 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including non-physicists Chris Allen and Chris Smith Coming up on DTNS David Spark from CISO series helps us understand the cybersecurity hiring disconnect Plus the main announcements from Microsoft build and we have two more contenders for useful NFTs. Will we judge them worthy? This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday May 24th 2022 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane and I'm Roger Chang the show's producer co-host and producer at the CISO series David Spark. Welcome back to the show I am thrilled to be back. We are thrilled to have you Let's start right here with a few tech things you should know CNBCs and the Wall Street Journal sources both say that Airbnb will close its domestic business in China Which only accounts for about 1% of Airbnb's overall revenue apps like Maytuan Which combined food delivery and travel kind of a super app and more dominate the Chinese market And those can bring in new customers without spending as much as Airbnb Plus rigid COVID-19 lockdowns have put a strain on Airbnb's business in the region as well Chinese travelers will still be able to book Airbnb properties overseas Washington DC's Attorney General has filed a lawsuit against Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg It's accusing him of personal responsibility in the improper sharing of Facebook customer data With Cambridge Analytica in 2016 University of Cambridge data scientist Alexander Kogan if you recall had collected data from users for an academic use Then improperly shared data of those respondents friends with Cambridge Analytica Which then used the data to help political campaigns including the unsuccessful presidential campaign of Senator Ted Cruz Facebook was fined five billion dollars for that incident in 2019 because it did not take enough precautions to stop That type of improper sharing from being possible the DC case Alleges that Zuckerberg was personally aware of the risks and chose to ignore them Walmart is expanding its drone delivery service in partnership with drone up to 34 sites across six states with a rollout plan For the end of the year Walmart announced its investment in drone up last year late last year After a trial deliveries of COVID-19 testing kits in Bentonville, Arkansas So between the hours of 8 a.m. And 8 p.m. For customers in covered markets going forward the drones can move up to 10 pounds of merchandise So not really heavy stuff, but you know, you need some Tylenol and maybe a sandwich They're remotely controlled by FAA certified pilots, so they're not fully autonomous But when the drone reaches a customer's yard, it lowers the package on a cable You guessed my lunch Tylenol and a sandwich Walmart doing what Amazon said they would do but haven't yet Clearview AI has revised its facial recognition product with a new plan to sell it to private companies And you may think well aren't they prohibited from doing that? Yes They agreed not to sell their product their old product to private companies But this new product actually gets a person's permission before obtaining their image And then matching them to photo IDs and other data one example for instance is Columbia's Valet a buy now pay later app in order to get loans Which is what buy now pay later is and then access your account users must upload a copy of their ID in the first place That's voluntary you want to use the service you upload a copy your ID And then when you access the service later You can take a selfie and they'll use Clearview AI to match your selfie to your own ID with your permission Valet requires this kind of identification to prevent fraud and it will be switching from Amazon's recognition system to the new Clearview AI system Whether it's at Computex or not. We have lots of hardware announcements spilling out So here's a roundup of some stuff that caught our eye Logitech's 99 dollar MX master 3s mouse. It's quiet and it works on glass with its 8,000 DPI optical sensor Logitech also has a $170 MX mechanical keyboard and 150 mini version of the same keyboard These are basically gaming keyboards for work use ASUS announced a 500 Hertz Nvidia G-Sync monitor called the ROG Swift 500 Hertz No price of release date on that one on Wi-Bow Motorola teased a phone with a 200 megapixel camera coming to China next month and HP announced a mid-range Pavilion laptop with an option for an OLED screen as well as a Pavilion X 360 14 laptop starting at $600 so pretty affordable with an option for built-in 5g All right, let's talk a little about what's going on a Microsoft build Let's do it neural engines and other AI focused chips are common in phones We're getting more common in laptops as well Microsoft announced a couple of ways to support developers who want to use these kinds of chips Microsoft particularly wants developers To move off of arm 64 emulation and build cloud native AI applications. Yeah, that chicken and egg thing So they're giving you hardware. Well, they're not giving you hardware, but they announced hardware Project Volterra is a device that runs on Qualcomm Snapdragon platform and let's developers explore AI scenarios machine learning stuff mostly Using the Snapdragon neural processing engine the device will let developers build and test arm native apps Alongside tools that include visual studio vs code Microsoft office and teams. It's a flat box form factor Kind of like a Mac mini It can be stacked on your desk or in server racks and it is coming later this year Also alongside this windows itself is getting a neural processing SDK toolkit So you can execute debug and analyze performance of your deep neural networks if you're using a snapdragon chip and a preview of a native arm64 version of visual studio 22 native not emulated is coming in the next few weeks and is expected to fully ship later this year Along with arm64 dot net support now granted neither Sarah More me or even even David or enterprise developers So if there's something in here that gets you excited email us feedback at daily tech news show calm We'd love to hear that I think it is significant that you're seeing Microsoft move so much more into arm where they're saying We need to encourage the developers to build for arm, right? Certainly that's what Microsoft wants developers to do I would certainly want to hear from any developer who says I'm not super pumped about this because this was a pretty big story this morning And I think it in overall it seems like some would have a shift particularly for what What what these chips native AI chips are capable of yeah It's indicative of the growing importance of arm platforms to windows I had somebody on my substack go was this mean Microsoft gets off Intel the way Apple did I'm like Yeah, it's not exactly the same thing because what is Microsoft doesn't build it You know it doesn't tie its operating system the way Apple does go ahead David But isn't this just kind of the for any kind of platform Which needs developers like a gaming platform or anything like that? There always needs to be this announcement to try to drive everyone to get the developer kits to start building and You know it's I don't know how much they do testing with the developer community to see how they're going to Feedback and I but I gotta assume they do a considerable amount because they don't want to fall flat on its face Yeah I think what they they found is they've done partnerships to encourage development on arm with Qualcomm before and everybody just did emulation Because they could they're like why would I do the work if I don't have to so this is an attempt to Try to nudge them over and be like come on native applications here. We'll give you visual studio Well, Sarah any other hardware out there Project Volterra isn't the only hardware for devs that Microsoft announced Tom you are correct Microsoft dev box lets you access a pre-configured developer workstation in Microsoft 365 Working on any browser and supporting any ID ease and SDKs that run on Windows a portal lets you add and remove boxes and Paralype parallel eyes tasks across multiple machines dev boxes kickoff and private preview now With public preview coming in the next few months Microsoft's low-code power platform added power pages and also power apps express design power pages makes it easy to build a modern secure website and also integrates with visual studio code as Your dev ops and github if you need yeah So these are just these are non-arm specific in fact They're very cloud-oriented in the case of the Microsoft dev box But just good stuff there on the broader Windows side of things Microsoft remove the waitlist if you want to add win32 Applications to the Microsoft store that's good for devs But it's also good for us users because it means we should start seeing more things show up in the store and Microsoft will support third-party widgets in Windows 11 later this year for both win32 apps in PWAs This comes a few days after Microsoft started testing more of its own desktop widgets Desktop in addition to the ones in the widget panel so you can actually see them without having to go into the panel Power apps express design can take a PDF or image When properly designed in something like Figma and convert it into an app with working controls and data storage That goes along with what Sarah was just talking about with the power platform there But yeah good I don't know if there's too much to say about this But good good news that we should be able to see more apps in the app store and get more widgets indeed It also wouldn't be built without a Microsoft Teams announcement or many of them The big one was live-share that lets participants co-edit or co-create in apps that integrate with teams so for example Developers at hexagon created an app that lets teams users zoom in annotate edit 3d models in real time That's going to be great for some teams There's also a new whiteboard integration with similar co-editing and creation functions. Yeah And any of you views teams much I've used it sporadically. I mean, I I Considered a slack competitor, but no, I I don't use teams with anybody that I would many teams meetings But that's about it. Do you not go because it's in teams. I know I don't refuse to go Yeah, I like this This is another one where you're gonna have to have a lot of people get on board and create the integration But seems like they've got a good good lineup of people trying it out. So it looks promising All right You may think that with cryptocurrency crashing NFTs are on their way out But we've been thinking that the best use cases for the technology may not have surfaced yet So we have two attempts at NFT businesses today to look at I sort of like the idea that we are now holding court And we are the judges of whether we like these ideas or not. Sarah. What do we start with? Well, let's start with eBay a lot of eBay users out there eBay's partnered with a company called one of To mint 13 at 3d animated renderings of Wayne Gretzky You may have heard of him kind of a cool hockey player Making a signature move on the ice More NFTs will be minted later this year of various athletes that have been featured on the cover of sports illustrated So like the biggest athletes in the world type thing prices will start at a very reasonable ten dollars in the future Although the cheapest Gretzky one was twenty five dollars still Pretty affordable if you're you know in the NFT world, you know that they go for quite a bit more each NFT will have varying amounts Minted so for example the twenty five dollar Gretzky had one hundred ninety nine while the one that only had fifteen sold for $1,500 each so the more there are available the cheaper they are Like physical prints of images as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the idea right as you're mimicking that collector's marketplace in in digital I mean listen, I don't spend a lot of time on eBay. I certainly use it here and there My you know one of I believe it's been Much more in sort of the music NFT space So this is a little bit of an expansion for for that company, but this makes a lot of sense Especially because if you're into collectibles and not everybody is but if you are eBay is a place You've probably perused sure more than a million times to you know Figure out if you can get that thing that you really want that really matters to you So this is seems like a pretty natural evolution. I agree wholeheartedly because eBay has figured out what is The collectibles marketplace also in terms of the pricing mechanism for it as well Or you know letting the letting the market decide the price as well So why not add NFTs to it? It does seem pretty logical You for the for the prosecution I would say Only Oilers Gretzky no Kings no blues. Come on. I guess he was never on Sports Illustrated's cover with that So maybe that's why Everything you guys are saying it makes sense and the fact that these sold out in a heartbeat I think is the other evidence that well I think the brand of eBay and Gretzky helped a lot in that. Yeah, we'll see juries out juries out on whether this one Holds for the well and when eBay and one of were announcing this partnership They made a point to say, you know, this is for a lot of folks that just aren't into crypto yet They're not necessarily NFT collectors yet. It's an easy way Yes This is where we'll want to make it as easy as possible and with a you know, low Financial barrier to entry and I'd wondered how many people will pick them up on that But this is a big deal because and correct me if I'm wrong Where else has NFTs or even crypto entered an Existing well-known marketplace that people already have their payment mechanisms locked in already. Yeah, this is huge There are others but eBay's certainly the biggest one because It would be the equivalent of the Amazon all of a sudden doing this, you know, it's exactly All right, so we're judging that one a tentative success. It sounds like What about this one the Wall Street Journal reports that a startup called pink Tadah I don't know. I like pink Tadah Has launched a hotel booking system that issues your reservation as an NFT So your reservation is not technically refundable But you can use that token for other hotels if you're like actually I can't stay at this hotel You can go to pink Tata and say I want to I want to transfer this token to another hotel for another reservation Or you can sell it to another traveler now I didn't find for sure whether this is true But theoretically that could cut the original hotel in on the revenue when you resell it because NFTs can work that way Pink Tata also said that if you get stuck They will be the buyer of last resort of your reservation, which implies that you'll never get that you can like sell it back to them at some point The hotel will get their money either way. So the hotels are motivated to participate in this Hotels and resorts in the Caribbean, Mexico, San Francisco and Hawaii are all participating the Argonaut Where I I spent my my first night after I got married is part of this you can get an NFT reservation there in San Francisco So this this Confuses me a little bit and here's why so okay pink Tata says I Sarah books a hotel at the wherever hotel that you stayed at Tom and Maybe last minute and I'm like, you know, I changed my mind or I can't do it And the hotel doesn't want to have an empty room because I canceled last minute and Pink Tata says well, don't worry about it. Sarah. You either transfer it to somebody else But at the last minute, we'll just buy back this NFT from you So both you and the hotel lose nothing. Why would pink Tata do that? Like what what is that again? I think they're counting on the fact hotel reservations currently I think they're counting on the fact that not that many people will do that And so they want to provide a safety net to get people to try it sure I think doesn't seem like a sustainable model It doesn't it doesn't seem like something they could keep doing forever unless people get so used to this that they You know, they just cancel in such low numbers that pink Tata calls that the the cost of insurance They you know the cost of just making sure the platform works But it does seem odd that that they would do that and they certainly I wouldn't imagine they do a long term Yeah, all right folks, if you know why pink Tata does that join in our conversation I I think we're we're we're we're reserving judgment on pink Tata. I like that idea a lot Yeah, except for that one little niggling thing there Yeah, just explain more about the sustainable model of yours where nobody loses by getting the NFT Yeah, I like it a real marketplace. We're no one ever loses I think the idea is like look you're gonna be able to resell it for more than you reserved it for because these places will be in demand I don't know if that's true. Yeah Anyway joining the conversation on our discord. You can talk about this or anything else by Lincoln do a patreon account at patreon.com DT and s it's no secret that there's a huge gap between cybersecurity jobs and Available people to fill those jobs according to the international information system security certification consortium. There's about 400,000 open security jobs in the US alone even after the US job market added 250,000 people to the internet and cybersecurity workforce between 2020 and 2021 so Dave we got the demand we got the supply Why isn't there a rush of job applicants in this space? So this has been a chronic issue And I will say that you hear complaints about this on reddit on LinkedIn on Twitter. I would say most predominantly I see it on reddit Where people green to the industry desperate to get in Because they hear about all these positions that are open But the problem is all these positions are open are for people with you know Three to five plus years of experience sometimes even more There is little to no demand sadly for Entry-level people but companies are realizing this is the problem and so what they're doing is They are starting to slowly not quickly but slowly open up entry-level positions and built into that Provide some level of training, but unfortunately not all companies can do this. Yeah, so you've got IBM Which which I saw is adding trains training centers at six HBC use Xavier University of Louisiana the Southern University system North Carolina and T South Carolina State Clark Atlanta Morgan State These are IBM saying we want to train people to work at IBM, but not everybody's IBM So if you can't go sponsor training centers What do you do? well Let me though. Let me get to that question but I would do want to answer the fact that they're doing this specifically for the African-American community because This this community for so long was Underserved mostly because they didn't aware that cybersecurity was even an option for them Jarek Beeson is the CISO over CISO commercial bank for Capital One who is African-American himself. He said In his community, you only realized it because either a relative went into cybersecurity or you yourself or relative was in the military specifically There was no way to discover that even cybersecurity was even a job option at the time So that's kind of key for the African-American community right there But to answer your question if you don't have this capability specifically to do the training programs Individuals what they really need to do is they need to approach cybersecurity leaders directly which can be quite daunting to do just that but They are pretty welcoming and I would highly recommend the way the best way to approach them is in social media if the cybersecurity leader you are interested in working with is prolific in social media Comment on their posts and then after you know a while of commenting They will kind of get to know your name and feel free to try to reach out to them directly Predominantly, I will tell you LinkedIn is a great spot to do this Twitter is also a big space as well Those are kind of the two predominant spaces where you will find cybersecurity leaders Well, that that sounds like a good idea for somebody who wants a job in cybersecurity But what about the company who says I need experienced people I can't I can't go train them up I'm not IBM. I can't create a center There are third-party companies that will do training but it's and they will you know They'll budget that into you know their budget for hiring young staff to also train them up But there's there's external training and then there's training within the company And so what usually companies need to do in that situation is they need to Set aside time for their own staff their senior staff to be able to train the younger green staff If you have all your senior staff maxed out with no time for training You just are incapable of bringing people on and bringing green people on and so what results is you could only hire more senior people And that's an extraordinarily competitive market that is just getting more and more costly So, you know, I haven't run the numbers, but you have to look for yourself It goes what is cheaper for us and what it's more cost efficient And also how quickly can we get them on board because you may spend six months trying to find that senior level person When you could have trained somebody up to learn a certain portion of what that senior person could do and you could get a green person on You know right away. Yeah, and if you're never bringing in new people then you're not creating, you know The next generation you need to bring on bring on new folks keep them happy keep them growing keep them trained ongoing training Expanding their their their horizons in in this industry And and you know, you're you're gonna be cutting off your supply if you don't do that because from what you've you've said it seems like There's no shortage of people who want these jobs. It's it's it's on the shortage of the senior people to figure out how to Bring the new folks into the system so to speak and let me just also add if you're only Dealing with senior level people. It's gonna be extraordinarily costly for you because it's such a hyper competitive market And people are being torn away from one job to the next purely through money And other opportunities and the fact that most cybersecurity companies We're not gonna say most many cybersecurity companies now are hiring virtually that you know That person doesn't need to be physically local to be torn away. Yeah now on the other end I get where companies are like sure But it's security which is more important than ever I need to make sure I'm hiring people who can do the job can and do the job well, right? Right and and and you can do that at the green levels, but it's the thing is There's a risk to bringing someone on green you don't want them to have you know admin access to core servers right away Yeah So you have to actually do risk management with green people. How do you bring them on? How do you train them and learn to trust them? So they and they trust you as well as you are slowly Giving them tools and giving them access so this it's a very very delicate balance at all different levels Yeah, it seems like there's not an easy answer here But if if there's someone out there Who's looking to break into security whether they're they're young and right out of college or there's somebody that's taking advantage Of this training to change careers. Do you have any advice to help them break in? So the big advice is and I see someone asked, you know, what about the comp TIA security plus Certificate certificates are not going to get you in one of the the key things is I would highly recommend is get involved in communities I can't stress that enough That is the one thing everyone has a local community of some sort if you don't have one start one I'm starting one here in the San Diego area. There are others in the San Diego area as well But it's really really important to get involved in your local communities of cyber security You will learn about who is hiring and I'm telling you and on our shows Every time I have a guest on I always ask are you hiring and 95% of the time they're hiring So if you ask a security leader, are you hiring chances are pretty high that they are yeah And then lawnmakes says they got a gig that'll pay for a comp TIA cert So, you know, if you get the job well, I'm able to get an investment or at least it'd be smart for a company to make that investment Maybe I will tell you a cert alone will not get you a job You know, but I'm saying once you get the job if the company's smart they'll invest in those sort of and they will invest Yes, and sometimes they do that but like the CISSP that's a you know That is one that often some companies require if you want to move into security leadership roles Yeah, all right from security now that we've got you all jobs To detecting earthquakes Yeah, so in the journal science researchers have published how they used 3600 mile cable fiber optic cable between Halifax Canada and Southport in the United Kingdom pretty long cable to detect storms and tides even earthquakes So the cable lies on the seafloor. It's tiny the tiny but measurable disturbances in those fiber optics Effect the light speeds across the Atlantic Ocean That's the ocean we're going around and give a reading of the location of perhaps a quake Maybe it's a big one. Maybe it's a small one or some other disturbance. The researchers used a form of in for Interferometric, I knew I was gonna get that wrong sensing which exploits a device in undersea cables called or a Peter So if there's no perturbation the signal stays stable But if there's been a disturbance even a small one that frequency changes and then they have more information on what has happened I love this. It's a hack. It's basically saying we already have this information, right? We just needed to and you don't have to go out to sea like be on top of it and be in a storm or anything It's yeah, you you have a lot more information Not a peaceful place to be at sea I'm not getting those looking glass of water is Atlantic, so yeah Pretty cool. All right, let's check out the mailbag So Mike wrote in and said this is in response to our conversation yesterday about Amazon Maybe doing deliveries from shopping malls. What are we doing here? Mike said in the coverage of Amazon using those local malls as Delivery points. I heard the conversation focused around Amazon delivering from businesses at the mall I think the bigger move here is Amazon getting into that one hour or same day delivery to achieve this They need warehouses closer to people in the Phoenix area where Mike lives He says there's a big Amazon distribution point on the far side of town for me, but right down the street there's a mostly vacant mall along with plenty of other vacant commercial real estate the malls being redeveloped right now and Amazon is putting in a big old Whole Foods. I Have to believe there'll be a bunch of other space for storing products that people in neighboring zip codes order regularly or want immediately Mike says I think leveraging that Vacant mall real estate that Amazon may have partly caused is a big win in their push to shorter delivery time That's a very good point Mike And I don't know if it's related to them doing the delivery from mall stores or not it may or may not be But nonetheless, even if it wasn't the idea of taking that vacant mall space and turning into warehouses is one I've seen other people speculating that Amazon wants to do but no Whole Foods in a place when you're gonna run out the rest of The space with a warehouse makes perfect sense Yeah, yeah smart Well, thank you to you David spark for bringing the knowledge today Let folks know where they can keep up with all that you do Just check out CISO series calm if you are in cyber security or you are Looking to get into cyber security. 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