 That's the breakfast and plus CBR for care on the second leg. We have dr. Sebastian Ariense who joins the conversation this morning He is a managing director interactive marketing associates Limited dr. Sebastian Ariense. He's good to have you join us. It's my pleasure. Thank you very much All right, then so let's get to the crux of the conversation it's been quoted or been stated by stakeholders of recent time that You know young persons with on top renorship skills would help grow the economy The question is how how can these things be? dr. Ariense, can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear you very well. Yes. So my question is that experts over time just recently had gathered and and in In the discussion it was been put off that to grow the economy and Help the economy get off all of the social crisis that's faced with then youth with Entrepreneurship skills would help grow the economy. The question is how can this be? Especially when you juxtapose that with all the factors that you know might affect the growth of the economy Yeah I come in yes, go ahead Yeah, if I should come in economy is and productivity capacity for productivity And maybe important that it was time to point out No need to also have money of the nation for example and the world someone like a big age someone like Toyota on like Honda. You know, these are the people who, while in school, they caught me waiting. And that, today, we think about them as people dropped out of school. Not because they were not able to cope with the loss of schooling. They had ideas that they felt that many in school was going to slow them down. And then they go to an explode school, need a school, and deploy what they have left. The ideas they have, and to do it, they get the worst, because they return the richest man in the world. That takes so much to the economy of the marriage and the world of life. The same goes for the other ones, the other ones. All right. Go ahead, please. So, in school, and again also, let's not go to the kind of long that you're running to, you understand. Because we need to begin to focus on education that is productive education. We have people, children, I thought, we have something, when you're at school, they catch you, they learn you. And they want you to go out. They are not going out. They are not going to need you to become a job, to become a job. So, let's even stay with your thoughts now. You have talked about having institutions or students, or young people, or persons being exposed to a kind of curriculum that would ensure productivity. And my question now here is, how come we have not thought in these slides? And so, how will we now have experts who are thinking that when you have young persons who have entrepreneurial skills, or who have the skills that will help grow the economy, it becomes a plus for us. When, if you look at the educational system or the structure, it's not set in that direction. How many conventional universities, or institutions, or structures can we boast of in the country? Well, I don't want to fight some schools. Some of the private schools, private universities, are doing well in their regards. But we think of the problem. I don't need to stress on that. I'm used to the effort. The world has curriculum that is part of this university and for our students. But, you know, because our system is just the one of course and space. We copy exactly the kind of music that we use that we can get down to earth by repeating. And we never then, at the station, for us, was not to create producers. It was not to create people with creative minds. It was to see what the system is going to be. And we didn't know if the industry, the system that they have created, you know. So that is the reason why I'm here. It's not about the calm and quiet. Nobody talks about how easy it is to be calm. And Dr. Irenezee, we'll just try and say because we're not having a very smooth, you know, communication with you right here. The line's not very clear. And we're barely struggling to hear you speak this morning and share your thoughts on the issue. But I'll come back to you because Kofi is here and we're hoping that we're able to establish, you know, a smooth connection with you and then we'll get right back, okay? Now, I think that Kofi, you know, in order to say is that it's a good thing for us to, you know, come out and have all of this postulation. I like to stay on the side of reality because most times we feel like we come up and then we're just putting out some lofty, beautiful ideas, especially when we have conferences and, you know, business meetings. So we come out and say, hey, you know what, if we do X, Y, Z, this is going to bring the result. But coming back to the situation, so we have conversional universities, which are the regular and so we also have vocational. And if you talk about skills and acquisition of skills, you ask yourself the number of, you know, conversional universities if you want to, you know, have a count of it and comparing that to the number of vocational institutions. How many vocational institutions do we have that we encourage people who have skill sets because we're talking about, you know, not the regular. People have to have these skill sets, you know, they have to be very productive, right? Because we know the conversional institution or university, we get to talk about theories and some of these theories don't even relate with the current realities of our lives, how to deal with and solve the problems that we, you know, face with on a daily basis. You know, the current issue that people might be facing. So it's just really worrisome that it feels like sometimes we come together for conferences and meetings and then we begin to just chunk out some lovely things and when we look at our reality as a people, it doesn't correlate. So it's like we're speaking vague stuff and just trying to sound very intellectual. Well, I guess it's back to the line. Doc, if you're going to hear me, I would like to ask you to talk about the ASSO strike and how it's affecting the young people and maybe what they can do to be able to get some of these skills in the time that they have. I mean, is this a period for the students to try and see what they can do? Because I saw it tweet by a very respected Nigerian when it comes to financial discussions on Twitter, economic discussions on Twitter. His name is Kaluwaja. And Kaluwaja had an interesting thing to say about the ASSO strike. I'll just go to that now. Kaluwaja said that the ASSO strike is on and he talked about what students can do, what the federal government is doing and what parents are doing in Novart. And this is what he says. Quote that students need to get skills in this time or to get something to do for themselves. So I want you to speak to this. How can students take advantage of this strike to be able to get themselves up to the level they should be, entrepreneurally? It's also important to mention that it's quite unfortunate that a country like Nigeria will allow the school to be shut down for all parts of six months, seven months, going back and forth only. However, the way parents and the students can have a situation by one, the students enrolling themselves in competition. I know some students, for example, in the era of technology who are attached to doing it, they're already attached to a place called Compatibility Levels. They go there every morning and get something that can help the laptop they cannot work on. So they didn't learn that from school. They learned that from within this short period that was forced on them. That's the one. Oh, we seem to be having a network network connection. Can you hear us, doctor? I can. Okay. All right. The connection is... All right. We're having a bit of a... So what I'm trying to say is that a good number of them also are not idle. They are trying to see how best they can improve themselves by learning one skill, one profession of yours and a net mention of some people that are made at Compatibility learning how to repair phones and laptops. And some of them are already proficient in doing that. I also know some ladies who are learning fashion design and they can sew very well. The one that sewed for my wife is in part two in the universe and she sewed it so very well, you know. And these are... I know what some things are free for the ladies. There's a lot of distractions, you understand. Not every time has such opportunity. Not every time can afford that, you know. And that is the reason why a good number of them will not have opportunity to do that and they want to go to the streets to do what a normal area will do. All right, interesting. I've been able to whip up Carlos to it. He said federal government doesn't care they leave in 2023. ASU doesn't care they will get paid. Students, he asks, limited choices. Number one, private university expensive. Number two, abroad, expensive and visa. Number three, he says, learn a skill not as expensive. And you've said it all, doc, that you know some were going to computer village to learn one or two things. And I think it's time to encourage the students from what you've said to be like they are made. So going to computer village and some other places to learn tellering, to learn the computer, you know, maintenance and fixing and all that to use this time to build themselves. Some people will say that some of the great inventions of our time, even some of the big employment tech companies we have in Nigeria today, we started by students. Job A man, for instance, was started by students. Maybe this could be a time that some students could create something that would even mean they have to leave school to just look after their business for a while. It's quite interesting. We have to leave it at this time. And of course to say thank you for joining us all the way from Delta State for this short but interesting conversation. It's my pleasure. Thank you very much. All right, all right. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Sebastian Narinze for being part of the breakfast. We appreciate your thoughts and your insight on the issue this morning. Merci. It's quite interesting to see, you know, that like the doc said, a lot of people, some students he knows are going out to get trained in one or two things. And this is to encourage students out there. If the students are not doing it, the parents should do this. Get your boards and roll in one thing or the other. Let them look at the skills they have because it's a dangerous time to be idle. You know, I was glad to have been called by a teacher friend of mine who said she has a former student who has been home, you know, because of the strike. And this girl is talented in public speaking. Can she come to some internship in the media house? Can she come see me? You know, so it's not about getting a job or getting what is going to give you money. Let them go and serve us in terms. As much as that's, you know, as much as that's, you know, is a brilliant thing to actually say, it's also important that there's a counterculture to this other aspect which I talked about, you know, the idea of having a certificate because everyone is driven by wanting to have a certificate. If you look at it just recently, there was a jam examination that was conducted to which university that's on strike. I mean, you still have people who are in the system who have not even finished the academic calendar. And so then you're going to have another set of persons. It's just a mindset. So we need to ask the government, and that's why we exist, to ensure that, you know, we provide, you know, protection and what have you security for the people. And security, apart from saying physical security, but it includes, you know, security in all aspects. Let us also, you know, have policies that would encourage us having, you know, vocational institutions. Yes, we know we have vocational institutions, but we need to encourage more of it, and people need to understand that, hey, it's not about going to universities to get a certificate, but it's okay, you know, for people to develop skills and that will go a long way. So we have to go a little bit at this point. It's been an interesting conversation this morning on the breakfast. We'll be back tomorrow. 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