 This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by you, the listener we could not do it without you, thanks to all of you, including Ms. Music Teacher, James C. Smith and Miranda Janell. Coming up on DTNS, be real and word all are over, sorry to tell ya, we'll explain. Plus, Jeff Dwaskin tells us how chat GPT has changed his podcasting life. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, April 14th, 2023 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Revit, I'm Sarah Lane. Drawing the top tech stories from Cleveland, I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And I am very pleased to have the host of Classic Conversations, the podcast and CEO of Stampede Social, Jeff Dwaskin. Welcome, Jeff! Hey! How are you? I have had the honor of being on Classic Conversations and it was very fun, so I'm so glad you came over to DTNS. I'm so glad to be here. That's episode 220 for anyone who wants to look it up. It's great and the highlight of that episode was me bringing up Tom's dad, Bill Merritt, who was not credited on his Wikipedia. But since we talked about it on our episode, I was able to go to Wikipedia, reference our conversation and get Bill Merritt the do for creating CoffeeMate. That's amazing. That's great. I'm glad that's in there now. Thank you for doing that. Alright, let's start today with the Quick Kits. Razer launched a $150 streaming deck called the Stream Controller Axe, powered by Loop Deck, with a slightly smaller but similar form factor to Elgato's Stream Deck MK2. The Stream Controller Axe has 15 LCD switchable key buttons and a faceplate that users can swap around. Also lets users program multiple actions into one button by dragging them into the custom action editor. It's compatible with apps like Twitch and Adobe's Photoshop and Illustrator. Yeah, and it's totally different from the Stream Deck because the logo's underneath the keys. WhatsApp introduced new security measures to help prevent your account from getting hijacked. The next time you switch to a new phone, WhatsApp will send a prompt to the old device to verify that you indeed want to switch. It has also added a background device verification to stop attackers from using a stolen WhatsApp key to send unwanted messages. And key transparency lets you confirm if a chat is encrypted with just the QR code. You won't need to verify message content with the recipient anymore. All three of these measures are rolling out right now, so you'll get them soon if you don't have them already. A new advocacy group for good faith security researchers called the Hacking Policy Council launched this week. Its founding members include Bug Crowd, Hacker One, Google, Intel, Ingrid T, and Luta Security. The group will lobby for changes to the European Union's Cyber Resilience Act, which requires disclosing vulnerabilities within 24 hours of discovery, even if no patch is available. China's DD announced Friday that it plans to deploy its autonomous taxis 24-7, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, by 2025. Also showed off its concept car, Neuron, which has a robotic arm to load your luggage and hand you a glass of water. DD also showed off Autonomous Maintenance Bays. They can wash the car, charge them, check them out for issues, all without having to have a human around. And DD announced its Autonomous Trucking Business Cargo Bot reached $14.6 million in revenue in March. The Windows 11 beta preview released today includes a privacy setting for Presence Sensing, which lets an app detect when you're actively using a Windows Power device. The new privacy settings let you decide which apps get to use the feature. Presence Sensing has positive uses, such as locking your device or speeding up authentication, extending battery life, but you might not want every single app on your machine to collect that kind of data about you, so you have that option. Yeah, nice. Good ad. All right, sad news in the land of people who like to play games and or use Spotify. Yeah, so have you heard? I don't know if it's a good word or not, but Spotify is closing down hurdle. That's H-E-R-D-L-E. It's the music guessing game like Wordle, but instead of six tries to guess a five-letter word, it's six tries to guess a popular song. Now, when Spotify bought hurdle last July, the company said it would remain free to play for everybody. You didn't have to be a Spotify subscriber. You didn't have to pay for the game. But I didn't really say it would keep working forever. Well, nah, we kind of know what's going on here because hurdle will shut down on May 5th. Spotify says it wants to focus on music discovery in other areas. According to web analytics firm at similar web, hurdle peaked at 69 million monthly desktop and mobile web visits. In March of 2022, it was it was hot had about 41 million around the time of the Spotify acquisition. So obviously it was dropping off, but still a lot of engagement. We don't know what the user numbers are now. Have to assume probably a lot less than that. So here's the question for the group. Is this a sign that Wordle-like game crazes are over? Or just that hurdle didn't prompt enough people to stream more Spotify tracks? Yeah, I kind of feel like it's the second one. That's what they wanted. They wanted people to use this as another discovery method, which is why they're saying we're going to focus on other things. Jeff, did you ever play hurdle or Wordle or any of these? I played Wordle. It was one of those things where I hate played for a long, long time. And then finally, we had a family text and we would go three, two, one. And the first time I got in two, I made a meme, local man, so I was a Wordle in two. It a big deal. But at some point, when the ones that are like, I can't even think of the right one, but it was like, oh, it's not funny. It's lummy. It's like different words, but 50 words that all have the same different first letter. So it's just a guessing game. It would just frustrate me. I couldn't do it. And Spotify, I can't do name that tune, so I'm not going to do that hurdle. Well, so Jeff, I am a Wordle. I'm Stan. I play it every morning before I do anything else. My mom also does and another friend of mine does. And we all sort of go like, okay, did you get it? How much did you get it in? Okay, now let's talk about what we used as our words. I am a very enthusiastic world user. Hurdle was very difficult for me. I tried it a couple times and I was like, I'm just not good at this. So it dropped off from my radar. But I like the idea of sort of the daily game. It just has to be part of your routine. If you don't enjoy it, you don't enjoy it. Hurdle was one of those things where I'm like, it's just not for me. And I feel like Spotify probably felt that enough other people felt that way, especially since Spotify is trying to throw a lot of spaghetti at the wall of getting people to pay for Spotify and stay within Spotify and have fun within Spotify when it comes to just something besides listening to a song here and there or making a playlist or listening to a new album. But yeah, I think the company probably said there's no real incentive for somebody who wants to play this game to be part of the rest of the Spotify experience of which it is ramping up all sorts of new features. I mean, they hoped it would, but it didn't turn out to be that way. And they're not telling us how many people are using it, but I bet there's some people in our audience who use Hurdle and are sad about this news. I say that because everybody covered this, like TechCrunch, Sarah Perez, The Verge, Game Developer, Variety, the Hollywood Reporter. I mean, part of that is just because it's Spotify doing something and they're such a big company in the entertainment space, but also I feel like there was a little shout and froida of people like, even if they didn't play Hurdle, they were sad that Spotify was ending it because I totally get what you're saying about, you know, this wasn't working for them. They hoped it would drive discovery. It didn't. So no, they shouldn't have to keep operating it. But even if there's only one million people still using it, that's a lot of people to suddenly let down. Like I wish there was another way. I wish they could like open source it or, you know, give it to pass it along to a foundation or sell it off to somebody. I don't know. I think what it's missing is maybe the community. Like Sarah mentioned how she does the wordle thing with her family. It's an event, you know, maybe the name, the Hurdle just didn't have that. And so, you know, it just loses its muster after a while. And maybe there's more people who like the idea of it than actually like playing it. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't want to say like I'm the best wordle player ever, but like I'm pretty good at it. When it comes to music, I feel like I'm pretty well versed in music. It just, it wasn't the same game, but it was, it was based on the same idea. So I think Spotify saying, ah, fewer and fewer people are using this and having fun with it. And that is not driving people to then go to the full track, right? Like let's say you win Hurdle. The idea is that you figure out the tracks. So it's like maybe you would like to go into Spotify and use that track to create a playlist or all sorts of fun things that Spotify wants you to do. And I think a lot of people are probably like, ah, I was just playing a game for like five minutes. And, you know, that, that is, if that's not going to retain users, which you obviously want to do, then you put your resources elsewhere. Yeah, I think a lot of people are using this as a signal that Spotify is, you know, short on cash. They're even killing Hurdle. And I don't know that it really means that. They've added a lot of other discovery things like smart shuffle and that TikTok style feed and stuff. So that they are still trying things. I don't think this means that they're desperate. Didn't they just kill their clubhouse too? They did though. Last month. They did kill that too. Yeah. But, you know, Spotify is also, you know. I don't think that was terribly successful either really. They had a, you know, redesigned mobile app recently with discovery feeds and, you know, they're trying out smart shuffle that helps people with playlist recommendations, podcast autoplay options and AI DJ that's supposed to learn what you like over time and give you more recommendations, you know, based on AI. It's all very, let's try things out. Let's see what people like. That's not bad. That's not bad at all. Because they try things and they don't work. Doesn't mean that they don't know what they're doing. Doesn't mean they do. God bless them. Sarah, would you get the same songs as I would get on a given day? I don't know. Jeff, I would guess not just because I have weird music tastes. So then the competition between us is missing, which is something that Wordle kind of has built. Yeah, because everybody's working off the stage. Exactly, right. Yeah, like music discovery is a very personal thing. It's not necessarily a fun game to play against others. Well, here's another thing that's over. Be Real. The New York Times has an article titled, They're Over Being Real. If you haven't run across it, Be Real is an app that leans into authenticity. Once a day, it prompts everyone at the same time to post a picture of what they're doing right then. It gives you two minutes to do it. Now, you can still post late. It doesn't stop you if you miss the two-minute window. It'll just mark the post as being however many minutes or hours late you were when you finally posted. When the next prompt comes, all the previous day's posts are cleared out and you only see the current one. You're living in the moment. It had huge update and then it got stale. Sensor Tower says downloads of Be Real have been falling since September. Aptopia says daily use dropped 61% between October and March and the problem seems to be that while we say we want authenticity, reality is just a bunch of pictures of people sitting at their laptops, not as compelling for the consumer or for the poster. Jeff, I'm not sure. Have you used Be Real? I haven't, but my kids have. To me, it never really made sense. It's kind of the opposite of what social media is. You go to social media to be someone else, right? I guess that's what it was. I feel like so much of, let's say Instagram, just to use an example, people saying, well, this isn't real life and people are spinning some sort of a narrative that they're having much more fun in Costa Rica than they really are and all the filters make everybody not real. I love the incentive to be like, okay, curate your friends and family or whoever you want to follow and want to follow you and just be yourself. I personally found it to be getting that notification when I just was in the middle of doing dishes or just otherwise like, I don't want anybody to see me right now or even see what I'm doing. That kind of turned me off at the beginning, but Tom, I know that you were having fun with it and you were enjoying the kind of non-Instagram version of life that you were getting from it. Yeah, I love the idea of like, let's not set it up. Let's actually see what you're doing. And I did get to the point where if I was just sitting at my desk, I'd be like, well, I'm going to hold off and do it when I'm not at my desk so it's not always a picture of my desk. The same thing. I would do some things where like, oh, in 15 minutes I'm going to be doing something more interesting, I'll be at a concert or a baseball game and I would tweak it that way. But I think that was still in the spirit of like, you're still not setting up the moment. You're not Instagramming. You're like, this is actually what I'm up to and you don't have to put on filters and all that. And I did like that and I like to see what other people were doing. My interest in it has been rejuvenated lately because Len Peralta just joined. So he's reacting to posts and I'm seeing new stuff from him. But actually before Len joined, I was starting to just be like, okay, take my picture. And I wasn't looking at anybody else. It was starting to feel like a duty, you know, rather than something fun. So I think the best thing that came out of it is the Saturday Night Live Skit making fun of Be Real. It was really, really funny. And what annoyed me also about Be Real is when TikTok tried to copy it and put a kind of a Be Real thing into their app because I'm like, ugh, I just don't need this. But isn't that always the way it goes, right, Jeff? Like if TikTok's like, huh, Be Real seems to be popular with people. Let's just build this functionality into the app that is already popular. And that has worked for the bigger company in a lot of circumstances. And maybe that's what this is. Oh, no, I get that. I just met me personally. I was like, ugh, I don't need the deal with this. It was like forced upon me as well. I purposely hadn't gotten the Be Real. You know, my daughter's had it and all that kind of stuff. But you're right. I mean, all the apps kind of chase after each other when something's popular. Yeah. I think, Tom, you made a good point of like, well, I kind of always sitting at my desk. I don't want it to just be the same old monotonous thing. So there's that. I mean, that's reality, right? For a lot of us. Depending on the time of day. Sure. I'm not really going to be doing anything too crazy. I'm going to be on a roller coaster or whatever. I'm going to be sitting here, you know, working or otherwise not doing anything super interesting. But also the, I don't know. I guess for me, notifications on my phone, sometimes I need them most of the time I do not because they're invasive. I don't want to be tapped on the shoulder to be like, do this thing. If I don't have to do it for work, I'm not doing it. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just busy looking at my Be Real. What are you saying? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Ryan Ozawa is at the dentist, apparently. Anthony Carboni is playing with his dog. So they're not all pictures of people at their laptops. You know, it's good. No, no. And that's, I mean, that is, it's great to be real. Yeah. I just, you know, you kind of, you have to, you have to buy into it and say, I'm doing this. I'm just wondering if this is not the next wave of social media as a lot of people thought what is, or should Be Real be changing? And if it changes, can it stay authentic? Or does it have to like spice things up? And is it still being real? I'm curious where it goes from here. Hey folks, fighting misinformation online is a big deal. A lot of people talking about it. A lot of people wondering how they can do it. Well, we've got five ways you can do it in Tom's top five. I'm breaking down the top five things you need to know about technology every week. And this week it's top five ways to fight misinformation. Go get it at our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash daily tech news show. AI tools are moving into the optimization phase. Less about they exist. Oh my gosh. And more about, okay, what can we do with these? One example of that trend is the launch of the first open source instruction following large language model for commercial use. On Wednesday, Databricks released Dolly 2.0, which is confusing with Dolly the image generator. This one is D-O-L-L-Y and it's a text generator. Dolly 2.0 is open source, meaning you don't have to pay for an API. The training data was all crowdsourced from Databricks employees so you know where it came from. That training data has been released under a Creative Commons license so that you can go take it and do other things with it if you want. You've got the license to do that. Everybody signed up. They know it's in there. Also on Wednesday, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman told an audience at an MIT event, I think we're at the end of an era where it's going to be these giant models and we'll just start making them better in other ways. He compared it to the gigahertz race of the early part of the computer era. He's like, we're not looking at the numbers anymore. We're looking at the uses. That's why he said they haven't even begun training GPT-5 yet. There's just lots to do on GPT-4. And there's lots of room for other projects outside of OpenAI like Dolly 2.0. Now that's the high level view. What about practical uses? What are actual people doing with these artificial people? Jeff is using Generative AI in his productions. Jeff, how is this helping you? I love chat GPT. It's really the greatest thing ever. But what I use it for, I think a lot of times when you're watching these tutorials and stuff like that, it's like, just go and ask it. Give me five topics from my podcast. To me, that's not the right way to use it. Don't ask for it to give you back generic stuff. What I think it's great for and what I use it for a lot is helping me improve the stuff that I create. I'm a big fan of, we still have to use our brains and our creativity that we were blessed with. But we all can use a little help. Anyone can proofread something, do anything. With my podcast, for example, what I'll do is I'll write my show notes. I'll take notes on all the different points that I want people to understand occurred in this particular episode. Then what I do is I create a prompt and I'll take that to chat GPT and I'll say, hey, master copywriter, I need a few things from you. Take what I wrote and SEO optimize it for Tom Merritt what the episode is. Then rewrite these bullet points for that. Do you just say SEO optimize it and that's good enough? I would say SEO optimize it. One I just did was for John Billings. I'll say SEO optimize it for John Billings and the monkeys. I'll give it some things to pivot on. But it understands SEO. It'll show up in a search engine or get all verbose about it. Yes, it'll write it so it's helpful for those tools. Then I say, all right, now that you have that information, provide me three versions of a killer summary that'll pull someone in. I usually ask for more versions that I'm going to use because some are better than others and some have ideas they scatter the ideas across. I think that's a really good point about these tools is that it's not the first response that's the best. They'll have different responses, even with the same prompts. Yes, and the great thing to do is one of the tools that I learned later is that when you build out, if you write something out and you generate it, you're like, hmm, don't necessarily reply to that the response to go, hey, can you try it again but with less verbs? Don't do that. You go to the original prompt and there's like a little edit button which I didn't know this was there for a while and you edit the original one and then just have it regenerate it. That way it doesn't start to get confused with what are you referring to and all that kind of stuff so you can just go right back to the source. But I also do the summaries and then I say, create in my WordPress it has SEO thing where it's like a 160 character description and like a 60 character title so I say make me three of each of those. I say provide me five great tweets that highlight the gas and end with listen here and I'll insert a URL so it'll kind of format it that way. Then I'll say give me some title suggestions. It's not very clever with title suggestions. It's always the tech news today, Colin, Tom Merritt. Even no matter how much I try to tell it not to do that, that's all it can do. We get our title suggestions from the audience so what you're saying is the audience is safe. They will not be replaced by a chat. The audience is not going to be replaced by AI. Then I'll be like, hey, give me some hashtags and I tell it how to give it to me so I can just copy and paste it to the first comment and Instagram and I say add these. I want you to just add these but don't count them in the 10. Then give me a couple just teasers I can use on LinkedIn or Facebook and stuff like that. Then I have this whole variety of what I wrote but then it rewrites it and makes it better and a lot of times comes up with kind of tweaks on it and sometimes it comes up with an analysis and pulls out something that I didn't necessarily think of or like, oh, that is a theme. Because sometimes you're just too much. It recognizes things, yeah, that's interesting. Does it ever add things that weren't there? It does. It's funny you say that in the thing I write, please cover all topics mentioned in the info provided but please do not make up any facts. Please just stick to the facts provided. Interesting. I did something once where I was like, hey, write this. I was like, here's how to log into Facebook. It started to add way more information than I had given it and I was like, whoa, because it probably just had been trained on it so it knew about it. The interesting thing is that if you don't like the results you just say regenerate again and it's like the butterfly effect type thing. All these different things change it and it impacts even if you just regenerated a second later it's like you get completely different response. Those are good tips. I picked up a couple of things just now that I didn't realize he could do. I mean, I feel like this is not unlike the way that we as humans collaborate on DT&S rundowns every day, right? It's like Sarah writes something, but maybe I kind of know a little bit more about the topic or I know where I want to go with it. So just give me a place to jump off of and then we can check each other's work. Yeah, or vice versa. I'll write something, I did this today. This question, I don't think it's very good, but I bet you could make it better because you just need a second pair of eyes or a second pair of AI brains. The other thing I started doing is if you take the title you have and say is this title any good and then just put in the title and it'll say yeah, I think that's pretty good. It explains that this is who it's about and it should be compelling enough and all the punctuality is correct. So there's all those kind of little things. I think if you look at chat, it's kind of like your little assistant, your little buddy. Friendly assistant. Yeah, friendly assistant, but not the guy that comes up with your ideas. It's clippy, but good. Yeah, right. I mean, sometimes it's just, oh, you know what I mean, but most of the times it's not. So if I'm saying you need... That's how humans are too. I know. You might say, well, thank you, Sarah, but no thanks. I'm not going to use your suggestion, but you know what? I appreciate your input. Right, it's just like anything. It gets a certain angle that it wants to take and that's not the angle I want to take. You know, you have to kind of go back and kind of say, all right, focus it on this or something like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's... Overall though, I think it's extremely helpful. There's so many different ways you can... Another kind of way is like if I'm emailing someone like a sales email and let's say Tom hasn't responded to me in 50 times, I'll put like the emails that I've sent and I'll say Tom hasn't responded to me for months, can you rewrite this email in knowing that and to me to try and get his attention again and then it'll rewrite it so that you can create a follow-up that has... I really apologize for that. Yeah, well, I know. I just... I didn't mean to call you out live on your show, but yeah. But it was a good example. Well, a good example of something that you might want is the Asus ROG Phone 7, which is a gaming phone available for pre-order now in Europe, starting at 999 Euros for the ultimate version. You might say, okay, well, what is this? Both versions have a 6.78 inch screen with a 165 Hertz refresh rate. They run on Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 processors with a 6000 mAh battery. Both have some fun gaming features like vapor chamber cooling, a boron nitride thermal compound to cool the CPU. The ultimate version has more RAM, storage and increased thermoelectric cooling with the Aero Active Cooler 7 accessory that can lower the temperature of the surface of the device as much as 25 degrees, so pretty significant. But Andy Boxall over at Digital Trends points out that the video and audio quality make it a great multimedia phone as well. It has two front-facing speakers, and in the ultimate version, the cooling accessory also includes a subwoofer. He also raved about Snapdragon Sound and Dirac Virtuo's digital signal processing, which makes headphone audio sound great. And the ROG Phone 7 also has a headphone jack. Ah, you just sold it to like a dozen people in the audience. I know, I saved it best for last. Headphone jack? Yeah, I like to this review because a gaming headphone has an audience. I know that, but it's not a huge one. But if you look at this and be like, oh, for watching, you know, videos, watching YouTube, maybe even movies if you're on a plane because you don't want to take up a lot of space, stuff like that, yeah. That sounds like a pretty decent phone. Good job, Asus. Also, good job, Len Peralta. You have been illustrating today's show. You went high-concept today. I like this. Explain what you drew today. Sure thing. Well, first, you know, it's been a very sad week, and it's only added to the sadness knowing that I just joined Be Real last week and it's being done. We're already talking about it. Yes. It's not done. I don't know. It's not done. Spotify Killing Hurdle, which is, I do that every night with Whirtle and also Framed. But also the biggest, the saddest news of this week, of course, is that Mad Magazine artist Al Jaffe passed away at age 102. I don't know how much Mad Magazine has been influential on my life. Probably a lot. So this afternoon, I'm getting ready for the show and I'm thinking, you know what? I'm going to do a mad fold-in of Al Jaffe, and that's exactly what I did. This is a DTS fold-in. It actually does work. So if you want to know what the answer is and what's the fold-in, you're just going to have to go. I'm not going to give anything out here. You're going to have to go and check. Explain the fold-in if somebody's never run into it. Sure thing. Because it's a fun concept. So the fold-in is something that happened on the back of Mad Magazine. Al Jaffe was the creator of it. Basically, it was a response to the center fold and playboy instead of folding out. You fold it in. And when you fold it in, you've got a totally new piece of art with also a joke in there, which is really amazing. So the fact that I pulled this together in two hours is just kind of crazy. I love that it actually folds, too. That's great. If you want to see the answer, you can go to my patreon.patreon.com where you will get this image immediately just for joining and becoming back in me at the DTS lover level. You can also go the old-fashioned way, purchase it from my online store. You can fold it over that way or order a print for me, and I will pre-fold it for you and you can see what the answer is. Oh, pre-folded by Len. Or no, I don't want to take the fun out of it. I won't pre-fold it. You can fold it on your own and see what it is. But check it out. Thank you so much. It's over at lenporaldestore.com. Good stuff. As always, Len, also good stuff from you, Jeff Dwaskin. So nice to have you on the show today. Let folks know where they can keep up with your work. You can keep up with me at Classic Conversations. That's my podcast. You can get it on. There it is. Jeff is funny.com is the website. Also, Classic. Classic-conversations.com. You can listen to me talk to famous people like Lou Grant, Tom Merritt, Burt Ward. If you like pop culture, if you like the Orville, you guys like the Orville. I had a few people from there on. That's just all across the board. A lot of fun things. Yeah? Well, we are so glad to have you on with us today. We also want to thank a brand new boss that we got over the last week. It was a little bit of a slow week for Patreon, but Russ is our new patron. Russ just started backing us on Patreon. Thank you, Russ. Good to have you. Yeah, be like Russ. Join in the Patreon. You get a bunch of cool extra stuff. You get some stuff early. You get editors' desks from me. And patrons get the extended show, Good Day Internet. It's Friday. So we're going to have a little fun on Good Day Internet and do a Roger Tech quiz. This one will test our panelist knowledge of the intersection of music and social media from YouTube to TikTok. So please stick around, patrons, to join in on the fun. It will be fun. 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