent sidewalk to the parklet will be ADA. And then the placement of the tables and chairs will all have enough room and turning radius for someone in a wheelchair. And they'll be railings along the edge of the parklet with like concrete barriers at each end of the parklet. So a chair can't fall off into the street basically. Correct. Yep. And yeah, so there's three parklets. One is going to be built in front of Amherst coffee. And the other two will be in front of Fresh Side on South Pleasant Street and another one in front of Veracruzana, which is also on South Pleasant. And they'll take up about two parking spaces. Thank my parklet was that was going to be my question. Say that again. Yep. And when I read the agenda, I was wondering what a parklet was. Yeah. Sort of a funny name because I know it's like a it's a new coins term that's been used. And so you've probably seen on the news, you know, during this COVID era that we live in is a lot of towns and cities have, you know, have provided these, you know, parklets, extended sidewalks to provide, you know, more outdoor outdoor spaces for restaurant goers and stuff. And so so this project is a pilot project, if you will, as the town wants to explore, we're looking at street state streetscape designs of downtown and seeing, you know, this is just temporary. The parklet can be removed, you know, sort of at any time. But, you know, the town wants to explore permanently, you know, extending the sidewalks so they're wider. And, you know, what would that look like and what kind of amenities would folks want to see? And, you know, of course, we would want to make sure that everything's ADA compliant. But we'd also want to make sure like, do folks want to have outdoor dining? Should we have more, you know, bike share stations or more benches or or street trees? So this is just to show an example of what extended sidewalk could incorporate. And so what's it made of, Maureen? I didn't understand that it's temporary. How could it be temporary? Well, it's it's designed to, you know, hold the what, you know, withstand whether it's would composite, I believe. And so, you know, those materials can, you know, they're all going to be like screwed in and all that. But, you know, eventually there is a shelf life of, you know, we hope that these will be, you know, up for at least, you know, five plus years, but it's not permanent. It's not concrete. Let's just put it that way. The issue for us that I could see is people moving the tables off of the parklets to make more room and pushing them out into the sidewalk, which is I think why what they did in North Hampton has those potted trees separate, you know, like they can't be moved so easily, you know, how they did that with the trees. Oh, yeah, the potted tree. Yeah, yeah, on Strang Street. Yeah, but not only there, but even on Main Street, there's a couple like one is near the, oh, come on, the the Middle Eastern pita pockets. And I think because I can just see people moving the tables, feeling like they don't quite have enough space. And there's not going to be a, you know, it's going to be a flat surface connecting to the sidewalk. And I guess that's the question is you, there has to be some way to make a, make a boundary so that people aren't going to be confused about where the sidewalk is. Good idea. You know what I mean. Yeah, I know those are, I understand your concerns. So each of these restaurants will have to submit like a floor plan showing where their tables and chairs will be located on the, on the. The parking lot. The parking lot will be located on the parking lot. The parking lot will be located on the parking lot itself, which is, you know, a platform. And that they will agree that, you know, none of these tables or chairs will be relocated on the sidewalk. The sidewalk will be maintained as a, a pedestrian route and will not be utilized as outdoor dining. Places have chained their tables. Not to interrupt you, but I've noted. You know, I've noted that. I've noted that. I've noted that. I've noted that. I've noted that. I've noted that. I've noted that. They've chained their tables and chairs. People can't move them. Aha. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, you know, if, if, if, if that were to become an issue here in air mercy that people, you know, restaurants are tinkering with the location of the tables and chairs, you know, the town definitely strongly wants to maintain the, the sidewalks as a pedestrian route. But if it comes to that, you know, the town could say, you're going to have to chain your tables and chairs, but let's hope that that's not where this is going to go. Cause that's the only thing I could see that would be a problem. What about Amherst coffee last, last year, there was a real problem with their tables and chairs. Is that going to be a problem again this year? So, you know, I, I think that the grant was inspired by, by Elise's complaint to be honest. And so, um, and so the, yeah, so the sidewalk and, you know, the sidewalk in front of Amherst coffee will be maintained as a sidewalk and then the, the sidewalk will extend out into the two parking spaces in front of Amherst coffee. And that's where the tables and chairs will be provided. And so that sidewalk will be maintained. And so you don't have to go dip down and go into the road and dip back up. I have another question related to the bank's center. I know just this last week, there was some discussion about the problems with the bank center and needing a new senior center because the rooms that are in the bank center are often used for things other than what some of the groups use them for. So for example, I used to be to belong to the arthritis exercise class and it was held in the pole room where now there is an exhibit. So, you know, it can't be used for that. So I know with the new, um, the new director of the bank center, there's they're now raising the issue about, do we need another, you know, a new senior center? Because, uh, this one's inadequate. Do you know if that's even been put on, on the table for the town to look at? So those, that's a great question, Ruth. So Hayley Bolton is the town's new senior service director. She started in January. And I know that her and the council on aging are, you know, discussing, you know, the need for, you know, if the need for exploring whether a, you know, a different location for a senior center, um, could happen. I don't know where they are in that process, um, but I know that they're discussing it. Um, and, um, so as you all know, I'm part of, I'm helping Hayley out with, uh, working with Hayley with, uh, as the town is trying to become a designated as a age and dementia friendly community. And we'll be holding public forums and, um, about various topics. And I will send out emails to you all about, uh, about those public forums once, um, once we finalize, um, the fliers and whatnot. Um, but I imagine that residents will, uh, speak to that need. And so if you go to one of these public forums, uh, you might want to, um, vocalize that, um, we did, um, sent out surveys. I think we've almost got like a thousand surveys, uh, responses. And I know that that was a hot, hot item that was expressed is for the need for a new senior center. So, um, I think it'll take time, just like everything else, like the Jones library that took time to get to where it's at. Um, and so if, you know, the town is exploring whether a new senior center is needed, it's going to take time to get there and figure out where we can be located and how to fund it and yada, yada, yada. But it's on the radar, which is, yeah, it's just certainly it's on the radar. Back to the parklets. Do you know when they're going to be built? They're going to be built. Um, I believe, uh, by the end of this month. Okay. And I guess they didn't do any on main street because the slope of the street is too big and it has that extra little. You know, it has that extra little step thing anyway. Yeah, there's definitely a big elevation change. Um, and along main street. Um, and so, um, because they have a lot of places to eat there, but they don't have a parklet. So, yeah, I guess it's topographical. But you know what? So as this is a pilot project. And folks say, ooh, that parklet in front of Amherst coffee or barricasana or fresh side, that looks super nice. Like we would like to have that. And that's good information. You know, maybe, maybe there's another grant to pay for another parklet next year, but it's good information of, oh, well, as we're thinking about streetscape designs and thinking about the width of the road and what we want. If we wanted to expand it or what have you, what, what would we like to see within that public right of way? Um, you know, maybe that's helping envision what our streetscape has is more, more spaces for those sorts of opportunities. Okay. And we, so we're losing six parking spaces. Um, That's a whole other topic and it's not ours to discuss. So. Okay. Is, is there, um, anything else for this month? It did not get to the meeting minutes. Unfortunately. Okay. We'll do them next month. The next meeting, I think would be like June 14th. Uh, you're probably right. See here. June 14th is correct. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Um, so. I think he has her hands up. Tracy does. Oh, okay. Thank you. Tracy. So I had, hi. So I actually, I had a quick question on the parklets, but I know one of the issues with Amherst coffee is also. On the sidewalk, it's not really a official sidewalk, but. The unofficial sidewalk that goes along all those businesses, you know, go bearing everything that Amherst coffee. A lot of times they like chain it off. They rope it off. So I was wondering if they're going to continue to do that. Cause it basically pushes everybody into the street. Um, That's just a question. Um, but the other thing is I had, I actually had raised my hand when you were still talking about the sidewalk. I mean the sidewalk and snow is that I've been in touch with, and I know, um, I know it's hard to get a straight line, but the sidewalk. Um, I've been in touch with walk boss and about just the snow issues and sidewalks. And walk Boston, which even though they're called walk Boston, they actually span statewide. And that's an issue that they're looking at at this state level. Um, because it's really complicated and, um, It's hard to get. Um, Sidewalk shoveled and I've actually been interested in it for, um, have state roads is because like in Hadley, for example, from the Amherst Hadley line, no university drive out to Hampshire Mall, that they built this beautiful sidewalk a few years ago, but nobody removes the snow in the winter. So we've had the last three winters and nobody takes responsibility. It's one of these questions like Elise said, where the town says mass, you know, the state is responsible and the state, the town, you know, so they keep passing the buck and property owners don't do it. And then even though you have the nice sidewalk, people are still wheelchairs, everybody is still in the street. So I'd really like to see that fixed. And also the state do a tee, like through the other part of Hadley, like from the mall towards the bridge, they're also going to be building sidewalks there. So it's a bigger issue. And the, you know, Walk Boston is working on it. And it's really challenging with the state because they can't find anybody to clear the sidewalks in. So anyway. You have Walk Boston coming to attack meeting anytime soon? You know, I've reached out to them. We've been in touch the chair of the Walk Boston board, like the volunteer board, she lives in Springfield and the attack has been in touch with her because they do a lot of walk-offs, walk audits and so on. The person who gave the presentation on the snow the last time I contacted her, she was on leave. Like for a family situation, I'm going to get back in touch with her but I will let you know if they would come out to us. That would be a really cool thing for us to know about, but I know that the day I talked to her, I talked to her to follow up on the phone and that there were like the head of Walk Boston was meeting with the state on that. So, I mean, it continues to go every year. I know that every year I contact like Joe Cumberford's office and they've been trying to make progress too. On our particular sidewalk, the Hadley one, but it's really a statewide issue. So, yeah. Okay, so we're running out of time. Right, thank you. So we'll see everyone on June 14th. Yes. Okay. We'll be warm. Okay. Okay. All right. Bye everyone. Bye everyone. Bye, thank you. Bye.