 Yeah, the Q&A, of course, we expect most of the exchange to be face-to-face, because this is a case, but if there are hot questions that you would rather ask anonymously, there is a very, very big scan, or you can get a slide of the comment in here, one, two, nine, with the other hand sign. And in either case, you get into this anonymous chattering, where you can ask for pretty much anything, the topics called ask, or do anything. And then you can like each other's questions, so the question was the most number of likes, will flow to the top, but of course this is supplemental. So any questions from the audience, of course, gets prior, I'd say, but if there's no hunts raised, then we would just defer to the slide of questions, which tends to be more direct, because it's anonymous. Thank you. I would like to start with a question myself. So we understand that coming up, from 1st of January, there will be a new digital ministry that will be a full ministry. Yes, but we didn't say which January. Okay. Can I withdraw my question? The January after the next. So I want these 98 general. Sure. So yeah, it is true that by January, next year, 2021, there will be a draft act, the enabling act, not only for the digital ministry, but actually for independent GDPR-compatible privacy protection authority as well. And so these are, of course, I think the only puzzle he's missing from the GDPR advocacy. So we're very much looking forward to it, but it needs to be ratified by the parliament. So the parliament, we expect the parliament to maybe take at most happier to deliberate on the organizing acts. And then it will be like the second half of next year, which the budget session will begin. And then the agency as well as the content authority for privacy protection will have the budget allocated. And on the next January, it will actually function so that that's the idea. So it's a legislative process. Any question ready from the friends here? We have only... We've got 20 for a point of view. Good one. Working digital companies here in Taiwan, we see that cyber attacks, that's here for big industrial companies and industrial systems, which is kind of working with the big technologies like the companies, with these are the growing spreads. Is there a government agency like another country that can jump in to help digital companies to secure foreign spreads? Definitely. And this is a great question. Currently, we rely on the search system to connect all the rapid response systems together. And the TWNIC agency, it's not really an agency, it's a group to interact with the internet governance system, has started to deploy some cyber security and cyber defense related bridges to the business sector. The main challenge here is that if this is a very transparent, multi-stakeholder community, as of course usually you can tell me as far as are, then there's a limit of how much information each business entity is willing to share when it faces ransomware or things like that. And so a trusted and spoke configuration is probably needed to make sure that business can report, but with a additional amount that says this is not for circulation, this is only for circulation if condition X is met and things like that. And so currently, that is broadly within the Department of Cyber Security's review, but because the Department of Cyber Security is currently part of the administration property, part of the executive event, we are now looking as part of the additional ministry reform to give it more firepower resources and agency feedback. So more agency in that agency by setting up a dedicated cyber security agency, or the Zintong Anchor and Shu, within the digital ministry. So that's not only candid cyber security agency set up their own task force, but also proposes their own regulations or even their own laws, in which case it will be much more easy for the business sector to interface with a kind of zone that respects this trade secret or other disclosure conditions. So we're prototyping that over the course of next year, and soon as the cyber security agency is in full throttle once they have the budget and so on, it will become part of the kind of official definition as part of the additional ministry cyber security agency. Second question, or third question? I would like to ask a question for you for SM management. Sure. Yeah, because particularly during the COVID-19, I think because to protect you from me, you must let you put me or from home. But in Taiwan, if you get SM management industry, for example, like a farm manager or a trader, which is down, basically they allow them to go from home. Unless, you know, they must have some video and to make sure that in the trading hours, they would observe of what you've been doing. But on the other side, they will kind of like, you know, have some privacy issues. So a lot of the manager or trader, basically they still decided they would, you know, still went to all-base. Yeah, so for number one, because you can get the global ones, both from home policy, almost as both working hours is actual, I think that's so important. Definitely. That's my condition of every cabinet, is that I get to work anyway. Yeah, but they were from the liberation side, they basically had this kind of constraint. And I do understand, you know, they're worried that probably you'll have some bad behavior, you've got some inside trading, it's actually doing your trading hours. But on the global side, particularly right now, we're talking about, you know, digital ministries to be set up. And how can this department help other departments to become such like, you know, SFC, or SFI for those SFC to, you know, to really reduce the concern about the individual being having. Sure. Well, this is my office. Right. This is such an innovation. It used to be an Air Force headboard, so we tore down the wall, so it's now a park next to the Diane Forest Park. It's just across the James Blower market from the Diane Forest Park. This is literally a park, and everybody can just walk in and witness this magical, because it's created by people who's down syndrome, who's chasing the differences, so people get inspired when they see this. And this is much more preferred to the cabinet office. Much more often, because I get to tell the work. And creativity is evident, like when we have a visitor, a mayor actually, who saw this public installation art in their mind, they just get so inspired that they climbed on top of this display. And, right, so it's not designed for that, so I'm really glad that it, as resilient, didn't collapse. So that's mayor of Proxedy, right? And his small cabinet of pirates, well, not really pirates, but, well, I guess they are pirate party members. So the point here is that here we have the telecommunication equipment, so that when I tour around Taiwan, I can just go to the most rural place or remote islands and so on and facilitate the discussions that way. And because we have broadband as human rights and occupancies by real-time translation, even culture translation by indigenous experts, it connects Park to the social innovation lab in Taipei, where people from 12 ministries can just immerse themselves into the actual connected room that connects to the rural and remote places. So after they get kind of exposed to this kind of working, they are much more amenable to teleworking in their own ministries afterwards because they can see clearly that the cybersecurity and privacy parameters is carefully designed and teleworking doesn't mean working at home. It means currently working at one of the satellite offices, which may resemble this kind of co-working spaces with carefully designed cybersecurity and privacy parameters. And so I think this is a kind of intermediate point to get the public service comfortable with the idea of the essentially security enclaves that they can personally break in closer to home but not exactly home. And then later on, maybe they would accept working from home more easily. And then once they get this experience, it's much more likely, for example, for the psychological counseling over the internet, once we get the MOHW people working in this facility, they started to think in a more out-of-box way and then eventually allowed startups like Farhugs and so on to start working with psychological counselors over the internet. So it's proven to work just a little bit slowly. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, but let's say it's even now for a theater and even a farm manager, even they were in office, but they were required to hang in, you know, to lock all their, like, say, iPhones and their computers or those personal devices. I also, you know, cannot have that. So let's say, even though you have this kind of environment, but still, you know, for some hosts, regulatory may concern, like, when they get into a toilet and they may, you know, use their personal device to press all their, et cetera. I don't think that's part of our regulation. I think that's imposed by the business. That the regulation only talks about the cybersecurity parameter, essentially, making sure that the equipment that you use is the extension to the official intranet, basically. It may mandate to use VPNs. It may mandate to use, like, fixed IPs, like internet protocol addresses, which for many people, it means locking to a desktop computer, but it's not necessarily the case. Actually, I think the majority of telecoms here supports mobile SIM cards with a fixed IP address. So you can also say that this is a company-issued phone with a company-issued SIM card and it always connects through the same IP address. And so, when you connect through the VPN, it can authenticate using a wireless. And so, there's nothing preventing you from taking, like, this iPod and claiming that this is just really you and also it's company-issued and things like that. So nothing in the regulation for this stuff. Actually, we do use it ourselves, so we ought to know. But it does take one pioneer to just challenge the norm. Okay. Yeah, of course, face-to-face has priority, so... Hi, I'm Stephanie from the British Office. I'd be interested to know what you think the top priority should be for the new digital ministry and what policy interventions should be made to ensure that Taiwan can really benefit from the digitisation of the global economy that has happened so rapidly this year. Sure. There's a slide for that. Just a second. So, sorry, this is in elementary, but basically the priorities are innovation, inclusion and sustainability. So, in more expanded terms, the innovations that take the technology for it to work with the society rather than asking the society to adapt to disruptive technologies. So, disruptive technologies don't disrupt the society. That's what the first one is saying. The second one is saying that for new immigrants and also for new residents and so on, we need to move towards becoming a transcultural Republic of citizens, which is my translation for the official name of the country, by the way. And so, that is transcultural Republic of citizens. That's the second pillar. And the third one is about circular economy, zero waste and things like that. And so, like this jacket is literally made from up-cycled material, like 12 plastic bottles and five coffee bean waste and things like that. And so, this is something digital can really help because the digital technologies enable management of assets in the materials and in the carbon footprint and things like that which is actually not possible to track all the externalities that each action is having on climate change or things like that. So, here is like connected urban forest, climate action, participatory energy making and things like that. There's a lot of pretty complex blueprints. But the whole idea is that the digital environment need to empower human agency so that we can interact better with the civic assets and also for the civic assets. For example, the Internet of Forest and things like that to feedback through simulations so that we can deliver insights of all the externalities of our collective actions. And so, that is one part of the sustainability part. I can talk for hours. This is a seminar topic. But this is a simple answer. I'm being so fashioned to raise my hand and not use the same words on that. What are some of the efforts that are being made to encourage human entrepreneurs, especially women in tech? Yeah. So, that's an excellent question. So, we have a gender impact assessment and it's been going on for, I think, 14 years now. It's a really good system. So, I'm going to talk in very broad brushes but you can check it out from the Gender Equality Committee's point of view. So, of course, well, this is the tweet but also the parliamentarians over 40% of which women now. All of this is tracked, including the MISMI owner and servant by the gender dashboard or Zhongyao Symbian Zanou. So, this is a dashboard that just keeps accumulating from all the bills and all the major budget items within the government. So, anything that lasts one year or more needs to file this gender impact assessment to form a theory of change to be reviewed by the Gender Equality Committee that has one more vote from civil society organization leaders and ministers. And so, this is a quite conscious decision. So, after a project or a bill expires, still it's tracking and it's influence will continue on this gender dashboard. So, I'm going to skip the details because this is literally what all of us have to file whenever we come up with a project. We have to do statistics analysis, policy analysis and things like that. So, after many years of evaluation, we would link our main web with gender and proactively discover gender-related issues. So, in my recent conversation in APAC, with the title Open Recovery, which is also interestingly representing myself with a domain name instead of a country name. But in any case, the point is that we take a look at gender impact dashboard and then start to design our financial assistance for the open recovery phase after the COVID and make sure that the e-learning capacity building for women is prioritized based on that. And that also fits into, for example, our trip was the most large policy to encourage the revenue of retail and catering segments. And we basically mandated that everyone who would want to enjoy from the TSP need to go out and buy from Ms. Mies instead of just stay at home and order from the e-commerce platforms or the food delivery platforms and so on. And so that has really made a really good debt in the gender impact dashboard when it concerns Ms. Mies as well. So the details of which can be gleaned from the Ms. Mies agency, but the theory is that we just look at a gender-statistic impact dashboard and do our theory of change based on what we know will encourage more women entrepreneurs and also people who want more flexible working environments just to go out and hunt. Minister, you were earlier during the breakfast here sharing the copies of the new digital and the cards that are coming out. And thank you for sharing that. It's very nice to see that the great lengths have gone into protecting the personal data so it will be visible on the face of the card. My question is will the same considerations also be made for the permanent residents and the residents typically for foreign nationals when this new rollout comes in place next year? Yeah, this is a great question. It is true that our citizen digital certificate has more uptake than the alien digital certificate which many people didn't even know that exists. But it's something for electronic signatures but for non-citizens. And so there's a concerted effort and also thanks to many of you here to get the ID format of those two strands unified so that I think it's also January and by that I mean next January. So now that any of you can voluntarily switch to a new national ID looking numbering system and the first year is free actually. Afterward you have to pay for the transactional necessary costs. And so once the format of the ARC as well as the national ID is unified and all the e-commerce sites and all the businesses have adapted to this new format this will make it much more easy for the IC card to basically work for both and all sorts of discrimination online. And this ID card as I showed here there's an important part in the regulation because this IC card is actually optional the IC pod is optional. So anyone can see that this has less information on the face of the card than the current generation the sixth generation ID card. And on the back it only says whether you're single or married but it doesn't reveal your spouse's name or your parent's name or your residential address or things like that. So all in all it's more privacy-posalifying. But for people who said that they don't want it to be an IC card they can use stickers to just hide the passport like a pin code. It's not really a pin code. It's a reading code and a serial number in the IC card. And once you shield this using stickers the stickers by the way are officially from the MOI I just received it yesterday. So the MOI said publicly yesterday that if you put on all those stickers nobody can force you to remove it. And that's indeed true. According to the regulation all the service providers need to keep this purely analog service pathway and no one can force you to engage in the electronic pathway. So the front of the card is the primary one and the back of the card is essentially up in and you can up out using stickers. So we'll test that for the next six months or so in Shinto City. And if people in Shinto City like it then we'll probably also extend it to other certificates including the ARC and so on. But if the people in Shinto City requires change, for example if a claimer for the spouse's name to be displayed for some reason then the format may still change. So we'll know by maybe next July or so. Okay, for me just a quick follow up question you mentioned the new format that is coming into effect for the ARC now is something that we've been advocating for for over 10 years actually so we're very happy to see it actually happen. It won't be identical with the Taiwan system that's the first stage it will be an eight or a nine. So my question is will it actually work? Yeah, the first digit, yes that's right. So it will of course work if the people who are in charge of the e-commerce systems actually change their checksum, their code. If they do not change their code there is a point of contact in the MOEA who will strongly encourage them to change the code. I was just answering that this very question on for a MOSA yesterday during the parliamentary interpolation actually. So I was just, you know while the interpolation was going on I was just answering POSA on for a MOSA. And basically we have a consumer protection act that ensures the equity and equality of all the consumers. So I heard from the for a MOSA contributors that they are now crowdsourcing a list of e-commerce providers that currently make the mistake of not admitting ERC members and they will basically send emails I guess initially polite and increasingly angry emails to them announcing that they conform to the new format I think next January. And so I already promised on for a MOSA that I will help however I can like physically visiting those e-commerce vendors if necessary. And so I am all for making this a real change and within again I think this the first six months just like the EID test phase will let us wrinkle out all the problems in the initial implementation. So yeah, if there is anything within the next six months or so that prevents this new format from working on the technological level then I am happy to serve even as a coder to personally fix those regular expressions. Two questions. I have a follow up question to what you just said. We have, as a software developer or someone who knows about software libraries we always have the problem to find reference libraries from the government I don't even know the specification of the new EID I just see from the news that the ID number might be 8 or 9 but I don't see any government page or reference implementation like for some of which software... It's in schema.gov.tw We'll get it updated. I think it has to be shared more with software developers because most of the software developers they just search on Google or on the same exchange so they will find the information they have. We can work on our SEO that's for sure so that we show up on the first page. The government has to provide an SDK to 2,000 people. Yeah, we will of course provide a schema and a schema because we have open API standard as part of our standard procurement roles. So just as a background in Taiwan for many years go to a website you may see 3... 3 punctuation marks on the top of the page and that's the accessibility indicator meaning that this is designed for people who have seen difficulties and for all our IT contractors and system integrators if they say I have to charge you extra to make my website accessible for you then actually they get disqualified for being non-professional because a professional vendor needs to take care of people with wine and so four years ago when I first became digital master I got this amendment that says also that you have to provide an interface for robots essentially through an open API that conforms to the schema including the registration of the national ID system and so if a vendor says that this website, this service that I designed for the government can only work with humans but not robots they could also get disqualified for discriminating against robots but we don't quite say that in the regulation but it's the effect and so I think at least for the government to run services the upgrade will be smooth but we can't promise the same for the e-commerce vendors which technically isn't a licensed operation so we have very little leverage over them so it relies on the Consumer Protection Act as well as the crowdsourced campaign but I'm happy to also support that campaign Good morning, Audrey I had a question around digital skills and talent broadly which most companies across most industries and geographies are seeking what's your thoughts on building these skills versus buying them through an on-demand workforce and is there much of that that exists in terms of buying these skills in Taiwan? Okay so just to clarify a little bit making sure that I heard you correctly when we refer to digital skills what specifically have you in mind? I think broadly I think most companies are going through some form of digital transformation so I speak more for kind of multinational companies that are seeking these skills internally and then struggling with perhaps finding them in the market or building them Okay, yeah so we do have a plan for that and it's called 3T.org.tw it's a pilot it may expand more in the future and some of you may have seen that there was a short film promoting it where I played the role after I am on it anyway and so this is targeting oh yeah here's something that tells you just to sign up that says that there's no tuition needed for the talents freshly out of college to go to the digital transformation ambassador training position for the service industry for the marketing and communication for the manufacturing as well as for just developing AI and this is targeting not only college students who major in ICT but also pretty much everyone because we see that digital transformation comes first from the idea that if you get five really young people together as a team they can transform the norm the culture of an existing team so that's for example teleworking for example the idea of automating away some of the chores that was taken for granted and so on basically take food out in that particular six months it's like an internship that we call it an internship so that they can have a real case of officially transforming one is me in their nearby vicinity after which they will be more qualified to join the kind of multinationals that you mentioned because they already have some success or failure but very public failure that they learn from and under their portfolio and so we're happy that we get many leaders from the business communities to essentially coach like five young students at a time digital transformation projects six months at a time so yeah if you're interested in that please visit 3t.org gtw and broadly it's modeled after our own internship program in my office which we have I think 30 interns usually college level or the master's degree level but anyway so 30 people every year for four years that's 120 people and all they do is just to look at the digital service from the government that they don't like and make it better so they would improve for example this administrative labor this is the Taipei city hospital this is the Taipei citizen service this is the youth development agency Jilong city and Taiwan jobs and a bureau of social work in the Taichung city and many things like that and all of them have also shared how they have developed their skills for digital transformation by interning in my office and working with the actual agencies but what we have learned from this is that it takes literally four years to gain the trust for the career public service for them to do this truly transformational work the first year they were all literally just fixing the website so it works on non-internet explorer browsers which is really kind of trivial but it's also important work to get the trust built and then the second year our mobile services and only on the third and fourth year do they get to pick the kind of digital service they want to transform so it also takes time nice to meet you I'm Toshaki Kimura from Jella Jella is a Japanese power utility and now in Taiwan now we are developing offshore grid for most of us two and three now we are considering to use the AI for operation of the power plant but I want to ask your advice if we consider to use the AI what humans still can do because I think a recent AI system is very improved and in terms of operation maybe AI can do everything but I'm wondering what is still the role of the human so Toshaki it's a good question it is a great question it's a question of our time and I really think it's an awesome question so back to this so interestingly when I see the term AI I think of assistive intelligence so assistive intelligence is just the latest in development in a long line of assistive technology for example this is assistive technology the eyeglass because it helps me see better and it's aligned to my best interest that is to say to see better instead of other people's interest for example I don't see pop-up advertisement eyeglass that would be somebody else's interest and then my grandma for example has a hearing aid that helps her to hear better again it needs to be aligned to her and be accountable when it doesn't work or when it breaks instead of just randomly serving advertisements or podcasts so we already have a social norm about assistive technology in that it needs to respect the dignity of the individual interacting with the technology and augment the individual so that it works better with the society and so on so if we develop AI as assistive intelligence I don't think there will be that much worry of being replaced I wouldn't worry about me being replaced by my eyeglasses my grandma wouldn't be replaced by her hearing aid because these are assistive in nature but on the other hand there are jurisdictions that see AI more as authoritarian intelligence to say a vehicle for control but I think it's a misnomer to say AI will enslave people people enslave people through AI so AI doesn't have this motivation to enslave anyone this is just a way to say that if you over-concentrate the power to make decisions to a limited number of people then it makes it authoritarian in nature so authoritarian intelligence assistive intelligence to very different development methodologies and so the main difference is really the feedback loop if the individuals within a what we call a ACI assistive collective intelligence system all have the capability of feeding back to the AI system to demand accountability when the alignment is in a good feedback loop and so people can collectively benefit from it but if we cut the feedback loop for example if we only have the Centroepidemic Command Center daily life press conference but without the chance for journalists asking questions or for citizens calling in the hotline 1922 then it will be seen as very authoritarian but because of the feedback loop and the real rapid response then everybody who has a stake in it and who maybe gets harmed by the AI development can correct its course very quickly so the assistive pod I think is the most important guiding us Thank you Yes More questions? I would like to have a follow-up question on all of each of our candidates because we are trying to introduce each of our tours of our health and healthcare from other countries from our global practice this is not easy to convince the community with the government about the change of the regulation or the practice so as I told you you already introduced and we have some over-community try to change your mindset instead of change your mindset from bottom up try to open mind to listen in opinion from communities so Matt know your suggestion how as a global healthcare digital medical device company a master strategy to approach the government to try to change the life of the new regulatory healthcare industry or should we try to learn from the top down and also from the communities Great question The reason why I emphasize the public art installation and this very friendly atmosphere for the responsive inclusive and representative decision making is because you can't really change their mind but you can't change their feelings you can change the effect what they feel about any particular technology so if the first exposure for a for example public service administrative transportation communications to the self-driving vehicles is this huge truck that moves very fast and occasionally cause accidents they're bound to be very conservative in their response to self-driving technology but because in our social innovation lab their first exposure actually to those tricycles that are just this high end isn't faster than me running so they will see this as something that is has the potential to co-create to basically serve as like shopping carts or something for the people in jimbalsara markets and also for the nearby students the open community you mentioned to hack it to change it so it's more pro-social and it would learn to for example respect the elderly, yield to the elderly which the original designers in Boston didn't really care they only care about yielding to children the point is that different society have different social norms and so for the public service to see the first demonstration of your technology as respecting the norm massively increase the trust between them and you and then they also of course will worry about two things the first is the political risk who would this you know expose me to political risk and the second is that would this make me spend more time on my work than I'm already spending on my work or will this new technology actually manage my time better so that the regulatory technology can take away some of the burdens that the individual needs to to take on a daily basis so to increase the trust to reduce the risk to save your time you can't probably do all three in one emerging technology but at least we can demonstrate first we do no harm that is to say we don't trust you know the technology to for example make all the human decisions by the AIS that was the previous question but if it's an assistive role like a GPS navigator or something that provides the contextual information for the human being then that's more trustworthy so it gains a little bit on the trust part while not sacrificing anything on the risk part or on the part that the time consuming part and so this is what we call a Pareto improvement an improvement of one axis without sacrificing the other axis and so if you keep doing Pareto improvements then eventually the public service will come around and say oh yeah this looks like very much privacy preserving for things like the latest developments in medical use of computation there's things like what we call the fully homomorphic encryption which will make the public cloud providers capable of calculating running computations very sensitive and private data but running it on encrypted form and then it can compute any encrypted input into encrypted output without looking into any of the data there and so when it deliver the results then we can just decrypt and receive the promise but this is a literally a like as of this year new mathematical breakthrough and so the existing regulations of course did not anticipate it so what's important here is that we demonstrate for just one very simple formula maybe calculating the average that this works as intended without exposing people to risk without consuming their time and the trust will increase a little bit so this is the kind of theory of change that I'm operating with yeah Hi would you, my name is Peter Sutton I work with Woodpecker where a language version of software company and we do our development here at I want to ask you about the bilingual nation project so I think initially it was mainly about the language but I saw recently the examination you had just come out with the course of support for the service what's remote learning or language learning software opportunities that you're seeing in your world and companies like ours would understand there's a lot of people using dual lingo as part of the even on the kindergarten level actually and the regulatory reform that basically takes the existing kindergarten regulations and relax them so the kindergartens are now well very soon will be allowed to basically teach bilingualy so not as a foreign language but as a second language or even as one of the primary languages those will be legal and there's a lot of the demands of the new teaching methodologies to work with the kindergarten level so I would suggest start there because if you start there then it's more natural and for many parents the kindergarten is there for playing anyway there's less pressure for for example individual to individual competition or things like that and so like gaming software is always a much more experimental field than education or software which we need to conform to these ideas about education and so just make it more about play than learning that would be my suggestion there is time for one last question and I want to not completely ignore Slido so after this I'll take some Slido but I think it's a very important question because I want to go back to data privacy in AI so I'm not talking about self-driving cars I'm not talking about industrial machine learning and so on but I'm very concerned about private data being used and mass a lot of data in big data being used by companies in Taiwan like AI labs we say okay I will care a bit about privacy but give us all the data for the citizen all the x-ray data which is available for myself when I was getting the mask the first time in Taiwan was the mask distribution system which is quite secure because you have to do a device binding right and you have to but then it's just a password to see the NHI app and I was very shocked when I went to the NHI app I went to my own data and I could see that I can see how much contributions I gave to the NHI every month since 13 years so I could see how much money I was paying the NHI since 13 years so my question to that is because it will not be possible in Europe because any privacy impact assessment that the government know we don't need to keep the data for 13 years my question is what is your roadmap in terms to reach adequacy with the GDPR what is your use here can be done in 2 years 3 years or because there's a lot of things to cover right but the GDPR doesn't actually this allow you know keeping a record for 13 years or 14 years if there is legitimate historical interest or scientific interest in that it means it's up for each member countries to determine the norm but I'm not defending this data retention but I'm just pointing out that without my data portal at MIT high and ATG or VTW people doesn't even know how much data that the government has on them and so having a single download like a blue button here is really the first step because without which we don't form a reasonable expectation of new norms around data retention and privacy and things like that so there's a lot of things like such as data access requests exactly yes and that's my data so you have to implement all these things yes we have implemented this on the regulatory level and on the algorithmic level the main thing that we do not currently conform to the GDPR currently the regulatory interpretation agency is part of the NDC so the appointment and the budget is part of the NDC budget and even the GDPR negotiation office within the NDC isn't really an enforcement agency for all the different competent authorities because the competent authorities by law, our data privacy law is actually their own their own DPA but we don't get 12 more seats by the virtue of having 12 DPAs so as for roadmap that's the first thing that needs to change and that's what I refer to in next January we'll send this independent DPA that has enforcement capabilities to the legislature and once they legislate it and give it the budget later half of the next year then we can fully conform to the GDPR because then the out of norm behaviors could be enforced by the independent DPA who do not need to worry that the head of the association or the council will be replaced by higher ups because in a sense there's no higher ups the higher up is a premier I hope it can be your ministry that does that job, thank you there's many soft things designed that time is up exactly, it has a timer, yes so maybe I'll just take two minutes to quickly answer the slide of questions so the first one talks about the DCA draft and then the DCA draft is currently under another round of review the main contention of the DCA draft was that there was no competent authority of the DCA there was no digital competent authority the NCC says we help drafting the law but we are not the competent authority which is kind of an anomaly and so I think with the digital ministry it's far more likely that the DCA will get approval from the legislative floor because finally we'll have a competent authority that is in charge of not only interpreting but also enforcing the DCA clauses so the protection of internet infrastructure the core of internet infrastructure for the past six years now we basically have a procurement rule that says anything related to security not just cyber security it's a loud PRC that's people's Republic of China region components and so we already have this clean path thing before it was called clean path and so we're happy to help on that particular regard would you like to buy an autonomous car? I'll probably rent one but that's the whole point right because it will come to you and that's actually my answer it's much more designed with the urban infrastructure than the traditional ownership model the impact on privacy and disclose to the public definitely we did actually do privacy impact assessment at the request of the parliament from the hearing earlier a few months ago the department of security the ministry of justice all gave their reports and assessments particularly to the digital fans program but of course after COVID just like after SARS 1.0 we'll probably do a much more comprehensive review and see how we can improve for the better for the next SARS hopefully not any time soon and finally the regular fistfights in the Taiwanese parliament is there just to create a buzz in foreign social media no it's meant for domestic social media as well thank you