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Let's start off with the top stories Apple announced it's discontinuing its Thunderbolt display Apple will sell out current stock through their stores company pointed users to third-party Monitors going forward as no replacement model has yet been announced ours Technica previously reported on rumors that Apple would release 5k monitors driven by an external GPU later this year Buzzfeed managing editor John Piszowski got everybody all talking by tweeting this morning that his sources tell him a next-gen Display with an integrated GPU is in fact still coming So Darren There's two two sides of this story or two interpretations one is this is the last Apple monitor other than getting an iMac You're not going to be able to get a monitor from Apple and other people saying no We're going to get a new one in the fall and it's going to have this GPU thing Yes, and they'll call it the cinema display Or something that's what they call the old one I know right it used to be the hotness. Um, I feel like there's here. You're right. There's two ways One is apple is on death watch. Oh my god iphone sales dropped They're cutting monitors next thing, you know like the geniuses aren't going to get genius schooling or something I'm not you know, they can't afford tuition, right? It'll be the average intelligence bar Exactly or the alternative is like, oh just you wait that rumor about the apple tv is coming in 8k I didn't think about that that end Let's go pass poshofsky and his sources and his reliable reporting right up right over crazy crazy town To say yeah, okay, so they're not going to have a television service. No reason. They can't be have a television Right. Have you ever met a rumor their area code is from crazy town? That's where they grow up Before they move west Oculus updated its hardware specific runtime friday and removed the drm code that prevented games from working with other headsets Like the htc vive the change was not mentioned in its update notes. It was discovered and that made public By the developer of revive Revive if you remember if you followed the show That's the piece of software that allowed you to take your oculus games and play them on the htc vive It did not circumvent game drm until oculus started doing these headset checks And then the developer said i don't really want to do this But it's the only way to make revive work. So he Reengineered revive to circumvent drm. Well on his github page or her github page The revive developer said hey, I noticed they're not checking the hardware anymore So revive now no longer disables game drm to provide compatibility oculus confirmed to ours technica that it quote Will not use hardware checks as part of drm on the pc in the future Right, so this is really like facebook uh slash oculus Just growing pains as a newcomer to the gamer world learning You know the lesson that microsoft and sony and the likes have learned which is do not underestimate the angry gamer mob and I don't know what the lesson is here, but plumber lucky Very clearly was on the side of the revives of the world and saying things like yeah There's no reason for us to lock this sort of thing down And then suddenly they locked it down and they said well We have to do this for x y and z reasons and nobody bought any of those reasons And now it turns out well no actually none of those reasons do apply So i am curious what the inside story is these kinds of things often happen When someone in a marketing position or in maybe a game development position Has some leverage and says no i really need this to happen and the engineers are like well, okay I guess we have to and then it takes public outcry Sometimes and i'm not saying whether i don't know if that's the case in this this particular instance Sometimes the engineers want to do the right thing, but they need you To cry out in order to put the pressure on their own company to make them do the right thing Well, and whenever it comes to a situation with drm There's really multiple parties involved in yet. You're only seeing the platform So if it's the itunes or the whatever have you what you're not seeing is behind those closed doors all of the different vendors And the contractual agreements that that platform has with those to in order to bring that content to you So whether it's you know movies or music or video games You know drm is is not something that i feel like any particular Platform necessarily wants well, let's follow the money here There i guess you could make an argument that if i make a game for the oculus I i want someone to have to buy it again if they have an htc vibe right But how many people out there are going to buy both virtual reality headsets at the prices they're at Not very many that can't be a big consideration So the only other financial interests that i can think of that is that is in any way significant is Oculus itself saying well, I want people to buy the oculus rift So I don't want them to go and buy games meant for the rift and then play them on the vibe So this had to have been an internal thing, right? Right, but then you also have to accept the fact that we're in such early adopter land and such the infancy of this technology That you may have to just make certain concessions in order to Just spur the industry and then you know it may lock down even more later on as it matures Yeah Meanwhile, everybody wants to get into live streaming, you know facebook, which owns oculus They're pushing facebook live like crazy. They're down there at vidcon My wife who works at youtube is down at vidcon everybody's down at vidcon And in fact youtube is at vidcon in a blog post yesterday youtube announced live streaming coming to their mobile app The live stream will feature comments overlaid on the video stream and users will be able to search live video So yeah, they're doing the same thing the periscope and facebook live do but they're also Allowing you to search live video which they say they can do better than anybody else Feature has rolled out to select creators attending vidcon. So you can't get it neither can I But wider availability is coming soon youtube also announced a creator hub with a benefits program And he promised to have actual people respond by email to creator support questions within one business day I don't know. I feel like youtube live is kind of their like wave Or buzz It's just it's had like the hardest time getting off the ground and there's keeps being kind of like buzz. Yeah Yeah, I was different from anything but buzz was definitely a me too Like oh, we're gonna be dig now or we're gonna be twitter now, right? Okay, well, but I mean it was innovative and cool But it didn't get that kind of foothold and so it had to like keep having these restarts And part of it was just the hurdles in order to get going And so I think I see like three different major incarnations And so this will be like the fourth major google hangouts being like probably the best incarnation to date of it So hopefully this just makes it easier and then maybe this is meant for the phone, right? And I get granted you can do google hangouts on the phone But this says you're in the youtube app guess what now you can go live just like periscope Like they're definitely targeting this at periscope and facebook live Yeah, and part of it. It's just so awesome to see how far we've come in that, you know years ago Networks would just like balk at the whole concept of streaming on mobile. So It's nice. Well, and that's you know, that's an interesting concept too Like streaming on mobile is something you had to convince people to do so Mircat came along and somehow captured the imagination And then periscope came along and was able to steal mircats thunder by basically being on twitter By saying mircat you can't auto post to twitter anymore. Guess what periscope can and our big advantage Is that now you can actually save your streams for later viewing? That was their big innovation over mircat Then facebook live came along and everyone said well, how are they going to be periscope? The way they beat periscope was essentially paying a bunch of people in traditional media that might not broadcast live To broadcast live and so suddenly you're seeing all these big names going live on facebook And if you're a facebook user you see a pop up in your feed all the time And so facebook live has got momentum because of that now and by the way facebook had their own facebook live announcements They're going to start doing two-way facebook live streaming, but now you have youtube saying okay Well, how do we get in here? We can emphasize search because it's easier to find streams for us because we do search really well But I guess the other thing is creators So if you know if you're a fan of youtube, which I know we aren't necessarily But a lot of people are especially people younger than me Your your favorite creator can now be streaming live like they would on periscope without having to use periscope Right and so those those periscopes and those facebook live videos, you know, they have the The good user experience that hopefully google can Can can capture in the mobile app, but then the question becomes do they have the platform the twitter or the facebook feed? To get the eyeballs and while youtube is in of itself. I guess a social network Um, I wouldn't say google plus the the concept of taking some of those elements of that and making it Its own thing has been that successful. So I think that that's really where uh, their success hinges Well, I think they can overcome that for the creators Because you know the young turks of the world can just get their fans like hey, we're streaming live now And it doesn't really matter whether it's on twitter or not But yeah, I don't know if you'll see the groundswell use like you do with periscope Which frankly, I Facebook live doesn't have as much of that groundswell either But it at least is built into the platform to be a social network So you're going to see a lot more of it on facebook than you would on youtube Uh uber has been tested a new version of its app that presents a dynamically priced fair when you put in the destination If surge pricing is in effect Text under the fair will note increased demand, but you won't see the lightning bolt Or the amount the fairs are being multiplied by it won't see that 1.3x or whatever uber began upfront pricing in uber pool And has been testing it for uber x in five indian cities as well as six cities in the us since april Uber expects to roll out the changes to the rest of the world over the next few months So we we mentioned this before when it was rumored or when it was being tested and people started to notice Uh, but uber saying we are going to just not pay make a big deal out of surge pricing anymore The price you get is the price you get and it can vary depending on when you put your destination in Yeah, I like this and although I must say it's probably not going to change my uber usage Which since the australia trip has been like dramatically more In that, you know, it's like a very convenient way to get around through google maps. That's how I Actually use it the most is i'll pick a destination by google maps and see what the various options to get there are Whether it's driving or public transit walking, whatever have you but the fact that it integrates not just uber But also if you have lift it'll show you lift prices and give you kind of an estimate That's kind of how i've been going and then when it comes to the surge pricing and all of that It's so confusing on their side anyway that i just haven't really thought about it I don't think at any point it has become so much so that i've just been like, ah forget it You know, I wish that increased fare pricing is a little faint I wish it was a little more up in my you know very easy to see because I do like to know like Hey, the price is a little higher right now. That's interesting But I it it has never i might I shouldn't say never there have been a couple of times when it's been so high that i'm like And forget that but the actual amount is going to be showed so you can already decide like no, i'm not paying 70 dollars To take an uber right now like that's still up front. So yeah, I don't need the lightning bolt I don't need to do the math in my head as uber keeps saying Uh, I think this is overall a better experience for everybody Sikani who who drives for uber Wrote in and he complains about uber pool He's like uber pools are rip-off they the drivers actually make less money on uber pool And you can read his email and the show notes about that if you want but he said on the positive side This new system could cut down on the number of passengers who don't put in a destination Because you only get the quote if you put in a destination He said if you're one of those people believe me when I say that your driver hates it When you do that the drivers want to know the destination Right from what I understand, they don't know the destination before they even pick you up So if you just go you cross the street, they're not going to cancel you Right no, they can't But he but it still is annoying to them when they when they finally get to that point They're like, oh, you didn't give it now. I have to talk to you and listen. You know, how do you spell that? It's just much easier if you put it in In a cool proof of concept researchers at Ben Gurion University of the Negev Have been testing ways to exfiltrate data from air gapped computers Air gap computers don't have any connections to any other computers. No network connection nothing A lot of hacks on this have used speakers So you get the computer to make a noise and then you can use that noise to to sort of interpret data This is for computers that don't even have speakers They've been able to use the cooling fan help that security describes it. They say the attack is called fansmitter Uh software controls the fan speed Which can then affect the acoustic waveform coming from the computer They demonstrated the transmission of keys and passwords at distances of up to eight meters At a bit rate of 900 bits per hour Now if you want to hear that in your um megabits per second bits per second would be One quarter of a bit per second is how fast that would go I mean if you're only doing a password though, I guess that's that's doable and the uh, the biggest trick there And of course is getting the malware on the air gapped computer in the first place to execute this fan control Right, there has been so much really cool research about this recently and and I love it It's like there's all of these fun party Favors of ways to like show like hey, I can get data off this computer. That's not connected to a network because you know Networks whether it's wi-fi or ethernet whatever just the traditional means of transmitting data But that wasn't even always the case and so Uh the concept of like okay Well anything that the computer does as output to quote-unquote can be used to exfiltrate data So any sound that it makes any potential radio waves that can be made just with the cpu doing certain calculations Uh can be picked up so output is really interesting and easy Because there's a million different factors that you know the radiation of your computer the heat of your computer There's so many different things that you can anything that you can vary is output It's the input that's more difficult. And so I think this is really cool research. I love hearing this stuff I don't know how much you're going to see in practical use outside of some clandestine operation that you'll never know about However, uh, I'd love to see more as far as like input is concerned because it's all you got to do is get the usb drive Into your friend's hand who then steals one of the key cards and then sneaks down the corridor past the guards And then plugs it in. I mean I've seen the movies Darren. It's that easy Uh, you should come to one of our pentas with act five workshops. We'll teach you about the usb rubber ducking You'll see that. Yes. Actually it is Actually, yes, I know it actually is it's right. I was going to make a joke that I've been at one of those You just never noticed but oh That's true. It's also not true Wired's davie alba has a story on how the amazon echo is in the headline's opinion Winning the race to a to a screenless future The echo passed more than a thousand skills this month skills are kind of like apps They're things that the echo can do with third party services So like turn on your lights read rss feeds stuff like that key advantage for amazon is amazon web services And aws lambda that means echo only has to run a small amount of code Rest of it is cloud powered and amazon is very good at cloud power. It also has been collecting data I mean amazon has since 2014 making its machine learning algorithms better and the longer you can collect data The more data you collect the better your machine learning can get Those of you shouting privacy just hold on for a second. Well, we're we're not going to deal with Wait, what data are they collecting? Let's just assume they're doing it, right? You still need to collect data even if it's anonymized to differential privacy and all that to get machine learning. So that's better Uh, I am more curious darin. What you think of this idea of a screenless future I like it. I mean we've seen the future by way of star trek the next generation where you ask Computer inverse the tachyon pulse through the main deflector array and you know, it spits back some gobbly guck Uh, so why not, right? I think that the concept of telling in fact I think there's something innately human about like giving barking commands to an inanimate object and having it do your wishes You're like, whoa Like I love that. Uh, so, uh, I think the amazon is killing it right now I think uh echo is a platform Has a lot of potential I think there's a lot of awesome opportunities in open source and some of the other like their puck and the other I forget the names of the other products that they've launched Uh in relationship to are are concerned have seen really cool hacks with raspberry pies. I don't know. I think this this It's it was surprising. I wouldn't have envisioned this this wouldn't have been on my prediction, you know, uh, but And when it first came out, I was like, oh, that's kind of stupid Yeah, I remember buying one saying well I really should buy it so that I can talk about it But I don't know what I'm going to use it for and it's slowly worming its way More and more I was listening to all the brexit coverage yesterday on the amazon echo Because I can get the bbc world service to turn on just by talking to it, right? I mean I'm like wondering what what is it about this and I can't put my finger on it other than to say that like we as humans love like You know telling someone what to do and then having them just do it So like the servant as it were, uh, it is you know is pressing some sort of human button there I feel yeah, but I find that like all my friends have these now Well, it's we want a conversational interface you hear that a lot with bots right conversational interface And it's the same with the things you speak to with with these screenless interfaces where you like Oh, I don't even have to type because we con we think Conversationally we think I want to listen to the bbc world service and then you have to translate it to like okay Well, that means I need to open this app type this in even with a conversational interface or Find the bbc app then find the button Whereas if you're talking to an amazon echo or you're talking to a siri or katana or google You just say the first thing you thought you don't have to go interpret it more Great, but that's the the perfect ideal. Yes, and we've we've definitely bought into it over here We've got a project going right now in the studio Where what we want to do is we wire the studio such that we can walk in and say You know to whatever the keyword is computer Bring up the lights switch to the threat wire camera and open up the recording template like you know There's no reason why any of that can't happen Biggest problem is trigger words, right? Yeah, because your trigger word has to be something that isn't accidentally going to be said a lot Let me tell you and I apologize for anybody watching this on the Computer console from microsoft right now, but xbox is a horrible trigger word it gets said a lot in my household Whereas the amazon echo's trigger word, which I won't say is not necessary to say and unless you have a daughter or friend named that It's not as likely to turn on. I do think they should still give you some alternative trigger words Yeah, we do need a better in fact We need a universal one that'll work across all platforms some bligger d blop. Exactly. We definitely need something This is not going to come up Um and not computer although. I love just like you know, I know, you know riker says computer Yeah, okay, but then but then that's that definitely going to turn it on. No, it should be it should be blurgle or Blurgle. Okay. Let's see. Let's blocker. Blurgle has a lot of potential there Pretty blop actually is pretty good Uh, yeah, you know, I wonder if you could do a linguistic analysis of what? phonemes are least likely to come up in combination and create like the perfect trigger word So the the perfect anti-word Yeah, these are courty of words the the as as the you know, foe Backstory to the keyboard and how it's laid out as to slow you down the most as possible as Typewriters would jam back in the day. I don't believe that but you know the courty of words Blurgle for gurl. Maybe it's courty. Courty's cute. I like courty. Yeah, but we say courty We just said it a bunch of times. Ah dang it. Dvorak. No, that's all right. We're moving on revisions to privacy shield That's the agreement on data transfer between the eu and the us were sent for review to european member states thursday night if you remember The uh previous safe harbor system that said, okay It'll be easy for companies from the us to transfer data to europe and back again Were thrown out because of concerns over us surveillance practices They developed privacy shield privacy shield Provided some more safeguards was newly negotiated would hopefully pass the court's review But the individual privacy agencies in europe said we're not we're still not sure about the details So this new revision provides more details on the conditions under which us intelligence services collect and safeguard data And a vote on it is expected in early july. So there you go. No more troubles in europe Darren we've solved it. This is gonna make everything perfect I can't wait for the new world order coming from the eu. It's gonna be fantastic. 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That's a look at the top stories All right, let's let's get serious for a second here with the united kingdom voting To negotiate their departure from the european union a lot of folks are trying to figure out what this means for tech Some blogs are just trying to come up with a way to capitalize on everybody paying attention to this But there are some actual things to be concerned about Let us start with the fact that nothing is happening now and nothing is going to happen In the near future prime minister david cameron has indicated the country will not Send the official notice until after he steps down in october So between now and october absolutely nothing is going to happen And after that notice says you can't quit you're fired They can't even do that actually Because after the process notification is sent it takes two years During which they will negotiate the exit so for two years after october nothing is going to happen nothing is going to change Legally speaking however once that notice is sent and in fact already starting today people Are behaving in in anticipation of this happening so it can change some behaviors They are going to have to negotiate new trade agreements new immigration deals Things that will directly affect tech companies and we don't know how those negotiations are going to go In in an ideal world, right? Nothing changes and that's not what's going to happen, but that you know that that's one end of the possibility so The truth is nobody knows what this is going to mean for tech And for the moment nothing is changing But we have some uh, I was looking at the next web. I was looking at uh fortune I was looking at all the blogs today and in fact fortunes david meyer I think did a great job of summarizing some of these main issues So let's let's go through these five main technology issues that you want to be thinking about First is regulation EU regulation very Obviously on this show we've talked about it has been going after companies To crack down right to be forgotten Google news licensing the uk has often swayed the eu to regulate more lightly They will no longer be able to do that darin Right and you know what here's the thing this isn't just a uk problem I feel like this is indicative of the of like a greater world problem when you think about it regulation wise The internet exploded in the 90s because the lack thereof The cloud knows no borders inherently and honestly I don't want to live in a world where my packets require a passport the eu has done a lot of good as far as like coming up with Very consumer focused data protection policies But I feel like it's actually a part of a bigger picture that just leads into things like You know the general data protection regulations and such and and that's where we have some other opportunities in fact Yeah, and let's let's bring that up. We just mentioned that the the new privacy shield agreement between the eu and the us Has a new revision. It's still not guaranteed that that will pass but The uk after two years from now will likely not be part of that agreement So new agreement has to be struck with the eu as part of the negotiated exit a new agreement Will have to be struck with the united states and we don't know what that agreement will be Uh companies might be required by the eu if they're in the uk To store european members data in the eu which would mean suddenly a bunch of uk companies were like, hey, we're in the eu We can just store it here in london Won't be able to do that anymore Well, here's the thing about the general data protection regulations the way I see I feel like It's actually only even needed because of the inadequacies of data protection that we have in general Right, so I feel like it has nothing to do with any specific nation And not to sound like a crypto anarchist or anything, but this isn't a eu specific problem I feel like it's one that should be solved on the technology level with proper cryptography such that you know No one has access to said data other than account holders Now your isp now your government not law enforcement and certainly not the isp or the online service even holding the data Well, and and that's a great point too because how governments treat encryption and whether they're in favor of strong encryption Or surveillance varies, but the eu has been very friendly to encryption At least up until recently And the uk has not the uk has the snooper starter Where is that gchq place? Is that in switzerland? No, that's in england Yeah, right england. Okay. All right. Let's talk about something that might not be as strong in england And and this is the sort of thing that can start having an effect now as people anticipate it when when they don't know What's going to be negotiated? The startup and studio scene startups in the uk benefit right now from being able to hire talent from anywhere in europe Suddenly a lot of their employees may have to get visas may have to get approval They also won't be able to recruit as easily. It's not it's not like they won't be able to in fact Some startups are saying this this is being overblown We'll be able to do a little paperwork and it'll be fine But it is not as easy as it is right now And some companies may choose to incorporate in berlin or paris or somewhere else in europe Rather than in the uk because they want that access to the talent pool In fact, a lot of people in berlin a lot of organizations in berlin are crowing today Uh christoph garlinger the ceo of venture capital firm german startups group says they expect a significant decrease in New incorporations in london in favor of berlin Yeah, i'm i'm no startup, but i can say as you know a business in general Uh, i've been paying attention to this for quite some time because i mean the the pound sterling's been hovering at like $1.60 or so for the last five years today taking a tank to about the the 130s. That's massive I got a call this morning from one of my manufacturers in fact because their business is 30 u k based with just like a Hey heads up. Uh, there might be some price increases of certain components Because of where we're doing business and i'm like that's really interesting I thought you moved part of your business to the uk in order to do business in the eu more easily and he's like Yeah, and might be reconsidering that one now So i mean that's just like anecdotal evidence But if you're in the uk specifically to be doing business in the eu now It's not as attractive Whether you're a startup or or an established company now again These are the sort of things that the uk may be able to negotiate Friendly trade deals with the way the united states has it has friendly trade deals With the eu and maybe it won't be as big a deal But right now there's a lot of uncertainty around that and this currency crash Uh is something that may bounce right back. It may just be market jitters or it may not be We don't know any of that stuff This next one is more of an issue for people in the uk The eu has been doing a lot of things with digital single market So in other words, hey, if i'm a netflix subscriber in france when i travel to germany I shouldn't be forced to use the german version. I should still be able to use my french version Roaming rules that say hey, you know what you can't charge these crazy roaming rates on people when they're moving around within the european union net neutrality rules None of this is guaranteed to apply now the uk Might be able to set their own net neutrality rule to be the same. Maybe they'll do that The uk might be able to negotiate a deal with carriers to say well We're going to require you to follow the same rules as the eu but those things are yet to be decided Yeah, here's the thing about this I mean, I feel like this really all just comes down to control and since the dawn of the internet and especially Since you know in regards to economics the technology is like bitcoin or the blockchain We've had the opportunity for true world economies and yet status quo We'll always tighten their grip and hold on to those old world philosophies of control um, and so I feel like I mean this isn't even specific to Economics either there's no rational reason why we can't operate as a whole Like this and yet we've seen more and more g o i p's and borders and things of this nature So this just really brings to light those sorts of things this artificial concept of control And I feel like the more we let go of that the more Harmonious will operate as a species because otherwise we're just going to be doomed to live on little islands Well, and and that's the thing when you had The united kingdom in the eu They were part of a single block, right? So spectrum allocation is the last thing on our list when spectrum is allocated across the eu that allocated for the uk That was one less country that had to be considered And then when you go across the border, you're like, okay Can we harmonize our spectrum and it becomes more difficult for two different countries to do that sort of thing I mean the fact that we had cdma for so long in the united states and then when you traveled abroad You're like, oh everything's gsm here. Oh wait. I'm in japan now at cdma is an example of that So now the uk is going to be again outside of that and it's going to be more complicated as spectrum gets allocated for 5g The eu is attempting to harmonize it across europe even more so And that's not to say that the uk couldn't still play along with that harmonization But they don't have to because they're not part of it. So that makes the negotiation more complex Right, so we're talking about the uk leaving a small club of the world called the eu Could you imagine the uk leaving a much larger club of the world called the united nations? I mean, there's a reason why we have these much larger governing bodies Because sometimes there's things that affect the whole planet uh case in point the international telecommunications union a part of the united nations deals specifically with satellite orbits and spectrum and finite resources that we as a species need to You know work together to allocate, right? And while this is trivial nature We're talking about some tech tech stuff like radio frequencies. I feel like it illustrates the bigger point of working together And I unfortunately have seen firsthand what happens when you get all those people in the room and everybody is like Well, we don't do it that way here And it's just frustrating because you see the potential and yet at the same time It's like how are we ever going to get to the united federation of planets Right, there was a there was a great Uh, a graphic that I saw yesterday Uh, and I I wish I could remember all the parts of it But how people who voted remain saw the future was the next generation Uh, and how people who who voted leave uh saw the future was the empire and there were a couple other Other features like that as well But that's the thing maybe just to take the other side here Maybe not having the uk and the eu Will force us to create wider ITU type organizations to harmonize these sorts of things, right? Maybe it will be a force that says hey, you know what? You're right. It shouldn't just matter if you're in the eu or not We all should be cooperating on a lot of things Maybe we don't need to centralize all this bureaucracy and all this government to do this Maybe we could we could all get together on the things that benefit us and do international Worldwide standards instead of just within a particular region Yeah, I mean no, I feel you decentralize is the way to go ultimately because you don't want to have all the power in one Particular place, but at the same time you don't want everybody, you know certain people taking off the friendship bracelet That's what the uk just did they took off the friendship Yeah, and they're going to deal with their own internal friendship bracelet issues is uh, Scotland's like I think we're taking off our friendship bracelet now. What are you talking about that? Yeah, dog. I see what you're doing there. Yeah, this is going to be an interesting two year divorce process You know like uk's like listen we're keeping the couch and they use like no we went 50 50 on that couch Right. I want the ottoman who gets the channel. Yeah. No, I know. I know it's not don't write in and that's a joke It's a joke. I made a joke yesterday about like, okay So what continent is is uk part of now that it left europe? And of course people who are very sensitive about this like we're not leaving europe We're still part of europe or just worry or you could you could do what the germans do every time they go to the uk Which is they fly home with a rock? Just take a little piece of it every time just just take a rock every time had no idea Yeah, it's something that military does there Let's uh get to our pick of the day from kiwi red uh from t-shirt ready midwinter christ church new zealand Uh, he's a fan of creative magic systems in fiction and the novel nameless by matthew rossi Delivered that in an entertaining and urban fantasy setting people with characters who are pleasantly not one dimensional Including villains whose motivations weren't comic book thin. Uh, you can check it out on amazon We'll have a link to that again. The name is nameless by matthew rossi Uh tons of great feedback from people about our discussion Around self-driving cars and the ethics that they will have to deal with in programming Real quickly running through a lot of people like it's an odd question. Josh compared it to a grenade He said you might fall on a grenade to save people, but you wouldn't buy one to jump on and that's kind of the question They were asking Maybe each car could have an option A lot of people said this like let's just avoid the question Let the person in the self-driving car choose joe said What if it was an option and we got to choose when we were calibrating your car? RJ says the decisions of self-driving car should be done in software So there's no reason that the choice made to protect the occupants of the vehicle couldn't be a user selected mode Uh, a lot of people said it depends on who's in the car If if someone in the other side has Ebola I I want to make sure that they are protected and get on their way even though it's a single occupant However, if they're a bunch of terrorists, maybe I don't want to protect them Uh ron said who's responsible if somebody thinks the system made the wrong choice because someone will likely claim the wrong party was saved Jake said at least for now their priorities are reducing the risk factors and ever getting into a situation We're moral decisions are needed So this is a question that shouldn't be a priority for developers yet anyway and alan Said I don't think that's the way it works I think maybe at best you can say they may have to program a tendency Can you tell me what the car will do and the answer will be if you tell me the readings on these hundreds of sensors in the car's driving history And thousands of factors from other cars in the network Then maybe I could tell you what it's likely to do But it's not like it's one line of code which leads us to liam and barometrically stochastic sydney Who says I'm a software engineer with quite a lot of experience in machine learning And I just listened to the discussion on self-driving cars I don't think an engineer will need to explicitly program the car to save passengers or pedestrians instead Its behavior in new situations will be an emergent property of its machine learning model It's not possible to hard code responses to every situation So the machine learning model will be trained on a large data set of situations and told how to behave in each case Then in the real world when it's being bombarded with situations that don't fit nicely into any of its training examples It'll do its best to interpolate the correct behavior from what it knows Now I suppose it's possible that one of the training examples involves choosing between saving 10 pedestrians or one passenger And that has been told the correct behavior in that specific case But there are always going to be cases that the machine learning model hasn't seen and in these cases the model itself Will have to make the decision Realistically, I think it's more likely that when the car is losing control The model will just keep trying to regain control and never really make the sort of decision That this survey was asking Hmm I've seen this in drones where they try to write themselves Ad nauseam to the point of failure So that actually brings up an even scarier thing Which is I'll forget it like deciding whether or not it's going to kill you or someone else Uh, it may be in fact, let me just throw a wrench in the whole discussion right now and say self driving motorcycle You getting on one Sure. Once it's once it's deemed reliable. Yeah, absolutely because the motorcycle is incredibly dangerous right now Uh, so it will be most likely less dangerous by the time it's viable What you're proposing is a fear tactic Which is hey this one thing doesn't work very well right now So someday you might get on this thing and it not work very well No, what i'm actually proposing tom is would you get on a self driving motorcycle to lane split down the 405 while reading a book Uh, and you may trust that motorcycle, but at the end of the day, guess what 99.99999 percent of the other vehicles on the road Are human driving and they have for now like everyone else didn't say you didn't ask me if I'd get on it today Definitely wouldn't get on it today But once the once the machine learning is good enough and once the majority of the other cars on the 405 that i'm lane splitting Are also algorithmically driven and hell yeah, i'm getting on it. All right Are you in favor of banning human drivers? Not banning. No, i'm never almost never in favor of banning anything Uh, but yeah, I think we'll get to a point where we'll we'll do a carpool lane situation We're like all the self driving cars go over here all the human driven cars are over here Those lanes will get less and less over time could be interesting to see where there's more self driving cars and human driving cars The requirements for licenses you have to go to the dmv and provide that you are at least as good as a computer right Uh, well that is it for this episode of daily tech news show. Uh, thank you darin kitchen What are you up to these days people can take advantage of out there? Oh awesome stuff We are uh getting into all sorts of fun things over at h a k 5.org as always Just covering some fun ways that you can tunnel all of your traffic through vpns over wireless routers Build yourself a travel router so that all of your packets always go securely through the internet. It's fun stuff It's all diy hands-on Learn how to over at h a k the number five dot org and find uh myself and shannon morrison And patrick norton and all of our other shows like threat wire and um tech thing And metas plate minute over hack five When peralta has been drawing a 404 page of the united kingdom This is what the e you will see when they search for the united kingdom within two years Yes, you know it was uh, you asked me at the beginning of the show was can i draw Uh brexit, which is a very kind of esoteric topic and uh, and especially drawing brexit as a poll as it uh relates to tech And uh, so i gave it some thought i wanted to do something that felt techy, but also kind of uh Commentated on the the whole situation in in in the uk right now without necessarily getting too political about things Um, and uh the 404 page seemed like a pretty good way to deal with it It says uh, it's an error code error code country not found We can't seem to locate the country you're searching for so if this upsets anybody over in the uk I apologize that wasn't the intention But i was trying to come up with something that was a very tech related with um, uh with brexit, which of course is a very highly politically charged, uh, uh idea, so Go check it out. Let barel to store uh dot com and remember americans We're not we're not we're not gonna throw any any mud, all right Right, uh, let us know. Uh, what you think of the show too folks. Uh, we're taking a survey these days bit.ly Slash 2016 dtns You can find a link in the patreon as well patreon.com slash dtns Which is how we support the show our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can give us call 51259 daily catch the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphagic radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and visit our website daily tech news show dot com Back on monday with veronica belmont talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Well, I hope you have enjoyed this bro Nicely done. Very well, uh, we're already pointing out you don't have uh, northern ireland on there. I know I feel like what's what's uh, another thing to take into consideration len is uh, there's another http error code in the 400s Error 4 18. Yes. I'm a teapot I 23 24, you know how they love their tea over there And actually this I never realized how much of uh, the uk and great britain looks like a little bunny running. Do you see it? Absolutely It's got the little bunny ears and it's running. I was trying to come up with something maybe it's something funny with a bunny But I don't know I don't down the rabbit hole down the rabbit hole exactly Yeah, this was a tough one. I I was thinking I'll not can draw something You know what maybe maybe error code 4 21 misdirected request That's pretty good. I don't know that one starts to sound political. All right 4 26 upgrade required Yes Upgrade required. I can change that one I don't know his 404 too. That's too Everyone knows 404 no 404 is the one everyone knows and Nate Langston Actually mentioned this morning like he was looking at the 404 Page on bloomberg. He's like this is how I feel today. So Yeah, I it was uh, that was a tough one because I didn't want to you know It's you know, it's very politically charged. I don't want to say anything that was going to be upsetting Right listening to you in another country. So so I'm sorry if I did that I don't think you did. I don't think you did I think I think that was handled well. I think northern ireland not being there is going to bother people more than the 404 Yeah, you know, I the only reason northern ireland is because when I grab the image it didn't have northern ireland on it So I was like, well now I'm like, oh, I probably should And maybe they're like don't worry about it. We're out. Anyway That's right. That's the Scotland. Well, right. I mean they're not necessarily but That is a that is something that might come up You never know That's it's a fascinating turn of events Really is and it's it's one like when you take the 100,000 feet perspective, which you should bring oxygen to do You look at this and you're like, yeah, well The uk never wanted to be Unified with currency they they waited until the 70s to join the common market Or the or the european community market whatever i came or what it was called back then And so they've always been dragging they've always been like not quite sure that they wanted to do this They were one of the last to get conquered by the roman empire for goodness sake So so it's not If I were writing the story I would I would be like, yeah at some point they're just going to back out But then you have the treaty of union of 1707 with scotland Now possibly going to fall apart, which is a much bigger deal Because that's been centuries that those two conch trees have been united Interesting It's very interesting and the queen would still be the queen of both by the way So it wouldn't dissolve the treaty it would dissolve the unification of the parliaments I read something today, which is sort of funny someone trying to put this in perspective for uh for americans Uh, this is where you can start and they were saying that like well You know a lot of game and thrones is is shot in uh in this part of the country And now it's going to be harder for them to shoot there and except they'll be done with their seasons by the time this Resolved yeah, it's still two years right. I mean they still there's still a lot to figure out so But a lot of like dr. Who? Dr. Who shoots well they shoot most of the country I guess but still That's actually probably their biggest bargaining chip right now in order to keep concessions with the eu as far as the uh The economics of the situation be like look, you know, do you want to keep getting dr. Who france? right Could you imagine if it were that if it came down to entertainment? I'm only half joking No, I am too. I think I think it could come down to entertainment Listen, do you want people in germany to not get called the midwife? That can happen Dr. Who is shot in wales apparently Oh, yeah, that's where it's based. It's bbc wales production still though. They could be like look we're taking our spice girls back Well, I mean I I didn't read it but there was an article about you know, what effect this is going to have on soccer teams because you know They they recruit their players from all over the world But if they recruit a european player then now that will be an immigration issue The same way it would be recruiting someone from brazil versus now where it's it's easier. So I wonder how this is going to affect afc wimbledon Hmm I wonder How this will affect british food Um, don't want to make it a comeback. This is good. No, it's getting good. That's my point. What british Yes, british food is getting good. It's a best kept secret in england. It's got shakes But will it stay that when when the french cut off the garlic sapeur, I don't that's horrible It just seems like a it's an odd step backwards to the like globalization world that we've seen Or but but when scotland wanted to leave that felt like progress Like oh, yes, we're breaking up into more natural units. So isn't that what this is? You know what? You're right. Everyone gets a country texas finally you can have You get a country Sovereignty for everyone. I mean the uk already has their commonwealth Hmm, they could start their own union again You know, it's like that episode of mr. Show where uh, the everybody has their like everybody is their own country Yeah, so there's a guy david cross plays a guy who's out in the wilderness who has to Pay himself and then he walks around and then he gives himself like a piece of bark That is his currency But he's paying himself just to give himself a like a bottle like a bucket of water or something Maybe that's what's next. I think that's where we're headed. We'll all be individual limited liability countries Mmm. Well, I will claim the country of kitchen and our currency will be Noodles, okay. Okay. I'm afraid with you. I am uh, this is lenland Our currency will be um Business cards I was about to say because I would I would sell I would sell spaghetti noodles to lenland. Oh, you know, hey, by the way, I don't think spaghetti Spaghetti night is is no longer because my wife no longer works on friday. She switched hours. So Why haven't the friday spaghetti night? She actually made it last week. So I shouldn't say that it's completely All right, uh, there go your plans for the noodle monopoly Yeah, I know right. I thought I had at least one customer. Wait a minute. Now. I understand what's happening I'm going to declare maritopia Maritopia Yeah, our our currency will be bitcoin Oh, wait a minute Ah, you're so somewhat smarter, man Why did I say business cards or dogecoin should be good? That's what I'm saying. Why why isn't ace coin? I was gonna say nobody. Yeah, just now. Let's make my own I'll fork it. I want to block and do my own blockchain Right. I'll invest in ace coin. I wonder how many techno bucks you can get for that Oh, yeah, the techno buck ace coin exchange rate is quite favorable right now Yeah Ian's like now it's starting to sound like a charles straws novel Yes, maritopia will be a meritocracy Your name merit you can rise to the top Better change your name Rivera kidding Wow, that's the first time that I've even considered that interesting What the meritocracy or oh, I mean changing your name Yeah, the the youtube wife Yeah, but by the way sounds like a new show on It's the number one show you missed last night's youtube wife. You missed it all Starring linda carter As the youtube wife. Oh you you heard she got cast as the president of the united states and supergirl, right? Yep. Yep That's amazing. Yeah, she's it's good to see her back. I have a linda carter picture disc This land is this land is lend land. This land is not my land I'm going to lend that carton from the left side neighbor to his right side street Nicely done On fire today, yeah That's very very good Read up on operation anthro poid I don't think anthro poid is going to uh catch on as the As the keyword for the uh conversational bots. I mean, it's rare, but it's not impossible that it would come up YouTube life seven nine central Blurgle is all on the other hand By the way, I think Blurgle is my trigger as the title Oh, I didn't even check the uh, yeah, she bought me. What what what are we doing? Yeah, I just was I open it up now You just what happened project is not here and we're off the rails. I know I know Dt dtns exit. It looks like dtn sex it. Oh, actually, I don't think that's on purpose Chicago mentioned, uh, texas exiting would be a texat Right. That's so good There was somebody I saw there they had all the exits for different countries. So there was uh, I like there was My trigger is good. It frucks it. It's a tally a tally leave. No A tally. I can't remember. No, I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah, was that it? That sounds right. I mean, I saw different ones too, but I definitely saw a tally leave on one of them. I'll tell you Port, uh, man, now I'm gonna I'm gonna something to get out of here. I want my safe word Okay, hang on a second. I'll get it belgium No, they were they were actually very very good. I thought oh, that's very clever. Very clever. Someone's very clever. Yes. Oh clever Here it is. Uh, brexit, uh, bi-jum for belgium bi-jum. There we go. Uh, depart chigol depart chigol Check check out Check out, uh, it's a leave Nice Finish with one Donna gary, uh, nethermind Later via later later via later via, okay, and uh, austria la vista Oh, yes Oh Austrian right, isn't he right make sure the Schwarzenegger austrian. Yes Austrian la vista, but I like depart chigol. That was very good And it'll leave is good too So I watch france again Uh, france. He could come up with one for france. I saw frux it frux it Oh Yeah, frux it I feel like there needs to be a table flip associated with that one American maybe that should be the the flag the white flag with table flip guy And we could have can it uh I want to see the first nation that decides to leave the planet and it's just like look we're not We're done Well, actually that's not the same thing very you're bringing your united kingdom is not leaving your atmosphere is so over It's so done. How many how many outboard Honda uh Motors do you think it would take to just for for The uk to just kind of like get themselves across the atlantic and go chill with us, right? Think there's a spot for like they would like it near florida much better weather Yeah, I saw somebody on twitter said like we could just move to the Bahamas, right? Isn't that how it works? Like set sail right the trade winds will take you. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's the british navy Hmm, you know, right? Hitch the toe. They'll just move the island just move the island. Yes Isn't that what they did and lost is that a spoiler if I say that I don't think it is Spoiler Can you spoil lost still you can't I can I spoil any? Oh I think I may have spoiled finding dory for our intern. Oh she gets found. Oh What? Oh, man. Yeah, I felt so bad right after I said it. It's like Yeah, screw that All right, I I'm like I'm gonna head out. All right. Yes. I'm gonna stop the stream anyway So, uh, thank you land. Bye everybody. Thanks everybody for watching. Have a good weekend everybody. Bye. Are you on next?