 What are you going to tell your kids when it's time to have your kids? What are you going to tell them in terms of gender equality? Ah, kids not in my plan. Next! Okay, what? What did you just say? Another question. You don't plan to have kids? No, it's looking a bit tedious. Oh, okay. You don't think you might change your mind? It's final, like you don't know. I don't think so. Hey. I mean, it's like, you kids are a sacrifice. They are, they are. It's a lot of work. And isn't it good that I realize it's a sacrifice that I probably don't want to make? It's not time you feel like you'd want to see your kapaianki just walking around. I don't know what, you don't know, but that's some vanity. You feel the love. And you just want to see a little version of yourself moving. And no, I don't want to see a little, what will I do with a little version of me? No. The thing is, I've lived the better part of my life, parenting everyone. Yeah. Now I can just do me. Yes. And I'm going to do that for as long as possible. Yeah. And kids are expensive. School fees, health care, ah. What's up, good people and welcome to yet another episode of Bars with Stars. My name is Miss Kitinchi and today, as always, I am hanging out with a star right here on set. Now, guys, before I introduce to you who I am hanging out today with, please make sure you subscribe to SPM Bars. Kindly, sendeo. So that you don't miss out on any content that we post. Now today I am hanging out with the talented, the vocal, the beautiful Kamene Gorok. Sata mama. How are you, sweetie? I'm doing good. Thank you so much for inviting me. I've been seeing you guys doing some great stuff, some really dope stuff. Push, push, push, push. Kavisa. Miambia Sata. Akiya Santesana for agreeing to talk to us. Anytime. And you know, just hanging out and just, you know, apart from hearing you on radio, just to hear what you think about, what I'm going to ask you today, you know? A lot of things to talk about. But anyway, let me ask you, how do you manage to survive in this industry? Because me, every single day people are talking about you, every other day, how do you manage? Wow, so one, I don't pay attention. And most of the time, if you guys are talking, I don't know what's being said. And on principle, I've just said, you know, even for my own peace of mind, mental stability, because you guys can be crazy. I just, I block myself from it. So usually not like charity is the one, when she sees something that she knows will probably affect me or make me feel some type of way, she'll just tell me, eh babe, chore azim matusimo. And that's usually what happens most days when na trend vibhaya or I'm being trolled or there's a story coming out somewhere. So I just put off my phone, I go about my life, I read my books, I'll watch a movie, I'll continue hustling. By the time the day is done, go home, sleep. Thing is when you wake up in the morning, something else is happening. So more than the not guys have already forgotten. So on principle, but then I just ignore. Because I realize if I pay a lot of attention to it, there's a lot I want to do in my life. Takwa nashindo to no, but they'll say, no, but they'll say, no, but they'll say. So just kungatu kamaenda. But has it always been like this? Because you know, you are not famous since no growing up. Has it always been like that's the attitude for you? Amma, there's a time when you were starting, it was really getting into your head. Ah, I don't know. I think I'm so pretty much the same person I've always been. My mum usually says, for me on principle, there's something I want to do, I will do it. And it's very hard to tell me not to do it. Matter of fact, you can't tell me not to do it because I'll find a way and I'll do it provided I want to do it. So if anything comes in the way of my wanting to do something, usually I just ignore. If this is the job that I want, I'll go and I'll get it. Whether you want me to get it, whether you think it's a good fit for me, miboran ataka fifanya and taifanya. And I think that's just been my general approach to life. If I want to do it, I'll do it. If there are consequences, I'll do it but I wouldn't do what you wanted to do at the end of the day. Kabisa? That's the mantra. You guys must hear how many have started speaking some wisdom right from the beginning of the interview. You've mentioned your mum. Let me tell you, your mum was my lecturer. No way! Hey, pala kenya ma. No way! She told us media law. That's my mum. Let me tell you but I'm not even thinking because you're here but your mum was a type of woman should walk into the classroom. You just want to be her when you grow up. Dude! You know that's what everyone asks me. She's so kind, mati, kind of him. And she's so open. That's why when someone asks me, who's your role model, who do you look up to? I'm like, my mum. My mum is working, parka saizi. She's been in creative for the longest right now. She is deep within film. So I'm like, she's always open minded. She's those ones who always knew I could do whatever I want. There's someone who has really gotten me to where I am today. Yes. My career, my outlook on life, the things I'm pursuing is my mum because she's always been those ones for imagine you can do whatever you want. I say, oh okay, so you want to buy a beach house. Sawa, panya two cars. You want to be on radio. She's like, okay, where's the opportunity? How can I help? Oh, you want to be on TV. Like when I wanted to be on TV, our whole family was against it. Extended family as well. You got my dad was not going to allow it for anything. Yes. Panya nandia two, it's okay. We'll find a way. Yeah. And when I got the job, she was like, Sawa, you this is what you want to do. Do it. Go with it. She's an amazing woman. She is. She is for sure. I mean, she taught me media law for three years and I can bet she is for sure. Sana. Let me ask you now that you're, you've gotten yourself into controversial conversations and I'm calling it controversial because it's not necessarily controversial because it's a woman saying it, it tends to be. How does your mum, you know, take, does she, does your mum and dad actually watch you and just listen to you? Oh, my mum listens to every show. Oh. From the beginning till the very end. When she finds it so hilarious, my mum is also I'm, if she doesn't text me during the show, I know I've done a bad show. There are times when I can even open a couple of messages for you. She's like, what's wrong with you and Jalama? You people are mad. She's like, Aki, I've laughed. All I can. Aki. She listens to every show and you see thing is she knows me. So there's nothing that, let me show you, there's nothing that really would shock her. Where is it? Guys, we are looking for those chats. The receipts are here. We have them. Oh, my gosh. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, we chat all day, every day through everything. She's like her best friend. Asana, a day will not pass, we haven't spoken. Where is it? Yeah, you see? Atisupia Kosewe. What are you guys? So now this is at 928. This is the madness part of the show where Mina and Jalas mess out kukazi to Najibamba. So she's always there. Look. Oh gosh, there's so many. The other day she got an OGW. Order of the Grand Warrior. So I was like, now she's really challenging me. There are so many messages. Yeah, I can see that. But she's yes. She's amazing and she doesn't mind. As for my dad, I think my dad is just a whole other individual. He's come to accept that there's very little he can do about. About your choices. Yes. And I'm because I'm going to be 30. Yes. I'll be 30 in a couple of weeks. You know, March 24th. There's not much influence anyone can exert on me right now. Maybe my employer. Yeah, but I think he's just come to terms with she's open-minded. This is how she lives. She's cut her hair. She has tattoos. She's an old woman, but she's gotten her life together so sour. Yeah. You know, as an African parent, some of us grew up in a way that we could not approach our parents. No. And you know, we grew up knowing there are things we cannot talk to our parents about you. For you, was it different? Like was your mum able to talk to you about sexual health issues? Amma was it. How was it? Yeah, I mean, I think my mum had the sex conversation with because me and my brother are one year, nine months apart. That's the first one. Then between me and my sister, there's nine years. So she had the conversation with me and my brother pretty early because I think something had happened in school and she just wanted to ensure she'd be able to have the conversation. I think maybe we were 12, 13. And then also the school I went to was very, very passionate about ensuring that the sexual health education was top notch. So we learned everything in school, by the way. So Christian school, but they made it important for us to know the information. Forms of contraception, nini nini, what happens to your body when your body calls out for. So for us, it wasn't really a tabu subject. It was something that was thrown in our face because us, it was even part of the curriculum. It was a unit called Christian guidance and counseling. So it was part of the curriculum. You didn't even have to sit a cat. Oh, okay. It was that serious. It was very, very serious. So it was okay. And I've been close with my mom. So it was easy to have that conversation with us. My dad, not as much. But I think what happened is as he got older, then it became more comfortable in the house. You know, then no longer parenting us because once we hit 18, 19, my folks were just asking for, okay, clearly we're leaving all of us adults in the house. And the minute we could not all live all of us adults in the house, we went to Kujitoa. Yes, so it was here. Okay. I mean, times have changed. Some of us will say, I don't know if it's a real tough step and some people want to go to a group of schools. Do you all, some of this information they'll be given. This is the advantage of, you know. Wow. Wow. Because that conversation is actually very important. Must, must have it. Because I realize a lot of young people are out here getting into this very intimate interaction without knowing everything that it entails. You know, what it can do to your body. Sometimes what it can do to your mind. You know, the long-term ramifications of it. Very true. How to safeguard yourself. So as guys were equipped with that information, ma pema, you know, contraception was a conversation that we had been taught about very early. A conversation I'm learning right now as my age. No way. I was even examinable. I'm even surprised. And yet, it's a tough step as I felt like I was in a group of schools. Now, you know, coming away now from family Kedongo, Jelangu is living. Man. Living radio. How does that make you feel? I hate it. I know it's, like I know, he's going out there to a bigger better calling. You know, it's a dream. That's very important for him. It's a major, major part of his life dream. So as his friend, I supported 100%. But this is a person I've spent every morning, you know, with for now into two years. You get he's been my friend. You know, he's my bestie. There are things about Jelangu that about me that only he knows. You know. My home is sana and it's been an absolute joy working with him. It's going to be difficult, I think, getting to that stage with my next co-host. If I get a next co-host, then I still don't know what's happening. But it's, you know, for me, it's also a job. So it's also something you have to commit to. But I'm not happy to see him leave. Okay. But I am happy to see him go, you know, pursue his dreams and succeed. Yeah. But it's, yeah, it's, I know tomorrow is going to be a bad day. I can imagine. You're saying goodbye. Lafu niwe wu me back in yuma. You know, like you're behind. You know, being left is even worse than the one who's going sometimes. Do it. And then, you know, when someone is dope, is jealous. It's, it's, it's, I know it'll be a very emotional day. That's why I'm not even talking about it today. But I'm going to say, ma, how are you feeling? I'm like, let me alone. What is that one thing you're going to miss about him? Ah, laughing through the morning. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, because I mean, last time is everything. You know, because we start off our morning with a whole lot of laughter. Then I update him with the stuff that I've done since I've last seen him. He tells me the stuff that's happened in his life. Since the last time I saw him, to check it, fani kazi, it's, it's been a joyous journey with Jalango. I mean, I'm going to check it out. I'm going to check it out. I feel you, I feel you, see Jali, I hope the person will come in next. Since Nona, how do you, Bado, watch out for what you're going to say to anyone? But whoever is coming next, just like, please know, you have very big shoes to fill. So whoever is going to come next, don't come and play around. Yeah. Kusikuja ya ni tmethika apa na jalasa la futurudisha chini. Yeah. Please, put your best foot forward. Know that the guy who was there before you was great. And you can't afford to bring anything other than that. Clearly. Period. Talking about big shoes, you know, when Jalango came on radio with you. Yeah. As your, you know your co-host. Yeah. Did you feel any sort of pressure when he was coming in? Because he's been on radio for a very long time, you know? Did you feel some sort of pressure, you know, having him on air, what people are going to say about your, you know, your chemistry. Chemistry name. You know, I've been friends with Jalas for a long time. Oh, okay. Jalas knew me, even when I was still married. Aha. So I've known Jalango for long. So it was like being given a job with your friend. Yeah. So I didn't feel any pressure for me. I, a lot of guys were very skeptical. A lot of guys were like, oh, it can't work. They are so different. In my head I'm like, you guys know nothing. Yes. You know, but for me it was very easy. Working with Jalas was not moving from a previous host to him was not hard at all. If anything he made my work so much easier. Okay. Within a week we had already gotten everything. You know, we built that show in two days. We did two days of workshops the whole day. And on Monday we were on air. Wow. And they wanted to put us on air a week later, but Jalas told our boss, no, us will go on air on Monday. Yeah. You guys do the imaging, prepare everything, the sweepers, the drops he lucky to us on Monday took a hewani. We're not wasting any time. Yeah. And we started on Monday and it just went and again. It just went. That was what? Twenty, twenty-twenty-one. No, the end of twenty-twenty. Twenty-twenty, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, okay, and it's been a good ride for sure. What? It's been an epic ride. Yeah. Amazing. I'm really hoping the person that can't be next just is able to do the same thing that he did. He used to do and just have chemistry because at the end of the day chemistry is everything. Yeah, I think chemistry is the hardest part of it. But, you know, it's a job. So, I can really have chemistry with anyone. Babe, if they brought you to the studio and I'm told this is my new kohost, we'll be best friends. We adapt. And we will just have to adapt because it's a job. At the end of the day, we have to put our best in forward. Kavisa? Anyway, now, talking about your homa kohost, given a chance to work with Kibbe again, would you actually do that? Kohost with him and is there something that you'd prefer to change in your working relationship? No, I wouldn't work with Kibbe again. Okay. I think also I'm older, I'm a totally different person. So, it probably wouldn't work. Hey, Amili has been placed. Okay, probably you'll pay it more than that for the radio Africa. But a good amount of money has been placed. Like how? No. Like a good amount. Something that could even change your life in a month's time. So, that's Teseke. U na Teseke aji. Kwan u luku na Teseke aji, mama? U luku na Teseke aji. Nabilia, we thought you guys were doing good. Mispendi pesaya raka. I would agree for it. No, I think we're different people. He's a different person. I don't think to take it too far if we have to work together again. Money is not a big thing to me. You cannot offer me enough amount of money to trade my peace of mind. No, sure, ever. That's why let me just work. I'm okay with my life when I go. If I need more money, it will come. Chapi ga kazi na charity will make those money. But I would never compromise my peace of mind, peace of life for any amount of money. Ever, ever, ever. Peace of mind is everything. What? Atunipatia 50 billion, miyende ku Teseke every day of my life. Niku niliya kwa Range Rover. Wachekai. I don't even like Range Rovers. I don't like Range Rovers. No way, I can't. Do you believe in best friends forever? Because you might have fallen out with a few friends of yours here and there. We saw you guys also close with XT and you fell out. Do you believe in best friends forever now? I mean, you see there are things that put people together forever. And such relationships, let's call them, are not based just on friendship. It's the same way you want to be with the person that you're married with forever because you love them. What puts you together is things like companionship, respect, comfort, peace of mind. So if I say someone like now I have a BFF, best friend forever now would be charity. Charity is my manager, she handles all my business, but she's also the person who knows all my secrets, knows me the best, knows every aspect of my life. Someone I can talk to and I believe she talks to me. So within us working together, you see the business that we have created together, we've also formed a really great friendship. So because of the business, we have to respect the friendship a lot and we do respect our friendship. And our friendship is one of the things that hold, that will hold us together forever together with the business. So I do, but at the same time, I don't believe in holding on to people. If we're just friends and you're being a monkey friend, cut them off. Toka. Yeah. Why? There's no need to go about life with excess baggage. Like last year, I patched a lot of people out of my life. I was like, who are you gonna do nini a patoka? Yeah. You know what value are you bringing in? You first of all, you have a nasty attitude. Get out. Get out, yeah. No, I need such attitude. And it's okay. But I want guys to know, be able, be able, be able to let people go. You don't have to hold on to people, especially if they're not serving your happiness, your purpose or your peace of mind. Iku shikiliati, no, but you know we've been friends since We've been friends. Memories. Memories you can create with anybody. Don't carry people in your life that serve no purpose. I mean, what is memories again? What is that? When it's time to go, it's time to go. We can have memories ajarna. I know, right? Last weekend. You can create memories every other day. We're going to create memories today and tomorrow and the day after. So, I mean, let's hold on to the more fundamental things in our lives. Yeah. Then also you see personally, I've actually just come into times with every step of my life, I might meet new people who become very close to me. Like, you know, Kitambo, you used to wonder why our parents did not longer friends with suji kina, who now I understand. Kavisa? Every part of your, every step of your life, you might meet this new people who are supposed to be in your life. Exactly. And you have to shed off the guys who are from your previous part of your life to accommodate this nuance. 100 percent. Sayizi mufanyakazi SPM, you guys get syndicated, maybe by, you know, e-news Africa. Yeah. You know, then you guys become the e-news of Kenya. Mazi wanzikupata do wa zimu. Yuhuku hanging out with the billionaires, the bezels and the what. Yeah. Are you going to be bringing the chick you are in primer with? Nasi okubaya. Ezin, you can't. Yeah. Because now you'll have another crop of friends who will understand this new phase of your life. And you must because the guys in your past sometimes are not meant for your future. For sure. I agree. Now, you know, aside from that and talking about holding on. Yeah. You've been, you know, in a sort of something that was going into a marriage and you broke it off Kitambos. Now, what is it that you'd like to tell someone who is in an abusive relationship, a woman who is in an abusive relationship and they are just unable to walk away. And it's easier say it than done when it comes to just walk out and go. They're probably not even financially stable to walk out of that marriage. They have kids. What is it that you'd like to encourage that person who is watching you today? One, you'd rather your health and the safety of your kids and you than this financial stability. Okay. Kukula hao takosa kukula walae. Kula laa hao takosa malia kupeleka wa toto walae. You know, it could be your sister's house. It could be your folks. It could be my house. It could be anybody's house. But your safety and the safety of the kids who depend on you for their safety is paramount. Most women believe that when they're living men who are abusive or are in control of their lives, even financially so, that you won't be able to survive because you don't have as much money as he does. Imagine you can get that money and sometimes you don't even need that amount of money. Do you know what traumatizes kids the most in these abusive relationships? Kondatu you mums who are in abusive relationships and you're hanging in there for your kids. You're actually causing more damage to your kids being there as opposed to living. Do you think you're hanging in there because your kids need this? You know what your kids need? Your kids need a full night's sleep. Your kids need not to be here and you scream in the middle of the night. Your kids don't want to hear your husband or your boyfriend to kanaing you or beating you. That stuff stays with them for a very long time. And if you think you're hanging in there for the kids 15 years down the line your kids are struggling with depression, with bipolar, with post-traumatic stress disorder, with trauma and you have to now start looking for how you're going to help fix a kid that you broke. It's not worth it. I know it's easier said than done but if you can't think for your own safety please think about your kids safety because this person can do that to you. When you're not there do you know what they're doing to your kids? A lot. So just leave. Imagine what I make you do. You know when I achanad when me and my ex-husband went parted ways? I came back to Kenya and I started my life from scratch. From scratch guys, from scratch. Did I die? You didn't. Now look at you right now. I was 25 then. I'm 29 now. 4 years. 4 years. 4 years. I mean I was born in a village. I just figured let me go do it. But when I came back I moved into my folks house. Two months later I was out. The day I moved into my folks house that same day I went to meet my former employer where I was supposed to be doing a workshop. He offered me back now a job and gave me a promotion as the head of news for that entire station just like that. Asked me to quote my price. I quoted. I got the job. A month later I got my first salo. Second month I put those two salos together. I was out. And you start life. It is possible. But then you'd be so shocked that abusive relationship that you insist on holding onto is probably the one that's blocking all of your blessings. 100% by the way. And what Kamehna is this? Generally trying to say it's about perspective. Sometimes you don't even need the money. Trust me you don't even need the money. You'd be so shocked what a full night of sleep can do for you. I know. Imaji Ulale from 7 to 7 aku na mtu maiku buruga usiku aku na mtu maiku tukana there's been no war there's been no ahala Imaji Numelala tu me amka. Yeah. And imagine you know all this things I blamed him in how we were raised in the African culture. Oh the ones from Seen in the Shubhanana Onajwa. Alapuza. Tena wu me gonjeka wu me kwa mundawa gimu tu na hold onto. Wale watu tu kufuna hold onto. I don't know where to help them. Exactly. Sad. Leave, leave, leave run. Ata ni pigiwa si muntafse. Umethia, Kameni is open to do that. Just leave. Mama, you made a post about mental health on Twitter. MKOT went crazy. Looking back, is that a moment of regret or if it is what it is that happened? How do you look at that situation? One, I think that situation happened very, very wrong. Yes. I sometimes I don't like to talk about it because it has bigger consequences on other people. It wasn't my post, okay? There was something, I was trying with a group of young guys who wanted to handle my pages. And I think they thought it was funny or cute. So you know, you just hand over the account and you're like, you're supporting young people who want to do epic things. And you're like, okay, so I believe in the vision. And I think they did their thing. I'm the one who paid the price. But they are young, they made a mistake and it was a very, very painful mistake because we lost quite a bit. The brand lost quite a bit. But I would hate for them to be the ones to pay the price. I was like, you know what, it's okay. Mume nesh, lakini, I can't work with you guys anymore. Yeah, the damage has been done. But I'll ensure no one knows it was you. So when the two coinje, just keep on hustling. At least I hope you've gotten a lesson from all of this. But yeah, that was just a terrible situation. It wasn't supposed to go that way. Yeah. That is such a sad situation. Because I mean, they are like, hey, we are working with Kamene, we want to put our best food forward and then boom, trending. Well, it guy, you know, I didn't even know. I was getting waxed. When I saw all of that stuff happening. So I just get a call from one of my pals. Are you okay? I'm like, not really. I'm currently getting waxed. So things are not okay. But me, I went on that Twitter, I was like, but something has gone wrong. I'm not going there. But yeah, it was unfortunate. But you live and learn. For sure. Human error happens a lot. KOT can go harm on people. Sometimes they are doing a good job. Other times they've just been bullying. Do you have a message for KOT bullies? But what would you like to tell them? Nothing. Yeah, let them just be. I mean, everyone has their place in this grand scheme of things. You know, like even if you look at ecology, everything in the world has its purpose. Kuna mana yeimti, you know. There's a reason this bird is over there. There's a reason for the clouds and the wild. So that's your purpose. It's okay. Yeah, it's okay. Well, KOT, don't want it. Kamene, I'm okay. Your story is about nothing. No, it's of course we have to get a little bit more political, especially because you know Jalas is going into politics here. And we've seen a couple of newton artists come out, influencers, they're all aspiring for a political seat here. What are your thoughts about everyone just coming up and wanting to be a politician? And do you feel that it's a guarantee that if you're an artist and you have a following, then you're a good politician? Do you feel that? You know what I think makes a good politician is someone who knows what the people need and will commit themselves to giving the people what they need. It doesn't matter what job you do, the number of followers that you have. You see what we need in Kenya is people who are doing things. We've had too many people who are not doing things. There are many guys who voted in just because they are popular. There are many guys who got there just because they had the right name or came from the right part of the country. And what have we ended up with? A banana republic where nothing works. An expensive one for that matter. Where nothing works. A good politician is someone who knows what I need, what you need, what Lucy who serves us need, what Shirou need, what Roba needs. Put that all together and find a way to give it to us as quick as possible, as painlessly as possible. To all of these super influential young guys who want to run. One, please just be serious about it, okay? Yeah, but I feel like we have a couple of jokers to be honest. I feel like people are even just in clout with this political thing. Let's not make a joke out of one of the most contentious elections that we're going to have as a country. We're going to move into the second phase of devolution. A lot of governors are leaving. We're going to have a change in the presidential formula and a drastic one. We don't know which way it's going to go. Our front runners are not clear. People are being split by age, by region. This has been the lowest voter registration turnout the country has ever had. It's a big election. The most expensive one as well. Let's not make jokes about it. Let's not. You can't play. We can make fun of everything, yes? But let's at least take something seriously. Because when you guys start making jokes out of this, they think all of us are jokers. You know? One is so and so I'm a small man and I take a course GMP, wawapi na wapi. And you see someone like Jalagon who's taking it very seriously. And immediately there will be some people who will try and make that connection that I love that Jalagon is not serious. When Jalagon is actually on the ground trying to do some great stuff for people in Langata even before he gets the seat. So take it seriously and let's not make a monkey out of this election. Yeah. What is Jalagon was when the strong strength, its strongest trait that makes him a good politician. Jalagon will not slip until something gets done. Yes. And if he said he's going to do it. Yeah, he's gonna do it. He will not slip. I see guys come to the studio all the time. I need school fees, I need rent, I need to go to the hospital, I want, I want, I want. If he commits to you, he'll commit to you. And he might not even have the money then but he'll organize and like Menjeni to me, I'm a who, who, who, what and mobilize and... So if he says he's going to do something, he gets it done and he will not slip until it's done. So he's a doer and he does quickly and to a tea. Kabisa? Do you feel like, for example, getting into journalism, doing what you do, do you really need a course for journalism? Because we have so many people that are complaining oh what wana peruakazia journalism, oh awadifanya journalism, what are your thoughts about that? Sumiwa studied law. Right? Yes. Studied law. Yeah. I'm not working in law. Yes. I work in broadcast media. So you call it broadcast media? Yes. Inasmuch as I haven't studied broadcast journalism, or media, it doesn't mean I didn't want to. Remember, I also probably missed out on an opportunity and I did miss out on the opportunity to study it, but I did something I wanted to do, so I made sure I did it. You see, also at the same time, what you're taught in school, okikuja kwa studio, very little of what you're taught there is here. Okuele, theory now, I was actually just telling my colleague right now, theory and practical. Yes. Air, two different things. Imagine someone who is studying radio, if you come to my studio, you won't be able to run the desk. For sure. You don't know the software. You'll have to learn on the job, which is what I did. I learned on the job. So yes, I didn't go to university to study journalism, but I was in that studio every day in class learning how to do what I do. So I also had to learn. And let me tell you, learning on the job is one of the most fundamental skills you're ever going to get in media. Media is so dynamic. It changes every day, especially with how technology is changing. Sayizibe, you're going to do a whole show with one camera, two lights and a microphone. And it will go, and if it will be watched, it will be broadcast. A hundred per fence. Did anyone teach you how to do this in school? No. You see, when you were in Kenya mass, when my mum was teaching you media law and whatnot, when you talked about the laws that govern digital media, probably not. No, it was analog those days. Because there is no law that governs digital media right now in Kenya. So okay, I get you studying and that educational experience is something that a lot of us prioritise. But learning on the job for me has been the biggest learner, biggest, biggest opportunity to learn. And media changes every day. So forget about the books. Ingiya kwa grao na ufanya kitu. Maybe actually, I think it for first system, it's supposed to open your mind. It's not supposed to give you a job. It's supposed to open your mind. Let me tell you, you look at the guys who are making money, selling like, who are they? For our trendy. These guys who sell swimwear in bikinis. Yes. These guys have built an empire and a half. Yes. From swimwear. A hundred percent. Which university, which marketing degree is going to go tell you, the best way to approach leisure business would be to go for holidays g-wad, g-wad, wad, wad, wad. No one. The only way you're going to make it is kwengiya kwa grao na kulaan. Inqually by the way. Ya. A kuna mtwaneza kwanza. Ay. Wapi. Inqually by the way. What do you think of gender roles? Of course gender roles are still very, it's a big thing. It's still a very big thing. Especially in our sector, that's for sure. Ya. So do you feel like, you know, women are still expected to do some things and men are still expected to do some things? I think it's still, it's still harder for a woman to equate herself to a man in media. You have to do a lot more work. Okay. Ya. At home. Everywhere. You have to be passed on your feet, you have to be less emotional. Kus if you're emotional or passionate about something, ah, une de manakuanga tuivo. You know, you need to have a better way to deliver your mind without people thinking that you're emotional. Ya. You know, you have to be there earlier, leave later. It's, it's harder, but it's gratifying because once you get to that position of a claim, Ya. which we're still trying to achieve, by the way. Mhm. Then you have earned that position. You look at all of the hard work and you're like, ah. Ya. You know, look at the Juli Gishuru's of this world. Yes. Now she is sitting at the head of the Mastercard Foundation. You know. Ya. When it comes to PR and relations and the likes. Yes. You know. It's not like it's been an easy journey for her. Juli has put in twice the amount of time, twice the amount of work, then most of her male counterparts in the sector. But now that she's positioned herself, she doesn't have to work every day. Juli can work twice a month and be good to go. Mhm. You get. Ya. So it's a lot of work. Don't be cheated. Ya. And there are also going to be a lot of women within the industry who dilute the work that we do because horizontal promotions are still a thing. Ya. Sure, they are. We still have a long way to go. Still a thing. But you refuse chapakazi and gain annual respect, babe, annual respect. It's not easy, but please earn it. You know when you speak to a man, a man is going to tell you that women put more work. We have to put more work. Then when a woman talks to you, they'll be, they'll tell you the same thing. We have to put in more work. Do you feel we will ever get to a point where we can actually, you know, just agree that we all just need to put in the work? Never ever. Really? Never ever. Kus you know, there's such a huge disparity in the gender gap. Ya. Men want to position themselves as men. Ya. Women want to position themselves as women. Ya. So you know, it's the battle of who's working harder and you know, men will always think they work harder, women will always think they work harder. Kuna mali tuta skizana. Because the minute tuki skizana, then it means ati we're on the same level. And nobody is ready for that. Ya. So, just put in the work. Man or woman, lemme tell you, we're, panya kazi tu. What are you gonna tell your kids? You know when it's time to have your kids, what are you going to tell them in terms of new gender equality? Ah, kids not in my plan. Next. Eh, eh, eh, eh. Okay. What did you, what did you just say? Another question. You don't plan to having kids? No. It's looking a bit tedious. Oh. Eh, you don't, okay. You don't think you might change your mind? It's final. Like you don't know. I don't think so. Eh. Ya. I mean it's like, no kids are a sacrifice. They are. They are. It's a lot of work. And isn't it good that I realise it's a sacrifice that I probably don't want to make? It's not time you feel like you'd want to see your kwaianki just working out. I don't know what, you don't know whether that's some vanity. You feel the love. And you just want to see a little version of yourself moving on. No. I don't want to see a little, what will I do with a little version of me? No. Okay. The thing is, I've lived the better part of my life. Parenting everyone. Ya. Now I can just do me. Yes. And I'm going to do that for as long as possible. Ya. And kids are expensive. School fees, healthcare. Ah. They are. Man, you know like, I want my kids to go to a better school then I want the one I went to. Ya. That's a lot of money. Ya. That is so much. That means earlier, mornings, later, nights. 100%. And are you willing to make that sacrifice of your life? That sacrifice. Imagine it takes like 2 million as it is just to give birth. The way you want to give birth. Kibira Siddhika style. Do you have 2 million right now to do that? Kwaafi. Mi Sina. Kata uja chave lina. Isi ja yanda Santorimi. I haven't been to Jamaica. Nipote 2 million right now. Am I going to get pregnant or travel? Travel. Travel. Guys, we have this on documentation 10 years from today. We will get it in the archives. And see if Kavenia has chosen them. Babe, you will find me on my yacht with Charity having a ball. Hey, Charity, tia liyamu ataki watoto. Charity. Eh? Charitya besema asi kwe involved in our story. I just said in 10 years we will be on a yacht. Ya. In package or not. Ya. Ya. Okay. There's no problem. All right. You know Kamene, chauvinu bim, feminine bim. It's something that is very, very talked about you know in our country or just generally you know in the world. Ya. And as Africans I feel like we still have a long way to go to just understand what exactly are we doing. Ya. Are you a feminist? No. You're not? No. What do you think is how do you describe a feminist? I mean like how it says in the dictionary wa chaeli anya sisi tuna jwa kamas jwa Kenya. Ya. Jwa feminism ikona a different meaning in Kenya. You know like the Chimamandas Ya. are the feminists. Ehe. And she's a right aspect. I think she embodies the right essence of feminism. Uh huh. I think now what happened later on is people took generals and started attaching personal experiences, radical stand-up points, you know, misplaced propagations of what men or women should do which is now where we have those two extremes. Ya. I think for me I want us to see beyond gender. And personally if you know me I'm tired of gender wars. I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. I'm not pro-women anti-men or pro-men anti-women I'm pro-human beings. Ya. You know. Ya. How about we're just respectful and nice to each other and work together. At the end of the day man or woman and we still the same inhabitants of the same earth. At the end of the day. You know. I'll talk to you today I'll talk to Obina the next day I'll talk to Ofoneke the next day. Am I going to take you guys differently because of your gender? No. No. You guys are all human beings and I want us to I wish we could stop thinking and looking male-female because I think that's what distorting our interaction. Ya. You know. And it's really doing a big harm to us. You know. To everyone. Just look at a person like a person. Ya. A human being with a beating heart just like your blood that runs through their veins. Ya. Simple. Not when they're left. To be very easy by the way. Because I'm like eh chauvinism. You look at some of the things that come under that and I'm like okay this is a bit radical. Ya. Feminism now what comes under that extremely radical. Ya. It feels like there's so much hate in between there and it's unnecessary. You guys I'm all for love not war. Ya. So no. I wish we could just let's just look at each other like human beings. Ya. You know? Ya. Guys. You must care. Sendio. Let's talk. This is Africa. Ash. Your baby. My baby. It has really grown. Sana. Let me ask you when you scared to take an event in Mombasa because you know you feel like Mombasa people are quite a tricky audience. Sana. Mama niwa. Unatuanga watu nae robi wanafikadi Mombasa. No. She be the most of the people. Aha. This is Africa is for Mombasa. Yes. I mean you see one thing we realize and I think with and maybe even to young event promoters because I see a lot of you guys trying to do the most don't create an event for the sake of creating the event. Ya. Who are you creating it for? Ya. You know? Who's going to come? And why will they come? I realize because I used to go to Mombasa a lot because I had a lot of gigs there. Ya. I used to activate a lot of hotels even just for social media. A lot of people would live in Mombasa. So me I'm flying in on Friday. Yes. A lot of guys are living in Mombasa on Friday to come to Nairobi. So they can go to DNM Park so that they can go for CG I don't know Koroga or CG they can go for Nini because they want to get in the level of entertainment they wanted in Mombasa that they could get in Nairobi. Nairobi ya. So I'm like okay so you guys have the money to come and party like Nairobi and even bring yourself to Nairobi. Wouldn't I be able to make so much more if I brought a Nairobi or a cosmopolitan experience Yes in Mombasa. To Mombasa. Closer to you guys. Ya. Ya. Where you can listen to all types of music that's working for you. You brand it with our continent. So I can play all African music but something that you then join something that's different from all of the entertainment experiences that you have in Mombasa. Ya. And it's very simple things that they used to tell us. You know they want they want big DJs. They want a well thought out concept. Ya. They want to go somewhere where they'll be able to dress up and take photos and you know feel nice. Ya. Babs want to be baby girls the guys want to you know they want to chill with the big boys. Ya. Ya. And you have to talk to your audience to understand what they want. Most event promoters are not doing that. So we just started having the conversation now I say on Mombasa. Ya. Then we did the first one. Then the second one. Ya. Then the third. Then the fourth. Ya. This Saturday it will be number seven. Yes. We grew the first crowd we had was about 500, 500 almost 600 people. Ya. I was ecstatic. I was like Ya. This is a big deal now. Ya. It's your first event. Ya. Then the second one it was like a thousand now. Ya. And then the third one and the fourth and now there are thousands and I'm like wow. Persistence. But it's because they know the experience that we consistently give them. Yes. That it's for them and they know it's for them. So they feel special. They know that this is something that was created for them. Ya. You know they even tell us the DJs that they want. They tell us the artists that they want. Me, I'm just a service provider by them. Ya. And that's what you are. You can take to them what they want. But they never ask you what is the problem. Kwa gate. To send a kwa gate. Ya. What's the problem? Meha evi evi evi evi. But this is Africa, it's been a learning experience and a half. What? Yes. What is the most challenging thing that you didn't know about? You're like eh, I knew there would be challenges but this one. Working with men. Eh, how was that? How was it? What? It's not easy. Eh. Ya. And the easy thing is like so we're four directors. Ya. Only for the, this is Africa, it's a company with four directors. Mm hmm. So I'm the only chick. Yes. And I'm the youngest. Okay. But I'm the most stubborn. Yes. And what I want done, if I told you, it has to be done. It has to. So it's difficult sometimes for them to understand that's how I am. But they've come to understand it after doing seven additions. But also just, I don't know, you know, I don't know how to say. Men are, men are also very set in their ways. So you see the way me, I know this is what I want. Yes. And I know this is what I want and it has to go like this. Yes. Because I know the only way it will work is like this. Yes. Is the same way men are. Ya. So everyone thinks they are right. And more often than not, I'm right. All the time I'm right. But that has been it. Also, male ego is a big thing. So balancing three. It's not. But I love my partners. They are amazing. They are my brothers. We've come from far. Tumbesumbwana, they understand me better than most. And we've built a very successful business together. So it's not always easy. Because I'm the youngest and I'm a chick like I tell you. So you don't have to seem like you. You need to put more effort. You need to bring more concrete ideas on the table. You have to argue more. But they've been extremely supportive. They listen after I throw my tantrums. Yes. Because I throw them. Ya. And it's not been easy but it has been the best experience working with the three of them. Ya. Then also you see at the end of the day you have, you guys have a goal. You have a common goal. Of course. You see at the end of the day we all know where we want to go. Exactly. So the greater good is what always wins. Ya. Then also you see as women I feel like if you're able to just to control your emotions then you're good to go. Like you can just face anything. Like I'm not an emotional person. Ya. What I'm is very headstrong. Ya. And how is in Nambia. Ya. And sometimes what they don't like about me they'll be like no, kame ne let's not do this. Ya. I'm like no but I want to do it. Ya. And they'll be like no kame ne because of XYZ nini nini and I'll keep quiet. And then two days later I've done it. Ya. Then I tell them whether I did this. And it's actually working. I just I'm like whether I did this and this and this. Ya. It's okay. Ya. But they're amazing young men. Amazing. Amazing. They're coming up events. When is it? What's happening? It's this weekend the 12th. Okay. We have 8 DJs. 8 DJs. Ya. You have decided people have to go down to Mombasa. Ya. Because there's so many events happening this weekend. Oh, oh yeah. No even if you're not coming to Mombasa it's fine. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. But all you're saying is you have 8 DJs? I have but I think I have all of the top DJs on my line up I think. Yes, I still have 8. Hey. I have 8 DJs. I have an artist. Yes. Surprise artist. Okay. From Kenya, it's Africa, Africa, Pludge. Kenya. I really want to promote Kenya an artist by the way. Really, really want to promote Kenya. We are going to take a picture ma'am. Sure. 8 top notch. Goja, goja guys. At around 3pm inshala. You will know who that artist is. So it's a really dope artist that is going to be a surprise for guys who will be coming through. There are also a couple of different things we'll be doing when it comes to the music. We've changed up a couple of DJs. So it's going to be a different experience but what I can guarantee you is you're not going to get a line up and an entertainment experience anywhere in Mombasa, on Nairobi or Kisumu or Eldoret. Like the one that I am planning for you guys this Saturday. Yeah. I am just... I am just going to... We are going to do it because of that particular event. Pressure, pressure, pressure. But as in eh, it's what it is. All of those cream, kalonje, katrix, bones, ronal, lenium, t-rex. As in guys, you are not even ready. I mean, that's crazy. MGM, where are you going to get all of those guys on one stage in one place? Eh, Mombasa, with a breeze right here at the beach in Nini. You know, Mazen. I can imagine. So that's tough. You guys should come to for this Africa, by the way. Should you must? Yes. Indio, let's come and have fun. It's so much fun. January, May, Shaffa, Nui, Apatino. This Africa is cheap. The most expensive ticket is maybe at the gate, which is at G. I mean, why should you... We're also going to... We'll be doing a flash sale on Thursday. Okay. Where you should be able to get two tickets for 1000. We also have group tickets that are also significantly less. As in, it's a very cheap experience for you to enjoy, but you get there. No regret. What? You're just waiting for the next, you know. Make you be so surprised. Even some of the stuff we've changed up with our concept, the look and feel, entertainment wise. Like... So even if you're a regular visitor, regular guest for this is Africa. Oh, this is different. Coming to you, it's coming. A lot. A lot of stuff is going to be different. Kudama pema gets a nice cute spot. It's going to... I wish I could say, Mo, I really wish. They need to come and see now. It's going to be fun. I think you've actually done enough. Yeah. Now it's for them now to just come and give us feedback. Indio, kukianda this is Africa. Apu chiniko, comment section. U kudu utwambie, how was your experience? Indio, kame niya tathoma. Indio, kama kuna kitu, wanafua abadilisha kikidogo. Walaimani. Indio. I'm giving you something almost near perfect. Yes. Like the last one was yani tuatii. This one now we've amplified so much more. Yeah. Kujeni tu. Guys, please come to Fotesis Africa. Now to Kimalizia. What cha tu ni, Malizia na mula moa. Wow. Beef, beef. What's happening? Yani, mtawa ii kwa marafiki tena. We wanna have our friends to begin with. Okay. Yani, mtawa ii onge akama watu wanapenda na? It's not that I hate him. I just don't like him. And I'm not that even mean. I'm not beefing with him because every time I get an interview people ask me this question. And I answer without fear. You know. Because he's just not the kind of person that I like. We wanna have our friends so we will never be friends. I don't think our paths will cross anywhere. Yeah. And should they, it's not like I'll kill him. But I mean it's... It is what it is. You know? I think we're totally different people on two totally different trajectories and I have no interest in forming any relationship or whatever or friendship or anything with him. What cha andelena maisha ya ke? Yes. O reka mene. Thank you so much for speaking to SPM Buzz. Anytime. Thank you guys for having me. You guys are dope. Thank you mama. Thank you asante sana. I've always looked forward to this interview by the way and I'm glad we can talk. I love it. You know? Just an extension of girl talk that you do every morning. Yes. And this was very interesting. Thank you so much for sharing your words and your thoughts with us. And you know just talking to people and just giving them your experience about life. And continue doing the good work you guys are doing. I love that you guys are always ahead of every single story. There's one thing I love about SPM. You guys are current and you're so dedicated to your job. So keep on doing it. We shall support wherever. Asante. Mi noana tum kikua wukwa tu alu skadash and guys we're on the red carpet. What? How are we doing? Ha ha ha ha. Namkudye this is us. Please and thank you. Amen to that we are coming. Mume skia. Yes. Buzz. Please ukionahi microphone. You say hi. We do a couple of interviews here. Yes. Yes. A hundred percent. Thank you mama. Anytime baby girl. Asante sana. Guys that was kame ne goro. The beautiful. The successful. You know. And everything nice. Thank you for sharing us. You know with us your thoughts. Anytime. Asante sana now guys. This was Buzz with stars right here on SPM Buzz. My good name is Miss Kitingi and until next time it's goodbye.