 Let's get to the topic. Asi jitwanze kwa shalodi. Who is a parasite here? Is it a chick oge? It depends on who and what position does one have in the relationship. Because sometimes you get the guy could be waki and the chick is not waki. In some cases the chick is not waki but can still provide for herself. Asi jitwanze kwa shalodi, nisawa, but I have a question and I promise that this brother, especially a young man, cases are quite many. To miskiha, angine, wanaka angine, asi jiyu api, o, nini, kesho. So who are the most affected? The affected here are the guys because girls tend to take a lot from them. Thank you. And you know, for my fellow chicks it's okay to say no to fair. It's okay to say no to the shopping and stuff. If still you can get it for yourself. And to the guys, it's still okay to say baby you can have this. You know, sometimes most of us cannot go ahead and ask. Do you think men are ready to solve their pride and say let me take it? No. Let me now get to now bring in Ken. Do you think men are really ready to solve their pride and say later? Okay, I would say in our situation, in the school that we are living in, when a man provides to a lady, it's normal. But when the reverse happens, when the lady provides, it looks ambiguous. It looks ambiguous. Okay, some men can do, they can solve their pride so that they can't provide. But it depends. Can you? Can you with Ken? I cannot. I can't but with the reservations. On this point, you know, when a lady provides, Muso, when she does that and shares the same stuff that she does in the house with her friends, they tend to discuss you. So you become the topic of the day. Wherever they see it, they say, oh, if you pass around and say, oh, you jamazi, how can he be working around bragging and the girl provides everything. So you know, for a man, you have to come out. So we have courage to talk, even for men. Yeah, there is a lot of it. Would you accept a guy to be feeding you all the time? No, definitely no. It's a definitely no. Why? Definitely no. Because as you can see, I'm capable. I'm not disabled, even the disabled guys, they can still work and get the bread. So why should they? As he goes out to look for it, why should they give it to him? You have never? Don't go quietly. I have. You see now. I have but after an argument, I should not take this and you know, I've already given. There's no way you can reject that. And you know, blessed is the giver. So you've seen how we're bringing it in. Anyway, let's bring in Xavier. Xavier, what do you think? Who is the most affected here? This is the problem between the traditional woman and the modern woman. That is kind of realistic. I feel the modern woman is more empowered. So I see no wrong if she wants to provide for the... Can you accept money from a chick? Yes, I can. If she's able, why not? Can you accept money from a chick? Yes. There's no money. It's the reality on the ground. Okay, Xavier. You're seated in the house doing nothing. Then your wife is working day and night just to feed you. You'll be chopid. I'm also feeding her at night. You have a lot of resources. The boy child is using a lot of resources. And also at the same time, it's a challenge. If the lady is able to provide for the guy, believe most guys, they won't just sit there. They'll always try to also come out of that box and end up at Jari Bupiao. But sometimes it's also luck. The guy keeps on trying to look for work. He keeps on trying to look for... Also to please the lady. But the situation... So there's no way if you're in a relationship and the lady is providing and then you want to walk out of the relationship because you're the one who is providing. It shouldn't be like that. Sometimes it's luck. Who should be taking from who? It's obvious the guy should provide. But at the same time... Then here you are saying, Xavier, you'll be taking just for the sake of like, let me just do this. What about if I come from a family where the lady has all the networks, has all the finance. Also on my side, I have passed through the education in me, Peter is om tianizote. I've been successful, but I can't find work. Will you say that? So for you to be fed with a woman is it okay? It's okay. I can only force the situation. I can only try to change the situation, but it's okay. But also at the same time, can you provide and also open business for me? Can you do that? Of course. If I love him, I can go ahead and do it. Because I don't want him to get... I want him to feel that he's doing something, he's part of it. Don't women feel a bit insecure when they're feeding women? No, not at all. If I love him, not at all. I think I'd just like to say something about the point he made saying that it's obvious that a man should provide. I think it's not true, it's not obvious. It shouldn't be obvious. In a relationship everybody should bring something on the table for it to work out perfectly. It cannot be obvious that I am the one to provide. Either way, you know when you are dating you come with something I bring something, we sit on the table we discuss. We say you brought 50, we share or you brought 30, you brought 7, we share. Just hold it. So it should not be a case where the girl expects that I bring everything. For the interest of development all of us should provide. Family development? Actually. To prove what he is saying is very wrong is that just give it a try today. Go to your house if you are having a girlfriend. Go there by six and your girlfriend will be there by six. There is no day a lady will always go outside the house kwa na kuna kwa kula na kwa apu. Atakuitisha pesa, kwanza matangu jumpe pesa. It is obvious the man has to provide. Kikiya na kia na mimashon kwa na kwa kutansana kila kichu kikumaza Is that really happening today? More than women can't do that. We do. It's a question of interest because most people don't. And if you do people have another side bank account. Ben it's up to them. Ya, we do because it's for the benefit of the two of us. So as Ken has said we share the cost. That at the end of the day It will be like kila mutuata jua. I'm at the moment you guys start arguing. You'll always be like, I've done this, I've done this, I've done this. Different from a guy, if a guy is providing the guy will always mention, I've done this, I've done this. Guys, you don't mention? They won't mention. Now my problem is only with the ladies. Atasama ni mefanei, ni mefanei. Ueskululuku me broke, ni kakusei yei pesa. You see, now it makes it very toxic sometimes. That's why men sometimes don't want to accept help from a lady. Can you hear something to say before you even ask the next question? I think what she said about my man is my man. I mean, our man is our man. It depends on how somebody or not somebody but a lady. It depends on how a lady was brought up. Because you know there's some set up in situations where somebody has been brought up in a family where they... I mean, the parents lived in a wrangol life together. They quarreled over money stuff. So the girl coming up knowing that, if I have something, it is mine. But in the modern life, I think it will be wise enough if the modern woman transforms from that mentality and start living a life that if it's a family, for instance, a marriage, if the wife pays for rent, the husband gets us for the fees. If the wife brings food, the husband pays for the bills. At least in that way you can have a peaceful life and the background remains. Are men ready to do that? Ya, we are ready to do these things. You even pulling the please? We are ready to do these things. We are out here ready to do these things. Out here sing over. Sing to starting. Definitely, we are here ready. Okay, with the issue of what you have mentioned, who lives who when their life is broke? Do you think men live tricks when they are broke? Ya, it happens. When it happens that the family goes broke, any party can move. It depends on how you feel. Who does the most? But in most cases the lady moves. Because you find if I have a girl and she is living in her house and I am living in my own house, then we decide to live together. In most cases she will come. So if things goes worse, she is the one to move. Because she found me in this house. Ya, actually that's how it happened. But if I go there and help broke, then I have to move. How true is that? It's not true because the girls tend to move out, but it depends. The thing here is about love. If I love you in broke place, you can't say that you love to sustain. You can't say that you love to sustain. You can't say that you love to sustain. You can't say that you love to eat. You can't say that you love to live. Actually what she is saying, I think that's her stand. That's her stand. An individual stand. But ladies out here cannot tolerate that nonsense of you having nothing and you stay there for the interest of love. No, because let me tell you there are people who are looking into that relationship just checking on the weakness. So that they can use that weakness to sustain their sight in the manner in which if let's say the girl says we are not having food. We are lacking this and this. Why can't you? Why must you be there? Come, I'll provide. That's your friend telling your girl. In the name of love. And the girl is telling you that I will be here for the interest of love. You cannot eat love. So love is not just there. Actually it's not everything. Okay, so have you to go that love is not everything? No, it is everything. I've never understood this word love but it's okay. Before you go please, please explain for him. What is love? Love is when you come to understand someone, value the person, show your interest in and agree to be one and agree to move together. Are we together at home? Do you feel those things can happen in a relationship? Ya. No, not just relationship but can they happen today? Actually now. All those packages you said cannot happen. Okay, those packages cannot be found in an individual. They cannot understand somebody accepting to be one or all that stuff. It's because it's because there are two things here. Right now it's not love, it's lust. So when you hear it's not one package the whole package is not lust. You agree there is no lust. So you love me lust. So which one is dominating currently? Lust. For me I feel in a relationship passion has to be there. It's passion, the ambition, the mission. I think those are the things that hold a relationship. It's not love. I think our parents have been in marriages not because of love because maybe they take care of each other maybe the ambition of the children that they have seen they have kids they have to take. I think it's not about love. Also I feel men walk out of relationships when they are broke. Personally I do that. I don't want to take care of a nice lady who hasn't done anything for me and I'm broke. So I always walk out of the relationship for me. So I think men do that a lot not the ladies. The ladies will tend to always click there when something coming to change. Just to strengthen the point that he has said of people being in marriage because they can provide for each other. It is true. It is very true that not everybody not all people are married they are married because of love. Some of these marriages are just moving on because somebody is able to provide. Let's even talk about let's even exit the marriage issue let's talk even about relationships just to happen to but do you think class is the epitome of everything? Very true. Today most of us men tend to mostly in campus in campus we have numerous a lot of them. So when I go I meet a girl we bond we do what we want to do and then tomorrow I meet a girl that I feel is better than her there is no love we have to hit and move so it's last after only last is dominio nearly everything. When we are talking even about what she mentioned last and love, let's exit from the kakuna of love last thing and not talk about the issue that we have. We also come to kuka, to kuako because they are gaining something not really because they are in love with you because there is something there is something usually you want. Like, everything she knows I want something from this guy I want either money or something else different from what I know. But at the same time I won't say that is bad for me I think that is very okay because when I'm looking for a lady for me it's very okay some will say it's toxic but it's very okay because I want the best for me and also the best for us so when I'm looking for a lady kwao at least kuakuna pesa amesoma atakama sina I want all that good stuff so there is no way you will tell me where you want to take advantage it is all about taking advantage of the situation at politicians they are taking advantage of the situation at hand it's normal everywhere Zang how true is that do you take advantage of the situation? No and by the way for such people I pray God to open the eyes for the other partner and just be smart enough and walk away from such people because they are dragging you if I only want to gain from you and you not gaining from me it's not smart just be smart enough and walk away from the person and if it's the lady or the guy I think you should have a second thought and think that this thing as you agreed it should be mutual that when I walk out and say this to somebody I won't be ashamed and is that really what is on the ground? when I pick a word she is talking about smartness let me pick that word smart if I was dating you and as I said you come from a fellow family I can get work from dating you but you don't know my mission is just to date you so that you can help me rise there maybe I can be a better person or a better man maybe after that gaining all that gaining the work gaining the finance maybe I am able to date her now in a nice way in an open relationship without even now taking advantage so I have to take advantage first then take care of myself then come maybe and decide so everything is growing up and maturing either of it is what it is asimani take advantage kwanza akunaveni uta shoot to openly it can't happen is it all a question about money means to money and everything is all about it if you have money that's when you will find love there is no way you can find love without money very true and in fact this mentality or thinking of if you don't have money you cannot find love it has been brought in by our ladies to be true because you cannot go out there and just meet a girl and they are like host they are love you know she will look at you and judge you by the way you look in fact the outlook and from your outlook she will decide she will make her decision whether you can provide you cannot so if you cannot provide she will not give in now looking at you can you provide or rather son can he look like he can provide cannot your answer should be yes but see she is thinking and she was talking about love no okay it's about love the first thing I just need to know your intentions you know what you don't know here what intentions the guy has in you if I know it's love you are after love you know it's very okay he is stressing out let's go first date we can have it in Alastron if I find you he cannot at that moment I won't stress him because we are after love here so there is no need of making him bring out something he can't so we are okay your first date coming to my house if I am not able okay thank you very much for that now let's talk about you or rather the chick going to a guy's place Mushawamuezi everything is on the table everything is provided personally I don't replay takes what do you mean there is no intention it's normal 25 to 30 what is the text can but why must she come Mushawamuezi at that time if she has been coming all through it's okay but if she has been away and Mushawamuezi appear then we have to discuss that you know even some things defilaries don't come at the end of the month some things you know you know so what do you think have you ever done that personally I've never I've never done it so because why should I go feed on something I didn't work for it I also have my ways as you have your ways I have my ways I have my ways we cannot ask about her ways but Ken has a way of looking at her but you know that's a stand you're maintaining still that we're like a stand a representative stand it's a representative stand you're representing many young ladies out there because as I talk to someone somewhere else or as I've communicated with my fellows they're still the same by the way at this time we sometimes we are the ones saying can you come to Pachanepepe and you can come to Sinhakuja Sinhakuja I'll look in what I'm looking for it look at the right people after they show after they show kind of take me somewhere I'll see all that everything is becoming personal here Ken is not a man he's not a man what's the point if somebody tells you come over let's have some some movie and the bill is not yours nobody is ever willing to pay bills so if somebody is willing why must you reject our lady is willing to pay bills personally very willing if I have it why should I not get this the problem is wait squeeze what you can be eat am standard date how is he kuja kama anapesa ya ke okisia to date me fail and me kumbe let's meet next time she's waiting for that next time she can be financially smart go out with you so that in case things crack down we are willing to go but also me coming to your date and you are paying bills doesn't mean that I cannot afford that bill that's why I'm telling you for the interest of respect so I have you may not even men are showing up on dates we are always worried we are always worried even if you shop for that that's why we are not willing to pay bills we are willing to pay bills we are willing to pay bills we are willing to pay bills we are willing to pay bills you won't order that kuku you will not order cheapo because knowing you are asked to pay 500 to 1000 so you just go and order something for 200 just in case you are not the same atuwa bebuto ngeza sumbili where will you take kuku ata on it maybe you didn't have that cash so you will always ask bebuta baya ikwa when she says yes you go and I think ladies should do it more often not 10 to 1 that you should continue doing it I think the guy is able to respect you if you continue doing such stuffs we are having some feedback from quite our fans a number of them we have Ayub Wafla normal Kisi is watching big up Ayub of course we have Peter Nyengaw watching from Nakuru and of course let's get to have a look at Charles Ireri wa Shamata watching from Shamata so wa Shamata ndo please and Abadu wa Shamata ndo okay big up on yourself we have Emma James our usual fan Marafiki Broke but more of what you guys are saying and of course we are having Felix Moturi Pender Rega okay kiavo kuna comment apa kiavo kaluna nyoni when he doesn't bite a but anawaka daily okay saa okay wa no apata kura dasi kwa apa weru Paul watching from watching kutuka nyeri saa saa feeti thanks very much weru we have Emma James once again good morning I'm following the show from Mombasa 20 20 Tehadi Tamati hakuna kubanduka ausio ndio manake nam okay paraya paraya oi good morning kutaka kua jua aukutuka sa zile una kaketu ana kuhepa mana kuhepa live ukiwa nazo kana shindwa niwe this is the issue of what say kuhepa it seems like it's everything to relationship with every other young person who talkers who first see when you talkers do first and depend on when you have money when you have money and I feel secured in the relationship I can decide to move was it a relationship of a situation so whether it's both a guy will never want to date a nice girl come on a person not even being nice just being in relationship as a guy and you cannot provide to some extent you move you just don't stick to one na chiza ligia kuh na una na live kido koda rungi badae na rungi badae I'll be months away from you so how will you make that happen vumi liya na hapa sa izikubali huna let's look for it ma never naza kubali aana anyway let's first go to the baby rungi ma parasitromi ni weyengisa na ukiwa kama ukiwa kwa noma utawaju vizuri when miki pata shi dana ingia phone book na pata I only have number I only have numbers no friends ok akuna digits 2 hana ma beshte but when pesli bima tohka onakuliza fromia wikeni gani ma parasit how watching from thika and this what saibia you are talking about in that time you must say wapia wapia but they also there are those friends who says that form ni gani but they are not actually parasites wale hawa nama they are not the people of your group wale wana film ume an masiatuna jo batu jya an ume kufrasu yuna maisha unangale simu but also maali memi uniboni dosle di zue ne ndiwa na jo me an saasa nau the parasites in them comes where na saima baby bruzen pelika out no problem I'll take you out niza kudja nama beshte zangu awi liya mawa tatu nau saasa yume tohke awa api and student are waving what is that have you ever gone with some friends ume tohde na boy have you ever gone out for a date you feel like I need someone else I need a company for this it depends on whom I'm going to meet because sometimes coming with my friend doesn't mean I want you to meet my friend security because you don't know your intentions this date even happened that sometimes you are going there for the first time if you do it I don't know what you can do na siyata nimi na kudja nga na mawa ratuze but if you do not know my intentions or if you do not trust me don't turn up why turning up I'm turning up because you called and I mean the kebabili chofu turning up same thing you said you are eating how money so even it's her time now to eat your money but if you don't sell up kudja na mawa tatuze then you will be your issue of which even you said that even guys do you come with your friends sometimes you call as you own your dates and me na jwa na kudja kukumit na kudja na pata kenbabu na pata me ni maboikapa so it's better when I come with my friends muki anza chelsi na sisi tu na anza ehe alafu magi yoha hysteria ke but if you come with your partner you will always come with 3 gilata kuna but how but then with guys you will always work with some cash but for them if you too na na taka kwa de chakulengine expensive so you call we'll be talking about this type of expensive things but let's first of all finish up the kind that contacts you when they need you not just for talks and to know how you are and after they get it they disappear for a while until they need you again so now e game me change kwa Kristi game me change but now she's saying there are people who appear when a need arises I feel that one is a lot on the family side atchana sada relationship familiar like I don't know if mine is like that but kuna wala watu anya wana appear in good times, in bad times they are not there I think it's not we are supposed to support each other in times of good times and bad times have you ever supported someone in those bad moments misi naka kitu bro you can't say that 2 times I don't know I don't know I don't know whether I need to at least to go out to kwa we want to try alright that's what people say do you think kuna ila movement kuna kuna ila movement kana ila movement kana ila movement kana ila movement it's normal but sometimes sometimes I took advantage of that person but sometimes the situation it's the situation I think kuna jwa sazinginu na zafikana any place we have contacts kuna jama flan we are supposed to go out to kwa at least to kwa mokalia then you go there you know your target you know your target you know your topic you know your topic you know your topic man is broke man is very humble lady is perspective we feel like we need to go to this particular person for assistance personally no what we need to do I keep in touch with them have you ever been assisted by anyone what do you think I have been assisted I should come back and tell you I have been assisted I have heard I heard this problem I am good right now but it's okay if I help you go even if you get another problem just go you just want me time to come so come on I think personally I won't keep you in my circle you are not worth it nilisha watua onajiwa kwa naume kwa naume it happens so many times mnazakua munaongiaka mnazakua nalubeshtaku muliongiaka maibimilikua high school but from high school nya kwa nga yungiaka nya kwa kili ni kule lunch maybe it happened last week kaba was plan to come in the context nya zikedbabu nya kwa nga kini hece nyan gushie roha bii kule lunch nila nbisa nilisha watua hia saka atu kwa aga ngekikyilasiku nya asap ngekiilasiku koa ebuskisijagiv nya nba ni uretak nya nba ni ngekiyilasiku nla mpi je de senda nya nwa nga kini hece M hydraulic 4. Kwasitena ujvan No, is it, does it mean that you are lazy, saivia, kwa na kwa dey umo mebede nata kahi, mazi ju kumeka kuba? First of all, it's the response, guys fear that no response, na kwa nga like, e mazi? We w kumbaya bana, dey ma nukutam kata uksa idea, and you feel so bad. When you go to a guy and ask for help na kata hi, it's normal, it's our brokama una fiti, but dey ma kikunye ma, even when you say missing and asking for help na dey ma say no, I can't help you. The moment you change your conversation, toki kwa storya doi kuji ma lavida vi ama, kanyu kachap ningumusana, you'll have to think. Kwa na nga na nga ya, story na nga na kwingile? So actually it's first of all, it's the response, not laziness. I love second of all, there's also some pride and ego. And then third, it's always the talk show, vile dey makshaksa idea. Then you promise to get back to her maybe in a week or two weeks, and then things don't turn out. Vile yata kusambaza, vile yata kumeme ma messages. You are a man, get back by ma, I want my money back. Kwa ni ma na ume? Is it not a right for me to ask my money because I assisted you? But you should ask it in a nice way first of all, and then second of all, kasi japata, kaini understand. Kwa wana juanga, ulini sa idea pesa juno juanga wu 7 upona na. Na kwa na ni mona story sa mi rungo na ma dem? I don't know whether we have heard about the story. How bad? Kwa wana ume kama kwa miku pedono jamu rudisha. Anakuliku kumiyama zia. But you know ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies. Dema kusadia pesa, ama kusadia. Izo zwote bada atangaza tu. Ya, da kudaseme ula ni lewa pesa. You have wrong friends when you are atangaza. Ladies are very smart, they will do it for you. More than you can do it for me, they still be silent as if nothing happened. I give you 5000 and nothing happened. I want to experience. It doesn't happen to us. Kuchanga zwa ati ladies ono kutua. Even if we are not friends, we are still friends. This thing is getting hot. Many thanks for coming, Ken and Saviour. It was a nice time to be with you here on site. Many thanks even for you at home for keeping us interactive through our social media pages. We appreciate your feedback. We get to wrap it now until tomorrow with Barry Moses and I Izo zwote bada atangaza tu. Izo zwote bada atangaza tu.