 What we need to first do before we even start this quiz, is we need to decide the criteria that we're judging this off of. Exactly. Because if we don't come to common criteria, we're going to judge these videos now. What we're going to do is a quick break and go into the Marvel ranking list and what would be best is if we both did it on the same screen. Can you pull up the list on your phone? Not the list, the end of the list, but the website where you choose which one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because what we'll do is we'll make up the criteria as we go and see if we can come up with the same one. Well, we'll just go through, it's going to give us options of movies. Though I will say this, could you remember what you had as your original top three and what you had as your original top three? Like, did you have Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man and Thor Ragnarok as your top three? No, you did not. Am I newest one that I sent you? Because I think my newest one is my most best one. Yeah, yeah. Civil War Guardians and Winter Soldier. I also agree those are great, fantastic movies. And then it looks like you have Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 and Thor Darkwing. I think this is going to be very, very easy. Yeah, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor Darkwing. We are going to have a very easy time doing this because I'm, but what we'll do is we'll actually pull up. I accidentally broke my phone last, yesterday. Yeah, I had it in the case and everything. All right, let me get to the website. Let's see who pulls up first. I sent you the link for take the quiz. You sure did. I got it right here. Let's go. Did your start out with Iron Man 2 and Thor? My Iron Man at Infinity War. We should probably just go off of one then. Okay, yeah. Because if we do it off of two, we're probably not going to win. Absolutely. You want to do it off yours because mine screams Crash? Yeah, yeah. When it screams on Crash, you can do it off mine. Okay. Not going to make that big of a difference. So this starts with Iron Man 2 and Thor. Wow. Okay. So already, already we're lower down in the bottom of the list. So let's talk about what we're doing real quick. Right now what we're going to do is there is roughly 15 MCU movies in existence right now. Roughly, yeah. That Infinity War has come out. We're going to determine the greatest of all time and the worst of all time at that list. We're going to have a list of 15 and we'll ultimately determine the greatest of all time for the worst of all time. What we need to first do before we even start this quiz is we need to decide the criteria that we're judging this off of. Exactly. Because if we don't come to common criteria, we're going to judge these movies in two different ways. Yes. And we won't come to an agreement. And not only that, but also for people watching. Can you unlock the screen real quick? Oh yeah, yeah. We're using, I'll put the link at the bottom of this video. But basically what we're doing is using a website that ranks two movies at a time, sort of like a Terminant Bracket. And at the end, it says basically who won the bracket and then who lost. And in this case, the person who wins is the greatest MCU movie of all time. The person at the bottom is the worst MCU movie of all time. Yeah. So I would say what I value my criteria is judging movies in their own right and not based on any of the other previous movies. Like as an insular example. We already kind of do this differently then. Okay. Because when I watch, since these are a timeline as I see it, I am judging how well the movie develops the character. Yes. The most specific movie. The one of the most important things to me is character development. Yes. When I watch fiction movies in general. So what I'm saying is if there's two movies called like Squirrel Girl 1 and Squirrel Girl 2. And Squirrel Girl 2 has better arcs of the characters. And that's the better movie. Even if Squirrel Girl 1 came out first and set the tone and was like. What I want is like. This was a better movie. I want the movie to, but I do somewhat, make a relative look at another movie before that one. So for instance, if I watch Iron Man. Yes. I'll judge Iron Man's character on how he set up an Iron Man. Yes. And when I watch Iron Man 2, I go. What has happened to Tony's character since Iron Man 1? Now in Iron Man 2, that his character has grown, exhibited the traits that were established in Iron Man 1. Exhibited his morality as he has established. I want to make sure that because this is a universe and they're trying to set up a cinematic timeline. Yes. I am judging these movies as a timeline. Sure. I still run movies with different actors and different performers and different. Imagine jumping into a comic book. I just want to make one point. I just don't want to give because they all take place in the same universe. So they're technically all sequels to each other. I just don't want to give movies at the end of the timeline more points because they had more stuff to base things off of. I don't do that because there are some later movies where characters make decisions that I'm like. Yes. It's not established in the previous movie that makes sense for this character to do. Oh, okay. So it would actually come as a strike against that. So it works for and against movies later in the timeline? I think we have a good initial criteria to start and then from there we can modify it as we continue. So what do we have right now? Iron Man 2 and Thor, which are going to be two hard movies to judge. Because we both don't like these movies. Well, that's one, but we're going to have to judge them based on something other than characters. The character is one criteria to judge, but if you're setting up two movies like this against them, I have to go Iron Man 2 is a continuation of Iron Man's character, so it's not setting up the understanding of Tony's character. We already have an understanding of Thor's character. But Thor is an initial movie for setting up Thor as a character. So they're going to make two different methods of setting up Thor. You're saying Iron Man 2 comes into it with the advantage of the previous movie coming into it. So it might be harder to make that comparison still. That's what I'm saying, in this movie specifically. We can choose these movies based on just how the characters are in this movie. Was there a good dynamic range of the acting? Was the score memorable? Was it really interesting? I like those things. Was it a good film? I will tell you this. Two of my top things that I judge movies off of. Character development. Whether it's from the start of the movie to the end of the movie or from the start of the MCU universe to the end of it. I do character development. So for these movies I'm going to do from the start of the movie to the end of the movie. I would argue that, and then I'm sure I get this right, Loki is actually a better villain than Whipman who was in this movie. Yeah, I'll agree. But the main protagonist is much better in Iron Man 2 than Thor in the original. The main protagonist as I can understand it is... Is this OG Thor with Natalie Portman as the romance interest? It was played as a romance movie for the most part. There's a lot of Shakespearean-esque talking. That character tries to tell the movie. Whenever Thor is only on screen... I think it's mostly on screen coming to age story for Thor though. I agree, but whenever Thor by itself is on screen, he doesn't have the attitude and charisma as he does in Ragnarok. Oh yeah. When I'm watching that movie I'm bored because I'd rather have Loki on screen and Loki hasn't had the chance to do those machinations yet to backstab people and be like, he backstabbed these characters I appreciate. Whereas with Whippy Man, he's working for a guy whose Tony Stark's father got the trade by Tony Stark's dad. So he's kind of like... He invented the original Iron Man suit prototypes, yet Tony Stark is now the famous man for it. So he has a good motivation. Even though he's a silly looking guy with lips, he has good motivation to do the things that he does and it's fleshed out in a really interesting way. And there's no Mandarin I think in Iron Man. No, that's Iron Man 3. That's Iron Man 3. Iron Man 3 was probably the weakest villains of them all, but a good character set in Tony Stark. But I would say between the two you have a really good, interesting main character, Tony Stark. He's dealing with his demons, and that will be something that will be explored on future, but it's like the nice start of that. I think you introduce Black Widow in this movie as well, Iron Man 2. I'm not sure. It's been a little bit... Is she on the poster? Is she on the poster on the left-hand side? Yep. That's the first time she was ever on screen as a character and she's a great contribution to the series of all. I think she's not played for sex appeal, but she's played as a straight professional, absolutely putonic girl that's just really badass. And then you have Thor, which doesn't really have that, and has all the women glamoring over his biceps and six-packs and stuff. I would say Iron Man 2 is a better movie. I would say Iron Man 2 in this case is a better movie. Cool. It doesn't have to take this long for each one though. No, no, no. But what I... You said your criteria that I judge it on. The criteria I judge most movies on is first things, first character development. Second things... Was your better character development in Iron Man 2? Yes. I agree. Although, I judge it on a whole composition of all the characters. Got it. There's more characters developed than Iron Man 2. You understand the characters better in Iron Man 2. The only characters you understand, their motives, their outcomes, whatever it's to be it. Yeah. And Thor is basically Thor, and at the end of the movie, Loki. Yeah. And not to mention Thor has some pretty bad villains compared to Iron Man's Whippy Whippin. You had Thor with that bucket iron dude who shoots fire out of his armpits. Not cool. Let's move on. So Iron Man 2... Iron Man 2 wins. Okay. Now we're Iron Man 3 in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and I can instantly tell you which one I'm picking. Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Yeah. Yeah, I would say so as well. If you want to go over why... I would only say because there's a greater set cast of characters in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Iron Man 3 has one of the worst villains of all the movies, that fake Mandarin... Fake Mandarin is bad. Fake Mandarin is bad. But it's a good character study. Plus it's the one where Tony Stark's like, I'm going to stop being Iron Man. And I'm like, excuse me. There's some really funny moments in Iron Man 3 and it's a cool to see Tony Stark out of his suit, but it's not as compelling of a movie as some of the narratives there are in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Also better soundtrack. I think Guardians has a better composition of the movie. The movie looks better, plays better. The pacing is good. The storyline is really good. You have the characters that split off into two different things. I didn't like that so much, but I appreciated the ballziness of it. They all have to be with each other all the time. And I think even though they split off, the cast is still good in their own representative form. I will say this. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 does the sin of introducing the possibly the worst character in the MCU universe, which is Mantis. She is a creepy slug. She's a weird character, but she has interesting powers. She has interesting powers, but that is her only good trait. And everything else about her is creepy and weird. And truthfully, she's a really powerful character and we'll get to that argument when we get to infinity war. Or if you want to even make the claim for this movie, her power in this movie is to sedate the mind of what is basically this universe's God. Yeah, but she's just really poorly characterized. Oh, she has a very interesting character. She is straight up an extra from Good Morning Vietnam with Slug and with Piccolo to Antena and Black Eye Burgles. I'm like, no, that's gross. But I think Guardians 2 is better. I think so as well. All right. Okay. An incredible Hulk and Iron Man. Man, we're starting at the bottom. I like Iron Man, but I am going to admit my bias. Iron Man is my favorite Marvel character. So Iron Man 1 is the better movie. Iron Man 1 is the better movie. It might even be the best Iron Man movie. It is definitively, in my opinion, the best Iron Man movie. We can cross that bridge when we get there. But yeah, I would say just from Ark, from beginning to end, you have a completely different Tony Stark from the beginning to the very end of the movie. Yes. The same consistency. Tony Stark that at the beginning, he's like weapons for everyone. I'm selling weapons. Yes. I have no remorse for anybody. He realizes that's a dangerous ideology to live in if I give weapons to everybody. Right. People do bad things with them. And he's atoning by turning himself into a weapon. And he atones by saying, no, no, no, I'm going to reign all this power that I've created in. I'm the only one that gets to have it. I'm the only one that should use... Which is very selfish, but... He's putting himself at risk the most in this case. But if you understand Iron Man's character, and you'll see this throughout the arcs of the entire MCU, Iron Man is constantly trying to do what's best for everyone. Right. And sometimes... At a complete detriment to himself. At a complete detriment to himself. Even if it cost him his life, he still will try it. I will say this though. The Incredible Hulk has the best Bruce Banner in Ed Norton. Agreed. Okay. That's all I'm saying. That is Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk probably. Yeah. It's Ed Norton. Because I know this switch to what's his face. Who's Ruffalo? Ruffalo. Right. I just think Ed Norton's a better actor. Yes. And I would also say... The scenes where you have... Ed Norton by himself when he's not transformed are like the best scenes from that movie. And that's saying something in a Hulk movie. Yeah. Because Ruffalo, the best scenes are when he's Hulk. Yeah. So Ruffalo plays a really good Hulk. Pewdiepie God. Like that's the only scene that people remember from Avengers. They don't say any Ruffalo scene. But I think that Ed Norton is a better Bruce Banner. That's... Like for instance, just a quick side note. When you talk about Batman... Yeah. I think that The Dark Knight trilogy are probably the best Batman movies. But I think that... Defended the best Batman is Animated Series Batman? Oh, yeah, by far. But I didn't know if that's where you're going with it. Kevin Conroy, yeah. Anyway, let's keep going. So Iron Man is... Iron Man wins. Iron Man wins. That's easy. Captain America Civil War, Doctor Strange. Civil War easy. I will agree. Okay, yeah. Just character growth is amazing. Character makes sense, yeah. Doctor Strange is a knock-off Iron Man. Doctor Strange is a worse knock-off Iron Man. Yeah, so that's what it is. Spider-Man Homecoming in Guardians. Oh, you're going to hit me with that. Now we're getting to... We're at the top. Difficult things. Okay, so here's my argument. I think the bottom of the list could be easy. Yeah. I am going to say that Guardians of the Galaxy is a more full picture of Peter Quill as a character than Peter Parker from Homecoming Star and Man. Because you already started off with... I think the shortcoming that Spider-Man Homecoming gets is that it doesn't... It doesn't set up why. We know why Peter Quill. It's a great movie, but you don't get to learn from scratch. Right. Yeah, so I'm saying that... Peter Quill's why is because his mother died. He got picked up by... There you go, you're right. His father... You understand his true underlying motivations. You understand those way more. Yeah, and you understand once his adult character's introduced why he's doing in that situation what he's doing. Right. You don't understand it with Spider-Man. Not only that, but Soundtrack in Guardians of the Galaxy is almost iconic to that whole franchise. Yeah. And I can't tell you a single song from Spider-Man. No, because it's just all scores. It's just... It's all scores... Was there any... There were songs in there but I just can't remember any. From the minute that somebody starts going, Ooga Chaka! Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know... You know that hooked on a feeling's coming on and you're hyped. You get goosebumps and it's like... That's a song from that movie. That's a song from Guardians. And it's a great... It's hard to make a good Soundtrack, especially one that's made out of all commercial music. They did a great job. They did a good job. And there were scores in there as well. Guardians, I think Guardians is the definitive choice there. Winter Soldier and Ant-Man. I know you really like Ant-Man. All right. I know you really like Ant-Man. All right. I know... Let me at least just say why I really like Ant-Man. Yeah, I know. Ant-Man is, again, in a... I'm not even saying in the time that it came out, but it is very much an insular movie. I would say it is probably one of the best heist movies that exists. It was... So both of these movies are examples of... Oh, superhero movies can be more than just about superheroes. They could be spy thrillers, like Winter Soldier. Or they could be heist movies like Ant-Man. That's why I like both of these movies. I like both of these movies. If we are basing it solely on character development, Scott Lang in prison to Scott Lang as Ant-Man is a much more greater arc than Scott Rogers as super awesome spy and shield to not being in shield anymore. I... See, if I'm just judging it based on the movie, because we agree that's what we're doing, it's just judging these movies based on just their movies. What I could do is say that, like, from Captain America, from Captain America, Winter Soldier, from Captain America, the first adventure to Captain America, Winter Soldier... Right. Arc. But I will grant you that within these movies solely by themselves, Captain America... Has a much more... It's a great movie, but his arc is not as great as Scott Lang's in these two movies. Correct. Yeah. Now, I will grant you that the character development... Like your glasses. The character development of Scott Lang is better. Character development of Scott Lang is better. I will grant you that the plot of them both are kind of... They're kind of cliche. I would say that. I will give that to you. I'll give that to you. But if you want to have the movie that has the, I think, better storyline, in my opinion, it would be Winter Soldier. Because what we see in the storyline is a major twist that we see that... Shield has Hydra in it. Shield is basically Hydra. And not the good guys all the time. Yes. And they do have nefarious characters within them. It's a fantastic movie. Here's my thing. There's something to be said about stakes. Mm-hmm. The stakes in Winter Soldier... Are too high in Winter Soldier. The stakes are... Too high to the point where it feels diluted. Like, is the whole world at danger? Or is it the government and organization that's in danger? Does he like Bucky? Does he not like Bucky? Is this computer that's a Nazi? So are Nazis back? There's a lot of things going on. But in Ant-Man, it is a linear focus on I love my daughter. Mm-hmm. This is what I'm doing. I'm just trying to protect my family. And even though we're both like tiny little bugs fighting on a train set, the stakes feel appropriate for the fight that's going on. And you're emotionally invested because you like the girl. Cassie's great. Yeah. Here's what we're going to do. Okay. I'm going to grant you Ant-Man. Okay. But on a side note, I wanted to put this into your mind for an argument for Winter Soldier maybe at the University. Okay. Okay. You see Captain America is a very, do whatever it takes for my country. Die for my country. Yes. Fight for my country. You get that in the first adventure. It is very country-focused. Yes. It is doing what is best. And he has a very good trust of the people around him. Sure. Winter Soldier introduces the fact that the government, the people that he trusts all this time, maybe aren't worth trusting at all times. I get you. But there is betrayal that happens within the government, within large organizations that he doesn't see. He goes from a blind patriot to a conspiracy theorist. And by the time you get to Civil War, you can completely understand why Captain America says, hell fuck no. Right. Sorry, language. I am not letting the government have to say whether we go in and save people or not. Right. Because I know that there are nefarious characters who will subvert the government at times. I get it. We cannot trust them. I get it. But if we're going to talk about who the cast is, who the cast is, what are the cast's names? There is something where I consider chemistry among the cast. What's his name? Julio Pena. Yeah. It's insanely funny. It gets along with Ryan Reynolds. Perfectly. You also get Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. You also get Eva Longoria. Great. You got Michael Douglas. Yeah. Throwing in there? Cassie the girl actor it's hard to get kid actors great every like you have the His ex-wife and the cop buddy who's like I don't know. I don't like you, but I also kind of like you I don't know, but I also don't like you, but I don't hit you personally I just don't trust you and I think you're a bad influence on the kid, but I want you to be a good influence I want you to see the kid I want you to be a good thatcher like I get everyone there and they all just feel like a family and they get along really well And winter soldier you like you got like I don't know scar Joe there you got Rogers you got It's very that cast but the reason it is that close-knit cats is because the rest of the people those are the people Steve can Absolutely truck true, but I also don't feel like when the cameras are off they hang out with each other Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like even the actors themselves have characters that like maybe hang out with each other maybe like maybe Chris and Scojo do but I don't know not even like in the universe. They feel like they would have a Afterwards it feels very like distant like I am my job. You're your job Like I said as the as movies by themselves. Yeah, I will grant aunt. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah Thor Ragnarok Thor Dark World. This is easy. This is easy. This is a slam dunk Ragnarok. Yeah, it's amazing World is in my opinion the worst Thor movie. It's probably the worst Yeah, who is the worst or the worst or movie it had the worst mode is it has Okay, okay, that's how bad I think all right Thor Ragnarok one of the great. I just want to point out one Thor Ragnarok one of the greatest MCU movies I know we're not comparing against all the movies right now, but just in the sense of you had two mediocre Terrible Thor movies and they're like, let's give it one more shot and put more money into it And they're like really yes, let's just take as much risk as we possibly can let's get a great theme song Let's get a different director and see what they can do with it See what they can do with it and it blew my freaking mind. I think Thor Ragnarok is a Movie that you have to have to understand why Thor is the way he is in Right and it was without that movie you look at the past two Thor movies Yes, why is he acting this way in infinity? He's completely different no reason completely different Thor Ragnarok You see the entire you see him shed his whole hair everything you see you see Immense amount of loss that he has to go through absolutely you see so much humor at the same time to greatly balance But you feel like the humor is there because and I guess you finally see this in infinity work He's he's having to keep that humor in that mindset. Yeah, because as soon as he gets a real moment He like you're like this dude this guy's scars Yeah, because he lost his entire Eyeball he lost his sister he lost his father things. He lost his brother. He lost everybody. It's people everything his land He's lost his own world is to load get torn apart. This is a broken man Yeah, yeah, he's cracking jokes, but you feel it, but you understand it's great Yeah, so we're now at Captain America the first Avenger and the Avengers the Avengers is a better movie. I agree I Will agree that the Avengers is both from the feet of getting all their one together Yeah, actually having the full arc of that whole team go from we don't want to work together too We are now working I think I think you know, I think in a situation where they could have done a Swapy reason to throw the team together. Yes. This was a good Things are at stakes where all these characters would want to come in right and be there to take can also Throw out one thing too, but in the case of Thor Ragnar really only directed Avengers also really only directed Oh, yeah, such to the point that people are still Trying to Josh Weedon. Yeah, Josh. We should yeah, I'm still trying to Not mimic but like get the weed and ask feel in every other movie that came out after Avengers I think it's honestly what slapped the DCU into trying to be in existence is they went I think we can do that Yes, you can argue whether they did or did not do it with Justice League But I think the Avengers was something where they're like this is a great payoff for what we've been built for what I'm saying Is that weed in us movie in Avengers was the first time they were like? Oh, this is a style that people like let's keep trying to do that And you will see that in every other movie past Avengers them trying to slip in jokes But not doing it as well as he did he did it the best time then yeah He did Avengers the best thing that was ever happened. Hey, let's go for it next argument black Panther or infinity war I panther and I don't have a very high opinion of infinity war We've had this discussion. I have my issues with it, but you think it's a better movie than black panther. I Don't know. I'm kind of apathetic to both of these movies. They're perfectly honest with you when it comes down to this movie. I Have to honestly go I would say Thanos is a better villain than Kilmonger Thanos is a better villain than Kilmonger, but if black panther is better directed than Infinity War which was just a mess from beginning to end plus you don't know when that how it ends That is a two-act movie I think the shortcomings of I think the shortcomings of maybe black panther would be the composition of the movie. Okay, sure. Yeah It one it feels very rushed Okay, too, I think the way that this the stakes first set up in the movie Like it's kind of dumb stakes Well, when they do the whole situation we're like, oh, he's dead But psych he's not really dead because he's alive and I'm like I like I didn't do that kind of if if we are grading this movie on character development There is character arcs in black panther. There is non-existent arcs for every character in Infinity War it is incomplete Infinity War movie lacks character arcs because it's relying off of you seeing the character arcs in the movies before Only that but when judged by itself. It is a very weak movie We don't know even know where it ends and we don't know where it ends like we literally don't know like that is a bump bump Yeah, I don't see how you rank that higher than like that In this context in this criteria, you can change the criteria if you want to but I'm just No, no, no, it doesn't seem like it makes sense. We suck to definitive criteria Would you be comfortable saying black panther is a better movie than infinity war? I think Thanos is a villain has He's a more empathetic villain than killmonger college. That's what I mean by better I think he's a bit. I think he's more empathetic more. You can see you can see a viewpoint better than I guess I Not really good at saying why killmonger's viewpoint. I wouldn't be the one who I don't know No, don't say it that way. I think killmonger's viewpoint is Sort of like a weird how do I put it ultra? Flanderization of like stigmatized Did we get we're gonna get super political to go into this I don't think he's an accurate representation of the things that he's trying to fight for like I feel like And I don't think that his ultimate goal of I'm gonna be the king of Wakanda What's the first thing you do give weapons to black people like no, what are you that doesn't even resolve that any of the Issues that you were talking about by institutionalized. Yeah imbalances of power. So yeah, we're gonna get the guns and we're gonna get the Vibrarian buys things and pick the streets and like His viewpoint for my for my view is that things that have been done Negatively to him have been done through people with power. He now has all the power Is do exactly what the people that did him wrong he's going to do the same exactly He's literally just flipping the roles of the racism and just giving power to yeah To do we're at dark skin instead of the white skin and the reason I think that Thanos is the better villain is because Thanos is not trying to do this out of out of some sort of revenge scheme So Thanos truly believes that what he's going to do is going to be the betterment of the universe I get you and it feels called the Thanos movie and the Killmonger movie Thanos Wins, but the thing is Infinity War has a lot of problems from a different It keeps restarting Seven times in the movie because it's time the movie from like the perspective of seven that's why I think the movie fails So it goes and then it starts to be set and four out of the three Seven restarts have a love story in them which are unnecessary because I don't really care about the characters love story so black Hulk and Scarlett Joe I don't care about that Gamora and Peter Quill like it's more funny to just have it as a playful sort of thing Not only that but a lot of characters act out of character Infinity War did a bad job at Peter Quill and Gamora's relationship. Thank you guardians, too Did it better? Yeah, you understand better their situation in guardians too? Absolutely, not only that but like you have a Literal handful of Mcguffins all swirling around each other in that movie Whereas in Black Panther, it's like It's not that I bring me in the matters It's not even that magical flower that like brings people back to life or whatever like as you talk to your like the seas Yeah, it's more of just like How do I deal with the fact that the bad guy has? Some has a right to feel the way he does because my dad did bad things did bad things to him Yeah, so I understand that yet. I have to be like a figure. Yeah, like peace yet I know that I'm Institutionalized put in this position of advantage I was saying like should I am I really in the good? I was saying he's wrong you understand you understand To Chala Chala. Yeah, you understand his character art very well at first. He's very much like Isolationist when a stick to our world, but he sees but after he meets come on her and here's come on your arguments He doesn't necessarily agree with what come on wants to do, but he sees yeah The world is in a pretty bad my eyes are open my eyes are open to the problems outside of my land Yes, I will decide to make the ending the ending character is I know I had this isolation as viewpoint But we can't always have that viewpoint. We have we have the resources to help the world So we need to do and I think that character growth is the reason why it's better moving in than anyone agree Okay, I think that's why I said judging them alone Black Panther would be okay, but Um Avengers Age of Ultron and ain't me in the walk. I have not seen eight man in the loss I can tell you it's better than Ultron I would probably agree that it's better than age of Ultron. I do not like age of Ultron It does everything at man does except introduce one bad character But aside from that it does everything at man does and and actually pushes some really cool things too The only characters motive I understand once let them in age of Ultron the only character Motive that I understand in the character development in that movie Yeah, and that makes no sense That's because Tony just watched what happened in the last Avengers And he goes if I can create an AI program that would mitigate this from ever happening again It would probably be better for the world But he never expected that AI program to become sentient and realize Humanities what needs to be eliminated age of Ultron is literally a movie of people running around for an hour and a half Maybe two hours and I was really for the first time disappointed when I walked out of a Marvel movie for the first time in that one I was like, yeah, what happened was that good? And I think the introduction of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were very waste of time We're very poor. I hate the way how she uses her magic powers like that looks so dumb Also, because I would probably grant the ant man in the losses If you have a witch and you have Dr. Strange who's like a wizard Shouldn't they kind of use magic in the same way kind of like why does her thing look like this? And and I think her is like psycho kinesis where his is like, I don't I don't I don't know Yeah They shouldn't introduce them until they got the rights for mutants and then they can just said hey We're X-Men and like whoa, what are X-Men and then that's like a you'd be like mutagen holy shit The next adventure is gonna be amazing because then they get X-Men in there, too But because of this it feels neutered. Yeah, but they had a timeline They didn't know whether or not they were gonna and I don't feel like you need vision as a character I don't get him at all aside from just having the power stone like I feel like it was just Vision seems like vision seems like something that they created as a like counter AI program, but it It makes me question. I like Jarvis better than vision is what I'm saying It makes me question why Why it worked the first time Why why Ultron became an AI program that decided that destroying the world was the best thing Yeah, and why vision suddenly became an AI that decided that saving everything was the best thing It seems like if they were created through basically the same methods you would almost expect them to come out with the same Out yeah because they're both exposed to the same amount of information. It's weird It's a bizarre movie I also don't like the fact that Ultron's basically a robotic Tony Stark like I understand They're trying to make it a father-son thing, but like we have enough Tony Starks. Yeah, please be something different now I will say the introduction of Ultron with the in the trailer was pretty awesome. Hmm. I think I think written I think reimagining the What I don't know the name of the song but you know the Pinocchio. Yeah. Yeah, I have no strings to hold me down Yeah, yeah, I think reimagining that and that like I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I but but we're not judging me. So what do we got next Thor and Iron Man 3? I thought we already did this. No, we did Iron Man 2 and I in Thor. Hmm. So now we have Thor and Iron Man 3 Which I think Thor is now the better movie than Iron Man 3. Oh I would actually say Iron Man 3 is the better movie in the war Only because character development you literally get to see Iron Man out of his suit now You know he's no longer powerful Iron Man Yeah, Tony Stark is more than just Tony Stark in the suit He's actually in a core field in Ohio, and it's like what can you do willing to sacrifice his life? Yeah Knowing that he doesn't have and he's breaking into buildings and he's like trying to say pepper pots And he's like and even though you have the Mandarin as like the joke. Yeah, it's better than that main tin foil hat Shovel head dude. Yeah, I think I remember is a better movie Better character melon better villain better main actor I'd rather watch any 15 minutes of Iron Man 3 with Tony Stark talking than any 15 minutes segment with Thor talking The Natalie agree also pepper pots Tony Stark is the only relationship. I actually really care about okay So now we have Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 Do you have an opinion on this one Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 There's There's there's arguments for each I think Iron Man 2 I Hear here's my thing. I'd I thought what they did in Iron Man 3 was a bigger risk than what they did in Iron Man 2 Iron Man 2 they introduced war machine And I think like that was the coolest thing that they're able to do Iron Man 3 was like We're gonna take away all the suits and just really have Tony Robert Downey Jr. Act Because we have Robert Downey Jr. I like Iron Man 3 better and then the argument I'll make is that the same argument we made over the floor is that you do get to see that Tony Stark is More than just the suit. Yes Tony Stark is Iron Man holds to his foundational beliefs Even when he is most vulnerable right and you see this again an infinity war right when his suit start when that Nanotech suit that he has starts breaking up rumbling He is still finding Thanos knowing damn well that he can be murdered But it's like Tony Stark is a brilliant man. He is Iron Man like you can put on a suit But that doesn't make you Iron Man like he's Iron Man without a suit Yeah, he's one frigging out all these things and in the entire movie of Iron Man 3 is him dealing with like this modular suit He's been playing around with so like there's times where he only has the glove or times We're only has like a shoe or I only has like a helmet, but it didn't work Like he makes mistakes and it's fun to see like even with the pieces. Yes, like he has to scramble together He's still solving this problem as best he can what we got next So Iron Man Three better than Iron Man 2 correct. You just gave it to Iron Man 2 You just clicked Iron Man 2. No Iron Man 2 was on the left. Oh, okay. I promise. All right I'll look at it. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You're right. Dr. Strange in the Incredible Hulk I'm wanting to actually probably give this one to Dr. Strange. Oh, what's wrong? Oh, really? Here's the argument Really? Okay. Dr. Strange. That's fine. I think Has a maybe better story art. He has Steven Strange. Okay. Here's my here's my argument There's no art. There's no art in Dr. Strange. He is an asshole at the beginning. No, no, no, you're looking at the magic powers You're looking at the wrong character. Talk to me. His character is someone who is very definitive Held down in science will not adhere to any other belief that he cannot tangibly hold That can be tested so that way when he's actually Introduced to this like magical plane of existence. He doesn't believe for one bit right and then Through experience he becomes he becomes someone that is That not only at first didn't believe that this was all important or even existed To someone who believes that this is actually something important and worth Like his life to try to protect But I will agree to you that he is still the arrogant Character from start to finish. Can I give you the character art for? Incredible hope this is a while back to go. Yeah, this is a long time ago for this maybe so I Edward Norton is basically a guy who's sequestered himself far far away from people because he sees himself as a danger to humanity and Realizes that he can't even kill himself because as Ruffalo would refer to our references Like he would put a bullet in his who shoot himself and then wake up with a bullet in his mouth And like in a destroyed building because the whole took over so he's like he's he's trying to do his best To like try to not hurt people whatsoever because he can't control himself He's been trying to meditate and try to like stay away from people as much as possible But through the end of the movie he becomes a completely different person He's not only getting control of his ability to do like he finally gains control of his But he no longer sees himself as just a menace He sees the potential in him to be able to do good for people And it's with both of this personalities which he finally came to terms with it's like he understands There's a duality to him. It's not just a detriment. He can actually utilize I think I work with both people to come better. I think that's actually a better character art. I Agree, that's better character art My only issue with dr. Strange is there's like two things that could have done to make that movie really really good for me And that was give dr. Strange some sort of vulnerability. They didn't do that They he is very much still the rich brain surgeon accomplished man for for the entire movie he's always in a sense like How do I put it potty and correct in most of the things he does and so talented that he can literally can become the chosen Master of all the asian magicians. Yeah, even though he really just rolled in for years Yeah, he rolled in like two weeks ago, and he is very much every girl's facial hair. He's very much a He's a powerful character just to be powerful, right? I know this isn't anything with the movie, but event cool if they did two things one Have it such that he can't use his hands like he wasn't he was in an accident Here's my here's my dr. Strange. We were right. He was in an accident He can't and when he wakes up he can't use his hands his hands are fine They don't look broken But there's like something in his mind like so some psychosomatic little hiccup thing does that he can't like pick up things He can't like hold a scalpel anymore, and he's like what the hell is wrong with my hands His asian Co-worker says listen, I got a friend if you're into like homeopathic stuff She can help you it's like I might have to help you pack it stuff. I'm into science I'm not going to do that. But after a while he's like fine. I'm so desperate tell me where she's at Well, she's not here. You have to go to Tibet to find it's like fuck. Okay fine. I'll go to Tibet So he goes to the vet then the whole movie happens, but here's the thing It's not so much that he learns magical powers and like does everything perfect. It's mostly like He he messes up gets the cape and it's the cape. That's like basically like it's like the tuxedo and jackie chan It's like me and my smarts plus the cape and its ability to like help me out a little bit Are like two things that make me a really interesting Like magicians is able to look at things differently than the magicians around here and then have the black Magician friend who is actually the bad guy and like future dr. Strange comic books Have him be like he was slowly corrupting everybody anyway. So everyone kind of sucks and the main Scottish bald headed woman realizes I can't save my people anymore. They've been corrupt from the inside out I don't know who it is. You're a new face. Listen incredible hole. Here's this cape I want you to use I want you to use the ill help you it's like how's the cape gonna help me And then finally he's like able to like only use his hands for like magic But not for like tangible things So he has like a vulnerable vulnerability plus he's got like the cape thing So it's like this weird like little facet to his identity It's not just all him and then through two week training program. He's the best wizard in the planet I agree. There's a thing you can do to make it more interesting. His character ramped the power Yeah And it doesn't it doesn't I think he would answer it's my same issue probably that I would say that I have with Ray in Scotland. It's They're just powerful for the sake of being powerful with no explanation of how they got that power It's just literally put dr. Strange after he kills demon new Back at the first scene in the same movie and he would still be on his iphone Still be on his ipad getting in a car accident. He wouldn't have learned anything. So the incredible hulk is I actually think there's a better arc there It's surprisingly a great ed norton movie Just a bad hulk movie But it's one of the best hulk movies in the fact that we had to we had one bad hulk movie beforehand That was actually the best hulk movie. That was probably the best movie Uh now we have the incredible hulk in captain america civil war civil war. You know it Okay, I was That is your friend. Oh, that's me. Yeah, I've turned off my vibrate right now. All right. Who's talking to me? Uh, now we have civil war and iron man and I I signed on civil war. I still say civil war. Yeah There are some great arcs in civil war. There are some great stakes in civil war, too. My thing is My thing is all three of the main characters in civil war Tony uh Tony bucky and steep They all They all really like So one of the greatest scenes in that movie is when we finally get the reveal Of the whole thing with like, yeah, why this guy's doing all this. Yes. So we get to this They're in the that military station or whatever. So be it. Yeah, and then the video starts playing. Yeah, and then Steve can start telling what's going on in the video. He can start seeing because he knows he's like that's bucky's buck. Oh crap And then he's like No, no, no, turn this off. It's like, no, no, don't watch this. You don't want to see this He's not going to help whatever situation we're in right now Right And then Tony's like, no, I want to see this because they finally trusted each other after everything and then finally like It wasn't even It wasn't even the fact that you have to understand Tony grew up being like what his father saw as a failure And it was only his mom that really held him down So when he it wasn't the fact that his dad died, he doesn't he doesn't say, oh my dad died or oh, you killed my parents He specifically says you killed my mom F you yeah, I'm going to kill you and it was the first thing you see Tony Stark at his lowest You see like he's like and not only that but like literally when he loses the fight against bucky and Steve He's like that shield doesn't even belong to you like he's literally limp on the floor out of power He can't fight back and he's just doing whatever he can to just stick it to Steve Rogers And when he slams that shield into that pavement, you're like Steve is done And Tony is done and it's like wow and then like the line where Steve's Where it seems like don't do this. He's my friend. He's like I thought we were friends Yeah, because even though they have co-each they have like An abrasiveness against each other and ideology sometimes is he sees him as And not only that but they started in the same civil war starts in this with both of them in the same room talking to each other And ends on that note. That is a huge arc. That is a huge change and you're like Even if that was the final movie, that's that was the last time we saw those suit. That's a huge thing Not only that art by itself. You also have to apply the other arc of You have the other arc of everything that's going on with government wise And you can and you understand Tony's arguments for it And you understand captain's arguments for it from because you can understand through their perspectives why they would both believe Yeah, Tony thinks that power is something that should be Tony thinks the power is something that should be reigned in Controlled and he knows that the the Avengers have so much power right and without any kind of control They can do really detrimental things to people that could cause the world to be in a worse state Yeah, he's seeing what weapons can do. Yeah and then But so he thinks the government can help bring this in if we work with them Cap on the other hand understands government can like I'd say that earlier when we're talking about Winter soldier. Yeah, he's been portrayed by the government. I think we locked it in. Yeah. Yeah, we did. What's next? A winter soldier and spider-man homecoming. Okay, so I It's up to you. What do you think? um spider-man I don't understand spider-man's character arc and homecoming. I'm sorry. Really? um Spider-man's character arc is basically he keeps getting fortunate Things from Tony Stark and fortunate things from Avengers But it's not until that all those things are taken away from him that he realizes What who is Actually spider-man and it's peter parker and it's when he's covered in all those giant center blocks In his little hoodie outfit Because he was still trying to get the bad guy that he's like Come on spider-man. Come on peter. Come on spider-man. Like you or spider-man And when he finally gets out of that that is a character. That's like man. I got this power suit Man, I got this character arc is the same as Tony's His character arc is I talked to me Well, maybe not exactly the same sir. Sure. But I definitely Iron Man 3 Tony We finally look where he finally learns it is not the suit that makes the man It is the man that makes suit. Yes, and what is it winter soldier? I feel like never got to that low depth I think the lowest step in winter soldier is when Samuel L Jackson general L Jackson died But he didn't actually die. I think maybe the lowest point is in in civil war is probably where Cap feels like he has absolutely no one that you can rely on he's even questioning of scojo Sure, because he's just like I have absolutely no clue who I can trust I get it. That's nowhere as low as peter parker. Oh, that's nowhere as low as My life is right now on the line unless I somehow figure out that I am and I had no one to help me because I'm literally under Mountains of Rubble Yeah, because and I love how the villain is in homecoming where it's like I'm going to kill anyone who crosses me the villain is very much more understandable and homecoming than in winter soldiers Yes, because the villain in winter soldier is technically like the government and government power in and Yeah, where the villain in homecoming is like I'm gonna try to do my job a guy that wants to provide for his family Basically, yeah, I think it's a better movie. Uh, yeah, okay Uh, spider who's homecoming an aunt They basically They kind of had the same kind of Arcs, I will agree that spider man has a better at least the same The net man. Yeah I think the villain arc in ant man or the villain arc in homecoming is actually who Scott Lang is What he's like, I do You're right. He's like, I do illegal stuff to help my daughter I do illegal stuff to help my daughter, but they're just two different characters and different, right Here here's the weird thing about spider. Okay, atman. Here's the group. Here's a brilliant thing about atman There are very very low stakes in that movie Like that is just a business man trying to do a business an evil business man's trying to come up with an evil business idea Well, you think the stakes in spider man are really large. Well only What's the main like I feel like in spider man, wasn't there like this giant ship that was flying And he was like that could teleport and like turn like invisible and all that stuff and like They just had alien attack I mean I will say this about spider man, but I think atman does better any 10 minutes any random 10 minutes of atman is good It's really fun to watch. Oh, you might get a random. Listen. You might get over there Oh, oh great. There are parts in homecoming. You're like this is they're sitting in high school And there's like, oh does peter park ever crush on this girl? That's cool. Are they sitting in detention just staring at each other. Okay, we're waiting Are they literally in a bus doing math problems and I'm not watching this sequence play out I think that whole thing was to set up peter as a character. I get it, but like this is boring Ant-Man is like it's a it is primarily an egg right through It's an egg right movie from nearly beginning to end it feels like it Which means it's just constantly high-paced and everything is necessary And there's there's this that huli opinion thing where you're just like, okay guys So check it out. So I was at the park and my friend was like, hey, man You heard the latest episode of the sopranos and everyone's like having so much fun in that movie There's everyone's having so much fun in that movie that I can't help but have fun when I watch it I will grant ant-man is better than spider-man homecoming and if you literally ask me which movie would I I know this isn't the question, but if you ask me which movie I'd watch right now, I'd be like ant-man That's like a fun Do you think they both have really good character developments? I I think You think the pacing of ant-man is better. I think the pacing of that man is better I think the direction of that man. I would say the character development is both on level Yeah, the villains are both on level. Yeah But the pacing of ant-man is better than I think ant-man has literally like because of its focus Rises to once main climax and drops down whereas spider-man is like, okay So then he has to tie that together and then there's that washington monument thing. Okay, then he fights the The vulture again, then he's in the spaceship thing again. Like what is this it? Like there's a lot of steps. I agree That I don't really feel where the main climax is The pacing is Ant-man is like boom boom boom and you you can lock yourself into like a real fun ride for that I feel like it's just a better constructed film compared to spider-man. There. Yeah, it is the best spider-man movie But I just feel like ant-man's the better. Oh, yeah, they did spider-man absolutely right Absolutely, right brilliantly casted. I just feel like there's way better chemistry going on in ant-man everyone's having more fun From now on I would probably say Tom Holland probably best spider-man 10,000 percent. I can't wait for the next spider-man movie I think the poster in ant-man's better than the atrocity of the spider-man upcoming movie It is a terrible crazy psychedelic poster that doesn't reflect the tone of the movie at all No, whereas ant-man I remember the original ant-man poster It was literally all white with a little speck in the center They're like what's going on here and if you look in it's that yeah with ant-man at the bottom I'm like what I'm not going to enjoy this movie and I turned out it was an amazing movie. Okay, so ant-man Ooh ant-man and guardians You can give it the guardians I I honestly think you give it the guardians. I think honestly guardians is better soundtrack better character growth better soundtrack better character growth better villains Better villain better villain than an ant-man Yeah, yeah better villain than ant-man. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't say the villain in guardians is a good villain No Because he's he's basically Thanos light No, but like and we don't even understand his motivations You understand his motivations his his race. He's basically killmonger, but blue Good good point. He just wants power. No, he wants power. He wants a revenge against the not the kree but the other race Oh, yeah, yeah the scroll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he wants his people to rise higher. Basically. Yeah I would say ant-man's villain is basically just an asshole businessman Um, I would say the character the character Interaction. Yeah is better in guardians. Yes And most of that is because some of the lines that are written as comedy are perfectly developed And even even as simple lines as group just going sure group sure I am group Understand the context of what he's saying at that point Garnet in the galaxy did what up did in that first seven minutes What Garnet in the galaxy did that in like the first two minutes where you see the mother died from cancer Kid run away and you're just like no words and you're just like, oh, I'm lucky to this character. He's I'm already sold Yeah, I'm already sold in this movie. Awesome. Oh good garden. Uh Okay, well, I don't think there's a competition here, but if you want to make an argument where are the options, uh Captain America the first Avenger and Thor the dark world. Okay, Captain America the first Avengers the better movie Yes, yeah, okay. I've already stated my opinion. Okay, we're dark world You will you will have to if we ever get to an argument that you want to throw Thor the dark world over something You won't have to convince me hard because I think that movie is Agreed very Like I think on my list that I finally sent you like my finally like Thor the dark world is sure sure sure I would say like fantastic four stick is probably the only worst Thor Ragnarok and Captain America the first Avenger Thor Ragnarok. I agree. Okay. I agree. Okay The Avengers and Thor Ragnarok, this is actually good Okay, so I like I'm just going to judge the characters because Thor Thor Ragnarok only has Thor in Hulk no Thor Ragnarok No Thor Ragnarok is basically an Avengers onto itself. It has hella Who's awesome played brilliantly has Bruce Banner and Thor has Valkyrie. It has Thor. It has Jeff freaking gold bloom All in the same movie. Yeah in the same movie. Yeah, how is this movie this crazy and it works? It's an amazing. Which one has a better villain? Who's a better villain hella or Loki? So when I think about it both Jeff Goldblum and hella are the villains. Oh, Jeff Goldblum and villain I thought he was an opportunist. Well, I mean he's he is both a slave master and the machination of why Thor and Loki and And the Hulk are all trapped on that planet while in a completely separate area Hella is taking over in another place. So it's like you have two villains in completely different areas. Uh Who are both? Jeff Goldblum's character is a villain just because he is He is the one thing standing between Thor Getting home and trying to stop. He's the initial antagonist and they're and it's and I would say he's an antagonist with so Much charisma that you like I like this guy, but like hella and is in her own right It's completely justified in everything that she does to the point where you she fought with her father to keep that world She deserves she she is out of out of all things. She is the better warrior. Yes And in that society, she is true heir to the threat. Yes, she is and a lot of people just didn't respect that But like she's like I did everything to get to us to where we are right now I got stabbed in the back by her dad who was also an asshole by the way and I don't have anything with you if you just bow bow to me right now and Thor is like I'm not gonna bow to you or it's like you don't even know what you're supporting Fine, I'll kick your ass right here and he's like I shouldn't have kicked your ass. Yeah, you destroyed my hammer Holy crap. I'm now in this prison planet. Like there's some I would say like the right is funner in Thor Ragnarok than it is in Avengers I think Thor Ragnarok is the better movie. Okay um And I think also better soundtrack than Avengers. Hilla is a better villain than red hood No red hood red red mask. What what is Evil Nazi Hitler, dude. Oh red skull. Yeah, there we go. Also Loki's in this movie and oh, no, wait, wait No, this is Avengers. I wouldn't say Loki's a villain, but he's very much like on these team of two villains two good guys This was a mistake bouncing back forth. Uh, this movie this movie is Main villain is Loki. Yeah, who's great. I forgot about I forgot which movie was it But for every reason Loki's great in the Avengers. He's in Thor Ragnarok doing even more the best part of the Avengers is all the way up The best parts of the Avengers are everything before the attack on new york From the attack on new from the moment the attack on new york happens The pacing goes really arrived. No, that's the well. It's the climax of the movie. It's the climax. Sure. I understand It's a good climax as well. It is a good climax But what happens is you have a lot of characters that are all over the place and it is Flashing Let me just crush this argument for like slam dunk why Thor Ragnarok is better. You literally start with Thor I already think Thor is better though No, but you literally think Thor straight out you get the Thor straight out of Thor Ragnarok too Dark world. Yeah, and you end up with Odin sun eyepatch No hammer Short hair like face paint Lightning powers lightning powers strickeling all over his body and kicking ass. You're like I've seen this entire I do not need the hammer. I am Thor. He learns that I'm tired losing people and being weighed down by my shitty Pass it and didn't really understand myself. I'm going to be myself So so in this okay I'm going to be me not the hammer dude I'm going to be me. My Thor is Thor Ragnarok shows a good Thor Thor From this up until his moment is very I am Thor with my hammer, right? He thinks that Thor without hammer is not Thor. He thought this in the first movie That's why when he lost his hammer, he went I had to go earn it back And he thinks that's who I am Thor. I need my hammer Hella crushes like a bullet or easily and that blue is like That's one of the most powerful weapons in the world. I don't understand. Yeah, and then From that moment on He's very much being like how I'd be Thor without my hammer. Exactly. I can't be Thor without my hammer Right, like you even see him be like yeah, and the whole time is like you're not Thor You're Odin's son. Yeah, and then finally he goes finally he realizes I I am the son of Odin. I am the I am the god of lightning I have power outside of my hammer And when he finally realizes that he becomes more than just Thor But there's also Really good character moments where it's like his relationship with Loki's always been on the rocks like lucky You killed a lot of people. Look, you've always caused trouble because I mean about a thousand times But listen, I know that's what you're always going to do I'm just letting you know I love you because I've always thought of you as my brother And I know you're gonna be keeping you But know that I'm gonna keep being me and that person is the person who loves you and I'm like that elevator scene When he like puts the tracer or the the zapper on his back because he knew he was gonna betray him again and Loki's like Well, maybe I won't betray you, but like Thor knows him better than that. Yeah It's like the first time you have smart Thor. Yeah, and then funny Thor and I'll say this one last time Avengers was the first to establish the comedic tone with the Joss Whedon style Thor On it the best Thorak doesn't capitalize it and it involves it for the first time Yeah, I think I think Tycho with TV is a funny guy Thor like the Rock uses comedy the best. Yes There might be some convenient moments that fall apart like when he's in uh What's his face as a lair and he's spinning around in the chain? That was hilarious That was funny. He's like, oh, what are we doing? How funny to see you here. He's sounding like a skull And he's like doing the whole summary of the movies and then when they go back and there's a play of the other two Movies that's stupid and hilarious too. It's very fair as below like I bet you're wondering how I got Yeah, but consider where Thor was Two terrible movies and then something like just get rid of all that but start off with our base Avengers, Age of Ultron and Infinity War Let's start with villains Because I think I can Thor Thanos is the better villain Thanos is the better villain Thanos is They are both movies that don't go anywhere. So if you want to go to infinity or they are both movies that don't go anywhere If you want to give it to infinity war you can give it to infinity war They are literally both movies that don't have an arc for anybody Yeah Like there's not really an arc for anyone in that movie I think Hawkeye gets a farm. I think I think the only person who really has any kind of I think Thanos because of his Realization or efforts to I finally fulfilled the thing that he's been trying to do It's not even really an arc that Thanos had. It's just I'm a guy that's trying to do something I know it's going to be hard I'm the only person that's strong enough to do this thing that I'm trying to do and then he ends up doing I think that's what that's not like, but I don't think Ultron for like he's actually losing anything by doing that See Ultron has that very has that very I want to eliminate everything for the greater good as well But he doesn't he doesn't understand that there's an actual loss to that. Yeah, Thanos Thanos understands that even though Thanos is like Thanos is like this is something I don't want to do But it's something that I understand It has to be done. He he states this when he's talking about how he tried to make the decision on his homework He said I saw what was going to happen. I didn't want to do it But it was something that had to be done higher highs lower lows infinity war is get it Infinity war and ant-man in the wash you'll have to you'll have to I don't want to spoil the movie for you. You don't spoil it Imagine it imagine if it said ant-man, but instead of just it being ant-man It now has a much better villain. That's actually super fleshed out I give it to ant-man and wasp ant-man and wasp is ant-man, but with a much better villain That's what it is. The downside to all of ant-man was the villain The only issue with ant-man and the wasp that I wouldn't Rank it higher than ant-man and I know we aren't there yet is they make Two mistakes and I don't want to spoil it But they do one of the mistakes is they kind of dumbed down Scott Lang for the commute for comedy. Yeah, not like dumb. It's just he's become more of a Bumbling guy because in the context of the movie In the context of the movie you spent two years in house arrest while everyone else is doing everything after civil war So he's kind of like out of his element a little bit And then the second thing is there's like a really bad macguff and that's introduced very late in the game And I don't think it needed that but it's setting up for more stuff. So I didn't think they needed that All right, so ant-man and the wasp and black panther Ant-man and the wasp it's a better I think ant-man is better than black panther. So if you think ant-man and the wasp is on par with ant-man I don't know where you stand on black panther, but I don't really rank it very high I think civil war is a better black panther movie than black panther itself I think the market I was mad because black panther and civil war is a better black panther It is and he's downgraded in the second movie His actual own movie he literally has one emotion in the black panther movie whereas in in civil war He's like my father's dead. No, and he's like i'm gonna i'm gonna find the guy who killed my dad and he find kills this is Okay, so if you want to talk about I guess we can get there when we're judging the two movies if we ever judge me but In in civil war In civil war This probably will take the rest of the time. Yeah, let's take it till at least Eight Ten right so we got like another hour. Okay, ant-man easel. All right Black panther civil war. Black panther civil war has a character art that is my father died I'm irrationally thinking that I just want revenge. I just want to kill the guy I'm literally teaming up with these guys not because I like them because I want to kill my dad I don't care who that is or I don't care if I have proper evidence for who is I'm going to take it out on the first person I find yes, and then he he tries and struggling at the entire time Yeah, and finally when he finds the truth out of who caused all this when he has them in front of him says You're not going to die You don't get off that easily exactly. I actually have other plans Not only not not in the sense of I'm going to hurt you more No, and I am finally had finally learned from everybody else who've been punching and kicking each other That revenge is not the path. I am better than all these assholes who call themselves He's just watch what revenge does. Why revenge causes you to kill people? Literally he's like turning from all these dumb people. It's like I'm not going to be one of those people I'm we're doing it different even though you killed my dad Death is too good for you And I'm now I've realized that revenge isn't the answer like that is a brilliant art For an origin story plus all that extra civil war is an amazing movie But when you watch the black panther movie you get none of that So out of this one, I think And then it was actually really fun Dr. Strange isn't the one Dr. Strange Okay I I agreed on that one if we don't if we have disagreements That's the only time we'll have to actually have Iron Man 3 or Dr. I say Iron Man 3. This is Iron Man 2 Whippy man versus Dr. Strange. I I rank these movies equally. What do you think? I'm gonna with Iron Man 2 because it's a very less world at stake movie. It's very just it's a very Protagonist antagonist where Dr. Strange's movie is like this this Universe world eater is coming to our universe to destroy it all. You know what? I really don't like about Dr. Strange. He's an annoying asshole at the beginning of the movie And the way how he beats Dormannu is basically locking him in a room and Dormannu is like You're kind of an annoying asshole. It's like, yeah, we're trapped here forever. It's like never mind I don't want to take over the world. We were literally that insufferable to be around I give up and Dr. Strange is like, okay, and he does does the magic and Dormannu honors the bet He doesn't just say like, oh now I'm freaking. I'll just try to destroy you from adopted side to side plan It's like no, you're so bad. I'm gonna leave earth alone Yeah, like that was the agreement that they came to is like I literally stuck through six cycles Like maybe six minutes with you in a room and I'm like you win So bad it's such a dumb movie Such a dumb movie plus let me tell you this I'll do one more thing for Dr. Strange I know I've been talking about this but I'll let him keep the English accent Oh, yeah, 10,000 percent. I don't know why they did that but whatever They were like, let's see if an American accent. I was like, why? Yeah, why does he doesn't have to be American? Like you're doing Spider-Man in London That just makes Benedict come to that just have to have an accent and he doesn't have that Yeah, you know what's so stupid attitude because they gave him an English accent And then they made him master of the London, uh Hogwarts of Dr. Strange wrote. I'm like, wait if he's gonna live in London Yeah, just started in London just freaking London speaking Why doesn't he have to be an American doctor anyway? Yeah, for real, let's make it an international thing Why does everyone have to be in New York? Like it makes no sense He could just be yeah, he could teleport. Yeah, let him be in London. I don't know He's so much better with an English accent Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 Iron Man 2 it's good but in Tony Stark and as Iron Man are both good It's only good as Bruce Banner Yeah, yeah, the Hulk is a staunch guy They, yeah, yeah, um, I do and I don't remember the villain in this one Is another evil no it's another evil Hulk basically sort of thing Kind of I thought that was the first hope It's sort of like a guy who does Super Soldier Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's a it's a military dude that wants to be what's-her-faces boyfriend Yeah, or love interest or whatever Iron Man 2 gets it Iron Man 2 Oh Iron Man and Iron Man Iron Man gets it Oh, okay Iron Man again Iron Man again, yeah Oh, Guardians 2 is what I think wins this one I can see that Iron Man is very by the script Guardians does some really risky things If I were to judge those two movies The reason I think Guardians 2 gets this is Oh, Guardians 2 gets it The reason I think it is is because although Iron Man is my favorite Marvel character Sure Guardians 2 takes a larger risk Yes, absolutely And I think that's what makes it a better movie Not only that, but like you get more character moments But to be fair Iron Man is the first Marvel Cinematic Universe movie No, it's not Incredible Hulk is Bruce Banner's story of how we shot himself in the mouth And he woke up as Bruce Banner again with a bull in his mouth That is from the Incredible Hulk Yeah Like that's why the Incredible Hulk is on this list It came up before Iron Man Like it's not the tone of an MCU movie But it borrows so much from that Is the Incredible Hulk the actual Incredible Hulk movie? Ruffalo's story is Ed Norton No, no, no Is Ed Norton's movie before Tony Stark's movie? Yes, yes You're gonna make me Well, I mean we can look that up But like the CGI is a lot worse That's all the thing I'm basing on, to be honest with you We'll look that up Okay, sure, sure, sure I'm not sure But yeah, Guardians 2 I feel like Ooh, Civil War and Guardians 2 I'll say this And I'm not sure It could be the fact that Iron Man came out first But Incredible Hulk feels like the sort of thing where it's like It wasn't like a planned MCU movie is what it feels like Exactly It wasn't meant to start a franchise It was just like, hey, we got the rights to this movie You want to make a movie? Sure It was pretty good And we got funding Do you want to make an Iron Man movie? Yeah, sure, we'll make an Iron Man movie Understood Let's plan this out a little bit If this movie looks out pretty good Maybe we can make a sequel Maybe we can like throw in some other guys Maybe we can have a world where all these heroes work together We'll see if it works What's your name? Feige? Yeah, we'll see if it works Captain America Civil War Or Civil War vs. Guardians 2 I, Civil War is the better movie I agree Okay I think we already explained why Uh, I could probably explain Ooh, I have Winter Soldier's better than Dark World Is that the two options? I can't see over the microphone Yeah, it's Dark World and Winter Soldier Winter Soldier wins over Dark World Yeah, Dark World's bad No, it's bad I can't even name the elf's bad name What do we got? And they threw Natalie Portman's character Doing a bunch of weird stuff in that movie For just Natalie Portman's character to be in that movie And then they just dumped her and wrapped her up She has no reason to be in that movie She had no reason to be in the movie Period And looked up and to keep her in that movie Let me tell you something Darcy, who was the other girl in the Thor movies Was a much better character than Natalie Portman Who was just the girlfriend So, Winter Soldier in the first Avenger Winter Soldier? Yeah, I think Winter Soldier The first Avenger is a very slow movie It is very slow It takes a long time to get to And then there's this whole like Scissor Reel of events that happened And I'm like, well Crazy montage If you have to scissor reel stuff in the middle of your movie That probably means this was before It's bad direction Let me tell you The coolest thing about the first 20 minutes of Winter Soldier Was the fact that they reduced Chris Evans to a scrawny little guy They're like, look what we did with our technologists Like, but for the spectator It's like, okay, so there's a skinny man on the screen Why is this important? Yeah The directors are like We made a strong man Look, like a skinny guy Isn't that amazing? But like for us, we're like So was he skinny the whole time? Or is he musk? I don't understand what's going on Why is this interesting? Yep, I'm going with the Winter Soldier Winter Soldier is amazing Avengers vs. the Winter Soldier Avengers is a better movie Avengers is a sports movie Winter Soldier is a spy movie Do you know what I mean by sports movie? Yeah, it's very much of like We've got to get the team together We've got to get the team together Oh, no, we lost our mascot The team's got to overcome this enemy Yeah Samuel L. Jackson is the sports leader He's the coach It is a yes And then when they lose Coulson It's like the water boy broke It's like you want to do this for Timmy? No, no, no, no I feel like Coulson's, I feel like Coulson's like Coulson's like the guy on the team that was like He was always breaking up the fights And trying to hold the team together Yeah, yeah, yeah And then he gets in a car accident and dies And he gets in a car accident Or he ends up in the hospital or something And like all the teams have been fighting for petty shit Or finally like let's do it for Timmy Do it for him Let's do it for Coulson And then you can just see like They'll walk you out into a stadium in here And like the guys who are arguing are like We're doing it for him, right? Let's put all our stuff behind it And then they do it And then you're like, oh That's why it was so good Yeah, yeah, yeah, The Avengers I would say that was better than what they did for Winter Soldier Winter Soldier is just like Okay, they made a Jason Bourne one Captain America Not that Chaky Cam is off the hook in that movie And it's just unnecessary Avengers and Spider-Man Homecoming I think probably Avengers For some of the reasons we've stated I think Spider-Man But Spider-Man Homecoming has a Is better for Peter Parker than anyone Spider-Man Homecoming is a coming of age story Where somebody learns that they're more than just what they thought they were They are a hell of a lot And The Avengers is what you said was just a sports movie It is And I think coming of age stories would like more to Peter It's also It's also higher highs and lower lows is how I say it Like the highs for Spider-Man is like I'm working with Tony Stark the billionaire I'm in high school I'm like the coolest kid ever Adam Spider-Man And I just But I got this awesome suit from him Like in that beginning of that movie He's like And I fought with Captain America And it was the best thing ever And I got this tool And then he realizes that even with the suit He can't be all of everything And it's willing weight And then Tony comes and just takes it all the way from him And then he's just Tony's like you messed up to me And remember when he goes back to his mom Or like Aunt May And he's just like I got kicked out of the Tony Stark program And I'm like I feel it's like I feel like he like got kicked out of college And I'm like it hurts Yes Spider-Man Homecoming And then he builds that back up on himself And then he gets That's why I said it's a coming of age story But remember when he gets the suit from Tony Stark I was like by the way kid you did a good job Here's your new suit And he's like you know what I think I'm good without it He's like you passed the test Spider-Man Yeah he's like you passed the test Good job He's like wait that was a test He's like uh yeah Like he's like I don't need you And then he's like And then he's like yeah it was just a test And then he walks away And then Pepper comes out And she's like So he's gonna come out here And put on the suit or not And she's and it's like Wait so it wasn't a test Tony's just being a father figure And that's when you're like You finally see Tony as a father figure as well I love that Yeah I love that He's a great father figure Yeah yeah It's wonderful Yeah Is this where the blows begin? Oh these are where these are This is where it starts getting like down to like Yeah we're at the top of the list I told you the top of the list is probably gonna be harder So I will Our So my argument is that Thor Ragnarok is the better movie than Spider-Man They both have kind of the same thing They're both doing the same They both came after bad movies They both came after a bad movie And are the best of their franchise And are the best of their franchise But here's how And they both go through Thor with hammer is not Thor Spider-Man without suit is not Spider-Man Both of them have to fall into their lows to realize I am more than I am But here's my argument With Spider-Man they got rid of everybody And replaced them all with new people With Thor they kept everybody And they made them awesome So it's clearly the feet of the director To do that Yeah Yeah What I see in Thor Ragnarok is This is what you can do if you hire the right people to do your work Whereas Spider-Man is This is what we can do if we If we just got rid of everybody If we reimagine everything into a better way Yes, if we literally just get rid of everybody And hire everyone to fit in our narrative great Here's a bunch of shit And here's two movies Fix it And he fixed it He did, he did To like one of the greatest movies of all time And let me say The ensemble cast You get scenes where you have Hulk On a bed Like bouncing a ball off the wall And Thor's talking to him And you get to learn more about Who is like People just like me because I'm Hulk They don't like me because Like of anything that I care about So I'm like fine I'm Hulk I'm way better And Thor's like Sure, yeah I like you because you're Hulk It's like no one likes Hulk Everyone likes Bruce Banner It's like No, I don't like Bruce Banner I don't like him No one likes a science man Like all brainy men I'm like you, you're smart We get along with each other And when he switches to Bruce Banner It's like Everyone hates me because like I turn into Hulk No one likes Bruce Banner It's like What are you talking about, man? I love Bruce Banner I'm sorry You know that green guy No one likes him He's like There's so many cool clever dynamics That's going on in that movie That you just don't get from Spider-Man's income I agree I agree Thor, right? Also, higher highs lower lows Like when Thor loses his hammer In a scent in the world And he's just like Destitute Like he loses his hair And the only friend he has is Thor And he's like Oh, not Thor But Hulk He's like He's at his lowest lows at that point And it's like Oh, Hulk Hey And he loses his whole home Like he sees that happen in that movie But he realizes it's people that matters So it's like He loses so much more than Peter Parker did Yet he still kept a light tone You have your finger over, I should stop talking I was like I agree with Thor I'm just saying, yeah A little bit, guys Oh, no This was hard So what we have right now is Ant-Man and Thor Ragnarok Yeah, Ant-Man and Thor Ragnarok I'm willing to say Thor Ragnarok's better than Ant-Man Only because it's more fun But But Yeah, better villains Just More arcs They go from beginning to the end Scott Lang's in prison He's not in prison and he's Ant-Man, sure But like Thor is like the god of thunder And he goes to Odin's son Okay, so I feel like even though it seems Like Thor Ragnarok has Has what would be like Because we You and I both have issues when Stakes seem Unrealistically Sure, sure And a lot of people could try to make that argument for Thor He's about to lose his whole world Whatever Sure, sure, sure, sure But you gotta also remember Thor's a god So when you're talking about the stakes for gods Of course the stakes are gonna be Really high because They're working on a different level of reality Of Realistic But he's a god that loves his people Yep So he doesn't know that his people isn't Asgard His people is the people in Asgard So when he actually goes to save those people That's why he doesn't want hella to be in charge Because she doesn't respect the people She only cares about the land She only cares about being about it Exactly So like he's the only one that cares about the people And I think that's what's kind of interesting And then he learns that Asgard isn't just Asgard, it's wherever the people are It's wherever the people are Yeah I think Thor Ragnarok is the better move I'm gonna say the spot for Ragnarok That might actually change the mind a little bit The first, I know right The first 15 minutes of Thor Ragnarok are really hard to follow They move Not the one where he's like in the dungeon spinning around Though that was Where he's talking to his dad It's where it's like Where he goes back to Asgard He sees Loki They find Odin A lot of that stuff was reshot Hella gets released They get sent to the desert planet Like the junk planet Like that's a whole set of sequence Happened very quickly Pacing issues Very big pacing issues That was the only weak part of that whole movie Everything after that was great But Ant-Man from getting to end Has really good pacing Is one of the most best paced movies And yes, the stakes are small But you know, a god cares about his people But I don't think a god would care about his people Any more than a father would care about his daughter Probably not And I would I'd swear that Scott Lang as Ant-Man would be willing to do anything That Thor would do Maybe even more for Casey Than Thor for his people And I could actually I'd just give it to Thor Ragnarok Just because of the villain cast And everyone having way more fun with each other No, everyone has more fun in Ant-Man To be honest with you The main bad guy is not threatening whatsoever The main bad guy In Ant-Man now But Hella is legitimately terrifying And beautiful at the same time It's just weird But she is a threat True Horns on her head And she makes it work It's just insane Yeah Yeah Thor Ragnarok Yeah I think Hella is the better villain I would do it too Ant-Man's villain is just the corporate bad guy Who wants the technology Yeah Which Yes But Sure You don't believe that he deserves it Not only that You believe Hella deserves her position I agree You just think that What she's doing with her position is awful I think also Even though the pacing issue was a little rough They had to do something to fix everything in the past And they had to explain where the movies were coming from Yeah I also think It would be very weird if you jumped into Thor Ragnarok With Odin Without explaining why Odin's about to die Why he's off and everything like that I also think they did a smart move in Thor By getting rid of the love stories They're just like Oh yeah, I heard you got broke up It's like, yeah Yeah, like Natalie Portman's character is gone Done That's the best You literally just massively improved Thor And they never reintroduced her And that's the best Done So good Yep Whereas Ant-Man had a bunch of like weird love story things going on So yeah Okay So Thor Ragnarok Thor Ragnarok, better movie than Ant-Man Thor Ragnarok and Guardians I thought we already did this one No, we haven't Guardians I'll agree, Guardians Guardians Better soundtrack, better Not better villain though Not better villain Not a villain Much better villain Much better villain No Jeff Goldblum either Yeah In fact, Guardians had that whole thing Where they went to like the collector's world Oh, that was bad And it ends in a dance-off? Let me tell you, let me, let's compare the two final scenes And I, and I, I, hear me out The best scenes at the climax for Guardians is when they do the fight Not, not the fight Dance-off It's like, oh, why are you dancing? I'm just trying to save some time to So that we can power up that weapon And then they use a MacGuffin To basically destroy Yeah And Thor Ragnarok, there is the MacGuffin It is literally just Thor being himself Realizing that he is Odinson Did you already pick it? No, no, no Just make sure it didn't go And it literally ends with him on a bridge Full of his people willing to fight for their lives With no weapon Hella, giant-ass wolf Being shot with a guy who's dual-wielding AK-47s In a knight uniform To the Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun And then Hulk drops out of the goddamn sky Now you have all these people on a light bridge And it's like the black guy with the sword You got Thor with lightning-crazy powers Dancing all around They played, uh, that's when they played, uh, Immigrant songs Yeah, yeah, yeah It's insane You're like, you're sitting in your seat And you're like, this is so metal I literally cannot believe this one scene That is a great song for that scene It is an insane sequence of moments All compact And what was the other movie? I almost forgot what it was talking about If you compare the satis- This climax for that To the climax for Guardians of the Galaxy It's like there's literally no competition Like when you leave that movie You're like, I saw something incredible And we'll credit this The reason I think Guardians is so good Is because the memorable soundtrack Peter Quill is such a believable character And the interaction of the cast between each other Sure That is what makes Guardians a good movie But Thor has a really good story And I think Guardians lacks on the story I feel like I feel like Guardians of the Galaxy Has so many crazy random MacGuffins at the end Like, oh, Peter's half god Or like half alien We didn't know that Peter has the psychic stone Like I didn't even know that was an important thing Like there's so many random things Just come out at the very end That doesn't really set up I thought you were just a regular dude From the 1970s who ran away from your mom Like where did all those extra things come from At the last minute Whereas Odin has been Odin's son The entire time He just needed to get it out of him And it's more of a deconstruction of him And he didn't have all of his friends He had to work through that whole movie To get the Valkyrie on his side To get Hulk on his side To get Bruce Banner on his side To the point where he was willing to jump out of a plane Just turn into the Hulk And because he hadn't turned into Bruce In like 10 years or whatever To play that I think Thor I think Thor Ragnarok is cool It also has an awesome music soundtrack And just wondering like Because before I had Guardians as my number one Yeah, but I think if we're going off of like Honestly, I think Thor's the better movie I think Thor Ragnarok It's better acted Everyone has more fun on it I feel like it is better And it was Jeff Goldblum Honestly The lines that he gives I'm Some people say I'm in trouble I think it was I think they were both probably equally as risky Yeah Because Thor's coming off of two bad Thor movies Guardians a new franchise But it had a talking raccoon in the talking trees Like what are you going to do with this But Thor Ragnarok I don't feel I don't know I'm going with Thor Ragnarok What do you think? Thor Ragnarok, let's go All right Man Thor and Age of Ultron Ew Age of Ultron Age of Ultron has a better villain in my opinion Yeah it does And it doesn't waste as much time with romances Was it romance? Yes it was Oh, the necessary romance movies In your movies You don't need them Vision and Vision and Scarlet Witch They're kind of romance Get rid of it I'm sorry, yeah Age of Ultron I think Age of Ultron is the better movie Is the better movie here And I'm going to make that argument just for the sake that Even if you're going to need to look at the The main The main I think the protagonist antagonist dynamic in Age of Ultron Even though it's all the Avengers Sure It's Tony and Ultron Right And Tony has to reconcile with himself I can't always do what is necessary to save everyone But I'm going to try But sometimes I have to realize that I get Ultron Right And I have to make sure that I keep my power in check Because if not I get Ultron Right If anything it should have been called I mean if anything it should have been Iron Man Age of Ultron Iron Man and Age of Ultron is what I think it should have been And then you don't need all these other characters I think you can take out Iron Man You can take out Scarlet Witch You can take out the Spiecer Dude I think Iron Man 3 Iron Man 2 And then make Iron Man 3 Take Iron Man 3 The third movie of Iron Man should be Iron Man Age of Ultron And get rid of Iron Man 2 altogether And just get rid of Iron Man 2 altogether Iron Man, Iron Man 3 Where we see Tony realize that he is Iron Man outside of the suit And then Iron Man Age of Ultron Just like, shit, I messed up Yeah I messed up really big But I need to fix this problem Because the character arc would be And Captain America keeps giving me crap But like, I'm trying to fix the problem Because the reason Iron Man is who he is in Iron Man 3 Is because it's after he fell out Went through the dark portal with that giant bomb thing And fell back out of the portal and realized he was about dead So he has this fear of death Right But then he learns more about it And then he realizes in Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron That, hey, that attack on New York happened And it scared me for my life And probably people with tugs that are scared for their life I want to create a robot that can try to keep that from happening And then it's the only bad things out Right I think the whole thing was And it sets up who he is in Civil War What, when Avengers 1 ended Iron Man went through that portal Saw what the bad guys looked like When that bomb went through What fell back through our verse And was like, I saw If they come here, we need something to kill We are dead And we need to make something Because the six of us or whatever many are Ain't gonna be enough We need to make something And he went too ambitious Because he didn't have the support of everyone And he made a big mistake And made an Ultron Took over the world And he tried to do his best to contain that problem But the entire time Captain America was like This is why we can't trust power And he's like, you're right This is why we need to give our power to the government And Captain America was like No, no, no It's a problem Government's the problem too You're just going from one extreme to the next You need to reign it in, Tony It's like, you don't understand We don't have a lot of time It's like, we're not compromising Because of time It's like, we have to make compromises They're coming after us Do you understand that right now? All of that capitalizes on the moment In Infinity War Plus your friend killed my mom Fuck you So I think Angel Ultron is the Better movie in the story It is I think there's like some really interesting dynamics For at least the one main character in that movie So yeah How much Okay, we're about one third Angel Ultron and Doctor Strange I would actually I think Angel Ultron Just think for the reasons that we just talked about Plus we I think we both agree that we really don't like Doctor Strange They're both messes They're both messes But at least there's character arc There's something more interesting in Angel Ultron Than there is in Doctor Strange Which is really just a rehash of magical Tony Stark There is at least character arc I at least like the characters in Angel Ultron Compared to Doctor Strange You want to ask them Doctor Strange or Age of Ultron Which was the better movie Oh no What about you Okay, okay, but you go with Doctor Strange Why? Okay, okay That's nice Thank you Not good enough for you there I think Angel Ultron I think Angel Ultron too We appreciate them They're good They're good Thank you kids Thank you Okay, what's next? Okay, so Age of Ultron Incredible Hulk in Angel Ultron Age of Ultron I think that's easy Yeah The Incredible Hulk is half a movie It's half a movie A lot of the movie shot in the dark And it makes pretty bad composition Yeah, it also looks really bad I'm like, oh, this is bad It looks really bad It looks like Pixar from 1996 It's really bad Everything's super clean It's really bad Age of Ultron But I do want to watch that movie again Oh, Age of Ultron and Iron Man 2 And you know why I would pick Age of Ultron Because I just said I'd get rid of Iron Man 2 Yes Go Yeah, go for it They also have the Worst Roadie So here's how crazy it is Oh, yeah, this is the Worst Roadie They switched out Roadie From a light-skinned black guy with blue eyes To a down-cheatle Yeah And my thing is Do they think those two guys look the same? Uh, no I hope not Like, just replace them with another black guy No one's going to care Like, in the head of those people are like Really? Could you not? Like, if he was complaining about how much money You were giving him Like, couldn't you just give him our money? Like, did you not, like, climb that out? Like, was there, like, some weird thing? That was... The guys don't even look the same They don't look the same There wasn't even an attempt Like, one's like a strong, tall, built... Kind of swole-dude The other one's like an old frail man Who's like Frank Sinatra or... All right, so Age of Ultron It's Age of Ultron, let's go What do we got? What do we got? Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron I've already said that I would move Iron Man 3 I would already said I'd move Iron Man 3 to Iron Man 2 Yeah, I'd say Iron Man 3 is the better movie They both have terrible villains And I think Iron Man 3 is the better deconstruction Of Tony Stark than Ultron Iron Man 3 is... If we would turn it Iron Man... If we would turn Avengers Age of Ultron Just to an Iron Man movie Iron Man 3 would be better Yes And so that's how I'm gonna say it Oh, if you made Age of Ultron, Iron Man 3 And made Iron Man 3, Iron Man 2 Yeah You would say Iron Man 3 in this world would be better than Iron Man 2 But the fact of the matter is In the reality that we have It's not called Iron Man 3 It's Avengers Which means it's loaded down with a bunch of bullshit Every other Avenger in that movie could be tossed away Completely, but it's not And when you have to sit and deal with it There's a scene in that movie I believe Where Thor literally goes away from everybody And swims in a pool That has lightning in it While he's having psychic powers And the Fress Which is never brought up again It's useless I would say Iron Man 3 is a better movie There are dumb scenes in it But it's kind of like Anti-climatic dumb scenes It's like, oh, you're not the real bad guy? No, I'm just a guy in a suit It's like, who cares? See, if Age of Ultron was Iron Man 3 Age of Ultron would be the better movie Can I throw something at you? Yeah So the whole movie is about Like how Tony Stark isn't the suit It's the guy in the suit But the main guy in the Mandarin Isn't the reputation of Mandarin It's like literally a guy just pretending to be Mandarin And the actual villain's the guy that has the glowy hands? Sure, of course But like the whole Mandarin aspect was kind of cool Because it's like The bad guy is just a guy pretending to be someone he's not Whereas the good guy is a guy who is pretending to be someone he wasn't But now realizes Everything that was cool about him is actually him himself So it's like a good parallel Yeah If anything Iron Man 3 Um, Infinity War in Iron Man 3 Infinity War in Iron Man If, if So I think I mean, Infinity War is not a full movie, dude If, if Infinity War was No, I think If there was another act in Infinity War No I think Iron Man 3 has the best, has a better Iron Here's how you make a good Infinity War If I may You don't have all the love interest stuff Take that out You may not You don't have to force Stormbringer Because we already established that Thor doesn't need a hammer So why work 14 scenes to show him making another weapon When he's already established He doesn't need a gun When he's already established, he doesn't need a gun He doesn't need a weapon So like He's Thor without the, I think, I think Iron Man 3 I think Iron Man 3 Because we regress, we regress in Infinity Of course Yes, yes, yes, absolutely Characters who've been established Like, for instance You go backwards in Infinity War Yeah, Thor suddenly Peter Paul is dumb Yeah, Thor suddenly thinks he needs his hammer again There's a worse relationship between Peter Quill and Gamora Yeah There's an unneeded relationship between Vision and Scarlet Witch Yeah, I'm gonna go with It ends with everybody dying and no resolution whatsoever The only thing that Infinity War has over Iron Man 3 Honestly, in my opinion Is probably maybe some interaction between the characters Sure And Thanos is a better villain than Mander Let me tell you something You have scenes You can't tell me a single line That Bucky Barnes says in that entire movie You can't tell me a single line That Scar Joe says in that entire movie You can't tell me a single line That Falcon said in that entire movie There are actors stuffed in Just to say like, oh and They're just there And he's in the movie So we can put him on the poster But they have no business They're just there to be in an Avengers movie But you could have still just made that Avengers movie Looking at the same Avengers that we've been looking at All they do is punch grunts in the face And now half of them are dead And so we don't even get like Their side of the movie in the next movie It's just dumb Iron Man 3 gets it Yeah Iron Man 3 or Black Panther Ooh So I would have liked Black Panther more If If Once Killmonger got the the seed Black Chakala Chala Chala Would have realized I'm actually Black Panther without the suit That would have made that movie better for me And he challenges him without the suit Challenges him without the suit And beats him showing I am definitive king of Wakanda And I don't need that suit I don't need to be the Black Panther To be the Black Panther Yeah That would have been more impactful More powerful He just comes out there completely tribal And they're like You ready to do this? And you ready? Like I'm ready to fight you That's what Iron Man 3 does Iron Man 3 is Tony gets the suit Ripped away from him Yeah And he goes back in there to fight This guy saying I'm Tony Sartre I'm Iron Man Yeah I don't need that suit I'll keep your ass without it Even if you do have powers And he beats his ass anyway And he beats his ass anyway And that's when he realizes like Shit You are the king of Wakanda But I'm just so angry about these people And it's like don't worry I got your people But like Now I'm the king And it's like fine But don't even try to sack Don't even try to spare me Just let me die out here Like the people Throw me in the sea Like all the people Blah blah blah Cool I got you fan Black Panther with more impact For Chala comes back Take out the suit And takes And he doesn't need the suit He just comes back And he He's got the people behind him He claims Rifle Air of Wakanda Through nothing but himself He doesn't need to be Powerful hyped up No Guy He doesn't himself Still have like the army of people But he's like I'm willing to challenge you One on one And the guy's like I don't need to challenge you One on one I got the suit I'm already the king He's like No I'm challenging you I'm the king I got the rifle air Let's go You didn't kill me the first time That's your mistake I'm back to kick your ass And he's like Fine I got all this power Everybody Attacked that army behind him I got this I got this fool right here And he actually wins And kicks his ass Even though he's got that powerful golden suit He does have the suit He manages it somehow And he kicks the ass And the guy's like God damn you beat me But look I'm doing this for all these other people That are down It's like Don't worry I got them But I'm the king And it's like Respect I'm the Black Panther I respect But you're right My dad was mean to you I'm not going to make those same mistakes And I got our fam So But I'm the king It's like Fine Don't spare me Tell me this time Because if I survive I'll kill you That's like You're right I think what enhances Black Panther Man That's a good way to end it Is Is he comes back And he wins the fight Without that suit Shit Yeah That's a good way to do it I like that I like that That's fantastic And Iron Man 3 does that And Iron Man 3 does that Iron Man 3 wins That's a great argument And Iron Man lost And Iron Man 3 That's a great argument Iron Man and the Wasp is a better movie than Iron Man 3 I know you haven't seen it I think 8 Man is better than Iron Man 3 It is very much in this And if 8 Man and the Wasp is on par with the Iron Man Then I would think 8 Man is on par They're surprisingly very similar movies I think the Is there anything that Iron Man and the Wasp does better than Iron Man? Better villain Better villains Which said Much better villain And I think the villain in Iron Man 3 is kind of weak Yeah Yeah Yeah There are some so silly scenes in Iron Man and the Wasp I think you'd really loved it I think I'm I'm gonna go Yeah, Iron Man and the Wasp Yeah, if you like that man Just think of it as Iron Man Iron Man and 8 Man and the Wasp? Yeah What would you I would say 8 Man is better than Iron Man That I would say Oh look This is what it looked like when I came here the first time It was just like loaded with peeps Like that Yeah So here is my Not a lot of foot traffic Here's my quick argument for I'm gonna throw out my argument for Iron Man Okay, I'm listening I think it could be fair Go for it Iron Man Iron Man has a story of Tony Being Tony to get rich To make money off of selling weapons And he doesn't really He doesn't care one who it impacts And two who he really is selling weapons to I forgot all about that I can say for that arc alone And then what happens is He gets his weapons That somebody took used on him Yeah He gets put into a situation that he has to fight for his life I don't want to spoil the movie for you But for the argument that you've said That is good enough reason to rank it higher There's things that happen in Iron Man and Womps That is a detriment to itself But it only happens at the very end So yes And it's not even like part of the actual movie I don't want to spoil it Go for it Iron Man wins But check out Iron Man and Womps I want to see When you do you'll understand what I'm saying Yeah Thor and Thor Dark Roll Thor is a better movie Yeah Thor is better I guess it's Thor Dark Roll There's nothing worse in Thor Dark Roll Thor Dark Roll is so bad I told you Not only Thor is only in that movie To be a Macjup Which is why Ragnarok is so good Yeah I can't remember It's okay It's okay I see Oh man A movie with very poor pacing Versus a movie with very poor pacing I'll say this It's like the battle of poor pacing I will say this Thor has so many disposable characters Literally since because Thor Ragnarok Only one character survived Only two characters survived out of that whole mess And Thor has a bunch of friends in Asgard You don't see any of them again You have the black guy who owns the gates As... Oh I don't know Now that you say Bucky and Captain Rogers And the Agent Shield lady That he should have maintained a romance with Even though it had been weird Yeah Or the only ones that survived this You see Tony Stark's dad though That's correct Honestly I think I think Captain America is the better movie here I think Captain America the first Avenger What happens at the end of Thor? At the end of Thor? Does he go back to Asgard? And says I'll never And kisses Natalie Portman Is that how that works? Yeah basically Oh okay Thor's very much a It's a romance novel It's a romance about a Thrift store romance novel It's like a It's a romance about a guy who apparently has too much power So it's gotta be stripped away from him So he can learn responsibility Yeah but Captain America is so poorly paced It really is I'm telling you the first like 50 minutes of it It's not even a good war movie It's not even a good war movie And then you have a Scissorail Yeah Scissorail They're both they're both not all I agree Yeah and you don't even have good Loki Because he doesn't have time to play Loki's not good until the Avengers Right Loki's not good until the Avengers because he doesn't But in that but in that fairness That leaves basically the bad guy just being Like remember when we started Red Skull in Affinity War And you're like oh Huh Oh you exist Like it wasn't like Oh that guy It wasn't like Oh you're here It wasn't like even like You didn't even have no emotion You're just like Oh I thought you'd be dead It turns out you're not even cool You're like You're dude No you're just Red Skull And that's the best villain that Captain America ever put out So I'm like And I'm like oh Nope it's just you being here Yeah I was literally like oh okay We've been here the whole time And that's the bill I honestly And here's my other issue Steve Rogers doesn't have a character arc Can I Can I throw out What the act character arc should just be And this is not This is not popular and you may not even like it But it doesn't have to be Extrovert But it should be a bromance situation Do you understand what I mean Captain America Yes Captain America and Bucky Parks The whole movie should just be Captain Bucky going and Just like Listen I believe you Exactly It should just be like Even though you're scrawny You got the heart of a soldier That's why Winter Soldier would make more sense He gave himself a shot And it's just these two guys being bromance And you're just like Yeah This is why Yep No one's going to get between me And at the end of the movie He loses Bucky And then he thinks Everything's over But he knows that he still has to stop Red Skull Right And he does in any ways Yes Sacrifices his life to save everything And then when he comes back I lost my war buddy And then when he comes back A Winter Soldier He realizes Hey, wait a minute Yeah He's still alive Yes But he's not in a bro anymore Yeah And that makes Yeah So that would be That would make a better Captain America movie But technically all those scenes are in there They're just watered down by a bunch of other scenes They're They're watered down by the whole setup to him Becoming Captain America Yes With this dumb thing where he's doing like PSAs Yeah There's And then they scissor reel All the stuff that shouldn't be scissor reeled All the scissor reel stuff Where him and Bucky are beating F out of Nazi But they are That is what we need But those scenes But technically those scenes are in there There is nothing that's watered down in Thor Aside from what Thor already is I'm sure Thor is already concentrated No way Are you serious Okay There are scenes What's the coolest thing in Thor versus coolest thing In Captain America There's a scene literally where he bucks down the door Ask Captain America With a freaking gun And just shoots Nazis in the face From his perspective That's cool Okay Yeah And he makes a black friend back in the 1940s That's awesome There's no cool scenes in Thor really There's no cool scenes in Thor As far as I'm aware Plus there's a ton of Natalie Portman Like eyeing up Thor in that movie I'm almost like Yeah I get it Uh I'm gonna go with Captain America I'm gonna go with Captain America But we've both stated why these movies could be better movies Yes I think I think what are we picking right now is like I think You have you have You have Like Bad nasty food You have slightly worse bad nasty food Yeah that's what I'm saying Captain America is not Bad in the sense that it doesn't have anything good It's that the good things are watered down Or skipped over too quickly Yeah Whereas Thor doesn't really have anything worth Just say it doesn't have anything good It's not even it's not even best of any of those characters At their potential It's not until Thor Ragnar was just like All these characters could be like this and you're like Good And you're like and Natalie Portman could just be gone Go on Yes Literally you could just have Thor and Loki And we're like Yes Let's just have Thor and Loki from this franchise Get rid of everybody else and maybe the black guy from So Captain America does Yeah let's do it Boom We're almost done Doctor Strange in Captain America I really don't like Doctor Strange's character But Captain America like I'm gonna make this right now I think Captain Strange is a better film Captain America does not have an arc in his movie Right From the beginning of the movie he has very much died for my Die for my fellow man At the end of the movie he has died for my fellow man But Doctor Strange is an asshole at the beginning And an asshole at the end He doesn't really know anything either Except for magic which is the The good thing is he doesn't even use magic He just uses the stone The time stone Is is Captain America Captain America dies Like okay here's the thing Go for it Captain America suddenly becomes powerful Yeah And just beats up everybody Okay Doctor Strange suddenly just becomes powerful And beats up everybody Yes But their actual characters are the same in the ending in the beginning And the only There's no arc in either movie And the and and both the villains are throwaway villains that don't matter Who yeah Dormand knew Or that guy with the The park is Dormand and Red Skull are both useless So what's the what's the Let's grade it on sidekicks then What are the two that we're comparing Bucky and Bucky and The fat Asian dude Fat Asian Muck They are these are bad movies Romance then Oh do they have romances I find like the romance interest is more classy Doctor Strange throws away his romance interest Doesn't He has a Does Straight up throws her away Whoa I forgot about that completely And then he comes back and he's like Fix me up a little bit because I just suddenly teleported in here out of nowhere Yeah by the way hi I haven't called you in forever What the hell are you doing where have you been It's like oh And he's like oh by the way I don't care about you actually though I'm going back Yeah by the way how did you know about some She should have been Asian I'm done She should have been Asian Honestly Captain America is probably the better movie Captain America is a better movie they both said They were literally both Captain America Listen if anything Captain America is a more likeable character than Doctor Strange Yeah oh great He would never drive in a Maserati With a cell phone With a cell phone Going around Yeah in a car accident And then blame like the technology in his unfortunate situation He'd be like I was an asshole and I deserved that to happen to me Captain America He jumped on a grenade Oh Captain America and the Hulk I think Captain America is a better movie than the Hulk movie Yeah the Hulk The Hulk other than Edward Norton in it Like every every scene with the Hulk is actually just bad Every scene with like Captain America being Captain America is good But every scene with the Hulk being the Hulk is bad That's a great way to put it But I do think Edward Norton is a better actor than Steve And whatever his name Chris Pines No Chris Pines He's a really wide guy from Star Trek Sorry Chris Not Chris Pratt That's Peter Pill Chris Move on Steve Rogers That's where we're going Steve Rogers whatever Captain America Captain America and I remain two Man Oh We're in the like mid-range to bottom range Captain America and Iron Man two They switched that roadie and acted like we wouldn't notice the difference That he's just like Like they switched the later roadie Like they switched Claire and my wife and kids And we're like yep well we can just switch black actors And we will never notice And you're like they don't all look the same Just fuck out of here That's funny You're like stop doing that And thinking that we can't tell the difference Between facial structures Do you really think like the hair is different Everything's literally different By the way As much as you just age the other actor by 20 years I think Iron Man two is the better movie It actually has a villain that's more intimidating Than like Red Skull literally has a red face That is the only thing about him Red Skull is not intimidating He's just literally Nazi dude That's it He's a Nazi with a red face That's literally all he has Iron Man two Whereas that guy has whips Literally that's I'm sorry that's a bad criteria But like yeah Iconically what does one do that the other one doesn't Like the one guy actually developed Iron Man technology But never got the credit for it Like Red Skull is just a Nazi with a red face Yeah I'm going to go with Iron Man two Go for it He's an angry Nazi with a red face The villain is better we're captivating Winter Soldier and Iron Man two I think Winter Soldier is good Winter Soldier easy Yeah This is easy Yeah that one is We're wrapping it up Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier Winter Soldier let's go Uh yeah better spy movie Yeah absolutely Yeah Avengers is a nothing movie No like I said It should have been an Iron Man movie If Avengers was an Iron Man three Age of Ultron Yeah It would be better than It would be better than Winter Soldier But it's not Yeah I'm glad we had that talk Yeah it's not Winter Soldier is better than Infinity War Winter Soldier isn't better than Infinity War And Winter Soldier and Infinity War isn't too Yeah yeah Winter Soldier is better than Infinity War Yes It's Winter Soldier Oh Winter Soldier Black Panther Winter Soldier Yeah There's actual acting in Winter Soldier Black Panther is like as I said With your ending I would change my position Yeah I think if you threw my ending in there It would change It would change everything It would change it It would be a more impactful story Yes It's just like now it's like I'm Black Panther not the suit But I am to tell And then when it comes back to fight them They'll win like a really powerful like fight song Yes Like immigrant song with a good fight song Absolutely Yeah Oh yeah totally Yeah like something like something like that Yeah you do For the end of this movie Would make that movie better Yeah so I'm gonna go Winter Soldier Hey Is it real? Oh Winter Soldier Iron Man 3 What are the two? Winter Soldier and Iron Man 3 Winter Soldier Yeah I guess it is better Yeah because the bad guy It's literally as you said You get the defining moment where Steve Sheds Captain America Like he's He sheds government idea of Captain America And becomes He becomes I am an individual I am Captain America Not your Captain America I am my own Captain America And I think the stakes are higher for I think the stakes are higher for Captain America In Winter Soldier Than they are for Maybe Iron Man In Iron Man 3 Because Even though Tony's running around without the suit And he's not really all that strong He's up against like a really shitty one Yeah Yeah I'm gonna go with Winter Soldier Cool Ant-Man on the Wasp Captain America Winter Soldier Winter Soldier Yeah if it was Ant-Man versus Winter Soldier It's a different story But Winter's Ant-Man and the Wasp make some crucial mistakes at the late game And it's not that it makes it a bad movie But Ant-Man is superior So I would it's not a fair comparison to say Ant-Man and Winter Soldier That Denisha would say what's up He thought I said hi So Winter Soldier Yeah Winter Soldier and Iron Man Winter Soldier Only I'm gonna go with Winter Soldier Winter Soldier It sets up a defining moment for Steve Doesn't he try to shoot Bucky But Bucky shoots him back And Steve didn't shoot him back No no no it's He still hasn't learned finally that he can't trust He still tries to trust Bucky He's still like the Bucky You're my friend And he's like no I'm someone else You don't know me And he's like back And then he's like oh I thought I knew everybody And that's it's when we see Steve Rogers at his nose How's that movie end again Like I know Bucky is like in the museum Looking up his history But like how does that movie end before That's when he's like in the ship And Bucky shoots him in the chest Or in the stomach right Or whatever happens yeah Yeah Yeah And then Bucky falls off and goes somewhere else And then Steve and the ship as it crashes Yes Yeah He's Bucky Captain America refuses to shoot Bucky But Bucky shoots him Because he still sees his friend He's the one person I can trust In this world of people I cannot trust Yes Winter Soldier is better Like I get his pathos more It's Captain America at his lowest It's like I used to love everybody in this country If this whole country sucks But I still love America But I don't even trust anyone here anymore Now I have Bucky the one little man I got my bromance with And he's not even remember himself And it sets up and it sets up Honestly it sets up who Captain America is going to be In civil war Yes And without without Winter Soldier Captain America in civil war would make less sense Yeah and not only that But it also plays the up the whole I'm not just I'm Steve Rogers I'm a man that has been alive and not aged Since the 1950s Yeah And no one I know looks like me No one I know thinks like me I'm literally an archetype from a different time That's why I feel so alone Like literally no one Yeah I'm an alien in a world that no one I It's him and his lowest I don't like this world Yep It's him and his lowest And Iron Man is almost Iron Man at his highest Yes So Winter Soldier Almost civil war is almost Iron Man at his highest There are other movies do Iron Man better Iron Man I think at Oh we're getting to the end Because we got Winter Soldier again Right And Guardians of the Galaxy Yeah Winter Soldier and Guardians 2 Winter Soldier slowly moving up the list Yeah where does it stop right That's that's the that's the point Is it better than Guardians of the Galaxy 2 I would say As a focus story yes Because Guardians of the Galaxy Guardian of the Galaxy 2 Makes me one crucial mistake Has five main characters It splits Yeah The cast It splits the cast And the like I said Guardians the reason Guardians was so good Is because the dynamic that the cast have Together Yes In between each other Yes And what they did was they were like We split the cast And finally went I think after they got to the end of shooting They were like We need to get this cast back together Because this movie's starting to seem really weak In its two planes Sure And I know this is kind of fundamental But the whole Peter Quill as a god The I just feel like that's unnecessary for his character I hope that like he needed to be one He didn't he literally could have just been a straight up human From the 1970s That's more appealing to me Than him being half god, half alien Yeah Or half Half god, half alien Yeah I'd go Winter Soldier Oh no I think Civil War It stops at Civil War I think Civil War is better than Winter Soldier That's fine Civil War Yeah I think Civil War is a better Black Panther movie too Civil War is a better Black Panther movie It's the better It ends with him taking his mask off And talking to a guy It's the better Captain America Bucky movie Yes it is And it's the better Iron Man movie It's the best Iron Man movie It is You take all three of these characters And it is the best culmination of these characters had been And you want to know what else You want to know what else These two movies directed by the same person Or same two groups of dudes Same two dudes That's how you know We're at least being consistent Because all the other Captain Americas were not directed by The Lufos brothers or something like that But they directed both of these movies That did an incredible job They are great with story lines And although Winter Soldier is good Your tires are so much thicker And you're so hot Okay Although Winter Soldier is good Civil War is the culmination of three Three of the best story lines Best Black Panther Yeah That's Iron Man Now if you had the Black Panther I talked about from the Black Panther movie The one I hypothetically put it The end of the Black Panther movie Where Black Panther comes back And he just fights Kill Long like himself I think that would actually be the best Black Panther Sure But it's not No That Black Panther doesn't exist It would just be a better Black Panther movie Yeah That Black Panther doesn't exist No And Civil War is the best I would actually say the aspects of what you said About your modified Black Panther movie Are seen in Civil War Oh yeah You don't have them in a suit Kicking the bad guys But you have them taking off the suit And being like I don't need By Black Panther powers To stop you Stop you And I'm not going to kill you I'm going to bring you to justice Because I'm better than you I think Civil War On top of that Civil War is actually the Avengers movie Where all the Avengers can be in it And not seem like a bunch of just useless extras You got Spider-Man introduced in that movie Yeah You got Iron Man in that movie On the rules Yeah, that's our first scene of Spider-Man Like you see his origin And he You get Spider-Man's origin and Black Panther And he wraps up And he wraps up Captain America Yeah, and it's like Where are you from, kid? Queens Queens Brooklyn Brooklyn Perfect scene Oh my gosh I'm like what I saw I was like Civil War That's better than Martha Martha Like that's just like Hey, we get each other Even though we're on opposite sides Like we kind of get understand each other Uh, Civil War is better than the Avengers So good Civil War is better than the Avengers Civil War is better than the Avengers Yeah Higher highs, lower lows I think Oh Civil War or Spider-Man Homecoming? I would say Spider-Man Homecoming is the better movie Any 10 minutes from Civil War You need to be near the end It's a lot of build up There are a lot of scenes where it's Zemo in a hotel What's he doing in the hotel? He's telling the waiter Hey, bring me some electrical coils He's like, okay sure And there's scenes where he's like building something Or like moving keys or another building There's scenes where he's interviewing guys like Architect Trucker 34 Race car I'm like, what are these scenes for? All the scenes you see where are bad What's going on? And then finally all adds up and you're like Great, but like Man, there was a lot of build up in this movie There's scenes where it's just like I feel like those scenes I know it's like a lot of stuff culminating to a point Yeah And when it hits that point Holy crap, amazing But Spider-Man is constantly like You're seeing it from Peter Parker's perspective And his movie is I'm incredible I'm an Avenger too I don't have any powers whatsoever too I want to prove it to everybody No, I want to prove it to myself And now I don't need your powers anymore Because I proved it to myself So Civil War What are we chatting about? Now we're talking about Marvel movies I guess Yeah Civil War Has a very I will I will say the scenes with Zima are very few in between They happen enough times where you notice the dip in pacing Every time Zima is on screen is bad Yeah I will agree Bad because he's a bad actor Just bad because you have no idea what he's trying to do Not because he's bad because he's a bad actor Bad because I think it would be better to have kept him hidden until You finally get to that military base So you have to question maybe it is really Bucky who's doing these things Maybe it is Bucky who's actually out here causing this And maybe there's not a recent relationship You don't have to rewrite the story I'm just saying Spider-Man doesn't need a rewrite That's why it's better But I will argue that Spider-Man has just as many points as moments When you're talking about the times where they're showing high school Yeah They're showing him running around with his friends doing nothing I mean If you'd like more information I just want to tell you you are wrong Spider-Man is the best superhero And as much as Zima is bad Zima doesn't take up as much time as BS high school drama in Spider-Man does And I think that's what really like Can I throw one thing out? Spider-Man is a high school movie I know I know Is probably one of the best high school movies But in that case What are we comparing this against Civil War? I know this is hard I know this is hard But in that case Civil War is very much a movie where you need Zima in there To have that To have that subterfuge that's trying to break the team apart Because Civil War is the culmination of it We are trying to hold this team together And everything we can see right now is causing them to distrust each other I had a moment of weakness You are correct Civil War is the better movie But only because I'm sold more on the idea of it's the better Black Panther movie It's the best Iron Man movie It's an incredible Captain America movie And it's the Spider-Man origin movie All wrapped up in one And it is the best Avengers movie Yes And it has an incredible climax That is a gut-wrenching lull for Tony Stark who we've felt since Iron Man Yeah And at that point in time What we see at the end of that movie is We see the breakup of the Avengers And the stakes are just crazy high Yeah And it's done through just one man Who pitted them against each other Not even He doesn't even have superpowers He doesn't even have superpowers He breaks this team apart by exploiting every weakness that they have He went to a Lowe's And their humanity Not in their superpowers He understands the humanity between them all Yes And he plays on that to ruin them Yeah And that's more than Loki did as a super power guy It was the best thing to come out of Avengers too And it's more than Ultron did as a super power AI This guy was just a normal dude Yeah It was the best thing to come out of Avengers, Ultron Yeah Age of Ultron Even more so than Vision Got it That was rough by the way I know I know I would say Civil War is better than Ant-Man Only because of that Everything we said I think Ant-Man's a great film Ant-Man's a great film But Civil War is the better I've already said Ant-Man's one of the best heist films Yes Period That I think exists Yeah So I would I'm willing But Civil War is the better part Civil War has Fire High's lower lows Oh Civil War and Guardians I think this is the last one I don't think This is the last one Guardians doesn't have a bad Guardians has a bad villain I think Zima's actually a good villain I think he does what it I think he does Let me be here I hear what you're saying I think Zima does more to break apart the Avengers Than what any other villain has ever done in Marvel Of course Of course But here's the thing Are you gonna argue the big guy? Name a single song from Civil War Oh Are we going off a soundtrack? I'm just saying I'm just I'm gonna I'm throwing out a bunch of things But you would agree that There's a better soundscape In Guardians of the Galaxy Right? Yeah, there's got a soundtrack in Guardians Not only hits Earth But it hits Planet Crete It hits Planet Skrill It goes to the collector's home base It's see You see things in galaxies That you never thought you see It's an epic Don't don't don't make Don't make the argument That jumping around like that is good Because remember That's what we downgraded Infinity War It's called Guardians of the Galaxy You see the Galaxy It's like an amazing thing We've never been taken into space before Until this movie And we do it such a good job Is it worth seeing all the points in these galaxies If some of these points are bad? Now like for instance You can make the argument that We see Kanto bite In the last Jedi But that scene doesn't mean that it's good All right We see the collector In this movie In his place I'm just saying But that doesn't mean that scene is good I'm just saying When we go to Sokovia In Civil War It's like Well now we're just in a bunker No it's Sokovia to go back to The war bunker Yeah it's just like Now we're just in a bunker And then we go to another place But now we're just in a mall Okay so It doesn't feel like We really move to a lot of places I'm making an argument of like Story and villain All right If you want to go to Story and villain Here's the thing You do get your Spider-Man origin story You do get your Blank Panther origin story In Civil War But in this movie You get your quill Origin story You get your Rocket Raccoon Origin story You get your Drax origin story You get your Gamora origin story You get every all those You knew Didn't know any of those people Yet you see them all at once And their characterization is amazing I'm just saying Like The cast Is more fleshed out here Than any of those people in the back row Like I can tell you Iron Man and Captain America are there And then maybe Black Panther Way way way in the back All those other characters That were in between them Iron Man Falcon What's Falcon do In Civil War Oh he's the guy who's trying to Stick with Iron Man He's Or not Captain America Yeah but like he's You start seeing him He's a man who runs with him at the beginning Right They run with each other Wait Or is that his winter soldier That's what your soldier is in it Let me just Go for it Go for it Civil War isn't about the team coming together That's why you don't see All this team coming together It's about It's about The dangers of what happens If the Avengers break apart When When Civil War is happening What you're seeing is a slow dismantling Of the team that was the Avengers Into separate groups Based on the ideological differences Of these two viewpoints that Tony And Captain America have And this thing is like This division is starting to happen Even though Tony and Captain America Are trying to Even though they disagree on this They're trying to stay friends Sure And he's trying to understand They're trying to understand each other's viewpoints And it's very much I mean it's It very much keeps that whole thing between them And what Tony can see is Captain America is starting to side less with him And start siding more and more with Bucky Even though he's been with Tony in this world And Tony thinks that they're really good And Bucky It's very Cap's very past life, new life Sure And Tony is very And then the whole dynamic with him And Tony and the team breaking apart And everything is just Mass friction within the group And all that they're trying to do At this whole point is hold the group together Oh my gosh Let's give this one at least 10 more minutes Okay, okay Okay Here's my thing And I totally agree with it These are the last two movies Because we both agree these are fantastic movies But then what I'm saying is The first half of Civil War is weak The last half is amazing The first half of Guardians of the Galaxy is great The second half also great It's literally until like the part where you realize like Oh, I guess I'm part alien And this is like a power stone from somewhere Like that's a weird thing Like I feel like that's the weakest part of the whole movie But like really not even like that big of a deal Because there might be a second one You might learn that more about that I think everything from by the scene With the collector onwards is probably bad in Guardians Where they're trying to offload the power stone And then they realize that it's a lot more powerful Than they expected And then Drax has to fight And then everything comes down to like I think it's sort of like The pacing starts getting a ride there And then by the time we make it to the culmination Into the movie It's just like Peter Quill's just winning Because apparently now he's a god And apparently now he can win with this infinity stone And apparently now that The weird thing is What was the infinity stone at the start of the movie? It was in this like deep cave on this abandoned planet Peter goes to retrieve it And he runs into the black guy That tries to stop him And then he escapes that guy He goes to the planet where you meet Rocket Raccoon Raccoon sees him because he's got a warrant after his rest And he wants to get the warrant And that's when things go awry and they get thrown in jail I just feel like the first half of Civil War is like I know where all the character boat users are coming from But man is it a The first half of Civil War Where are we going with this? And then it hits and you're like Thank you for going there Yes So then how would I say a movie? But I don't feel like the start of Guardians of the Galaxy Sets up for the impact at the end of the movie I'll put it this way It goes all out with a bang And then ends on a low point Where Civil War you end and you're like Oh my god I want to know what's happening next because You're like All my friends hate each other All my you're like You're like I don't know what's happening I need to know You Civil War had a better emotional impact Than Infinity War Where literally half the characters in the world died Agreed? Like seeing your friends split and not be friends anymore Is more hurtful than seeing them fade to dust and fade away into the wind Oh yeah Civil War's way better than Infinity War But I'm saying um I'm going to throw two things out for Guardians of the Galaxy Even if it doesn't win I just want to throw it It satisfied my need for seeing a cowboy bebop movie If it would I agree but Which is like just a smart space movie Old school music Great cast of characters Everyone's having fun Various different personalities And we learn about them And it culminates in them taking down a threat But they learn to Even if that threat was boiling Okay He was Killmonger He was Blue Killmonger He was bad He was a Blue Killmonger He was bad Killmonger was bad Yeah he was A lot of people don't say that Yeah no he was No but what I'm saying is How much battery Yeah we're probably approaching the end of battery We're probably We got We got to Yeah it's both red So let's Let's see you wrap it up I see your argument Civil War Let's do it And I'm not saying Guardians is a little good movie No these are both great movies But I'm just saying that We might have one more after this Which might be Thor Ragnarok Oh yeah Let's knock it See what it's up It is It is The one that has the most impact on me Is probably Civil War Oh no we have two after this Because we have to judge Thor Ragnarok versus Oh no did we put Thor Ragnarok In the audience Let's try to make this quick I think Civil War is the better movie I think Civil War is the better movie Because you got Black Panther The best Black Panther You got the origin for Spider-Man You got the best Iron Man movie And the emotional impact at the end of that movie Is you're just like Oh my god You really go from Tony Stark being like I'm a superhero too I want to kill that guy I will murder him And I don't care And I really don't care if he's your friend anymore And he doesn't even care if the king is getting ripped apart for him No and I don't care what He killed my mom And at the end of it What you see is Captain America be like Look I still kind of want to be High-sized looks like If he ever needs to reach me And you just feel like you watch all of your friends Get into the biggest fight of your life It's did everything Infinity War tried to do But ended the movie But better And actually had some closure And with the guy that didn't even have superpowers Good, we're done And now Finalized list Let me get it on camera Wait wait Let me get it on camera Just so in case something happens We can record it All right There we go So let's list them out real quick All right Screenshot that so This is a great Oh man That was rough man That was But I mean the thing was We had to come in and we had to Captain America Civil War Best movie MCU movie of all time I think I can agree with that I think I feel comfortable saying that And yeah But Like if somebody asked me Erin Yes What's your fate What's the best Marvel movie that exists Civil War Civil War And they would be like Hmm Okay I see what you said Yeah I can see that I get that And then they went Erin what's the worst Marvel movie that exists I can go Third arc world Third arc world And if you ask me like What's the top three Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy Ragnarok's Guardians of the Galaxy And they'd be like Yeah Yeah Yeah Civil War Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man Is that number nine Ant-Man the Wasp Is Ant-Man I I'm glad I'm an Spider-Man Or in those top I agree with our top five I agree with our top five I even grew with our top six To be honest with you I agree with our top seven I would have Would you rank Avengers Above Winter Soldier I think I would Yeah remember we ranked Yeah that's true Avengers Above Winter Soldier Yes Yes Yes Yeah I think Dr. Strange is so low It's it's it's good It deserves to be down there Look how crazy Thor Thor Dark World Number two Thor Ragnarok Thor Ragnarok Is number two It's amazing That's how much they fix that Move Um let's see So Civil War Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy Ant-Man Yes Spider-Man Homecoming Yes That is a fantastic lineup That's a fantastic lineup Top five There Bottom five First Avenger Yes Progressively getting worse here Yes Dark Dr. Strange Yes Thor Now we're just saying These are bad movies Because these are both Dr. Strange Yeah like Like Captain America Up to up to 16 I was saying Eh Yeah But when we get to When we get at least to 18 Once you get Dr. Strange down I'm just like These movies are bad These are bad movies Yeah These movies are bad Yes Where Where someone asked me It's not that we're saying Dr. Strange is a bad movie We're just saying Anything worse than this Is a bad movie But it's not for us But it's not for us And if anybody would ask me In any kind of definitive way Is Thor Dark Lord about me? I'd be like Yes Yeah He's back Yeah He's back And sitting right around the middle Ant-Man on the Wasp And Iron Man through And I think it's fair to put Ant-Man on the Wasp there I'm surprised every time I do this Iron Man comes out in the middle Which makes me feel like Iron Man is my litmus Or my watermark So whether I judge it may be good I think I think Iron Man is Where we I think Ant-Man on the Wasp Is going to be kind of that middle marker Iron Man Oh you still sound bad No I'm all done Oh Keep going I'm still recording on this guy Iron Man and Tyre Are Are good Are good Are good Iron Man 3 and Though we're starting to argue I'm starting to argue Why movies are getting worse Right And I'm using Iron Man Not necessarily as a good or bad I'm just saying it's my benchmark Yeah Iron Man Or Ant-Man on the Wasp Can be used as a benchmark for Paul And Iron Man and the Wasp is higher or lower Uh Ant-Man and the Wasp is one below Iron Man I wouldn't put it down there But on this list It's still impressive Yeah But you I mean you have 15 They have to go somewhere I mean I would rank Iron Man Higher than Iron Man Yeah If you want to see a good Iron Man movie Watch Iron Man Watch Iron Man Because remember we said We said you would say Ant-Man and the Wasp If they didn't But They did a couple of things that Iron Man Think didn't Yes Do the battle Ten thousand times I guess But Like I said It's not a bad movie No It's right there on that benchmark And I did not have a prior time Loach Like I said But it's no Thor Ragnarok It's no Spider-Man Oh It's just Like I said I'm still starting to see Ten thousand times Like somebody If somebody This is a good list If somebody came to me This is a good one It's a good one I can tell you