 initiative of department dozen duty to Lairajan and the honorable chief guest for the evening Sadguru Yogi mystic and a visionary Sadguru is an under of Isha Foundation an international non-profit organization with a million volunteers across the world an Arresting blend of profundity and pragmatism his life and work serve as a reminder that yoga is not an esoteric Discipline from an outdated past, but a contemporary science. It is a great honor to have you amongst us We would now have a glimpse of Sadguru and Isha Foundation through a short video We're sorry for the technical glitch with great pleasure We now invite Sadguru on the dais along with our three fellow students Swaminathan Srinidhi and Ram Haram Bikha to facilitate the conversation with Sadguru I would now request director professor Dr. Bhaskar Ramamurthy to come up on the stage and welcome our chief guest for the evening I'm so sorry. I Would now request director sir to please address the gathering very good evening to all those assembled here They are indeed highly privileged to have with us today Sadguru to address all our students and campus residents But Guruji in IIT Madras. We do not Give an order to students or anybody to turn up everybody who turns up at these Events have all turned up because they're very eager to participate and hear the speaker and also to ask questions So I'm very glad at the turnout And I don't want to take any more time. Just you know, you're all aware that at the current time Among many other things. Sadguru is focused on this rally for rivers. He was just beginning to briefly tell me What's what, you know, the framework under which it's being put together? It's really an awesome Exercise, I'm sure he will touch upon that among many other things So I'd like to as quickly as possible hand it over to Sadguruji and ask him to address the audience and also take your questions Thank you. Thank you, sir. Let us now commence with the most awaited conversation of the evening over to Swaminathan Namaskaram Sadhguru. Thank you for accepting our invitation and coming to IIT Madras Department of Management Studies MBA Hello Thank you very much for accepting our invitation and coming down to IIT Madras Department of Management Studies MBA Invitational lecture series. They're really blessed and honored by your presence And we are really excited that they are going to have some lively conversations with you So with your permission, I would like to start the question and answer sessions Over to Srini This is good enough audio for all of you. What's she speaking? And you've got to say it not at the end of the conversation Do check check. Hello. Yeah, that's good so I'm saying that in a technological institution technology failures are happening. It's In the last 20 years, I've been particularly focusing on global business leaders Including many of the top and variety of businesses in India Why this is because the traditional So-called spiritual Always is skeptical about this Why should a spiritual leader be talking to business leaders be in business meetings be in work economic forums and those kind of summits See we must understand this Today and for always it's just people who live off calendars and slogans. They don't understand this. Otherwise the success of a nation He's not in the success of its politics Not in the success of its even its armies But it's always in the success of its commerce and its business In which nation the businesses are doing really well That nation is doing well. There's no question about it So when this is the reality of our existence There was a time 250 years ago When everybody wanted to come to India risking their life You know all the European expeditions don't think they came here because they were in love with us Because this was the richest nation. So everybody wanted to come here, but today if Western nations open up their visas 70% of Indians will swim across the oceans and get there Why because their businesses are successful hours are not as successful as they should be essentially it's that So business is not a bad word In my understanding of life business essentially means it's a transaction where both the parties benefit and In my experience of life Whatever kind of transactions we have whether the transactions of marketplace or marriage Both the party should benefit. Otherwise it will not sustain Yes So Business is not a bad word at all for me the business also had this resistance in 2006 or 2005 don't remember the years When I first went to world economic forum People were almost resentful What is a mystic doing in a economic forum? So this one person who spoke to me in a very not so business like language Said what are you doing here? I said, what's your business? He said we are the third largest computer making company Well, very proudly he said three months later. They were taken over by the Chinese I said see doesn't matter whether you make computers or safety pins or spacecrafts or cars It doesn't matter what you make Essentially the fundamental business is of human well-being and that's my business too And that's why I'm here and that's why you're here But you have forgotten your fundamental business you've gotten up in the process of your Quarterly balance sheets and you've forgotten why the hell you're doing this business Every business that you do is essentially for human well-being, isn't it? Your idea of humanity may be just you unfortunately or just you and your family or just you and your community Or your idea of humanity may be the entire world. The question is only of scale of understanding But essentially every business that we are doing in this planet is for human well-being So such an important business Must be conducted in the right way when I say can must be conducted in the right way Essentially any activity with that we do Is it Is it inclusive or is it exclusive? That's the main question So my effort has been to make the businesses as inclusive as possible In that particular forum I coined this word inclusive economics This is bouncing all over the world including the prime ministers have been using this word now Inclusive economics because economy has to be inclusive otherwise economy or the process of economics becomes an exploitative process Where the corrections will happen in brutal ways later on Whatever you have seen in the last two centuries as revolutions is just actually Economics becoming exclusive and corrections happening in brutal ways on the street If you don't want that kind of corrections to happen It is very important that you run the business in an inclusive manner So that's been my effort essentially Thank you, sir. Guru my next question is on Chennai flood which we witnessed in December 2015 Chennai Chennai floods. Oh, you're talking like no Almost 280 people lost their lives almost three three million people were cut off from basic amenities The heavy rainfall cost around three crores worth damages I'm not sure if Chennai or Tamil Nadu is prepared to face another situation in the near future What needs to be done? So we don't know how to handle a blessing That's a whole problem When water is something that is super scarce in the country But we build cities which are not capable of handling even the normal monsoon rains Not when a cyclonic storm happened. That's different. That's an unusual level of water when a tsunami came You can't handle the water. That's a different matter. You can't be prepared for that But a normal monsoon We are not able to handle in most of the cities whether you see Mumbai Mumbai is every year flood Chennai only once it happened But it will come to you also because there is simply no planning We've just building cities like shacks all over the place whichever way we like without understanding the topography Nobody ever built a city even in ancient times without considering the topography of the place But today we are such brilliant engineers. We have built things without considering the topography We have built bridges and roads all across the country without considering the topographic Topographical issues as if you can fix it. You can't fix it the flow of water and many other aspects of soil dynamics and other things are very topographically decisive So without considering the topographic aspects, we're just building cities One building at a time our plan is only one building at a time sanctioned the entire plan Nobody knows where is that plan So there is no way we can rip off the city and again put it back not possible. We're not ready to do that We have to make corrections Corrections could be painful for a few people Which we must do I think some corrections were done people who are living in the riverbed You know they built in the riverbed, but it's their home When you demolish this home, it looks very cruel because there's a family living there and they suddenly out on the street But if you want long-term well-being Some hard steps are needed We should be willing to go through some pain if you want long-term well-being if we don't do those things we will live like Very you know for the day kind of people Again when it rains or when it floods or when it something happens, we will always have problems now our problem is not a flood Chennai has only 50% of the water that it needs right now. They're saying by 2030 you will have only 22 to 25 percent of water that you need that is what you need to bother about not really flood But flood was a very artificial situation in my opinion, I know many people will be angered by this The administration will be angered by this But in my opinion, this was a very artificial flood lot of wrong things being done It should not rain You want rain or no rain or you did you come up in the nursery rhymes of rain rain go away or No We want rain in this country This is a tropical nation which receives only 40 to 45 days of average rain in the in the year We want as much rain as possible Only thing is we have to build capacity to see how the rainwater goes down into the soil not flowing into your home This needs some planning. This needs some correction Corrections will look cruel when you do it, but later on citizenry will enjoy that the city will be a good place to live But they will be painful when we do it So In those lines you are talking about asking people to Change the places in which they live. So, how can we make them think about the society? Many of the people are selfish They think about themselves. So, how can we make them see that it is harming another person? How can we make them see that we have to go to do good to the society? See, it's not about doing good to the society You must understand there is no such thing as society. There are only human beings Together we call them a society If we have to live in a place If you want to live by your own rules, you must withdraw to the mountains and live by your own rules But you can't live by your own rules and nature There there are other creatures animals you have to follow their rules if you want to survive So if you want to survive in a human society You have to follow those rules which are inclusive and beneficial to all Otherwise you become unfit to live in a human society If you go to the jungle You must understand when the triangle is tiger is prowling you must sit on a tree If you walk in front of him like this Then you become breakfast So wherever you go there are rules If you want to play the game there is a rule. So to live in a city there are rules If we don't understand this then we become unfit to live in human societies Especially when the society has a concentrated population Everybody has to follow the rules otherwise every little thing that we do harm somebody else So we need to understand this this sense of living in close proximity is a certain challenge and Our cities are very closely packed people So how we walk how we breathe how we drive how we throw our garbage how we use water Everything needs to be calibrated carefully. Otherwise nobody can live properly here Because of population pressure and poverty and variety of other Stresses that people are going through they try to find shortcuts That is how it is everywhere. Believe me people are we are like this This is why we must become a law abiding nation right now even with the rivers This is what I'm trying to do. Everybody wants to do things out of their emotion This is a nation which runs on people's emotion Anything you say they want to get into action today wherever I go this a rally for rivers So we will plant trees tomorrow. I said you're not going to plant a single tree. Just shut up and give a missed call Because the what is lacking in the country is a strategy Emotionally, we do things and it dies down after three days We have to approach our problems strategically right now Chennai flood as an example Topographical maps are there. All right, if you just see it, we know which of the areas which will have to go Now they're not willing to go so if they're not willing to go We have to do much more engineering of laying underground pipes and doing things all this stuff If this we have to do there's a cost involved if this we have to do if we don't dig out your house At least maybe we have to dig your garden You must be ready for that if you're not ready for that there must be a law which will anyway do it But now if you have to make a law like that We should not have people who are very nervous about winning the next election or naked winning the next Oat confidence Oat They can't make this loss. They cannot enforce this loss There must be leadership, which is willing to do what is needed for the long-term well-being of the city and the people This needs some courage and commitment to execute what needs to be executed Satguru now, I'm going to ask a different question. So I've seen people copying answers, but you are copying questions so, sir, two major problems we all face are Identity crisis and self-doubt and self-doubt especially plagues as women. So what advice can you give us? doubt is a very good thing Only a fool is dead sure of everything Only idiots are dead sure of what they're doing either. You must be an idiot or you must be a fanatic then you're dead sure Otherwise every moment. There's a doubt about everything. It's a good way to live Doesn't it conflict with confidence self-confident? See We'll come to that doubt means you have an active intelligence constantly looking at everything of all possibilities Because there is nothing here in the world, which is hundred percent yes or hundred percent no You're always looking for pluses and minuses and seeing how to gather more pluses and act Is there a hundred percent plus in the world or is there a hundred percent minus in the world? There's no such thing Is there anybody here who is hundred percent plus or hundred percent minus? Absolutely wonderful and absolutely nasty. No, they are Like that the gen we gauge them and see okay in the day. How many times they are nasty whether to be friendly with them or not We decide isn't it? Whether it matches with our nastiness or not Hello See, we are not seeking somebody who's absolutely fantastic We are looking for somebody Who has whose nastiness is reasonably like ours? isn't it some sense of Compatibility for every sort of action that we perform in our life We are looking for that kind of people you want to drive with certain kind of people you want to do business with certain kind of people you Be you want to be married to certain kind of people you want to be friends with certain kind of people What you're looking for is different in all these areas of activity. Isn't it? So this is always there only thing is Doubt is good You must encourage doubt within yourself. Otherwise you will either become a fanatic or a fool Thinking you have attained to certainty No doubt is good, but you must be joyfully Confused Okay, if you get confused you make yourself miserable. That's the problem if you're joyfully confused like me You have no issue because You constantly nurtured confusion Now out of that after much doubt and considering considering everything in the universe slowly clarity arises Now you talked about confidence confidence is a terrible thing because Confidence means without clarity you have attained to certainty Confidence is the first step towards fanaticism You will see nobody's or as confident as a fanatic, isn't it? Because you become a one-track mind. You never question yourself. You never question your actions You never question your thoughts and emotions. You just become certain So this kind of certainty is of no use This will come because you believe something You simply believe something believing something gives you confidence, but not clarity But you will walk through the world negotiate this world well Only when there is clarity not when there is confidence Confidence is a way of blundering through life. See right now If you want to walk through let's say one of the rows between two rows Let's say your vision is not clear But you have confidence. What will you do? Hello, please tell her If somebody whose vision is not clear walks through one of these two between these two rows What will they do? They will step on everybody's feet, but they're confident Right now, this is what is happening people who believe in absolutism about everything. They are confident They know they're doing the right thing and going to heaven. It doesn't matter what horrendous things they create Yes or no, they are dead. Sure I'm sorry. They're not dead unfortunately They are so sure that they are going straight to heaven They know in which direction heaven is You know here here But the planet is round you are sitting approximately at probably 12 degrees latitude and it's spinning So if you look up inevitably you're looking up in the wrong direction That is not something that they will consider They know this is the way to heaven, but the earth is spinning always pointing in the wrong direction, isn't it? But they are dead sure because they believe this is it So confidence is a very bad thing. That's been nurtured in people. What you need is clarity clarity needs working upon yourself It will not come simply like that that You express doubt about everything and consider and consider and consider constantly slowly Clarity will rise out of that because you see clearly you have clarity Confidence you don't have to see clearly just like that. You believe you're right then you're confident Confidence is a terrible substitute for clarity. Please bring clarity into your lives If you are a confident, oh, you're not an engineering engineering manager If you're a confident manager without clarity, you will be a blundering fool with people Yes But if you have clarity you don't have to claim you're a manager Everybody will line up behind you to ask what to do next because they see clarity in you Thank You, Sadhguru. My next question is on courage or bravery As a child, I was I've always heard that three important aspects of life are education wealth and courage In Tamil we say Kallvi Selvam Veeram So as students of IIT Madras, the education aspect is taking care We also believe that the wealth part will be taken care once we graduate from IIT Madras Courage becomes a question mark. Could you give us some insights on courage? See when you do something Beyond a little bit of reason You call it courageous But when somebody else does the same thing, we think he's stupid He's risking his life When we step back From something we call it caution when somebody else step back. We say he's a coward So this courage business is a very relative thing. What is courage? What is not courage? The question is just this If you there are some people who are capable of walking into situations without knowing a thing about it Okay, but whether they can walk out of it or not is a big question mark Again, I'm going back to the same thing if you had absolute clarity about everything You would know how to act in that situation or whatever that is And you would largely know the consequence of that action if it is a Calculated effort and you took the action it may succeed It may not succeed because there are many factors that you could have overlooked But if you had enough clarity the chances of success are much much better But if you just have this veeram in you too much Okay, and you took steps because you're courageous When things don't work others will see that it was the stupidest thing to do So you must understand You will be attributed with all kinds of qualities positive qualities as long as you're successful The moment you fail People will see the same things that they said was courageous They will say after five years. He's a nutter fool. What a thing he has done to himself and to everybody So the important thing is The purpose of human action is success It doesn't matter whether it's a big thing or a small thing that you do if you Don't torture the children If you if you take any kind of action Which produces positive result? Then people say you're intelligent All right, maybe you're not Maybe it was just chance but they will say you're intelligent because Most of the world is not able to recognize anything other than success It's not the best way to live, but that is the reality Today all over the world all kinds of universities especially in the United States They want me to be there. They're asking me to be their professor. I said I I wanted university all my life Now you think I'll get trapped in it so This is not because they see who I am 35 years ago when I simply sat down in a place I closed People thought I was a fool Fifty years ago when I simply sat under a tree or upon a tree without doing anything with my eyes closed My family thought I'm an utter idiot What is happening to this boy? He's lost his mind. They thought my father actually thought I need psychological evaluation because he's simplicity not doing anything but This is what we have done to life That we are too much result oriented not process oriented if our processes are right Results will come But because we're in such a hurry for results. We are too result oriented because of that. We built these kind of cities Which no process only I built your I built my house You built your house everybody appreciated clapped their hands and said oh he has gotten his own house It's a it's a disaster for the city, but I got my own house all right, so This excessively success oriented society is dangerous because We will miss all the processes. We'll bypass processes and do things ad hoc. It may succeed See anything will succeed 50% of the time even if you don't know what the hell you're doing Yes If you're playing cricket with your eyes closed also if you swing the bat you may hit it All right So 50% of the time lot of things may happen by chance But that is not what young people should depend on you must build a process within yourself Which is reliable. It doesn't matter somebody approves it disapproves it whether the world approves it or disapproves it Whether it appreciates or depreciates it doesn't matter You built a solid process for yourself that it's always always reliable for you If you do this If there's an opportunity in the world, maybe it'll become a big success Otherwise, maybe it will be something like that But you will have the beauty of always standing and firm ground within yourself Never struggling with anything that happens to you in your life. This is what you must build Success in the world will come depending upon what the world is ready for. I was the same person 40 years ago But at that time everybody thought I'm no good But today they think I'm a great mystic yogi nonsense, whatever, okay Because not because they experience who I am Because everywhere is recognized. They are also clapping their hands. That's all So what the flock says it doesn't matter have you built an appropriate process which has absolute integrity within itself and Clarity is the basis of your process if you have done this It doesn't matter whether the world accepts you or not You are successful because as a human being you're successful You're successful in the world or not depends on what the world is ready for right now Why are you clapping? You know that experience is a phenomenon by which we hear that the memories of previous births are awakened and People gain extra sensory perceptions as a person Since you have undergone a near-death experience. Can you We read that you a snake bit you and you had oh that was not near death So, okay, then can you share what near-death experience is to us and How it awakens consciousness within us if you have Anybody from Varanasi here. Oh Only one There is something called as Bhairavi Yathana. Have you heard about this? This is when a person Are you ready for something like this is a management school I thought Hello Are you all interested in this question? Only the older people are raising their hands because they're near death one way or the other Because why I'm asking this question whether we should speak about it or not ease Aspects like this about our life Need to be properly looked at If we if I try to give you a two-minute answer It'll become frivolous and you'll make wrong conclusions Either you will believe it or disbelieve it. That's no good But it's in the intrinsic nature of the way life is built see I'm sorry. I'm not getting your name Lot of wealth Out of the three qualities, what are you? No, I thought those three qualities you got here. I was wondering See you are the person that you are you're different from this person What is it? What is the difference? What is it that makes the difference? Kind of experiences that I have had memory essentially memory, right So your memory is your person Your memory is not just what you remember consciously Do you remember how your great great great great grandmother look like? No, but her nose is sitting on your face Yes or no, your body remembers or no Your body remembers how your forefathers looked a million years ago. So there is Genetic memory. There is evolutionary memory. There is elemental memory. There is atomic memory and there is karmic memory and there is Articulate and inarticulate memories like this. There are many levels of memory in yoga. We identify eight forms of memory These all these memories put together You are the person that you are all of them are interplaying with each other You may not be conscious. What is kicking in right now at this stage in your life? It may so happen I'm not saying essentially for you, but for anybody you're 18 You look at your mother or father and say no, I'm never going to be like that. All right But you become 45 You will see you will walk like your mother. You will sit like your mother You'll talk like your mother this happens to any number of people ask the older lot Because the genetic memory is overpowering your conscious memory Unless you have consciously done something to yourself You will see the genetic memory and the karmic memory will overpower everything that you are doing consciously unless you have Created a certain level of awareness within you that you have distanced yourself from your genetics in this culture There are processes if somebody dies We are doing various karmas. He's from Varanasi Kriyas and karmas are being done every year First eleven days and then every year. This is not in memory of them. This is to distance yourself from their memory We are trying to keep a genetic distance from their memory because if you allow their memory to function within you, you will not have a life of your own Unknowingly your mother your grandmother your father your grandfather all of them will start living through you if you want to be a fresh life You must distance yourself when they're alive. We love them. We respect them everything fine the moment. They're dead We want to distance ourselves from them. This is a very conscious culture But unfortunately people think yearly once they're overeating thinking They're doing this in memory of their father. No, this entire process was created to create a distance from the dead someone else somewhere far away said 2000 years ago when he said come follow me when people said my father or somebody said my father is dead He said leave the dead to the dead It looks most Uncompassionate statement, but he's saying something very profound when he says leave the dead to the dead if you don't leave the dead dead They will live through you. This is the nature of life So only a human being is able to leave the dead to the dead for all other creatures Anyway, it will play through them Even in the human being if they're not conscious it will play through them So this phenomenal amount of memory Which is incredible levels of memory because see if you what do you like mango or banana? If you eat a mango it goes inside and becomes a woman if he eats a mango it goes inside becomes a man If a cow eats a mango it goes inside and becomes a cow Very smart mango you think No, there is memory here Whatever enters this body it is make sure it becomes masculine There is memory here which makes it see just because you started eating not mangoes from Tamil Nadu You started eating mangoes from Uttar Pradesh your nose will not grow your complexion will not change it will not happen It doesn't matter what is the intake there is absolute memory within you which determines how it should be transformed So this memory is a possibility it makes you who you are at the same time memories also a boundary It will not let you cross that See, I remember this much means. What does it mean? I'm living within that memory boundary, isn't it? So your genetic memory your Evolutionary memory and every other kind of memory especially the karmic memory is a possibility Which allows you to do many things Unthinking if you know many things you can do you know how to eat rasam rice Unthinking isn't it you ask Here there are some Chinese leaves sitting here. You ask her to eat rasam rice Whatever she does it will spill all over the place. It will not go into her mouth Because there is memory Simply you can eat like that But somebody else tries such a simple act it won't work. She will eat with two sticks you try go and hit the ceiling Because all this memory is built in I'm not only talking about memory that you built by practice There is memory which is beyond practice Like you will walk in a certain way without knowing why If we look at you you're walking half a mile away if I look at the way you swing your hand We know it's you There are seven point three billion people, but you have a unique way of swinging your arm, isn't it? So the memory is built into you. It is both a possibility and a limitation This is the entire goal of yoga to Go in the direction where you touch an intelligence within you which is beyond memory Because beyond memory means beyond boundaries also How do you know somebody here? This is your friend and this is Somebody that you do not know that is your enemy. That is the person you like and that's a person You don't like how do you know just your memory, isn't it? So all your boundaries are dot drawn by your memory. So boundary the memory is both a possibility and a limitation So when the moment of leaving this body comes Don't believe all this, okay You must experience it when the moment of leaving this body comes the memory goes into an overdrive It is not about past lives or whatever. This is called as by the viyathana To conduct this consciously That's why people who are under who are near death or people who are become old enough and they think they must die at Some point and they know they will die They all moved to kashi at one time because they want to conduct this by the athana consciously So that this they can become free from this memory if you become free from his memory Memory means repetitiveness if you become free from your memory all repetitiveness is gone from Compulsiveness to consciousness you have moved So this is being interpreted in the West in so many crazy ways Generally these books are written Everybody's claiming they had near death because those books sell well In America if you want to become a millionaire, you just have to say I almost died And I floated and they see angels. This is all cultural nonsense. You will see Shiva Parvati floating they will see angels. This is all cultural stuff But memory will go on an overdrive for sure for everybody. Thank you, Satguru Next we would like to have rapid fire questions. We would like to have some short and sweet answers from you Okay, I was not sweet all this time. Sorry. Well First question. What is the best gift? What is the best gift? To give to somebody or to receive Oh clarity is the best gift to receive And the best to give also because once you have clarity you will see it is of highest value to you and You would love to have people around you also who have some clarity So even if you give clarity to other people, it is not a gift to them. It's a gift to yourself Because having people with some clarity around you is a greatest gift that you can have living in the world Biggest sorrow, I don't know because I've never had one and Can I make it a little dirty? Okay, because you wanted it sweet so on see What is a joy? What is a sorrow is completely your psychological drama? If you are the director of your psychological drama, would you want a joyful drama or a miserable drama? If you have left your drama uncontrolled Then so many things are happening and you think they're real Your sorrow and your joy both made up by you So if you're making it up consciously you enjoy tragedies, please enjoy. What's my problem? But Whether you go through misery or through joy, it's your psychological drama, isn't it? Your psychological drama should be conducted by you and you and only you nobody else But you must direct your psychological drama, isn't it? Other people may decide a few things that happen around us Nobody should decide what happens within me the moment somebody can decide what happens within you You are into our deep level of slavery waste of time Something that is waste of time Oh There is no waste of time Some people like to do a lot of things some people don't like to do anything but Both for action and inaction there is a consequence If they know the consequence and they're doing it I Bow down to them But if they don't know the consequence are they're doing nothing Then we have to pinch them a little bit Never miss Never miss dash Never miss life That's the only thing you can have and that the only thing you can miss The only thing you can have is life here. There's nothing else and the only thing you can miss also is life There is nothing else you can really have see right now. I drink water. I think I'm having water. No, I'm drinking life, isn't it? Having a conversation. This is life Either you can have life or miss life So don't miss life But that's all you got What is the toughest thing to do the first thing to do the first thing to do? You can make anything very tough for yourself Or you can do anything playfully if you if you become too serious about who you are Then everything becomes difficult if you carry yourself lightly Then everything is with ease There is nothing really tough or easy It is the way people experience it that something becomes very tough or something becomes a joyful process If you make light of yourself Life will never sit heavy upon your heart. It will be light But you think too much of yourself everything will become difficult Sitting standing somebody looked at you like this so much difficulty, isn't it? Somebody did not look at you so much difficulty This is because you have made yourself bigger than What you are you have ideas about yourself exaggerated ideas about yourself So this is the biggest problem with humanity. You're okay. It's not short enough See this cosmos in this vast cosmos This solar system is a speck in that speck Planet Earth is a micro speck in that micro speck Chennai is a super micro speck In that super micro speck IIT campus is a super super super micro speck in that you are a big man This is a serious problem It's a serious lack of perspective Now in this everything will become tough if you understand you're a microscopic nothing here Then it's very easy to pass through this life Whatever we can do we will do what we can do we will do what we cannot do we will not do that's all there is to life But Sadhguru have you never had a moment of proof of what remorse or sadness ever? I told you I direct my drama Once in a way if I like, you know, I I I used to Write scripts for in my college days I used to modernize Shakespearean drama for today with today's language Because most people wouldn't get Shakespearean language. So I would rewrite it but with modern language Doing our own wacky thing which Shakespeare so You if you want to enjoy your tragedy you can enjoy one But I have not allowed this I have I've kept the privilege of what happens within me to myself. I have not given this to anybody because of that What happens within me happens the way I want it What happens around me doesn't happen the way I want it most of the time people Wonderful people around me striving hard to make it happen the way Sadhguru wants But it doesn't happen that way Because what I want is always climbing notches if they do well, I'll climb up if they do better I'll climb up further. So it'll never happen Situations in my life will never happen the way I want it because I keep ramping it up all the time They're doing great things But I keep ramping it up. So always I'm disappointed with what's happening, but joyfully disappointed Thank you, Sadhguru. I'm sure many from the audience are looking forward to ask you some questions So with your permission, I would like to hand it over to the audience Hello, I have two clarifications from you First thing is India from time immemorial has been producing a lot of philosophers Social reformers like you. Then how can I say how can I evaluate you that you don't belong to Ram Rahim category? That's first question My second question is let me finish one. Pardon? Let me finish one question You don't like the answer just a question Because I may not get chance But Ram Rahim thing will finish it So You said India has produced many Philosophers and social reform reformers from time immemorial I think you've got it completely wrong on that note because India never produced Social reformers or philosophers Philosophy is one thing we always shunned This is a land that always Focused on nurturing human consciousness This is why we look like such a big chaos, but still we manage The entire world wonders how the hell does India function? Yes, we are like a swarm of beasts. We are going all over the place But still going in one direction Because in this land Nobody could ever give as a moral code Even when so-called divine entities came All they got was a debate Yes or no? When Shiva came his wife Parvati asked a thousand questions Entire Shiva Sutra is full of questions and questions and questions He can't give a commandment and say this is it He has to explain This is not a philosophy This is a seeking This has been always a land of seekers When Krishna came Arjuna his dearest friend how many questions Endless amount of questions Nobody could ever give a commandment or a moral code in this country Because here we believed the best thing is to stir up your humanity Not your morality By fixing a moral code Today it looks like everything is in order But tomorrow people will find a way to subvert the moral code and do their own thing anyway The best way to bring about a certain order in the society is To stir up one's humanity But if you give a moral code it's a one-day's job You can carve it on the rock and say this is it forever But if you want to stir up humanity You can't do it to a crowd You have to do one at a time, one at a time It's a lifelong commitment to people around you About I don't know what you know about That I don't know what to say about him But at the same time I want to tell you this This country has produced the most phenomenal sages Sages with incisiveness of mind and consciousness That if you come after ten thousand years Till it makes sense what they said many thousand years ago You are not looking at them Right now you have unfortunately come to a stage Where your idea of a sage is Ram Rahim Because you have a silly idea of secularism He exploited it with Ram Rahim Your idea of secularism is Amarak Akbar Anthony So he became Ram Rahim I don't know why he's not Robert also he did not add See this is what I said Today because a court has convicted him Everybody is standing up and saying This is the most evil man The first day I saw him on a news channel The obscenity of the aesthetics itself I said why is even a national news channel Showing this kind of thing Obviously if you pay money this whatever god business What is the movie on What he made one movie no No no he made a movie right Ram Rahim made a movie What is that Messenger of God When he made this movie Then only you should have known the moment you saw the man Now because the court has convicted all of you are doing this I said it the first day This is a joke being played upon our society You must stand up and say something But know all the news channels all the intellectuals Everybody clap their hand because they like the garish nature of what he's doing But today because the court has convicted they are saying You must go because first of all This is the thing When the court was to give a judgment Their people went about creating arson around the court Why are they doing this Because they believe And many times unfortunately it's worked this way That they can force the hand of law With violence or some force on the street That's the reason why they are doing it Similarly many news channels are also believing By creating a certain force of opinion They can force the hand of law This must stop If we want to become a law abiding nation Our opinion should not be bigger than the law Law should be the ultimate thing So here One thing is law Which is between you and me Because law is about how all of us can function together in the society But another thing is how I am within myself How I am within myself must happen by evoking my humanity Not by fixing morality on me But if you want to evoke humanity We need many people who are dedicated to that I think it was very beautifully put when Adi Shankara spoke about it He said, every one of you have tasted a mango But all of you have not planted a mango tree Because ten people planted mango trees Thousand people are eating mangoes The sweetness of mango they know So these people those ten people for every thousand Were there in the past Unfortunately they are missing So here we are at a kind of a flux in the society right now Where we have no morality And where we have nobody to stir up our consciousness Not enough at least So you are facing the kind of dilemma you are facing All kinds of people are cropping up and filling that space Just because you found one Ram Rahim Don't try to paint the entire clan black Because they don't belong to the same clan You must understand Every sage, every seer, every yogi who came He came absolutely as an individual Maybe he was spawned by a certain tradition But when he stood up he stood up on his own On his own clarity of perception Those scholars who quote scriptures and other things are different But every yogi, every mystic, every sage and seer who came Always stood on their own clarity And people who saw the clarity went to them Those who did not did not go to them How Ram Rahim things become popular It is like a cinema thing, okay It's like somebody becomes a star Simply because of some commercial movie or whatever they do And the same thing is unfortunately happening in this sphere of life also Because people are so stout out There is no sense anywhere They are trying to make sense out of something Because we don't have a moral code Because we don't have one book to follow And it's a great thing We don't have one book to follow or fight for But at the same time there is a big chasam in the country There is no morality and there is no consciousness If consciousness had been stirred up There is not a work to do If moral code has to be given it's very easy Ten things we can write down and say this is it Anyway nobody will follow it Outside they will pretend within themselves They do what they have to do So today it happens unfortunately I'm walking on the street Indian people They will say Show to their children and say See Santa Claus, okay What's happened to your brains You did not say see Agastimani You did not say see he looks like Vaishista You did not say he looks like this yogi or that yogi You say Santa Claus Because the British left 70 years ago But your brains went with them It's time you retrieved that One more clarification sir I'm proud to say that IIT Madras is the only organization IIT is in our country Which is offering spirituality and management I'm really proud of it Proud of this IIT And when the gentleman asked you a question That how to build up the courage I expected a straightforward answer from you But it gave something different That is courage If you work in tune with nature It will automatically get courage That type of spiritual answer I expected But it gave something different Can you explain please If I do only what you expect Why would I be needed here Right now daytime I'm asking the girls Daytime you're walking Either in the campus or in the Chennai streets Where you can see everything clearly There is clarity in your vision Do you need courage Night one o'clock in the morning You're walking back to the campus It's dark Now you need courage Why because there is no clarity That's all But doesn't that also depend upon what I'm seeing I am seeing but what if I'm seeing something that Even if you're not seeing anything The more you don't see The more fearful you become The more courage need for courage comes Isn't it? But if you're seeing things very clearly Total clarity of vision There is no need for courage Because clarity will carry you across It's my vision, my blessing For all the young people in this country That it is your clarity That carries you across in your life Not stupid courage or confidence Excuse me sir What is your belief of God What if I don't have one What is your belief of God I said what if I don't have a belief We should If you do a mistake What you will do I'll correct it If you are unable to correct If you are unable to correct I know some things can't be fixed I've learned that much with this much age There are certain things I can't fix sometimes Namaskaram Sadhguru You said intelligent people Do what they like And genius people do Just what is necessary But it's not always clear just what is necessary So how does one Or is enlightenment a prerequisite for If that is the case So how do we get out of the catch-22 situation That one is in Thank you Have you read catch-22 See in the movie at least No You're another generation In our generation there was literally Nobody who did not read catch-22 So anyway Let me not go into that That's a piece of literature that you must read Because in any situation If you allow yourself You can be confused in any situation In any situation If you willing You can bring some clarity That clarity may not be absolute But at least in a limited way You can bring clarity work through that And then see what is the next level So About Intelligence doing What they like I meant See if you're doing Even what you don't like This is a very unintelligent way of existence Isn't it Because right now if you sit here And doing something that you don't like Inevitably you're going to suffer Every moment of your life Is there anything more unintelligent That you have decided That every moment of your life should be misery So if you have some working intelligence Then you make sure You do the things that you like But if really if your intelligence flowers Beyond likes and dislikes I'm saying this Should I go into it technically How it can happen I thought you are not engineers You're only managers You've been through engineering Oh okay See there are four In English language when we say mind It's just one thing In yoga we look at human intelligence As sixteen parts These sixteen parts we can categorize As four segments These four segments are Buddhi, Ahankara, Manas and Chitta Buddhi means your intellect I'm going to ask you one question All of you must say yes or no I'm going to bless you with that Would you like your Buddhi or your intellect To be sharp or blunt So it is essentially a cutting instrument If you have a sharp intellect You can dissect everything that you see And kind of figure out what it is about Dissection is one way of learning about things If you give this flower To a scientist First thing is he will open it up And he will understand the structure of the flower And various aspects of the flower But one thing is He will miss the flower completely But with dissection we have understood And learned many many things So if I really want to know you I should dissect you You're not willing Even the frog that you dissected in high school It was not willing But you still dissected Because you thought it's a great education But the frog did not think so So dissection is one way of learning Your intellect As you said you want it sharp Because it's a scalpel That can cut through things And show you reveal certain things to you But if you want to put things together You need to sew something Suppose you want to stitch something And you still use a knife Now you will leave everything in tatters This is the main struggle of modern societies Because they're employing their intellect To handle everything in their life If you employ just your intellect To handle everything You will see every aspect of your life Will become a mess Because intellect is a specific tool To be used for a certain purpose There was a time You know when I was crisscrossing India On my motorcycle Just some fortune Because of this rally for rivers Once again I'm on the motorcycle In some of the cities Not in Chennai Because it's a very serious place So when I was crisscrossing On the motorcycle I never trusted any mechanic I always fixed my own engine My own things Because you're on the road And you want a reliable machine But sometimes You want a reliable mechanic somewhere There were some These days things have changed There were some mechanic shops He's actually running a professional place All he's got is a chisel and a hammer These are only two tools he has With this he opens everything And fixes everything Only thing is afterwards Nobody else can open it or close it Because he used his chisel and hammer On everything So this is like that right now Our modern education systems have become such That intellect is the only dimension Of intelligence that we're employing With this you can cut everything But you can't put things together You will not know life at all It looks like you know You know about it But you cannot know it You will not experience the beauty of being alive If you intellectually analyze everything You will see the parts of it You can cut it into million parts And you can cut this flower into million parts And know many things That a butterfly does not know But you do not know the joy Of sitting on the flower like a butterfly Or seeing the butterfly This flower or smelling the flower Or experiencing the flower As a piece of life That will not be there Because intellect is essentially a cutting instrument Behind this is what is called as a hankara Which usually unfortunately people think is ego It's not ego It's identity Your identity is your limitation Your identity decides how you intellect functions Right now let us say You identify yourself strongly I am a man Now the way you think Is always about your masculinity Now you say I am a woman Now your intellect functions Only to protect that identity Or you say I am an Indian Or a Pakistani or I am this or that Thousand different identities You cast, creed, this, that Rich, poor, all kinds Whatever you identify with Your intellect will only serve that identity You won't even know what you are doing You think you are doing the right thing Everybody thinks you are a fool But you think you are the right thing Because your identity Makes your intellect function that way So in this culture We evolve the thing That before we give education to a child First thing is We must bring a universal identity Aham brahmashmi, we taught them This means a cosmic identity Because before Empowering somebody with education And knowledge They must have as large an identity As possible Because small identities are the basis Of all evil and all crime See I want you to understand this If suppose I will take the worst example Because I am always known to take these risks Let's take the worst example Adolf Hitler Suppose Adolf Hitler Instead of having a limited identity Had a global identity What a fantastic leader he would have been Yes or no? You don't want to say yes because you are scared I want you to look at this It is the limited identity Which is making that man do such horrendous things Every crime, every tyrant Every nonsense that we have done on this planet Is a consequence of limited identity Isn't it? I am Indian, you are Pakistani That's why even if I don't know you I can kill you I don't know a thing about you But I want you dead for some reason Because my identity is like this So it is this identity Different levels of identity That the more limited our identity More tyrannical our actions are Man as efficient as Adolf Hitler If he had an identity with the whole humanity What a great leader we would have had But his identity is limited And see what horrendous thing his efficiency did Yes or no? I wish we had leaders Who had that level of efficiency But with a larger identity It's a very risky thing to say But I am saying this Because we must understand What you think is evil Is seeping out of your limited identification All that's evil All that's crime on this planet Is a consequence of limited identification That's all it is So this identity has not been worked at all In this so-called modern societies In ancient societies in this country We always worked on the identity of the person first Before we empowered them with education A cosmic identity you must have So that your intellect does not work against somebody Your intelligence should not become A detrimental factor in the world That's important isn't it? Right now you just see The highest level of science and technology What is it used for? The first use is always military use Isn't it? Why? Because of limited identity So before empowering a child With education and knowledge The thing is we must fix his ahankara What kind of ahankara he has Which we have not done For which we are paying a price As humanity gets more and more empowered With technology you will see More and more pain will create to each other Because limited identification The next dimension of intelligence Is referred to as manas Manas means It is a silo of memory This is what we were talking some time ago Eight forms of memory are there in this And I will not go into it once again But your intellect is absolutely useless If it is not connected to the memory If I wipe out your memory Even if you have a very sharp intellect There is nothing you can do isn't it? It's only empowered by this memory And the type of identity that you have Will connect you to the memory In a particular way If your identity is universal It will connect you to the memory in one way If your identity is limited It will connect you to the memory In a completely different way The same memory will function In a completely different way And find action in a totally different dimension Simply because identity is different These are three dimensions of intelligence Which normally in function for most people The fourth dimension of intelligence Is referred to as chitta Chitta means It's a dimension of intelligence Which is not unsolid By memory There is no iota of memory in this It's pure intelligence If you touch this dimension of intelligence In the yogic culture Very mischievously it is said like this If you touch your chitta God will become your slave Everything works for you You can play with life But life will work for you The source of life will work for you Because you have touched the dimension of intelligence Which is beyond memory Why is it important Is your individuality comes Only because of your limited memory So in yogic culture We have always been taught To identify with our ignorance Never with our knowledge If you Whatever amount of knowledge you have gathered It is very limited Compared to this cosmic space Isn't it? What is there in this creation It doesn't matter what kind of a manager you are What kind of an engineer you are What you know is very miniscule But your ignorance is boundless If you identify with your ignorance You will never go against anybody If you identify with your knowledge If I have a different kind of knowledge You will be naturally against me But you are identified with your ignorance You are never against anybody And it's a boundless space Is your ignorance limited? It's limitless, isn't it? But is your knowledge limited? Doesn't matter if you read all the libraries on the planet You are still a very limited knowledge So the way we are employing human intelligence is If there were four wheels in a car You drive only on one wheel This is going to be very stressful And nobody can be with you This is why more intellectual you get The more you can't get along with anybody It's happening And the more intellectual you get Not intelligent The more intellectual you get The longer your face becomes You can't smile Smile is a big effort I was speaking to a group of people At the Princeton University There were 250 people And they were all Only three, four lively faces were there Then I looked at them and said What's happened to all of you? All these people over thirty years of age Why are they carrying such long faces? One lady stood up and said They're all married I thought people are getting married To multiply their joy If they're getting married To multiply their misery There has to be a law against it Then I have to rally for Yes, some of the girls never got a chance Please Sadguru, you told about clarity From the literature of self-help Everyone talks about self-belief But in a small amount of time After some period That self-belief turns to ignorance So how do we develop Conscious self-belief Through any process? Okay That question is a little You said Self-belief leads to ignorance But then you're asking again How to develop self-belief Self-belief is on a longer period Without consciousness It converts to ignorance Because we feel blind and Are you for real? Are you real, I'm asking Subjective, sir, yes I'm asking do you exist? Yes No doubt about it Only problem is You do not know the nature of your existence If you had doubt about your existence itself That is a different level of problem Okay, that's a different thing But now you know that you exist Only thing is you do not know the nature of your existence Please sit down And For a long time People have been saying I believe in God But from there we have descended to a place I believe in myself Believing in anything is bad enough Believing in yourself is a total disaster Because You must understand the word belief It's all connected to this Courage, confidence, stuff See How many of you believe How many of you believe That you have two hands All such people just raise one hand, please One will do, one will do, one will do Okay Do you believe that you have two hands Or do you know that you have two hands You know that you have two hands, isn't it Suppose somebody starts an overwhelming argument With you that you have no hands And if their argument becomes too overwhelming One slap in the face He knows you got hands But You believe in God, you believe in something else So many other things you believe Why Because you're still not straight enough To admit what I do not know As I do not know I do not know is a tremendous possibility Only when you see I do not know The possibility of knowing And the seeking towards that knowing And the pursuit of wanting to know Will begin to happen within you And the possibility of knowing can become realized One day if your pursuit is right But everything that you do not know You believe You can call this belief Or you can just call it bullshit Okay Because you're making up things People do not know What the hell is happening within themselves Around themselves But they know the entire geography of heaven I don't understand if they know it The place so well and it's so fantastic Why they are not gone Yes See they are always talking about a fantastic place Elsewhere Are they waiting here No no Because when it comes to real things They know it's all bullshit But on a daily basis they carry it on Can you All of you young people Can you come to this level of sincerity What I know I know What I do not know I do not know Can you do this to yourself If you can't be straight with anybody else At least this With this one person Be absolutely straight In the face of in a huge way Life will pay you In a very huge way Because you're simply absolutely straight With yourself About what kind of professions you will take I don't know how many things you have to do With other people I will leave that to you But at least with this one person You must be absolutely absolutely straight If this one thing you do You will see Life will give you dividends That other people have not dreamt of Those people do not know what is integrity They're innocent of integrity Because they go on doing this All the time What they know they know What they do not know they believe Why don't you see what I know I know What I do not know I do not know Is this okay Hello Hello Now not only believing what is up there Now what is inside you better know What is inside why do you believe this Thing about I believe in myself This is very American stuff I believe in myself Why should you believe in yourself You should know yourself isn't it Hello We will take one last question Good evening sir So my question is Where are you ma'am Sir What do you think of The proximity that religion And good work or good faith Have in our country In the sense that if someone turns up At my parents place for example And he affiliates himself With the religious organization Rather than just a normal Secular or nameless organization My parents are more likely To give him money for charity Or whatever if he belongs to that And secondly Do you think this has something to do With our tendency to not question Authority figures as a whole Is ever since I've been a child I've been told to keep my voice down Or to keep quiet when I question something Or question an authority figure Sir You must first of all understand A question A question is essentially a tool To dig deeper To know something That's why we question So you must look into yourself And see because I don't know What's the situation You must look into yourself And see Are you asking a question to know Or is your question a way of Making a commentary on somebody else This is something you must be clear about As far as I'm concerned A question is a tool To dig deeper and know something More than what we know right now If you want to make a comment Make a comment Why are you making a comment In the form of a question Of a question will go away A question is a tremendous thing To come up with the right question It will take a lot of intelligence Yes To come up with the right question Which will take you to the next step of your life Takes a certain amount of consideration So do not sully the question Questioning should not be seen as arrogance Questioning is seen as arrogance Because people are using questions To make comments So within yourself you clear that If your question is a genuine question You must definitely ask the question Because a question Is a progress that humanity makes This is why I said All the scriptures in this culture Are full of questions No commandments You must see the kind of questions Parvati is asking Shiva Endless amount of questions Even today in 21st century Most wives would not dare That Yes That is the kind of questioning she is doing Because this is a genuine question She is asking because she wants to know She is not asking because she wants to comment about him She is asking because she genuinely wants to know And he sees that, honors that, respects that And answers every question to the best possible way And certain questions which cannot be answered verbally He puts her into a process of experience So I do not know who comes to your home And what is the situation But just because you said Why can't we be normal and secular Who said secular is normal Let's understand the word secular Secular means Everybody has the right to do what they want And we respect that Secular does not mean You give up everything that belongs to this culture And do what the English did And we think we are secular No, I want you to understand I want you to understand Even today in United States of America Or UK From where we think we imported our democracy Even today without taking the name of their god Whatever god they believe in Nothing is done President takes oath in the name of God Not in India, in India we take oath In the name of the constitution And this is the incident that happened That Advani ji shared in public He was saying When he was just an MP And all the MPs were invited to UK And one of the events was A dinner with the Queen Advani ji was sitting next to Siddharth Shankar Ray Who is no more I think And everybody has assembled Queen is sat down The Prime Minister is sitting down Dinner is served but everybody is waiting So Siddharth Shankar Ray is hungry He asks Advani What's happening, what are we waiting for Queen is here, Prime Minister is here Why don't we eat So Advani told him This is not India This is UK The priest has to come and bless the food Till then you can't eat it I'm saying We are misunderstanding secularism No Secularism does not mean that Secularism means We respect everybody's way of life We don't think our way is superior to somebody else's ways But We choose a certain way because We think it's better But if somebody has to prove that it's better We are always willing to debate endlessly There is an entire culture in Tamil Nadu Where Tamil Nadu's population And especially the king shifted from Buddhism to Jainism Jainism to Shaivism Shaivism to Jainism Again back to Shaivism Depending upon the sages of the time They sat down and debated In the debate If the Jains convinced That this is the way Best way to do it This will lead to better life They all converted And next another generation Another sage came And that sage proved The best way to do it Everybody converted back to that I think this is fantastic This is what should happen What really makes sense today We should all do that If somebody shows us better since tomorrow We will do that Why are we stuck with this or that Because you fixed your identity That's the whole thing, isn't it If your identity was not fixed You would always be looking for What is most sensible So just because In a particular way They belong to a certain creed Or whatever What you should do is You should listen Do they make sense or don't make sense Even if they don't make sense to you Maybe they are making sense In a way that you don't understand So that is when you must ask questions Questions Not to denigrate them Questions because you are longing To know what is the truth If you are clear That your only goal is That you want to know the truth about life You want to constantly move From confusion to clarity If this is very, very clear to you This is all you intend to do You are not interested Whether somebody is right or wrong You want to constantly move To higher and higher levels of clarity And truth within yourself Then you can question anybody you want You can ask me questions, no problem Yes, sir Actually I want to know What is the duration of human birth cycle? What is that? Duration of human birth cycle And how does it affect the Next birth The good karma and bad karma How this all records the bad karma And good karma Where are you? Because somebody announced that was the last question Sorry for that No, no, no, please Duration of human birth cycle And how it does affect the next birth Like people say the good karma Will affect the next birth And bad karma will affect the next birth However, it all records that Bad karma and good karma And like you gave the example of a kid Like in starting itself The baby should Baby have the ego kind of thing Right? So how it can happen Without teaching the ego this thing Like that Let's understand this word karma Karma means action Is it true as you sit here Your physical body is doing some action You must say yes or no Yes Hello? Is it true Your mental action also is happening Yes Some level of emotional action also happening Some level of energy also in activity So there are four dimensions of karma That you're performing every moment of your life Both in wakefulness and sleep Four dimensions of karma are functioning Now depending on what type of karma You're performing right now Karma need not necessarily mean You have to go and do something You're sitting here What kind of thought process you have Does it not determine How your evening will be Forget about next life Is it true today how you thought And what kind of emotions you went through Will affect how you are tomorrow Will it or will it not It will So your karma won't wait till next lifetime You're assuming too many things That you will have one more life Without assumptions if you look at it Every action that we do The residual impact of that Remains within us Or in other words When you perform Physical, mental, emotional And energy activity You are unconsciously building a software of your own This both helps you and restricts you On one level Because of certain type of thought And emotion and activity You become geared to be able To do certain type of activity effortlessly At the same time That also becomes your limitation So every karma that you perform Let's understand the word karma Karma means action Nobody can live here without action The moment you are born Action has begun, isn't it Till you fall dead Action is on, on and on Either conscious action or unconscious action Is the only question But action is always on From today morning Since you woke up till this moment How much of your Mental karma Are you conscious about Believe me it's well below one percent So when ninety-nine percent of the karma Is unconscious Obviously you think life is accidental If you enhance the conscious karma From one percent to let's say three percent Suddenly you feel Like you've been liberated Because so many things are Absolutely clear within you So what you need to strive for Is not worry about what will happen To you in your next life Whether there's the next life or not Is just your belief The reality is right now you're alive And the quality of your life Is essentially decided by these four karmas What kind of thought, what kind of emotion What kind of physical action, what kind of energy action Is it not determining the quality of your life Hello? Yes So your karma is taking effect right now Not in next life Right now it is taking effect You are an engineer means what? That is the karma you performed five years You did karma, now you have it Some people did not bother with the karma They are not, they are something else So When you were sitting and doing the bad karma Of studying for your examination Somebody who was partying Thought you were stupid Yes But after ten, twenty years Life shows up in a completely different way People will realize, oh I did the wrong karma Now I should do the right karma He did the right karma, so he got this I am saying if you are conscious If you are conscious Of how your thought should be How your emotion should be How your action should be This is not by some moral code This is by the fundamental intrinsic nature Of the human being This is what I am saying is the difference Between morality and consciousness Not because somebody told you How shall not kill this person I am not killing him right now It never occurred to me that I have to kill him Such, such teachings are not relevant to me Because it never occurred to me That I have to rob what she is wearing That I have to kill this man Or I have to do something else to this person This never occurred to me Because I kept my human Humanity up all the time If you let your humanity sleep Your memory sinks back into your revolutionary levels And you start behaving like a beast But unfortunately With an excessive intelligence for a beast If you had the same intelligence That a snake has Or a crocodile has You wouldn't be so dangerous You are okay, we know how to deal with you But the problem is With this level of intelligence Which evolution has given you Now if you sink back To the level of unconsciousness That a crocodile is You have become so snapped Now you become Quite a terrible possibility So because evolution has pushed you up It is time that you consciously keep yourself Higher than your intelligence You understand You must keep yourself above your intelligence When you keep yourself above your intellect Or your buddhi Then we say you are a buddha That means You have become a dhada to your buddhi That means you are above your buddhi That means you have become a master Of your intelligence Only if you are a master of your intelligence Your intelligence will work for you Otherwise It could very easily work against you When I say it works against you You are You are experiencing a little bit of stress Right now This means your intelligence is working against you You are experiencing depression Your intelligence is working against you You are experiencing fear Your intelligence is working against you It is because of your intelligence You are creating these things If I took away half your brain You won't have stress You won't have fear You won't have nothing So the problem is your brain If we take away your brain You will be fine Absolutely peaceful Isn't it so? But that's not a solution That is not a solution So you have already evolved The level of intellect The only way this intellect will function For your well-being And everybody's well-being is You must be above that If you really become above that They say you are a buddha If you are in it You are a non-stop suffering human being Whatever happens you will suffer Whatever does not happen you will suffer If you are below that Not too many problems But then we call you a buddhu Thank you very much I would now request Director Professor Dr Bhaskar Dhamma Murthy To felicitate our Chief guest for the evening Thank you sir I would also request Professor Dr A. Thillai Rajan Professor Dr. Jee Shrinivasan and the Mills Committee members to please come up on the stage Take just a minute to tell them about the rally The rally for rivers as you know already it's been held since last month in India and there's a lot of the information As you know, already it's been happening and tomorrow morning we will be driving out of Tamil Nadu. Why this rally is, we must understand this, that river is a concurrent subject in this country. That means the center and the state have to work together. When I was in Puducherry, the chief minister who was with us said, Sadhguru, almost exactly the same plan we had 25 years ago when I was in the Rajiv Gandhi government. But we could never get the concurrence of the remaining states so it did not happen. So I told him, see, 25 years ago if you had done this, we wouldn't be where we are today. And we could have done it with ten percent of the effort that we are putting in right now to make this happen. But now, fortunately it is so that all the sixteen states, different political spectrum, people from different political parties, all of them are participating in the rally, which is a tremendous thing for the country for the first time there is concurrence. The next, the next challenge is, even if we aggressively implement this policy, it will take ten to fifteen years of implementation and it needs enormous financial outlets and there are many complexities in execution. And if we implement this in fifteen years time, it will take another five to ten years before we can see at least fifteen to twenty percent rise in the river flows. So this is a policy which is definitely not an election-winning policy. That is, no political party is too eager to make this, because it's not something that will produce results immediately. Twenty-five years means four to five governments have come and gone. Many of the leaders who are today may not exist in twenty-five years time. But to make a policy like that, it's important the people of this nation have to express that we have matured. We are not looking for freebies. If you do a policy which is for the long-term well-being of this nation and future generations, even if we have to go through a little bit of pain ourselves, we are willing to stand with you. If we do not make this statement in a big way, no democratically elected government will go for a policy which has so many complexities in implementation and a huge financial outlay and the results will come after twenty-five years. These things have not been done before. It is the responsibility of this generation that we make this happen. I want thirty crore people to give this missed call, because thirty crore is forty percent of the electorate. If forty percent of the electorate gives a clear yes that this is what we want, no government can refuse. Please all young people use your phones, use your social media to make this happen, because if we don't do this one thing, believe me, I don't know how much you know about it. You can easily go on the net and read these things. The water situation in India is very dire. In Tamil Nadu, when we say river, generally people think only Cauvery, even that Cauvery, out of eight hundred and odd kilometers that it actually runs from Karnataka, only four hundred and thirty kilometers is in Tamil Nadu. This summer, for three and a half months, for three and a half months, the Cauvery dried up hundred and seventy kilometers inland. Okay, out of four hundred and thirty kilometers, one seventy kilometers it was bone dry. I want you to just make your own calculations, how long does it take before it doesn't enter Tamil Nadu. This isn't happening, not just to one river. My engagement with mountains, forests and rivers is right from my childhood. Last twenty-five years I've been watching with concern, the way the water levels are depleting. We have only twenty percent of the per capita water we had in 1947. And by twenty-twenty-five they say we'll have only seven percent, particularly Tamil, the particularly Chennai, you must see this. Really we have to watch out. You are living in a beautiful campus, the rest of the city is not like this. So, when you live in a beautiful place and the rest of the people live in a horrendous place, you are at danger. It is, it is not long before villages which lose complete water, there are many villages which have been vacated. When they vacate the next thing is they may come and sit in IIT campus. Don't think police will be able to handle it. If they come in thousands, you cannot do anything. And I am just talking about the civil strife that may happen in the country due to water shortage. Particularly in the last seven, eight years I'm noticing the, the drop is so steep. It is super alarming the way the water levels are dropping. And there are many, many facts that you can, you are young people you can find out for yourself. But this is the time for us that we must stand up and make a clear statement as citizenry of this nation we have matured. We are ready for long-term policies. We are not waiting for freebies. Thank you very much. Kindly if you could, everybody could pull their cell phones out. And I will read out a number which Sadhguru just mentioned. And we will have thousand, maybe two thousand missed calls at one time. So please, can we all do it together? Is everybody ready? So the number is eight triple zero nine. Again, eight triple zero nine. So the number is eight triple zero nine, eight triple zero nine. And just give a missed call please.