 Hi, this is Yoho Sabnibharti on behalf of the Linux Foundation. And today we have with us Stefano Cetla, technical program manager of RISC-5 International. The Linux Foundation and the RISC-5 International, they have announced two new courses to help the community. And we are going to discuss these courses. But before we get started, can you please talk about the RISC-5 platform in this modern cloud native world where everybody is moving towards digital transformation? Sure. Yeah, first of all, thank you for having me, Swapnil. I'm happy to be here. The RISC-5 International is an organization that's set up to help further the RISC-5 ISA. And the RISC-5 ISA is really a new technology in that it's being developed collaboratively. So it's the first open source ISA where folks right from the beginning are getting together. And in following with open source best practices, helping to ratify the specifications that we think of as RISC-5. Can you talk about the need, the importance of these courses as the platform is kind of gaining adoption? So there are a lot of people who want to try it out, but they are not well versed with these technologies. Yeah, we really want to keep the barrier entry as low as possible for RISC-5. And we realize that because it's a new technology and a new way of developing that technology, the bar to entry can be a hindrance. So these two courses really act as an enabling factor for folks who are new to the idea and want to come up to speed quickly. So now let's talk about these courses. One is RISC-5, you know, LFD-110X. And the second one is RISC-5 CPU Core LFD-111. Talk about these two courses. 110, the introductory course is really intended for anyone who's interested in learning more about RISC-5. So there's RISC-5 International, the organization that helps develop the ISA. And there's the actual ISA itself in the assembly language that we use. So this course starts with a more high-level look at how do we go about doing our jobs? How do we create this ISA as an organization? So it talks about the working groups, what those working groups do in order to get their specifications ratified. And then it concludes with sort of a hello world in assembly language. So folks, even if they're not interested in getting hands-on experience, can see what the assembly language looks like and really get an idea for what the flavor of RISC-5 is. So 111 is actually getting to build a RISC-5 Core. So for folks who are new to digital logic and digital circuit design, there are hardware description languages that we use to do this design. And this really is an amazing opportunity for folks who might not have experience in digital circuit design to try it out. It uses a new transactional language and it allows folks to actually use an IDE called Maker Chip, which is online. So you don't need to really install anything and within a few hours, you'll be building digital circuits. Can you just walk me through a kind of from the perspective of, you can call it a student or a learner, what does it, first of all, what the experience looks like? And second is that, what will be the takeaway after finishing the course? Sure, great question. So from the student or learner's perspective, the 110 course is really open to anyone who is just interested in learning more about RISC-5. So you don't need any technical knowledge. You don't need to really understand how an ISA is developed or what an ISA is. It really takes you through sort of the entire spectrum of what we do. And then for 111, this is really more intended for engineers who are interested in trying out digital circuit design. So while the course itself is something that any student, even a young student would be able to do, it's really geared toward folks who are interested in bridging that gap between writing software and writing hardware code. Who is going to be the core audience for these two courses? Yeah, I think the core audience for the 110 course is going to be folks who currently are in the technology industry and are looking to take away the knowledge they need to interact with RISC-5. So anything from using the tools that we're building to learning more about how the industry trends are moving in terms of silicon development. And the 111 course is really intended more for someone who wants to grow their skill set in terms of becoming an engineer who is familiar with circuit design. How long is the course? And is it like, you know, you offer a certificate and hey, you have finished the course. Do they have to take any tests to prove to you that they have taken the course? There's a couple of different ways you can interact with the courses. So both 110 and 111 are free to take. You can audit them for seven weeks. And then when you're finished auditing the course, you can decide if you'd like to pay $149 to be certified. And that does come with a certification and essentially proof that you've taken away the knowledge that each course offers. Let's get into the vets and talk about what does the syllabus looks like if you can also mention some of the topics that are included in both or either of the courses. Yeah, so both of the courses are somewhere between 10 and 20 hours total worth of work. And the 110 course is gonna cover several different topics. It's gonna start with covering Risk Five International, the organization and sort of what the driving elements are behind that work. So you'll learn about the different work groups that participate in developing different specifications. And you'll actually get into how those specifications are written, how they're developed, and then how they're finally ratified and become part of the Risk Five ISA. It closes off with a chance for folks to actually learn what the instructions look like. So what makes Risk Five different than other ISAs like ARM and X86? You'll actually learn here some of the assembly language instructions and here's how they function. And then you'll get to tie those instructions together for an actual running program, a sort of Hello World application. In the 111 course, there's sort of several steps. So you really don't need to know anything about digital circuit design to take away a lot from the course. They'll walk you through the elements of digital circuit design, what goes into the circuits that you'll be building and then actually step by step shows you how to build a Risk Five core that's able to actually compute the instructions that you learned about in 110. I also want to understand the format of the course. Is it like all text? Is it in video? Is it interactive? Is it any assignments they have to complete? The 110 course is actually a mix. So you do get a lot of written text and some videos. And then at the end, there is a chance for you to do some hands-on learning if you're interested in setting up an environment where you can actually compile code. But the 111 course is really the much more hands-on of the two. So this is where you will have some written text, but there are videos and step-by-step guides to really show you at one step at a time how to build a digital circuit and then how to build a Risk Five core. You folks have been working together for quite some time now. Will there be an expansion of the collaboration between the foundation and international beyond these courses? And if yes, can you, whatever you can share at this point about any other courses as well? Risk Five International and the Linux Foundation really work hand in hand. These trainings are just one example of what we hope to be a continuing series of both trainings and events that will help folks out there who are interested in getting involved in Risk Five, an avenue to do that. So we already have an embedded course that offers the chance for folks to, actually with an instructor, lead through a full embedded Linux course that's now gonna be based on Risk Five. So yes, when you're done, you're gonna get to learn all the details of tool chains and compilers and how to develop a Linux distribution that's custom, but you'll also learn all that with the underpinnings of Risk Five being the actual instructions that you're working with. Stefano, thank you so much for taking time out and talk about not only these courses, but also the collaboration with the Foundation and how it goes beyond just these two courses. And I look forward to talk to you again, thank you. Yeah, it was a pleasure speaking with you.