 Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to a new week. Let's just begin this time with a word of prayer. Can one of us please lead in prayer for Barkar? Yes, Master. Dear heavenly Father, we praise you, acknowledge your holy name. At this moment, we have come onto your throne of grace. Thank you for this wonderful opportunity to learn and grow together. Father, bless this class. Bless us all and all of our classmates and leaders, Holy Spirit, so that we can learn whatever you want us to learn and grow in you. Divine Grandfather, thank you so much. And I have this prayer in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Prabhakar. Okay, so what we did last week, we went from chapter 13. We talked about the great chapter on love. And how Paul sums up the entire chapter saying it's good that you all have gifts and you're flowing in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. But if you do not have love, it is just a sounding gong, which means everything that we do should be out of the basis of love. And then we went into chapter 14 as well. Well, in chapter 14, Paul talks about this very important two very important aspects in in terms of flowing in the gifts of the Spirit. One was speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues. So there were people Paul says in many verses, he says if somebody is speaking in tongues, let there be an interpreter. Why? Because he gives a couple of reasons. He says one because when we're speaking in tongues, we're speaking a heavenly language and not everyone can say amen to it because they don't understand it. Right? So if there is an interpreter, go ahead and speak in tongues, right? And this is mainly what he's talking about is in a public setting, so in a church setting. So Paul is not saying don't speak in tongues because he follows that up by saying that I speak in tongues more than any one of you, but I would rather speak one word of understanding in the church to help the church congregation. Right? So he's putting the emphasis, right? The gifts of the Holy Spirit is important. Speaking in tongues is important, but in a public setting, if you're speaking in tongues, have an interpreter, right? And then he also talked about prophecy, the gift of prophecy, right? We'll talk a little bit more. We're almost to the end of chapter 14. In the gift of prophecy, he says, I desire that everyone prophesy, but when you prophesy, do it in order, right? Don't just prophesy out of the blue or don't just prophesy in an unorderly manner. He says, let there be orderly worship, right? Orderly, an orderly service, right? So when you're speaking in tongues or when you're prophesying, let one person prophesy at one time. And if somebody is relating to that prophecy, let them acknowledge it and pray for it, right? And so he goes on to that chapter. Right now, we have stopped. Let me just pull up the notes. Yes. So we stopped at this order in exercise of spiritual gifts. So we'll continue from here. So that's from verse 26 onwards, right? So verse 26, chapter 14, verse Corinthians 14, 26 onwards, right? So let's go on. How's it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. So if anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or the most three each in turn and let one interpret. So you see here, Paul is saying, if anyone speaks in a tongue, so maybe the congregation, if there are 10 people, if there are three people who speaks in tongues, let each one of them speak at one time, take a turn, each one of them, and let one person interpret. So you see, he's going into the minute details on how we should exercise the gifts of the Spirit. Then he says, you're 28, but if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church and let him speak to himself and to God. So he's saying, in church, if there is no interpreter, it is better you pray with an understanding. And when in your personal time, you pray in the Holy Spirit, pray in the prayer in tongues. Verse 29, let two or three prophets speak and let the others judge. But if anyone is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. Sorry, but if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. Now the word here, I really like this word, it says that all may learn and be encouraged. So what is Paul emphasizing? Two things he's emphasizing. One is all can develop in the gift of prophecy. Two, we must learn how to release the prophetic word. And we've said this many times, the prophetic word is a word directly coming from God, but we are human vessels. So we can release that prophetic word sometimes in an arrogant way, or we may cut short some things from the prophetic word, or we may add additional things to the prophetic word. So Paul is saying that we may learn and that others may be encouraged. And verse 32, and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. And we all, I think many of us, we use this word, God is not a spirit of, not the author of confusion, but of peace. Now, why is Paul saying this? It is most probably that when the church is flowing in the gifts of the spirit, there was a lot of confusion. How, for example, there are three people prophesying in one corner, there are another three people speaking in tongues, and there's another person trying to interpret here, and so there was no order. Flowing in the gifts, very good, but there was no order. It was a lot of confusion. So what's happening? Now, if you picture it in the setting that we are in today, imagine a church with 50 people, 10 people are prophesying, 10 people are speaking in tongues, two people are praying for gift of healing, and it's all, there's no order. And so Paul is saying, God is not the author of confusion. So whenever we're having a, yes, it's the spirit of God, it is God ministering to us. But even when God ministers, he doesn't cause confusion. He does things in the right way in a proper manner. And so basically Paul is trying to encourage the church. He's not saying, don't flown the gifts. He's saying, when you do it, do it in an orderly manner. Now for us, it's very easy to, sometimes we may think, why didn't the Corinthian church just take turns and prophesy in order or speak in tongues in an orderly manner? Now, we must understand that over time, we have learned, and the church has grown as there's revelation upon revelation, and we have learned over time. But this is the early church, the first century church. They probably had no idea how a church looks like. And in Corinth, there was a Jewish colony. So there were a few Jews living, but it was mostly a Gentile church. So the Gentiles have no idea about worship or they didn't have no idea about flowing in the gifts of the spirit, how a church service looks like. They don't know. So Paul is trying to make them understand. You see, you notice here, Paul is not upset with them. In the first few issues, the apostle Paul was upset. He said, there is division, there is strife, there is the way you are taking the Lord's table is not in a worthy manner. And you're saying that I'm not an apostle and I'm not somebody who can speak into your life. So the first few issues, he was very upset with them. But here, he's being very kind, because he understands that they don't know about it. And so he's teaching them. So let's look at a few points here. Those speaking in tongues to a congregation, let me just highlight that. Those speaking in tongues to a congregation should pray for interpretation. And the interpretation could be brought forth by the same person who gave the message or by someone else, right? And he goes on at one point, at any point, let there be up to three people in front to give messages in tongues with interpretation. And I think in a time that we are in, even we can do this, right? Of course, it's very rare that we see people with the gift of interpretation of tongues. But there are people around us, there could be people around us. And if there is, there are people who are interpreting, give them opportunity, let them interpret, let them, because we know that, see Paul says, when I'm praying in the Spirit, 14 verse 14, he says, if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. So there's nothing wrong in interpreting and saying, hey, this is what you've been praying for. You've been praying for our government, for our leaders in the government. So it's an encouragement, right? And then he talks about prophecy. If there are prophecies being brought into the congregation at any point, let there be three people in front taking turns, one is speaking, others judge. In a sense, the others keep silent and listen. And this way all can take the prophecy, while others can judge the prophecy. Now remember, all prophecy must be judged. This means that if anything is wrong, it must be discarded. Okay, let me give you this example, why prophecy must be judged, right? I remember many, many years ago, you know, I just became a believer and, you know, my mother got me, actually, my brother and me, she got us a bike, right? And we were very excited. So we had to come to, we would come to college together. And one day this man of God came home, right? And the moment he came home, he's, and we were just there at home. And he said, he said, sell this bike, because I see that you are going to meet with an accident. And you're going to have an injury. And it's going to be a lot of problems. So before this bike gives you any problems or causes you to be in the hospital, better sell this bike. Now, what is the first response that we must have for this? Oh my God, God is, this bike is a curse, is it? I have to go and sell it. What was be the first response? I, the first thing I said is, I cancel that prophetic, that word in Jesus name, front of the pastor, right? He must have been a pastor for about 30 years in ministry. But I said, I cancel that in Jesus name, because what does the Bible say? The Bible says, I've come to give you life and life in abundance one. And God says, when he blesses us, he adds no sorrow to it. So the bike is a blessing from God. Why would he add sorrow to it? And God does not want us to, you know, meet with an accident. That's, that's, I just rejected it and I discarded the prophecy and I said, I cancel it in Jesus name. I still use that bike and I've never met with an accident. So all prophecy must be judged. The spirit of the prophet is subject. This is also very important, is subject to the prophet. So when we are working with the Holy Spirit, when we are releasing a prophetic word, we have control over when and how to release a prophetic word. For example, many a times, you know, we are during the worship time, maybe on a Sunday service, the worship is going on. We may have got a prophetic word, right? But I'm not going and saying, okay, worship leader, stop. I have a prophetic word so let me release that prophetic word now before I forget. I can't do that. Why? Because I'm, I, then I'll be disrupting the worship time, the worship service, the worship leader who's prepared and people are in worship. I can't go in between and say, stop. I've got a prophetic word, right? I have control, right? The Holy Spirit has given me the word, a prophetic word, maybe for somebody in the church or maybe for the nation, the city, whatever it is. But I have the control. So I can, I can wait. I can finish with the worship, finish with the announcements, finish through the preaching of the word of God. And then the end of the service, I can say, you know, this is a prophetic word that I have. I just want to release it. Now, how do I, how have we done it in an orderly manner? Right? So there are times, early morning, when we wake up for prayer on Sundays, in my personal time, I've got a prophetic word. I knew it was for the church, but I didn't go and say, okay, church has come. First, let's give the prophetic word. No, let the service go on, start the worship, finish with the word. And at the end of the service, I've given the prophetic word. Why? Because we are, we are subject to it. We are under control. Right? So we must know how to release a prophetic word, when to release and, and, and, you know, why to release it. Right? And even as we develop, it's not like I haven't made mistakes. We all have made mistakes. I personally have made mistakes while releasing prophetic words, but it's good that, so I learned over time. Okay, so when I release the word, I must be more, you know, more simpler in the way I release the message, use words and sentences that can help them understand, give examples through that prophetic word, give, try to give them a, you know, the understanding of that prophetic word that has been released. Right? So Paul is saying to the church, when you're speaking in tongues, when you're flowing in the gift of prophecy, do it in an orderly manner. Then he goes on to talk about women keep silent. Now, earlier in this chapter, in Chapter 11, Paul said that women can pray, women can prophesy in public, publicly in public gatherings, in church gatherings. He says that, right? He says that all including women are to walk in love, to walk in spiritual gifts, to prophesy. Everyone, including women, can flow in all the nine gifts of the Spirit. So what is Paul trying to communicate here when he's saying, what he's saying in verse 34 and 35? Let's look at it. Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home, for us to shameful for women to speak in the church. Now, when you look at this passage, and you look at it with one context, just thinking, okay, women should not speak in public gatherings. If you look at it that way, we will interpret these two passages in a very wrong way, and we can make our own dogma or our own understanding out of this. But what is Paul trying to say? Remember the head covering? It was for women who were married. Same thing goes here. The Greek word for women is gunay, which is a woman, a wife. So Paul is talking especially to married women. He's saying, if you get a prophetic word, women, you go back to your husbands, ask them, let them ask their husbands at home. Now, if it had to do with a wife wanting to learn something for which she speaks and asks her husband about the matter, then Paul is saying, see, if you look at this now, in the culture during that time, you had men sitting in one place, women sitting in another place. Okay, so it was a culture, even in Jewish synagogues, if you see here, you've got men in one place, women in the other place, and that customs is still followed in our nation, especially in India, the north of India, right? So we've got men and women who sit on two different sides in the church. But Paul is trying to bring this picture, right? He's saying, see, women, wife, if you have a prophetic word, if you have a word and you're not sure about it and you want to ask first thing, you ask your husband, don't stand up in the church and say, this is what I want to do. Don't disrupt the service or don't just say things which may not be effective at that moment, right? So he's saying, first, check with your husband. See, you can discuss the matter together if you want, right? That's why in this regard, Paul is saying, a woman, your first submitted to your husband, then comes the pastor and the prophet and all of that. First woman, a husband, husband, submitted to the woman, right? And so Paul is saying, in this matter, keep silent. He's not saying, don't talk, don't prophesy, don't speak in tongues. He's saying, in this regard, in the church, you keep silent, right? Because you willingly submit to your husband. Go back home. If you get a prophetic word, if you get a word of knowledge or anything, speak with your husband. Do it together, right? Discuss together, but don't disrupt the church service. Then he goes on here. So what does he mean to keep silent? Speak in tongues to the church audience, if there is someone who will flow in interpretation, then there he says, keep silent. So three places where Paul says, keep silent. If you're speaking in tongues, have an interpreter if not keep silent, two, take turns to prophesy. When you have delivered your prophecy, then keep silent and let someone else prophesy. Three, woman, if you have any questions in the church, this is what he's talking about right now. Woman, you may not understand a few things. If you have questions, don't, you know, don't stand up and disrupt the church at that time. Keep silent in church. Ask your husbands at home later on. So what does it say here? Now, if I look at it in a broader picture, and if I don't understand the scripture, it'll say that, hey, clearly women are not supposed to speak in the church, but that's not true. And I repeat this again, because Apostle Paul raised up many women leaders. For example, Lydia was, was a leader in the church. And I think it was Thessalonica. He was, she was a leader, a merchant in a plot merchant. And she was a leader on the church, Aquila and Priscilla. Priscilla again was the leader in the church. And so there is, there's, when we look at it, we must look at it taking into consideration the Greek, taking into consideration the cultural background. So when Paul is saying keep silent, he's saying, don't interrupt the church service at that moment, but go back home, submit to your husbands, ask them, and then you can come back. And if it's something that your husband says, okay, you can release the prophetic word. Maybe you can do that in the following weeks. Now, how do I put this in the setting that we are in right now? Now, I can't go home. Maybe women are there in a church, they can't go home and give, check with their husbands about the prophetic word and then comes to church the following. Now, we don't have to do that. Why? Because we understand that there must be order in the church. Remember, this is the early church, they don't know order in the church, they are still learning. But now we're in a time in a place where we have learnt over time. So even if women get a prophetic word, if people, if the pastor or the preacher is calling, they can come forward, give a prophetic word, but give it in the right way in an orderly manner. So we must understand these things. This is written to the early church, the first century church, they're still learning and they're still growing. And we are in a place where we have over time matured as a congregation, as a church of Christ. So we come to the end, verse 40, he says, let all things be done decently and in order. Right? So all the gifts of the Spirit, all the diversities of tongues, let everyone be encouraged as believers to flow in it. But when you're operating in these gifts, do it, let all things be done decently and in order. Why? Because God is the one who's giving us these gifts. God is not the author of confusion. Right? So we come to the end of this chapter, chapter 14. Any questions? Anyone has any questions regarding this entire chapter? Yes, just hold on. Yes, Mangi, please go ahead. Thank you, Pastor. Just a question on just the last part of chapter 14. One is the relevant of verses we just read now, one of the women keeping silent in the church. Is that verse still relevant today? Because today, we understand that every single person can be filled with Holy Spirit, every single person can preach. Secondly, for killing wives to go and ask their husbands home, what if those husbands did not know the word? Where were they leading their wives? Were they just causing confusion or just responding based on the question he was asked? Yeah. Thank you, so thank you, Mangi. Yeah, so the first answer to your first question is, Mangi, this is only for the church. It's not relevant now. Just like the head covering, right? It was for the women who were married, who had to cover their heads as a sign of submission to their wives, to their husbands. So right now, this is not relevant to us. It was only for the Corinthian church. Women don't speak, keep silent. It was only for the Corinthian church. Right? It's not relevant to us now. Right? So right now, women can preach, stage, prophesy, do everything. Right? Now two is in during that time, during the first century church, probably in the Corinthian church, now we must understand that many of these women have come from the, you know, their background has been an adulterous life, right? They were probably prostitutes and they were in the temple of Aphrodite. Now they've come out of prostitution and all of that, right? Now as prostitutes, they were, if you read about the culture of Corinth, you'll, you know, we learn so much from that. As prostitutes, they were very open. They never cared about what people think. They never cared about what the, you know, what civilians think or what leaders think. They were prostitutes. They were open about it. There were thousands of male and female prostitutes. They were open about it, right? Now these people, these prostitutes who are more open, more willing to, you know, talk out loud, they're not shy. They don't, they don't feel like, okay, I should keep quiet now. They're very open about their things. Now they have become believers and they've come into the church. Right? Now Paul says in 2nd Corinthians 517, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation. So what's happened here, Maggie, is in the church, these people who are prostitutes living in sexual immorality, they've become believers. Their spirit is new but their mind has not yet been transformed. Right? So they still feel that they can talk however they want to, behave however they want to and that they're doing in the church. Right? So Paul is telling them, listen, this is church. Right? And in church, you must submit to your husband first. Now whether the husband may not know much of the Word of God, that's all right. But you're submitting to the husband. Right? And that is priority for Apostle Paul. Right? He's saying, wife, you submit to the husband, whether he knows something, whether he doesn't know anything, whether he's a great person, whether he's just a simple man, you submit to your husband because God has ordained you to submit to your husband. That is number one. Now whether he doesn't know the Word and if he doesn't know the working of the Holy Spirit, then you can, you know, think of doing other things. Right? When we look at in Corinth, he says in many places, he says when you all meet on a regular basis, you all can, you know, break bread and meat. And so what I would say is, Maggie, what is Paul trying to say here? He's trying to say that, women, firstly, you submit to the husband and then you can be submitted to the church as well. Now if the husband doesn't know, then you can, you know, probably ask but not during the church service. You ask people, you know, there'll be times of fellowship, you ask, grow together, learn together. So, but the main point is one, it is not for the church today because women are allowed to preach, teach everything. Two, is he's just trying to bring that whole aspect of women. I know you all were living a very liberal life, doing whatever you felt like in the open, but now you'll have born again. You need to also change the way you behave. So first, submit to your husbands. Right? Ask them if you get a prophetic word. Ask them. Don't just go and do whatever you feel like and the husband will feel, hey, what am I here? Now, again, this again is subject only to the time of when the church was at Corinth. Right? So it's not applicable now. That's what I would like to say. Yes, say go ahead. Oh, thank you, Pastor. Why are you talking? I was, I completely agree with you and I'm all for the point that the instruction was specifically for the Church of Corinth. But again, I think the principle of submission goes a long way as something we can also learn, even though it was specifically for the Church of Corinth, because even in our church of today, there are still some element of insubordination. Let me use that word. Or wives trying to, or even let me say, generally women, and I'm not trying to bash women in any way, but I've just seen it in some instances where some women try or some wives try to be, it beats, I would say, pushy or in the sense they want to show that they know the word. So I think the principles, we can still learn in the sense that if a couple don't agree on something on the word, the church should not be the place where they argue about it, rather take it home and talk about it and see where they're missing it and try to understand. So I think that we can still learn the principle of submission, but I agree completely that this was an instruction specifically for the Corinth Church. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much, Sey. Yes, I would like to add that. That was very well put, Sey. Thank you so much. Sey says, the act, right? So the act is not something that we follow, but the principle is something that we have to carry. For example, Jesus washes disciples' feet. We don't have to go around washing people's feet. We don't do the act, but the principle is humility. So that's what Sey was trying to say. Thank you so much Sey. So the act of submission, the act of women to not preach, so in terms of women and husband, women go home and ask your husband, was basically the principle is submission. You submit to your husband. Right. That's nice. Thank you so much. Yes, Teisha, please go ahead. Hi, Pastor, I have one. I agree with Sey, but on a different side to this, why you find women today somewhat, some may say some are rebellious or because they feel they have to defend because some persons, even though it was the context with the earlier church, you have some ministers are still using this as a level of control. So you find that the woman now takes up this, it's some sort of disrespect, but they have to keep defending themselves. I have a right to be here. I have a right to be heard. So then you have now the feminists, and you have all these different people calling what they are, and it's a constant fight, a battle, and some say, you know what? I don't need a husband. I don't need a man because he puts me down or whatever, which are some person, they dislike the Bible because it seemed to be pointing in that regard. Why a man has to be heard over me, et cetera, which the principle is not for if the man, if you have a man that is godly, which is God is the head, and then the husband is supposed to be following God, and then you can submit to him and not feel, it's not a level of control, it's not slavery. And so you feel your voice can be heard respectfully and support you, and you can disagree to agree, et cetera, and discuss in your own private space. But some do not agree, even to this day. And that's why you have the breakaway from marriages, et cetera, and it spills over in other areas of society. Yes. Yes, that's very true, Tehisha. Thank you so much for sharing. I would like to add this, in a time that we are in, and there are some wonderful women who have started their own ministries, and we don't even know their husband's names. So they've started their own ministries, and they're doing so wonderfully, blessing the body of Christ, just powerful ministries. But one thing that we always encourage is it's good, because when women take up that whole call of God upon their life, and there's a calling, they take it up, they do well, and they just raise up in the ministry, and they raise up leaders, they're doing really well in the ministry. But we must always, women must always remember that at home, they're not a pastor, right? And even men, I would say even men, right? Men also, we can have the greatest ministry and all of that. But at home, we are not a pastor. We are husband and wife. Right? And the women also must understand that however big their ministry is, however well they're doing, God may be using them very greatly, but your husband may be somebody who's just working a nine to five job, yet you are to submit to your husband. And why, and husbands again, you may be a, we may be great in our ministry, having a great work, and God is just using us so powerfully. But we must remember that our wife is our helper, and we need to be together and honor them. And so at home, it's always husband and wife, it is not pastor and wife or pastor and husband, it is not that way. So that is a distinction that we must learn to draw. Right? So, especially as minister, because we're so used to people calling us pastor, people calling us this, we're giving us so much of importance, you know, we have to go here, we have to do this. And we forget the small things. Hey, I've got a home, and at my home, I'm not a pastor, just a husband, I'm a father, or at home, I'm not a, I'm not a, you know, a prophetess. I'm just a wife, and I will submit to my husband. And I'm just a mother here. And so I want, so there are two different, these are two different places with two different callings. And so thank you, Tehisha, for sharing that as well. Thank you. Right. Yes, Louis, go ahead. Good morning pastor, good morning everyone. Just on the last side track, if I can run this story quickly, there's a testimony I heard of a minister that, the anointing, yes, as a pastor in church, he does the prayers, and there's so much testimony in church, but they were struggling at home. On to the wife recognized the anointing on the husband's life at home, then the anointing began to work for them at home. So where do we bring in that also that balance, where we recognize the graces that the spouses carry, but at the same time, we have to function as husband and wife, but the grace also can function for them or for them at home. So where do we bring in that sense of balance, where we are not taking for granted, but at the same time, we recognize the graces that flow the space on the life, so we can work for them at home, because on to recognize the anointing of him as a pastor at home, before that I'm going to go work for her at home, but that's our own testimony. So where do we bring in that kind of balance. Yes, thank you so much Louis. Here's what I would say. Now, picture this, right? Maybe your husband is a man of God, doing a ministry, and he's used powerfully prophetic word of knowledge and God has been using him, wonderful ministry. And maybe the wife is just helping out in ministry, just doing small things, but just helping out with the church, not really in the ministry, but just being there. Now, we must remember that when we go back home, a husband and wife were serving the church, or when they're at home, doesn't mean the gifts of the Holy Spirit will stop and say, okay, no, I will only give you the anointing in church. We know that the anointing is there, right? God can speak to us through the small things at home as well. So here's what we can do. Now, if I recognize something about my wife, I know the grace of God upon my wife, then what must I do? I must understand that, hey, maybe she's sharing this because this is something that God is speaking to her. So I should not be in a place where I say, okay, leave all of that only in the church. Yes, prophecies, word of knowledge, all of that. We want to have it, develop that and grow in that, and it sounds nice when it's in the church or blessing the church, but God doesn't stop that. So we must understand that, okay, even as God is speaking to us at home, I recognize the gifts, I recognize the grace that God has. So for example, if my wife says, hey, can we pray together for half an hour? Now, I may be busy doing something, but I can stop what I'm doing because maybe God is ministering to her and saying, let's pray. Maybe this is something that God is leading her towards. So I don't have to make it sound super spiritual. For example, I'm just there and I'm saying, okay, I feel led to pray together with my wife, but my wife is doing something, she's doing household work. I say, hey, why don't we pray? She must recognize that, hey, maybe God is speaking or ministering, saying that, hey, let's pray together. So I don't have to make it super spiritual by saying, you know what, just now I got a prophetic word and God is saying, right now we should pray. So we have to pray and only when we pray, I don't have to make it sound super spiritual. I just say, I can just be normal and say, hey, when we have time, can we just spend half an hour in prayer? So what I'm doing is I'm, of course, I'm still flowing in that gifts and the anointing, but I'm not, you know, being trying to be super spiritual, trying to act as if I'm on the stage in front of hundreds of people. No, just being normal and saying, hey, after you finish your work, why don't we just spend half an hour and pray. And if she recognizes the gifts and call in my life, she will agree to it. Right. So that balance is something that it's an ongoing learning husband and wife. Right. But very important is Louis, as you said, we must learn to appreciate and understand the gifts and the grace that each one of us have, the husband and the wife, they have different grace gifts. Right. So we must learn to appreciate and walk together in that right that that understanding must be there. And it will come over time. You will know. And I feel just making life very simple, not making it super spiritual and just trying to go overboard saying, hey, you know, this is what I feel that we must do, even in terms of making decisions for the home, for the family, for the children, just prayerfully, you know, we don't have to say, okay, I feel that this is what the prophetic word that God is telling me right now. We want to say all that. Right. So just be normal and say, you know, I feel that God can lead us to this, maybe let's pray and see if this is something. Now we may be very good in prophetic words, but I don't have to release it with, you know, in terms of in arrogance or anything. Just be simple about it. Right. And yeah, so just recognizing each other, being there for each other, honoring each other. And I think as we do that, automatically, the other things will fall in place. People will, you know, the husband and the wife will begin to know, okay, this is what he says when he says this, maybe the Lord is speaking or ministering. And I must also value my wife, the husband and the wife must value each other, whether they are in ministry or not in ministry, they must value each other. So I will close with that. Right. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, everyone. Thank you. What we'll do is we'll take a break because we have five minutes. So before we get into the next chapter, we'll take a break. We'll come back at 9.55. We'll go back at 9.55 and we'll continue with chapter 15. Thank you.