 Good afternoon. We're going to go ahead and get started on this session. I'm Rick Loos. I'm Rick Carl Dratt. And I want to begin just by saying we've already, my chief technology officer, and I've had a bit of a dialogue back and forth, even over the term maker space in library. I think this suffers the same limitations. If you're talking to a scientist and you're talking about applied versus theoretical science, it doesn't quite connotate, perhaps, the field one is working in. So with that, let me dive in. But ask you to think about what we're talking about slightly broader than the literal maker space definition. So I want to start by just very quickly highlighting what I've received from my provost, what all the deans have received as essentially provost goals. So everything we're doing, we're trying to tie back to the provost goals to make sure we're spot on in terms of alignment organizationally. So we're focused on student success. We're focused on faculty impact. We're focused on community impact. And we're focused on the brand equity of the University of Oklahoma. Pretty straightforward. I have to be able to rationalize everything we're doing and tie where we're going strategically back to this. I think it's actually pretty easy to do. We developed our strategic document in advance of the provost, but it maps pretty well. We have a couple key, what I call pillars, that we're trying to align ourselves to. The first I would say is really trying to transform the physical and the virtual spaces and experience of the research library at OU. The second is to take advantage of some extraordinary special collections and really bring those to life. Thirdly, to aggressively support campus research and data stewardship in the institution. This was invisible several years ago. And so to really rapidly wrap up an effort in that regard. Fourthly, to chart a new role for the library and the institution in terms of creating some synergies there to enable new forms of scholarly communications. And then we'll do that through strengthening the skills and capabilities of our organization. So everything, again, we're doing fits under that category. That lines up to the provost, and everything is good. We've had some activity going on in the last couple years. I've been at the University of Oklahoma just about a hair over 3 and 1 half years now. Carl joined me after I'd been there for about six months or so. This is a photo of our new Collaborative Learning Center. So physical renovation, another photo of the new Collaboration Center. I'll have to say, when I arrived at the university, my president shared with me his nightmare, which was I worried that before I leave or shortly after, that students will simply stop coming into the library. We've dramatically been able to change that. It's now the activity hub of the university, as it should be. Created in Digital Scholarship Laboratory, primarily for faculty and graduate students, with the physical spaces has obviously come the need to fill that with human knowledge. So we've had to recruit new skills, new people, and talents, and then bring digitized collections into these spaces. So that takes us to the innovation edge, or eye edge for short. This is, again, one of the new spaces. It's a very, very small space, maybe an eighth of this room, very, very small, but an example of one of the new kinds of projects that fits under our transformation initiative. So the space is located in our main library on the main floor. It's a combination of maker space, fabrication space, classroom, seminar room. It's a laboratory in many ways. It's a showcase in some ways of a new kind of work, creative work that we want to draw magnetically students into the space. So it's got glass, it's got the kinds of things that students, as they walk through the library, are just sort of drawn to what's the vibe going on over there. It's an experimental space. So when I think about laboratory, for me, that's a connotation always of the place to experiment. This is very much a place to experiment with what we're doing with software and interacting with faculty, interacting with students, and so forth. And we're continually programming, partly through matrix of library professionals that spend some time in that space, and partly through student volunteers who are programming classes all the time. So students can come in and learn how to do a variety of different things as a way to build engagement and activity in the center. It's open to everybody. It's been swamped with undergraduates. We're attracting in a variety of ways faculty members to come in. We've had a program to get some of the, in fact, all the deans eventually into the space. I've been bringing donors into the space. And so it's been very exciting to show them sort of where the new library is moving. So why innovation at the edge? If we think about our roots, where we come from, clearly books, manuscripts, paper represented the way that knowledge was embodied. There are tools for creating and conveying knowledge. And now we need to think about how a library building and space and digitized materials really do the same kind of thing. So innovation laboratories in many ways are just another embodiment of a space and a function, a utility almost, that creates new forms of knowledge. And so that's what we're really trying to extend and understanding through our community with this. Why innovation at the edge? There's a quote from ACRL, but really the idea of bringing this activity into the library. If we think about a learning center, that would span the gamut of everything you do from solitary study through collaborative work, everything you do from theory to application. So pretty obvious, I think. What are some of the tools used in the space? And I'm gonna hand that over to Carl and ask him to pick up the thread there. Yes, maker spaces frequently have all a wide range of activities. However, we've kind of focused our space on visualization and the pieces that support visualization of information. So we teach microcontrollers, we've got our Duinos and we run classes in these and we have all kinds of sign up for this class and people show up. And so they're learning how to use ASINs, they're learning how to program them. It's very low barrier to entry, it's low cost for us to provide. We have instructors that sign up and help us run these classes. And it supports reproducible research. So we're teaching, particularly undergraduates, that this is part of how we teach reproducible research, building the circuit, being able to document it in order to show this is what I did and I wanna be able to give you the capability to reproduce it. We do a lot of 3D printing, obviously, because this is an obvious piece of visualization. And so we've got a number of different types of printers in there, we found the law is about to be much better than the maker space. And again, that's for the physical expressions of virtual information. I like this quote, I thought it was very appropriate, we're working with NASA quite a bit because they've been very intrigued by some of what we're doing, I'll show you why that's the case in a bit. But I like the statement that 3D prints and visualizations reveal important previously unknown information and provide new means for conveying complex ideas. And that certainly seems to be true. So we'll show you a case of that in a little bit. We also have an informatics person in the lab. So one of the things we do there, we've contracted with our IT group, he's actually normally paid entirely by grant money and he's assigned to grants, but we have purchased 20% of his time to support informatics on our campus. And what we're really aiming at with this gentleman is to focus on those people that are 80% of the researchers that aren't dealing with big data sets, they're just trying to do their projects and their research, and he's there to assist them with their IT needs. We find the challenge on our campus and I'm sure it's not unique is that many times these people go to IT, IT's talking about megadatabets and sizes and information and programming and they don't really accommodate the needs of the small researcher. So that's what we're trying to do with this guy and so far this has been very successful. We also became members of Software Carpentry Institute. Have you all heard of Software Carpentry Institute yet? If you haven't, be sure to find out about it. It's a great program that's going on and it teaches low-level programming skills and very compact courses. Most of these courses can be run in two days. We've got a number of our team now certified by Software Carpentry Institute. We became a member of the Institute. We can be certified as teachers and instructors and so we have a wide range of librarians and IT people that have now learned to become Software Carpentry instructors so they can teach courses and they can help instruct others in how to become instructors. So this has really been cool. You can go to their Software Carpentry website and you can find all about. They've got a number of workshops that they offer that we can repackage and offer out. We have a place on our website where people can go and sign up for courses and so they do. They just, it's open to the public as well as our faculty and staff. So people sign up, we have everything from kids show up to researchers. It's great. And they all learn from each other. It's really, really fascinating. We've also just stepped into the world of data carpentry. They branched out Software Carpentry Institute and now doing what's called data carpentry which has been dynamite. Because again, what we're teaching researchers is how do you do data management? How do you do a data plan? How do you file down all these details and they have a whole host of workshops they can run and they're offered out. We can run them and teach and do these things inside the library. And so again, it brings people from all over the campus into those collaborative learning centers that you saw Rick show pictures of a little bit earlier and get them setting their working together on how do you do this. One of the other things we've done in the edge is hooked up one of these units with an iPad so that we can go out and scan units. So if we don't find an image on the web that we need for a person to do what they're working with we just stick an iPad in their hand tell them to go find it and scan it and then bring it back in and load it on the system. Again, we remind them to stay within copyright but in doing this we've found them quite versatile. They'll go out and scan all kinds of stuff and bring it into the lab to work with. So this is our oval station which we built and designed inside the library and it's actually pretty clever. If you've worked with VR sets at all you know once you put these things on you're waving your hands around quite a bit, right? So if you're standing right next to somebody and you're waving your arms around, bam! Right in the lab. So what we did is build chairs that slide right up to the PC, you fire up your virtual reality instance get it going and then you push back on the chair and you've got a defined space with which to work. So these are actually designed to be built in pods of four. This is a starting unit we started with, it's two but these are now being put in all over the campus. And so these are really fascinating. So it's called Oval. It's the Oklahoma Virtual Academic Laboratory and it involves a lot of software that we've started developing on top of the Unity software. It's gaming software underneath but it's applied to education. It's network analysis. So what that means is that we can hook these units together on the web. And so we can have one setting here or we can have one setting in a lab across the campus. I'll show you some instances of this in a minute. And the instructor can actually be standing in their office running these sessions. We can hook them all together because they're choosing the gaming software. It's made to do that from the beginning and they can run the class pointing out to the student all the things they want them to see. You can remotely load 3D models. I mean, if you go out on the web you can find a lot of 3D models floating around for you to work with and that's great. But if you want to run them on the Oval then you've got to put it on a stack and bring it in. No, not really. All you have to do is load it up to our website. We give you a place to put it and when you come in it will already be setting on the menu for you, waiting for you to use it. So that's been very popular. Now let's see if I can get this to run here. One of the problems with running this in this mode. When we talked about the Oval it was 360 degrees of interactive content. You can look in any direction and then in that. I'm sorry, I'm trying to get the volume up for you. Away, you can open it up from any side. But the Oval platform does is that it provides that immersive environment where the students can look around and they can see details in their models. But most importantly, they understand spatially what is actually going to be the impact. If you look at the hemoglobulin molecule on a computer it's not really easily grasped though, I mean. But oxygen is really hidden inside an iron molecule also hidden deep inside. So when you look at it through a VR you can really dive into the iron molecule and oxygen molecule can realize where they are located at. So using the VR really helps students understand what's happening to oxygenated and deoxygenated blood. It's just amazing using the Oval software for my classes because there's a difference between seeing these words written on a page and then seeing the objects they're talking about right in front of you there that you can interact with and look at and move around in real life. With the regular way that we look at manuscripts we look at them on the screen, we're separated from them we can have it in a different space and we move them around with a mouse. Suddenly if I can move into a space inhabit that space with the manuscript I can move within its couple pages and experience them with a grandeur that the manuscripts actually command when you're in their presence. Today you can upload your 3D model or asset with the library website, walk into the edge with your co-researcher or student or classmate and you can fly through that data set and then export screenshots used for publication or presentation down the line. So you can say it's really cool stuff that's going on there and the professors get quite excited but at the professor that Dr. Anders who did the manuscripts had drawn to Ireland and taken 70 photos of each page with different filters we uploaded all that in and combined it together and now you can actually fly right into the top of the page at such a close dimension that you can determine where the ink has flicked off the page so now he can go back and say that should be this color even though it's missing he can now reconstruct the pages and tell us exactly what a page would have looked like originally he could have never done that without this kind of tool in his hands and he's so excited by it as you can well tell in that video he's thrilled with what we're now able to do for him so we're forming partnerships all over the campus and let me show you a few of these College of Architecture you saw them walking in that video through some of their models that professor is wonderful she was telling us the story about she used to take her architecture students down to a big empty parking lot on our research campus get cardboard boxes and have them build their housing models out of cardboard and now they bring them off of the model that they designed on stick it on our oval sit down and walk through their buildings and they're finding out they put a banister in the wrong place or they put an overhead beam in a place where it's backing them in the head or all kinds of problems that they wouldn't have seen any other way and they didn't have to go down to an empty parking lot and put it together with a bunch of cardboard so she was so thrilled she actually sent us a note saying I'm sitting in my desk crying because this is so cool and I can now do it's a wonderful message so yeah, she's been a loyal supporter they're now buying an oval to put in their own college Kendall Bielkin you saw him talking about the oxygen chemical at the middle NASA we've been talking with them quite a bit they're very interested in putting in an oval in their shop down in Florida English department of course Dr. Anders we were talking with him Sam Noble History Museum on our campus is planning on doing an oval College of Law is already in the process of installing an oval and the law they're going to do crime scenes what they're working on so they'll be able to take people jurors, potentially in the future and actually walk them through a crime scene and actually see it not have to look at photographs but to actually be able to walk through and reconstruct the crime on a crime scene and the College of Engineering is planning on it as well they've got all kinds of ideas over there so the innovation hub the innovation hub is also going to be a place that we're going to put one of these and you haven't heard about the innovation hub but this man's going to tell you about that so the innovation hub a space about two miles south of where the main library is down in our research park we have the blessing of being relatively in close approximation there's a variety of buildings down in the space but for people on campus psychologically this is always too far two miles is too far so we've had this question we're real excited about the space this is initially on essentially what will be the ground floor here of this building and in the research park about 20,000 square feet it's been totally gutted and renovated and we're going to be taking for the library piece of this again matrix that work in the edge and part of their hours will also be down at the innovation hub so one way to think about this is the edge which we just saw is sort of a window into this larger space 20,000 square foot space with very serious maker spaces, very large equipment so you could get started in the edge and then we need to scale this up take it down to the research park again open to everybody lots of different expertise available we have a learning collaborative learning space in this area so very much like what you'd heard about but what I think is interesting for me about this space is it's not owned by anyone it's co-owned by the OU libraries by our CIO for the university our vice president for research the dean of the price business college the dean of the college of engineering so the five of us essentially are if you will 20% owners and we are collectively figuring out a model about how this will be staffed how it will be shared and we have complimentary services in this space so for example the library is not going to be running the very high end space with the big saws and the very large printers and the metal works and all of that but it's adjacent to the kind of space we're working with visualization it's adjacent to the school business which has a whole entrepreneurial program with students that are in and out of there all the time so these things really start to become complimentary and flow together so the geographic dispersion we've got a two mile zone here we're located up in the center of campus what was the center of campus as is information technology the vpr office research office is down another building adjacent to the building I just showed you College of Business and the engineering college are all up in the center campus so there's been a lot of talk about how do we get people to make this two mile traversal even though there's acres of parking research facilities and so forth there's no way to do that so part of what the edge does is it allows again, back in the main library it allows people to have a window into what's possible to get drawn in, perhaps to have a class to get excited enough I'm ready to go to the next level it's worth my energy to figure out how to traverse the two miles what I've been dreaming of and talking with Carl I literally want a high definition screen connected all the time no software intermediation just stand up to a screen, life size high definition signal to really have that very tightly coupled together so the edge and the hub two different locations interlinked again, another view of the building the space the library has is in this area here engineering and these things sort of flow together around a large corridor so relative to what we're used to working with a large amount of space compared to what we have available in the Bissell Library it will get eaten up quickly our long term plan is to occupy the entire building all three floors and to start to induce the private sector to come into this innovation space with us as a place where they can begin to showcase some of their work they've got access to our students we've got surrounding the research park we've got a variety of businesses that have sprung up so we really think that this is going to be kind of a natural point of synergy and right in the middle of what we want to be so the opening is scheduled for May space that when this photo was taken still being built out here's some of the makerspace we also have as a way to start to market this space and communicate what we're doing we said let's get a trailer and start driving it around the state fair we'll take it to the high schools for part of our recruitment process we'll get the faculty in there to start to understand what's going on etc and so can't do a lot in there but it's a beginning of what is 3D printing and again what is it why would I want bench facilities and so forth so this has become a great kind of marketing and advertising way to get to get a dialogue going which is part of what we've been trying to do over this last year so the big question and I think really the CNI community question is well that's cool how do you really scale this and when I talk about scale and pose the problem I'm really asking the question about how does A-Node in a large network of research organizations scale things up in a way that we can really start to interact with one another so again I'll pass this back to Carl we have a tough question part of what you have to know and I know he's not fond of the term maker space but it is the term that is widely used and gives us at least a handle on the growth that's going on in this area so if you look at these charts you can see these things are growing like crazy that they're popping in all over the place and if you look at the geographic locations across the entire United States that they're being put in so these are very popular some of them are in libraries some are from other kinds of facilities some are stand alone that they're popping up all over the place so our thought is alright this is a typical day at the edge not at all unusual to find it packed like this and so we've got a scaling problem already I mean given the space we've got and even with the innovation that's coming on it's been two miles away how are we going to scale these things well part of what we've done is put up a website that really allows people to interact with an awful lot on our website so if you go to the innovation at the edge website we are sharing a code there we've got our students working with us there we've got our teams working off of the space we've set up a GitHub site where we're sharing some of the code we're working on some of the things we're doing and so this is all being done in support of the edge and the oval and the hub and so these are working sites where we bring a lot of people together you can sign up for all the classes that I've mentioned so far on this website and so that gets people started and underway but we have lots of challenges and so that's part of what we want to talk about in the scaling right so with space and equipment they're difficult but they're not impossible you can always find space and equipment if you work at it hard enough what gets more challenging is sharing the people the space the expertise and collaborating across wide geographic areas we think we have an interesting sandbox at OU just because we've got one or two miles from the other one and we've got a popping up bits and pieces of the lab popping up at other buildings on the campus so how do we hook it all together well as I mentioned we think we've got this good sandbox we've got the innovation edge we've got the innovation hub they're both going to have oval stations in them and we want to be able to set it up so the professor, the instructor, the teacher can set in this classroom and his office and run a session and we've done that so that can actually be done today and we're already having that happen and so there's no reason that we couldn't hook in other labs all run the countryside when we're running classes and the same thing would be true of you using this kind of technology if you're running classes then we could tap into yours and that way we can begin to share expertise and collaborate together in some really interesting and useful ways this is what Rick was talking about a moment ago that I'm desperately searching for he's described as saying this is what he wants, a virtual station where people can walk up and instantly talk to somebody who's at the hub from the edge they want to be able to have a conversation maybe it's the College of Engineering the only place I can even remotely find some technology like this is on the Microsoft site and it's not for sale yet so if you all know of any place that actually has some technology like this where you can walk up to it and start talking to somebody and be like let me know because I'm trying to get this man off my back the other thing we've done to scale up our lab is to do a touchdown service using my team now I've got one of the largest groups of employees in the library and I've asked all of them to take and spend four hours a month I don't care whether they're a catalog or a web designer I don't care who they are I've asked them to go to the edge and spend an hour of being at the edge why did they do that well there were several things that I was hoping to resolve one, I'm trying to provide coverage I just want to make sure we've got a warm body in there and be able to oversee the lab but the other thing I was really hoping for was that they would learn about the new technologies themselves how do you use the library how do you use virtual reality how do you go to the microcontroller how do you do software carpentry and it's really been fascinating I know Rick's had some conversations with my team members some of them are absolutely thrilled that they've been forced to do this they weren't at the beginning they are now they were actually quite enthusiastic because they're learning things about themselves some of the most positive remarks have been from some of the women who've actually signed up and taken the classes because they're immersing themselves in a highly technical environment and they're succeeding like crazy and they're feeling really good about it it's a great thing to see happen they also get a chance to interact with end users Knowledge Services is largely behind the scene at OU we're not the public facing for the most part of the organization but this actually puts them out there where they're now interacting with end users helping them learn how to use a 3D printer showing them how to use virtual reality and so that's been a really positive experience plus with the new technology they're hearing new ideas emerged so we've seen some really interesting opportunities come out of that and I'm hoping that they're going to find new opportunities that they're going to bring back to us and say you know what I heard this interesting idea and then we can follow up on it and we often do we advertise their skills on a whiteboard in the lab and we also are starting to market them out ahead of time these people all have skills metadata skills of course a lot of these people are catalogers web designing if they want to build a website so when we post their time that they're going to be in the lab we also post one of their primary skill sets and then people can sign up to come and talk to them about that part of what they did not just what's happening in the edge but I've got a website I'm trying to build or I've got to come up with some metadata description of this object I need help and these people are now interacting directly with those users and they feel the box of teeth so that's been pretty cool we've also had a really interesting thing start to happen where the lab has actually caused a reversal of roles we have found out that we're learning from the students as much as they're learning from us so here was an interesting example we have a 3D printer breakdown 3D printers you know they break down all the time at least once a week so we've got four of them and we're running them all continually but we have one breakdown our staff looked at it they tried to fix it and they couldn't do it and the student walked in and he looked at it for a little bit and he said I think I can fix it and then he did something really bright he printed the part that was broken on another printer and then put it down pretty cool so you see this role reversal we had another student walk in and say you know I just automated my house I was just hanging apples on an echo would you like me to teach a class on how to do that and we were like yeah someone do it you know and so this sort of this trend where we have got students not only teaching classes but volunteering to staff the lab they're thrilled to be in there this is their technology training software 3D printers and so we're actually in many instances becoming the students and they're becoming the instructors and it's really cool so we came up with the idea to try and recognize them so I've set up three levels of community memberships so a community member is just somebody we award him a certificate but basically they're people that volunteer and we'll keep them on the website listed as a community member and when they move past OU we'll graduate or whatever we're going to put them on the past support page on the website if you go up a level we have what we call a community builder community builder is someone we've taken the software carpentry course in pedagogy and one of my digital scholarship specialists has condensed that down to a two hour course now you don't get software carpentry certification for how to teach so that if you're going to run classes in the lion you have some idea what you should be doing how to teach it again we do the same kind of thing we award him a certificate from the website all of them sending ideas but what they've done is taken a pedagogy course and they are now in our mind certified to teach on a regular basis and then we've got community leaders and the community leaders are those people that we know we can call on we do demos frequently when we have surprise guests who want to have a tour of the edge I'll call on one of our volunteers because again they know that it's going to be really well and they're happy to do it and again we ask them to take a course in pedagogy and the next layer is that they've trained other students in how to do demos and all of that so we're building these layers giving them certificates the bookstore on campus gave us a stack of $25 gift certificates we hand them out for people to even take courses teach courses do these awards we've got great support on the campus we also have just this one we haven't done yet but it's all planned it's going to happen one of the things we're trying to do with all these volunteers is give them a pathway to a job they all want jobs right they're volunteering so what we've done is part of our software carpentry courses we've actually now set up a social at the very front of it a lunch social and we use the software carpentry workshop and what we do is offer pizza and drinks we have researchers come in on the campus that are willing to come and talk about what are your research projects what are your needs, what problems do you have where could you use some help they get up and do that and then we have the volunteers get up and do it on the outage what are they learning and do it and so again we try and create this intersection where we call them researchers and we don't tell anybody anything but we just say hey you all need to be aware of each other because we think there's some interesting possibilities and so the researchers can hire and just map off a specific task maybe they take them on and do some other things plus it couples the students that are researchers in a meaningful way and they get to experience research at a much higher level than they would normally so we think it's going to be interesting we haven't really fully tested this idea out but we'll move it forward if it all works out then that's another reason for other volunteers to want to work on the edge on the hub the other thing we've got going right now is we've applied for a night news challenge we've got an engineering student who really loves the edge he's about to graduate when he graduates he wants to work in the library but he would love to work in the edge he would like to bring his engineering skills and put him to work in the edge so we applied to the night foundation and said hey we've got an idea we want to put an engineer in our lab and make him a real one we've got a college of engineering who wants to put it in an oval they want to go off they have that kind of expertise universities would do the same kind of thing then we're going to start kind of all together we're not working together in ways that will allow us the webinars, Skype, whatever to offer consultation, advice teach courses together that's how I hold we can all start averaging off of each other in ways that are very collaborative very cooperative so shared expertise we can do that we can move forward in some really really neat ways okay one of the things we really are dealing with at the library right now that's quite challenging though is we're creating a whole lot of new types of content and data virtual reality, we're bringing in research data sets we transform that in order to display it on the VR sets while that whole transformation process then has to be documented exactly what happened how do we record that documentation so it can be part of the publication research process lots of challenges there we've got to capture all this data once we've built these VR sets of images we have to storm away some way we've got to organize, put the metadata on and make them accessible so others can find them, there's no reason I shouldn't make them accessible to all of you to use if they would fit your workers needs and again I'm hoping you'll do the same thing in reverse we've got to network all this stuff together maybe that's using existing repository structures maybe we have to do something new there we're not quite sure I think there's a clear need for some standardization it doesn't exist yet today so we're going to have to work on trying to start standardizing a lot of this stuff and then that'll facilitate a sharing of course we want to federate it all together so it has to improve the access findability of it all and long-term preservation and archiving I was at the preservation archiving conference in Prague a few weeks back and I pointed out to people we've done a whole lot of work with VR but a lot of it's sitting in the cloud Unity software hooks up to a Unity application running in the cloud, how do we preserve that we don't have a copy of what's running in that Unity server back home in their cloud we're not going to give it to us and so we don't know what the network's going to look like in five or ten years so even if I capture the data set and I've got this great image file how are we going to replay it five years from now to show what we did and how we're moving forward we've got Oculus Rift we're all running on development kits right now the new ones just came out we'll all be buying them shortly I'm sure where do we put all this stuff that we did with the development kit it's significantly enhanced in the new one we've got a lot of stuff that we already need to start capturing to document the history of virtual reality which I think is here to stay and taking off a lot of work for us to do there and we're going to have to do a collaborative so the question is of course how are we going to do that and one of the things that we're trying right now is we work with the console library and information resources and we've created a postdoc position that will be focused on this and so right now we're interviewing candidates for this job and we're going to hire somebody and bring them in for two years and focus them on how do we take research data how do we couple of virtual reality how do we preserve all this what's the infrastructure we need to build in order to make that possible and start putting that framework together I'm sure in two years we won't be able to flash it all out but we'll get a good one to start we hope so that's what we're doing as a starting starting point on that part of it okay one of the questions that we knew people were going to ask when we did this presentation was how much money have you spent doing all this wow it looks like you've won a whole bunch of money here right well actually not as much as you think innovation at the edge which we put together for $49,000 and we did it in three and a half months we took a room in the library it was a staff room had windows facing the main aisle on the main level of the library and we convinced the students that they wanted to go to another spot and we took that over we repainted it we put in some signage we moved in all that equipment we built those virtual reality stations and that's what we spent that's our staff time but that's our actual so it's not bad now the innovation at the hub will be a little more expensive oh he tells me it's $5,000 no five minutes oh five minutes that's a big cost over all right anyways that's been underway for two years I know I've been whispering since I got to OU to him make sure he'd leave this kind of facility and it took a while to get traction and then he got a sign to the right person who made it happen so that was great okay lessons learned what have we learned well library team know and I'm sure you all experience this all the time you will have cave members colleagues against virtually everything they're going to be out there wasting money taking things away what are you doing no it's coming but you really can make a very strong case on how important this is when you watch the kids collaborating in the collaborative spaces this is a natural extension they want to take the ideas that they're talking about and then physically express them or virtually express them and a lot of the innovators on campus are doing this I can't tell you how many kids we've had a mock-up of advice they think they can sell and some of them started companies and they're actually selling off their websites GoPro camera holders just some of the weirdest things but wow when you look at it it's like that's really cool did you do that by yourself? yeah it's great there are other members who will embrace it and they are great because they help you support it and get it off the ground really you have to prepare your team because you even came out to the campus this may be a place I don't think we did this as well as we could but making sure for instance all your subject leaders know what you're doing and why you're doing it and getting up and marketing it I was in one professor walking to our edge and being able to tour and she was like do you know how I found out about this? she was standing in line versus the world of the Memorial Union by lunch and hearing the student ahead of her telling his girlfriend that he was going to a class at the library to learn how to do through the program and she was like I want to know how they do so I was like what is that library but the question we both asked when we came back was why aren't there subject leaders on the phone and so that's the problem they can't always assume they're going to do that unless we really arm them well push them out there and say please all the faculty about what we're doing we also have to convince them to embrace the opportunities a lot of people will come to you with ideas we've got a little brown scroll of ideas coming out but you have to learn to embrace those try and show them what's possible we're not trying to get in a service role here we're really trying to teach faculty how to use this technology and put it at their fingertips and then step away and let them go we want to encourage the use of this space so you don't want to put barriers in there a lot of times when I'm watching makerspaces I watch a lot of libraries put some pretty tight bear you got to pay for the material you got to pay for this certain times you try and avoid that we've really taken an open approach come on in we use the lowest cost filaments that don't have any odor and no obnoxious fumes in order to make it all very accessible we need to encourage everybody to work together in these labs and so we've seen a lot of that that's gone well for us but it's really important don't forget to get them all together and explain why you're doing this and how you're doing it remember to design scaling them from the beginning I think that's one thing we've done particularly well we started putting these platforms together we're always keeping in mind how we've laid out the hub and the edge the edge the name came from the hub the hub was a process long before we started the edge we're trying to build the connection to people's brain that's the main hub where you go to do this stuff this is the edge we'll get you started but we're going to push you towards the hub so even in the naming we've tried to support the need to scale and then of course you've got to share our views widely and far failures, what worked, what didn't work we've just done that here in this room in the last hour collaborate, collaborate, collaborate it's the only way to go so you're here I think that was a good example of us all trying to work together but don't hesitate to share back what you come up with in ways that we can build off of each other so that's the end and we can take some Q&A right there and there's the man who really helped us get the innovation hub off off the ground at OU okay, Q&A thanks very much for your interest today