 All right, happy Thursday, everyone, or Friday. Happy Friday. We have someone from Australia with us. It's wonderful to see people coming from all over for these new member sessions. And first of all, welcome. Welcome to wiki tree. And we, we really do say that these sessions are for new and new ish. Okay, I'm a new ish. There's no statute of limitations on being a new member. It's, you know, whenever, however long you feel like, you know, you need help getting up and going. I've been on wiki tree. First of all, my name is Betsy co, and I've been on wiki tree for about four and a half years now. And I myself went through that learning curve of trying to figure everything out of how to how to get my, my genealogy research that I previously done that was housed on ancestry primarily, and how to get that over to wiki tree accurately and in an immediate way. I was really, I think the thing that drew me in was the dedication of the community to accuracy and sources. I noticed, of course, like many people, I found wiki tree when I was googling an ancestor, and the ancestor had a profile on wiki tree. I saw these research notes and, you know, sort of saying, well, if we can show this, then we'll feel confident about proof. And I just thought that was fantastic. The, the, that level of attention to proof. And then I also just love the richness with which you can tell an ancestor story pictures and the biography and, you know, the memories section and it's, it, I think for me it's it's just been the best way to to to protect my the legacy of my ancestors over time. I've been active. I'm active in a number of projects in Canada, Wales, and Scotland projects. And I'm the coordinator for the newly formed Taiwan project which is part of the global project. And I also serve as a mentor. And I'm one of the, the hosts of the Saturday roundup livecast on Saturday mornings. I know a couple of you attend those. And, and I help on the events committee. So, and we have a couple of experienced wiki trees on the call with us. Denise Jared is here and also Sue Carter. And, you know, so we have expertise to call upon and Steve Greenwood, who's my regular, my, my first co host for these. And the thing that you said as well, I mean, wiki tree really, you know, does shine on the collaborative spirit, you know, of what a wiki can be and what a family tree can be. And that's, you know, obviously would pull me into it as well as that I didn't have to feel like everything was isolated. You know, you build these on maybe your private computer but nobody can share any of that information or the research. So, you know, you're working twice as hard three times as hard to do the same thing that someone else might be doing. So, in my background, for those who don't know, I'm a wiki founder. I actually have experienced wiki is going back 20 years now. And I found wiki tree in 2020 so I'm relatively late to the wiki tree game. But quickly, you know, I did climb the ladder in terms of interacting with the community. So, like Betsy, I am also a member of the events committee as well. We have events coming up, you know, we will talk about those. I also am a part of Germany project, notables project, and then I am the coordinator for the newly formed Tanzania project, which is a part of the global project. I didn't know that Steve, that's so cool. I didn't tell you. Oh, you did not. And next Friday, I will be giving a talk to the Milwaukee County Genealogical Society about wiki tree. That will be on both zoom and in person. And I was hoping that Betsy would be able to review some of that would be tonight after this as well. So, yes, I we will we will get it done before. Okay, all right. So that's me. Excellent. Okay, well, so I have. Based on on things that I read in the G to G post. I have some things just I thought would be helpful to talk about. And I actually should add one thing to the topics. But basically this session is for you. And so we will, you know, just drive the discussion based on your questions. You can feel free to put those in the chat, or just raise a hand. And, and we'll take it from there. Donna has has graciously agreed to let us look at some of her profiles. And that's what we love to do is when you ask us questions. You question. Look at the profile directly. So with that in mind. Okay, and Bonnie, I see your question. Let me just say show one thing before we start in on questions. I'm going to share my screen. Oh, I do kind of respond to it in the chat. And she was. And Steve, you'll, you'll keep an eye on the chat. Yeah. Well, it's gone away now since we've gone to full screen, but I might be able to adjust. So, so one thing that you will get asked a lot about your profile about you as a wiki tree or about any profile that you're working on is, oh, hey, what's the profile ID. And I wanted to make sure that everybody knows how to find that it's very easy. So here I am on, on a person that I've created, not me, obviously. And we have here up at the top. There are two places that you can see his profile ID. One is at the top of this menu. I don't know why it's a little bit. It's not in half, but it says two eight seven four right at the top. The other place you can see it is in the web address. It will just be the last part of the URL. And then the third place is you can go right here. And you can copy the ID. So if you're trying to hyperlink to, to this say this particular profile, then you would just click that. And then the ID would be in, in the clipboard. Denise, you, you have some wisdom to add to that. Oh, no, you, you've got to just fine. Great job. Okay. All right. Thank you. My favorite shortcuts actually. Yeah. I've started using it a lot. And then, for instance, if I were to go to myself, you can do this. Okay. So, so here your own, it's good to just go your own wiki tree ID, and sort of be able to travel it off. So here again here it's at the top of this menu list, as well as in. So, Steve, what was, what was the question that was asked in the chat? Well, the first question was, what are projects and I basically answered that they can focus on certain subjects or geographic areas. Those seem to be the largest projects, but some of them are like maintenance projects like, you know, we have people that oversee certain things like the the cemetery or focus on cleaning up profiles. So I understand the focus apart. What do you do? Well, if you're, if you're a coordinator, you are gathering the information together so people can access it for research purposes, or you are coordinating other people that are working on certain tasks. So they might break down into different types of teams. So like, in the case of Germany project, we can have different people focusing on the different states of Germany, so not focusing on the entire country. And then those people that have the most interest or they have relatives that are, you know, in those areas can be the people that other people turn to for questions, you know, for research. And then we can build up space pages from that, which are, you know, free space pages. We can write anything about that can also add more information to, you know, what we have a wiki tree about a given subject. It can goes on and on. I mean, is there a leader that assigns all these tasks or. Right. Or several leaders. Yeah. Yeah, some of the projects. The Taiwan project right now has a mighty three people. So, we just need, you know, one, one, one coordinator, but for instance, the England project is massive. And so they have a leadership team. So, so do you just go to that page and see what's going on. Yeah, so let's go to project. Let's take a look under the find menu, which anyone can, we all have it, you'll have projects. And then, as Steve said, some of them are geographical. So, and these are put alphabetically. And with the geographical projects, I would say, just to be very broad. The goal is to make sure that every profile that falls under the umbrella of that project geographically is the best that it can be. And a lot of the do do week long challenges. For instance, okay, everybody, let's, let's spend the week and let's try and work on this list of profiles from our area that don't have a birth location. Or I know the England project right now is doing something with the Royal Society of Musicians. It's a partnership sort of thing where they are trying to make sure that every person in the Royal Society of Musicians has a wiki tree profile. That it's connected to the big tree and the society in turn has agreed to allow wiki tree to use the images, you know, photographs so that the profiles have photographs. Really, the sky's the limit. Some of the projects do very creative things. In addition to that, some of them may have teams for the connect-a-thon or the source-a-thon. So, you know, the Germany Genies is a sub team of Germany projects. A lot of us that are part of the project that have the time to do the 72-hour marathon and connect profiles or, you know, clean up profiles related to the German people. So, again, that's another approach. Yeah. And we're going to talk about the thons. Steve said connect-a-thon and source-a-thon. We're going to talk about that a little later on. But so as you're going through this list, if you're interested in any particular project, you can just click on it and it will take you to the project page. And then you can find out who are the leaders. Now, the process for joining any project is going to be the same. No matter what the project is, there's going to be a link to a G2G welcome post. And you just click on that. I'll go ahead and do that. And then what you would do is you would answer this post. And then that gets the attention of the France project leaders. And, well, they will be in touch and award you a badge. Thank you. You're welcome. And just, let's see, there are other projects that are not geographically based, like Steve said. One called Remember the Children, which is dedicated to making sure that those who died young are commemorated with the best profile that is possible. And I have a feeling Denise could speak better to the US Black History Project than I can. Denise, would you speak about that? Yes, the US Black Heritage Project would fall under the topical category. We have topical projects as well out there in Wiki Tree and US Black Heritage is one of those topical projects, meaning we're focusing on the specific topic of African Americans. Black Heritage also extends beyond the United States, but for the US Black Heritage Project, we're just focused on what's going on here within the United States. We're also collaborating with and working with, there's a team that is putting together Africa. There's some folks in Australia that are trying to put a team together for the, I don't want to call them African Americans because they're not. They're African descent that have migrated to that country. So there's projects all around the world. And the US projects, United States projects has some sub-projects that's covering a lot of that as well. Global projects is what they call them. Why can I not find USBH? I thought it would be under in the middle section. Is it a sub of the United States? It's a sub-project of the United States, but it's also falling under that topical section. They're in alphabetical order or supposed to be, so you need to do US, so they would be close to the very bottom. Yeah. President's society is it's not there. That's a problem. Yeah. It's not there. Why are you not in the project page? I'm sure we're there. We just have to find it is not recognized correctly. Is it on that page? Where do we look in? Oh, I'm sorry. What I did was I went under the United States. Oh, you did. Okay. So that's something we learned tonight that may be beneficial to break that one out separately for the topical ones in addition to the geographical overlap. You can see that it's not obvious. You have to go through the US project. I still don't know where it is. And, and that is one thing that people say about wiki tree is it can be easy to get lost and hard to find things. My analogy was when I first joined wiki tree was it felt like I had walked into this, this mansion, not even a mansion. I can't like, you know, 200 rooms and I dare to leave the entryway because I thought if I leave, if I go down this hallway, I'll never find my way back. So, but, but explore. At the same time, I mean, we can change it. That's the best thing about the wiki is that, you know, it can be brought to the forward now. Now they probably did it like this because every state has its own sub project, and they may have clustered in. Yeah, there it is US black heritage. There we go. The other ones are on that page, which is weird, like sovereign colonies or the other pages that were in that list, right. Yeah, I'm not sure why that's not on the main project page. So, yeah, there's a there's a video here that was part of our wiki tree day presentation in the fall and usb h is actually doing this really wonderful project ongoing project to document every African American who is situated in the 1880 census. And not just to make sure that they have a wiki tree profile, but that they are linked by family. Yeah, as much as possible. And so I was able to find entries from the census in my the town where I grew up. I am doing my little bit. And it's, it's fascinating, you know, because I'm recognizing location. Yeah, and that will go a long way to to connecting to the main tree as well. Starting with the 1880 census we do that so that we can actually have a family nucleus, the 1870 census there's no guarantee when you see people listed together in the same dwelling. There's no guarantee that they're actually related. So in the 1880 census, we do have documentation of how they are related or connected to the head of household. And then it clearly states their role. Exactly their relationship. Good. And, and just to speak to a broader question, why, why join a project. I think that the projects on wiki tree are one of the best ways to to get to know people in the community. It's it's a big community and a million, a million members. So you have to find your little niche somewhere. And it might as well be folks who share similar research interests. And then also there's the collaborative helpful effect of having a little group of wiki, little corner wiki tree where you hang out and you know people and help each other out. So I highly recommend joining the project or two. Some of some of them have training trails, Canada does England does Scotland does. Yeah, we do as well. We've got what we call the past. Yeah. Yeah. And so that will pair you with a more experienced wiki tree here and generally work through Denise how many do you work through on your on the path. It's really based on what the user needs because we have varying experience levels. Some people are new to brand new to wiki tree. So they take a little more encouraging and stepping through some of the basic skills. And then we have those that have a little bit more experience so we just show them what's necessary to create profiles for slave or slave owners. Because we do some special things in those categories. And the guides are really there just to help each individual based on what their needs are. Yeah. So, I highly, I highly recommend the projects. Well, there we could we could actually easily talk about events and projects the whole time but let's let's look at some profiles. I haven't been looking at the chat while we've been talking. I'm trying to keep up as best I can. All right, thank you Steve. You have some what your specific questions. Can you give us a profile ID that you'd like us to look at. I, I don't I'm just learning how to that number so I'm going to say no I don't have that answer. Okay, are you looking at the profile that you have a question about. I just have your screen up right now I guess I don't know how to have my. Oh, along with yours. So we can follow through on that. Do you know the name of the person and their rough birth year. Yes. Okay, so let's let's show everybody how to do a search which is a valuable thing. You can either do it from the home page or the top of any page. So, okay, Mona, go ahead. Jim Connelly. Okay. See oh and then. Well, I have, I have just one in. Okay. Okay. Two else. I only have one. Okay. You know, in many ways, I don't know that I have a correct spelling. Okay. So I have C O N E L. I have C O N L E Y. Oh, okay. Okay, Connelly. All right, so we're going to search now. Click the little magnifying glass. Now, I do have his birth date. Okay, so let me show you see now we have a somewhat large number of hits. What you're going to what I'm going to do is I'm going to sort these by birthday. I'm going to put those in chronological order. And then Mona, what's what's the birth year. 1883 Dublin, Ireland. Okay, going down. Let's go on to the next page. Yes. 1883. I have this on a census record and that's another one of my questions. Okay. So while you're looking, I will ask so. I have everything on paper and I'm just now adding in. Because of that, I don't have hyperlinks to reference material. Which I understand, of course, is extremely important to verify. So if I just put like, you know, 1850 census, is that okay? We need to have a URL. Yeah, you, it would be best. It would be best to, to, to find that find it on family search. And it's not, it's not that hard to do. Just a copy and paste it in. Yeah, yeah, we can, we can work through an example. So now here I've got colleagues. I don't see anyone in Dublin. I do have his wife's name. Okay. I don't, it's, you know, I can't pair it. You do recognize any of these names here? No, no. And in the profile does exist on wiki tree. Yes, I have it on my tree. Okay. It's your, your, you're the profile manager. Correct. Okay. Let me just let me. If we want to take another question, actually. Murray Murray came in. As far as you. Yeah. I was thinking that we had some questions about DNA. I'm interested in that too. Yeah. Yeah. Mona, I'm going to go off screen. Find the profile from your watch list. And then we can look at it again. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You okay to talk. Talk to you. I am. Everyone, this is Mary. Hello, everyone. Gene, would you be able to mute yourself? I'm getting a lot of background on yours. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, everyone. Hi, Lori. So I do a lot of work with, with DNA and DNA. Confirmations and trying to find stuff and like that. So obviously people have lots of questions about DNA. So. Where do you want to start? Can I ask one? Please. Obviously you don't do the testing on wiki tree. So if you've done the testing somewhere else. Yep. How, how do you integrate that anywhere here in wiki tree? Let me show you. Oh, I need to make you a co-host. Okay. Hang on. And. There you go. Okay. And let's see where is my. Just want safari. Oh, there we go. So I'm screen sharing. So I'm going to go to my own profile. Now. The thing about DNA. On wiki tree is. You can only do your own. So once you've taken a test. Then you want to go to the ad menu. And it says add DNA. And so. You go there and it's going to say, okay, DNA tests. And, and, you know, yours will be blank. Yours will be empty. If you haven't done it yet, right? But we're going to, we're going to pretend that. All those aren't there and we're going to say, okay, there's, there's what you would get if you were just starting fresh. Okay. And what you want to do is. You want to tell us you want to tell wiki tree and everybody on wiki tree. Which DNA tests you've taken. And so the first thing to do is you want to tell us tell us what company. So I assume. Most people. Have done an ancestry test. That's the starting point for most people. And so. When you do, when you do this, so you're going to say you've done an ancestry DNA test. And you want to enter your. Your, your, your name as it occurs in. An ancestry. And so for me, it's most 17. And. I do happen to have a G. D. Match number. I don't remember it off the top of my head. So I'm not going to enter it right now. But basically. That's the data that you want to for ancestry. That's the data you want to have. You just want to say, I've done an ancestry DNA test. There's my name on ancestry. And then add the test. Just press that button. And it'll, it'll then compute and within 24 hours. That information will be propagated out to your parents. And your great, great grandparents, etc. And it'll just propagate up the tree so that you'll see your name on lots of places where. You know, you have potential matches. So that's for the ancestry DNA one. The other most common one. That, that people do. Is FT DNA. And there's, there's three kinds of tests. You can take it FT DNA. So you've got the. Yeah, there it is. So family tree, the family finder. So that's your basic DNA test. And that's where you, where you compare autosomal. DNA. And. And so. If you've got, if you've done it. Test it at family tree. It's comparable to the one that you've done at ancestry. The other thing that you can do, just in case you don't know this, if you've done a test at ancestry, you can download. The results of your test. As a file. And you can later upload that to family tree. To my heritage or to. Sorry, what's your name? Three and the. GD match. Oh, okay. Yeah. So there's the common places where you would upload your DNA. So anyway, so I, so I could say that I was at that. I have a kit at family tree. A family finder kit. And it would want my number. So I happen to know that my. It is. I am. Geez, no, I don't remember it. I know somebody else's though. So I'm just going to put hers in. That's one of my cousins. And again, I could put in, I could put in the GD match number. So that you'd be able to find. And again, you just hit add test. And now that's added. So then the next one. It will do mitochondrial. So with a mitochondrial. When you, when you do a DNA test. A mitochondrial DNA test, you get. Part of your result is a haplo group. And we want you to tell us what that is. So, for example, my. Mine is H minus G. One, three, seven, eight, nine. I think it is. So that's, that's my. MTD and a haplo group. And it's going to want to know what kind of tests that I take. So there's, there's, there's three kinds of tests. HBR one, HBR two and full sequence. And I think these days. Nobody's really doing the HBR one and HBR two tests. Those were, those were tests that were done. You know, five years ago and before that people, people had the options to do those tests, but I don't even think that option is available anymore. So anyway, you tell that you've done a full sequence test. And if you happen to have copied your DNA over to mito Y DNA, you can put the ID there. But if you haven't, that's okay, you don't need to worry about that. And again, you hit add test. And then. And then we could do a Y chromosome test. So here I'm an R minus. Yeah, our, our minus. And two, six, nine, I think of mine. Hey, that's mine. Same as yours. I don't know, but certainly Irish or Germanic. Yes. So I had, I tested for 111 markers. And there's lots of different tests. So you can test for, you know, 39 or 67. Anyway, there's, there's a variety of different tests that you can do. And of course, each of those tests, it increases in cost. The standard, the new standard test is doing the Y 700. I've done the, I've done the Y 111. I haven't done the Y 700 yet, but my cousin has. So we know what our family group is at the Y 700 level. Again, with the mito Y DNA. Right, you want to put that information in if you've done it, but if you haven't, then don't, don't worry about that. It's not, not nothing you have to do. So this is how you entered the information. So now let me show you what happens. So just a second, I'm going to go quit something. My computer is running slower than. And I wanted to clarify if people are asking what mito Y DNA is again, that's another website. Like get match that will focus on just the Y and the mitochondrial. So again, Y is for your father's father's father. And mitochondrial is for your mother's mother's mother. So those go off in those two different directions. And then autosomal will cover the entire spectrum of all of your genetic information that's coming out. So hopefully that clarifies what we're talking about here, the different types of DNA. Thank you. No problem. So, so what I end up with after I've entered my DNA information, is you can see that my DNA connections list. There's me. There's my, my 111 markers. My haplo group RM 269. Well, there's my kit number. And I happen to have copied over to mito Y DNA. And my cousins Eddie and Nick. I've also done theirs. And they've copied theirs to mito Y DNA. And I've also done theirs to mito Y DNA. On the mitochondrial side, I'm the only one in this family group who has done an empty DNA test. And then here I am in the autosomal. And I'm showing my ancestry DNA tests. Where my kit number at GD match. My, my ancestry member name, my family tree DNA family finder. And I've also, yeah, so I've got, and then there's my cousin, Janice. She's my first cousin once removed. And she did her tests. And so now if I, if I now go up my tree. Let's start with my dad. And we'll go. Oh, see now I got to my dad's tree and we've already added. Kathy brochette. Kathy's a cousin of mine. But she's a little further distant than Janice is. But her DNA reaches as far as my father. So she would have had it. She would have been a DNA match with my father. If they had, if my father had tested, they might have found a match. But then again, maybe not. Right. It's not certain that you're going to match with somebody just because they have the potential to match. And now I've moved up to my grandfather. And you can see now that I've added a couple of more people to the list. So I'm going to go to Belinda and she's a cousin who lives here in town. And then Marcel. And I've never met Marcel. I don't know who he is, but now say I'm able to go and look in my DNA matches. Do I have DNA matches with Belinda and Marcel? Did that, did that answer your question? Yes. Sorry, I was muted. It does, it does answer my question about how to enter it. You said I could only enter the DNA information, the DNA test for myself. Yes. Okay. So go ahead. Well, let me, so let me explain that. So, so basically every profile for a living person on wiki tree has to be owned by that person. Their email. Okay. And, and, and they have the rights to, you know, do whatever they want on their profile. If you add the profile of a living person, let's say your sister or your brother or somebody like that. Okay. Okay. Let's, let's, let's use my 93 year old mother-in-law as an example. Okay. So your, your, your mother-in-law. So you've had, let's say you add that, add your mother-in-law onto wiki tree and, um, but she hasn't joined herself. You just added to the tree. Okay. Correct. Now that, that profile is now visible to you, but it's not visible to anybody else. That's a private profile. Okay. That's hidden from the rest of the world. But it's, but it's on the term is unlisted. Because she's living, because she's living. Correct. Yeah. Now, now you can assign her profile to her. Assuming that she has an email address. Which she may not. And what you do is you go down. Let me just get in here. Oh no, she, he's dead. That's why it's not there. Never mind. I would have to do it on a living person. And of course that would expose the living person. So I better not do that. Basically. When you go into edit at the, at the bottom of the data entry, you'll see a place where you can enter the email, email address of a living person. And once you do that. Yes. And yet edit field. In fact, I'll show you mine. I'm not sure. I'm following along on my computer. Okay. So. So as a result, you know, that. That profile that you've created for your mother-in-law. That's not her profile. She doesn't own it. You do. You don't have permission to add her DNA information to that. Now you may, you may have a conversation with your mother. You may have a conversation with your mother. She may give you permission. She may even send you an email. She may get have her lawyer. Send you a notice saying that you have permission. But on wiki tree. That means nothing. Okay. And wiki tree. You can, you can add the. You can add your own information. Now I do understand that it is possible. To add DNA information for other people under certain circumstances. And I'm guessing. That Steven knows what those circumstances are. Do you? Well, one of the questions that just popped up is if Hannah was asking, can she add the DNA test information for her to see his parents? They're already dead. Can she add the information for them? And, and. So. I don't know. I believe, I believe that I've been told, yes. But I don't, I don't find myself in that situation. I don't find myself in that situation. I don't find myself in that situation. But I don't, I don't find myself in that situation. So I've never. Had to exercise that. Yeah. But, but yes, I've seen various places on this board, I think, where, you know, yes, you can do that. But I don't know what the circumstances are. So. You might have to ask wiki tree team for permission to. Go through that route potentially. Maybe. You know, because they may be able to override something, but, but again, it's not a standard. It's not a usual situation. You would usually have your DNA uploaded for yourself. You would just lose one step of data. But yeah, I mean, that's something to ask wiki tree team. Okay. I, you know what I'll do, I promise that I'll find out this week. And on our next session, I will know the answer to that. Awesome. How secure is the DNA that you upload. So you never upload any DNA. So you, you saw that all you did there was. You, you, you said where, where, where your DNA kid is. And what the ID of your kid is. This is the actual test. Sorry, Murray. No, go ahead. What are you uploading? You're not uploading anything. You don't, you never upload anything. So Bonnie, you're creating a link from another site. So the third party sites that do receive the information would be either a Mido Y DNA for again, the, the Y DNA or the mitochondrial DNA, or again match, which would be for your autosomal DNA. So again, you can access those tests when you log in. And the only people that would really be able to see it are those people that match pretty close to you. Yeah. You know, so, so the people that are looking at it should be the people who are also doing genealogy research. And then in order to tie it to wiki tree, the data is not, you know, out there in the open, but we can still connect those dots and we can figure out who our cousins are for those conditions. Does that make sense? Yeah. Thank you. So the, the uploads I was speaking of earlier that those are, you know, if you've done a test at, at ancestry or family tree, and I believe maybe even my heritage, you're, you're generally able to download your, your, your, your, your result from there and upload it to the other sites. Right. So you might, you might download it from ancestry and upload it to GED match. You might download it from ancestry and upload it to my heritage or, or to FT DNA. Now what, so what, why would you do that? And the answer is there's different populations in each of those, in each of those sites. So ancestry has the biggest population by far, like probably, you know, 10 times what the others have all together. So, you know, if you're trying to find a DNA match, the best bet is to take a test at, at ancestry. However, there's a lot more Europeans on my heritage. Well, when I say there's a lot more Europeans, there's a lot of Europeans on my heritage that I don't find on ancestry. On family tree, you find people who have done mitochondrial and YDNA tests and they, they, they thought, what the heck, I might as well do an autosomal test too. Right. So you, so you can go to each of these sites to find matches and then you come back to WikiTree and say, I wonder where they are on WikiTree. And sometimes they'll even tell you, they'll leave a, leave a marker to say, you know, here's my WikiTree so you can find my tree. Not everybody does that. Another fun feature on WikiTree is if you want to quickly identify your cousins, we have a button and it's called my cousins. And that could be a very quick way to identify who those people are you share DNA with. So then when you're searching for them on those DNA websites, you know, you might be able to identify a match. Pulling it up right now, actually. So there's, there's, there's the list of cousins for me. And I just, I just went here and here. And we only added that in what the last two years. It's a relatively new feature. So in that my WikiTree menu. Yep. There's a choice that says family tree. Yes. And I'm, I'm putting in profiles regularly. And I kind of expected that family tree to populate with the profiles that I'm putting in, but it's not doing that. I have to go in there and manually add people. Is, am I doing something wrong? Well, so, so let's, let's talk about what you just said. You've been adding profiles. Yeah. And so, for example, you added your parents and your grandparents, right? Right. And you're saying you can't, you don't see them. In the tree. That's right. I've got my parents, some of them showed up, but like my great grandparents aren't showing up. And I don't know what's going on. You said that you were doing a get a com upload as well. Bonnie. Yeah. And I, I know I've gotten through. Dad come grandparents and stuff like that. Okay. So let's, let's, let's review the sort of the steps that you need to do to make, to build your tree. Okay. So there, there's my tree. Okay. There's my dad. And my mom. And his parents and her parents. And the grandparents, et cetera. Right. See how they're all connected. So let's look at what it took to do that. So first I created my profile. And then I created profiles for each of my parents. And I had, then I had to, on my profile, I had to tell wiki tree who these people were. Right. So it, you know, usually that says add parent. If you haven't filled it in. And so as you're moving up. So let's, let's use my mom as an example. In fact, let's, let's use her. Her mother. And her mother. Now we don't know who dots as parents were. So you can see here that it says daughter of father and mother. And we don't know who they are. Okay. That's. So I, I haven't created profiles for those two people. And I haven't attached them because I haven't created them. Right. But if we go back. You'll see that. My, my grandmother has two parents. So those are two profiles that I created and I attached. So there's, there's two steps involved, right? You have to first, you have to create a profile for the person that you want to add. And you've got to add them. Now, sometimes you do that in a single step. Right. You use, for example, let's go, let's go ahead back to Dotsa. And so if I wanted to add a father, I could, I could go here and say add new person. And then come back and, and, and give it an ID. Or I can go here and say create a new profile. Right. And so if I create a new profile, it's going to take me to the whole process of creating a new person. But if I say connect to an existing profile, then if I've created a profile out of band, I can now say, okay, I know the ID for the, the person I want to add as, as her father. So I'm just going to put in that ID and I'm just going to make one up right now. Actually, I'm just going to make it me. Oops. That way you can see what it does. So it's a grandfather paradox, Murray. Yeah, I know. But anyway, so, so the point is that I can type in an ID here and it shows me who that is. So just so I can verify that I've got the right person. And then I can say, okay, continue. I'm going to add, I'm going to add Murray as, as the, as the father of, of his own grand, great grandmother. Yeah. Right. Please don't do that. So I guess I think I've done all of those things, but I'll just have to figure it out. So, okay. So, so let me go back to me. So I'm going to go back to me here. And so when I'm on my profile, what I typically do is I go to this button here, ancestors. You can, you can use that, that family tree button, but this is, this gets you to the same place. Okay. So there's my ancestors. Maybe we should go to hers and see what is showing up because if she's not connected to the parents, then we need to still make those connections. What's your, what's your ID? H-I-L-L-E-R, like Hillary. Yeah. Yeah. One, two, five, six. That's cool. I think a lot more of those, honestly. Okay. And you've got your parents attached. And let's see what you got here. There's your tree. You're all right. Hmm. Oh, wow. Maybe it takes a while to populate. Oh, would you, were you within the 24 hours? I might have been. Okay. Cause it may take 24 hours to make certain connections, especially if you're doing JEDCOM. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Cause it may take 24 hours to make certain connections, especially if you're doing JEDCOM confirmation. Is this all the farther it goes? Oh, no. Continue on with the little buttons on the side. Oh, I see. Your, your Hiller line continues. Let's see. Burton Berg. Your Hiller line goes back to 1753. So far. So far. Yes. And I have ancestors from, from, uh, from. I, uh, bottom Burton Berg. Wow. I think a lot of us do. Yeah. A lot of these places are looking familiar to me. Cause I have a lot of German heritage. Yeah. West German, uh, West precious showing up there in the bottom as well. Yeah. Are you, are you aware that there are other ways to look at your tree? Um, Oh, you mean the orientation? Oh. So here, for example, is the super tree. Oh gosh. Is your computer going to be able to handle that Murray? I think we're okay. Steve, I, I, I closed down the discord. So I think we're okay. Oh yeah. Discord does lag me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So here, so here's the super tree. And so there you are. And we can increase the number of generations. Of ancestors and takes a little while because it's retrieving a lot of information. It's not just your direct ancestors that it's retrieving. Okay. And I can keep going if I want. Um, so that's one way. And then another way. Is the fan chart. Oh yes. And again, you can add, add as many generations. I think it goes up to seven. Seven. Yeah. Wow. And there's lots of cool to get the 10 actually. Oh, is it 10? I think I can get the 10. Yeah. Very tiny. Plus, if you have some pedigree collapse, you can actually identify those in this fan chart as well. Yeah. Pedigree collapse again is where some of your ancestors may be interbearing into each other. Also knows incest. So sometimes it happens in very deep families when you go back to the 1700s and 1600s. And the areas are people are not moving around as much. So. Yeah, in fact, I can demonstrate that. No, I'd have to go too far back. I love all the photos that are on here. Yeah. I don't have any photos. Yeah, we can't. No, I'd have to go too far back for you to see the endogamy. Yeah. So endogamy or pedigree collapse is when, when you go back far enough in your tree and you find that your grandparents on one line are the same as your grandparents on another line. Yeah. Sometimes, sometimes it can be, you know, like, you know, six or eight generations back. Royal Alliance and a Tennessee to do this. Right. And founder population. So especially, you know, 1600s in New England and 16 to 1700s in Quebec. The great American bottleneck, I like to call it. They just weren't, they weren't moving around. They're all in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island. And that was before we started expanding Westward. Yeah. And then the other thing, just with respect to DNA, I should have done that just to help you see things with DNA. Your fan chart tool is pretty handy because it's got a feature here where you can show your X, Y and M T DNA inheritance paths, or you can just, you can focus on one in particular. So I'm just going to, I'm going to go with the group. Skip the ancestors. We're going to close that and just add a generation. And so you can see that on me, you got a Y and X and an M T showing. Okay. Now on my mother, you got an X and an M T showing. And on my father, you got a Y show. And the Y travels up the paternal path. And the M T travels up the maternal path. And then you can see that the X, I don't get any X from my father's side because I'm a guy. So I get X's from my mother's side, whereas women get it from both sides. So for example, Dina got X from her mother and her father. But Petra only got X from his mother. And I of course only got X from my mother. But you can see how the, how the, the DNA is inherited here. And this is especially helpful if you're trying to figure out an X DNA match, which in theory sounds really great. But I've never encountered an X DNA match except with my brother. And so none of this was really very helpful to me. But if you're one of the rare few who gets into that snaggle with an X DNA match, then, then this is a useful tool for you because as you can see the X DNA inheritance is kind of weird compared to the other, other forms of DNA. So these sort of, yes, yes. I noticed that it's nine o'clock already and I filled most of your time with DNA talks. So I just wanted to make sure that. That's okay. We will go just a little while longer. I'll limit it to two things. And I will say that there were so many fantastic questions tonight. And if we didn't get you to the answer you needed, please reach out to me or Steve. I can answer a couple of the things from the chat. So Mona's asking, can you print those charts out? Yes. They should be printable. Yes. Let's see here. How do you attach a profile? I think we showed that earlier tonight. I don't know where. Go ahead. What was that Mona? Murray, can I take over the screen? Yes, please. Yes. Okay. There you go. Okay. Thank you. So I just want to show you all that. When, when you want to reach an individual member. If you want to send me a private message, you can send me a private message. And I said, I'm happy to help you. And I put my profile ID in there. So you would just go to my profile. And then. Scroll down to this box. And then you'll see that you can send me a private message. So that's how you would, I mean, that's one of several ways. I mean, you could also apply to the G to G poster. But this is like a quick way to get directly to, to the G poster. Okay. Now I saw that Chris, Chris Wine had put in the chat about. Let's see, I need the chat because I want to put a link in there. Let's see where's, where's the chat? I found it. Okay. So I did a. A cheat sheet. And there's the link. And this is, there's no magic here. And I accumulated wisdom over, you know, doing several training trails and, and, you know, I organized it all together. So Chris was asking about how to cite a book. And I'm going to assume, well, I mean, but many books that we cite are online on internet archives, Google books, et cetera. But we may be citing from, you know, physical paper books as well. Oh, you know what this is? These are both for digital copies. But I have, so there are two examples of how to cite digital books. I will say that wiki tree likes Chicago style. So if you just Google Chicago style book citation, it's a very simple little template. You probably remember it from high school papers, you know, where you put the author's name and the book title, the publisher location, the publisher and the, the data publication and the page number. Boom, you're done. And if it's not perfect, that's okay. The main thing is that somebody be able to get to the same information. Yeah, Murray, what were you going to say? I was, that's what I was going to say. You know, there's AAP. There's, there's Chicago style. There's all kinds of different styles of writing a citation. The most important thing is that you write a citation. Somebody may come along later and rewrite your citation. And you should be happy about that because they've improved it. But, but the most important thing is that you get a citation in there so that somebody else can figure it out. And if it's not perfect, don't worry about it. I'm a librarian and I know that online you can find citation generators. Yes. You just plug in the information and it pops out a citation that you can copy and paste. Wow. And we have a tool for that. Yeah. I wish they had that and what we have sourcer, which would, would that work for a book? Yes. I mean, that's okay. It works on, it works on Google books anyway. And he's also added a tool so that you can create a citation from scratch. It just gives you all the fields and you just fill in the fields that are appropriate. Yeah. The way you go. So what we're talking about is a free browser extension that I highly recommend. It will help you search for sources. And then it will help generate a citation for sources in an extremely painless manner. So it's, it's marvelous. So the help page that I just put up there will give you all the instructions on how to find it added to your. Yes. I like it. I love it. I love it. It is, it's making my whole place a lot better. Yeah. A lot easier to do my sort of profiles. All the different events that we have all the funds and so forth. Oh, I love it. Thank you. Thank you, Marie. Great user review. Can we use that? And just since and brought up funds. I'd like to close with talking about a brand new thawing team, especially for new members. And those who have never done a thawing before. So you might not even know what a thawing is. We have two kinds of thawing. One is a source of thawing where we, we go to profiles that don't have any sources and we, we add a source. But the more frequent kind of thawing is connect a thawing. And that is what's coming up the weekend of April 12 through 15. And the goal of the new team is it's about learning and camaraderie, camaraderie, not high scores. So I as the captain, I don't care if you only do one profile the whole weekend. If you learn from it and you feel good about it, then that that's a win. So we're going to offer extra support for the members of the new team. So that to that point, there's going to be a zoom to get organized the week before the thawing. So the Thursday before the actual event. And then we'll also have a mid thawing hangout. The goal of connect a thawing is to add to existing profiles. So say your grandparents are already on wiki tree. So you can add on to them by adding their parents, or adding their siblings, the spouses of their siblings, and so on just just building out the tree. And if you were to think about it from a point standpoint, each profile you add gets you one. But we're not we're not going to worry about that at all. We're going to talk about how, how do you find that starting point. How do you add new profiles to put to an existing one. How to find sources. How to add a photo. If you have one categorization and what that is and why it's helpful in your profile. Yeah. Again, how to collaborate with your teammates. We're going to use the two big platforms that wiki tree uses, which are discord discord is a live chat platform it's it's all free and very, very user friendly and fun. And of course G to G, which because you're all here. I know you know what G to G is. So, if you want to sign up and I hope you do because besides, I haven't caught up with the registrations, but we have, I think, two more people and we have some experienced wiki players who have volunteered to help out. But let me put the, the, the join link in there. So let's take a quick. No, quick look at that. Oh, thank you. I got it. I got that from a win. Just perfect. So there is the G to G post I just put it in the chat. And when you go to that, you're going to see all these different teams. So you go. Well, you'll, you'll look for an answer that is new team. They're all alphabetical. And then you just answer, you just comment on the new answer and just say, I want to join and then I'll take care of the rest. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Any other, any other questions. Mona, I will say I, I looked on your watch list, and I found, I found a different Conley. I did not, I found Kate Conley. I did not find Jim Conley on your watch list. Is Kate related to Jim? Well, maybe. I'm guessing. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Kate is his daughter. Okay, Kate is his daughter. I'm just stuck. I can't go back any farther from him. I have his wife, and I cannot go back any farther on her either. Okay, so it looks like you haven't added either Jim or his wife. You see, it says father and known mother unknown. So you haven't, you may, I'm sure you have the research on another place, but they're not on wiki tree. Well, they're not connected on wiki tree. We don't know whether she, she may have created the profiles and hasn't connected them yet. Okay. Yeah. So if you want to, if you want to, you know, send, send me some questions, I'll do my best to help. Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. Sure. Sure. All right. Well, we have another of these coming up on Sunday. March 24. Right Sunday, March 24. Yes. At 11. Okay. So I'm going to start in the morning. Eastern daylight time. I believe that's three PM UTC. And please come back. And well, if we didn't get to your question, we can get to it Sunday or in the meantime, if you can't wait, send, send, send a message. And keep wicking, treating on. Thank you so much. Thank you for attending everyone. You're welcome. Take care. Thank you.