 You don't know me, I watch theCUBE, I queue up your videos, I listen to them while I'm on the treadmill. It helps me learn, expands my knowledge, thank you. So it's really an honor to be part of that community. This is Dave Vellante, thanks for watching theCUBE. And for more information, just click here. From Santa Clara, California, it's theCUBE, covering Open Networking Summit 2017. Brought to you by the Linux Foundation. Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We are winding down at Open Networking Summit 2017. It's quite a conference, a lot of buzz about open source as it goes into the networking space and continues to find traction. A lot of big companies donating projects to open source and then of course 5G and IoT and the innovation never stops. So Scott really enjoyed having Scott Rainovich co-host with us for these last couple of days. Scott, what'd you think? Thanks again, Jeff. It's been a great show, lots of activity, some good news flow, actually announcements, you know, and people opening up to us about open source. As you said, lots of good stuff. Right, so I should have checked the tape from 2014 because I think you actually co-hosted theCUBE at ONS in 2014 a long time ago. But clearly the narratives are changing quite significantly from there. Totally different world. You've been following this thing forever. So before we get into some of the specifics, just kind of your general impressions of direction and speed in that direction as we continue to evolve. Sure, well, we talked a little bit about it with Martine and Martine kind of talked about it in his keynote, how when he started Nisera, which for those of you who don't follow the SDN world was the kind of, one of the first big open networking startups. You know, let's have our code base be based on open source and have commodity hardware, run the software so anybody can swap in any hardware and run the software. That's the concept of open networking and SDN. And as Martine pointed out, when he started, it was like a speculative academic project and he had no idea what it would become. And he pointed out it's now, after it was acquired by VMware, it's now a billion dollar business. So I think, and then we have other people like AT&T talking about in the keynote, John Donovan talking about how they're moving from 30% SDN open networking last year to more than 50% so they're going to cross over to so that the majority of their network will be based on homegrown open networking technology. Leveraging a lot of this open source that is the main topic of the show, which is run by the Linux Foundation, which has become kind of the giant mega aggregator of networking open source technologies. So it's, you know, the main message is it's, we've gone from the academic speculative phase to the actual, let's get this stuff into production, let's run networks on it, and let's deliver your YouTube videos faster, right? Right, it has, you look at the sponsorship behind us, right? A lot of startups, a lot of innovation, you know, that comes with open source, but you know, you still got Cisco and Juniper and the incumbents, and you know, we had Dave Ward on from Cisco. So as you look at kind of the incumbent positionings that benefited from a non open source world and dedicated integrated boxes, how do you see them, you know, reacting and shifting in this new kind of market paradigm? Well, the first thing is they all, they all like to talk about software more than the hardware, right? Because you notice the discussion tends to focus on software these days. They know that these platforms are being, the hardware platforms are being commoditized, and you have these third party manufacturers that are coming out with, you know, these so-called white boxes, which is the generic third party hardware that can run all the software. So Juniper and Cisco are obviously, they have lots of software products, but you see from their acquisition strategies, they're focusing on buying software companies now and they want to become known as software companies. And I think, you know, they have a shot, they certainly haven't, let's not say that Cisco hasn't stopped selling network here, there's still a huge power on the space, and it's not like everybody is running out to buy, you know, commodity hardware, they're still looking for people to help them integrate, people to help provide service and support, you know, you know, the so-called throat to choke. One throat to choke, right, right. So, you know, that's kind of where they're moving, you know, but obviously, some of these companies are big oil tankers and you don't, you know, turn them around in a day. Right, and then we had Intel on, interesting conversation about 5G, basically the message being 5G is now, you're saying, you know, coming back from Mobile World Congress is not quite now, but really the point was we're preparing for it coming, which is why the preparation is now. So again, your perspective on 5G, interesting keynote this morning, you're talking about orders of magnitude of change in the mobile network data capacity over all these various iterations and how it's really moving too from, you know, voice the data, but now not only from data from people, but obviously things, Internet of Things. So as you look at that kind of evolution, it's coming, right, it's coming in a big, big, big way. Totally, totally. Yeah, I mean, 5G is a, I mean, we could talk about 5G all day long. There's so many questions and debates about it. You know, Sandra Rivera, who we had on from Intel, had some really good points, which is, you know, if you're providing the fundamental technology like Intel, the chips for the NFV boxes, the chips for the radio, you know, the end-to-end solution in the semiconductor space, you obviously have to invest now and prepare for 5G. The standard won't be ratified or complete till at least, well, they're saying possibly late 2018, but it's, everybody really thinks it's 2019, 2020, but the big question is the applications to your point, like, there's kind of this explosion of these new wireless WAN technologies, if you will, and Internet of Things is driving a lot of, you know, you hear about the self-driving cars, right? The trucks that are going to communicate back to HQ and tell the boss where they are all the time and how much fuel they're consuming and how fast they're going, what their average, you know, this Internet of Things market, self-driving cars, that's going to drive the need for more sophisticated mobile networks, but in the industrial space, there's a different need for very low power, low bandwidth, there's a WAN technology called LORA, LORA WAN, which is different from 5G, so what people are trying to figure out with 5G is the applications, where does it fit in? What is actually 5G? You know, Verizon has announced a point-to-point 5G pilot projects, it's really pre-5G, you know, because 5G isn't here, but they're kind of experimenting with, as a fiber replacement, you know, Jeff needs faster broadband, he doesn't want to wait for the truck to come in and install the cable, maybe we'll have 5G as a new last mile solution point-to-point or point-to-point for businesses, you know, the big oil derrick, you know, that needs a big pipe, you know, there's many different applications that are being discussed, you know, for 5G. And is the timing of the standard, is it just kind of going through its natural stages or are there a couple of, you know, kind of key items that are still being hashed out that they can't come to agreement? Or is it just kind of working its way? There's many, many items, I mean, I'm not technically sophisticated enough to dive into all the different, they'll argue about, you know, the protocols for, you know, authentication, then what exactly, how much bandwidth do we need, are there different flavors of it, you know, a lower bandwidth flavor versus a gigabit flavor, you know, what are the chipsets going to look like? You know, it's a very complex standard. And, but you know, more importantly, on the business side, the carriers are asking how much money are we going to have to spend to deliver 5G and we just spent all this money on LTE and all the licenses and, you know, we're- And does LTE go away when 5G comes or they run those in parallel? It'll still be there, right? That's what I'm saying, that's the question, like you, Jeff Frick, do you really need 5G now and what are you going to pay for it? Do you need to pay so your kids can watch YouTube faster? No, but I definitely want my autonomous vehicle to hit the brakes on time before I hit the pedestrian, so there's definitely an application. I didn't realize you hadn't had an autonomous vehicle. Not yet, but you know, I'm hoping, more people watch theCUBE, I'll get one faster. So next year, when you acquire your autonomous Tesla. Right, right, my autonomous, which they just sent the software download, which is amazing, that's a whole different story. Shifting gears, Edge, a lot of conversation about Edge. We do a lot of stuff with GE and IoT and the GE like to say, I IoT, the industrial internet of things and kind of this whole concept of, you can't get everything back to the cloud because the speed of light is just too damn slow. That's right, that's right. And we talked to Ehab Tarazi from Equinix and we talked about the Edge at the devices, as you said, low power, nasty conditions, yes, we're live, they're banging plates over there. But then he really talked about the Edge of all the clouds and really the Edge in the data center side because most of the stuff is traveling peer to peer, direct connect and having that Edge between your organization and then back into all these various clouds. Pretty interesting take is that kind of back, back end sophistication and interconnectivity just gets tighter and tighter and tighter. Totally, totally. And Google also talked about that, building a new B2, they call it the B2, a peering network. I mean, if people don't realize how sophisticated these networks have to be, right? You think that you download a video and it's just out there, right? It's actually going through a private network possibly, a Netflix has their own network and it's peering with your local ISP. It's peering somewhere with your last mile provider or if you're on a mobile network, it might be getting to you a different way. And so the discussion of where the Edge goes is very important because as you pointed out with IoT computing processing, it takes a long time as we see with Siri all the time. Have you ever had that problem where Siri's not there? Google's always there. Okay Google, no, we're seamlessly perfectly all the time. Okay, you're an Android guy, so yeah, I'll quiet. So when you ask that question to Siri or Google, it's going back all the way to the cloud and making that computation back somewhere in the cloud. So the question is where should that computation happen when Jeff Frick needs to hit his brakes to avoid knocking over that. Unless it's a criminal and that's a different business software, you don't want to hit the criminal. You don't want that computation getting hung up in the cloud, right? So that's what the debate about the Edge is. It's fascinating, it's why I love being in this business that just continues to evolve and change over time. The last thing really, we are at the Open Networking Summit. It's a Linux Foundation show. Linux took this over a little while ago and as you said earlier, this huge move to move a lot of these open source projects to the Linux Foundation for them to really provide a home if you will and a set of resources and a set of everything from the 503C and everything else you need. AT&T talked about delivering their project open source today. We heard earlier from Dell EMC making a contribution. So as you look at the evolution of open source and Linux Foundation as a subset and how it impacts this networking and software-defined networking catching up to software-defined compute and software-defined storage, how significant is that as a driver of this adoption? Well, it's a big move. Most of the folks here at ONS are really more in the telecom world. If you think of networking, what's happened in networking over the last decade, it's moved from enterprise more to cloud and telecom, right? You don't, if you're an enterprise, you don't have to worry about building your network as much anymore because most of your applications are heading to the cloud, right, the service provider. So they are emulating what the cloud leaders did, which, you know, the cloud leaders such as Google, you know, were very aggressive with open source and the telecom players saw how fast they moved by sharing code and having a more of a grassroots approach to building the code base. So that's, the reason why it's a big move is that's a huge shift for telecom, right? Because telecom has for decades built their proprietary networks. So you want LTE, okay, we're going to do it our way. We're going to work with a vendor and take years to build this very specific proprietary network. And they've looked at cloud and they want the speed, right? They want to be able to move faster. So AT&T talked about how when they deployed this new white box network in production, they did it in three months, right? Which is incredible, right? From the chip coming out of the foundry to developing the box and the software and the service. It took them three to four months, which is just an incredible change from the way these networks used to be, but it used to take years. Right, well the other really interesting play, I think you teased it out with the announcement with AT&T and this little company, Snaproot. Some little startup and we also heard it from Drew at Dell EMC that because of the open source connection via the Linux Foundation, it exposes them and creates an ecosystem that they can now leverage all the smarts and ingenuity and innovation coming out of a sea of startups that they may or may not have ever had a direct relationship with and to leverage that internally. That's right. It's a pretty cool factor there. Exactly, it can all happen a lot faster because if it's all based on open standards, you just plug it in, you know, just plug in, it doesn't work the first day, but three months is a big change from, you know, two years. All right, so last word, you're launching a new thing. The new Scott Rainovich, so give us the new name, where can people get information and when do you actually launch? I know it's a little preview, but that's okay. It's called Futurium and that's R-I-O-M, because the names are running out on the internet. I don't know if you notice that. And it launches in two weeks and it's my hybrid blog research platform, so I'll have contributed information. We'll have big reports on industrial IoT. It's a premium service, but we'll also have free reports, so you can download free stuff, you can download premium reports, you want to understand about all of these emerging technologies and IoT, SD-WAN, cloud infrastructure, where it's going, you know, Futurium is really. If you can't figure out the spelling, just tweet to Scott and ask him. He'll send you a link. It's at the lower third, so. Well, very exciting and we look forward to watching it grow. And thanks for sitting in with me here at ONS. Thanks, I always love doing theCUBE, so I hope to be back here soon. Absolutely, all right, so he's Scott Rainovich, I'm Jeff Rick, you're watching theCUBE. We're at ONS 2017 in Santa Clara. Thanks for watching, we'll see you next time as a busy schedule, check SiliconANGLE.tv to see all the shows we're covering over the next several weeks. We'll be pretty much everywhere, so we're out for now. Thanks, we'll catch you next time. Bye-bye.