 Well, I think I'll be a brain surgeon. Nuclear engineer. I already don't know what I want to do. What about you, Matt? Come, come, you pro-ward and unable worms. My mind has been as big as one of yours. My heart is great. My reason happily more. To bendy word for word and frown for frown. But now I see our lances are but straws. Our strength is weak. Our weakness past compare. That seeming to be most, which we indeed least, are. Then veil your stomachs, for it is no boot. And place your hands upon your husband's foot. In token of which duty, if he please. Dear Joe, it was really good to hear from you. Mom and Dad are doing fine. Under your husband's foot meant that... I'm finished another semester at Hematon. Who really, Joe? It seems like I just haven't gone anywhere. Today my friends asked me what I had planned. With graduation coming up. I really couldn't say. If you could spare the time, I'd sure like to come and spend a couple of days just getting away at the middle. Well, I'd probably build Clark's area. Matt, this is Terry Salinas. She works here with me on weekends. What's up this weekend? Let me get that phone. Are you helping? Yeah, I work here with Joe. Separate a few of them. Yeah, okay. Okay, bye. Clark, he was... We need to help move a few cows tomorrow, you know. All right. So I figured that since tomorrow is going to be a long day, it's late today. We can just go to my house and have some supper. Do you know how to ride a horse? A little bit. You're going to have to learn more. I've been looking forward to that. Long ride. We learned to cross country through my direction. And before I knew it, she had two sets of skis and a lot of other things like that. So we had to build a ski area. And I put my skis on and I was headed off down this steep slope. She kept saying, say, Joe, the ski hill is over here. Over here. Going back down that way, I found out I got turned around. I told her there's something to do with the fact that they weren't cross country skis, but they were downhill skis. I went down there. Well, to make a long story short, I spent the whole day with little kids down the mountain. So you guys want some more hot water? Yeah. Sure. All right, let me get a little. Do you have any plans for when you graduate? Hmm. Yeah. Well, not really. Not really me. Let's say, not typically go to work at the mill, join a service like that. Kind of looking around really. So you plan on going to college? Yeah. I want to go to Humboldt State. Yeah. You went to New Mexico State, didn't you? Yeah, all right. I went to New Mexico State. I was getting a degree in range management. It was hard. It got kind of rough. And I just wanted to see it through. So it was worth it once I got through. So there's a lot of things the person can learn while they go into college, and then later on when they get out, you can actually use it. But the thing about it is, I went to college. I got a degree, and I don't have to sit around in a suit all the time, in a white shirt in a tie. I get out here in my grubbies and I enjoy myself. I do a lot of riding, and I do a lot of walking, and hiking, and a lot of just enjoying life. It's like you have a job that, unless you mixed fun into it. Well, I think if a person doesn't have a job that they can mix fun into it, they shouldn't be in that job. Yeah. That's a good one. There's only two things these horses like. One of them is eating goats, and the other is going uphill, and they don't care which comes first. All right. What's that? Here you go again. I'll give them a last little bit. What's that wild animal? He's got the last of it there. There ain't too much left. What blanket do you want to put on? I think you can put those up there. Okay. We'll just have them over here, and I'll put them over there. These are called shotgun shafts, and these are too small. Your feet are too big, so you have to take your shoes off to put them on. Okay. Okay, thank you. Just be kind of careful with them at first there. Just kind of keep your eyes on what you're doing, and let Bill kind of run the show. He'll let you know more or less what he wants. We'll have to bring them in when that's a little bit cold. I'd see some help come up here today. Oh, boy. You remember Terry. Hi, Terry. How are you? Good. We'll put him to work. Yeah, I'll try to show him a little range, man. He's interested in that. Well, I see you've got your dogs with you. What do you think we ought to do here with these cows? Well, I'd like to bring them in here, or do a little... I'd like to bring these cows in and work them a little bit. I've got a few I want to cut out. Is that right? Okay. Well, you say when. We're ready to go in and help you out. All right. We've got some experience portioning here. Good. That's the way to do it, Dave. All the way down. All right. There we go. Okay. That'll do it. When you get the 60 percent utilization, then you move your cattle out of this pasture. Now, we'll keep cattle from grazing that area there. They'll be grazing on the outside here. When they've graved 60 percent of the grass that's out in this area, it's compared to what's in the cage. Well, it really doesn't make any difference what type of livestock you have or what type of livestock. The main thing is you've got to know when to move them and where to move them. And so that's the main idea when it comes to the management. Because you don't know where to put cattle. You don't know where to move them. You're cheaper than anything. You just don't know what to do with them. You can ruin some land. Now, if you just listen to what we got here, just stop them. Just take a few seconds and just listen to the sound here. Hear the wind, smello, it's good. This is what the music is all about. This is music. And I don't think there's any type of a musical instrument that's ever been able to come up with anything like this. To the Indian, this is the music. The side of the trees, the side of the sky, the clouds, the water, the wind. And this is what we try to manage for. It's healthy, it's good. Of course, it gives them a different type of work. There's different phases when it comes to managing, say timber management, range management. Then we get into wildlife management. And that has to do with some fisheries, habitat improvement. We work with deer and elk. This type of thing. We work in watershed management, which as you see that lake there has evidence of good watershed management. We protected our springs and they're running into this lake and we've got a good lake for recreation for wildlife. Of course, watershed is mainly concerned with keeping the plant roots in the ground. Once you lose the roots of the plant, then you've lost your plant, of course. And once you lose your grass, you lose your soil. And once you lose your soil, you don't have agriculture. So we take care of our plants, the roots of the plants, of course. So this is watershed management. Timber management, this evening, a friend of mine by the name of C.J. Bryant will be in and he'll be talking to us about that. He's a forester by trade and he knows it pretty well. But there's a lot of different fields that a person can get into when it comes to natural resources. So the fields are really open to take care of the land around. They are. They really are. And every field has a lot of positions. A lot of people don't like to work out on the ground, but they work in the office. They do the administration, maybe you might say. And these are the things that I've tried to get across today as we've done our writing and done our grass utilization clipping and talking about different things. And I just wondered what do you think about it now that we've gone through the day and I know you've been thinking about your future and what you feel you'd like to do as far as a vocation. And I wonder how you see it now after having been out with us today. I look at it a lot differently. I'm just new to it and that's why I didn't realize all these things were happening around me, at least around the forest and things like that. It's a complicated field. The fields, I mean, are complicated and we need good men, good women. We need good people. And I think that the Indian people are one of the best places we can get them. When Indian young people take an interest in the natural resources of this country, they'll be improved so much more because we're naturals at it. We belong to the land, we come from the land and there's no way that we can't manage if we take an interest. But we need to come back to the land and learn about it and express our feeling for the land in the way we take care of it. Writing tomorrow morning, coming, bull-egging, sore. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm a little bit sore also. You like to buy the creek here. Hello, Joe. Hello, CJ. How are you? How are you, man? Pretty good. How are you, man? This is Matthew Tortas. I've been telling him about it. Yeah, grab a seat here. We're just talking about it, you think? You had a long trip, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I had a hard time finding you guys. You ever had a lost couple of times, but made it okay. You had a pretty good trip a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was nice. It was a nice country. Were you just visiting or... I come down to see Joe. I've known Joe for a long time and I thought I'd come down and say hello. Where are you coming down from? I came down from Pendleton. That's a couple hundred miles north of here. Did you have any trouble? Oh, I made a couple of wrong turns, but other than that, I made it all right. This is kind of a hard place to find. It is. It's kind of out of the way. You sound like you've been pretty busy. Yeah, they're thinking about careers in this type of world. I thought it'd be really good for you to come because I was interested in range management or forestry. I definitely know where I want to go to school. Those two fields. Well, don't let Joe influence you too much because forestry just doesn't give a feel to that. A little bit of a range management. No, they're both interesting fields. There's a lot of similarities in forestry and range management. We were thinking that you might be able to give Terry and Matthew an idea just as to the openings or any kind of a career opportunity that might arise for them to tell us about that and then talk to us about forestry in general. Well, there... I would say there's a lot of opportunity now for young Indian people in forestry. I'm not talking strictly about forestry, but of course there's a need for Indians in range management and fisheries and wildlife and the other natural resource fields, but I'm a forester and that's where my interest is. And forestry gives me an opportunity to earn a good living and to work outdoors like I like to. And it's also... there's some intellectual challenge and stimulation. You're not just doing the same thing over and over. You're constantly doing different things. But in order to do it, you have to have a degree in forestry to really do the professional type work. What kind of opportunity would there be there for girls? Well, I'm beginning to see more and more female foresters and so I would think that there's the same opportunity for women now as there is for men. You know, I've been in the field about 15 years when I came in. I had never heard of a woman forester. A woman forester was about as rare as an Indian forester. But now, when I go to meetings, I see women setting in them and... Is that right? Yeah. There's becoming more and more women in forestry. For an Indian student to get into these careers, forestry, range management, is there money around for me or Matt? I've heard that there's a program at Humboldt State called the NACNAR program. And from what I'm told, they're trying to get more Indian students into the natural resource field. Would they help us out, let's say? Well, they'll help you get into college and from what I've been told, they'll help you get your financial aids. It's a group of Indian students working together, living together. They've got Indian counselors, they've got an Indian director. So there are a lot of people interested in seeing Indian people get into these fields. I know it's going to be hard because I'm not too good with books anyway. I think you have to work hard. I'm convinced almost anyone can get through college if they want to work hard. Hard work, that's the main thing. I don't think there's anything that's worth having or any type of person that's worth having more than a person that works hard. The thing is, when you get that degree, you've got an opportunity to learn. You learn to think in school. If you want to learn to do a job, you've got to learn how to do it. And in order to have that opportunity, you've got to go to school. That's the way things are. Back to you. Next time, I hope you'll be able to put your hats on. Stay on the line. I learned a lot. Well, I hope we gave you a good outlook on range managers, forestry, and maybe a little bit about the other resources. Like I said, we enjoyed having you up. Be sure to come back to you. Say hello to your folks.