 So, if anybody wants to join in, I like this to be just a big open meeting. I believe we're limited to nine folks on video at a time. But if anybody wants to join the video, please do because I don't like sitting here talking by myself during these meetings. This is basically a Fedora design session live session. So basically what we do is we go through the Fedora ticket queue. And we triage basically Fedora design team issues. And so this is a good opportunity. If you've ever contributed or if you've ever not contributed to Fedora before and you're interested in design, this is a good way to sort of get started and to find tasks to work on. Hey, Maria, how are you doing? Hi, I'm doing all right. If I switch my video because my son is just trying around going crazy. Okay, cool. I'm going to try adding Paul back, but he was having audio issues. So if it if it's too loud, just just brace yourself. Hold on. You know, I didn't really have an agenda beyond the original Fedora design sessions live, which is basically we do ticket triage. And if anybody here has like specific issues that they want to bring up first, we could talk about that first. So Maria, did you have anything that you were working on that you wanted to mention? Well, we're just kind of talked about it with the Fedora classic in the previous session and I just, I don't know if you'll look at the poll results, but most people seem to be like eight people were for this one and 10 people were for both. And yeah, so that's both one in the end. Yeah. I mean, it's totally something we can be flexible about and we can like have different ones that people like we could do a sticker sheet that is just like all different classic style Fedora logos maybe. Yeah, but we can have more. Why not. Oh, I just thought for a second here it is. Okay, cool. So basically I'm going to write down the poll results here. Oh, now it loads the images. Geez. Fedora is a tricky trickster. Okay, so we did a poll at nest live and there seems to be. Okay, cool. So that'll be neat. Yeah, so regarding the ones that are in there right now do we want to put some more work into them? Like, should we collect feedback? What do you think? Like, I think the year needs to be updated on the car. And then we could also talk about different design elements and then like, should we should do work some more or the cool stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think we were thinking the date if we use a date should be 2003. Yeah, I mean, I think this could use some more work. I mean, it was just kind of thrown together. So classic one. I mean, I had some feedback. I didn't necessarily put it in the ticket, but I guess the one thing that I get from this version is Fedora is like a very rounded thing, but some of the lettering has like square, if that makes sense. So I didn't know if that was something that could just be rounded off so that like, like these corners would just be rounded or something if that would make it more. Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's easily going to be done. I mean, if you could believe the comment. Sure. Also, some folks were concerned this comes off as the last and a classic to move it closer to the sea. Oh, yeah, I think I saw somebody typing that. Yeah, just just filling that gap a little bit just getting. Yeah, I just bring it closer. Yeah. I think that would be good. Rounding the corners, squared off areas to fit. And pulling the classic closer to the sea. Okay. Does anybody have anything else on this one or any ideas for like additional classic layout logos we could do. Just stop right there and just scroll a little bit back down. Some more. So I think when we're working on one and go up a little bit. This is what I write about Thunderbird. Yeah, so my Maria and I were also looking to grace something like that. I mean, like have clap classic on top like where this after and the logo. I mean, if we're doing multiple, we could go that way too. I mean, there's a there's a draft of it somewhere below. But some work is the font was not real good. Oh, I see it. Yeah. Yeah. Put more work into that too. Yeah. And that's a neat option too, because it can fit the whole logo with the logo type, not just the mark. I like that. Yeah. And I think also the sheet of, I think these are car logos actually. Yeah, because it's Daimler, something like this too. Like just using these as inspiration, although some of them, I don't know, like Studebaker, right? Like it has a logo, but it's in the back and it's covered. I don't know if we'd want to cover the logo. The point is to kind of show off the logo. And it's a lot of ideas here. Cool. All right, so let's move on to another ticket. Does anybody have another ticket they want us to look at? I mean, I think one that I wanted to talk about today was the wallpaper because I actually don't know where we stand. I was going to suggest that too. Yeah, with the timing, I'm bad with the schedule. I don't really know if I kind of feel like it might be due this month at some point. I don't know if I put the dates in here. So this, by the way, for I guess a couple months now, I have been using this as my wallpaper. And it works. It doesn't cause me issues. I like how it's not like it has an organic feel because it's real, right? It's not like some kind of 3D, whatever. I don't know if it would benefit from like a vignette or something like that. I also haven't tested it with other people. I've just been using it, but I really like it, like just as it is like this. People have seen me using it and have made comments on it, how it looks kind of cool. So, I mean, honestly, like I would have no qualms about just shipping with this, but I don't know how other people feel. It's very pretty. How was it created? I should talk a little bit about that. So basically I have this personal interest of hand marbled papers because I have done a lot of book binding in the past and it's something that was used pretty much exclusively for fine art book binding. So my art, my fine art that I've done outside of Fedora is also influenced by that. So I actually have a marbling kit and that I set it up. I use Fedora colors and I took pictures. So this is an image that Moe added it. So I'm just, I'm just thinking like there's more people here probably than usually come to our design sessions to want to give them a bit of a background on why we did this. Like what was the idea behind the wallpaper this year? That's a good idea. So our inspiration is a NASA astronaut, Mae Jameson, and she was an astronaut, a medical doctor and she was studying the effects of weight loss. Weightlessness on the human body. And we were also thinking about, you know, we have the backdrop of the pandemic, which we would like to see end at some point, please soon, please. So we kind of like talked about these different aspects of it. So we were talking about like, we like the visuals of perspectives and illusion. We like the idea of maybe like a spaceship where you're floating in the spaceship because you know that Dr. Jemisin studied weightlessness. So we really wanted that idea about weightlessness. Then the human body because she studied the human body that was one another track we were thinking about. We're talking about like a return to normalcy where like when you're on a space shuttle or some sort of space station or whatnot, you're sort of like your weightless and you're floating there. And you're sort of cooped up in that space in the same way people were cooped up during the pandemic to their homes when everything was locked down. So we were thinking about sort of like you're stuck in this restrictive environment in your floating, but there's sort of hope for the future. So we're thinking about sort of like hope and like looking to open things up again. Yeah, and then this was just sort of like we're feeling again weightlessness playing with perspective that kind of stuff. So those are sort of like the four visual sort of tracks we went on. And I think the idea with the marbling is we did and unfortunately, it's just not my friend today. It's not loading stuff. But we did a few sketches and looked at a few inspirations on making something appear weightless. And Marie had this interesting connection with the marbling and how when you put the inks on the water that they're literally floating on the surface of the water, and they're kind of swirling and kind of moving and so we thought that working with that would give us sort of the visual of movement and what is a somewhat restricted flat static image right. So that's sort of I think how we ended up on marbling is we're basically, you know, again the overall theme being made jemisin and her work, studying weightlessness, we wanted the the image to sort of have a quality of being weightless. So you can kind of feel that like you can kind of feel it almost looks like waves on the water and you can see a lot of layers of it. So that's kind of where the theme and kind of concept behind it comes from. So it's sort of connected to the pandemic in a way and it's also inspired by, you know, this NASA astronaut and scientist. Very cool. And I like how the top left corner is like a sort of blurry because it's hard for the eye to focus like on all of it at the same time. So I would suggest make the right lower right corner kind of blur to maybe just going into the background a little bit so doesn't you know it's your attention doesn't sound like all over the wallpaper. I think that's really pretty. Yeah, that's why I was thinking something like a vignette or something may it could be like a vignette that's not a vignette but it's more of like a blur out, you know, like a filter around the edges. And it probably we'd want to draw the eye kind of over here. I don't know. Can you see my mouse pointer I guess you can't sort of in this lower left corner where there's like the orange one. Oh yeah that's a good idea. So this this area here, like if we keep eyes around here maybe like here a little bit. The other consideration here is before we get this package for beta. We probably want to change the default color of the fedora logo again I'm using my mouse sorry over here is actually a fedora logo but you can't tell. So we probably want to make it like force it to be white for this release so that it'll stand out. Okay, so any more comments on F 35 is anybody want to try this out and test it for us that would be actually super helpful. I can drop the link. I'm going to try it but then I never see my wallpaper. But something I like and then I never open it because I have so many tabs open like 10 browser windows and I just never get to it at all. Oh these are some this is actually the same image that I'm using I did some coloration to it to make it more more like blue if that makes sense, because it originally had some purple. Actually, I pulled the pink out. I think I oh this was an idea that I had to make it you know how the wallpaper can change during time of day. This was an idea for the night version. And then this is the one that I'm using now so if folks wanted to test these out given that will probably make some tweaks to to the kind of like blurring on the edges and stuff like that. Are you guys cool with this one where it's like a little bit of an orange glow to the white. I think I like the one you have more than that one. Yeah, well the idea is this would be the time of day at night. So, okay. Yeah. Okay, yeah I can do that. So be sort of just, you know, I don't know. So it kind of fade that way. Okay cool. I'm just checking the comments to make sure I miss anything. Oh I see this Q&A. Yes, the wallpaper can change with the time of day. I think we've been doing that for a while. It might not be set by default, but we usually ship a time of day wallpaper. The logo for the Fedora calendar. So if you notice that the logo for the Fedora calendar is still using the old logo definitely file that in the spot, the old logo repo that would be super helpful. Okay, so let's see. It looks like Paul posted an issue for us to look at next. Let me open that. Oh and I also just want to quickly capture what we talked about. Okay, so we talked about this today in our meeting decided to go with this for beta some small tweaks for our focus areas and yet plus fix the Fedora overlay logo to be visible. All right, so now we have notes. Oh yeah, so if you're using, if you're using not known, then you might not notice that the wallpapers are animated. So. Okay, so here's the issue. Oh, okay. Yeah, so so Paul thanks for filing this this is helpful. We don't really need to discuss this here because it's just a simple replace. So but thanks for pointing that out. Okay, so let's go back to the queue here. If nobody else has anything they want us to look at then you know I can just go from the top. Okay. Okay, oh this is actually kind of cool exciting news I don't know if anybody has noticed this. We actually have been working with fedora legal on the new logo, and one of one of my long running very menial tasks that I have been doing since 2006 is Manning the logo at Fedora project or Q. So for a very long time historically we were told that what we're advised it would not be a great idea to just post the SVG publicly for folks to use. We want to sort of talk people through their usage of the logo make sure they're using the guidelines things like that. Since the ancient history days of say 2005 and 2006 actually a lot more brands have started putting downloadable brand kits on their website and having clicked through so that before you download the goodies. It puts up sort of a thing talking about this is the logo uses guidelines by downloading this I agree to follow the guidelines that kind of stuff, which we never had in place which is part of the reason why the logo queue was manually, whatever. We've actually been given the go ahead, like formally that we can set up something like that in fedora so I no longer have to manually answer people when they asked for the logo yay, you know, great. So this ticket is basically to basically design the website where people go to download our branding materials. This is probably going to be somewhat of a big project but we could probably set up a small one first, maybe on docs that for our project at work. Just so people can get the logo files in the meantime, and then, as we build out the the for branding guidelines around the new logo. This could be a component of it so maybe you know it's a thing where you're reading the logo guidelines and there's like a sidebar toolbar or something that brings you through a workflow where you can actually download the assets. So there's that. And we also could think about sort of how we want to provide those assets. Typically now in the logo cube and people ask for the logo, I kind of ask them well, what do you want to use the logo for what size do you need or what color do you need and I just do it for them. If it's going to be more self service we probably want to give them more of a variety of like little bits and things that they can use to make what they need to make. So like what I like I have this set of like what called, they're just named sheets, and I have like this is like a full sheet. And it just sort of has like a little bit of everything like these are different versions of the logo. These are like different logos that are part of the family like workstation or silver blue or stuff like that. And we have an application template and a team name template. So, you know, we could just ship this sheet as an SVG just a single SVG, you could grab the parts of the components you needed from the sheet. And then we're not sending people like this big zip file of all this different stuff. So, you know, that's one approach. I don't know if folks have ideas or preferences on when they download the Fedora logo how they prefer to get it. But that's one idea that I had. Another thing that I think would be along the lines of the logo. And let me think. I think it's actually. Oh, I just wanted to say this is my final the final final final Fedora logo directory. That's where I keep it right now. I started working on. Ah, hold on. I started working on a colorblind safe palette for Fedora so probably the palette that's here. So these are sort of like the formal colors but say you're using the Fedora palette you want to make a chart or diagram or something. This is a set of colors. Let's see. Hold on. Okay, the resolution on this is a little bit lower than I'd like but this basically this is sort of like what the colors look like for normal vision. And they're ordered in a certain order so that if you use them in this specific order left to right in like a chart. So you're trying to like color things differently so they stand out. And this is the differences in them for folks affected by different forms of color blindness so that they can distinguish between the different items. So I think that that should definitely moving forward be part of our brand kit is sort of colorblind safe color palettes for charts and infographics and stuff like that. So that'll be sort of a new addition. Any ideas and other things that they think we should include in that packet I think we should be deliberate and think about it because I don't it's not something we ever thought about deliberately before. We basically just send people either we make something that is specifically what they need or we just ship them a bundle of SVG startup, and we could probably do better than that now that we can actually build a web presence around it. I'm excited about that ticket and definitely you can use help with this. You know from everything from figuring out the design figuring out what kind of payload we're giving when we give people our brand kit to actually implementing the site, all of that is stuff that's open that we need help with. So, I thought that ticket would be worth talking about. Okay, so Paul as you find stuff that's not consistent. Definitely file tickets. Let me look at this and see what what it is specifically. Yeah so Paul we already brought this one up. Oh no actually this is not the logo this is the theme. Yeah so this is something that is just. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward we have a standard theme that we use for fedora infrastructure apps. And actually, honestly pegor itself is a good example of that. So we have the gray bar. We have the fedora logo in small and this has been updated with the new logo we need to update this one too but it's just the logo type that has to be updated, and the color I guess. We'll have the logo there just the logo type the name of the app and then a gray scale icon that is unique to that app and again that's part of the thing that we talked about in the logo talk before this one is we like having unique icons for the fave icons tab so people can find their tab when they're working with a lot of stuff in the window. So yeah I think up updating the fedora calendar to this style is a good idea. What where the design team would come into this basically is coming up with that gray scale logo for the calendar and once that logo is ready we would pass this off to the websites team to actually update it to the whole bootstrap based CSS theme that these sites use that makes them look consistent and I think just it would take somebody with web development skills to go ahead and do that update. So I'm actually going to write that so design team task is to create a gray scale calendar icon. So I'm going to take a ticket with the websites team to update to the new standard that per gore, etc use. I think it's just per gore.io websites for the website one. No, the fedora web fedora websites. Here you go. I just posted it. What else we have here. If you require people to extract logos from a sheet they might do it poorly. Yeah. Collection of PNGs makes it easy for people to get a properly cropped image. Yes, but yeah I guess we could have a thing where you could download the PNGs you could opt into what you wanted so if you wanted low hassle you just wanted it ready to go you could do the PNGs. Typically that the bulk of requests we get to the logo queue is actually people who want the SVG for very specific reasons. So, you know, maybe we could do the SVG sheet for people who want SVG and know what they're doing. And then if you just need a copy of the logo for whatever that needs to be ready made that we give you a PNG bundle that could be one thing to consider. So, I'll throw that in as a comment because I think that's actually helpful. Consider providing SVG as a sheet of multiple assets, and also making available individual logos in PNG format as a bundle for folks who don't want to DIY. Okay. What is this Python community logos? Oh, is the Fedora Python logo on there? That would be cool. Yeah, that is a good model to follow. Actually, let me throw that in the ticket too. Thank you for that, Miro. Oh, yes, I didn't see you were joining. Hold on. Hi, sorry. It doesn't like make a noise or anything. What are the Python logo for the formats? Like, there is a picture and then you can choose one of the couple formats. I don't know if the Photoshop one is really required for us, but you can get PNG and SVG and stuff. They also have a couple more options. But if we really have like 20 different kinds of logos in 20 different formats, it might look more complex. If this one, it's created by a third party service. I don't know if it's Czech or English by default, but you can change it to English in the top right corner. Okay. English. So you can get some fonts and colors and if you click the logos, then you can choose the picture. Like in this case, they only have two, but we would have plenty. One of them, you can see it on dark background, light background and you can download multiple formats and you see all these information. Oh, that's great. Then let's see the logo pack. Oh, yes, they have digital versus print. I don't know if it's make, yeah, you get multiple options in there as well. It's funny though, it's CMYK because it's like it's black and white in the end. That much. It's black though, isn't it? Like some special CMYK gray. Yeah. Anyway, so I think it's really nice way of presenting the stuff you can download for a logo. They also offer typefaces and colors. This is great. And it's created by visual book in the bottom right corner or even bottom left. There's a link. I'm not necessarily saying we should use this because it's probably not open source. I'm not sure. Yeah, we can use it as inspiration. Cool. Oh, this is great. Thank you. Yeah, I love seeing kind of examples of folks who do it right so we can try to do it right ourselves, you know. Okay, that's it. Yeah, I think, I think there is, I think there's an open source platform to do this kind of stuff and we tried to make a long time ago. And it was some kind of weird, I don't know if it was like Ruby on Rails or something, but it was something to do with how it was implemented just made it very difficult to use. So we may want to do something where it's just, it's something that could be on docs fedora project org or something like that and use that system. So it's not too complex it's sort of just static content if that makes sense and easy to update you don't have to be like a coder to do it. Just for the best. Okay, cool. Thank you so much. I actually did the early, if not the first fedora or first known logo guideline guide, the fedora branding guide very long time ago. Interesting. This is pretty minimalist. I think ours would definitely be more complex because we have so many sub projects and teams and stuff. I think this is a good reference. So I will also add that to the ticket. Thank you for that. Okay, so let's look at the next. Oh, this is one I've been working on lately. I'd be interested to see what you guys think. So this is for Apple. Apple needs. Oh, that's the mascot. Hold on. I want to do the logo. This doesn't actually have an official logo or like a real logo. So, let's see, I think the original thing, the original mockups had like a horse with the, oh yeah Pegasus with a briefcase. The issue with these mockups is the image wasn't, it was a clip art that wasn't openly licensed if that makes sense so we couldn't go with this. The typography definitely is not like we need to do something with the typography to make it more integrated rather than just sort of floating there. So I played around with it a little bit. That's where we're talking about the license. Alright, so then what happened is there was some suggestion maybe to put Apple in the Fedora bubble. And that's kind of a big branding. No, no, unfortunately it's against our guidelines to have anything or like be, you know, removing components of the logo like that. And this also uses comfort, which we're sort of trying to get away from. So, I kind of came in and sort of suggested a few things. Yeah, so I was trying to figure out like these are sort of for Apple, sort of the thing that is like at the level or like, almost like it's pure, I feel like would be almost like addition level, because Apple is something that you kind of add on to an OS. And it's got like a repo and everything and each one of these is a repo. I mean, I don't, it's very strange thinking but I just feel like in terms of like what level or complexity Apple is it feels like it, it sort of appear to the Fedora editions. So first I looked at those, and then I looked at how can we see how this artwork it's like these rounded squares, rounded long rectangles, and then like the server has little nubbies. So I was trying to use that same graphic quality so we could sort of fit with their look which is very simplistic I understand but so I tried to implement the Pegasus using that it actually kind of looks like an old 1980s adventure game if anybody's played Space Quest or Kings Quest he kind of looks like that. But it's kind of weird to so you know we did a bunch of iteration. So let me go through here. It is so unfortunate that like Pagore is doing this it's very unfortunate. All right, that's where I ended up. So I started playing with this guy and like trying to do different things with him, trying to make him look like he was a Pegasus but at the same time like so you could, you know, so it fit with the other graphics, but then also sort of, I don't know, was I kind of started coming at this and I really like the tail shape. You know I like for whatever reason was really intrigued by that I thought it was neat I thought it could make a neat abstract figure. And again this is just trying to simplify simplify simplify because the original ones just had too many components to actually hang with the addition artwork. So then what I did is I thought well let me focus in on the tail that kind of gives you a suggestion. It's coming from a place the theme is sort of a Pegasus and it has this tail, but it's kind of a pleasing shape. Let's play with it. So I started kind of positioning it next to this stuff to see if it would fit. And it kind of really doesn't to be honest. So this is sort of back and forth back and forth. Let me see. Yeah, so then the idea was folks like that shape, but the idea is sort of Apple is something you add on. So they wanted it to appear like have two components at least where like one component is added to the other to sort of express the idea that Apple is a thing you add on to an existing OS. And I'll kind of skip over. Where's the full set. I started trying to make it look more like the artwork for server where it has like the little components, but I didn't think that worked too well. Oh yeah and then Kyle was kind of trying to work with that too. I think actually that was Kyle's idea so then I tried to simplify it more, adding more spacing. And this is sort of like the final set of ideas we came with and this rotate number four folks really liked. I think they actually did a vote on one of their big meetings. I don't know if it was like a council or board or whatever the governance is for Apple that they sort of took a look at these and they really liked for it's kind of neat. I kind of did these five and six to make it look like an E. And I think this almost looks like a socket wrench or something with like a bolt and things like that and they like the idea to you because it's sort of Apple is something you bolt on to the system. They liked that the bottom bit was pink using the fedora magenta color. And that sort of is what symbolizes rel or sent to us or whatnot and of course rel's colors red so you're sort of in the same family. And then there's sort of like this wrench bolting on Apple on top of it as a layered add on. So anyway, so folks like this. So, you know, it's not finished yet, but they needed a logo to use here at Nest. So that's what we went with for now. We'll probably refine it more, but I feel like that. Let's see if I can find. Oh, no. Oh yeah, I feel like that might hang better with these guys than the original horsey guy. Let's see. I mean it definitely looks you know because it has the three layers as does server has three layers. IOT has three rows. Workstation has two but this one really takes up to. So it kind of feels like it could fit in the same space as those I think. Yeah, there is an optical illusion. I don't know how you guys feel about how that comes out. I kind of it. It makes me feel like it's, it's like a socket wrench being turned. And I think that's sort of very symbolic to what what it actually is. So, yes, IOT does, does have it too. And I also there's single color and then they're sort of clipped to like a, it's like that weird fedora triangles graphic that we use with the colors. So anyway, I don't have anybody has feedback on this. I mean I know that it needs to be refined a bit more but I'm not even sure what to do with it right now. Let me pull that up so we can see it. It's really cool. It's great to see, you know, how the thought progresses through all these stages of logo making like how you get from it. Very, you know, Kleeparty horse guy to this. It's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. And talking about the horse guy like the one that you had the picture where the four of them. Really cool. I really like that one. And it's kind of sad to see him go like with the yellow. Well, you know, they, they opened up another ticket for a mascot and I wonder if we couldn't, couldn't refine that artwork to actually function as the mascot and then it would match the logo mark very well I think because they came out of the same process. Let me see if I can find him. Where did you go? Loading this at this page, maybe that he's loaded them in different jobs now it will load in here. Oh, oh, hey. Yay. Well, yeah, it looks like the ones that I did open are maybe appearing. Some of them are anyway. Oh yeah, the one bit about this where did the center come from. I think it's something to do with CentOS in the center. I don't remember. Oh, yeah, yeah as a combination of CentOS and Fedora. So if you say sent Torah, it sounds like Centaur. So that's why they wanted to go with the center I thought that was a cute reason. Okay, this one, the one on this one, this guy. Yeah, the other one on the right here. He can stand out from all the others like if you even if even if you zoom out, right. Yeah, spacing going on that just, you know, and proportion of his body to use another body. Yeah, when he looks like he's kind of running or something he's he's serious, you know, I don't know what he's doing serious about it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, so I mean maybe that would be a good candidate for the mascot. What I will do actually is go ahead and put that in the mascot ticket. And then it'll kind of be nice and matchy matchy that would be good. There's another ticket that I did at the same time as this one that I want to show too. Hold on, let me just say, we definitely should have a pig. There is the center. Oh yeah. And when you upload it, it usually loads. It's just, I don't know what's wrong with it. It's some kind of caching issue. So then the other one that I wanted to show while that goes, it's quite slow, maybe because of Nest going on and everybody using it. It was, which one was it? Was it copper? No, it wasn't copper. You know what I closed it because I think they were happy with it. So hold on. Yeah, ELN. That's it. So ELN is, I think it's a rebuild of Rawhide with enterprise build configuration. So they kind of just needed something like a logo or something to use. And I think he had, Stephen had suggested something like a jar of green pickle relish because ELN puts the rel ish on beefy miracle, kind of like you have a hot dog and then rel and it sounds like relish. So this is what I came up with. I was quite pleased with it. Oh wait, no, hold on. That was the first idea. The first idea was to use that same scheme, but like flip the desktop and make it narrower and make it a pickle jar. But like talking with Matthew, he's like, well, it's not really a sibling of these things. It's actually kind of much lower down. So you definitely don't want to like elevate it to that level. So that's fine. That's cool. So here's the thing. I think that's what we're going with. So the mustard to catch up on the pickle jar. And I think there was a, something to do with El Nino or something. So I added the, that accent mark to the pickle jar lid to kind of show that that's where the, that part of the name ELN came from. So, and again, it's sort of this whole thing where it's like single color simplistic artwork with like a lot of sort of stylistic spacing. So I feel like it's kind of still in the same family of these, it's using the same palette. But it's just sort of like this is not going to be a super prominent logo. It's not super critical. It's just where you need a logo to talk about this thing. This is what they're going to use. So it's very low key. So I was happy with that one. Yeah, it's great. It's the, it's a smile in my face. Yeah, it's very traditional for the link to be numerical I think. No, I don't know if I see anything else is like it. I think this one, this one. Oh, this is a cool one that Daria was working on. I don't know if she's here right now. This is a new sticker sheet. Check that out. Isn't that really neat? I love how it uses the colors. So I would, I would probably consider this closed unless she needs to, I guess she probably needs to put it into Scribes and get it print prepped. But other than that, I really like this and the shapes look like they would be pretty easy to die cut to they wouldn't be like complex or anything. This one, the copper branding update is kind of an interesting case study for the new logo rollout. So they have, see this is what it looks like right now. So they have this mark and I think I'm trying to remember what the mark actually is. Oh, it's a dill seed, because dill and check means maybe copper and check means still. But it has like a brown color but it definitely doesn't follow the standard of the fedora infra apps like if you popped up figure here. It's like the old like three or four fedora websites ago when we use the blue gradient so it's just a very dated theme that it's using. And it just doesn't, it's just not following the standard basically, but I think they don't like the idea of going grayscale they really like having the color. So sort of working back and forth trying to figure out what could be a good solution. And this is sort of a list of some of these websites that that use the new style, like elections does. Bodie does, and we're kind of getting we're starting to get some consistency with this look and feel so you know I really want to see fedora infrastructure apps using this this gray theme. The idea is if it's like if it's gray is part of the infrastructure is sort of internet, whereas if it has color, then that's sort of a public facing site so it's a good way to know is this a user focused site or is this a internal site. So, um, so we sort of went back and forth, and this was sort of one of the proposals I came up with to have sort of this standard logo set for copper at the top, and using that mark and grayscale, but then adding the addition of like in the footer and I don't have a footer I have no idea. It does have a little bit of a footer, but adding an area into the footer so like, you know, we could consider copper to also like be an upstream of itself and just sort of have that color logo, and then whatever logo type they want for like an upstream version of the copper logo, we could put that in the footer so it would still have exposure on the website so they wouldn't lose that color mark if it makes sense. So I mean that was one idea that I had for them. And then what, let me see what the other idea the other way they could go. I think I had posted a mock up but now oh here it is. So you guys can see like the before and after here. I don't even know like the URL off the top of my head so I'm just gonna. Yeah, so this is the sort of the mock up next to what it is right now. It's just kind of instead of this area being like a little box here it's using that full sort of hero area that some of the federal projects infrastructure does and then taking that color scheme and I mean it's not like a major change but it does make it hang with these other guys that we have here like here's Bodie sort of from the same family note that the resolution of the mock ups a little bit wonky right now. Um, I don't know. I mean we'll see where the ticket goes but I think it'll be an interesting case study to kind of figure out what the standard is. One thing that you may note that I'm trying to change the standard so that the actual name of the thing is in the darker blue so the apps that already had that theming style don't have that and like this Apple so has the old logo mark there so but the old logo type there so some stuff does need to be updated but still looking at sticking with that so I think that's kind of an interesting case study. So, I don't know I mean, unless anybody had anything else I want to talk about today, you know, I actually haven't eaten breakfast or lunch. So and it is 1230 here almost right now. So, unless anybody had anything, you know, and total open floor. Well, let me add Miro because I think it looks like he requested again. Wanted to say go ahead and eat but since you let me in just want to say that copper is not that infra and contributors only because our users actually use it as well. So it's kind of like a hybrid because you package stuff in it, but the consumers the users also go to copper to find software or they probably don't go to like copper Fedora project in cloud or but they are from Fedora magazine they might go to a specific copper repo. So it's not. Oh, that makes sense. It's like the Ubuntu has the what did they call them on repose. Yeah, is it like PPA is it kind of equivalent to that. Yes, basically the same thing. Well, let me see how they treat it. I get it. I get it now. Yeah, so maybe it doesn't make sense to have it under that I mean maybe make sense to give it something that's more user focused. Where is where even it's the PPA website. Do you know where they are. Are they just in launchpad is that how it works. I think they are just in launchpad. I'm not entirely sure I haven't used it in many, many years. Yes. Let me like if I can see it. Okay. Yes, I think this is what it is. Yeah, so you know, maybe we want to do a custom one offer for copper. I think that, you know, that's I'm so glad you pointed that out because if it's meant to be engines are facing it probably should have the color it should. Yeah, no I see it. Okay, well thank you so much for pointing that I'm actually going to update this. Okay, you're welcome and now you can have your breakfast. Cool. All right. Thanks everybody for coming. Bye.