 Mike What are the murmurings or otherwise about whether there is a serious any numbers backing for a cunnathal Hiç- kal Prestu I mean November. What is it they call it October is the processo of couples Or is it November? Is to you got any kind of grounds at the moment to even be agitating Or is the matter pretty much resolved The matters resolved for the moment But there will be minor rumblings So they won't be terribly happy with the pole haza'n down, reili, within the margin of error. I actually think Shira's got a big challenge just ahead of him, and I'll be very interested to sit and watch this, and that will be his speech to the Labour Party conference, which I think is in a fortnight's time, might be a week. Got to remember that when they had those meetings of activists after Phil Goff indicated he was going, they came down fairly heavily in favour of David Cunliffe. So since when, Shira has been around the party organisations and done a selling job, and I've seen it and I think it was effective. So let's just have a good look at the speech, and everyone else within the party structure will be looking very hard at that speech.