 All right, all right. So I will call the February 5, 2018 Select Board meeting to order and invite you to rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I'd like to welcome everyone to tonight's Select Board meeting and just remind everyone if you have one of these, if you could put it to silent, we would greatly appreciate it, or turn it off, either one. Thank you. Okay, so we're on to number item two on our agenda, which is agenda additions and changes, and I see we do have some papers at our place, Greg. You do? First, I'll just mention one change. It's not an agenda change, but Pat Shidell is not here today. He's trying to kick a cold, so he is home recovering and you have me instead. As for the agenda changes and additions, a few things. We have some revised numbers for the capital budget, capital plan. That's item 5A. I'll run through those when we get there. For item 6C, the town meeting preparation, there is the flyer that's been handed out in the past couple of years about Robert's rules, as well as the survey at the back of that. Some questions and answers to the regional dispatch that I made since it went out to you, so there's a strike-through track changes version there just to see the minor changes. For consent agenda, there's a memo from the Morrisville Finance Director regarding updated general fund FY 2019 budget files. There are two emails from residents. You can ask me to pass on messages about the firearms discussion and some thoughts on that. Lastly, there's an updated community outreach plan for the select board, also for consent agenda. Okay. Thank you. So a couple of weeks ago or more than that, I asked Greg if I could have a few minutes on the agenda to talk about the regional dispatch website that I set up, so I'm wondering if there's time for me to do that tonight during public to be heard or should I wait till we talk about this regional dispatch handout? Let's see. Since it's on basically part of the agenda, why don't we wait until we get to that business item, okay? Okay. Okay. Okay. Do I have a motion to amend the agenda for these additional items? I'll move. Thank you, Mike. I have a second. I think I heard any further discussion about adding these items, the number of them. Here we go. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Hey, motion passes 5-0. Thank you all. Okay. Now we're on to item four, which is public to be heard. This is a time for the public to speak to the select board on things that are not on the agenda. Is there anyone here tonight wishing to speak during public to be heard? Anybody? Okay. Fine. Very good. We're going to move on to, it's, is it 7-0-5? We can go to that clock, right? That clock. Okay. So I will declare the public hearing open for the FYE 2019 capital budget and five-year plan. Who would like to kick that off? If I could, I'll just run you through the sheets that you're at your table. Okay. It's just minor changes. It's basically updates from the operating budget that was approved and just tracking that in the capital plan. On page one, highway equipment and vehicles. So that's one too. That's a third box down the first line. Highway equipment and vehicles. Greg, I'm sorry. This one right here. Yeah. The summary page? The summary page, yeah. That's, yeah. Okay. So that was handed out? Yeah. It was new handed out today. The update on? Just on the first page. Okay. So under highway equipment vehicles, under FYE 19 additions, operator capital budget transfer. If you scroll down, it's now at $168,000 and added to that column next to it is $17,000. It's reflecting the expected money coming in from FEMA and transferring that capital over. That changes the totals at the bottom as well in terms of just adding up those columns as to where the money is coming from. Okay. On to the fold-out sheets. On page two of the fold-out. Same thing. Highway equipment and vehicles. It's just the same information. I just changed the fold-out as well. Page three of the fold-outs. The descriptions of the hill foil mitigation and Indian brook dam repairs at the top of the page. Those descriptions were changed to match up the actuals. Scroll over, look over to FYE 19 additions for the capital tax. Budgeted. There was $15,000 from wreck impact fees that were going to go into there. Dennis, was wreck impact fees a transfer from recreation? Yep. It was a way to move the projects from an operating fund transfer to reduce the operating fund budget and to take it out of Alley's Reserve Fund. So it's a way to, it shows it now as being that in combination with the parks and wreck over on page, and I'm right here, page, give me a minute, prior page. The park asset replacement plan. There was a switching of dollars so that those dollars were not being transferred from the operating fund over. They were going to be taken from the capital reserves. And that's why it's shown as, and both in the project description and the FY additions capital made that change, basically based upon the changes you made when you did the operating budget. Long winded, but that's how we got there. Lastly, on page, not quite lastly, on page five of the full doubt numbers, the numbers at the bottom of the page and the grand total for FYE 19 additions from capital for operating transfers and FYE 19 additions. Numbers were updated just to match what was changed. And lastly, I'm sorry. The fourth and fifth columns. The fourth and fifth, yes. And then lastly is the summary page, and same thing, it's just updating the numbers like what else is shown elsewhere in the capital budget. Dennis, is there anything else? Yeah, the only thing I wanted to mention, and I think Andy had brought this up, was that when we take a look at the actual reports that shows the out years. FY 20, 21, 22 and 23. There's lots of blank spaces out there. And this goes back to the whole transformation of how we're presenting the capital plan. Now that we look at it in retrospect, the earlier plans is difficult. Sometimes it is to understand this one. It's as much easier to understand than the earlier ones because we're mixing a combination of income and outflow. And what we wanted to show on this chart, what Sarah wanted to show and which we agreed to set up, was to show just projected future spending. There are a number of projects that we have listed, identified as capital projects where we don't have a number, and it's left as blank. It could be a to be decided. And some of that, quite honestly, is where we are in the development of this plan. And I'm as guilty as any other staff person. There's some elements in here that we really need to have throughout the year. Some of these, I think we've worked out really well, but some of these, we need to come to the board periodically during the course of the year, for example, on the equipment replacement plan and get that accepted. So when we do the capital plan, the numbers just flow in for the next couple of years. That's in here. That's pretty clear. Some of the highway paving projects are in here pretty clear. What isn't in here are some things where we may have unidentified future needs. For example, and I'm just going to go through, if you look at the master list, there's two pages that shows the outer years, and you look at the second page with those outer years. There is, it could be a zero or it could be a to be decided. For example, the blanks. Like, I'll give you an energy saving projects. The balances of FY19 is $24,247. There's no expenditures in the future years. It's to be decided, but what we really need is, quite honestly, and every one of us has a bit of a piece of this that we need to solve. In this case, it may be the energy committee. In other cases, it may be me or be another staff member. What we need to do is come to the board with our five-year plan for what our expenditures are going to be based upon the income that we put in every year for the two cents or whatever else we're setting aside. So there's at least a well-defined plan out five years. IT had a plan. It's outdated. It needs to be updated. So there's no information there for IT, even though they have a plan of how they're going to go forward over the next five years and utilize the approximately $25,000 we put in each year. It's not a written plan. And so my recommendation is both to myself, the staff, but also to the board, is for us to come back with those plans for each of these categories so you can look at them mostly pretty straightforward. They can be done with the operating budget, but it's that other piece that needs to go in so in future years we can fill this in with very specific numbers as to what our spending plan is for the next five years. And they're outdated. When we changed this and we decided to go to just spending, we don't have that information yet. So we left those columns blank. In some cases, we really don't know what they might be. We know that we're going to repair the roof, the slate roof at Memorial Hall. So that's in there. And that's planned for an expenditure in FY21 of $105,000. That's us saving up four years for the money to do that. So that was pretty clear. So right now we're not going to expend anything in FY20, and FY22 and 23 it will be done. So that one's right where it should be. But then like I say, you work on the other ones and they're not as clear. I know the question, Andy's come up with a question, are we going to buy a senior van or aren't we? Well, we've got a fund in there. We've got money in the FY balance for senior van. So what is the next five-year plan for that senior van? And I think that's the question that Andy had before. We don't have those answers. So there's two. Is it realistic to have those answered before the next year's capital plan? Yes. It should be, if we can't, we should be able to do estimates on there and have, there should be a document that the board can look at that looks at senior vans and identifies what the plan is. And the plan may be we're not going to spend anything in the next five years. We're just going to keep that money in the bank. We may not put any more money away. That may be the plan. But right now that plan is not well-defined. That could be a dozen staff and get us to a point where there's a better understanding. So I guess what I'm saying is we've decided to leave those spaces blank. You could, if you would like us to, we could put a TBD in each one of those spaces, meaning to be decided. So that we know it's not zero. It may not be thought to be zero. It's not zero. Now, like in the case of the slate roof repairs, it is zero. It's a zero and 20. It's a zero and 22. And it's a zero and 23. But for the others, it may be a to be decided. And I think the senior vans is one good example. Right now I don't think we can tell you when we're going to spend that money in the senior van. But we have money saved for that eventuality. So we should have an entry there that either zero or a to be decided. So it's really a question of how you want to present it to the voters. It doesn't change what we're going to spend this year. It doesn't change the plan. But I think for the future, it ties the plan together. I've done a lot of this in the past, as part of developing the capital plan. I think it has to be a broader perspective, including all the staff, the committees that are associated with some of these, like the energy committee, for their input so that you have a plan for capital expenditure for that particular line item. And that's my recommendation that I make. And that we quite honestly, you force us to do it. I think we need to do that and we need to put those pieces together for the next year. So it's real clear. And if someone has a question, you pull out that plan and say it's to be decided because at this point we don't know what we're going to be doing with that project. And do you think that's realistic that, again, it could be done? I think it should be done for the next year. I think as I ease myself out of some of this work, we need to ease ourselves into some of those reports so that future boards look for those reports from staff. And when they look to the capital plan, the capital plan is kind of the end result of looking at all those other intermediate steps of how are we going to spend that capital money. And at the end, it might be a very easy thing to approve the capital plan. We've already looked at each one of those, just like you do with the fire department vehicles and the public works vehicles, you approve a plan and we put that plan into this document. I think those other areas ought to have similar plans and be put into this document. So to create the plans, obviously that's going to take time to do. But what about, as you were saying, to update this with the zero or the TBD? Is that doable? We talked some about that today. And I think that it doesn't change any of the numbers in the plan. Right. So I don't have any problem if you would approve the plan as it is, or if you would approve the plan and say fill in those blanks with either a zero, meaning we're just going to slight roof being an example, or a 2B decided, and then footnote at the bottom so it's real clear where we're going with it. Okay. We'll have that discussion when we get to the business item. That was a long winded, but that's, I wanted to get there because it's an important piece of this that right now is not complete, or as complete as we'd like it. With you retiring sometime in the future. It ought to be done. Good to have it documented. And I'm as guilty as everybody else, so I'm not pointing fingers to any other staff. I think we all need to take our specific areas and clean it up. Anything else? Okay. So open up the questions. Andy. Greg, on the Indian Brook Repairs 1, it's at page 3. You had mentioned that the description was updated to reflect correct numbers, but it says, the penultimate sentence says, in FYE 19, 3,000 is budget from the operating budget, but in the operating transfers column, there's nothing there. And I thought that I remembered we removed that from the operating budget. So is that, which is correct? No, in the, I don't remember. No, in the version, the last version that I got from Sarah, and I hope we're all looking at the same one, the words under, just under the dam repairs or the mill foil? Dam repairs. Under dam repairs. Yes, that should be deleted. That line should be taken out because what was added at the end was capital tax under proposed amount of 17,000 for FY 19. That is correct, the 3,000 belongs out. That was not deleted. Notice you fixed the mill foil question. We fixed it, but we didn't fix this one. Right, so that needs to come out. The 3,000 is budgeted. Good catch, Andy. Okay, other questions? Any questions from the audience on the five-year, the capital plan? Any more from the board? I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing on the FY 19 capital plan. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Irene. Any further discussion on closing the public hearing on that? None? All those in favor? So you can probably be saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, public hearing is closed. Thank you all. We're going to move on to our business items now. And the first item of business is approval of the capital budget, which we just talked about. So, Greg, do you... So now you've had a chance to review the capital budget again and the public hearing. Time now comes to ask you to approve the capital budget and the five-year plan. And it is recommended that you, the select board, approve the fiscal 19 capital budget and five-year plan. Okay. Thank you, Irene. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Sue. Okay, any further discussion about approving the FOA 2019 capital budget and five-year plan? Do we need to remove that sentence that references the $3,000 that's not there? Yeah, we could say with the select board correction of removing that line from the Indian Brook. Okay. And what about do we also want to have it updated with the zeros and the TBDs, as Dennis proposed? By next year. I don't need to. Yeah. I was worried if it was done quickly, if we might misrepresent something. And by next year, there might not be any TBDs. Is that right? Hopefully. Hopefully. Or there'll be an explanation why there's a TBD decided. If we have a scoping study grant for a project but we haven't identified what year we might get funds to build that in, that would be a TBD. TBD because we know we're moving on the project. We know there's funds, but we don't know when it's going to get built. Okay. So then the only update then is on page three, I guess it was, under Indian Brook dam repairs, to remove the sentence in FOA 2019, $3,000 is budgeted from the operating budget. That's being struck. Okay. So we have a motion from Irene, seconded from Sue. Any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor of the FOA 2019 capital budget for your plan signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. The motion passes 5-0. Thank you Dennis for all you do on this. Thank you. Very good. Thank you guys. Okay. We're going to move on to our next item of business, which is a selection of facilitator for community discussion about firearms ordinance. Great. So at this point, we received four applications to the RFQ for the firearms discharge or firearms discussion. So I have no discussion about how to handle the ordinance. Hopefully you've had a chance to review all the facilitation applications. My thought is to do sort of what we did with the municipal manager recruitment firm, and I'll pull up a spreadsheet, and there's some sticky dots in front of you, sticky notes in front of you. My thought was to have everyone go up to the board and put down the stickies next to your top choice and one sticky next to your second choice and see how that splits things out. If it's an easy top choice, we can move forward potentially pretty quickly. If it's split into two different tough decision to make, we can discuss from there. If we do discussions, whether it's one person and you want to finalize some contract details, or if it's choosing one out of the top two to figure out who to offer a contract, the option is there to go into executive session to discuss contract. Okay, but we'll see what we can do in open session. It may be obvious. So we'll do two stickies, one labeled one, one labeled two, or how do you do it? I was thinking you could put two next to your top choice and one next to your second choice. You don't write anything on them. Just have it be a count thing. But if you rather do something different, that's fine. Before we get into that, I'm happy to answer questions. I was just trying to preface it a little bit. Andy. Do we need to have more discussion about what we're expecting here because some of the responses suggested that maybe we weren't clear on what we were asking for. Well, we have the RFQs. They are what they are. So I think we got to go with what we have. And I think there's a lesson there that says maybe we need to put more detail into our RFQs. But I think for this one, we're not going to go out again. No, no, yeah, no, I'm not... Yeah, okay. Okay, so you have anything you want to put a... Okay, something up on the screen. And this is not a firearms ordinance change discussion tonight. All we're talking about is trying to find who the facilitator will be for that public forum. Okay. We would like to go first. We can all go up there at the same time. Going to the big board, Brian? Yeah, 200 verses. Okay. Well, it looks like it's a pretty close call to those two. I mean, although one has more, but everybody be comfortable with going with the one that has the seven versus the one that has five. I guess that's a significant one. I guess I'd like to hear from the people who liked Mark just so that, you know, if they want to defend their choice or try to give us the rest of this line, I'm fine with that. I would actually say in the other direction I would like to hear on the two. Well, if we want to discuss the merits or the pros and cons, then I think we need to go in a second session. But if we're comfortable with this, we can choose an open session, try to do as much as we can an open session, right? And then we would, you know, do the next step, which would be seeing what we do about the contract, what we want in the contract. So would everybody be okay with the one that got the seven versus the one that got the five? That executive session if people want to talk about it. Okay. Well, I'm just trying to see if they're not, then that's fine too. We'll go into executive session and we can talk about it. I'm just trying to see if we can, not try to pressure anybody. Yeah, I was on the fence between the two. I think it would be a good thing to have a discussion between the two. For me, they were my third. So I would like to understand what other people saw. Okay. Then that works. So we'll have an executive session to talk about contract. Who's going to get the contract? I might suggest if anyone in the audience has comments before we move on and go to executive session at the end of the night. Okay. Anyone from the audience have an opinion about the facilitator? Okay. Then we'll move on to the next time. Thank you all for giving that a try to do that in open. That's great. So we're going to go on to business item 6C and that's a discussion about town meeting prep. My packet. Yeah. So just in preparation of town meetings coming up on Monday, March 5th. Town meeting night with the polls open on March 6th from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. It's time to do our annual touch base and figure out what exactly we're doing for town plan and run through what we've done in the past and see if there were missing anything, if there's anything special or different that should be done this year. To date, you put the memo in front of you, but to date so far the select board schedule outreach has been passed out and you've already started going to do some of the outreach with some of the Q&As. Info sheets for Q&A info sheets have been put together, hopefully finalizing those tonight with a couple of changes. Town clerk has organized informational tables for town meeting night that are usually out there and getting ready with our different boards and committees and service organizations. The community dinner has been scheduled and senior bus and childcare have both been advertised and staffing is ready to go if needed. Some other potential options is to do a meet and greet with the new town manager during the community dinner or before the community dinner. There's a survey which I passed out tonight that has the Robertsville's in order, some of the common definitions that people might hear and there's a survey at the back of that, just a quick question. Little piece that's been well received the past couple of years. Also the past couple of years started doing the welcome reading to everyone attending town meeting which has also been well received. That's what Andy brought. I think it's been too early last year. Those are the thoughts of what's been done to date. Wanted to bring it to your attention to see if we're missing anything or if you wanted to change anything this year from previous years. One thing we're missing is the Boy Scouts or the Girl Scouts or somebody to bring in the colors. It would be nice. Right. Okay. Girl Scouts last year, Boy Scouts two years ago. Go back to the Boy Scouts and keep trying to alternate each year. Got some in the audience here. The Boy Scouts be willing to do that again? Okay. Great. Okay. Yeah, that's a good one. For the meet and greet, how does that sound to ask Evan to be available at the dinner and then we could do, you know, kind of a short intro to who he is and then allow people to go up and talk to him during the dinner. We have dinner from 6.30 to 7.30, right? Correct. That sounds good. Maybe we'll get more people to come for the meet and greet. Okay. Excellent. Anything else? Oh, on this outreach, I think I told everybody. We had a number six here. Irene found another opportunity at the high school for a girls A basketball team to play ADL at the high school. So that's a good one to attend and she also volunteered, if I'm right, to stop it. So thank you for that, Irene. Okay. What's the date on that one? Two, nine. It's this Friday at 4.30. There already was something, but it's earlier in the day. Okay. So I just wanted to make sure that if your boys are really interested, want to do the town meeting colors, can one of you give me contact information and I'll contact you to make sure we can coordinate that so that you know what we're looking for. Yeah, so I'd be happy to coordinate that if everybody's okay with that. So, okay, if you can give me your contact information. And it'll be Monday, March 5th. The meeting starts at 7.30, so you'd be up pretty much first up. Okay, great. Irene. Has there been outreach to committees formally inviting them to have tables? Because I know some years we've been proactive about inviting them because we have some new committee chairs that may not know that that happens. Thank you. And I think we know the tower fundraiser folks will be there. Andy? The survey. I know we did it two years ago. We collected it. We got a lot of good input. Last year we handed it out, but I'm not sure anybody collected it. I've not seen any response from it. So it was two years ago, the first year, but I think last year, I don't think we assigned anybody to actually collect them, and they probably all got recycled. So I don't think we were able to come up with them after the fact. So I just want to make sure that we... I will volunteer to collect them afterwards to make sure that they get collected unless it's preferred that staff do that or somebody else. Thank you. Do you want to take responsibility for that? Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. So is there some significance to the symbol that's... or is it just a weird font that printed that way? That's just what came out. There's no significance. That's all. Unless you want it to be. Yeah. Okay. Would you like to see that removed? Raise his questions. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Sure. Okay. Good. All right. So I guess we're set then? We're ready to go? Okay. Careful. Thank you all. Sorry. Yes, Sam. On the welcome reading to attendees, are we going to do the same thing that we did last year, or do we want to do something different? Do we have any discussion on that? The welcome reading to attendees, to the... Okay. Do you have a question? Do you want to do anything different? Question. It didn't come up tonight. I mean, is Sue willing to do it again? Or do we want... Yeah. I'm fine doing it. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. I thought it was all open if there's other ideas. That's consistent with the clerk doing it. Clerk doing it. So... All right. If you're okay with that, then I think that's great. You still have a copy of it. I have to look in my town meeting folder, but I think so. Okay. Could you dig it up if you needed? I think you sent it to me soft copy, so I'm pretty sure I have it. Okay. If you don't... I'm sure I need to... Yeah, I still have it, too, so... All right. You have the book, right? The book that I originally... I think we've modified it slightly from that. Yeah. And I think you even get credit to that author, right? I did. And I think we have a pretty good list here. Then... All right. So there's no motion to be done there, right? No discussion. All right. So let's move on to the next discussion. Business item 6D, and that's a discussion of governance and representation and PREP for February 13th joint meeting with the trustees. Great. Max, pretty much introduced it. There's a joint meeting coming up on February 13th. One of the topics, the past few meetings, has been governance representation. At the last meeting on December 12th, the select board decided that they wanted to discuss some of those issues internally. Amongst yourselves before we bring it to a joint meeting, and that is right. I'm asking for this to be on the agenda, so I'll keep it over to you and let you add comments or what would you like to say? I mean, I was just really responding to last meeting in the consent agenda. There was a letter from Ramona Shepard that I think to me articulated it very clearly, and my message last meeting is kind of carving out from the political and emotional venue or component. I think if you think of the ten representatives, the five trustees and the five select board members, you have ten people present that are representing the people that live inside the village, but you only have five people present that are representing anyone that lives. So I think that there is some inequity that we should be talking about how to handle that. Okay. There you go. I mean, I think there's two basic solutions, right? Either add more representatives for the town outside the village or you reduce the number of representatives for the village, the people that live inside the village. That's not the only solution, though, right? There's two. Those are the two. Those are the two, but those are not the only two. From a pure numbers representation, yes. So I designed the visual as I was scarfing down dinner tonight. One sec. Before you hand those out, those actually, when we do agenda additions and changes, all these should be brought in the beginning. But it's a handout. So if we're going to do this, I want a motion that says we can add this to it because we shouldn't be doing this after we amend the agenda to have all these additions and then have additional ones come later. So I'm okay for you to do it, but... I'm introducing a diagram that explains the topic. Do use words. I'm going to use a picture. But if you want to add documents to it, that's been our practice is that we do it in the beginning under additions and changes, not after. So right now, if you do that, that's kind of against our policy. I'm not saying you can't hand it out, but I'm just going to ask that we do a motion to accept it or to amend the agenda. I've heard speakers come to us and hand out things in the course of talking about a topic that is on the agenda because I'm not introducing anything that's not here. With guest speakers, yes, we do that. But from the board and staff, we do it in the beginning. I can make... If the board's okay, we can do it this time, but I'm going to really request that when you have something you know you're going to hand out, please hand it out in the beginning. I knew it's at 6.30. I knew it's at 6.30. That was even dinner. I brought this at quarter seven and put it in there and got it in there. So if the board's okay, we can hand it out even though it wasn't in the beginning. Is that okay? If you could, if it goes to everybody, not just everybody, let's do it in the beginning. Thank you. I'm finally just handing it up, holding it up and showing the TV camera as well, whatever you prefer. Thank you. So this is a visual representation of, I think, what Sue's describing, but again, some of us think a picture is worth a thousand words, so I decided to produce a editorial. What this shows on the left goes how the residents living in the town, the town inside the village have representation from the trustees, and that representation is 100%. Whereas the select board is half representing them and half representing town outside the village, folks. As you'll see on the right-hand side, we have town outside the village residents who are not at all represented by the trustees. Their interests are half represented by the select board, and then I drew a circle called the missing link in which we could add representatives like the trustees have that are 100% speaking outside the village residents who, as you can see from the picture, I think quite clearly are very much without an equal voice in this. And just to go back to history, we've had years and years and years that we've talked about how tax fairness needs to happen, and all of us have been on board with that. We've consolidated a number of things. We have increased taxes for outside the village residents and decreased taxes accordingly for inside the village residents. It's now time, I think, to address the other inequity, which is the representation piece. That's what I'm hoping the rest of the select board will acknowledge. What's the solution? I heard that there are more solutions than what Sue offered, so I'm interested in hearing people's ideas. I offered one at the joint meeting, and it was not due favorably, so I'm open to other ideas. I just want to ask a question. When you say add representatives from outside the village, what are we adding them to? You could put them in the missing link. You could add them to the audience at that meeting on the 24th of March. There are all kinds of ways to get in. I think it's a completely public meeting, and everyone is invited, so anyone can show up. They are. I'm just not sure what we would be adding people to. We've already added the entire population to King's. I'm not sure even what we're talking about. We're talking about globally. We never have anybody in a select board or a trustee meeting that's solely representing the outside the village folks. So according to this diagram, we might want to set up some sort of group or have a group elected or set up a charter for a district outside the village that is equal, at least, in population to the village population, and therefore some might argue deserve to have representation because their taxation is not equivalent right now with the representation that they have. So it's not just for March 24th, but since we're talking about this issue on March 24th, we may want to do a test run. We may want to propose this as one of the options. I'm totally open. I just know we have a huge problem to solve. I'm just not under, I'm still not understanding what we're adding them to. I don't think, you know, are you talking about a governance model that has a representative of people outside the, representatives of the elected by outside the village? We can't do that before March 24th. I'm not sure what you, I guess, I don't know, she suggested, I don't know what you're, where the solution gets implemented. Maybe that's the right question to ask. Well, I was, the meeting on March 24th is identified as a lunch meeting with the trustees. Is it an opportunity for more than just the 10 of us to sit around the table and have a discussion? Or is it the 10 of us sitting at a table and potentially people being able to, like, jump in at certain points in the conversation? Because I would want to make sure that, that anybody that is attending, if they are able to attend, I wasn't really sure because the way it was being framed as it was kind of an offsite, more private meeting, but if it's, it's open. It has to be awarded by law. That's positive, so that's good. But will they be able to be, I don't yet have a sense of how that meeting is going to be facilitated. Is it going to be just, you know, open dialogue or is it going to be more, you know, in the fashion of our meetings here where the public has certain opportunities to talk? On the 13th, we're actually going to, I think, lay down some ground rules. So that public participation would certainly need to be part of that discussion, whether we do or we don't do it on the 24th. Mike? First of all, a couple of things. I reject this premise. I really, truly, cannot see the need to put five-tounds people on here when you have a select board that is duly sworn to represent them in the first place. Number two, Irene said something about a charter. That absolutely makes no sense to me whatsoever because with all of the consolidation work that we've done for the last four years, to go in and do some kind of a special charter to allow five additional people to come in and have a say when you have open meetings that are duly warned, it just makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Number three, the meeting on the 13th will be duly warned. It has to be in order to make, in order to comply with open meeting law. You mean the 24th, the lunch meeting? The 24th, excuse me. And I'm all for letting whoever wants to show up if I remember right, we set this on a Saturday to try and promote as many people coming to the meeting as possible. So I think if we warn it properly and we get out the word, whether it's front porch forum and articles in the reporter leading up to that particular day, people to do the job that we were duly elected to do makes absolutely no sense to me at all. All right. So the charter idea is part of the brainstorming. I thought that was going on here. I'm not looking to have it shot down or approved or fleshed out. I was just told that we don't have any more than two options or what we do, but we aren't articulating them. So that's just something that I said because if I said we need to set up a separate group, then I would be told they can't, as I have in the past, they're not chartered. They can't make decisions. And I understand that. So I'm saying I'm open to all kinds of ideas for giving people outside the village the same decision making power as the people inside the village who are trustees in the long haul. So the question is, as we look at governance, especially as the select board, because we are the ones who are half responsible for the happiness of the town outside the village and half responsible for the happiness of the people inside the village, but there is no one who is 100% accountable to outside the village residents, and that is the issue, and that's why I drew the picture. We are. I'm 100% in the village. When I represent people inside the village, I view them as town residents, not as village residents. I would agree with that. And I think where I'm getting gummed up is that because the select board represents the entire town, so 100% town, 100% town outside the village, 100% town inside the village, but then the village gets the added five people that are only representing the town inside the village. So if you're going to use percentages, somebody who lives in the town outside the village has 100% representation, and someone that lives inside the village has 200% representation. I need just some clarity here, then. Are we trying to solve a governance issue long-term, or are we talking about the meetings that we're going to be doing near-term? If it's the former, great to bring this discussion as we're developing it, and if it's the latter, then it's a whole different discussion. I think Sue was going, then I'll get back to you. I just think that in order to have a fair and equitable discussion, we need to make sure that we have fair and equitable representation in that discussion. So I don't know that there are disjoint things. I think we need to make sure that we have equitable representation when we're discussing what that future governance model looks like. I can't help but think that this seems to be a solution to a problem that we don't even know we have yet. If you're talking, and I have to agree with Max, this seems to be, at least to me, the arguments that are being made to have it appear to me to be guarding against a perceived possibility that the governance that we will come up with in the future is going to be inadequate. It seems to me to be a solution without a problem. I'm sorry, I disagree. I just don't see it. As representative of people who live outside the village who have brought this issue up time and time again, I understand where they're coming from, and it behooves me to speak on their behalf, even though I also represent people from inside the village, but I do understand where people like Barbara Higgins is coming from. Iris Banks before that and many other people in between and afterwards who say, we don't have enough representation at the table, and the way that you see this visually is there's no other weighted circle on this chart that shows, for example, if this were hatched in, that there is equal representation in decision-making. So you can call it a solution waiting for a problem, but I'm saying if we don't know that this is a problem when we go to talk about governance, once we make decisions, it will be too late to address this long-term problem of not having adequate equivalent representation. Then if you're talking about solving a problem, then we need to have the select, we need to have the trustees as part of that discussion, and that's what that meeting is all about. I just don't see, I cannot see the rush to solve a problem that doesn't even exist yet. Sam? That'll be fine. Okay, there's two things for the minutes. Is there any nation or any community in the United States that gets representation without paying taxes? I don't know if we can answer. So that's one. I want to just point out as a taxpayer that you don't get representation without paying for it. Second, how is the town outside the Village of Residence taxation not equivalent? You made that statement and I just... Well, tax equity has been an issue that, for example, all the current trustees who hold office ran on when they ran for office several years ago. Right. So that's one of the tax equity issues. So you may want to ask them how they define it. But you said the town of... If I understand this, that's why I'm thinking about it wrong. You said the town outside the Village folks feel their taxation is not equivalent. Is that right? Did I get that wrong? No, the town inside the Village. Folks want to tax equity. Thank you. So maybe I misspoke. Thank you. That's what the historical... Yeah. Okay. So it seems to me that if the town outside the Village wants that representation, it just happens, unfortunately, that you have five trustees and five select board members. Right? Too bad there wasn't like five select board members and three trustees. Right? It's just the makeup of it. Well, I believe... So that if you guys do want, then I guess you should pay for it, right? I don't think there's any other municipality that gets representation of that. Well, we have things like the District of Columbia, which pays federal taxes but has no representation last I knew. So I think that satisfies your first question. And then... I'm sorry. Could you say anything? I believe the District of Columbia last I knew doesn't have representation in Congress, for example, but they do pay federal taxes equivalent to all of us. And the municipality... Yeah, the municipality called the federal government. It's a government. I'm just thinking of a state. Okay, then we have Puerto Rico who doesn't necessarily have... She's asking for examples, okay? And I'm being put on this spot, okay? That's why I said I don't know if we can answer that. Well, I will think about that and I'll get back to you at our next meeting. That's important. Andy, you had your hand up. Yeah, I guess there's a couple of things. One is I'm still not sure what we're adding people to, but certainly an option that could be considered when we have the broader discussion. And I know we're not... Our intent is not to solve it here. The governance issue. The governance issue, right. And maybe this is a way to say that, yeah, we're thinking about it, is you could establish two districts, one outside the village and you have representation. You could have a select board of so many people with X number at large, X number from the village, X number from outside the village, all voted by themselves, all with their own budgets, all with their own problems and discussions and factions. That's certainly a way to do it. And so... It's one of many options. One of many options, right. So I'm just saying that to address the specifics that Irene is bringing up here, that is a possibility. I'm not saying that's where we're going, because I have no idea, because it's just, you know... I'm just trying to figure out if that's the discussion you're trying to get us to have, or whether it's... I'm trying to define the problem. It's whether... I'm sorry. Or whether it's... You want more participation from outside the village in the discussion of how we're going to govern this entity called Essex with its village that's inside it. Is that... I still... Sorry, I'm really struggling to understand what you're asking for. There's two clear things that I think we're kind of talking about over each other. One is the long-term solution for governance, and that's what we're getting together to talk about. Right? And that's not going to be just the trustees and the select board deciding that. That's going to be... We're bringing in a lot of input from the public because it's their community. Right? So we're going to have to find a way to do that, and there's many ways to do that. But that's... To get to the long-term solution, that's one thing. But if we're talking about how we're going to actually discuss this short-term in the next few months by adding people, that's a whole different discussion. And what I'm trying to understand is which one are we talking about? The governance that we say we want to solve in the future, or the discussion of governance in the short-term, and is that where you're talking about adding people? So I'm talking about the latter, adding and ensuring that the voice of the town outside the village is represented in the same capacity as the voice of the town outside the village in the discussion where we're talking about governance models in the future, so the short-term. And I think part of the concern is that when we started to discuss this at the last meeting with the trustees, there was some reference made to that the boards will decide or at least make a recommendation and then engage the public on what the boards had decided. So I think it's very equitable from the start. What would that look like? Are you proposing a solution or just dividing that that's an issue? For the discussion? Let's just talk about the discussion. I honestly, in my mind, envision some sort of a large round table or oval table where we were all, anyone that wants to be a part of that discussion is at equal footing on that discussion so that's about when we, on the 13th, we talk about how do we engage the public at our kickoff meeting on the 24th, right? And I think that's a great topic for the 13th to say. How are we going to do that? Because I totally agree with that. We want to make sure that we're getting the voice of everyone. It's a big decision. It's not going to be made overnight and it's not going to be made just by us. I mean, we're the final say, I guess, on it, but we would do that at our peril if we did it in a vacuum. And I just think it's important that we, as a board, talk about it before we're having the discussion with the trustee. And that's what we're doing tonight. Okay. Andy? The meeting on the 24th isn't necessarily a discussion about how we're going to do governance. That's an informational meeting for us to learn what the options are and those kind of things. I don't think that meeting is not where we're going to come out of that meeting and say, this is how we're going to go forward. I don't think we're anywhere near that yet. And I think that's the starting point of education. Okay. So to get to the question that was tried to answer here is, can you get representation without taxation or do you have to have separate districts? Can you transfer assets owned by the village to the town? How does all that work? I think that, I thought that was what we're talking about on the 24th so that we are informed when we start having the discussions about what's actually legal, what's been done before. That's, in that meeting on the 24th, absolutely should be open to all members of the town, whether they're inside or outside the village and all on equal footing. Point warned. Right. And so, I saw Mike and then I'll come to you. Okay. Adding the five people, because I think maybe I might have misunderstood when, in the timeframe of things, when were you suggesting that these five people be added? Eventually, I just wanted to find the problem tonight because I got the sense of the last trustees and select board joint meeting that we didn't even understand the problem, necessarily, that there is a lack of equivalent representation between the two boards for all of our constituents. All right. So, just so I'm absolutely 100% clear, you're not talking about adding five people to either of the two meetings that are coming up in the near future. I don't know how we would do that. Okay. But to be aware, that's the issue, right? If that's the case, if that's the case, then I don't disagree. That is an option that would be part of the discussion as we move forward. And I agree with that. However this comes up, whether it's a board of seven, whether it's a board of nine, whether it's a board of 10, whatever that number, or whatever, I would consider this as a part that would go into the mix for the discussion. I misunderstood you. I thought you were looking to add five people to this immediate discussion that we're having. Number one, I couldn't figure out how in the world we were ever going to make that happen, and I could see no reason for it at that stage of our discussion. So just to clarify. Good clarification. I think Sue is next, and then I'll come to you. Yeah, just on Andy's point where the discussion on the 24th, the way we were framing it, and you are correct, was to have it be an information-gathering session and supposedly have some experts or knowledgeable folks that are going to be able to share and we're going to be able to ask questions and whatnot, right? I mean, it's still kind of murky to me exactly how that is going to work, but it's framed as an information-gathering session. My concern is that, because it is a four-hour meeting, that we at some point stray from that and start talking about, and now we've learned some things about different governance model options, kind of trying them on for size and talking through and brainstorming, and I want to make my thought process as I would want to make sure that there is equal representation in that discussion. So either we set ground rules for that meeting on the 24th, that it is strictly, the content is strictly about gathering information and learning and not about jumping into that next discussion, or if we're going to jump into that discussion, we ensure that there is some vehicle for anyone that wants to be a part of it to be unequal footing with the other, the elected representatives that are there to have the discussion. Well, they'll never be on the same footing because they're not elected, but that doesn't mean that they can't share their ideas, concerns, whatever, with us. We just need to find a way to say, when we're to discuss this as here today and as a group on the 13th, when and how we want to bring in the voices of whoever happens to want to join us at that meeting. But they'll never, they're not elected, so they're not going to have same footing. As you said, the final decision lands with the board, but if the intent of that is an open dialogue to understand where the community, what the opinions of the community are, then we're all just members of the community having opinions. Yeah, and we need to be careful too that even if we have 50 people come to that meeting, that's not the whole community. As our board, and hopefully with the trustees, we need to do way better than that and get more voices. And I'm assuming we're going to need to do not a survey, but probably several iterations of surveys in order to ensure that because there's no way we're not going to take those voices. We're not going to just take the voices of a few, even if it's five people that people are on board so when we does get to that, it's just a formality because we already kind of know what the community wants. And I think if we can get to that point, then we've done a good job. If it's a surprise at the vote, then obviously that's not a good job. Does that make sense? I completely agree with that. Going back to the equity conversations, so you have five elected officials that are going to only be seeking the input from the town inside the village, and you have the same number of people that are going to be seeking input from the entire community. But if we talk about a survey as a group of trustees, that that survey is the entire town. And I don't think we're going to have a hard time convincing the trustees that that's the type of survey we're going to do. I think that's our job to ensure that everybody gets represented and that that's the only way to do it, really. Right? Andy, did you have another comment? I thought Irene was next. Did you have your hand up? Go ahead. Can we or should we sometime have a discussion about how we've failed to adequately represent people outside the village? Because I don't understand how I've failed to do that. So that's where I'm... So what no, what disadvantage do they have? I think they're... What's the advantage to be gained by having... You mentioned taxes before that. I think you said... Can I ask a clarifying question about what you said? I thought Sam tried to ask it, but it was... I didn't get the answer that I expected or didn't understand it. I thought you said earlier that people inside the village, their taxes went down and people outside the village, their taxes went up. That's been the goal of tax equity all along, is to equalize the tax... No, no, no. So, I'm sorry, are you explaining by saying that what tax equity means or are you saying that we have over the past years through this consolidation stuff lowered taxes in the village and raised taxes outside the village? That's a correct interpretation of what I believe has happened as tax equity has increased. Okay, I've got the numbers here. Great. So, I think there's a... a misperception that's there because the... Point of order. Is that... Yeah, I think we're kind of straying off of what... You wanted to counter... Yeah, and maybe that's why I want to have this discussion about whether we've failed to adequately represent people outside the village because I think there's some misperceptions about what has actually transpired. That might be a good one. And it can be a different... I'm perfectly fine with it being a different discussion. I think Mike's right. We kind of speak here. Yeah, I agree. Thank you. Would you be willing to share your numbers in advance of such a discussion so we could also study them and be sort of surprised with those? I will submit them to be included in the consent agenda next week. That's way helpful. Your next meeting. Thanks. Unless we're... Yeah, I'll do that. Okay. Any other discussion? Mike? I'm just going off to one point. Sure. As the only village resident who sits on the town select board, I would dearly love to know how I'm not representing both. I'd really like to know that because in the six or five-and-a-half years I've been here, I've never heard anybody tell me that I'm slanted one way or the other. It's always been what's best for Essex, the community of Essex. So I'm... I'd dearly love to hear that. That'll be part of the governance discussion. We can talk about pros and cons for all the different scenarios out there. You know, again, make sure we get the voice of the people for us to work with that information. Try to shape it into something that's starting to get some form of governance and then I think we're going to need to go out there a number of times to get it to the shape where everybody says, oh, that looks like something we can all agree to. That's going to take a while, but I don't think we're in a rush. All right? So I don't think you should take this personally, Mike. It's not that you personally have failed. It's that the structure fails people because they don't have 100% representation from a board equivalent to the trustees. It's not on the select board to make that work because, of course, we are representing everyone as this diagram shows. There is just the missing link, and that's what I'm saying. The question I want us to ponder in our spare time is how do we solve the missing link? It's not about the select board failing. So please don't misunderstand me. It's about the way the structure is set up that people outside the village feel they don't have equivalent representation, and I've heard that. I'm sorry to blindside you with this revelation, but I just wanted to draw it. It's fine. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. This should be a lively discussion when we start getting into the degree. Okay. I don't know what Mike disagreed with, and I just want to make sure that we go into that meeting. What do you disagree with? You said we're going to agree to disagree. I still submit that this is a solution looking for a problem. I think having this missing link and this equal representation is number one too early because we haven't even had the joint meeting with the trustees yet, and number two, I believe the trustees need to be a part of that discussion as well. If we all agree that we are serving the greater community and that we're serving the Essex community, they have to be a part of that discussion, so I just think it's way too early. A possible solution? I've already admitted that I misunderstood your original intent with this, so my apologies for that. I just misunderstood. Is it a part of a possible solution into the future? Absolutely, it could be. I just think to belabor it now is, I think it's a waste of time. Yeah, we should have. It'll be an interesting discussion. And not a discussion, but a series of one, I think. Okay, so if it's okay, can we move on? Please. To a consent agenda. I have a motion to approve the consent agenda, please. I would approve the consent agenda with select board member comments. Do you have a second? Second. Okay, comments on consent agenda. Anybody? I thought we should talk about the item B, welcoming the new municipal manager. I think that there's probably some additional, there were some suggested information items that could be shared. And I think that we could probably come up with some more things that would benefit him, not to overwhelm him right at the start, but I also saw the trustees had put together a list of things and I thought we should probably have similar type of items, yes. Yeah, and this is what we'll, one of the things we'll discuss on the 13th, bringing the trustees ideas and ours together so that when Evan comes, we have one plan. So this was, this was just to get you thinking about the 13th. That'll be one of the items on the 13th is to talk with the trustees about what should happen. So the list of documents was just a, just an example. Just an example. Just to get the wheels turning. Okay, sir. So you have other suggestions for documents? Yeah, that'd be great to bring those on, on the 13th, yeah. Anybody else, consent? I guess on that same topic, there's one of the suggested things to provide is the policy documents, and I'd like those two, because I don't think I have clean copies of all of our policy documents. The interesting part of it is all of them, certain documents that you think would be most worthwhile to him right away, that's part of it. Okay, so you're, it's pretty open-ended at this point. Well, I think it'd be good for this, I mean, when I first got elected four years ago, I got a binder from Pat, that's, a lot of it's on a date now, and I've possibly haven't been diligent putting clean copies in there, and I'm not sure are you ever obtaining clean copies of some of them, because as we update them, they get approved, and then... Or do you get links to them on our... That would be my preference, right, if they're just up on the website somewhere that anybody can access. You can do that, be good. Anything else on consent? Maybe I should have brought this up earlier when we talked about town meeting preparation, but we seem to have town meeting preparation also in consent agenda. Does the Q&A sheets are there? I guess I have the question about why we have a dispatch question and answer. I thought it was that residents might be seeing it in other towns and wondering why it's not happening in Essex and just clarifying that the select board decided not to put it on the warning up to vote. Certainly take it off and not give it to you for distribution, but I thought it was just getting information out there as to why it's hot on the ballot, since it was a point of discussion and if it's happening in other towns. Would you like to see it removed from the packet? I'm debating with myself whether, since it's our town meeting, I guess it depends on how much other stuff we're handing out to. Last week when I handed it out, I only had the two, but I don't know how many we're up to now. Just three if you had that one. There's a few changes to the budget Q&A as I added some information about the fire department alignment, but besides that, it's just the budget Q&A and the conservation fund Q&A. So are we actually going to mention this at town meeting? It could come up at public to be heard. The answer to some of the questions has been in the paper a bunch. I'm okay if you don't want to hand it out. I mean, it's sort of saying, hey, this is something we didn't do, but it is something we considered and it's been in the papers and other towns nearby have done it, so they might be thinking, well, why didn't we? I think if we're answering the question why we decided not to do it, which was the key thing in there, I think it's important, because people might not have filed the storyline all the way through at some future time, but based on the lack of information and the lack of questions being answered, we had decided not to do there at this time. Mike, what are your thoughts on that? My first blush reaction is to have it there. I fear that town meeting is going to go further afield with a lot of questions about this. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know, but I'm wondering if this is going to raise more questions that we can't answer. Then it's going to answer. That's all. Some of the questions they asked about the benefits, maybe the tax savings. Well, we can't answer that. That's one of the reasons why we said not yet. That's why we didn't want to do it in the first place. Does that mean we don't tell them why? No, I don't think that's... I guess it's just a comment that I'm going to... I hope it doesn't hijack town meetings. Well, it would be at public to be heard, but I don't think it's going to raise the last article. If it's something they'd like to talk about, and this happens to trigger some questions, I'd say that's a positive thing. Like I said, that's my first reaction as well. You're okay if we hand it out? We're just down to three anyway, right? Three hand-out sheets? Correct. I don't know if I handed out the basketball games. Are we planning to hand that out beforehand as well as at the meeting? That's produced it over the weekend, so you haven't had a chance to hand it out yet. But I'm saying we have a lot of dates left on our event calendar. I would say that's one I would save a tree and not hand out yet. I would say that for town meeting. I would agree with that. Keep the packet to just two, the budget and the conservation one? Yeah, when you're a basketball game, I think those are articles that we're asking them to vote on. This is informational. I think that's a good idea. So hand-outs will be just the budget and the conservation one. Those directly address article two and three and four or something. What's in the stack that's over there? Conservation. That's just conservation. But we want to include all three at town meetings so that they can pick up that as information. Okay. And kind of keep it simple, for the hand-out so it's specific to the articles. Okay. Larry? So I had asked during the agenda to dial up the website, if I could. To do what? To dial up the website about regional dispatch. Uh... I have designed a website about regional dispatch for anyone who's interested in the highest view about it. And I had asked to put on the agenda but that hasn't happened. Okay. We did say that that would be okay, right? Sorry. Is it confusing it? So just by way of introduction I can talk about if you don't mind. I went to ten of the joint survey committee meetings that were held in Colchester at 8 a.m. on Wednesday mornings. As you might imagine, there were not many members of the public there. In fact, I was the only person there month after month. The press didn't get there. I understand why they often have late nights covering meetings like this. But everyone else there was focused on making this happen. And I had the distinct opportunity and advantage, I think, to sit in the audience and be able to take in all the information at arm's length. So what I decided to do was given the complexity of this issue challenge myself to boil it down to something that I could explain to my voters should Essex warn it as a vote. And should Essex not warn it as a vote, it could be beneficial to my other friends in Chittenden County who are going to be voting on it. What's the website? ChittendenCountyDispatch.org. I learned a whole lot of things sitting at those meetings. One of which was although regional dispatch is heralded as a way to speed up dispatch it won't speed up dispatch much at all 9-1-1 hub also known as a PSAP. If other towns besides Shelburne, which is the current PSAP decide to do regional dispatch anyway there's not necessarily any inherent time savings in dispatch but they would be able to take advantage of some economies of scale. There are also some other ways to speed up deployment of emergency responders. One of those is which is the 9-1-1 technology itself that's currently deployed in this country. As you may have seen an article in the Wall Street Journal earlier in January of this year you can get a pizza or Uber can find you very easily but 9-1-1 cannot. So a considerable amount of time is spent by dispatchers trying to ascertain where callers are because the 9-1-1 system is not as robust and modern as the software you use on your smartphone for other things. This is the introductory page if you want to scroll down Greg I can just show you there's a blue box near the bottom that talks about all the options that we have these dot-weeps it says current options if you want to scroll back up a little bit more please Thank you right there. As the current options right now we have a 9-1-1 two stage response here if you call 9-1-1 in Essex you get someone somewhere in Vermont picking up that call and then they have to forward it to Essex before they deploy emergency responders whereas if you call dispatch via the ironically named non-emergency number you in many cases will get faster dispatch. I have to raise a point of order again I'm wondering I'm wondering why we're having a discussion on this if it's not being presented to the voters and that we've already voted on it I mean I've looked at it but I would make reference to the fact that it's there and then move on we've decided that we're not going to put it out for a vote I'm just wondering why we're going through all of it again if it's not going to be presented to the voters and that we've already decided the issue I wasn't aware that this URL was sent out to the board so I apologize if I'm wasting your time I did not No, you're not wasting my time I'm just saying that I don't think it's appropriate to go through a whole long explanation of the site given the decision that the board has already made If you want to send out the URL maybe just some highlights that would be probably appropriate I'm just about done So So there are two current options and then of course there are the proposed options there are pros and cons of each and there are pages on the website that talk about the options talk about the people who helped make the decision and I would welcome you to visit Ed Sheerleesure once again it's chitcountydispatch.org and the only reason I brought it up tonight aside from public interest and public information is that I know in the past when some of us have gone to events like the VLCT days or the municipal day at the day house we've had an opportunity to share what we've learned and so I thought you might afford me a few minutes to share what I've learned because I think that when we call 9-1-1 or we know that there's a better alternative to calling 9-1-1 I would not want to withhold that information from people I meet with on a regular basis that you might appreciate knowing that so I wanted to share that. So thanks so much for indulging me. Is this vetted by anybody? The information on here? You'll see on the frequently asked questions page a number of the questions that have come up one of which is why did you bother since Essex has voted not to do this and one of my responses is that Essex may do this eventually. I just want to make it clear for the record too that this is does not represent anywhere from the select board this is Irene as a concerned citizen. Yes indeed and because I'm being cut off really I might have taken you to the about page where it says that right at the top but since we're in a hurry I didn't say that you are correct Max it is solely my own work as a resident of the county not as a member of the select board. Thank you. And you can send out the URL if you want to. If you haven't already memorized it I certainly will. Thanks. Alright anything else in consent? Hearing none all those in favor of the consent agenda signify by saying aye. Opposed? Okay most passes are 5-0 we need an executive session to help you. Yes, ma'am. I just want to publicate a apology. No problem. I haven't been to any of the meetings where you guys were all asked so my apologies to all of you. No problem. I am on some pain killers so that could be part of the problem. Part of the problem. I hope they're working. No problem. Thank you though. Okay so we'll need a motion to go into executives. Andy. I move that the select board make the specific finding that premature general public knowledge and decision concerning proposed contract discussion replace the town of substantial disadvantage. Thank you. Andy do I have a second on that one? Second. And all those in favor of that motion signify by saying aye. Opposed? Most passes are 5-0 we need a second motion. Andy. I move that the select board enter into executive session to discuss contracts pursuant to one VSA by the deputy town manager. Second. Any further discussion about going into executive session? None. All those in favor of entering executive