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Hey, Jay Jazzy Schaefer Can I can I like did we talk about this on the podcast my my little situation? I had what the on it girls when I was at on it yeah, we did what so I mentioned it tonight today on 94 9 this morning they're talking about this and it's like a it's a big fucking deal and Now it makes sense why that girl said that to me here. I keep referring to what's a what's a big deal I'm not I'm not to refer to a woman as a girl. Oh Huge uproar about it that it's just so offensive and I you know what really I haven't really heard much I'm sorry, but I think yeah, there's some famous people tweeting about it and all the way they saying oh god It's disrespectful. Oh, please and I think it's such bullshit dude I think it's one of those things that like call it depends on how you do it like if you do it in a manner That is like disrespectful then of course But you could say anything disrespectful disrespectful if you change your tone or at what context it's in right? So right like I was telling the thanks I said thanks girls and that's what she said that to me and she got all and I was just right over my head while Why that girl was offended you would say that if they were 70 years old Yeah, it doesn't matter if they're 12 or they're 30 50 that doesn't oh my god I just pulled up and I just literally googled what you said cuz I thought I'm literally thinking to myself this can't There's no yeah, there's no way no It's like this is stupid right and there's articles like the Guardian wrote one stop calling women girls It's either patronizing or sexually suggestive. Oh my god, you know what you know what so here's a sense No, it's you know what it is. Okay, the person who wrote this is Is the one that has the problem the person who's saying it's sexually suggestive They're the ones with the sick mind because I can say guy girl man woman Boy, yeah, it doesn't mean anything. Why is why is that what he's supposed to say woman? Yeah, that's what the I feel like that'd be more people in women's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this woman over here That sounds almost more dickish and my women. Thank you women. That's so weird. Yeah, no, it's it's stupid Here's a ladies girl. I don't get it. Yeah, that's we'll remember that girl said ladies goddess is yeah princess Like she says like I'm like to me. That's more condescending than just saying. Yeah. Thanks girls. Oh my god The this article is I just want to punch it girls the word girls screams gender segregated toys and the color pink, you know, it's funny about So you know, it's funny about this this whole thing Becoming any more fucking over sensitive. What's happening? It's not over sensitive. It's not it's not that it's over sensitive What it is is it gives the person who says this it gives them power So if I say to you, hey, hey, you can't say that because that's offensive or that's Sexist or in if it's not you're clearly not being sex, but it gives me power now, right? Because that's a very powerful thing to shut you down and what's here and what these fucking idiots don't realize is that what they're Doing is they're trivializing a real thing like Sexism is a real thing being patronizing is a real thing, you know being slightly sexually suggestive or You know actually being a pervert those are real things But when you call everything that you make the real act of those things. Yeah trivial That's what you trivialize. That's the part that pisses me off because and that was what made me so upset when we Were in on it when that when that I keep wanting to say when that girl when that woman Said that human being yeah, like that when that woman said that to me It just went right over my head because I was I actually was complimenting and thanking the girls that were actually making my She wasn't even part of the conversation. She just came out of left field. Yeah, excuse me, sir Yeah, like whoa like To the point remember where I said I had to go back and I had to go ask to ask the girls if that was offensive to them And it was like no not at all and I'm like, okay I just want to make sure because that wasn't meant to be condescending I didn't think I came off that way. In fact, I was complimenting, you know, and so right that's such bullshit for people This is it's it's so what's happening insecurities are fucking glow. I'll tell you I'll tell you 100% what's happened with this whole thing so what people need to realize with Politics because this is this route. This goes back to politics is that politician politics in particular has a lot a lot of money invested in the science of politics and how to Divide people and get people to hate the other side and so that they vote for their side and what people don't realize is that they're They're being manipulated like we talk a lot about on this show in particular About the the supplement industry the fitness industry and how manipulative they are with their marketing Well, you can multiply that times a trillion and that's politics Right politics is way more powerful has way more money and way more more science invested because Politicians are the ones that run shit big business wants particular politicians in there because they get favors They get taken care of like there's a lot of fucking money and power in politics and they invest a lot of money in Figuring out how to get people To think and feel a certain way and one of the most powerful things you can do in politics is to make someone hate The other side or hate other people. It's far easier to do that than it is to make them really like Your side this so and this is a fact like if you look at when there's presidential election For example, most the money invested in it is not in making you like the side you want to vote for it's in making you hate The other side and in fact when you ask people, you know, if you tell people God both candidates suck most people will be like Yeah, they do but You know, I'm voting for this person because they're not as bad as the other person like they don't even realize They're being manipulated and what's happened with politics rather recently is they've created these They've or they really really invest a lot of money in what's called identity politics and identity politics are Let's let's segregate people into smaller and smaller and smaller groups and make them feel More and more and more like victims and it's hard to talk about this because there are real issues here that That they are that they're pulling upon like racism sexism, you know issues with, you know, homophobia or religious You know phobias those are real issues that exist But but it doesn't mean that these people won't take that and manipulate it and push it and then when you try to argue it Now you're being labeled sexist racist or you know, whatever a phobic or whatever So it's very hard to to debate, but the reality is These identity politics have have or seeped into culture to the point now where it becomes a contest to Bypasses intent, you know, like for some reason we can't accept somebody when they say something to us and Understand what their intent is when they're describing that to us Dude, it becomes it becomes offensive for you to tell someone I don't really care What word you say as long as the intent is pure, but it just it becomes offensive to say Merry Christmas for example Like I'm not fuck off. People know I'm not people know. I'm not religious. I don't have a horse in this in this race at all But if someone says to me, you know, Merry Merry Christmas Or Happy Kwanzaa or whatever pick your thing and they're happy and I have to say like five million things to accept You know, I just I cover the basis. Why am I gonna get offended? You know by yeah, if you know now the term boy girl We've been using that forever. Can it be used in a condescending way? Well, yeah, I can go to you and I can come up to you be like you're just a boy It's all how you deliver it. You could use a term like sir and make it fucking inappropriate, right? It's not a condescending. It's it can be just as bad if it could be worse No, people do not they don't realize they're being manipulated and what's happening is we are all Fighting each other for all lemmings. We're all trying to figure out who's a fending who you've got these like what I call these like What do they call these like oppression Olympics where yeah, you know, who's the most oppressed, you know individual You know if you're you know, this is why I like did you see the Dave Chappelle like stand up? Yeah, that's why I appreciated it so much is because you know, he he just kind of went back as like You know, we're being crazy with all this kind of stuff like let's let's get back to like let's not like You know get get so far out that we stray away from the real problems and these things that like, you know We've been like people have been oppressed with a lot of these things But let's not devalue it by just throwing it out there and let's be let's let's be careful with the pendulum This is what happens with culture in modern culture is that there'll be a problem a real problem And then they'll swing the pendulum so fucking hard to the opposite side that they've passed now Yeah, where they should be and then they cause another rebound and it's this pendulum swinging at effect that is damaging to Everything from relationships to the people the wrong people get elected given power We end up making decisions that are that just don't do you think it's possible to not do that I do you do I'll give you an example Because we talk about this like that they're saying it's bad to say girls. So this is on the topic of sexism Let's talk about that for a second like Do we do people realize that the majority of suicides are done by men Do people a lot of people don't realize that a lot of people don't realize that The majority the majority of people killed in war as men the majority of believe it or not a massive amount of rape Actually happens to men in prison is one of them. There's lots of issues that men Go through injuries or fatal injuries on the job very high for me Now I'm not trying to create this this picture of like please, you know poor men, you know, whatever But when a case there, but what happens is the pendulum swing so hard And then we we end up saying well fuck this these issues like fuck these people No, that's a great example because I've heard more people bring up the topic of the word girl being used And I have anyone even bring it up that how many men are actually getting raped in jail That's that I mean or committing suicide. I haven't seen any bloggers writing about that I haven't seen anybody bring that up as a topic. There is a suicide epidemic and in particular among Men men are the ones that commit suicide at a far higher rate And people don't you know, they don't want to talk about the dangerous jobs Like most of the most of the jobs that people do where they get hurt injured or killed are done by men now again I'm not doing a competition here But when you when you take something that's real like sexism and you trivialize it by saying don't use the word girl Right, and they're not even using context. They're saying the word girl. Yeah, like don't use girl in a condescending way That's different But don't just say the word girl like let's let's eliminate that from the lexicon of American society Because it's sexist. Well, you know what that does to real sexism and trivializes it now everybody's like well fuck you I'm not listening to anything you're gonna say. Yeah becomes totally ineffective. So yeah If you're if you I mean just be careful man Who's manipulating you with your with real things because if you're if you're in a category of people Where you they can make you feel like you're being Taking advantage of or victimized more than you may be actually Experiencing that is a powerful powerful tool that they will use to manipulate you and remember this don't forget this those people at the top and by the way the media is very much Part of that whole process and system a hundred percent you could go through and connect the dots It's not hard to do and see that there's very few powerful people that connect control most of this media Which is why they're scared of the internet by the way If you look at this and you really pay attention It's obvious they don't really give a shit about you all they want to do is manipulate you Yeah, and one of the easiest ways to manipulate you is to make you feel like everybody hates you and I'm just so over the victim role Do you know so fucking tired of hearing the victim role it drives me crazy What happened to anybody like what happened to you actually maybe looking inside and reflecting like why does that offend me? Yeah, why does that bother me so much? Like someone's referring to your small thing What does that say and if that actually does bother me because I'm sure there's somebody listening right now Who's like oh my god? I can't believe they're saying that. Oh, I I think that's so disrespectful when someone does that okay How about this? Why does that make you feel that way? Why does a term like boy or girl? Regardless, let's say it even it is condescending like how about looking at why that would make you feel that way and Diving into that a little bit and looking at yourself work on that. Yeah, right instead of like Blaming others Just get knee-jerk reactions about everything. Yeah, it's just it's not a word down. It's not a word that has roots and Like like for example, there's racial slurs that have bad roots and I can understand those things There's words that have roots that are very Condescending sexist racist whatever but the word girl is not one of them or boy Neither one of them say no put them together no boy or girl No, they're not I mean when you have a baby people ask you is it a boy or girl? I mean, you know, it's just not it's just not one of those words. So stop trying to try to make it one I feel like you'd be a compliment. So I'm calling a boy. I still look like a boy. I feel fucking great It's awesome. I'm like Peter Pan. I'm fucking 35 years old and you just offended someone right because they're like Oh boy being a boy is fucking good thing. What if somebody said, you know, yeah, that's a good liberal voice Trust me they're on both sides, but yeah, yeah, no, I know anyway, I just it's it's it's funny because I think if people just realized how How much more we had in common than we didn't and how much power we had if we just Realized that it's more effective for us to not try to separate ourselves so harshly and Collectivize people and just kind of be like, okay, we're cool. Whatever. Yeah, man. Yeah, like if I'm talking to you I just want to talk to you. I don't want to worry about all these fucking words and shit Like you know my intent and where I'm coming from. I'm not here to you know to throw stink in your day You know, I'm just trying to talk to you, you know, stop being so fended exactly Doug bring on the woman bird Today's quads being brought to you by Chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the Chimera link at mine pump media comm and input the discount code mine pump a check out for 10% off All right boys first question oh that was so offensive Oh First up is from Casey Joe eats well you guys are always preaching we shouldn't run ourselves into the ground So why the insanity in maps aesthetic phase three? So this is a good. It's a little intense. It's an Easter egg. We put it in there to see if you guys would know Yeah, this is a good question and this is also This is why we we do recommend the order of the programs Mm-hmm. So this is now somebody who possibly just dove into maps black They've never done any of the previous programs. They've listened to show and they're not really worked out that much Yeah, and they don't work that much and then they get into phase three of black They're like holy shit like but if you've actually gone through red green than black It's actually there's a from red to green. There's already some serious aggressive overall try phase four. Yeah, right? Yeah So yikes each each program We intensify as we go through it and we increase the volume So there's actually a but it's slow and gradual. That's over a course of nine months And then if you notice that the a phase like that is only three weeks long So we would never recommend somebody stay in that high of intensity for a long duration and so Yes, absolutely. It's in there. Absolutely. It was intended to be intense But it's also only intended it for you to do that for three weeks. Yeah, you're peeking I think it's important. We got to be clear intensity too much intensity is very individual Okay, so when we preach about not running yourself in the ground That can look really different from one person to the next like if I take a high level You know physique competitor and they've been training for a long time What's gonna be too much for them is gonna look very different than if I take somebody who's You know hasn't worked out for a while or if I take an athlete versus a couch potato Or if I take somebody who's been working out super intense for a long period of time and their body now is starting to hit the red line Too much intensity might be not that much for someone else. So it's very very individual Maps aesthetic is like all of our programs was created with a specific intent of adaptation Aesthetic was created for when okay, here's what we do when we create our programs We try to create before we create the program we create this What is it called when you when you're playing a video game and then that's your care avatar We create an avatar in our mind of what who's the person we're designing this program for The avatar for maps aesthetic is somebody number one who's considering motivating number one motivating factor is balance Symmetry and aesthetics and to be more specific It would be like what would be the embodiment of that and would be a stage presentation type competitor a bikini competitor a bodybuilder a physique competitor those types of people or people who train with those types of intentions So that's number one. That's what maps aesthetic was created for number two It was also created to be a little bit more advanced and I don't mean advanced in the sense that it's a it's better Advanced in the sense that people who are going to do or the people were creating maps aesthetic for Probably will have or they should use to higher volume. Yeah, they have a they have a background I have a longer background in working out Consistently with more intensity and more volume. So those being said Maps aesthetic works perfectly for those types of people not not all of them I mean again if you're going into this and you're fucking not sleeping Well, you've been working out red lining for a long time You've been at this calorie deficit for a long time like you're probably better off backing the fuck off going to maps Anabolic and starting with a program like that and going into pre-phase which in fact when people Asks his questions what what they should do those types of people. That's what we say Yeah, we'll start with maps anabolic. So each one of the programs has their own you know specific types of adaptations that we're aiming for and that means that they're gonna be ideal for a lot of people and not ideal for other people and With for those other people then they go do the other maps program That's why our maps super bundles the RGB bundles super bundle are created because we know That now you've got like all these tools like what you really want is really if you want to maximize your body's progress and progression and you want to make Fitness a lifelong pursuit you want to build muscle Get stronger burn body fat move better just feel better and Consistently feel yourself progressing on many many metrics over years and years and years You want to have a tool belt that you can open and say, okay? What does my lifestyle look like now? What are my goals? How is my body moving right right now? What are the things that I need right now? Okay, you wrote you now that you've identified I've been avoiding what have I been avoiding right? You've got all these things now you can go and open your tool belt and say you know what I'm gonna do A cycle of maps performance. That's what I need to go through right now Or I'm I need to go through maps aesthetic or maps anabolic is the one I need to go through or maps anywhere I haven't done any you know of these, you know clothes chain body weight type movements I'm gonna do maps anywhere and if you approach your fitness Intelligently like that you are gonna run into very few problems and you're gonna maximize the positives and that's all working out And it really is is minimize the negatives Maximize the positives mitigate the potential problems and think about the potential problems that can come from exercise joint pain dysfunction recruitment pattern issues Overtraining under training not getting was like these are all the negatives Well, you can really minimize those to a small degree and maximize all the positives by looking at your tool belt Assessing yourself and picking the right run. So if you're doing maps aesthetic Yeah, just look at like your avatar example if you were to look at like these Almost like a video game if you're looking at powers and you're looking at adaptations Like you're trying to fill each one of those bubbles and you look and you see where you're deficient, right? So I look I'm not very powerful. I'm not very Strong, you know in this direction and so you look at each one of these different adaptations How can I fill those bubbles up and? That's what our programs that that's what we focused on We tried to make sure that we present each one of these characteristics each one of these adaptations that will benefit the body And you will know inherently what you haven't been focused on whether it's mobility or whether it's even Aesthetics for somebody like me like that's something I would you know, I have to constantly check myself I need to get back into you know more of that style training because it definitely Benefits me and muscle endurance wise and and all that kind of stuff Actually, if you're in if the to the person who's asking the question if you're doing maps aesthetic You're in phase three and you feel run down That is a very strong sign that it's too much. It's too much for you now Now there's a couple things you could do with this you could either eliminate the the the supersets that are in maps Aesthetic phase three and by the way we put supersets in there because phase three of maps aesthetic is focused on maximizing the pump in your workout and working on a lot of strength endurance both of which Contribute quite a bit to an aesthetic physique when you combine it with the other phases But if you feel run down, there's a few things you could do in phase three a Eliminate the supersets so now treat them as straight sets but keep the reps high So you're still gonna get the pump some of the pump benefit be Reduce the volume so you're doing less sets or combine a and b eliminate the supersets and eliminate and cut some of the sets down or See if you're still if you're feeling really fucking run down Get out of maps aesthetic and go to maps anabolic Start in pre-phase do about two weeks of pre-phase and then go into either phase one or phase two and then cycle back Important though to note this because I know who this is and I know that she's not like a brand new lifter So being able to tell the difference between run down and challenging is important because I'll tell you right now If you don't train with supersets ever and then you introduce those it's gonna be fucking hard It's supposed to be just like when I go into maps performance because I don't do a lot of multi-planier movements so when I do like the Yeah, the lunge matrix I got to reduce the weight to like hardly anything because it just destroys me now That's not because I'm like overtraining and that's a signal to my body saying I don't need to be doing this much No, that means my body is not used to this adaptation at all and don't worry if I continue to progress through it It will get used to that so There's a difference to between, you know, oh my god This is way over training and like so you're looking for like this crazy fatigue Really sore like if you're overly sore The days afterwards those type of those are signs that you should try and reduce like sowsing But if it's just fucking hard to get through it Well, that's because maybe you've been training a lot more like maps anabolic phase one If you've done a lot of maps anabolic phase one So this would be like my power lifters, you know that are doing a lot of singles triples Maybe never ever going over five reps. Yeah, well, I throw them in a maps aesthetic and I'm asking them to do eight Eight to talking it. Yeah eight to twelve reps and then I'm asking them to superset it and they're fucking just getting They're tired. Yeah, they're good. That doesn't mean that it's bad for you That means that you you're just not conditioned for that your body is and your body is trying to adapt There's actually probably a lot of good things that's happening your body But learning to listen to those signals of what Sal was talking about is and let's let's real quick Let's define rundown Or at least, you know try to explain what we mean by rundown. Okay in the workout itself If it's hard and you're getting challenged. That's nothing wrong with that Of course, we don't want people to push themselves to failure and beyond Frequently that's usually not a good idea for most people But the workout being challenging is fine rundown means you're done with your workout. Okay It's the day after or it's a little later in the day or it's before that and you're just fucking dead You're tired your dragon ass your super sore. You need more coffee than normal You're having issues sleeping like that's rundown. That's what we mean by like, okay Take a big step back because your body's just not able to keep up with or recover from the intensity of workout You should feel energized throughout the day Regardless of what your workouts look like so even like Justin for example came in the other day and did a just an intense ass You know hit type workout where in between sets. He was literally on the floor Gasping for air but after he caught his breath and the workout was over 30 minutes later. Like he's fine bouncing around Yeah, he's not like, oh my god, you know, what's wrong Justin? Why you on the couch laying down? Like oh, I had a crazy hard workout three hours ago like that's run down. I'm not puking You don't want to be like that. No Next up is UDS cam What's your take on fat grips for strengthening grip? Is that a real thing or a gimmick? Once you understand how muscles get stronger Then you can see here's a cool thing once you get it I'm gonna break it down for you. Hopefully this will help but once you get it when you look at all these different techniques The next technique is the next, you know, new things in it come out The next new thing is gonna come out and you're gonna be able to see it exactly For what it is and what it will work for and what it won't work for So it doesn't matter if it's fat grips or someone comes out with this new band technique or chains or use this You know grip here or you know, do this lift this way? It'll all it doesn't matter It's all gonna make sense to you because you'll understand how muscles get stronger. So just remember this fact right here the strength that you gain in your muscles is Relatively Specific to how you train them. So let me explain what that means If I take my hand and I grip it to the point where let's say I'm grabbing something That's very very wide and fat. So my hand is not making a full fist, right? It's a it's like a partial fist like I'm grabbing a really wide thick Coffee can or a coffee can and I'm gripping that and now I'm using You know isometric strength to hold on to that with heavy heavy weight the strength in my grip Most the strength I'm gonna gain from that is in that position is gonna be in that position number one and number two It's gonna be mostly isometric Meaning I'm gonna have some carry over to closing and opening my hand strength But most of it's gonna be in that particular Thickness of grip and for static hold Bottom line. So do fat grips strengthen your grip? Yes, they strengthen your grip in a new static hold Position then with a with a smaller grip like your normal bar. That's what they do Or is there gonna be some carry over to grabbing a regular bar? Yes, because you're getting stronger Overall, is it gonna be tons of carry over? No Most of it's gonna be in that new fat grip type of thing. So if you're trying to get stronger grips the thing I like about fat grips is You don't have to you don't have to like focus on training your grip You just throw them on the bars and challenge your grip and do your normal workout and now you're getting more There's a lot of similarity Between ranges of motion as well like, you know, like I just achieved a new range of motion And it's in this specific spot like that. I'm targeting when I'm doing these isometric specific exercise and poses and so You know and that that carries over because now If I'm really isolating this one part of the movement and I'm getting stronger and stronger in this that it wasn't strong before Now when I'm going through that range of motion where I already had strength, but was weak there Now that becomes a complete movement. So As far as, you know, the fat grip is concerned, you know, it brings more strength in that wide part of the hand grip So now I'm closing. I still had that strength. It's just it's like it's expanding upon, you know What you already had so yeah, I think it's it's a fun thing you can throw in there especially if you're somebody that wants to You know, especially if you're an arm wrestler or a strongman competitor or you just have a thing for strong grips I do I love training my grip throw on the bar take yourself through a variation is good too Yeah, it's gonna give you some variation But you know, I'll give you an example of what I mean by specific how how Specific your strength adaptations will be for years. I did pull-ups with an overhand grip So my my hands were pronated. That's just the way I preferred to do it And I also did lots of reverse curls and stuff like that and I just for whatever reason I just I just enjoyed that position and I got much stronger with pull-ups Any a pronated position to the point where if you threw weight around my waist I would be able to lift more pulling myself up with a pronated grip than I can with a supinated grip now Every sports physiologist and you know scientists out there will tell you that it's mechanically more advantageous To have a supinated grip and that may be the case all things being equal But they weren't all equal because I trained pronated so however you train is how most that's going to get strong is gonna be applied So it always just comes down to that It just comes down see and volume and now now knowing that now knowing that take that knowledge and look at all the Exercises that you can do and all the different techniques and variations you can do on all those exercises Now you can see how you can change you could do the same exercise Change the tension on it a little bit looks the same difference different stimulus different adaptation Yeah, grab the bar wider That's a whole nother recruitment process and it can even be even let it can even be less obvious than that It can literally be like I'm doing a bench press and I'm going to Squeeze the bar with my hands harder or I'm going to pull my hands in together on the bar or push them apart on the Bar like small thing like that will give you different, you know stimulation I like them overall the reason why I like them is because they're a cheap easy tool You know it's something you could throw in your bag. It's small, you know I think adding it to your arsenal is awesome But I don't think I think it's silly when I see guys that are attaching it to all their exercises Yeah, you wouldn't want to do it for too long anyway Yeah, yeah, it's even because to you're not going to be using them on everything that you you do You're rarely ever in that grip position, but I mean I think I typically do like the axle bar Like I rotated into my lifts all the time like so which is the fat bar Yeah, the fat bar a lot of like your golds American barbell your gyms like that tend to have you know, those those series or a set of Different bars that are just a thicker grip and just doing all my regular movements my deadlifts my overhead pressing my bench press Doing those with those bars every now and then Kind of give that to me that or just I feel like when you are dead lifting heavy weight And you're just it just kind of naturally progresses with it You know, I think a lot of guys that have a hard time with grip strength They're normally the guys that were using a lot of straps Most of time and then now they're trying to go strap-free and it's like well You just haven't given your your grip some time to catch up You were deadlifting progressing your weight using straps for so long that now when you're trying to go back and do that Well, you should just know that you're not going to go from if you were a deadlifter for 400 pounds with straps And you've never been strapless before and now all of a sudden you get in there and you're at 200 pounds And you can't even hold the bar well That's because you hadn't trained that adaptation like to stick with the deadlift bare-handed for long enough and you know This watch what will happen this reminds me when I was younger, you know I would go to work with my dad a lot my dad worked in like construction type jobs is it tile setter you know did stone stonework and I Would go as a kid and then when I got a little older I didn't go for a while and then I got into working out so I started lifting weights and One summer. I was probably 16 years old. So I had been lifting weights for a little while at this point I considered myself. I was pretty strong strong 16 year old, especially in my ability to do You know like a like a deadlift and stuff like that But back then I used straps I use straps quite a bit back then and I'll never forget don't go into work for my dad and Working with my dad and then he would have his helpers who were these like Kind of skinny older guys who I was like I'm definitely I mean if I arm wrestled them and worked out with them I was much stronger and by the middle of the day my hands were fucking fried and these guys were carrying buckets of cement and sand and they were mixing cement and handling hammers and Handling tools with their hand and you know throwing mud up on the wall with these like, you know These these little trowels or whatever and my hands were fucking Fried and I remember thinking to myself like I work out all the time. I'm so strong I've got more muscle than these guys. I can't believe how weak My hands are and it didn't hit me back then hit me much later as it became an adult But thinking back to that like I don't think people realize just how strong Your grip can get like how much potential is in your hands? I mean we did after all, you know evolve from, you know monkeys basically so our hands are designed or evolved to be pretty Fucking strong, especially isometrically So, you know using things like straps and like stuff like that You're really hindering this incredible ability that you have with your hands and let me tell you having a really strong grip Comes in handy a lot. In fact for everyday life. It's probably one of the more important things to have aside from having like a strong core and you know, you know good tension throughout your body having a strong grip Makes a tremendous difference in your ability to do everyday tasks moving couches and shit like that Yeah, definitely You know, I'm not one first contacts, you know to anything. So yeah, why wouldn't you and that's so interesting I remember thinking back to when we would train as a group for football or basketball or whatever if we do group training We were always taught to use these wrist straps. And so I didn't really develop in and Grow that that the grip strength like I could have while I was getting all these gains From moving a lot of weight, you know as I was as I was growing up So that's something I had to catch up on here, which was a misstep. You ever throw a hammer around for a whole day Throw a hand like I go work on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How fucking destroyed your hands killed me, dude Yeah, I actually do a lot of lumberjack shit where all I was doing with chopping wood for like the whole neighborhood for like the entire summer and Do you have my hands would get so fried explains all the flannels. Hey, you know what I'm excited about What end of the month, bro We've got Wim Hof coming coming into town Wim Hof certification. Yes coming here ready to get cold as fuck or what? And superhuman if you don't know what Wim Hof is First of all, it's named. It's the it's the last name of a guy who or it's the name of a guy who has Developed this breathing technique that has gotten him to be able to control the automatic Parts of his body like slowing it like, you know controlling his body temperature the immune system effected the immune system like it's pretty fucking amazing lots of science Supporting it. We have a certification coming here at mind pump media this one. I'm most excited about because We we've got it. We had a chance to talk to some top athletes and you know Biohackers and whatever every single one of them says Wim Hof like they bring up all these different things that they do Like Wim Hof is the shit like yeah, so I'm excited for this one to sign up You go to mind pump media calm and go under the events calendar and then you can enroll yourself It's April 29th in the 30th. So it's a Saturday and Sunday end of the month It definitely will probably fill up pretty fast So if you guys haven't got on there and signed up get to the website mind pump media calm and then check it out Next up is Callum Pankhurst. Have you ever trained someone that suddenly loses motivation for training? How do you counter this and get them back into fitness all the time? It's probably more common that then you probably have somebody who just like executes like in is motivated, right? I mean wouldn't you say so? Yeah, this is a tough one. I did have this happen less and less as I got better as a trainer so Back in the day. I remember thinking You know, oh, it's just I would put it on the person like oh, they're losing motivation. It's a character flaw. They're lazy You know, this is just what happens. I'm just gonna get another client to fill in that spot and then as I became a little bit more I least gained the ability to kind of say, okay, what am I doing to this? Maybe I'm contributing to some of this I realized that there was a couple things I was doing that would contribute to people losing motivation One of them was the over application of intensity in my workouts Like, you know, people come in say I want to lose, you know, 30 pounds I want to get in shape So I'd train them really fucking hard and they throw everything but the kitchen seek at them in terms of exercise and nutrition And they would be super motivated They would come into every workout and they would tell me how much they loved it But the inevitable fizzle out the inevitably would fizzle out either because they're fatigued tired or that's a level of intensity that Just requires sheer will and unless you absolutely love exercise You probably can lose that battle and they would end up stopping at some point So that was one mistake that I had the second mistake was that I would Kind of make people feel bad For stopping their workout. So I would I would I would allow them to judge themselves. Do you feed into the guilt of it? Yeah, and that that's a losing, you know, that's that's not really a winning battle because Eventually, I remember thinking to myself a while ago. Like I had I had this one client who would train on me Uh, three days a week consistently three days a week and after about six months Then she kind of lost motivation She went down to two days a week and then she wanted to go down to one day a week And my response was early in my career my response to her was well, it's not worth it If you're not if you're only gonna come once a week Don't come to the gym anymore. Like just that's that's ridiculous You can't get motivated to come to that would tell how many cheaters Yeah, I tell her all these things like like look you have time after work or before work and my schedule's open for you And you know, but if you don't want to make the time then just wait till you're ready You know, and I was just kind of putting it on them thinking that would motivate him and of course it didn't and then uh, one of my one of my friends, uh, who's You know really really good coach told me and said well, you know, how did that work out for you? I'm like, well, they haven't they never came back. I said, okay. Well Maybe maybe maybe if you think if you kind of consider that one day a week with you is better than no days a week So you really haven't helped them. I remember thinking like oh fuck. That's interesting. Yeah, you're right It totally does like if you start to to pull back and and reflect on like how you're coaching them Like you could see how because I noticed that too if I'm I'm a little bit more Hard, you know, as far as like oh, you're you're not hitting these marks and um All these things I'm trying to explain a lot of like uh of the the missteps and And not really focusing on um, you know, how we can reframe this So it's like it's more of an inviting environment where they're they're there to thrive. They're already there to To improve themselves. Why am I why am I hammering them for all these missteps and why am I not highlighting like And and taking a different angle and showing them, you know, where they are hitting marks so Yeah, I had to I had to assess the same thing where it was either intensity or Um, I just felt like maybe it was something that happened to them. It was a life moment You know, maybe they're having some kind of crisis that I didn't even know about but I was just too focused on like getting their goal and and and getting them in shape and uh, you have to be a little bit more empathetic And you have to be you have to understand the psychology a little bit more in depth to Really reach a lot of these people that are struggling through other things in life Not just fitness. Well give them options and think about it this way when it got to the point when my clients Called me and wanted to come in because they were stressed because they were tired because they hurt You know had a back ache or didn't sleep well last night sal you mind if I come in You know and see you an extra day like once that started happening People didn't um people became extremely consistent. They didn't stop Nearly my my my drop-off rate was reduced dramatically I mean you got to give people options like if I have a client that's just you know stops coming in and now I'll have a conversation with say look you haven't been looks like we've missed about three workouts Are you super busy? You stressed out? If that's the case, here's what I want to do. I want you to come in and we're not going to lift weights What we're going to do is we're going to do some stretches. I'm going to do some mild fascia release with you We're going to do a hike Um and I want to help you feel better and then all of a sudden people like wow that sounds like a great idea Like I think I want to do this Yeah, and you just give them more options and the consistency went through the roof But you still never I mean there's still going to be people who are going to stop and there's nothing you can do about it I'll tell you that the number one mistake that I used to make and the biggest game changer for me Was laying out the expectations I think that with all the social media with all the marketing and advertising and all the shit that's out there That most people when they hire you their expectations are extremely Out of whack like they're so far out because you see all these 30 days get shredded And oh my girlfriend lost 40 pounds by taking this pill and oh this person did this And so then they come in they hire a trainer and in their head they're going Well, I'm going to get a professional to help me so I should be able to get those results or even potentially faster And so I think the mistake that I made as a trainer was They would hire me and then I would just go about my training and then I would just assume that They would piece that together instead of learning how to lay it out for them So I have this big old long spiel that I do when somebody hires me and I'm setting the tone for like We're barely going to see the scale move This is what we're going to be working on This is how you're going to feel. This is what you need to understand So when I set the tone like that Then when they get into their because what happens the reason why people fall off and they lose motivation is because Let's be honest It's just like going to work if you went to work every single day And you went for two weeks and you opened up your paycheck And in your head you had a salary or you made $50 an hour and you get your paycheck after working two full weeks And you get $10 how fucking pissed are you and how long do you keep going to that job? But if you're if your boss told you that hey, guess what? You're not going to make any money working for me right now because we need to put all this work in first And then you actually received a little bit of money at that pay period after two weeks How pumped are you? So when you set the expectations really low for what they do for what they should expect And then you over deliver as a trainer if it's a lot easier to keep them motivated through the entire program And a lot of people just don't understand that when you first hire on you first get me as a trainer that There's a lot of things that we have to work on and fix before we actually get to the goal Right the goal is like the pretty part of the house. That's the shutters. That's the four bedrooms That's the crannic countertops, but we have to lay a foundation first And so just like if I were to build a house for you and you came to me You say hey, I want to move in next week and we're like looking at a pile of dirt I'm going to look at you be like that's fucking crazy And anyone that tells you otherwise is going to build a shit house for you So the same thing goes for your body is when someone comes in they hire me and I say listen We've got this we got to work on. We got this we got to do. This is what we should expect This first week you're going to feel like this you're going to think this is what's happening This is what's really going on. That's okay. I want that. That's a good sign In fact, if you draw, I know you want to lose 30 pounds But if I assess you after two weeks and we're down five and you're excited. I'm upset That means we're not doing what we're supposed to be doing right now I don't want to see that weight loss right away So when you lay out these expectations and you kind of you draw them a picture of like This is what the entire process is going to look like with me and they understand that it's not what they see on tv It's not all these gimmicky shit ads and social media things that they see in real life In real health and fitness and what it's going to be for longevity and how you're going to keep these results We have to go through these steps and it's going to look this way Most people just have no clue and so they lose motivation when they don't get What they think because they what they've seen and what they've been marketed to uh mind to muscle What is one of your favorite fitness trends and one of the worst ones you've ever seen in your career? This one's easy for me. Oh, wow. Let's hear. I can tell you about the worst The worst fitness trend that I saw in my fitness career was when Personal trainers went Fucking ape shit with stability stuff when they went nuts with stability stuff like There's definitely a Place for stability Unstable surfaces and stability type training Definitely, but man the trainers take that shit to the next level like people were doing Everything dude they were doing everything like curls while standing on one foot on a dyna disc and you know Shoulder presses balancing on a wobble board But it was like it wasn't something that they used strategically it became the entire workout like that's all that was and It also became in their minds better than Or a replacement for other workouts. I remember trainers saying oh squats You know squats on a on a wobble board so much better than traditional barbell squats Like that's that's just do that don't do the barbell squats anymore and I would scratch my head Because you know, I knew that uh, there's definitely a place for it But you can't replace your good old-fashioned power generating Movements that are going to give you all this carryover right so for me That was just one thing that and probably because right around that time is when I was really in the In the corporate gym world. So that's the trend that I saw just Sweep it was like out of nowhere man. It was like all of a sudden Everything became became that and it just it just It was just something that really got on my nerve. Are we gonna say are we all gonna go around say the ones? We don't like first thing okay all the ones we don't like so I think the worst one that uh, I've seen is the the introduction of circuit training when uh curves and Express zones very rapidly turned into crossfit Just I knew I was serving that one up for you Yeah, this uh, you know when we started talking about that, you know, we you could build and burn more You could burn more fat build more muscle in a shorter amount of time Now it has become this I see it all time too like it just pains me when I look look over and I see this You know guy or girl who's carrying 50 pounds overweight and they're just They're jumping rope and then they're doing bench press and then they're doing some dumbbell rows And then they're doing jump lunges and I'm just like oh my god, dude Like I want to die just watching that and I just know where that's heading for that person Like I can see I could see it on their face while they're training They're so determined that they're so pushed and there that's like gonna get them to like 15 20 pounds off and then they're not gonna know where the fuck to go from there And it's like an epidemic in the industry. It's just got and Justin's right It's turned into a sport, you know, it's gotten so great, which is fine. That's where it belongs It belongs as a sport doesn't belong as a way of training Does not belong as a way of getting in shape or helping somebody that like really needs that since Majority we know over 80 of the clients that I've ever trained are my middle age Soccer mom who needs to lose 30 to 40 pounds has all kinds of muscle imbalances and Postures or surgery that they've had that is like the average client. Yeah, and then you throw them in a circuit Yeah, that's probably the worst thing you could do. I know so to me that That was the worst thing that ever hit the fitness industry And it's it's not to say that you can't do a circuit training or doesn't have its place I'm not saying that but I'm saying for the majority of people and then how many people we see doing it Just like a majority of people that I see doing crossfit that don't belong in crossfit because they're not ready for that Okay, now I'm going to take this on to the other end of the spectrum. We're going to talk about vanity Okay, so my my issue too what I see bring it just being a fucking huge problem is is preaching all these This basically you're you're talking about people that have massive insecurities And we're supposed to look like certain people. So what we glorify these these models and these people that Do by any means necessary to to achieve a specific look And so, you know that has nothing to do with being healthy and fit and optimal and moving and Being efficient and and working with your body. So I'm looking at things as is is a picture and a portrait And this is a glorification of of a body type That might not even be my body type but people will just fucking kill themselves to look a certain way and You know, so you'll you'll see these Exogenous steroids and all these different Mean any means necessary. We're we're going to get to this level and we're going to look this look and it's an obsession and It's just it's the wrong message and so you get from both sides It's the hammering like adam saying as far as the intensity goes. It's is way extreme And then the vanity starving yourself way extreme and it's these these poor girls now It's even worse because it's not even fitness related. It's just people getting surgery and getting massive asses out of nowhere You know just just to get like millions of people to look at their ass Well to piggyback off of that shit is the what it's a same culture Are the same ones responsible too, which I could have went this direction is All the sideways chest press and the fucking bands on machines and all these like crazy things that you see these these people that are being glorified are putting in their routine either because they're trying to sell something Or whatever it may be or maybe that person actually has a reason why they're trying to work on this tiny little muscle Responsible for a tiny little bit of a movement because they're about to get on stage and present their body But now I've got all these 17 to 20 year old kids That are doing all these ridiculous movements on machines that have no business doing that because they're nowhere near that level of training To where they need to be focusing on a tiny little muscle that isolates a tiny little movement on your body They should be doing those big gross motor movements like deadlifting squatting overhead pressing So that same culture is feeding into that too, which is annoying as fuck. You know what sucks is So this well it kind of sucks. It's kind of cool in the past When I would look at a like a bodybuilder A physique competitor a bikini contest, you know competitor, whatever and I'd see them on contest day, for example when they're the most Depleted and shredded and all that stuff. I used to look at that and be like, oh, shit. That looks awesome Like I would really like to look like that looks so fucking sick, right? There's so but now it's very difficult for me because now All I see is uh, I hate to say it and Is disease and dysfunction and no knock at anybody who competes. I think it's it's I think it's In order to compete I can get on stage your knowledge of your body and how to manipulate every small detail Is incredible and I think that's pretty cool to know that kind of stuff but When I look at uh, their bodies and how they're and their skin and how they care and anybody who competes will tell you They feel like shit on competition day. There isn't a single competitor It's going to tell you oh, I'm my most fit and healthy the day of my competition I'll tell you that's their absolute worst health and I look at them I just see disease and dysfunction now. That's all I see now I can tell I can pick the things out and it sucks because I almost can't enjoy it like I used to you know I mean like I you know, we've been the contest where I've seen these bikini girls like backstage Sitting down in the hallway Like they look like they're about to fucking die and they're eating like a rice cake or something You know or some or some sugar to try and you know, they think they're going to pull out their muscles a little more Whatever and I'm looking I'm going. Oh my god. That's a that's horrible like that's really really bad Well, I think that that part of it inspires me that there's because I I know there's a lot I can do to help those people I feel like there's There is a way to compete And get to that level without it being so unhealthy I mean and I used to talk about it when we used it when I used to vlog my You know journey to getting ready for stage that hey The whole process leading up to getting on the stage is very healthy and totally fine And when I'd hit about 10 to 14 days out, uh, you wouldn't hear me transition in my vlog saying, okay This is the part where now we are entering a sport It is not ideal for my body But I'm going to push my body to another level to get a look that the judges are looking for on stage But talking to the audience and saying listen The the the methods the things that I'm going to take my body through these final 10 days or so It's not ideal. It's not ideal at all whatsoever for overall health and you know And I think there's ways that if you do it, right, you could argue that for that short period of time it could be Uh, healthy if done correctly. The problem is, you know, 95 plus of them are not there They're hiring coaches that are coaching 30, you know other Athletes that are all getting similar diets and similar workout routines and similar cardio recommendations and It's a fucking disaster. You know, and it's getting worse. I had somebody contact me about her nutrition. She was wondering why She wasn't having her period. Uh, she felt horrible She's having skinny like like basically just a list of things wrong with her young girl And uh, I said, well, what does your nutrition look like? She's like, well, this is what I was eating for the last six weeks and it was Frightening it was like It was like 10 to 15 grams of fat a day in like around 50 grams of carbs and it was all protein And I'm I told her immediately like listen You need to eat some carbs and some fats and go to the doctor and get tested and get checked because That was extremely damaging what you just did you just put your body through it was very very damaging You take you've gotten no essential fatty acids or very little Your body isn't running off of carbs either because it's so low. So all you're doing is taking is running off protein And um, you need to go make sure everything's in balance and then start bumping those things up So it's it is it is a crazy world, but adam the way you position it is I mean, it's beautiful, right? It's it is a sport like all sports. There's an unhealthy component to it Understanding that I think is real important as far as favorite fitness trend. Yes, talk about positive I'll tell you what one of my favorite fitness trends is And I think the pendulum went real far in one direction with this but now it's kind of balanced out Is the functional patterns? I was just I was going to say the same thing right now. Yeah, I really like it Now when it first started the pendulum went too far in that direction and it became uh, like Like mimicking everything you do in everyday life with weights and uh, you know So which I think is wrong because I think that there are movements You do specific to weights that have tremendous carryover To the rest of your life like like most most of everyday life You're not going to squat with something on your traps like a barbell. Well, right? But barbell squats are fucking amazing and they give you lots of carryover But the fun now that the pendulum the pendulum has kind of come in the middle I love like how people are adding to their routines. Uh kettlebell training Macebell training club stuff, you know training body weight movements movements on the floor that mimic animal You know type patterning, uh people are now working on Strengthening their feet. You saw you saw that trend start to come up a little bit Like I love that kind of stuff because it's it's it's helping people Progress their fitness to newer and newer levels and it's giving people more and more tools So I I'm going to go with you with the whole mobility movement But I'm also going to caution those at the same time because Like every other trend that I've liked that you've seen in the fitness industry It it's just we can't help but Put people in a tribal to fucking a it's tribal. It's beyond tribal In fact, I guarantee most of you that have a mobility specialist guy that you follow Look at his page. I mean I guarantee that's all he does, you know, like and and here's the thing like Like everything else and and that I'm going to go with that one because I'm with you Sal on that like 100% Yeah, let's stay positive. Yeah, it is it's one. It's one of the uh Most beneficial things that people can be incorporating It's probably got some of the most carryovers for just overall Healthy movement patterns and everybody needs it in their life And if you're you don't care about building a lot of muscle and strength And you're just so heavily focused on movement. This is that's what you should be primarily focused on That being said, you know, you start to get these camps and these guys that now all sudden will hate on everything else And it's all about movement and then you take it to these crazy Uh, you know animal flow patterns and that's all they they do. So, you know, even though I'm going to say it's my favorite I also caution you that you know, don't let yourself fall into the dogma of it's the way, you know, and it's the only way It's like it's it's a it's a another tool in your belt And it's probably one of the best tools that I have found in the last probably 10 15 years So I'm going to go with that being my favorite But again, I caution people because it's very hot and trendy right now and it's on its rise And you sure as shit will probably see it go the all the way Well, since you guys went in that direction, I'm going to kind of bring it more on the nutrition side Like what I'm really excited about is the adoption of of Things like functional medicine like holistic health like these kinds of practices that have Or paleo diets They focused more on the quality of food and then how it's going to actually affect your body and your your systems and your metabolism And you know, how your how your gut health and you know, how all these things interact with each other It's not just about You know, how many calories do you have you consume today? You know, what's your macro balance? Like that shit is fucking, you know, elementary And we need to move past that that way of thinking with the fitness community And we need to think further out. We need to think how this is going to affect our health well-being how this is all going to play out to You know, cron like because if you think about eating, it's a chronic repetitive process. So this is always happening I'm always consuming, you know every day That's going to affect you and that's going to affect the quality of your life later on And so I feel like, you know, we're just now starting to think a little further ahead and not just think about Look at my fucking abs. Look at you know, look at this pr I just did like that shit is done. That's that that's that's dead to me. You know, I'm so glad you brought that up I did a post an instagram post. I think it was on brain health Yeah, because uh, we don't everybody connects food to uh, how they look like so aesthetics, right? How lean I am how uh, maybe strength and performance But they don't connect it to wellness and the in the total body and they especially don't connect it to their mind And when I speak of the mind, I'm speaking separately From the brain the brain is an organ So I can take a brain out and I can you know Take a brain from a corpse and place it on the table and you have a brain But there's no mind there, right? The person's not alive. There's no consciousness. There's no Psychological phenomena. That's the mind and we forget and I want to do a whole episode actually on this Is I want to talk about the how having a healthy brain affects your mind and a lot of people don't realize this But we everybody knows we're in the in an obesity epidemic. Everybody knows we're in a diabetes epidemic and a heart disease epidemic Nobody talks about the mental health epidemic or I call the epidemic of the mind Like I just read the statistic the other day, but anxiety Uh documented anxiety where people will go to the doctor and complain about having actual anxiety in 1980 Was something like four percent of the population. It's over half now Now some people can say well, we're reporting more of it now And I I agree. We probably are reporting more of it now But that's a cop out and that's a fucking stupid cop out that western medicine loves to do Whenever they see a trend of bad health they say oh, it's because we're noticing more of it now Yeah, 50 percent of the population No, I'm sorry when depression is going through the roof Anxiety is going through the roof all these mental health issues are going the roof and it's mirroring Our obesity and and and process food consumption all this other shit You got to look at that and say they're all tied together So can you get lean and look aesthetic just following macros and calories? Yes. Are you going to be good and well? No And so look at that. Look at those things and pay attention. They they definitely make a huge impact. Love that Listen 30 days of coaching. 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