 So then you guys have the, you know, the northern lights of summer, right? Well, not that far south, because we're really in the south of Finland, and that happens in the north. He's not near Santa. Got it. Yes, I'm very far from Santa's house. But you still have some, you have some nice long days ahead. We have nice long days, absolutely. We also get like the snow was super nice because it snowed so much, you really had that winter wonderland look of the branches on the trees were all snowy and it was sometimes really sunny and the snow was still there. It was wonderful scenery, like dreamlike. It's just that it's good. But it's like a month or two and not more, because by now it's, I guess I told you that a few weeks ago, literally, we don't know where to put the snow, like the plow that there's a dude with a tractor that comes to plow the snow away from the path. Too much. And yeah, it's, there's so much of it at some point it was like, as what do we do with it? Like, where do we put it? There's no place. There's no room. There's no landfill during the winter. Literally, that's what, and in Helsinki, we went to Helsinki a couple of weeks ago before it started to let up. There was so much snow that they were pushing, you know, on the side of the streets. There were no more places to park. Like literally, let's say a third of the parking spots were now snow piles. And when you have a third of the parking spots that disappear from a city like European city equivalent to Eastern cities in the US, it's a problem. You can't park. It becomes chaos. So yeah, that was. That's when you need a land rover and you just drive over the snow and just park on top. All right. Well, let's, let's take a break for a daily tech news show. Shall we? Shall we? Yep. Roger. Yes. At least convincing. Yes. Yes. He'll do it anyway. I suppose. I have a status. All right. Here we go. In three, two. Matthew Bradkovich has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Matthew. Become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, February 19th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. And from the slowly thawing fields of Finland. I'm Patrick Beja. And I'm the show's producer from somewhere in LA County, Roger. And we are very happy that Patrick is thawed out and ready to talk to us today because we have some news about Google getting into game streaming, which I find quite intriguing, Patrick. And I know you've been following this and can explain it to us. Absolutely. All right. I can do it now in one sentence. Wait, wait. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Oh, this is a good one guys. Samsung's new foldable phone will be called the Galaxy Fold. Surprise. Evan Blass, a.k.a. Leaks on Twitter, who is very deep in Samsung Leaks, reported details about that and that Galaxy S10 family of devices ahead of tomorrow's launch. But Samsung itself ran a TV commercial airing prematurely, supposedly in Norway, that backed up the claims. Among the things shown in the commercial are a whole punch style for the front-facing camera, an in-screen fingerprint reader, and the ability to wirelessly charge another device. Wait, you said supposedly. Do you think Samsung intentionally leaked this themselves? Because they're like, why not? Evan Blass is going to leak everything anyway. I don't know. You're right. No, I think it could be intentional. Everyone's going to be looking forward to it now. I don't think you can really run a TV ad unintentionally. Well, somebody's wrong. There's so many things to go into. You, right? I mean. Okay. So, okay. My suppose is these things. Walmart's latest earnings report US sales up 4.2% over the same time last year and a 43% rise in e-commerce sales in the US, beating analysts' expectations. Walmart said the strong e-commerce growth was due to the expansion of its grocery pickup and delivery businesses and broader offering on Walmart.com. And a follow-up to something we talked about on a previous DTNS ghostory published to study Friday showing theirs and other ad blocker extensions had sub millisecond impact on Chrome network requests using that to dispute the need to change how ad blocking extensions work in Chrome, which had been justified as helping performance. Chrome team has now withdrawn their plans to require extensions to use declarative net request APIs instead of the older web request API. Web request API is going to stick around for now. If you remember, that would have limited or broken how many ad blocking extensions worked. So, all that talk that we had ended up with ghostory convincing Chrome to pull it back and things are just going to stay for ad blocking extensions the way they have, at least for now. All right. Let's talk a little bit about an interesting use of streaming video going on in France, Patrick. Yeah. A number of French Twitch and YouTube channel producers have banded together to organize Le Grand Débaton, which is a French pun kind of funny, but anyway, inviting members of the French government to discuss social and political issues with citizens and influencers. The discussions were streamed on Twitch, mainly, and YouTube, and incorporated interactions with chat rooms. The initiative follows the unrest and gilet jaune movement and the country-wide Grand Débat that the government is organizing to consult the people over a period of several weeks. So, what's the pun? Right. That was my question, too. So, what's funny about this that we don't get it? All right. So, the Grand Débat is the title of that big debate consultation that the government is putting together. And the verb to debate, when said in the first person, first plural person, is Débaton. So, that means it's like the let's debate all of us together using the basic. It's a pun. You can't explain a pun in a different language. No, I get it. I mean, it doesn't make it funny doing your explanation. Trust me. But I get it now. I now understand. No context. Yeah. Yeah. So, the idea here being that while the government is doing its own events to extend the debate and have discussion about how France should work, this was an effort to kind of bring in younger folks, YouTube creators. What did this end up being? Yeah. I think what was noteworthy in this, it was an 11 hours of debate with members of the actual cabinet of the government. Not the president himself, but the prime minister also took part in some of it. And the interesting part was that there were a lot of actual content creators from YouTube aimed at young people, some political, some not political at all. There were Twitch streamers and, you know, citizens, students, high school students, et cetera, et cetera. And so, this is really an effort from the, from what I understand, from those Twitch and YouTube channel producers to get the youth interested in the debate about the future of the country. Now, whether or not it was an exercise in PR for the government, which some people have said, I think the initiative is interesting to go where the young people are. So, on a scale of from hello fellow teenagers to, hey, that's cool. Where did this fall? I think the format and the form was very cool. And I will let the substance of it to the appreciation of each person who will probably appreciate it differently depending on their political leanings. I think the format works surprisingly. And the people who participated in the debate, the creators and citizens had interesting questions and discussions. Well, another news, Amazon. Amazon's everywhere, but you might not know that it has operated a joint venture in China since 2004 as a way to buy imported goods. K-Jing reported Tuesday that Amazon is in talks to merge its China business with another cross-border shopping platform called Kaola, run by China's NetEase. Amazon had 6% of China's import shopping business well behind NetEase's Kaola, Alibaba's T-MailGlobal, and JD.com. Merging with Amazon would also be a way to boost Kaola's inventory. So, it seems like it's a match made in heaven. Yeah, neither one are commenting on this, but it does, it is interesting because Amazon would still hold a part of this. It's a merger and they're not selling it off. Amazon already has to operate as a joint venture as most foreign companies do in China. So, it's not like they aren't already involved with a Chinese company. And this would allow the Amazon venture to have access to Kaola's large market share. They're leading market share for people looking to shop for imported goods into China. And it would give Kaola access to all those imported goods that Amazon has. Amazon has access to a lot more goods than most Chinese companies. So, it does seem like it would be a win-win for these companies within China anyway. Agreed. Oh, I was just going to say, I see Netties and I think they invest in every game company that I hear of ever, either them or Tencent. This is their way to stay ahead of just in case that business, you know, they've reattended themselves multiple times and this is kind of the next step for them, I think. That's a good point. Wall-way founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei gave interviews to the BBC and CBS this week. He told the BBC, even if they persuade more countries, they meaning the U.S., not to use us temporarily, we can always scale things down a bit, saying he doesn't feel like Wall-way is under an existential threat. He also said, our company will never undertake any spying activities. If we have any such actions, then I'll shut the company down. He told CBS that it is not possible that the Wall-way equipment being used has a backdoor. However, on a separate note, not actually even conflicting with anything that he said, the information reports that its sources say a Wall-way engineer met with the maker of a sensor for the Apple Watch in order to press for details on how it was made. The supplier says it did not tell them anything, but the information says that apparently Wall-way rewards employees with bonuses pegged to the confidential value of information they collect for the company. Now, Wall-way said in response to this that it respects third-party intellectual property and requires suppliers to uphold a high standard of ethics. But it does, to me, Patrick, show that Wall-way being accused of spying on governmental accusations, easy for them to defend. They feel comfortable saying, no, we're not doing that. Wall-way being accused of intellectual property theft, however, possibly harder for them to deny. Yeah, I think those are really two very different issues. I would not be surprised if most Chinese companies and possibly many non-Chinese companies engage in IP appropriation. I don't want to say theft, but... And I do believe that it would be an entirely different issue to essentially open a backdoor for your government. Those are not the same. What the CEO is Ren Zhengfei is saying seems like all the things that he would be saying, except maybe I will shut the company down if we see a backdoor one day. That seems a little bit forceful. When they asked him about connections to the army and the government, he got a little quieter. He deferred a little bit on that. So, you know, it was clear which ones he felt very confident in answering and which ones he would have rather not have been asked. The Chinese trade minister is coming to Washington D.C. later this week to discuss trade negotiations. It's no accident that he is out here doing this campaign right now because I do think that there's a trade gambit going on that's part of this. And accusing Huawei of government cooperation is an easy one to sell to the public and get people upset about. Even if it's something that is less possibly true than good old-fashioned third-party intellectual property theft, which would be something you would negotiate in a trade negotiation. You want to whip up the public sentiment even if you're using it to fix a different problem. Which means we still don't know. Right. If I'm reading the tea leaves, the U.S. is going to come in and say, hey, you stop giving your employees bonuses for sensor tech from U.S. companies and we have a basis for an understanding here. I don't think they're as worried about backdoors in those negotiations as they are in public. You know, at this point I do feel like letting up on that accusation would be difficult. If all of a sudden they say, hey, we've negotiated a trade deal and we have agreements and now everything's fine. Go ahead, use Huawei equipment. It would discredit future accusations. Or would it? Or do you say we got assurances from them during these negotiations that there aren't any backdoors and we feel confident in that? Yeah, I feel like assurances that there aren't any wouldn't be good enough. And UK are saying they're fine with using Huawei equipment. It does look like Germany might agree. So, you know, there's a little leverage slipping there too. I will say that the British did say it was manageable. Yeah, no, that's the direct quote. You're right. Well, here's something that we do know for sure. Qualcomm announced the Snapdragon X55 5G modem, a follow-up to the first 5G modem, the X50. Qualcomm will begin to share the chip with its partners in the coming months with first devices shipping before the end of the year according to Qualcomm. The Snapdragon X55 has a theoretical maximum of 7 gigabits per second compared to 5 gigabits for the X50. It also has support for adaptive antenna tuning for its 6 GHz 5G, which helps power efficiency with some theory. And Qualcomm says that the X55's flexibility should make it easier and a better fit for devices beyond smartphones and Wi-Fi hotspots. A great example of why you shouldn't buy first generation equipment, right? Yeah, X50. We now have a better one. X50 is okay. The X55, it's going to be more compatible, it's going to have better speed. It's also another interesting point about it is it's going to be more useful for non-phone devices, for cars and other sort of internet of things type devices that are big enough to take advantage of a big modem like this, but it's going to be a little better architected as well. It feels like, in this case, if you had already bought or if you are now buying a device that is 5G compatible, it is really that you want to future proof it because you don't want to buy another one within five years. There is no 5G network anywhere. Almost. If you're buying a 5G modem right now for that reason, don't, because that's not going to be future proof. Well, I mean, the X50 is okay, but it's not going to work nearly as well as the X55, which you can get later this year. Yes, and the networks aren't, I'm guessing if you have to buy something now and you're thinking, well, 5G is going to happen at some point, I'd better get that one. But yes, it's not the best one you can get at the point that the 5G network is. It's because you just need or want to have it now. Want is more likely and that's where we get into the maybe you shouldn't. Yeah, for sure. Engineers at Rochester Institute of Technology have designed a toilet seat that can measure your sub-giggling. It's serious for me. Sorry, I've just been waiting for the story this entire time. Okay, keep going. A toilet seat that can measure your blood pressure, blood oxygen level and stroke volume every time someone sits on it. The engineers say it needs more testing, but so far it stands up to comparable hospital equipment like standard ECGs. Another problem to address is how to discard readings from when a user is actually using the toilet rather than just sitting, which can affect readings. If you're wondering why we have avoided the obvious puns in explaining this story is because the incomparable Beth Moll used them all in the article for Ars Technica. It's glorious. You must read Beth Moll's article. We have a link in the show. Go to ArsTechnica.com. I mean, the way she executed the use of the word privy in this article is just the master's really. It's interesting to understand that the toilet is trying to discern from are you just sitting on the toilet or are you actually using the toilet and when does anyone sit on the toilet when they're actually not using the toilet? I mean, that's a delicate way of saying there's when you're sitting and then when you're actually engaged in the activity that, you know, in other words, when you're sitting waiting to go that is okay reading when you're actually in the process of doing the things that you need to do on the toilet. Right. Tell me when you're pooping or peeing. It's fine. We're adults. We can say poo and pee. Yeah. I mean, that's there's toilet stuff. My whole thing is just like, I just, you know, if I'm if I want the toilet to measure me and it's doing a great job at doing it. Wonderful. But you don't want to sit on the toilet unless. No, no, no. You have to be there. Okay. The toilet now to take your heartbeat. This is taking advantage of the fact that there is some downtime between the time you sit. On the person. Execute. You don't need a lot. Okay. You just need some and in cases, especially in hospitals where people might not be able to wear a sensor and it would just be more convenient to have more frequent readings because that's something that a person would be going to do unless they're, of course, bedridden. Yeah, I think this is we're making we're joking because it's a joke easy topic. The goal is that you kind of don't need to worry about it. If it works the way it's supposed to, you just use the toilet as you would a few times a day. You don't worry about it and it takes your readings. So that's useful in that sense. The worry is on the part of the scientists who are researching this to figure out how do we make sure that we discard the useless data. There is some data that's polluted in there. We don't let that affect the other. Folks, if you want to get all the tech in about five minutes to keep up to date quickly subscribe to our sister show daily tech headlines.com and you will feel more up to date. Google sent out a press invite today to its keynote at the Game Developers Conference March 19th. That's not that big a deal. Google's always at the GDC. They always have some things to say, usually developer oriented because, hey, it's a Game Developers Conference. But this invite was intriguing people because it said like, you know, some vague things that sort of eluded that they might have more to say this time than usual. Well, sources are telling Fortune that the event will include the announcement of the launch of Project Stream. Project Stream is Google's up till now in development game streaming service and all you can play cloud based video game subscription service. You'd pay a certain amount of money probably a month. You get access to a bunch of games that they have the rights to and then you can play them on any device. This is very similar to PlayStation's service. The Shadow service that Patrick has talked about. Also, Fortune notes that we do have some rumors out there that Verizon, Apple, and Amazon are all expected to get into the same business here as well. Patrick, this has been your beat. You talked to us and introduced us to Shadow. You talked quite a bit on your shows like Pixel and monthly video game briefing about these streaming services. It does seem like we're hitting a new phase in this if Google gets into it. This could be the start of the real realization of this potential. We've been talking about game streaming for a very long time. In the past couple of years it seems like every company gaming company is investigating this possibility and it has stayed kind of vague or futuristic for a few years. Now, Google has tested it with Assassin's Creed Odyssey at the end of last year if you remember in a partnership with Ubisoft and I honestly didn't think it was going to be ready to announce anytime soon. But if they do that if they end up announcing it with a relatively quick release date availability date it would be important for two things. First, it actually starts the massive commercial offensive of the service and it puts Google which is not primarily a gaming company in direct competition with all of the platform holders meaning PlayStation Nintendo and Xbox are now have a competitor which doesn't even require you to own the device and that could be industry changing. Yeah, and it would put the marketing muscle behind it because you've convinced me that the Shadow Service is a pretty good service but I know a lot of people have questions about it. It also it isn't scaling the same as a cloud service because you're not just going into the cloud you're getting access to an entire machine. Yeah, the Shadow Service is really a part from all of the other ones that we are hearing about just offer game streaming so you log in and you can choose the game you stream and you stream it the Shadow Service gives you access to a PC in the cloud so you can do whatever you want with the PC and I actually went and tested it again I've been testing it here and there for a couple of years since its launch maybe even three years now or four but in Finland the servers are in France so it is far from an ideal situation but the game I was testing is Overwatch which is a first person shooter requires very fast action I'm not going to tell you it ran as well as the one that I had on my computer but it was playable and for a game it's the most lag dependent type of game you can imagine and it was definitely playable across the vast divide between France and Finland so that to me says these services have matured the Shadow Service is one of them and they are now becoming real and if Google indeed announces it that will be day one of the era of game streaming services being an actual reality I'm not even counting things like on live that did exist because those were always side projects or things that might have worked technically but commercially didn't have the kind of offerings you would want for various reasons so this could be the start I'm tempted to make comparisons to previous product lines there were smart phones and then the iPhone came and everything changed there were desktop operating systems that had windows and then windows came and everything changed so this does feel like the moment when the big guys are going to get in is this the kind of situation where if you're Apple, Amazon, Google or even Verizon you have enough muscle to make this popular where even if the existing options are superior you can market against them and get all the users well the big advantage of this type of service is that the onus of computer of equipment is not on the end user it's on the company meaning you don't need a console you don't need a powerful PC you don't need anything you could do this on a phone you could do this on a TV screen you just launch the app or the service and you're playing immediately so there is no barrier to accessing that service in a way that is very different from what has been the case until now for most gaming services so this is a long way of saying anyone could potentially become the distributor of games in a very easily accessible manner Verizon, Apple, Amazon anyone who has the technology could potentially compete in that area so and this is very not damaging but this is a dangerous situation for the established major players in that industry it's companies that have good cloud services and robust networking, Amazon, Google you can argue about Apple and iCloud but they've been doing it for a while they certainly have the infrastructure for it Verizon is a carrier they certainly have the infrastructure for it it makes sense that they would want to get in there where somebody even a company like Sony isn't a networking company isn't a cloud service in that game Sony probably has the least technical capabilities it seems they are ramping them up as they probably should but Microsoft is much better positioned for that I will also add that of course not everyone is going to be able to enjoy those services as I always say this but the fact that not everyone you know someone will tell us well I only have ADSL clearly you're not in the best position for this but many people will be able to take advantage of them and the fact that you can't play every game doesn't mean that you can't play any game so the ease of access can be interesting in some cases and that might be a big enough market that some companies will take advantage of it thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit speaking of taking advantage of the cloud we have our own little cloud submit stories and vote on others at 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out the mailbag let's do it Rob from Ramstein AFB wanted to ask Patrick specifically because he's on the show on Tuesdays about 5G in Europe Rob says Patrick I know you haven't talked about this in a few weeks but I figured since the residents socialist is on today what's the situation in Europe in regards to 5G I've just moved to Germany from the states so I know I'm gonna miss out on the initial rollout at least for a few years if I remember correctly 4G came to Europe later in the states later than the states rather but ended up being faster do you think it will be the same case over here so is Rob are you talking about 5G or actual 5G I'm confused now with what you do 5G is following the same let's call it 5G for the purposes of the states so yeah I think it's following the same kind of schedule roadmap as 4G was the comparison between the two meaning it's gonna come a little bit later maybe maybe six months to a year but it's actually gonna work so you know that's what we have going for us does time gaps feel bigger in the few months when they are happening we're not talking years here I remember covering for ZDTV Radio I guess it was Tech TV Radio by then the rollout of 3G in Europe and how we weren't getting it here in the states and Europe was way ahead of us and eventually we got it and then it felt like there really wasn't a difference LTE kind of felt the same way it was weird that one time I went to Europe and they didn't have LTE yet those things generally pass and then you reach a sort of parity so I don't know that it makes much difference it doesn't really I mean we're starting the tests now at least in France in a few cities and the more generalized rollout will happen soon after it's also when it's rolled out in the US it's so big it's rolled out in two or three cities and the rest of the country doesn't have it usually the people reporting on it are in San Francisco so it feels like they all have it and they're all super but you know the rest 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in French I like it punny in French it actually crosses some of the barriers I'm going to vote for that one smarter crapper polluted data flushing away bad medical information yeah alright punny in French in French what's the equivalent on france for saying something as punny we don't really have I guess it's a jeu de mot play on words but it doesn't quite express the sub because saying something is punny is sort of like it's stupid but we recognize that it's punny also we don't really have that equivalent so no one put in pot pulse pot pulse there's your pot yeah pot pulse the pot pulse sounds a little it's a lot of details in this world of legalization can bring up the wrong true that just says slow pulse to me right oh the old pot pulse yeah that'll get rid of your anxiety right sit on the pot figure out if you're about to have a stroke number two with a score oh no now we're talking the thing about socialism I wanted to say but it didn't quite fit we actually talked about it on the latest special for the Phidias Club with Sel who was talking about Venezuela and what's happening there and we were talking about socialism and he made the very apt remark that socialism includes so many different things nowadays that it kind of doesn't make sense you know you have Cuba and socialist and communist Russia and all of those and you have it all the way to like northern countries in Europe and France and all of those countries that have nothing to do with communism so the fear quote unquote of socialism is kind of weird because the word doesn't really mean a specific thing well it's a catch-all phrase it's things that you don't like and it's an unfortunate way that people usually can in the US I think it depends on who you're talking to but it's not used as a pejorative it's a perfectly acceptable like appellation for a political party not controversial in any way no I think a lot of people would argue there's socialist inspired ideas that are implemented in social democracies and that works really well but this is the truth of the matter all countries on some level share facets of whether socialism capitalism I mean it just depends really on the makeup there is no pure socialistic country and I think that goes along with what Patrick is saying which is the name could mean something as centrally planned as the Soviet Union or Cuba to as free market as you know Scandinavian countries where there's a certain amount of state involvement that really isn't unusual it's all the same kinds of things we have in the United States they're just implemented in a different way I mean we call them farm supports but no one goes screaming that communism is encroaching it's kind of a bankrupt term definitely I think in a legitimate argument where you want to learn from each other it's probably not terribly helpful although I think to Rob our emailer's defense when he said the resident socialist Patrick you've called yourself that like self deprecating he certainly wasn't saying that in a way of being like I agree I say it is self deprecating quote unquote way because a lot of my American friends and the American I don't know context seems to ascribe a negative value to the word socialist and socialism and so it's like haha I was socialist but really I kind of am partly a socialist because I believe in some of the things that and I don't think that's a bad thing healthcare and things also in France as you have mentioned on Philius Club many times you are not considered on the left side of the aisle no not at all on the world stage I would proudly call myself defender some socialist values but in France I am a horrible capitalist yeah I think it's all contextual it's funny myself in France I'm considered someone who's never been there before have you ever been to France have you never been to France Tom Merritt Patrick has been my wife in Paris I have I've never been to France we drank wine and ate teas in Paris like 500 meters from the from the I mean you've got to go to Paris I know my goodness gracious like I just I mean you can go wherever you want but sure it's just it's not through some choice of like no way am I going to France it just didn't happen am I going to socialist France I have been in Paris with Eileen as well you weren't there because you know whatever it was a work trip but like 50% of the people rocked by this news I'm in Paris with my wife I am not one of them wait wait Sarah was it the time that I met Eileen was it the same time I don't know this would probably have been in 2011 for the web it probably was yeah why didn't I meet you we could have all been eating cheese and drinking wine together those are two things that I probably wouldn't indulge Roger's like I wouldn't even want to go I don't like cheese and I don't like wine who knows what happens when I drink wine depending on the cheese I may or may not have a reaction to it hmm that's a well yeah I think we should we are now establishing the fact that we should do the next all convene on Paris in Paris oh man I haven't been to Paris in I think about three to four years now and I used to go every year I mean it is my favorite city ever in the entire world Eileen had been there when I met her and she's been there like three or four times since we got together right and I never go she's always going for work but it's not work that I'm involved in Patrick I'm I'm curious when people say like oh Paris the best city ever you obviously go back and forth but you live in a different country now and you know being a French origin do you feel like it's like this like wonderful romantic place that the rest of us do or is it a little bit more kind of pedestrian well I mean I think I don't what I think of Paris I don't imagine you know stone paved streets with a cardian sounding in the background like many American people do not normally arm and arm but certainly it is a really nice city and there are some exceptional places you know I walk around in other cities and it's just even this is going to sound incredibly like chauvinistic but there are some places not everywhere everywhere in the city but in some places some parts of Paris it's just there's nothing like it you go to the Louvre I don't think that sounds chauvinistic no it's provincial I think yeah that's a good way to put it and when you go across the Pont des Arts at night or go at the Louvre and have the part of it like you see it open in front of you when you cross the threshold of that part of the thing it's like it's incredible and yes it is definitely an exceptional city there are many exceptional cities but that one has a special soul I feel so I guess yes also there are some kind of crappy things but there are some really good things I know why you're sort of apologizing because you're like but I'm from there so maybe I'm biased right I get that but I think every city has something special that also has something that's not so great and certainly you know I've been to enough other cities I've been to London I've been to Tokyo I've been to Seoul I've been to Barcelona that I know that like some cities do have more special things than others and some have more of the rotten things than others and right and and there are certain things that speak to you yeah yeah rather than rather than others and it depends on who you are I love London I love London I love home when I'm in London but I know not everyone is like that no no in fact I know people who dislike London yeah yeah and I cannot because it's just not it's not their bag it just doesn't bother me I will say I honestly think that I'm sorry I need to know what we picked for the title it's in the it's in the document line one I will say I do honestly think if I'm trying to be objective which I can't about Paris but it has I would argue more special than most other cities it has a it's a magical city it is it's yeah my problem is it's full of French people otherwise I'm sure I'd love it you know that's what I think that's what most people say about their own city but definitely in Paris you will very often say from Parisians the saying that the only problem with Paris is that it's full of Parisians and I also subscribe to that idea I have to say like there's also the difference between living somewhere I never loved Los Angeles I was prejudiced against it till the first time I visited it the first time I visited it I was like oh ain't so bad I'd never want to live here but you know it's kind of fun to visit but that was my opinion of LA for the longest time then we moved here and now I'm like you know what there's some pretty great things about this city that nobody knows about there are also some really awful things about this city but you can easily avoid a lot of those really awful things not all of them but you can find a niche and I think that's one of the things about Los Angeles I undervalued until I lived here was how you can find the good things say San Francisco or Austin where I've lived before where it's like you kind of got what it was you got the good and the bad of what it was I feel like Los Angeles is a little more flexible than other cities I mean that when you live in a place you find out things about it that you wouldn't know I've lived in a few different cities in a few different countries and Paris is special I'm sorry don't be sorry I agree with you every time I go there I'm like why don't I live here you have a connection to it that other people may not have and so it's part and parcel of how you were raised the context in which you were raised Parisians aside pretty great city and even then it's like you just get used to them being like we don't care about you you damn tourist you all coexist fine having lived in San Francisco I respect that exactly Paris is the most touristy city in the world it's literally the one that gets the most tourist and you get used to it you what not this one yet anyway 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