 Bingo, I'm Jay Fiedel. We're back here at Think Tech for the 3 o'clock rock and this is our bodies, our hearts and communities with Aloha from Dr. Dean Nelson. Dr. Dean Nelson is a chiropractor but he thinks about meditation and he thinks about the greater good. I know this. I know him well enough to tell you that. Welcome to the show, Dean. Thank you so much for having me, Jay. Let me tell you, you know, my concern about, you know, the post-Waldenpond world. Okay. Post-Waldenpond. All right. There was a time when you could sort of get out, go to Waldenpond and hole up in a quiet place. Right. And be alone with your thoughts. Right. And know yourself better. Right. And thus know your world better. But we live in the nuclear age and there are demands made on us in every way, every day, in so many ways. And social media and the computer, the Internet, they really haven't brought us close to the Waldenpond. They've taken us further away from Waldenpond and we can't escape anymore. There's no big outback really available to us. I mean, even if you wanted to do that, it's just harder and harder to do it. So you live in a urban society, even if you're not particularly in an urban setting. Yes. And that means that there's pressure on you all day in so many ways. You cannot escape it because no, especially today, no man or woman is an island. We all have our little place in a fast-moving world. And this puts huge stress on us. This doesn't give us a chance to breathe. And when that happens, we have to find consolation somewhere. We do have to heal. We have to have a moment to think it through because we're mammals and mammals need a moment. Okay. So you're into this. I know you are. So tell me your thoughts about this problem. I mean, to the extent you agree or disagree. And tell me, you know, what, how should I look at this? Well, I don't think there's ever been a greater opportunity or message of how to find peace and how instantaneously it can be. So I don't know that I think Walden Pond is more difficult at all. If anything, I think it's more accessible. You know, that thing that peace starts with yourself. So I think in terms of the bigger and smaller picture, it's an individual commitment to find goodheartedness and a way of settling yourself into your heart on an individual level, moment to moment, or at least some reminders that helps you throughout the day to do that. So to me, Walden Pond is exactly present right now at the end of the outbreath. And at the end of the outbreath, all there is this wonderful man with a beautiful smile on his face and and us trying to help the world in some small way. So I don't think Walden Pond is far away at all. If anything, it's the demand is looking good for the stock of Walden Pond pieces on our minds. I want to talk about help help the world because you know, I began with my reference to the common good. Yes. And you know, at Think Tech, we truly believe in the common good. We want to work for the common good. We want everybody to be mindful and have that as their priority to work for the common good. So, you know, it's get out of your silo, get out of a certain avaricious way of looking at the capitalist society we live in and find, you know, a kind of way of doing business real business that that is is constructive for you and for the people around you. Okay, nothing fancy, not meditation necessarily, but just having a value on the common good. And so how can I exercise that? Is it just that I get in the elevator and I say hi to the people in the elevator? That does them a turn, you know, they like that. Right. People like having hi from strangers. Yeah, they like having somebody exercise a little contact and making, you know, making, making, making, recognizing that recognizing their existence. And I think that if you go through your day saying hi to strangers and smiling at people and having conversations that are positive constructive conversations with people around you, you'll have a better day and you'll be spreading your powdered happiness to everyone you meet. However, I'm not sure that's what you're talking about. Oh, I definitely think it's what I'm talking about at some level. But how you say hi or the presence that you say hi with is very, very important. If it turns into something where you're trying to get some feedback for like aren't I swell? I'm saying hi to you. That's a whole different thing than actually being heart to heart with somebody and sincerely seeing the goodness in them. So I think some of it has to do with training quite frankly, how you're training yourself to be present, how you're training yourself to be full of love. How do you do that? Well, I think there's three. There's kind of first thing I think the thing is, you've got to figure out how you get your body and your mind in one place. I know that sounds awful, awful, simple. Why do I need my body for this? Why? Why? Why isn't my mind adequate for it? Well, it wouldn't be except for this the deal you you drew up or the deal you made by giving a human form is that you've got a body. So you might have learned how it is to inhabit that because all kinds of wonderful things happen as soon as you inhabit your body. That happens to me. That does me a good turn. No, no, but it doesn't necessarily do you a good. It absolutely changes me how that changes the environment is even from us. If we say hello to each other with with really that in our hearts and minds, it stops the show. If we say that some sort of cursory, meaningless gesture does nothing. So you're in your body or mind and body, how you pick your nose is different, how you pick up a pen is different, how you move the vibration that you move through the world is the wave that you create. The whole decorum that you bring to the game is different once your mind is in your body. So you're saying that if my mind and my body are together, right? And when I address you in the elevator or on the street and smile at you and all that and offer you, you know, offer you some some sustenance, you know, spiritual sustenance by being nice to people who are strangers, right? And I'm going to be able to do a better job doing that. My mind and body are the same. Oh, there's no, there's no, I don't think there's any question about that. There's a whole different thing going on there. So yeah, I don't think there's any. But it's quite a bit of work. Mostly we traipse kind of treat our bodies like they're pets, you could say we kind of traipse them around after us and we chatter ourselves all day long every once in a while with brushing we teeth, we might even realize that we have a body that we haven't really taken care of nor been in all day. So I think believe it or not, in terms of things we spoke of before and stress, the first thing is just literally how to bring your mind to your body and all sudden you just go Oh, I belong to this planet and it rocks. This is a rock and great place. This is just because just because you bring your mind and body to one place. Let me be the get fly for a moment. It's a rock and great place. But if I if I go down my little list of picadillos, I find a lot of things about this planet are on the decline. I mean, start with climate change, right? And then go to Trump. Maybe they're the same thing. You have a trump card or okay. But you know, there's a lot of things, you know, there's this killing in Africa. There's, there's the Middle East is coming apart. Europe, you know, arguably is having a hard time. There's a lot of there's a lot of things that are, you know, I don't want to be nostalgic about it. But there's a lot of things that at least apparently seem to be not as good as they used to be. And I'm not saying let's make the world great again for democracy, right? Right. I'm just saying that that you worry about a huge devolution decline now, perhaps more than we worried about such things in the past. So it's hard for me to, you know, put my mind and body together and say, wow, this is a great world. Right. Well, there's part of me wants to go, Well, you know, I don't, I actually, again, I really don't believe that in some sense. You know, if you there's a Harvard, I think his name is pink pink pink or 10. I'm sorry, I'm not going to come. He wrote a book, less crime, less murder, less wars, more people fed on the planet, higher standard of living, more, more of a education that ever has been on the planet. That message doesn't get out. And Buckminster Fuller, another man, I'm sure you enjoy it. If we create this problem, we can figure out a solution to it end of story. So I'm not a pessimist on this one. I'm I don't think I'm Pollyanna. I certainly see all the blatant and horrible problems you're speaking of, but I also think the way the way out is the is in that the first thing we got to do is figure out inside how do we touch our own hearts? How do we touch our own Aloha? How do I know I've done that? How do I know I've done that? You know, I say, gee, I just had, you know, half an hour with Dean Nelson, and he told me that I had to, you know, use Aloha, touch my own heart and integrate myself, body and mind and I would feel better, be more effective and so forth. So my question to you was, how do I know I have achieved that? Is it a nirvana kind of thing where it's a switch on or off? You have it or you don't know? Or is it a grayscale where you have a little but you want more or you have a lot and maybe you don't need that much? How, you know, how exactly do you know where you are on the continuum? I think the first thing is, you know, because you're happier. I know that might sound trite, but let's do this together. It was you threw down the gauntlet the change. So here, let's do this. Go from here, right here, right now to here, right here, right now. How did you do that? You just did it. You go, see, we're talking heads. We're really tired of being talking heads. We really want to reside more in our hearts. So I challenge, go ahead, just drop down from heart. I think if you're saying, no, I'm not going to disagree. I'm not going to disagree. If you're saying, be aware that you're breathing. No, I'm saying drop your consciousness from up here to here. Focus on your chest. Just focus right here in your heart. Okay, you're beating heart in your in your chest. Yeah, you keep not doing it though. I'm asking you to do it with me and you will know. Just do it. How do I know I'm focusing on my heart? How do I know? Just drop your mind down to your heart. Drop your mind down to your heart. Why do you say drop? Because of your heart lower than your head? Because we're all up here praddling to ourselves all the time. As soon as you're daring enough to actually bring yourself to your heart, the whole world changes instantly and you will know. And you do it all the time. That's why you're touched by your world. That's why Aloha happens. But it really is a physical thing of dropping your consciousness from up here to here. And all of a sudden you see me different. I see you different. So what do you when you drop your consciousness to your heart? How do you know that you have done that? You will you glow instantly inside. You grow. Glow. Glow. Glow. Yeah. You're a glowworm. Instantly you get out. What does this mean? I mean you're glowing. You're happy. Yeah. Well and then problems you know the Einstein's famous quote you don't solve the problems with the mind that created it. So you're up here cranking out da-da-da. You go down here and you go oh whole another wisdom comes out. What I hear you saying is that here I am. I've got a I'm a student. I have a test in the morning. Right. I'm so stressed out about this. Right. If I don't pass this test I'm going to be in terrible shape. Right. So stop Jay. Stop studying. Yes. Put your your heart and your mind together you know go down to your heart live in your heart and you'll feel better. But. But. I'm not studying anymore. No. I've used that technique to avoid actually studying. And I won't be as well prepared for the test in the morning. You've probably had all those right answers. Now it's your mind being relaxed enough to come up with them. Probably all the answers are already in you for the long shot. But I'm not saying this is what I think the point what we're saying is what we're not talking about esoteric training. We're not talking about a lot. We're saying how are you going to solve these problems. Well it isn't me by two talking heads talk trying to out talk each other or two talking heads trying to out think each other. It's about two human beings being daring enough to go in the heart and say wow how do we solve this my friend. That's going to change the world. That does change the world instantly. Is it easy is it comfortable not an embarrassingly vulnerable and powerful place to live from. And I don't do it very often. Don't get me wrong even after really being intensely into this for years. It's it's almost an embarrassingly vulnerable and powerful place to be. But it's instant. You can do it instantly. You can do it home. You just go. You drop down you go and all of a sudden your life just goes oh my gosh. This actually reminds me of what we do in every talk show we we take a break. Yeah watch how instant this can be. Hi I'm Ethan Allen host of likeable science on think tech Hawaii. I hope you'll join me every Friday at 2 p.m. to discover what is likeable about science. We bring on scientists of all. Astronomers physicists chemists biologists ecologists and they talk about their work and more importantly they talk about why you should talk about their work why you should think about their work why you should like their work. I help them bring out why their work is understandable why it's meaningful why people should care about it why people should support science. We have a good time we talk about current events of interest. We talk about a historical event sometimes we dig deep into their research why they do what the joys and delights and frustrations of their work are. And in all we show a real world of science a real world of likeable science. I hope you'll join us every Friday at 2 p.m. we're back from our break we feel better we've had a chance to ruminate a little bit and you know you sort of get off the point stop focusing on the things that you know that we were focusing on we've we've changed our scope a little bit but you know I like to I like to dwell on another point you mentioned and where we agree to disagree namely the word aloha. Okay. Okay. What was it? Oh Pono Pono was another another word for dealing and all right right and that I you know I feel that aloha is a word that is elusive in our in our time because everybody uses it uses it for so many things and I just don't feel that it has personal or spiritual meaning to me anymore right it is a hello goodbye right right and it is a sort of vague thing about you know having having a kindly relationship with someone right but it is not it has no curative properties and it is not you know a solution to the ills of the world right you feel differently about that on many level well yes I do actually first of all in terms of a brand it just in terms of branding it is the most extraordinary brand I think in the world or one of those that you can say it's a show stopper I get the privilege of traveling on occasion as I hope you do as well and all over the world you say the word loha something changes so I know here and I'm not question that has been trivialized and overused to the point of almost it justifying any number of things but it is our brand it is what there is no other place on the planet where you get to say something that's pretty equivalent to I see the highest spirit in you I bless that I want to share that with you and on these islands this is what we have to bring to the world is this upliftedness of kindness of love of compassion again and just in terms of a brand there's nowhere from I'm Roby to disagree with that to the escalator I have great fun you know you're on the phone and doing mail or yeah talking to some official some far away from Hawaii right I'm talking to one of our Skype guests it could be anywhere in the world right to show stop and I say at the end of the conversation I say aloha yeah it is a show stopper yeah people don't know how to cope with that yeah yeah people don't know how to go you're bringing into a spirit always here hesitation right what do you say right and then they go aloha back and you go and boom you go all right you just brought in spiritual upliftedness kindness compassion love into the show that is our product in Hawaii that is how we it's really fun to do that by the way it is fun to do that and I and I you know I I don't mean to trivialize it but it it literally can change the word with the only place that has a word that's based on love that that that we're saying to each other constantly this reminds me of Warren Warren Price he's a lawyer for a time he was the president of the bar association he was an attorney general of the state for a while and he invented this thing which I thought was humorous and relevant to our discussion okay so you go to court you're a lawyer you go to court and the judge hands it to you I mean he rules against you yeah completely right and warring warring's favorite reaction was he would say mahalo your honor and in there would be this huge irony yeah right yeah thanks for giving it to me judge yeah he's gasoline no you know mahalo can mean many things but yeah he brought new meaning to the word mahalo right maybe you could you know apply the same kind of analysis to the word aloha I'm I'm not comfortable with that really but I but I think that it's it's hard to find continuing value in it the use of these one words when they have been they've been overused and I just wonder if you can if you can use it I mean when I tell a male or a guy whether or the guest or the clerk or whoever on the mainland a word that they never ever use in their lives maybe they have never heard anyone actually say it to them yeah lives yeah now you know they don't know what to do with that and it's it's cute it's fun it's sharing but it doesn't really it doesn't really pass the aloha to them you know I'm not sure that I think words are very very powerful and the word and I think in Hawaiian language that's very very much thought I think the vibration of aloha is a vibration itself that is a showstopper again I don't think there's any other place in the world that gets to have love be one of the predominant areas I have a business deal polls I have a business deal and the other guy rips me he just yeah it's a win-lose not a zero sum me right he's really got to hurt me right and he got to take advantage of me and do right kinds of morally you know offensive things to me and and he wins yeah it happens yeah and I I wasn't I wasn't meeting him there at that at that level of aggression now I have trouble feeling aloha for that person I have trouble you know you're probably going to tell me no you have to feel aloha you know no no no well of course you of course of course because you want to you ultimately want to win you ultimately want to win and you said at the break that you believe in the basic goodness of people somewhere inside himself he's he's he's laid a doogie you would say or he's he's he's done a bad deed he's done a bad it it somewhere he himself or that that person is still built from kindness and love it's just he's been mistaken grossly mistaken and thinking that he betters himself by winning by putting somebody else down that doesn't lower your game nor should it really necessarily lower how you look at that person it's just like you got to play a longer game with that person by long game I mean it might take a while or some incident usually it's pain of devastating sorts that actually brings us to our heart and sooner or later that guy will encounter if nothing else of death and that's a pretty big show staffer like whoa what did I really make up my life so of course there's people doing bad things but that doesn't make people bad the fundamental goodness of people the fundamental kindness of people is still there just hidden pretty thoroughly sometimes well how do you bring it out of music well there's all kinds of skillful skillful ways of bringing that out you do that very very well in forty four yeah I'm in Amsterdam sort of great movie called black book if you have a chance to read it on Netflix okay and there are Nazis there who are occupying Holland and who are doing really really bad things so bad that they're even doing corruption in the Nazi party itself that's how bad okay and you see them in this movie you see them doing this and forgiving them is hard oh finding value in them is hard oh yeah I mean every mother would love her son but it's hard for a third person to actually feel good about what these guys are doing right and so how do you deal with that do you feel love for him on some level and some on some level I do I mean you know they say that Tibetans have not had the post traumatic stress disorder that are showing up in our troops and other war war situations because they protect themselves with compassion while they're being beaten they're actually looking at the person that's beating them and said oh you poor man to be that distorted of mine to try to get pleasure by hurting some other person and they're actually protected by that and last year I actually got invited by our Marine Corps to teach loving kindness as a protectant as a resilience for mind and heart to our warriors so they wouldn't suffer so much from post traumatic stress disorder so I'm not sure that totally answers your question I'm afraid I probably took no but it's worth pursuing though so here's somebody who has the least the possibility of post traumatic disorder yeah and you're going to try to help him or her and so you show him that there's good in everyone and that they shouldn't feel that way they should turn the other cheek no no no no there's no shoulds there's no shoulds it's as simple as what we did together is that this is an experience that you have inside your own self as soon as you bring your mind to your body with breath and just be here something changes about how you belong on the planet it's not theory it isn't that you have to convince somebody you may have to ask them a time and time again take time to do this invest in this simple techniques invest in dropping from your head into your heart throughout the day see how it changes your day I always say here's the only thermometer are you happier when you have your mind and body in one place the whole world lights up you're happier so you say wow I like that better rather than this I like this rather than how do you integrate that feeling of peacefulness to getting the job done I mean in this in in think tech you know we do 35 talk shows a week right people are coming and going we have to be on time we have to do the job right has to look good we can't afford to mess up and the stress in all of that yeah so how can I relax and feel at one at the same time get the job done it'll fall apart won't know you really want to take three breaths and everything gets easier just do that just start there with three breaths between each interview and then ask me to come back and see if you do that dog on you that worked I like that or what you just did there is the natural thing that we do we laugh we smile we uplift ourselves from the side that way but if you're asking for put slogans up be present love your life put slogans up do silly things like that you're good at this you've been doing this thinking about this you know seeing the value of meditation for a long time but aren't there moments Dean Nelson when you have a bad day when you lose it when you can't think to your heart where you're ticked off at somebody right or yourself yeah and your karma is really the negative I call it when the winds above fifty I said above fifty there's no brave sailors you know they're everybody I said I caught strapping to your mass technique but but you there is some awareness you know you're actually a Morris in a nightmare you're you're in a mind-body nightmare you're having some sort of we call a glacier attack you're have a monster in your face could be hatred could be fear could be panic could be anything I say you strap yourself to the mass and you just say the simple thing come on good buddy you ugly monster come on and sit in my house and be ugly right here and you just don't try to change anything you literally don't try to change anything about this nightmare you just step back you don't do any technique you don't do any love and light you just say come on in old buddy tell you what put your feet up and be a slob matter of fact mess up my room and you just sit there like with a friend and so yeah I have those I have those all the time where I just get eaten alive by some emotional situation or where I'm wrong or I have to blame or I'm self righteous in this conversation you talk about yeah are you actually talking with yourself yes I do yeah self because it's another technique it's another technique where I'm going okay I'm in the poops here I'm I'm not seeing life right I'm absolutely not seeing life right it is distorted my reality is distorted with anger right now so come on in old buddy make yourself at home as long as you great big ugly bean want to be here and what happens the dog on thing changes it never stays the same you can't even keep up a good hurricane in your old mind because you're based on goodness you're based on aloha new way of looking at things Dr. Dean Nelson our hearts our bodies our communities aloha putting it all together thank you so much oh no this is my pleasure thank you to aloha yeah to you in every way in every way