 Hey everyone, we've been allowed to play that out by by kind permission of Ian Because that film is bloody awesome. I feel agree Have the planet! You're so good at that. That's amazing We I had a I had a weird thing. Sorry. The reason I'm padding is that we don't know where Ian is at the moments So we're hoping it's gonna be a Jake's here. We're just waiting for Ian So please don't leave your scenes because I think it's gonna be really interesting also a little Parish notice So little Paris notice you may have noticed the film was stuttering a little bit in the more complicated scenes The reason for that is we discovered is that between this HDMI connection and the project is like 10 devices It goes through and one of them wasn't happy And the reason it wasn't happy was we were fortunate enough to get the Blu-ray master copy of this film What you've just watched will not be released to the public until November on Blu-ray the very first time in the UK Hackers have been available on Blu-ray I know awesome, right? and I don't think Ian will be mentioning that Ian's actually going to Go with Mark Kerr mode Tomorrow and he's gonna do Mark Kerr is gonna do a whole commentary on the film That's gonna be on the Blu-ray and that's a few of the first people to hear about that So the problem we had is that the file we were given is the Uncompressed version that is mastered for the Blu-ray. It was a hundred and thirty six gig And that's what you just watched so it's not really surprising that a few devices on the way for all fuck this Yeah, okay, right so what we're gonna do now is we're just gonna reset the stage and Jake and Ian are gonna join us on stage. You've been tweeting your questions We've got those that awesome some great questions and they're gonna have a chat They're gonna tell some stories and also answer your questions and hopefully my my beautiful assistant A.k.a. my wife Trish is gonna bring those up to us very very short. Oh, she's right there. Hello Awesome for a little extra street After we've done all this there's gonna be a second showing of Tentman, which is the film that was made at EMF in the past 2016-2014 and It was shown last night for the first time and he said that's the absolute finished final version And now tonight we're gonna show the really absolute finished final version So there's a little extra sheet coming on the way there But what I'd like to do in the meantime if we're all mic'd up I'd like to introduce you to the stage Ian Softly and also Jake Davis So actually because I'm a bit nosy and I'm also a huge fan of the film I'm actually gonna bus in and ask the first question if that's okay Because I actually already really know the answer, but I think it's really interesting Which is when you see the data towers and the visualizations of the computers in the film That's not CG is it? No, I mean CG at the time was pretty In its infancy and look very very two-dimensional But I think I would have done it the same way Today because as you probably know film is about 12k everybody's talking about you know digital Video being 4k films 12k so Christopher Nolan for example does all of his visual effects for All his films whether it's Transcendence and Stella He uses uses 65 mil film and shoots on She's on film Incidentally the the team that I put together for hackers went on to form a company called double negative and they Are the team behind all of Christopher Nolan's films and I didn't know this until I interviewed Christopher Nolan at a directors about in London a couple years ago and The the idea really was that a big influence village visually on hackers for me Was the was 2001 Stanley Kubrick's 2001 Which I still think is the most incredible three-dimensional portrayal of space and I wanted I wanted the move through the inner space of the minds of the hackers and this Database that mirrored the streets of Manhattan to feel as physical for us and not sort of like a two-dimensional experience I was that was going to be my first question to you for moved on to these inspirations 2001 for me as well Yeah, so I Guess first of all now that we've just seen it. We all have our favorite moments I just wondered a very simple question. What is what is your favorite moment of moving? I do like the the Grand Central Station sequence of the final hack with the rotating phone booths and an amazing amazing soundtrack by Guy Pratt and uncredited David Gilmour from Pink Floyd If anybody's familiar with David Gilmour's guitar style you can Okay, is that better Did you hear any of those that first question you did okay, so so I think my There are many scenes that I that that I'm fond of and others that maybe I kind of look away when When I when I watch the film again But I think that that scene Kind of encapsulates to me what I was trying to do which was almost to sort of have a Technological hallucination is what the film was I just made a film about some of the early days of pop music in In England with the Beatles getting together in Hamburg and and the influences on them there And I was I I had this sense that Partly because people I was talking to who were working in in technology when we were preparing the film I had this sense that what was about to happen was a kind of as a counterculture that was the equivalent to To the effect that that that when rock and roll became a kind of popular music And so I wanted it to be as exciting as playful as much of a kind of total way of life as As kind of falling in love with with rock and roll was for you know those those early early musicians amazing I Beatles yellow submarine This first question from James Andrew Stockholm who is he sorted out all of the sound and microphones And so thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you to him. Yeah, thank you seriously He says I wondered if Ian could mention how he was picked to do his cameo in the film My cameo I don't think I am in the Sorry, oh, oh how pen Gillette. Oh, yes. Yes, but this says Ian. Yeah Gillette well, he was a friend of the executive and He was also very very interested in the internet and when he heard about the script He asked if he could be involved and we thought because he was a you know In a way, he was a sort of a role model of the older guys that the that that we would be doing our research with Who were kind of a little bit from the San Francisco? Silicon Valley or even pre-silicon Valley maybe people that were interested in in In kind of psychedelic culture And there was a real link that's you know psychedelic culture of the 70s and the idea of freedom The idea of not being regulated which those guys had They they then kind of some of those same guys actually moved into the internet as being an equivalent World, which of course hasn't quite panned out as everybody would have wanted it We've got a question from game popper an appropriate gaming question. How did using wipeout footage come about? How did I think footage from the game wipeout? It it was again it was something that We had so many advisors Who were who in games and I think it was it it came into the film before it been released We got a it was it was almost like the first time that that enemies and they made a special version for us Sorry, could you repeat the question? I think I think what you're talking about is the is the is the website was hacked Is that right? Well, the website wasn't really anything to do with the film. It was it was the marketing department of United Artists and it's not a secret that I didn't really like the way they were marketing the film and And the guys that were actually Hacking the website with guys that were working with us on the film. So it was a kind of like a Very good very nice None of you guys are on social media, are you? This is never because I didn't ever said that before speaking of just amongst us. Yeah Speaking of hack the planet. I like this question because it contains the worst hack the planet capital letters It's from Chrissy Swordfish love the film and Gave me this questions gave this question some very deep thought it often keeps me awake at night How does one hack the planet? Well, it's a kind of philosophical question, I think That everybody can experience on different levels of existence But it's a great phrase and I think that that's what I think it encompasses the idea of Making your own rules Not not kind of having things handed down not having not having somebody else's world And to you in a way that you don't accept I mean and that was one of the things that seemed to be equivalent between what was happening with the early days of the popularization of the internet as a kind of Popular culture counterculture really and that was the same that happened with music It was about it's about we're creating our own world Which have got our rules and we don't want to accept the rules that we're rejecting from the previous generations Was the phrase hack the planet then very vital pre-movie or did it very much come about as the virality afterwards? Yeah, I think it did. I think it emerged. I think it it it caught on afterwards And it was just the way I think it was the the way that the cast also just embraced it And and it was quite soon off the film came out that you know people would like you did this evening Would shout hack the planet at screenings We have another question from game popper very nice How much research went into Hacker culture and Hacker systems and systems in general for the film? Well, we it started with the writer Raphael Moreau who actually knew a manual Goldstein who This was a long time ago. So my memory is a little cloudy, but I think there was a magazine 2000 AD it wasn't 2000 AD it was something That's it. That's it. Yeah Hacker course and a manual Goldstein was was one of the first people that Raphael Moreau spoke to And and and he's actually I think given the film his blessing When we did a mini-release two years ago in America it was it was going to be just a single anniversary screening and it just got picked up by a couple of Cinema chains and it was shown in about 13 cities and all the major cities in America and a lot of press particularly sort of In the kind of science and tech and counter you know like wired and vice Covered covered the film and and actually interviewed a manual Goldstein. We also had a group of Of of hackers who were sort of always on site always on set rather and actually would sometimes change what we were What we were shooting most notably one of them said to me I think we should change this because it's not totally authentic And it was we were at the top of the Empire State Building And we were somewhere where we shouldn't have been We went we got one of the production team to talk to the person who was Escorting us and ask them a question about you know, could we get access somewhere else? And we went up to the top level where I don't think anybody's ever filmed before And it was at that point that they said, you know, will you rewrite? Can we just rewrite this and And it was Angelina's words and I and I I said to her look You don't have to do this because you know an actor obviously likes to learn their lines a day before and she's not there and so She was we I was handing her the page with the new With the new script lines on it and she would just read a couple of lines Do that scene and then carry on so so we had people on on set all all the time And I took Johnny Lee Miller Again, Raphael Moreau would have been have been hanging out with a lot of the hacker groups in in New York in the year before filming so We we got the actors to attend as many of those Conferences and get together as we could. Oh in that regard. I was going to ask Did any of the actors Embrace hacker culture afterwards Well, they all they all became You know, I mean most of us didn't know anything about it when it when it started I mean, we would I don't think I even had a laptop when I when I read the script Um, and I think the actors were the same and then everybody we all we all had our um, I think I had I think Ian at crash dot demon dot co dot uk was my first my first um tag And and we all that there was a thing called new york online that we were all Signed up to and so so very very early on we would actually get online in the evenings And just and I encourage the actors to do that and yet everybody carried on afterwards Do you ever just tell johnny lee miller to use signal use tour? To do what sorry Do you give any any any hacker advice now to the to the actors? I think that you know, I wouldn't no I wouldn't join we need to get them here. I wouldn't join it another another very very very serious question from Matthew's Garrett Why why rotating phone boxes? And it's we love it. We love it. But why? It was really the idea that it was a sort of uh, a technological hallucination I think I said that earlier and that and that it would they were we were so inside their heads that That this is a film on one level. That's about outlaws Who are the good guys being chased by the cops or the bad guys? I mean, that's you know a classic sort of Robin Hood story But the but the the the terrain of the chase if you like Happens in an invisible digital world So the big challenge of the film Was how to present something that you can't see And that's you know, we started with the idea of okay. These guys live in Manhattan Let's create a world that in an interior an internal world that looks like the physical world that they inhabit But make it as real as so the world of their imagination is as real and it was really just a way of Making that whole thing go to another level in their minds that this was a level of concentration and a level of excitement That there was there had to be a climax of the film Um, and as I said earlier, I'm I'm I'm kind of pretty pleased with it Do we know how much time we have left? Oh, oh, oh, no, this is very tough now, right? We need to good. Wow That was obviously a question that we did a like, you know, it'll take a couple of minutes couple of minutes And then we say no question Do you like to pick a question? Do you answer for yourself your your favorite? Well, have you got have you got one? I I I want to know a little bit more a little bit more about about whether There were other people that you were working with when you were Doing your Activities internet acting imaginative creative activities Whether there were other people who were similarly inspired by the film or whether you were kind of acting on your own Or is this completely? I was inspired by the film. Yeah. Oh, yes, everyone Absolutely everyone you just heard someone say yep Everyone is inspired by this film and Not just for the the criminal activity. No, don't worry about that. It's very good Um But yes, there's another card there that said to me what what age that I watch at the 12 13 something like that and actually on that point even now in 2018 I You know like youngsters my my friends my good friends two daughters who are 10 and 12 watched the film last year and they loved it Do you still have people of that age the age? You know some some of us when we watched it in younger come up to you and talk about its relevance What's a Gibson? Well, I think the I think the um The thing that's strange about the film that that I I don't quite know the answer to this one And I and I um, I hadn't seen the film until I watched it on a big screen at the prince charles screenings in london two years ago I hadn't watched it for 10 years And and it struck me that first of all that that there are many things that are quite conventional about the storytelling And that it's really about a group of friends Who are adversarial and trying to get one up on each other at the beginning? And then they then they they put aside their differences and the and the individual suppresses their own Well-being if you like, you know risks being caught in order to support the group and help their friends And I think there's a very uplifting message that the that the film has but I think in terms of the age groups um The the story uh takes place was I guess what we would call six formers So people who are kind of you know 17 18 and I think that they're uh It's a little bit of a hybrid in terms of it's appeal I think because I think that there is definitely an appeal for sort of people that are you know 15 16 year olds love watching films about 18 year olds And I think when the film came out It's real core audience was sort of on one level was 15 and 16 year olds And I knew that because I knew a couple of 15 year olds that were saying There were no films in the cinema at that time for them There was no twilight. There was no hunger games. There was no, you know, the older harry potters So if you were 15 16, there wasn't anything and I think a lot of those people who embraced the film at that age are now 35 And are in tech or in media Or online, you know, and they all come to me and said that's the film that I watched when I was 15 16 And I realized it was cool to be into computers Um, and it was a something that you could use you could express yourself in many different ways through that world Um, but I think that at the time that it came out as well. There was um There were people who were older who were already in in in in that world And I think as I said earlier, there was a kind of link between the kind of slight hippie psychedelic world who were who were looking at breaking down frontiers trying to live Free of of of of kind of uh, what they would call straight laws at the time And I think those were the two audiences really And and there's and I think that there's a kind of it's like a cyber fairy tale as well So I think that that you know that you you kind of have to go with a sense of fun of the film And we never we never wanted it to be a film about technology We wanted it to be a film about the culture that technology had created It's just It's just told there's time for one quick one. You're gonna hate me for this question But so many people have been asking me today to ask you another hackers movie Well, I mean we did we do get asked And you know on one level it will be fun. Um, I suppose the question is would we get the cast together? Um, you know, would would would they be? Would they all be kind of security heads of you know, uh Um, American Express now and or maybe one of them would be and one of them would be Uh, it would be kind of outlawed in uh, a tax haven somewhere. So yeah, I mean, there's you know Hey, this is we can carry on and get get a story going here Get what sorry the band exactly Yeah, yeah, will they reform will the band reform? Uh, and I it was interesting because my first film I don't know whether anybody Here saw my first film backbeat Thank you, and that was really about a band and I wanted to And it was about a band in the past and I wanted to say what's what would be the equivalent of a band in the future so I don't know whether you notice but The the the shoulder straps on the laptops were like guitar shoulder straps and we made a lot of those kind of those connections, but um I don't know I think if I think everybody I think it'd be fun if the cast wanted to come back together as somebody just said If the band reformed, I think the whole band would have to reform Oh in this regard as well like you mentioned 2001 a space Odyssey a timeless movie. I saw that one again last year. Um Hackers I think will continue. I think it'll be relevant in 2028 2038 in the same way as you mentioned 2001 And the similarities are there. So maybe no need. Maybe this one just says it all Maybe it predicts some things that will occur. Maybe no need You know one of the things that I was most pleased with but somebody made a comment recently that it was That you know some of the parallels today was that it was it's a very diverse cast And that's something that we really What has occurred? Oh, well each buy a new one. Have you tried turning it off and on again? Sorry, sorry And that was really though, have you that does genuinely work Yeah, there's um There's a there's a blu-ray release later this year and next week I'm recording a commentary with mark commode and mark has been an incredible supporter of this film when a lot of people weren't supporting it Um, and so that's going to be really interesting for me He he was sort of behind the re-release in america in a way because we had a blu-ray release in america and mark did a little contribution to the bonus material saying That it really needed to have a cinema screening again and as a result of that we did do a number of screenings So I think we will do some screenings prince charles have said that they want to do some more fantastic cinema And then we're at the fingers crossed But it looks as though we're going to re-release the cd and a vinyl And there'll be like a gatefold with a lot of visual material a lot of interviews And most excitingly from a musical point of view The cd will reflect the film in a more complete way than the previous cd did Because we're going to have the guy pratt track with dave gilmore the grand central Station track and also the the other a couple of other tracks from the movie that we weren't able to put on the original cd I mean when we did the original cd it was released after the film came out Because when I did backbeat it was effectively a grunge soundtrack Because we we had the actors miming To saw the songs that beatles would have played in hamburg and the band we put together for that was dave groll on drums At the time he was with nirvana and mike mille samariam thirst and more From thirst more from sonnet youth and so the record company were expecting a grunge soundtrack to hackers And they said what what's this techno shit? And it was it was about a year later that a lot of these bands appeared on the train spotting soundtrack But because of that we didn't release the album. They would we couldn't get a record deal And and and when this when the cd came out it came out made by this company called edel who was a small record company in england and then they did hackers 2 and hackers 3 And hackers 2 and hackers 3 as cds did so well That there was a movie that came out in america and they called it hackers 2 It wasn't called hackers 2 it was called something else Take down the kevin mitnick story right 2000. Yeah, and then they just put as a sub they put as a subtitle hackers 2 So this would be the first time that we've got a proper soundtrack, you know first time released on vinyl I'm really excited about that. Let's definitely about it very good I just want to I just want to say Thanks so much for inviting us this festival and thank you guys for giving such a warm reception. It's it's humbling. It really is humbling And jade thanks so much for your interest and your support as well And it's been a pleasure meeting you too. Absolutely pleasure to have you a real honor for everyone here now Would you do the honors of choosing who gets this absurdly nice bottle of whiskey? that I sort of Don't want to give away, but Do they have to let you taste it? Do they have to give you the first taste? whiskey leaks millaways whiskey leaks So We can't see anything from here. Um, did anyone Have a costume wish should we should people come up on stage? Yeah, if anybody is in a hackers costume, can they come up if you want to uh, Someone pointed out on twitter very correctly if you would like a non-alcoholic prize We have a few uh raspberry pi powered computers pi tops with a nice power rail very nice Yeah, if you want to uh, just come on up if or if you don't want to maybe over there or something And you should Come on come on down come on come on Yes Anybody else coming forward if you you win if you're dressed as the Gibson Very good Yeah, there's got to be somebody else No, is that it? I saw somebody looking like acid burn walking around i'm sure Oh my god, this is so difficult. I think this is this is more difficult than directing a movie Do you think we do you think the audience should decide? Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure Yeah, yeah, whiskey leaks. Okay, so For the for the first contestant. I don't know whether you agree jake. I think the two women It's uh, it's gonna be a clap-off agreed Okay, one more time for What's your name? Hannah for Hannah And what's your name? One Meg Okay, it's very very tight, but I think I agree with the audience's Conclusion verdict. It's Hannah. Thank you And thank you again here ladies gentlemen Can I just have one big massive round of applause for jake davis and Ian softly? So say we are so honored for them to have taken the time out of their busy hacking schedule To come and visit us and spend time with this evening. It really is an honor For the rest of you. I thank you so much for coming along and packing this entire place out We're really honored. I'm sure Ian's been delighted by you all all coming along We're about to show 10 man in about five minutes if you want to hang around for a little bit more And also if you want to actually live in the whole hackers World that you need to get over to cybar in the null sector over there because it's just like walking straight in there Final thing I'll say is tomorrow night. We're showing hidden figures at eight o'clock and about 20% Caesar sings the blues and if you haven't seen that you haven't lived Thank you so much for coming along again and you have a great night at emf. Love you all