 it doesn't make a lot of sense. And that's the big thing right there, the personification. I know I'm continuing to go over that and over that, because tell you the truth, there's some people I'd like to personify. I'd like them to be real. So it's a matter of really seeing that all bodies are projection of my mind, behaviors are projection of my mind. So those bodies we want to hang onto, as special, are just projections of our mind. We already have them in our mind. But that's it. That's a toughy tool. Well, are you for-consuming of the time you died that you felt impressed and fair, as though it was something... It wasn't everything that you experienced there. Image or persona? Well, it wasn't an image or a persona. It was just like a pervasive presence. But even that, it was just a symbol. It was my mind using a symbol that was meaningful to me at the time. And it wasn't Tom. It was a person, Tom. But it was just his presence. Even the thing about you mentioned like feeling a presence on your shoulders, that would be a symbol. Like when some people see the Virgin Mary or the Madonna up here, or feeling it like being... Something we understand. But if we're all one mind, why wouldn't you feel that presence? All the time. And see, that's the thing. Again, that's why it's symbolic. It was nothing about Tom's body dying that made his presence available to me. That wouldn't make a bit of sense. And it doesn't make any sense to me. So again, it was just symbolic for me because I had always had this belief and ideas about what death of the body meant. And so for me, it was just a... I think what it symbolized for me was a much more expansive view. It was like pulling it way back and looking at it from a whole other realm of what was going on. But it was still symbolic. Did you feel, and so... Okay, his mind was somewhere. I felt his mind was me. And then I felt it. That was his presence. And then it was a separation between his mind and his... Yeah. His mind felt in my mind, I guess, is how I could say it. Because I felt like there was that with everybody, you know? Yes. Absolutely. Or not died. You know, that was... And that's the joy you experience when you say this is tomorrow, when you feel that connectedness and don't feel any separation with another mind. Yes. I mean, that's what I got. There are no separate minds. Yeah. It's just mind. And, you know... Too, about that experience you had with what seemed to be Jesus, that one night where you were good, indescribable. It felt like you were going to just explode with joy and everything. And it could seem very... So even the light episodes, and you probably said this, I don't remember when we were talking about it just before, or talked about in less than 15. That too is symbolic. Yeah. Again, anything that involves perception is symbolic. There's a passage in it that I have been reading in it, and I was thinking about this last night when we watched the movie when I would react, you know, to the beating and the death. And it's the fourth obstacle to peace, the fear of God. And it's on page 391 in the Old Text. It's on the obstacle to peace section, the fourth obstacle. Okay, it's chapter 19, and it's section four, and within that section, it's under which one? The attractor, the fourth obstacle to fear of God. And it says, what would you see without the fear of death? What would you feel and think if death held no attraction for you? Very simply. You would remember your father, the creator of life, the source of everything that lives, the father of the universe and the universe of universes, and of everything that lies even beyond them, would you remember? And as this memory rises in your mind, peace must still surmount a final obstacle, after which is salvation completed, and the Son of God entirely restored to sanity. For here your world does end. And it goes on to say that it's the fourth obstacle to be surmounted, hangs like a heavy veil before the face of Christ. Yet as his face rises beyond it, shining with joy, because he is in his father's love, peace will lightly brush the veil aside, and run to meet him and to join with him at last. For this dark veil, he seems to make the face of Christ himself like to a leper. And the bright rays of his father's love that like his face with glory appears, streams of blood, fades in the blazing light beyond it when the fear of death is gone. And this is the darkest veil upheld by the belief in death and protected by its attraction. What I would, that hit me because I was thinking about how this movie last night, the reaction would come from a fear of death. The reaction to any fear, ultimately is a fear of loss of some kind, and the ultimate loss of the fear of death.