 onion. Both are both involved destruction, fire, you know. And both are representative of what the movie does. It destroys itself by trying to be what it is. But my god, does it think it's clever? I should have put like a monocle. Goodness gracious. A bionicle. A monocle. Put a bionicle in the explosion. Now I want to be a bionicle. We know bionicles are very cool. A very well-known signifier for intelligence having a bionicle. I would say that's true actually. Did you ever have a bionicle? I had several bionicles. I had the bionicle when they first came out. I had the fire one. Toa Tahu is his name. My brother had the ice one. And they had the ones where I forget the timeline. They had little ones that had like, they would roll up, not like transform, but they would just turn into little balls like Metroid for easy storage and they came in these special little containers. They turned into little balls like Metroid. Yeah, they turned into little balls like Metroid. I believe. Metroid girl turns into a ball and rolls around. Now it's the name. But I forget what they're called. I don't know either, but I have one of those on my shelf over there. They have like little teeth on the front. They had like red eyes. It's a green one, like a green face in it. We don't refer to people by that typically. I mean, I'm talking about Lego. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. I don't think I've had a bionicle. I think I might have had like one, but I don't know. I never cared for it much. Like I thought Lego just regular Lego. I prefer that. It was all Lego all the time for when I was a little guy. Your acknowledgement in the Simpsons universe ever that this skin is yellow? I don't think so. This guy. Anybody who would know would be Fringy. No, no, no. Remember the gag when like Homer hallucinated like Bart, Lisa, Maggie, like looking like like regular people with five fingers and everything? You screamed and ran out, I think. I think I remember that. Is that your bionicle that rags? That's one of the I had one that was like of this style, but I can't remember what color it was. I just know the know that you could like move their arms and legs and they would make like a little they become compact. And then you can they came in the little boxes and stuff because all of the can all the containers that you would ever get. They were really stylized and very definitely they often came in like tubes. Yeah, things like that. Oh, the tubes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, let me get the original here. That's the one I had. I had Tahoe. He was the fire guy. And this was the first one. This is when they were. And they have different weapons, right? Simple. Yeah. I have no idea what the story is. Something about wearing masks gives you like power or something. And he has he has like the fire mask and it gives him fire powers or something. I think it's like the government were in a big civil war and then they attack from underneath the crust of the earth. And they're called Lucas. You're talking about a different thing. No. Yes. He has the mask of gear. He has the Phoenix mask. Yes. Which gives him the fire powers. Bionicles of war, I suppose. Mm hmm. You need to do that. I remember Bionicle as being one of the first sort of. Yeah. Yeah, those guys. Yeah. And they would have the little. Yeah. They had like the little jelly masks inside of them. Yeah. But I don't know what they mean. The aliens. But that's Bionicle. I just don't know what any of this means. It's also confusing. They made TV shows and stuff for Bionicle, right? Mask of light. I've never seen it. I don't know if they because when they started making all those Lego movies, they made a Ninjago Lego movie, but they never got around to Bionicle. And I'm pretty sure they're not making them anymore. They didn't make enough money. Well, that's their loss. It depends on culturally. I guess it depends on how much money they spend, because I don't think like Mask of Light and everything. I don't think those were like theatrical. Oh, I'm talking like a Lego movie and stuff, which were like theatrical films. You don't think. Wait, are you saying the Lego movies didn't make enough money? The Lego movie did well. Lego Batman did fairly well, but Ninjago and the second one didn't do so well. It didn't make them anymore. I wouldn't expect Ninjago to do well theatrically. Well, and also came out the same year as the Lego Batman movie. So it's like that's kind of over saturation, I think. Oh, yeah. Do you think they tried to do like a Lego MCU kind of thing? Oh, they wanted to make it a franchise. But the problem was that the quality was starting to deteriorate. The Lego movie was the best one. Lego Batman was pretty cool, but Ninjago and the second one. Yeah, not a fan of those ones, really. So anyway. Yeah, enough about it. I'm going to stop before we start talking about Gallador. As we have been mentioned, there was to be a break this week, so we could get on with some other stuff. Oh, yeah, I remember you saying that to me. You know, Anne, I believe there was a very enormous and passionate sentiment of never again will we talk about glass onion. It is done. Go away. I mean, you guys may not know, but there was a fun little watch crew to watch the movie. And a part of that crew was Mr. Critical Drinker. And of course we discussed with him the film after it. And like, he puts out his video. I saw it and thought, yep, that about summarizes a lot of the issues, the general sentiment behind the creator, good stuff moving on. And then, then, posting this other video. This. And they were like, you be fair. The drinker video was pretty bad. This video is great. Oh my goodness. He thought the movie was great. No. Too significant reddit posts about all of this. The first one was the sentiment was this video kind of annihilates drinker and everyone should track it out. And to be honest, you know, sometimes you miss and you need to accept that. And the second post for it, and this was after I'd seen it as well. And I was like, right, EFAP's coming for this video. The second post was like, some people were like, how the fuck do people think this was a good video? What the hell? I was just like, that's more like it. Give it time. Give it time. Yeah. We have checked out this video because I was very curious. And my God, I can't wait to talk about this is the absolute state of glass onion defenders. I would say I guess. It's no good. A lot of it is stuff we've already talked about. You know, when a movie comes out, you do have to use the tools it provides. So when you're defending glass onion, the most common thing you see all over the internet is that fucking gif of Benoit Blanc being like, it's dumb. It's like, why? Why? Seemingly the most prevalent defense of the film is the jerks on you always pretending to be a retarded meme. Yeah. So, yeah. I often I want to sit down and ask Ryan, how seriously am I supposed to take your film? Just so we're just between you and me. Am I supposed to like give a shit? I mean, do you really have respect for this film, this type of film? Do you really? I don't believe you. Yeah, there's always a little bit of that. Are you trolling a little bit kind of like that way sometimes? Yeah. Are you a vampire? Except instead of sucking blood, you just suck like genres? Suck the joy out of all genre anybody's ever had? Well, the question that you've asked previously, Rags, but like with this defense, then they could never have failed, right? There's nothing I could have done wrong. No way they could have fucked this up. Yeah, tell me what's the difference between a good glass onion movie and a bad glass onion movie? Well, you know what? But you guys are saying it's good. It got brought up in a comment and I thought it was brilliant. I'll say a bad glass onion movie is this. A good glass onion movie is Hot Fuzz. Oh! Oh, nice. A comment that was explaining that, yeah, Hot Fuzz is a movie where Angel puts together everything as a super complex. He actually digs into all the reasoning and you know, they just those people are ruining the reputation of the village, so we're killing them. It's super simple. And like everyone there is a very simple village goer person. It's not, you know, and they even say to him, like, you're from the city, you assume everything is crazy, action-packed and like insane nonsense. Like, no, it's just void village folk. It's like an actual expert. All the facts are there all along and that, you know, you could have thought the correct thing, you know, because you had all the information, unlike glass onion where there's no way to predict what's going to happen because he just doesn't tell you. I'm afraid to compare any movie to Hot Fuzz, you know what? Well, compare it for the purposes of explaining how good Hot Fuzz is and how not good the other things are. It's acceptable. Yeah, and I should say I have very, like, important early plans tomorrow. That was, like, because the whole idea was I wasn't doing anything tonight, so hopefully we can get through this fast, right, guys? Yeah? Oh, you fool! Historically, yeah. Yeah, historically, yeah. It's only half an hour. We'll fuck off. Oh, it's going to be so... Well, we've done worse. You knew what you did when you didn't tell me how long that video was. And how eye-catching, too. It's already kicking off, lots of discussion around this video, and it's called the critical drinker lied to you about Gloss Onion. Oh, my goodness, lying in place. That's a bold claim. It implies some serious intent. Yes. Now, like I said, I've seen this and I already think it's absolutely fair to say Pillar of Garbage, the creator of this video lied to you about critical drinker. Oh, my goodness gracious. A pillar of garbage lied to me? Wait, his channel name is Pillar of Garbage. That's real. Well, I guess we'll find out if Pillar of Garbage is namesake. Yeah, Catty, hold up to that. Catty, give us what he's promised us. I was promised a pillar of garbage. Do not disappoint me. So, yeah, I mean, there's no reason not to just start this right up. Well, I've got to close my Bionicle tab first. I was going to say you guys can talk more about Bionicle if you want to. It's amazing how little I know about Bionicle. And yet, that just shows the power of Bionicle, I would say. Because look, Bionicle is crazy. I don't know what's going on. Where are we? Who are these people? What are we trying to do? What's going on? Hopefully as well. I'm keeping an eye. The audio level should be acceptable, but I realize even I might be a little too. Because it's still doing the thing. Every PC I ever have those are the thing where it lowers me by about 15 volume points every time. I have to push it all the way back. You probably have to check off a few of the embedded embedded filters. Is that like into the score? Maybe. But there are many filters you got to turn off like Discord will auto volume you it'll have like a really hard noise gate on you to where you'll fade out randomly. It's pretty annoying. You got to turn a lot off. Well, there's got to be something because it drives me nuts. It keeps being like we're changing you again. Against the will of the user. That's just what you should do with technology. I love it when it says you're not authorized to make this decision. I am the law. I am your boss. I have a hammer over there. Feels like, yeah. Fucking do it. All right. Here we go. Sorry. Super chat was funny. Here we go. There are a lot of lies in the critical drinker's latest video. A lot of smaller ones straddling the lines between deception and willful misinterpretation, a few bigger ones and man, it's such a strong clade immediately. Straight away, wouldn't the more likely cause for your disagreement to be that he just got something wrong. He made a mistake because he's mortal. No, we're not entertaining that. Willful misinterpretation. A little harsh already. You're not even going to leave room for him just being human and getting something wrong. He just knows now. Dang, what a claim. Let's find out. Is it one leader? Which is useful. There are a lot of lines between deception and willful misinterpretation, a few bigger ones and one particularly shameless bald faced fib. As a matter of principle, I try my best to avoid watching this guy's videos. It's not bald faced, it's bald faced. That's true. That's true, ER. People say bald faced lie. You gotta go away with that. It is bald faced lie. That's right. How can you have a face with no hair? Is it like one of those mix-up where they think like, oh, I could care less. I hate that one so much. I don't know, it seems pretty cut and dry to me. What was that sound? Somebody just died. Sounds like a chair moving. I have a little flute here. Usually Discord doesn't pick it up. Usually I just kind of mess around. People are none the wiser, but apparently that one caught, that one went through. Speaking of people getting idioms wrong, or words wrong, it is not half-hazardly. It is half-hazardly. I've never known it would be half-hazardly. Some people say half-hazardly. Some people say half-hazardly. The glass, as they say, is half-full. I'm a half-full kind of guy. The one I'm aware of, or one of the ones I'm aware of is Espresso, not Expresso. Yes, we say Expresso all the time. That's a bad one. I've made that mistake before. I thought it was Espresso. People say it's so wrong, so you think that's what it is. And then rags and then they say it enough, the dictionary goes, yeah, alright, fine. You know what, maybe it is. It literally does mean actually figuratively. Like no, no, never. Hold the line. Maybe it is nuclear now. Nuclear. Oh, I was watching an old movie the other night. And they say it was one of those old shitty 1950s movies with like monsters and stuff. So it's like 80% World War II B-roll, 10% guys in suits in a room, and then 10% bullshit, right? And they say Atomic Bomb. It's Atomic. Well, no, it's not. It's old. It's like 70 years old. But I was wondering like, oh yeah, we say Adam, but we say Atomic. But I guess someone would know that. In this old movie, Adam and Atomic. Well, when they announced the pronunciation of a word when it gets made, some other people were like, no, I don't like that. I'm going to push a different one, but then they get phased out eventually, they can't keep it up. Because I'm fine with Atomic. Atomic sounds fine, but I guess for whatever reason we swap to Atomic. It doesn't sound quite right. Atomic sounds so much cooler. I don't know. I wonder if I hit them both of the Atom. With no context, which one I would actually want to opt for. Atomic sounds, I don't know, stronger to me than Atomic. It sounds strong and normal, but we're so used to it. But like Atom and Atomic. Atomic sounds like a health concern. It is a health concern. Well, I mean... Anyway, where are we? Sorry, what's happening? Let's roll them back a bit. A few bigger ones, and one particularly shameless, bald-faced fib. As a matter of principle, I try my best to avoid watching this guy's videos, but someone sent me this later. As a matter of principle, you don't watch his videos because critical drink is a bad man. Oh, is he not? He's not. Well, to be fair, it's because he doesn't like stuff like Willow, which is a genius show. The Witcher Blood Origin, another genius show. Do you know if this guy likes those shows? I don't know if you think Willow's good. You need to just stop. Stop. You need to read the dictionary. Willow is a joke show. All right. It's like a tax fraud. I think that's a good start, a one for like, come on, no one likes this. Everyone could rip off that. If you think that Willow is good, you failed the test. You can't do this job. I like that he's torn between drinkers should be called out for his lies, and also, I try not to watch his videos, so he just tried to do both. Well, yeah, his argument here is that someone sent him the video, and so this is just the result now. It almost seems like you try to have those two people like, I would never go near this disgusting thing, but I did. All right then. No one put it right in front of me, and I just couldn't stop myself. I couldn't press pause. That pile of shingles just fell in my mouth as this just couldn't help it. It just fell in right in there. We did it in the previous podcast, but unfortunately, the Knives Out One and Gloss Onion, they're both movies where everyone can't resist talking about your intelligence, no matter where you stand on this film. Yeah. Yeah, these are the films where if you like it and you get it, you're a smart person who understands art, and if you don't like it and you talk about things like logic and plot, then you're just an idiot and you don't understand art at all. You're a liar. You're just lying about it. It's willful deception. You shit on it because you know it's good. And you don't want Ryan to have a good movie because you hate the last Jedi and you won't let it go. I'm going to say it now just so you guys know. You could have told this anyway, but we were there when Drinker watched it. He was complaining throughout a lot of it about the things that didn't make sense and he thought it was bad at the end. Yeah. He does not secretly love this film and he's just trying to roll it or whatever. We're all talking about it and he goes, guys, I think it was really good, but of course I won't say that publicly. The only thing he forgot is that I watched it with him. That's the only thing he forgot. Oh, yeah, that was quite funny. There was a German guy there. He was like, yeah, man. He's been here the whole time. It wasn't the lack of German representation in the movie. Yeah. There would have been a villain, though. Moral obligation to use my comparative... There was a massive... Wait, hold on. Can we push up? We will dial it back all day long. I love to dial things back. To the point that I feel a moral obligation to use my comparatively modest platform to push back against this slurry of bonehead... Moral obligation... Because... Moral obligation... Well, yeah. You can translate what he just said into I may be an underdog. I may be David, but Goliath, you're going down, buddy. Well, you know, it's gonna be funny, especially when we see what kind of arguments we're getting from this. Uh... I'll just go as far as saying, I don't even know the drinkers of where this exists. So it's just kind of funny, because he's already... A couple of questions are coming on like open bars, just like, you know, do you know people who have a shit on your take on glass? I was like, yeah, of course. Several shits on everything I ever have. I don't care. I'll get over it, sort of thing. And I was like, don't you worry. We'll check it out on all EFAP. I'm curious what they have to say. I'm always invested in knowing, like, when we come across a movie like Glass of Onion that is so impressively terrible, that it's like, oh, you got like a whole video? Not only defending the film and explaining like why it's really strong storytelling-wise, but in direct, like, response to someone who we have quite a few agreements with in terms of the flaws. It's like, this is kind of perfect. I'm going to be able to finally understand what's so good about it. Um, that's not what happens, but... What? It's overestimating, but hey, it's all right. I'm so sorry. Yeah, you can tell already from this intro that he considers, like, Drinker's whole approach to be bad, and he's a bad person and he lies and stuff. It's like, we've really, we really don't like Drinker in this video. You better have some strong things to say. He better, yeah. ...to push back against this slurry of bone-headed, brazen nonsense. Because it really does just lower this whole format of online media criticism. If you just want to see the main attraction, the mightiest porky, I'll put time codes in the description, but there's enough sheer box before the big one rolls around. He's saying there's a big lie that Drinker tells, but there are loads of other lies he tells that he wants to go over first. Oh my god. Yeah, I've never heard that before. Yeah, I've never heard a lie called a porky, but all right. I'm also curious how these lies are categorized. Is it the impact on the film or is it the amount of time it takes for him to lie? Or is it chronologically like where it sits in the film? I wonder, I don't know. How dare you? How dare you? You already know I've seen this. How could you in the character of someone named Pillar of Garbage? I'm not. I'm just asking questions. Wow, just asking questions. Okay, let's do it. Oh, what was that? Wait, what was that? Did I miss an ad read? Hang on, let's go back a bit. Uncausing? Wait, what? I don't understand. This is, yeah, I've seen this before. Okay, so I don't know if you guys have seen it, but it's quite a good meme. There's one where Hassan is responding to, or he's not even responding, I think he's just watching a video and this guy, the creator, he nails exactly where he predicted Hassan would pause and like right after he says thanks for unpausing Hassan or something like that. And it's like, it's a really funny video, it's a good clip. Irrelevant of anything else, just that in isolation. And I think ever since then, a lot of people have been trying to do that. People have done it with us before, but that's so fucking awkward. Yeah, that is awkward. I'm looking at that, I'm like, first of all, you just damaged your video for no reason at all, but secondly, why would we pause there? Why would you pick that? My thought was that maybe he expected people to pause his video, watch the movie first and then come back or something and you just forgot to put that in your script. Yeah, I don't know. No one does that. I suppose not. Imagine someone didn't even have any context with the idea of what he's trying to get across there and they just see this and he just randomly says thanks for unpausing, you're like, what? Dude, okay, okay. Thanks. Also, yeah, warning chat, this is going to have spoilers for Gloss Onion in it, all right? Oh, what? Don't put yourself through a spoiler alert. Gloss Onion spoilers, by the way. The star is really quite funny. Ah, stupid people. Let's be honest, they're basically everywhere in modern culture from politics to music to YouTube. Everywhere you look, you're confronted by vapid, brain-dead morons dispensing their unwanted and uninformed opinions like mentally challenged Delphic oracles. I do remember rings of power. I remember rings of power. Fortunately, I do. And no one gives a shit. Happy to concede that is a strong opening from Drinker. But the thing is, you know, he probably said don't worry, it doesn't apply to you. If it doesn't apply to you. I do like the mental image of a mentally challenged Delphic oracle. That's kind of fun. That's a good line. Good job. This is the text This is the text Oh, my goodness. Wait, what? We're interrupting what seems to be a very good running joke, okay? Got to let him explain this one. This is the irony note. I'm gonna play it every time the drinker says something bitingly unaware. What he means by that is when the drinker says this is stupid, he's gonna play that note to be like, actually know you. You're stupid. Actually know you. Yeah, it's just a note that means know you. Yeah, he's like trying to dress it up as being something more than it is just a fucking reverse card in Udo. Okay. It's just, it's just like, oh, that's all you could come up with. Okay. That's not very clever, but I guess you thought it was. Isn't gonna pay off immediately, but it's gonna pay off. What do you mean that was a pay off? That was a pay off. That was you establishing that I hit the note and then I explained what the note means. Don't worry, there's gonna be a pay off. I promise you. Do you think he originally said, don't worry it'll be funny eventually. Every time you've heard that note it was actually the irony note. It means know you. And then puts a little smile on the screen. I got him in my eyes. It's not very good writing to say outright it's gonna be a pay off. It's called setup, idiot. In the movie when the character says I have a gun, I might use it later. I might use it later. It looks directly to the audience. No, really. Remember this. I'm putting it in my shoe. Remember. Put it in a little ice pocket in the middle of the room. The battle they didn't even show us that. Yeah, I know. First half also of this video is pretty much a fairly inaccurate plot recap with some incidental last Jedi hate. Really? It sounds like it's purposeful. It wouldn't be incidental. A lot of people don't know this. Ryan Johnson actually made the last Jedi. He's the writer. To be fair, he might not know this. So Ryan Johnson made glass onion and then a few years before he waved knives out and famously, so I don't know how he missed this, made the last Jedi before that. When you review someone's story, you do often look at their history. When I was reviewing Multivismanus, I couldn't help but reference that Michael Waldron had been involved in Loki because it was not only relevant narratively but also just in terms of his past work and references to how good you can expect the work to be. You can say this is because he's obsessing about the last Jedi, but I think that's better proven if you could find a reference in every single video that has nothing to do with Ryan Johnson. It's a pattern of creativity and part of his artistic methodology. Apparently, self-professed doesn't watch drinkers videos, so how does he know that that's not the case? It's just weird to me that... It's obvious that you would reference Ryan Johnson's other films in a review of Ryan Johnson's film. If you're talking about Spielberg's latest movie and then you reference Jurassic Park, it's like, oh wow, 30 years ago, not letting that one go. You know for a fact that if still was positively reviewing Gloss Onion, and then they said man, this is a great, great fucking movie just like Knives Out and just like The Last Jedi. This guy's not going to go wow, that came out in 2017, dude, still milking. Yeah. Drinkers welcome to say that The Last Jedi is bad in his video reviewing someone who made that movie, making a new movie. I wonder if this guy gushed when Joker came out, if he was one of the people who was big onto the whole like, it's just Taxi Driver, it's just King of Comedy. It's like, man, let it go. Are you even referencing other films? Yeah, let it go, man. Yeah. I just wanted to get to the point where it's like that came out a month ago. Let it go, dude. Why are you referencing shit? Well, that's what it's done. That came out last week, dude. We're not even talking about Love and Thunder anymore. Ugh. But yeah, the first half also of this video is pretty much just a fairly inaccurate plot recap, with some incidental last Jedi hate. Really, really milking that one, huh? Oh, nice audio change. It's supposed to be funny rags, it's like I go and see you when I do that, it's like funny because it's closer to the mic. Oh, okay. Kind of something more like it was edited later. It probably was edited later, because I was like, ooh, I can do a shot of it. I think it absolutely was. He just rang up one morning and he's like, you know what, make this funny. Damn, dude, I gotta get to it. I forgot this movie was from 2017. I better add that joke in. And the funny thing is, I think the argument makes way more sense if you make it about, I guess, my channel. If you look at it, you'd be like, so much Star Wars, obsessed with hating on it. Like, Drinker, if you look at his library, he's covering, like, fucking everything that comes out. I don't even know. And then, of course, he said he hasn't seen the video, so he has no reference for how he's, how mean. Because even if I was watching all of Drinker's videos and kept saying TLJ references every time, I just feel like he probably changed the metric at this point, Drinker. The thing is, he doesn't do that, so... We're at plot recap. With some incidental last Jedi hate. Really, really milking that one, huh? Yeah, milking. Let's just joke through it and point out a few certified silly fella moments. Cool. Some of these are lies, some are just deceptive, but all are, yeah, silly. Okay. What does it mean? Interpretation to silly? Just being a silly little guy. So we have all of the examples. Many of them are lies, but we can guarantee that they're all silly. What does he mean by that? Just wrong? Silly lie. What's the difference between a silly lie and a serious lie? There's silly. Silly lie. And the context of this... Silly little liar. Silly liar, dude. That makes us silly. There's going on about modern Hollywood being idiotic, and he plays a clip of Jennifer Lawrence talking to Viola Davis. Girls and boys can both identify with a male lead, but boys cannot identify with a female lead. Oh, absolutely. A famous clip went around quite a many places. The more famous clip was when she said she, as Katniss Everdeen, approved that women can lead action movies. That was the one that... Oh, fuck off. It's a constant joke now on Open Bar, and I think Friday Night Tights, where whenever anyone references like an older or foundational thing, someone will be like, wasn't that Jennifer Lawrence? And it's always hilarious. Yeah, so, you know, the one thing I will say is that, as I was just pointing out here, the full context is that this was a thing that was said to Jennifer Lawrence by the film industry. Or Hollywood, I guess. And then she says it. And it's weird to watch, because it looks like Viola Davis agrees with the idea that, yeah, boys can't associate... The whole point was that Jennifer Lawrence doesn't believe that to be the case. Right, but like I said, I'm not sure if Viola Davis is agreeing with her or agreeing with her. It's bad that people would tell her that, but obviously the point would still stand that that's a really fucking dumb thing that Hollywood would have said to her alone. Whether or not she believes it. This is pretty misleading. The sound bite in question went viral a while back, leading to a bunch of people trying to dunk on Lawrence and Davis for the obviously silly sentiment coming out of Lawrence's mouth. But a lot of that was thanks to precisely this kind of context stripping. See the function of the clip, please. By her, sorry, by him saying that the sentiment was obviously like silly, right? But she's reporting what she was told by the executives. So you're agreeing with Drinker and you don't even know. Yeah, so this guy is not smart enough to understand that he's just agreeing with Drinker. Well, we will see. We will see what he says about that potential. He's in the drinkers video, is a quick example of dumb Hollywood brain and implicitly tying this into the reactionary circle trick around the woman. I don't even... The clip itself was so bad that it got memed to death. Everyone made fun of it to the point where she had to explain herself later in another interview. It was like, oh, I didn't mean to take away from other women who've made great... It's just like, yeah, but you did because you didn't fucking remember or care. It's really weird for a famous actress to not... Female Hollywood actress, yeah. To not automatically be like, oh man, you know, Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton and even referencing like Sarah Michelle or any people. It's like they obviously made progress. I've just ignored all of them. It's hard, right? Were you not inspired by women? A hard person being narcissistic? I know. Wouldn't you have been inspired by women who had been in Hollywood and making movies and acting before you were, right? You would have those references. You'd think. This one came in about here. Hollywood Dumb is the main point here, but the subtext is because it's just fucking making fun of someone who's stupid to say something. You don't have to make everything... Someone who said a dumb thing. It doesn't have to be the culture war every time. You can also agree with it if it's dumb. It's okay. It's funny too because you'll find most people are annoyed at everything being culture war, but then they'll still be the same people who make everything the culture war. Yeah. Oh yeah. Can't just be like, when I heard this full clip, I was just like, fucking hell. How? I wasn't like, is this left or right? What do I do? It's just stupid. It's just dumb. It's just a thing. It's just a thing. The down clip doesn't show is what Lauren said literally just before. We were told girls and boys can both identify with a male lead, but boys cannot identify with a female lead. Oh, absolutely. And see, Violetta's response is unclear if she's saying absolutely we were told that there is a reality to that sentiment or something. Yeah, I don't know. This is what she's been told by the Hollywood people in charge. She's not necessarily disagreeing with this here. It's so odd that neither of them are like, which is absurd, of course, because boys are people too. Well, calm down. Wait a minute. Calm down. Recalling what studio execs told her way back when she also thinks this is not that way back, right? That's not even that long ago. She hasn't been alive for anything in her life to be way back when. She's 30, right? She's like 30 years old. There's like nothing in my life was a long time ago. The galaxy far, far away. You could argue and I'm sure I was there if you pointed this out to him that, okay, sure, that's the point. The studio execs, she's quoting, display this dumbness. But even if so, Lawrence is talking about stuff from over a decade ago at this point. So if you're using this to set up a... Yeah, but this came out recently. Yeah, she said this recently. It's... So Drinker obviously doesn't think like, oh, they're dumb today, but they weren't 10 years ago. No, he's just using examples of them being dumb to say they're dumb, which is, you know, you get all kinds of dumb shit from Hollywood, from whoever's speaking. Indeed. And it's okay to admit that there's dumb stuff in Hollywood. No one's losing the culture war because you admitted, yeah, Hollywood, they say some dumb stuff. I'm going to be honest with you, if 10 years ago they said little boys, they just can't deal with female leads, I'd be like, oh, they're saying way worse stuff now. That's like tame almost sometimes compared to some of the shit you end up hearing. So, I don't know, this, yeah, this is fine. If this statement were like 100 years old, I would still be like, well, I guess he's just saying that they've always been stupid. Like, it's just, it's a constant. So, books about how that Hollywood... They said Adamic. Adamic. Day, the Hollywood that produced glass onion is dumb and stupid. It's really not the most relevant example. And give me... This is why I'm getting confused by this. This was spread around by a lot of people. It was a brand new clip. And what I'll say is I'm surprised Trigger didn't throw in the one where she says, like, Katniss Everdeen. Yeah, I think it would have been better off throwing in that one. You know, that's all right. It's also just kind of a dumb joke at the beginning. Yeah, you don't need to think about it this hard. You'll be okay. Are you saying that this comment is a glass onion? Oh my God. Oh my God. This interpretation. It's pretty clear why this is really here. Because he hates... What was that? Pretty clear. He's just made it culture a worry thing. It couldn't be if she said something dumb. It couldn't be. I would go as far as saying this is pandering. Of course this is pandering. Of course. Boring to me. He doesn't watch drinkers videos out of principle. Except the one that's real bad because he was forced to. Except the ones that he can utilize to make a video for his channel. But other than that, he does not watch drinkers videos out of principle. But yeah, there's this. There's some Star Wars whinging. Made by a man who gleefully set out to burn one of cinema's most beloved IPs. And succeeded. I think the top comment on our coverage of glass onion is someone saying, him burning the mode of Easterners movies is absolutely him burning Star Wars. That's the point. But it burns if you have to. It's hard not to see a connection. Right? Even if you hate Star Wars as a whole, it represents something culturally that barely anything gets to that level. That's one of the more baffling responses I've seen. People defending glass onion. How could you mention the last Jedi at all? It's relevant. It's similar. What do you do when you have an interpretation you think is absolutely bizarre, but thousands of people have it? You then just be like, huh, there must be something there then. Is there something to detect? Or do you think it's just coincidence and everyone just hating too hard? Look at that game of chair back there. It's just milking it. I saw people saying in defense of trying to humiliate Duke with the mum character that he's the rich one. He's probably taking care of her. They're not going to entertain that in the movie. No. The groans. Tell me, how's that trilogy coming along, Ryan? It's not happened yet. It's been five years. It's not happened yet, dude. We're still talking about it. It's entirely a matter of scheduling. It's not happened yet. Oh, no, he's getting black atoms. It's me. Black atoms. The reason why this joke doesn't work at all is because drinkers' joke is a joke where it's like, the trilogy's coming. Don't worry, guys. And then you go and respond to that. It's coming, is it? And then you respond to that with, it is, though. He says it's coming. Oh, yeah. Drinkers are coming. He only said that Half-Life 2 Episode 3 was coming for a while. Yeah. They haven't made any theatrical Star Wars movies in quite a while, but it's totally going to happen any second now. They've even done. In production for a Ryan Johnson movie, which means it's at least going to be a seven-year gap between his movie and a new Star Wars movie from Ryan Johnson, right? That's probably safe to say. Well, because, I mean, Rogue Squadron got announced like proper director and release date. His stuff is like, it's just not on the slate. It's like a whisper of an idea. And take that, right? The idea that, at best, there's going to be a seven-year gap between his two Star Wars movies, and then tell me it was such a good movie that they wanted him to make another trilogy. And it's like, so why the fuck is there a seven-year gap? Exactly. Why wasn't there a rush to get it out, to make so much money and get accolades? It's what we call Take the Owl. They clearly recognized the fucking foul stench of TLJ, and they were like, look, they recognized it when the Rise of Skywalker came out. Netflix paid like $500 million for these Knives Out films, alright? You don't need to relentlessly be standing. He's fine. He got paid. He's making movies. By the time they actually get around to even entertaining making this film, I imagine it's going to be several... He's made a TV show, and he's already onto the next Knives Out. Where is he fitting Star Wars trilogy into all this? I mean, it's got to be like... And when you say, well, of course, it's a matter of scheduling, that's what it says. And it's like, you know, I can't schedule in a world tour just in general, but I don't know that I've ever got a really... I can keep saying, you know what, it's just a matter of scheduling. The thing is, they are scrambling to figure out what the fuck they're doing with the Star Wars movies. They're not committing to getting him to make a trilogy. I mean, we know. We know that's not happened yet. They weren't even able to commit to getting Patty Jenkins to make one movie. Also, I know what he's... I'm not committing to throw him to the curb yet, either, because they just don't know what they're doing. It's still on the table. Who knows? They're giving the obvious answer. This is the obvious corporate answer. We're still, maybe, maybe. Read that little paragraph, right? It's Johnson's claims as Kennedy assures readers that we love him, chalking the delay up to general business and a production schedule that requires him to work three, five years in advance. Oh, fuck, if it's five years in advance, we may not get a Ryan Johnson Star Wars for a total of a 10-year gap, which will be hilarious to look back on. They're like, yeah, they loved him so much he made a way to decade. Fucking hell. We love him. We don't despise him. Please, don't ever hurt him like that. Rags just highlighted. You get the sense of the Black Adam shit, where it's like, oh, man, do I love Black Adam and I'm definitely going to be coming back someday. Bye. Like, hmm. Thank you, Promise. How's that thousand-year rike coming? He's coming, I promise. A couple more days. This is such Hollywood to speak to. It was a film professor we had in school that was talking about the difference between, like, the film scene in New York and the film scene in L.A. And the way he put it really simply was you go into a meeting, you pitch them something, you show them a proof of concept, and in New York, they're like, all right, this sucks. You need a new camera guy. The script is all right, but you need new this. Come back to me when this is better. And if you go to L.A., they're like, oh, my God, yeah. Oh, no, we're so excited to work with you. Yeah, we'll be in touch, and they mean the same thing. That's the culture of L.A. So, like, oh, we love him. Yeah, no, nothing's off the table. Yeah, we're, you know... Isn't it the meme of, don't call us, we'll call you? Yeah. Don't try to contact us, ever. We'll do it, don't worry. Please. Yeah, so this just doesn't work for me at all. I just like the... You'll be able to maybe do some more smug sort of approach to this when the movie's in production. Then you can stop being like, ah, he did get it, but I think you've still lost. It's been this long. I can remember, too, that, I mean, tying back into the Last Jedi stuff, and why it's relevant, especially with Star Wars, is it wasn't just like a massive cultural divide that it created. The Last Jedi made, like, $700 million less than The Force Awakens, and the Rise of Skywalker made $300 or so million less than The Last Jedi. It's all I... It's all I failed to recruit, but it's... Also so low. I don't know why we dance around it. It killed Star Wars as they filmed my pee. It did. It's impact on Star Wars is like unprecedented how it killed that. And to be clear, it's not about whether or not they would still make money if they released more. It's that it did so badly. They're just not sure what to do. Like, that's terrible. The prequel trilogy, when the first one came out and when the third episode came out, they both made pretty much the same amount of money. It consistently paid, you know, it consistently made money. The Awakens made double what the Rise of Skywalker made. The drop was... It got halved. And TLJ was in the middle, so... And they thought, okay, we can put out some low stakes, low effort, low, like, risk stuff in the streaming circuit. And they're already ending the Mandalorian, I think, right? Like, this is the last season. Oh, thank fuck. I thought season four was, like, guaranteed. Or is it last season with Pedro Pascal? I remember reading something about this season at the end of something. Moving on to my sanity, probably. But yeah, you know, just the state of Star Wars. And I hate to reference this, but it's true. You know, Andorra's evidence of Star Wars apathy, at least, or maybe some marketing error, but holy fuck like that. That's the... Star Wars is, like, no more of an impactful IP right now, necessarily the fucking, like, witch of blood origin. It's like, Andorra's over there. I didn't see anybody talking about Andorra. Oh, Andorra's really good. All of you should go and see it. It's a... Absolutely. And yeah, you could just imagine they have meetings. They're all like, so, Star Wars movie? And they're like, I don't know. I don't know. Did Star Wars sell anymore? They're probably waiting for someone to give them a script, I guess, and a pitch that really gets them. Because, like, obviously, Patty Jenkins' one got scrapped as well, right? Isn't the Tiger Way TT one supposed to be a thing? Is that happening? Yeah, it is, but I don't know when. He's making a Star Wars movie? Yeah, he's supposed to be... They even had a little title card thing for it in their presentations. Like, there it is, the Tiger Way TT Star Wars. But yeah, I'm not looking forward to that, if you remember. Not just that. He made Mandalorian Season 1 finale, remember? Where he made a canon that Stormtroopers can't name? Oh, no. Right. Which is so funny, because, like, you know for a fact that when they were making Andorra, if you talk to Tony Gilroy and been like, you know that Stormtroopers can't name, right? He'd be like... Of course they can. They'll shoot our heroes, there's tension. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, he would just be like, I need them to be able to aim, so they could aim. If they never hit the target, yeah, then we can never have tension, and they'll never be an intimidating bad guy. What fool would say that they can't aim? A lot of people are saying that's been scrapped as well, the Tiger Way TT one. The Star Wars moviemaking is fucked. Is it because of Love and Thunder? Oh, it could be that, yeah, it could be. I mean, everyone's saying, like, the Patty Jenkins stuff, that has to be downstream of Wonder Woman 84, right? Yeah, that movie. That was a movie. I think that sometimes they want us to be convinced that things like that wouldn't make a huge difference, but that there has to be that thing of like, of course you're still getting the project, yes, 100%, and then they turn around and they're like, no. Get the fuck out of my office. It was fucking crazy, man. It was crazy. I'm glad it happened in a weird way, because, wow, what a viewing experience that was. Going on. The E-Fap coverage of Wonder Woman 84, whatever you want. It's packaged in with the coverage of Wonder Woman the first. True. Yeah, the E-Fap movies, and there's the fact that, was it like a New Year's thing that we did Wonder Woman? I can't remember. I can't remember. Strangely. Christmas is like a weird New Year's. Yeah. A Christmas miracle. Christmas Nightmare. It's the most beloved Christmas, really. I guess, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Grounds. How's that trilogy coming along, Ryan? The funny thing about using this as a joke as well is that this has been the case since 2017, basically, so why try this? It's not new information. Like, yeah, well, this is kind of what I said at the beginning. Someone says, it's coming. The drinker goes, no, it's not. Someone goes and responds, idiot. They literally said it's coming. I believe everything that I am told. Well, just drink it. I know they said that. I'm saying I doubt that. That's what's happening. I believe everything that's published on denofgeek.com. Yeah. That mystery was the presence of coincidence. I mean, wouldn't it make sense to be complaining about the film that is in the same series? Well, so, yeah. What he's doing for you, I think, explain this really well. If you literally start your review saying, what I do is break down chronologically first and then summarize. He'd be like, and then he talks about how he does his bullshit. You'd be like, oh. You have to reframe every single thing he does and do as negatively as possible. Winging. I think he said it earlier. He basically just threw in casually that drink it inaccurately recapped the film. We're not going to be showing that. He never gave any examples. I thought for sure he would go through that, but apparently not. Maybe we'll get him later. Maybe. We're not actually going to get any examples. I want to know if Drinker said the problem with Knives Out is that there's a lot of contrivances. I'd be like, wow, Drinker's so kind to that movie. Like this. Like it's so much fucking worse than that. How's that trilogy coming along, Ryan? Oh, it's not around. Then there's some Knives Out whinging where he claims the big problem with that mystery was the presence of coincidences. Look, I could say what a bunch of other people have said both in response to this guy and the other glass onion understander. I made a video about a while ago. What does that have to do with Knives Out 1? Logging his Ben Shapiro video? I guess it is. Yeah, I guess so. Dear Liberals can wash my glass onion to me. Oh, also my favorite. I have a trick question they can't. Is there a reason why the dear Liberals text is like blurrier than the text? I have no idea. Oh, because that's real. That's part of the actual... Oh, true. Just make the dear Liberals hard new. Don't copy dear Liberals. I see. Also, he's doing the YouTube video man thing where he says, you know, I could go through all the reasons that wrong. All the reasons that that's wrong, but other people have already done it. Just know that I could if I wanted to. I guess in this case, he's appealing to another video he's made, I guess. No, but this isn't about Knives Out. Yeah, this isn't about Knives Out. Maybe he's about to come full circle. Curious, why would you set it up with Knives Out and then go to Glass Onion? Coincidences are kind of pretty standard, essential. Oh, God. Coincidences? Coincidences is just what happened, you know. What's the false thing? Oh, yeah, let's roll him back. Yeah, he's rolling back again. I made a video about a while ago that coincidences are kind of pretty standard, essential, even to this genre. But if there were no other... I don't know why I don't know why you would appeal to the genre like to make that clear. Coincidences are essential to the mystery genre. You couldn't have a mystery movie without coincidences. Well, I'm curious, yeah. Does he think they're bad if they don't have coincidences? Well, yeah. Well, it has to have coincidences or else it's not even a mystery genre. He says they're essential. Well, the thing is, I suppose it's important to distinguish between good and bad coincidences in the story. There's an exciting incident coincidence versus a coincidence that comes in at the end that saves the protagonist, allows him to figure everything out and how significant is that coincidence? How likely was it to occur? Well... It's not like what we've done. As we know, I think one could say there are a couple of what you could call inciting incident coincidences in this film, but there are an insane amount of coincidences at the end that resolve everything. In order for this film to make any sense, we've got holes and coincidences all over the third act. But I wonder if he's going to make that distinction. Maybe, he will. Red herrings, no dead ends for the detective. Red herrings and dead ends are not coincidences. They're not coincident. These are entirely different things. I don't know why you're talking about them. In understanding, I made a video about a while ago that coincidences are kind of pretty standard, essential even to this genre. That if there were no other angles, no red herrings, no dead ends for the detective to waddle through on their quest for the truth, stories like this would be a lot shorter. He just mentioned coincidences. Drinker just said there's a lot of coincidences. I don't know why he's talking about that. And all recent responses are essential to the genre. And also, all of these other things that are not relevant to anything Drinker said. As if he's trying to lump these in as part of his rebuttal to Drinker. Well, maybe if I don't talk about coincidences and instead I talk about all these other things, it'll get lumped in with that. It feels almost as weird as someone being like, man, that new Star Wars movie full of plot holes. You know, like, plot holes are essential to the space opera genre, much like many of the elements in writing, like a prosthetic alien special effects. Like, what the fuck is happening? What? Talk about coincidences. Yeah, talk about coincidences. We mentioned coincidences. Talk about them. We're boring, but hey, why listen to me, right? You could listen to Bob Goffman, though. Who's Bob Goffman? Wait, wait, wait, hold on. I thought he was about to play, like, what Drinker actually said. Are we going to get what Drinker actually said about Knives Out? Maybe eventually, maybe one day. Let's hear out Bob Goffman. Who the fuck is Bob Goffman? Hey, why listen to me, right? You could listen to Bob Goffman, though. A published mystery novelist who's written a... Oh, Drinker's published. Yeah, Drinker's published. Oh, that's right. All right, Drinker, Bob, fight. Fight, fight, fight. Hit each other with your barbs. Hit each other with your barbs. And I'm pretty sure we're going to call him Bob, though. Bob? I'm just amused by how like... It's only when she's swimming. It doesn't matter whether or not you publish. Two fucking kids, that doesn't make your argument better. I don't give a shit. Hitler was on the Time magazine Man of the Year or something, right? That's true, yeah. And he loved dogs or something, right? I love Germany, right? Don't listen to me. Listen to Adolf Hitler. He's a fine man of the year. He's a fine man of the year. Very accomplished gentleman. This is a quote that's like, coincidence and storytelling are unnecessary and you're inciting incident Hitler. What a wise man. The man had a vision. You could listen to Bob Goffman, though. A published mystery novelist. A site with a blog post linked below about how there are good coincidences and bad coincidences in the genre. Bad coincidences are the ones at the end which lead to the case being solved. Oh, you mean like... Oh, so you did this? Dude, Hugh did this is one of the stupidest things that ever happened. The way that ransom admits to the crime with the particular choice of words he used when he could have used much less incriminating ones at the end that would have fucked their whole plan. I'm trying to think off the top of my head what are the coincidences that are at the end of the film? There's plenty. It's so bad. It was a huge coincidence that... They know that the... Yeah, the huge... They know that the... Or at least they were told that the help was alive, right? Why did he use the words, and killed her if they know that she's alive? And then she reveals oh, no, she's dead. Like, what the... Let me get the script because I remember being so cringe I rewound it and I was like, Mel, listen to how it said it's so bad. Yeah, you did. Are you just mean to Mel? I know, I'm sorry. No, it was there when it happened. So mean. Where is it? I guess I didn't. Yeah, okay. So, just to remind you guys of what was happening in Knives Out it's that Ransom has killed quote-unquote the the maid lady but the Marta got to her just in time to save her and she's in hospital and so they said we've got evidence that you did what you did to her which means you're going away forever, like you murdered her and then she gets a call, Marta to say that she's died, the maid has died in hospital and I think if she dies, the idea being if she had survived, she could have named Ransom as the person who did what happened to her but now that she's dead, they've got no evidence if that dies with her however, they've told Ransom that she is alive and so now all they need is Ransom to admit that he tried to kill her because then you can get him in court and be like, well he tried to kill her and she died so it's murder as opposed to attempted so now all they need is for him to admit it and Blanc says Arlen bought this house in the 80s from a Pakistani real estate bar and he's talking about their history and stuff and then Ransom says, oh shut up Blanc shut up, shut up, with that Kentucky fried Foghorn, Raghorn Droll yeah I killed Fran but I guess I didn't so what do you have on me? it's so bad like I did not remember it being that bad yeah no, I had to rewind that to make sure he didn't just like lie to me when she turned yeah so the reason why this is so funny to highlight is that Ransom knows that she's going to name him as the attempted murderer and that his whole idea is that I'll be out soon enough after an attempted murder I'll be in for however long but if he admits that he killed her or tried to kill her then they can get him and so you have to have him say that but Ransom has to be a fucking moron to word it that way I killed it but I guess I didn't because she's not dead so yeah and on top of that she can just hold her puke in much longer than before oh yeah she can hold it in for like 20 minutes during the entire thing ridiculous and yeah Ryan Johnson's like worst dialogue is some of the funniest shit but it's all over his movies you know I'm glad Pillars of Garbage has cited Bob here to explain that actually there are differences in coincidences that some can be okay and some can be really bad but we still haven't heard what Drinker actually said about knives so it's like who the fuck are you arguing with well yeah this would be like the if all I said was I didn't like Tildred because there's plot holes in it and then someone's like you know some plot holes don't even have much effect on things so yeah it's like well but we don't know anything about what I just said that might technically be true but talking about get a little bit specific give me an example just one maybe pretty please which lead to the case being solved and the ones which happen before this to set up or deepen the mystery a kind of is that okay to deepen the mystery it's okay to just use contrivances and plot holes shit like so we're really only including the third act at that point it's not something I would want to tell an aspiring writer is like you know if you want to deepen the mystery just have an insane coincidence happen if it deepens the mystery oh my god aliens totally fine oh my god don't have it like make sense or be oh my god a twin oh my gosh it was a twin all along it's so clever okay all right hear me hear me out guys what if Peter Parker was bit by a radioactive spider in the third act to resolve the movie instead if only I had spider powers to defeat this evil villain oh my gosh I would be funny with green gums like I've devised an un-radio active spider to bite you and it'll take your power it's just a normal fucking spider a regular spider ahh and so long as they're purposeful they're good as long as they're purposeful the whole point is that they're purposeful what do you mean but when you say as long as they're purposeful like as long as it does something it's fine it serves the purpose of making the movie like happen in the first place like as in everything in glass onion that would have shut the movie down because if you know if Miles was like hey no you can't actually come on to my island like to be fair to bob here it looks like she's saying actually don't make a coincidence in the rest of repair like actually work it to make it work I'll just read it out so we can talk about it this is what he is highlighted here's what you do you take your coincidence is a make it purposeful what he hasn't highlighted is what come next the explanation so here we go instead of Susie Sleuth coincidentally ending up sitting in a diner booth adjacent to that of the two killers where she over hears them talking about how they killed Mr is that just Mr I guess Mr he? Mr he deserved it right uh change things so Susie realizes killer one seemed shady so she was investigating him and in the course of his sleuthing followed him purposefully getting seated in the next booth that way when she eaves drops and hears all the juicy details she's done it because she figured things out not because she stumbled upon the solution thanks to an unbelievable coincidence oh so you know this article contradicts him as we all just said she's saying like you need to actually give some cause and effect as someone just said he quote mined Bob how could you do that you know what hmm wow what a twist it is a bit awkward because I agree with her I just wouldn't have phrased it as take your coincidence and make it purposeful take your coincidence and make it not a coincidence yeah exactly cause this isn't a coincidence she didn't write it very well but this the point of this paragraph I don't know about the whole article but the point of the paragraph that he has chosen to highlight is in direct opposition to him saying that coincidences are essential to the genre but the thing about it is like example the nature of the nature of coincidence is arising in stories like murder mysteries they're not there for any much more reasonable reason than any story they end up everywhere they're all over the fucking place in storytelling because you want certain things to happen yeah but I just it's so funny because to go back to what Cap was saying sorry what was drinkers thing again we were responding to that right what did he say he said there was a lot of coincidences well that's what pillars of garbage said he said he's a singular pillar he's a singular pillar he's a coming plural stop bullying he's holding up this house of lies so was it stop bullying this humble cherry picker I am but a humble picker of cherry certainly a humble picker of cherry I see only to feed my youtube channel if anyone watching this wants to argue that any particular coincidences in either knives out film don't fit this bill you're more than welcome oh like all of them when she describes proposal meaning like supported that none of them are in those films they're so fucking bad people just generally people just happen to be in a location that allows them to see something that's incredibly useful or important and it's purely coincidence massive violent huge mansion I just happen to be here to overhear these particular two people talking about a particular thing that I need to know for the mystery to happen well isn't that hilarious considering what yeah what Bob said and Bob would be like no Ryan no that's bad there needs to be a reason and you need to kill what are you doing well then again maybe that would be his argument right when Benoit Blanc and whatever were going around eavesdropping on the island it was because they were trying to figure out what was going on see the contrivance the contrivance isn't that they overheard something sensitive when they were expecting to cover them it's that they had two hours in one day and they got everything they needed this is like saying it's totally not a coincidence that the treasure hunter just happened to find the treasure in the entirety of the Amazon jungle because he was out there looking for it so it's not a coincidence yeah exactly and of course not to mention like this is why we have like characters who do stakeouts and they take forever and we don't see all of that stuff we get told about it's to the point that it becomes a meme in a lot of stories like oh stakeouts are boring and shit like half of like 10 hours hoping that something interesting might happen Tweet your case to me but I'm not going to preemptively go over every plot beat in those films here because I'm not the one making this. Why did you bring it up then but this is a response video to how he lies so we have to assume like so that was all chill then or was it not if you're not interested in talking about knives out even though Drinker did just don't talk about it yeah that's fair he doesn't watch drinker videos on principle even here well because he took this whole section to say drinker has issues with that film but they might be answered by this author's opinion on coincidences oh okay but it turns out they're actually what the drinkers say I need to know you won't you won't know yeah I know bye bye I was I was being bye bye the burden of proof here is on the drinker and Joker he doesn't even bother you haven't you're responding to him if all of your if you're all you're gonna do is say he's got the burden of proof especially when he's not talking about he's talking about glass onion I was gonna say because it's so choppy right now I don't even know what this section drinker's video looks like or sounds like rather but it could be that he said knives out as full of contrivances and then you can pursue his video on knives out if you want to see what his reasoning is kind of like what he did earlier in the video where he's like you can watch my Ben Shapiro video but apparently drinkers have to do that I guess where he's like well we're not talking about you know this is what I mean it sounds so reasonable right now it's like he made TLJ bad destroyed a fucking IP he's going after who done it's his first one was bad now he's thought this one like that that is a preamble makes so much sense to me but this guy's like trying to desperately to tear it apart as unreasonable yeah for making a case he just says something which sounds kind of cogent in the moment doesn't evidence or substantiated and you're allowed you're allowed to say that you don't like knives out you think it's bad and it's full of contrivances you can say that without having to provide all of your arguments especially if yeah it's about glass onion I sure would like a single example must be nice at this point I don't even know like I said I feel like I'm lost in whatever drinkers we're not going to do it so that we watch drinkers videos side by side so it's going to get complicated but yeah yeah it makes you wonder he would add anything but all right last man right now oh why is it my mouse is double clicking he played earlier when it he played clips of drinkers video when he thought it served as argument but then he just curiously doesn't hear which is to be fair I think why was this section even here just skip this because it's more drinker dunking when it's urgent in the moment you'll notice this becomes a you literally said that you think that he's like probably wrong on knives out you're not going to go into it you can do this it's okay you're allowed am I supposed to take here just feels really weird he's like done the things the drink is not allowed to do running trend when the guy finally gets to glass onion he kicks it off by criticizing the wardrobe choices they're not realistic enough the most obnoxiously flamboyant wardrobe since Paul Feig stepped outside I can't believe you think that real human beings are supposed to look like this Ryan it's just a joke it's fun come on it's okay to say that Blanc dress is very silly yeah all right it's a silly little fellow I had to argue that was kind of the point he's no one wears that by accident yeah yeah it's fucking I think even Ryan Joseph be like yeah I've had him where we because we're like yeah it's kind of funny where's these kind of clothes this is what this is being treated as his drinker is like it is a serious flaw with the film that Benoit Blanc's wardrobe does not match that of the average person I think it's just him saying his clothes are dumb yeah that's it the thing of like Ryan Johnson does he believe that people dress like this it's like well that's the point right is that Benoit Blanc is weird yeah I would probably say that but like I said I wouldn't really waste much thought on that comment it seems to me the drinker just thinks it's a goofy outfit that's all he is accurately pointing out that the outfit is huge fan of his goofy old school neorealism maybe he got bitten by a radioactive Chesiree's avatini but what the fuck is happening what we're talking about neorealism and what I'm gonna roll them back I think I missed something like this Ryan look maybe the drinker is just a huge fan of old school neorealism maybe he got bitten by a radioactive Chesiree's avatini but as I'm sure most of you who have seen more than two films in your life realize realism fidelity to everyday life oh my fucking god he's just saying the outfit is goofy but also you know the drinker seen more than two films in his life so yeah damn I don't know why we got so hard on this like come on isn't really cinema's only points and films have been stylized what are we doing why are you so defensive must have fared the audience stylized in a guy wearing a romper but well over a century there's another one of the videos running trends though the guy complaining about something not being explained when there's a scene spelling it out oh no oh no the hot sauce here we go let's really hear this out the guy complaining about something not being explained when there's a scene spelling it out or about something not being included in the film when it just is this happens a lot the drinker takes issue with Miles Bronn's lack of concern at the uninvited Benoit Blanc turning up and is not being kicked off immediately by Miles you might think that an uninvited guest of party like this would be a cause for concern and that Miles would probably ask him to leave I don't know if there's more to drink his complaint but all I'd have to say for criticism is you should probably include he's the world's most famous detective, private investigator and you've invited him to a fun party where you've made a murder mystery he's gonna ruin it also he's the murderer you don't know him so we're at the point earlier in the movie where that's not known I'm guessing he's both before and after we have significantly good motivations to get him the fuck off the island exactly correct so yeah if anything I don't know if that was drinkers format though if he was going with the before after the reveal just that we actually have a whole scene explaining why this is in very simple terms Blanc suggests my mouse is acting up another guest reset their box and invited the world famous detective as well a little joke to spice up the mystery someone reset the box they sent it to you as a gag Miles is doing a murder mystery let's invite Benoit freaking as we will go on to see Miles isn't that smart so he it's cause he's dumb so it's okay literally anything is excusable I think I need a new mouse unfortunately but yeah so okay I mean to be clear his reason is a dumb reasonable drinker is aware of the movies reason for why he allows him to say it's just a stupid reason this is why drinker needs to embrace the long actually my mouse fucked god damn grab another one I can't right now ran out of clicks I'm gonna do a counter but he's dumb but he's dumb counter you have a piano play a note play a note ooh you should make it C sharp because it's a detective film is that a dolphin look all right most of the notes don't get through only a couple of squawks so again this is why you need to be a long man so drinker has already absorbed this information and he is criticizing it the critique is Miles with how he's characterised should be invested definitively in getting this guy off the island immediately just because the scene has Miles say man this will spice things up that doesn't make any sense and that's the point the film said it made sense though this answer is dumb but it was answered this is lame I'm sorry you don't have complete and total lack of actual engagement with the information you're being presented is it naivety that anything a film tells you is de facto accurate and good and logical if anyone needs a reminder Miles has recently killed a person that person has now shown up at this place and the world's most famous detective is with them you know that someone here has brought him and you immediately believe it's for funsies and it will be fun to have him here for the murder mystery and you see the reason he thinks that instead of what everyone else in the fucking world would think is because he's dumb he's smart enough to get to this point in his life but I don't know how stupid a person has to I don't know what I'm trying to say I don't believe it a stupid person can still have self-preservation in fact you might even go as far as saying they will overcompensate self-preservation of a stupid person might do that it's such an uninteresting way of framing it it's just not fun he's dumb and he doesn't even ask who did it as a gag he doesn't say oh funny joke guys who did it which is like show me your invitation but then also by the way it's just worth emphasizing Miles is selectively smart and stupid he was smart enough to cut what's the name out of the company he killed her when as soon as he felt like he was threatened he destroyed the the pad like the napkin as soon as he realized he needed to destroy it because he didn't do it earlier it's really weird how much of his sleight of hand is like a thing that he has in the throughout the movie oh yeah the fact that he's like very good at like stealing stuff and the fact that he formulated that quick plan of killing what's his name Dave Batista what's the fucking murder that he almost got away with in a split second right because he had a lighting thing that was set to go off anyway and he used that as an excuse to go out no he stole that from Benoit so there you go oh you know what stealing off the cuff like that it's pretty smart by the way you could argue yeah well it didn't work out did it it's like no it did he's gotten away with those murders that's the point in the end is they can't prove anything he actually did get away with them they had to frame him for a different crime oh yeah i fucking hate that you would use this as like haha you missed this in the movie it's like no this is the complaint this is the whole point of this entire scene he accepts this explanation and as we can see as we will go on to see i think is what he said what's he about to say here rolling back let's invite Benoit freaking Mark as we will go on to see Miles isn't that smart so he accepts this explanation enthusiastically is that actually what we're meant to read into that scene that he actually genuinely accepted that explanation is that like the explanation he made for himself it's so stupid but that's all they're gonna say back to you is yeah he is stupid haha okay how this film gets away with everything it's the ultimate get out of jail free card just say that the character is stupid that's the point and you can have them do anything you need them to do and it's totally fine because as you know people will call you a genius or anything it's just a storm that's smart so he accepts this explanation enthusiastically see he's got no way of knowing blonks here to try and suss him out he's a fucking detective he's the world's most famous detective and he doesn't recognize his own very easy assumption to make oh my god he recognizes him because he's a world famous detective why do you think he's here with the person that you thought you killed well yeah whatever he's meant to think of that whether it's actually her risen from the dead or a sister if you knew about her like it's I don't understand like I just feel like if we had murdered her together like all of us and then we had this party with several other people and then a detective comes up with the fucking person we killed I would be like guys we need any and all reasons to get the fuck away from this right now they obviously here to collect information they're gonna try and prove something that we gotta get about it here can we use any reason to get rid of this detective it's like yeah he wasn't invited bye bye bye bye especially with how apologetic Blanc is when he learns this he's not even anyone's like you know guest he just turns up so and you're right he almost implies that he should leave himself this explanation enthusiastically see he's got no way of knowing Blanc's here to try and suss him out that he knows about Andy's death it's a possibility but a miles it's a possibility so whatever it's a possibility well it's logically possible so fuck it that's amazing I just don't give this level of charity to any kind of storytelling just where you just go fuck it that's smart B is already thrown off by the seeming attendance of a ghost which was of course the plan and C he was thrown off by the ghost and that would make him less defensive okay sure yeah he was thrown off by the ghost the thing that makes me really think about this is like wait what do you think he thinks in that moment that she is a ghost or a zombie or what what do you think what does she think he could be here to try and prove I murdered her but there's a chance he doesn't so whatever yeah it's just a prank bro amazing since there's at least a possibility Blanc knows nothing here it is there's a possibility that he knows nothing oh my god this is the opposite of Batman this video is insane I feel like he's just agreed with Drinker without realizing it Drinker's whole highlight is like so he could be here to prove you murdered someone get the fuck rid of him but his response is yeah but it's only a possibility he even worded it worse he said it's a possibility he knows nothing almost implying that by default he would awww that's a good point actually just sensible not to act we bar him entry now that he's here because this is Benoit Blanc he'd probably figure out that something here was off the drinker then can I'm sorry what was happening I need to heal all that again yeah I'm confused there's at least a possibility Blanc knows nothing here it is just sensible not to act weird bar him entry now that he's here it's not weird to kick him out it's not weird Blanc is embarrassed to be there because essentially he's that's what he puts on so he would expect to have to leave what you do is you go man I'm so sorry this happened someone's played a fucking joke on you that's unacceptable I'll try and find out who did it and you know yeah I'll find out who did it I'll pay you for your time you know we'll get you a ride back I'm super rich so while you're here in Greece have a nice you know a couple days vacation here in Greece there's a personal thing I'll pay it's all good just chill and he has a nice lovely Grecian vacation and then along came Zeus because he would be like this party is kind of tailor-made for all of these people not you in fact I don't have a room ready for you with a key ready because I didn't expect an additional person so I don't know how you have I don't even know what chakra you are what chakra did he have I don't know I just don't say it but they have an extra band for some reason well yeah he's got given a band and a key and a ring every main chakras people come on to the island is it 5? 6? I think it's 6 I think it's including a but are they in the same rooms as they're they're important person so to speak personally work for well either way I just think it's funny that Ethan Hawke turns up and gives everybody their keys and just gives out one to Benoit Blanc when it's like there's a person here that shouldn't be here but whatever fine that is interesting why would he do that because why not okay well fair enough that's a good point Mahler they wouldn't have a list like oh so we got Duke is coming I recognize that guy and it's like apparently he's bringing a plus one whiskey there she is and then Benoit Blanc is there who by the way is recognized by everyone ever so they just be like what the fuck and then of course he would ring Miles that makes him by the way Benoit Blanc is here you know what I mean like none of this shit that's supposed to happen happens because we gotta have a movie yeah well maybe what if they didn't have enough of these I don't know anti-COVID protection shots they'll call for me to die oh no that's a twist here because this is Benoit Blanc he'd probably figure out that something here was off the drinker there that closing argument that if you try and boot him off the island he might just figure out something is up it's like well the whole problem is that we believe he thinks something is up we believe he is here because he knows something is up why do you think he's here that's why you kick him off he's got nothing you can do then how does he yeah exactly how do you get access to especially with the stupid crystal glass bridge or whatever I just I can't believe it it's like you better not kick him off the island otherwise you might realize you did something okay well I mean it's almost like you should let the police into your house without a warrant or else they might get suspicious and think you're up to something you got nothing to hide do ya that's weird how the lefties take these crazy authoritarian positions boot him off the fucking island he's got no place here Ben complains about the fact that in this world there exists a famous detective the world's richest man turns out to be a complete fanboy because I guess in this bizarro alternate world amateur detectives are like celebrities or something I don't fucking know you're right there buddy you don't fucking know this I'm so smart so what was the criticism I wanna ask you so what was drinker's criticism there if it even really was what was drinker saying I guess in this world amateur detectives are world famous I don't know carry on he's describing the movie you could even go as far as saying the what drinker just said is impossible to disagree with he described what's happening in the film's world but if you want to say that the point he's making is it makes no sense that amateur detectives are celebrities I think I agree with him and then you might develop it into he's not an amateur detective and I'd be like no he is we're shown that he is we're told he's something else but we're shown that he's terrible in both movies and I keep hearing that one should show and not tell so I gotta go by what I've shown I respect fucking storytelling I'm not gonna go by what a character tells me is the case I'm gonna go by what I see of course especially in a movie like this and yeah we got a whole other movie where he's a fucking moron throughout it so I don't it is weird that he's so famous when he's so bad at his job he's like Cluzo but I don't know if they know that PingPanth is a comedy film and indeed the previous film both make it very clear that Blanc isn't an amateur he's a high proof he's not I think there's so many references I could give but I think one of the ones is like I'm investigating a murder I spot blood on the maid's shoe and I don't say anything actually I just conclude she's great and I won't even do anything about it then I find out that she cannot lie and all I ask her is like hey is there a motivation for everybody in this household to kill Harlan pretty much and she like gets through a couple of them and then he doesn't even get through all of them the only person who has the balls to use her power against her well her curse against her is the villain he just says tell me exactly what happened with Harlan that you know because you can't lie so it's so fucking stupid that and all of the investigators know that's something that she has as a limitation you're all amateur you're all stupid as fuck there's no way anyone could make this mistake honestly if you're in the room you just be like hey I don't care else things you can't lie do you have anything do you know anything about how Harlan died and she would just stare at me like you motherfucker I would like to have a lawyer now please to think that detectors are like super popular known by everyone because I would allow it any I'd allow it if they're really good I'd allow it if they're really really really good yeah I would allow it but you know in glass onion when the the last person he suspects his miles even though he's the only one with motive yeah I don't think he's actually all that bright no no no you don't understand it was so stupid it was below him no he can't solve simple things oh he must be a great detective no but no that's because he's so smart you don't get it glass onion he's a stupid very smart have you even heard the Beatles song do you even listen to Jesus are you cultured them Ben wobble on wobble yeah I also so look at this is part of drinkers point everyone recognizes him and they probably shouldn't the fact that they do is even I know he's recognized the worst it gets look at his he's like he's completely his hats completely over his face he's got the masks like how do you even tell who he is yeah true because he's Daniel we saw the opposite of this in a movie we watched recently we watched a movie where a guy has a mask that covers everything except for like his chin area and he sits next to someone and covers up the guy's face except for the chin and then he recognizes him which was kind of funny it was funny it was actually I think the funny thing in the movie I was about to say that might be the best part of the film I think that's actually the only part of that film that was good Ben wobble the detective did you solve the murder of actually hang on I just want to go back and say look at this man I recognize those pants anywhere one of his brands is not wears very silly outfits and so anyone who wears that silly outfit oh that must be him I never realized how funny this is like if you saw this guy you'd be like oh obviously Ben won't blog in this he's wearing an ascot so that's gotta be him there's only like three people who wear ascots it's gotta be him did you solve the murder of oh what's your name Fred would actually solve mysteries properly unrealistic for some reason but that's not really the film's problem yeah well it's not drink his problem with your problem either all he said was that he guesses that's the case and moved on yeah that's all it was that's a strange thing to say unrealistic for some reason the reason that something's unrealistic literally the only reason that something isn't realistic is that it doesn't match up to the real world that's what realistic means so it's strange to say it's not realistic for some reason when there can only be one reason why something is unrealistic okay so before we continue his last point that he thoroughly debunked and destroyed about the fact that Miles doesn't have a good reason to let him stay on the island are these all supposed to be lies he doesn't believe that drinker was aware of the scene that explained how Miles is okay with Benoit being there but he lied about it so this is the thing that's really funny it's like he believes the drinker believes he can get away with this the drinker's like I'm going to ignore all of I'm just gonna misrepresent the whole movie and no one will know like oh drinker someone might watch it though he's like oh fuck I don't think any one of my millions of subscribers is gonna make a joke of my video I'm just gonna lie this is the thing if we were watching drinker's video and we disagreed with all of his references if you remember famously I think it was the Ralph the movie maker joke of video all of us were holding out whoa what was that I sneezed did you try and hold it in I tried to stop it it didn't work okay like a tidal wave I hope your microphone isn't covered in goo yeah we tried to recreate a scene from osmosis jones I'm contagious you indeed I believe if you watch the coverage of Ralph we make this video we like one by one go from saying he's obviously mistaken to oh fuck I think he lied because I can't remember what the reference was but there was one that happened I think Jay was the holdout and then eventually something happened which I was like oh shit yeah I think he lied fuck does anyone in chat remember what it was I feel like I had something to do with Alfred I know what you're talking about but I can't remember the specific because I think it was like a literal visual that he'd already used and that he'd said didn't exist and it was like in your editing what do you mean he referenced a visual oh strangling Alfred yeah he was said like they overreacted and it was like you've got footage of him strangling Alfred how you what the fuck good times what I'm trying to say is that it is rare for me to believe that you are lying about the film as opposed to just making a mistake that fact unrealistic for some reason but that's not really the films problem because when we're thinking about suspension of disbelief in any story the objective isn't realism it's very continuous just saying the word suspension of disbelief is like do you believe a person could actually be this stupid he does I guess he does I guess he's totally trying that this kind of a degree of doing a stupid action it's this stupid simultaneous with everything we know and remember like a brand of stupidity is the thing but not like a convenience stupid where it's just every time I need them to do something that will cost them I'll just say they're stupid about suspension of disbelief in any story the objective isn't realism it's very similitude basically have you cracked saying that yet y'all you see it's not realism it's all realism it's it's reliant on realism here's the thing if you're going for very similitude in a story that's grounded in realistic then you are going for realism it's just sometimes you're not going for realism well just I guess suppose just so we're all kind of on the same page maybe he'll I don't know this sounds like the video where he won't explain what verisimilitude is what is verisimilitude you know what actually explain it oh should we go for a google I just googled it and it's the appearance of being true or real yeah yeah it's it's trying to appear real that's what it is which is essentially which is extremely close to realism in terms of a movie presenting something to you as an audience member so what a what a movie that's not going for realism like a surreal movie or something that's very heightened like would you describe the successful execution of that as verisimilitude I'm not I don't know if you would I don't think so it would probably tie to realism in certain ways just so that you can comprehend what's happening but now probably not surrealism is in particular surrealism generally is you know defies realism or it tries to get away from it so but we ain't this ain't no surreal film as an ER enjoyer I remember you bringing it up in one of your videos what was the takeaway what was it about or verisimilitude yeah was it stars was it someone else yeah yeah I forget what point I was trying to make with when I said the word all I remember is that I couldn't fucking say it it took me like 30 fucking tries well alright let's see how he contextualizes it problem because when we're thinking about suspension of disbelief in any story the objective isn't realism it's verisimilitude basically does an event contradict or conflict with the established rules of the world if so generally that's bad this doesn't though this film had already set out the fact that Blanc is very famous for his sleuthing and had already given us the first bunch of hints that Miles isn't the smartest cookie around why are we spending so much time on this because the amount of time that he devotes to any point is directly proportional to how many dunk points he can get on critical drinker regardless of the impact of it actually being a criticism or being in the movie we're at eight minutes it doesn't feel like he's addressed much of drinker stuff yeah this is not what we'd call an information packed video have we seen like maybe one clip from his video well we've seen drinker talk for grand total about 10 seconds I think and so far it's been fine and the amount we see drinker talk is also directly proportional to the amount of dunking possible that's a good point someone you know that's a really good point alright hints that will only become more and more explicit as the film goes on the rules of the film this all checks out drinky then takes issue with the fact because the film says it does it says it checks out so it does he could be simultaneously this capable in conniving and clever and also simultaneously this mind numbingly stupid and it's fine because the film just shows it happening so it's fine it's all good it almost makes you think like is it even worth seeing the rest of this thing he's just gonna keep pulling that card isn't he Miles criticism he's gonna be like everybody's stupid it's stupid though except when he isn't except those parts except those parts but that's fine it all checks out drinky then takes issue with the fact Miles sent a box to Andy at all he naturally isn't on very good terms with him now kinda makes you wonder why he'd invite her in the first place doesn't it hmm yes it is odd that Miles invited Andy I wonder if the film will ever develop on this mystery perhaps I don't know it'll turn out that Miles actually killed Andy and if that was the case maybe we could use our brains and realise that the invitation was sent anyway to put the authorities off his scent so we had a big discussion over this we did we had quite a big discussion I'm sure it's true at that point and I think that both are definitely reasonable positions to take whether he sends it maybe send it both of them have points in their favour maybe I can step off my little fence of not deciding whether or not I think one or the other and finally say I think if they want to leave it up to the interpretation that they should have like the state of their relationship post the courtroom scene is what the investigator would have presumably because it's probably going to be public at least to some degree and that if you're the investigator right then you find out Miles has made several attempts publicly to you know reformat and re-bind their relationship and he's even said you know sorry it came to this then I believe the invitation makes sense however if there's like nothing if they've said nothing to each other since then and there's been no interactions publicly I think it is a little bit suspicious that he sends the invite it's good funny that's all we can assume it's like you can talk about both sides each side has merits in its defense no rags if you believe one of these sides you're a liar we really have to have that in a video oh okay well I guess also that Miles is so stupid that he lets Blanc stay there to like potentially especially when it's a real possibility that he's come to investigate him and it has something to do with the ghost but he's also clever enough to concoct a plan to essentially manipulate people into believing that he's still on good terms with her what is it is he smarter or is he stupid that's a really good point oh they know we know what they're picking stupid all the way home all the way to the bank otherwise the argument breaks apart no meme this meme is really awkward as well cause of course Drunken knows he watched the film so was it I thought Efeb took a day off that was the plan that was the plan in this video yeah justice never sleeps I was already ready I was gonna stream late or something and it's like man all this bad video it made it look like an olive branch that tragically came a little too late gee that'd just be swell also side note what's up with the color palette here half of these clips are just insanely desaturated but I guess it's a pretty solid visual reflection of the utter lack of mental effort that's been put into this video okay well if I had a piano so this is just a obviously he's just getting for a dunk but like all I would have said is like it is weird why is this like faded out he must have applied a filter or something I don't know or the footage he got was just desaturated there was trying to get around a copyright that could also be it well the other thing too is like running on different media players the color was different VLC it was colorful and in media player classic it was all set like crap like this so I'm thinking like whatever like decoder he had like did this so I don't know this is the kind of bitterness I would expect after many bad points from drinker so early on fucking idiot can't even edit properly moron did you find it so far? I haven't got anything to complain about yet most you could say is that he could have explained better but that's really about it what's up with the color palette here half of these clips are just insanely desaturated but I guess it's a pretty solid visual reflection of the utter lack of mental effort that's been put into this video what next? there's a fun little Ben why don't they make crime illegal Shapiro-esque moment where the drinker just displays this abject fury the idea that glass onion could deign to eschew the standard murder mystery formula alright that's a big claim let's see if it's correct because I actually personally I don't even think that's a bad start to criticism of the if you said this kind of fucks with the genre I'd be like alright it depends on how you qualify that and I might agree I might also not if someone you know you could say about Predator Predator sucks because I was expecting the macho men to just annihilate all their enemies but they actually get killed but it's really good though so if someone said like yeah but knives out is bad because I don't like being told who the killer is and then trying to be on their side I'd be like no that's but let's see what what a drinker justifies it as the movie does something that absolutely pisses me off because it's so completely out of left field and ridiculous that it absolutely ruins your investment in anything that's happening but it turns out that Andy is in fact her identical twin sister Helen no way I'm not gonna get deep into that hit my first clip wait but that clip there was nothing to do with what he just said though true sounds to me the drinker was just complaining about the insanity that that contrivance yeah yeah he wasn't like bam twist he's like I hate this but hey we'll let him continue I'm still waiting for the substance I just fucking get annoyed when every couple of sentences I'm not getting a bother to go into detail into this how did you make a 30 minute video what happens you see Mel he was very invested in deconstructing drinker's fashion opinion but he's not invested in this portion for some reason identical twin sister Helen no way I'm not gonna get deep into that hit my first glass onion video which I'll link in the corner now is largely about this but TLDR taking variation on genre conventions as aberration he didn't even say anything about the genre he just said it was dumb what happened yeah what the fuck fuck he just said creation is not good criticism for more yeah watch that video there's some more light winged what was that as a response did I miss something did I miss a thing there it feels like a two minute chunk of the video was just removed accidentally where the explanation was located he didn't say anything about the genre he said this was stupid and it ruined my investment in the story I guess it's like if I said it's so dumb the Luke fights a fucking giant monster in return of the Jedi and I think the monster looks dumb then someone responds like clearly you're not familiar with the genre I guess is that the idea that he's like you only dislike this because you think that this or I guess it's the reverse like you're not familiar with genre bending or breaking God man you need to really fix up your script on that one it's hard to follow what the fuck you're even responding to there's some more light winging about coincidences winging again winging he's winging this is a light you gotta go back there's some more light winging about coincidences wow lucky she happened to have a twin sister and that she left behind a detailed journal of her entire experiences up to this point so that Helen would know everything she needs to blend in with her friend group but again these aren't coincidences that unravel the mystery they're coincidences that set it up that set up the mystery the setup is her being murdered it's um it's Ryan creating himself a little premise and then understanding there's a lot of drawbacks to this premise that make it difficult to even occur and then he just starts adding in all of these little form like matchsticks to hold up the whole thing like oh you know you're not gonna be able to have a twin sister like absorb and represent the personality of the other twin sister if they've been separated for this long and have like complete different lives it's like yeah but she has a journal that has everything in it like oh Ryan that's not only is that really stupid but he's got like days to read it too and like what are you suggesting she's been writing like a whole life and so she's absorbed the whole personality what the fuck I'm just gonna say Baba would be really really upset with this it's um it is a major contrivance that is meant to heal the wound of having created such a dumb premise and he does it more than once cause that's what Ryan be doing able of this story to begin to get going plus some of them aren't coincidences they're just things that happen that's what a coincidence is they're just things that happen they're not coincidences they're just things that happen that is what a coincidence is it don't happen you're right oh that's a coincidence that's one for that's one for Gaddel They're not coincidences. They're just things that happen people have already been saying like we're good Alvis like good Alvis Not happening anymore, but these would be great quotes for good Al. Coincidences are just things that happen. Oh No, that's the truth. Sorry The what he said is they're not coincidence is they are things that happen mystery that coincidences that set it up that Enabled their story to begin to get going plus some of them aren't coincidences. They're just things that happen Yeah, you got it immediately turned away from the island when he tried to black his way in What do you know this is he wants to talk to him, but then he keeps him that this is not what we could just said happened Trigger said he should have booed him Should have obviously Everything goes off the rails the whole film can't happen Yeah, and what's so weird about this is he's like Bronn tries to get rid of Blanc it's like no he takes him in and Blanc says this is so embarrassing This is a this is fuck up and then Bronn is like no no no no. No, it's okay. You can say yeah Like yeah, it's yeah, Blanc doesn't really do much of a job of convincing you know stay there Bronn convinces himself. Let's feel a little bit spicy. I might go as far as saying first of all You're not taking drinkers point for what it is. And secondly, you know, you're not representing the movie properly, my dude You know someone with even worse faith criticism might say that he was Lying hmm I suppose we wouldn't do that but someone we wouldn't do that of course We wouldn't do we would never assume that of course But someone might say that it would be a thing that just happens shall we say? Someone reset the box. They sent it to you as a gag I've got the pre-definite detective in the world at my murder mystery party. That is that is a great reason to not have you here Yeah Yeah, I'm sure glad I didn't kill anyone just a couple of days ago or something Weeks and he showed up with a specter of the woman that he'd get out so that would be I'm gonna be wild. Geez. Good thing. I'm so dumb. All of this is totally fine. Yeah Or that the killer didn't immediately try to take Helen out when he saw that the woman he apparently already killed was now alive And well, he does try this we see no drinks that immediately immediately This is quite a while later See what I mean like why can't we just be like why you lyin why you lyin bro I'm lyin Yeah, it just isn't instant because there's a bunch of other people there and oh wow literally right on the beach is what yeah It's what drinker meant is right there on the beach. Let's do it guys It's time to explain temporal linearity Can such a thing be done can such knowledge be learned is that like verisimilitude or is that some do We if you you need to have enjoyed the paintings of good shots will get stony of of the late 16th period You need to see that about Neo renaissance Atissivism. Yeah, that was I want you studied the article by Gertrude lay let on lead a new year. Oh, don't forget the late musings of Brian Yes, Brian, Brian's musings one of my favorite works of literature So yeah, if you can all chat if you can all get that and we'll come back to this, okay? So also you I recall ruminating in my childhood those Halcyon days where I would Read these dusty old tomes of philosophers pass. I just like my knowledge of film the gap between like I would just read Wow, there's so much to gain from your knowledge. Anyway. Yeah, so what drinker is saying I didn't think this would be hard to pick up Is that Miles knows he attempted murdered this person and they are here. That's very bad. She is a source to destroy him in his whole life So we're on a private island and he we've been shown he's willing to kill her that happens in the movie So why not have taken a way better chance like to pull her aside and be like I need to talk to you It's very important, but which by the way, she doesn't even suspect It's him at that point there are there are so many different times He could have tried this where she was on her own She was even drunk at one point you could probably Manipulate her to get into a particular position, but no he waits until you're so fucking funny as he says wow drinker moron Why would he kill her in front of someone else? It's like that's what he does If he's supposed to be so stupid why didn't he do that exactly you're saying like he got smart all of a sudden and then Pulled one of them aside. He's just pull them both aside and kill them both, but I guess that's just not Not the right kind of stupid. Oh, yeah, that's not purposeful stupidity. Yeah movie would be over But yeah, when drinker says why didn't he immediately try to kill her or get rid of her He doesn't mean literally strangle her in front of all of these people. That's not what he means That seems a little bad. Well, I mean this is getting a little boring and stupid Like we'll just take what drinker says and make the worst assumption from it and the worst way possible And yeah, and then we will it'll be great for anybody who hates drinker because they'll just be like Oh god, I can't believe drinker is so stupid by the way. There is a top comment on this video I saw it mentioned on the subreddit and I was like no fucking way someone says like does drinker not know that twins exist The top comment one of them, yeah Jesus Christ But it's the kind of shit we're just like oh guys come on. We need a better class of critic This is shit. Like you just got to make this shit up. You can't And miles probably doesn't want them to see him murder someone like god The recap team and right there on the beach a lot of drinker complaining about bad decisions miles makes When Andy found a crucial piece of evidence and threatened to reveal it to the world Miles killed her and hit the evidence away in his office instead of you know destroying it Not it's funny because again my criticism of drinkers like why don't you highlight the fact that it was insane to kill you Why do you kill you? Yeah Yeah Like what a what a crazy reaction, but you know what the answer is to that everybody Well, he's dumb Done Especially because what he does is he drugs her with sleeping pills And then sets it up like she uh, you know left the engine running in the garage He could have drugged her with sleeping pills Found the envelope and then yeah, because if you remember he found that envelope in that in that selection of time So yeah, he could have found it destroyed it He could eventually wake back up and he could be like what the fuck happened Or he could even make it so that there's water on the floor Whatever put it like hit her head into something while she's sleeping and then just be like, yeah, you slip How embarrassing He could even do that. Yeah, but like yeah, that she'll be like the envelope's fucking god. What the hell do you be like? I don't know man. That sounds unfortunate Anyway, I gotta go But no you had to he killed her It's like the fuck are you doing? It's like, yeah, but he's stupid um Anyway, uh, what drink brought up is still a good point though. He should have destroyed the evidence But why didn't he everyone instead of you know destroying it not seeming to realize that the inglorious Hubristic irony is precisely dead on in character. And after all that you is it is that just still kept? He didn't burn it or anything There you go. The movie said so It's okay because the movie said it's the movie is stupid. So it's fighting is good The vain glorious fool who kept the only thing that could destroy him because he's vain Uh Can you make the reverse argument a vain person would annihilate any chance of them being Exposed Well, we've kind of discussed this a little bit. We had the arrogance as a trait I feel like it's a trait that you could use to justify pretty much anything So if your motivation is being super prideful and everything then pretty much everything's on the table He burned it because he was so prideful. He wanted to get away with it all He wanted to be prideful to himself for something along those lines It's like whenever he does anything I just wanted this guy to be in the call and I can be like was that vain stupid or Well, no, it's always one of those two, right? And then he's you know, it's like he killed it was that vain and stupid He's like, yeah, it's like, okay, the sleight of hand stealer the gun. Was that vain and stupid? He's like What uh How is it how exactly is it vain or arrogant? Why would vain or arrogance motivate him to keep it? Because he's whole I think the argument the best version I can imagine is like he's so vain about having one He's holding on to the one thing that could destroy him and he's like, haha. I have it Instead of No one could beat me. Well, so think every time I think about it Stupid Stupid he this is reaction if he's right here. It's kind of like, well, you know, why didn't I do that? If you remember a lot of people will be like you see he steals his ideas And so he steals the idea to destroy it from Lionel saying right here Why didn't you just destroy it as if to imply it's not about vanity. He's just an idiot He didn't realize he's going to destroy it Actually, but he killed Andy So clearly he knows that this could ruin him and that you you know what I mean It doesn't make any sense. Why didn't he leave Andy alive through vanity? It's like no, he killed it through vanity and you're like, oh, okay Oh, you didn't you don't think it would be really vain for him to decide to leave a person alive So that they would exist knowing that he had defeated them like that's that's super fucking prideful But I guess he wasn't prideful that time. That was something else. That wasn't the pride And also how intelligent by looking by what we see on that napkin You've got to probably be pretty insanely smart to translate that into a gajillion dollar massive company What no, we went over that napkin We we had to actually censor some of it because it was such a good idea that anyone could start a multi-billion dollar company from Oh Okay, and obviously we're gonna do it. We don't want anyone else to Wait, you guys doing that? We weren't gonna tell you until we'd fixed it all up for you. Okay. I was at your home I didn't bust that door And there's a lot of just right there And then all of my Aussie's friends turn against him and they all celebrate at the end like this is some kind of epic win Conveniently ignoring the fact that they're all absolutely going to go to jail As I discussed in my last video the shitheads are only celebrating when it looks like Helen's just having a tantrum Symbolic destruction nothing. Why would they when it escalates? They try to stop Of course they try to stop her from destroying the moan of fucking lisa. Of course Anybody would just want to stop her. Yes. It's funny to see that he says that and they do but the way they showed them trying It's like, oh no, I cannot possibly get you even though I can But they ultimately side with her in the end. Exactly. She does that and let's be clear They're not just not siding with anyone. They side with her. They're gonna lie for her is what they say Yeah, they're gonna reveal that they perjured themselves. Yes Well to be fair, I don't believe that's how it would actually run out. I think eventually they'd come to their senses That's what the movie thinks. Yeah, the movie wants to tell us that's what they're gonna do It's like another one. So basically what drinker said is like 99% true other than wonky interpretations of what he's saying He's trying to say after all this bullshit. They are teaming up with her Which is insane After the moan of lisa burns, they're not happy. They're resigned bleakly accepting. Well, they nearly just died So it's probably fair that they're in yeah, they got blown up a little bit Yeah, I'd be a little bit upset if someone did that. Um, in fact the person who killed them is who they sign up with really weird Almost like it doesn't make any sense. This new status quo. So this is wrong Do they look happy here? They know they're boned critical drinker drinker say they're all happy I don't remember him saying that I don't remember. He said they celebrated or something like that When conveniently ignoring the fact they certainly were gleeful moments before And then they came out there and saw like Just in my assumption that when they were down at the stairs was Jesus Christ. We almost died And then all of my Aussie's friends turn against him and they all celebrate at the end Like this is some kind of epic when conveniently ignoring the fact that they're all absolutely going to go to jail As I discussed Yeah, you can definitely argue celebration doesn't necessarily they're like conjoined on their plan to destroy miles like a A conclusion to call it celebration might be hyperbole, but like damn dude, you're picking up on him for that Like yeah, well, I mean you could argue it's a celebration on the movie's part right that the movie thinks this is a win certainly, yeah Just in my loss. I just say the fucking thumbnail is so ugly Oh god, yeah Why destruction matters Isn't the title something like the one true disruptor like oh, she was the real disruptor the whole time I guess she was When no one would have wanted her to When conveniently ignoring the fact that they're all absolutely going to go to jail As I discussed in my last video the shitheads are only celebrating when it looks like Helen's just having a tantrum Symbolic destruction, nothing real when it escalates. They try to stop her after the Mona Lisa They're not happy. They're resigned bleakly accepting this new status quo So with the rest of humanity, yes, do they look happy here? Can you please address the most important substantive part of this that they've sided with her even though to do So would put them in jail and mean they have to lie again Yeah, that'd be nice. Please address that part of what he said. They know they're boned critical drinker then does They're not boned. They actually survived. It's incredible. And now the only thing that can stop them is their own reveal of their lie That's the only thing that's what perjury is essentially at that point. That's what he's referring to anyway when he says perjury So I guess we're not gonna talk about that part of what drinker said, okay A funny thing and tries to use this film's concepts against it against ryan johnson, you know, it's not hard Really not hard at all ryan johnson isn't anything approaching clever But maybe the theme is he's too stupid to not know Unanimously undermines my faith in humanity that a lot of people out there consider this film a smart well-made movie ryan johnson seems to have some kind of reality distortion field around him and his he's a bit of a glass onion, isn't he? Don't worry everyone is going to call each other glass onions as a result of this fucking movie and its discourse great So great. Yep. Let's just let's just keep it going. Why not everyone's a glass onion. Whoo And we're all inside a big glass onion It's work somehow convincing people that he's this crazy auteur genius The truth is that it's nothing but the flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing lying beneath It's a good Clever or something this is where I mean, this is where we're at It's like drinker watches this film and says everyone's calling it smart It's really not and then this guy's like everyone's forgetting you think you're smart You're not and then now it's our turn to go Well, you think you're smart and you're not and someone in the comments I should be like if I have things they're smart and they're not Our jokes and you are known i'm smart See, I didn't even say that sentence, right? That the dude's railing against obvious stupidity the facade of genius in the middle of this video's inaccuracy sandwich But just park this irony because we'll return to it later This general Also, I guess we're not going to talk about anything that drinker said, but okay. Yeah, don't worry about it Drinkers just ride on okay, wait drink on video I don't know if drinker is pretending that he's a genius by making this video You know, you don't need to claim that you're a genius just to point out how stupid this movie is So many people be like calls himself fucking critical like a critical thinker and it's like you're ignoring the part that says drinker Like the whole idea is that he's a fucking drunk dude being critical of things He presents himself as such like you don't need to pretend like look at this bad tried to come across as ridiculous sent out that bottle Critique keeps going he says glass onions ruined by all the tropes conveniences cliches and so on but he doesn't give examples Explain what he means. He gave some examples earlier. Remember, but it turns out that Andy is in fact her identical twin sister Helen But again, these are gothman's good coincidences. No, they're not Why leave You listed yeah, dude read paper again Don't smirch bob's good name. Yeah, he says a good She says a good one where you don't make it a coincidence anymore. Yes. She did so Um, I'm willing to the paragraph, but maybe in the article She says specifically unless you reveal that she had an identical twin the whole Maybe she says that I'm not sure. I'm sure he's not lying about precious bob's work He just stopped reading after the first sentence of a paragraph. He was like, that's it. I've got it Good stuff, bob. Just read it. Ha gotcha, bitch I agree Bob reading my dude. You can learn a lot by reading This so this is just more empty bluster then we get to I agree it is empty bluster But not from him Get your shoes off the couch you barbarian. No, I'm sorry ranks. That's the kind of potty. This is the whole room Damn You're going to other people's houses and put your shoes on the fucking couch Yo couch, they got a fire juggler and you're worried about the shoes My juggler's a charm. I believe the fire juggler is safe. They know what they're doing He can worry about two things at once. He's a pro. Yeah a professional fire juggler is one thing But some random asshole putting his shoes on the I get someone's got to clean that and it's going to leave marks and scuffs And that might not necessarily be something you can fix so getting your couch cushions reupholstered whatever that's time in money Any single one of these forced plot elements didn't happen exactly as they play out Then the whole story would have collapsed around it. Yep. The story would have fallen apart if the story beats didn't happen That's what he meant Definitely what drinker meant you aren't poisoned by bad faith Ugh, I have seen this one about my work so many times. They'll be like Mulla will say Based on the things that we have like well, what if this had happened? He'll literally be like oh if a different movie happened that the movie wouldn't have happened Yes, of course the movie happened the way it happened because of the things that you're like Wow, you you couldn't have missed what i'm saying like at all worse. It's just like holy fuck. You're just not listening at all This by the way is why I get confused when people say like this is a good video It's just like do you hear what drinker said? How the fuck did he pull that from what drinker said video If any single one of these forced plot elements didn't happen exactly as they play out Then the whole story would have collapsed around it The story would have fallen apart if the story beats didn't happen. I mean It's like it's like amazing good job The keyword is forced by the way. Yeah um Drinker is trying to tell you He believes the story would not run the way that it does based on what information we have You have to have the right to come down and push things That's not good Only push things but like a series of they had to be really stupid They had to be really stupid here as well. They had to be incredibly vain. This just happened They just happened to overhear this because she happened to be in the exact place at the right time You had to put that extra character in this scene in this other time we show it. Otherwise this wouldn't work Even though we showed you otherwise before To give you an idea it would be like Benoit sees the hot sauce as some of it enjoys it and then it's told he can have some and then he goes cool Sets it on the table and says i'll pick up a few of these before I leave Thank you And then ryan comes down from the heavens and picks up benoit's hand grabs the the hot sauce and puts it into his pocket And benoit's like what was it? What am I doing? Oh, oh, was that ryan? What are you doing? Stop you're gonna need this for later Just trust me bro It's dangerous to go Keep this bloated bottle in your pocket. Even when you change clothes. Keep it there too Even when you didn't seem to enjoy the hot sauce in the first place. Yeah, just keep it idiot Yeah, that that is true. This gives way to an anodyne avalanche of attempted nippings Anodyne avalanche Anodyne avalanche of attempted nippings. I don't know what that means I blame most people don't know what that means the virtually everybody listening to this video won't know what it means Hey throw back communication throw back to efab nine. I think that was a lot of what anodyne was used Man, you see the point of language is to communicate, you know your ideas to other people And I know it makes you sound smart to say stuff like anodyne, right? And verisimilitude or whatnot, but if the people who are watching your video don't know what these things mean then you're just You're not you know for a fucking fact the majority of people hear and say it they go I have no idea what that means and then they go I have no idea what it means. I agree I agree. Yes, that's very anonyne and people will say Wouldn't want to be understood One friend in the group goes what does it mean then they will go? Oh you fool get out You like you they say it'll let you see a typing they're like it's so funny. You don't know what that means Yeah, I'll explain it Just in the background. Hey google. What does anodyne mean? I think he just wanted to say that so he could have three a's. Oh, yeah, definitely. He was doing Tripling we're doing a smirk. Yeah. Yeah narrative tripling. Yes. That's another reference to efab died. Holy shit Stalgic, which have fairly obvious answers. Let's begin. Let's do it Like what if my old said refused to let howan and blonk on to his islands wouldn't oh the whole film ends Yeah, yeah, definitely film ends gg. Yeah film doesn't happen Helen's presence here with the world's most famous detective be a very obvious red flag Again, this is what I mean. Dricker is being nice to the film like I would go as far as saying like it is the red flag. It is the the biggest flag. It's waving so hard Not be a larger red flag I don't know that Like like she turns up with the world's greatest detective. I'd be like, hmm I wonder what this means. This could be cool. This must be fun's mouse is a fun thing And if he does in front of the rest everyone blonk included will definitely know something is rotten in this No, he's not allowed to be here. This is a private island. He shouldn't expect that he can just be here It's so funny. It's such an easy explanation. You say I didn't invite him Imagine some guy swims the distance between The the dog and the other dog and then just turns up and Miles is like, who are you? And he's like, I'm brian Here I am. I wrote some musings. You should check them out But You uh, so is it cool? I could join he goes. Hmm if I if I send him away that would look suspicious Yes, brian, you can you can join a whole party like what the fuck? Yeah, he did write the musings after all It's almost more suspicious to keep him there. It's like why Nobody would normally do this you it's something is this planned? I might even assume that if I was one of the guests like is this a part of some weird thing you're doing Is he here for a reason? I would be like, obviously it is though You're here for a murder mystery the world famous detective just shows up And he shouldn't be here, but he's being allowed to be here. Like obviously you're in cahoots obviously It's such an easy explanation to your friends to be like, I don't know why he's here Something went wrong, but I didn't invite him and this is a private island. I don't even think it's in drinkers video It might be but uh the obvious thing of like, all right, everyone turn in your invitations I want to know who doesn't have one And then when when Helen is like, I dropped mine We're like, so you brought in the detective, huh? That's pretty suspicious that she could be like I'm I'm dead He could even find a good justification for turning Fake andy away. He could be like, look, I didn't invite you. She could be like She could claim he did but you know, I mean he could make up an excuse good No, they would believe it because they're also stupid remember everyone's stupid Well in technicality, he did send her the invitation. So it's like, yeah, he did invite her but not blank at all I know but all I'm saying is he could he could turn her away here right now and make up an excuse for his Friends who are the disruptors and you know what? He doesn't even have to ask me for their invitation They could be like, why'd you invite her? Let's pretend they know and then he could be like, listen It's between me and andy. She knows why I don't want her here. I may have sent her the invitation That was a mistake, you know, like yeah, or rather it was it was something has happened between us We're not going to talk about it. Um, you know, it just implied there's something a lot more complicated because um You can you can you can tell these people anything. They're super stupid, right? Yeah, I guess I'm gonna do be like, uh-uh we're friends He literally takes the first possible opportunity to interrogate blonk because he keeps him What do you keep saying this for? Interrogating doesn't mean anything if he just lets him stay He convinces blonk to stay. Why are you changing what the film is? Blonk in that scene go watch the guys He is like, oh geez. Oh god. Oh damn. I should probably not be here. I guess Oh, oh, this is so embarrassing and then uh, miles like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no This is actually cool. This is cool Like I was cool. I was at an interrogation as opposed to him just being like, you know what you're here So be here Yeah, because I think the first time we watched this I was like, oh He's gonna keep here because it's kind of cool. He is here and then an actual murder is going to happen on this island Because of course the first time around you don't know that the murder already happened Like or another obviously the person who's letting him stay wouldn't be behind it because yeah, because obviously Very stupid. Oh, that's uncharactermed. That would be incomprehensibly stupid. That's the point. Sorry Ah damn it He's a red flag, but he doesn't figure out what's happening because he's not very clever. Why didn't use it though? He's not clever. So here's the thing we've gone far far beyond not very clever Like this is I don't think that a person could just We talked about before um, this is an embarrassing way to characterize stupidity. It's a lot You need you have to do it intelligently. You can't do it stupidly, which I think is kind of funny. Yeah They characters have weaknesses Characters have strengths the idea that you just know this character is just stupid. By the way, which is what? Birdie's character is she's just stupid I was watching red light media coverage and jay says like that is her character She is stupid and then he says like she talks to a lamp. She's just stupid And it's like it's not it's not even Even that I'm like that's not even stupid. That's just I don't know what that is Why is she talking to a lamp? You'll be delusional more than anything else. Yeah, it goes a bit further, doesn't it? He seems to think that actually if it was just police officers instead of benoit then everything would play out the same Because miles is just that stupid You know what I mean like if if fully uniformed police officers showed up that miles would still be like Oh, that's kind of a funny gag. Ha ha if that's If ryan had said in interviews benoit is a very stupid Investigator who stumbles across the right answer, but believes themselves to be very smart I think people would start recontextualizing these films to include that as well Could stop in like actually. Yeah, he is like You can just ryan can say anything no matter how nonsensical and they feel forced to defend the film My point is you can move everything around to always match that because how everything is so like just disconnected You're like, yeah, actually it does make sense. They tell you that throughout They when he says it's just dumb. He's referring to himself as well He's going to interrogate blonk because this is a red flag But he doesn't figure out what's happening because he's not very clever Why didn't news of the death of a high-profile tech prod did you reach the press sooner yet again? This is addressed No, he saw him up before that you fool four days. She's been dead That's good. That's before he says he's gonna pull strings Do this again if you made it a long video. He may have included that but drinker went shorter and now look what's happened It's funny because this is like we we all saw this scene. We all thought it was dumb as fuck including drinker like Because it is but the fact that she How does a popular celebrity person die for four days with no intention to hide that and it doesn't get out? How how is that possible? I guess you'd have to like find me real life examples of this happening because I just don't know if it happens They would have died in some like distant country on like some very specific and private thing They go missing on a trip and then we don't know they're they're a missing person far before they're You know declared dead or whatever. She was found dead in her house by authorities That's going out. Yes, that's public. Yeah Yep, and also how does Helen accidentally keep this a secret? Well, yeah, because that's exactly because the reason why I didn't get out is because she was like, oh, was I supposed to do something? If she didn't realize that there was somebody she needed which by the way, she would have told people like of course she would have She would have told her friends and family Which gets it public. Yeah But but the whole film can't happen because she she didn't realize there was anything she needed to do So she's just like there on the floor or something I I have no idea what I meant to make well Here's the thing we know she didn't just leave the body there because I guess she would there was autopsies and the police were aware So she had to turn it into the police and after four days the police never mentioned that this woman Was dead and there was no obituary. There was no statement. There was nothing. No family You know statement nothing like that, which is nonsense Yeah, no, you're totally right. But I the only small details I think the police found it first and then contacted her and then contacted her and then we have to believe They didn't announce it and then she didn't tell any loved ones Exactly. Yeah, yeah, which isn't she supposed to be like well connected and loved, right? Like isn't yeah, she surely would have told multiple people she is so Well connected and loved the Benoit Blanc almost mistakes this person for Andy. He's like, oh, I recognize. Yeah Yeah, you do kind of look like like people are aware of Andy brand, right? That's her name Cassandra brand This makes it all incredibly hard to believe and your whole story falls apart if this isn't Uh true and so what does he do he takes his point and says well Benoit said he's gonna pull some strings So completely ignore drinkers point The thing is, uh, maybe I should put some blame on drinker for not being again longer being like getting all of the references out It sucks. But like, yeah, you know I'm sure drinker would drink would have had the same reaction to be like, what do you mean? No, I'm talking about all the time that she's spent without anyone trying to pull any strings And then the guy I don't know what pillar of garbage would say to that Maybe you play the clip happen in the story. Maybe you play the clip where she says Oh, was I supposed to do something about that and it'd be like see that's explained And I guess at that point you'd just be like so is there ever a time when you watch a film and you're like, hmm Don't know about that or uh, it seems like a bit of a stretch or wait. Hold on. That's like that's absurd Is there never like a moment for that? If we could just be like Benoit is literally shot through the head his whole head explodes and then he gets back up and says I can shake it off. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah, I had to buck it in front of my face. It's fine Like well, that's what happens. So, you know, it's pretty chill. Yeah, it's fine. They showed us. It's all cool Hold a few strings. I could keep it from leaking. Hold a few strings Weak, maybe You can disbelieve a detective would have the pool to do this, but within the logic We're not we weren't even talking about that part of it, but yes, I do. I know I was like four days before the string pole. Come on. No, it's fine. We're about it This seems to be something I could believe this if the film gave a shit about trying to convince me Like Leblanc is trying to investigate the murder. He needs the murder to stay quiet for the investigation to proceed He's got this plan. He's got the twin He's got it at least if they had tried to believe he could do that I would potentially believe it. Sure. Like maybe he's got a lot of influence and pull with a Certain department or whatever. There are whole industries built on Reporters desperately knowing when any celebrity dies so they can report it Yeah, this is just not something that states quiet Um, but you know, like I said, he's not even addressed the point. He's just going for the later points. Oh, well This is explained the verisimilitude is not compromised. Yes, it is. This isn't what happens in reality This is completely contrary to reality Yeah, well, they're telling you that they didn't reality in this film. It's a different thing The reality of the film and the reality of our reality. I feel I mean Just saying it doesn't make it so I feel like I don't know how these people can be so simple minded and naive They're like children who just believe everything that they're told they just accept it their brains are off thinking camps discarded I think they're not going to be critical about anything. They're not going to actually engage in the content Yeah, I feel like the eat it up the gunshot example probably enough But another one would be like there's a steel door in front of us We can't cut through it and someone says don't worry. I have a scissors and they just cut through it and you're like What? The film says the scissors can cut through the door and then we're all like magical There are similitudes. Binds fiction scissors. You're like no regular scissors Okay Smart why didn't she anticipate the danger she was in when Miles suddenly showed up at her home Immediately after she's threatened to expose him to the worlds yet again. This is a drag Please Don't do it. Don't you fucking do it. Don't you do it Don't do it. Don't play the clip. No, don't do it He's addressed and he lets him in Of course, you didn't Oh, she was clever enough not to fear Miles You did it. You did it. You did it Uh Clever she's so clever. She died She's so clever She should help your mother. She let the person into her house Alone who has a reason to kill her and take her shit. That's how clever she is Come on But you know, she's so clever. She shot herself in the head so that no one else could murder her Oh, it's so bad. You just swallowed what ryan sent down your throat. God damn Come on man Actual fool It's such a desperate bit of writing, you know, he's smart you guys really Really This is addressed and he lets him in Hang on. I want to hear drinkers clip again. So I'm pretty sure it's implied because yeah, he even sarcastically says Oh super clever This is explained. Yeah, this is becoming like a how to consume a drink of video video for us What we're making right now and I didn't realize we needed to make that. I thought they were relatively straightforward But hey, there's some people out there who just he's too complex verisimilitude is not compromised If Andy was so smart, why didn't she anticipate the danger she was in when my it's a response to the clip that he plays But he plays the clip as if it's not it's actually is a response He's yeah, because there is the ants there's the explanation in the film The drinker's point is yeah, but like that's an unacceptable one. So like really, why did she do that? Making any sense. Yeah, I always suddenly showed up at her home immediately after she's threatened to expose him to the world Yet again, this is addressed and he lets him in Of course, she did miles himself Oh, she was clever enough not to fear miles She was clever enough not to fear miles the guinea pig was clever enough to not fear the The the tiger. I mean The sheep was Like the sheep was clever enough not to fear the wolf In the middle of a forest Ryan could just write this bullshit and these these people believe it Remember by the way, except it the context here is that she's discovered the napkin She sends an email to her four friends not miles. I'm gonna destroy him This is your chance to like, you know, make things right and then two hours later He turns up at your front door Like why the fuck would you let him in? Are you kidding? I would even consider calling the police the second you see him She'd let him in was because she was so clever that she wasn't afraid of him and that was her last mistake That's so bad. It might be like it's kind of my pick for like one of the most absurd moments in the movie Just for such a specific line that Brian totally wrote It's like You had a guy say it in an accent and kind of deliver it in a way that was sort of You know, like it's trying to be convincing And I would not want to disagree with the world famous detective Because that would make me a fool Look at the cinematography and the lighting. It's all like very crisp and like well made on that level So like it couldn't be that this is just nonsense It always feels like that's kind of the trick that the film plays right that it's that the manner in which is presented um Almost fools you into believing that it's uh that the script isn't absurd that it isn't gibberish I think any one of us I think anyone who's fooled by that particular line It's kind of inexcusable to me because the line is she was so clever I know I know but what i'm saying is okay, so it's she was so clever that she knew not to fear miles Yeah, why would you fear miles? But unfortunately she didn't see that miles was a threat My guess would be that who would try to incorporate into the whole glass onion thing She was so clever that she didn't realize that it was really straightforward that he's an asshole Who would do that? Is that like that? Is she's so clever? No, but I mean if if that was the goal That's not what is said what is said is she was so clever not to fear him when she should have feared him Leverness would be recognizing that he is taking a bullet doing her Yeah, this is a scene that you just if you fuck this up You are a horrible film critic I'm the problem is i'm just thinking about like um Because the whole thing with ben wire is like I figured out that really elaborate and complex mystery for the murder mystery But the glass onion thing like the central thing was too stupid for me to even entertain it Is that what it's meant to be here that like miles is so stupid That she didn't entertain the notion that he could be dangerous even though he shut her out of the company and took all of her stuff It's the point is it's incongruent and stupid It's just like i'm just trying to figure out why somebody would like think that it's coherent They need to defend it. I want to make someone like sit them down Actually defend this explain to me how this match defined cleverness How can this possibly be considered as clever? I want you to defend this writing Because you just bought it hook line and sinker And we're the ones who get accused all the time of not oh, we're just we're just describing the plot We're so surface level. We don't know about themes. We don't know about stories and how characters are really written We don't know about the art of filmmaking people say this horseshit all the time and then they just swallow this stuff Without any critical thinking A worthwhile thing to throw in because much of what seems to dominate the discussion around like Glass onion and shitting on people who don't like it seems to be the perception of like well You didn't understand it clearly like you didn't understand what it was going for you didn't understand its place in like the meta You know, I feel like it's like I got it All right Like it's meant to be a story Where you go into it because of the genre conventions of a who done it you expect something elaborate and complicated You expect that there's a mystery that you're gonna have to work hard to figure out and the film subvert your expectations because at its core It's actually really stupid Or maybe like the you know really simple right like that's you see it's a glass onion, right? You can see right through it if only you did that But you you refuse to do that that that's like one of the few things you know one of many things I think the film is trying to do I got it. I just don't think it's effective at all I like I just think it's not made well Like it seems like it can never be that like it's it's kind of the impression you get with this video I was like, what does it mean for a film to be poorly conceived? Like what does it mean what I think rags have said it a few times What is a bad glass onion look like like could you entertain the notion of what that would look like? I don't think you can because Because this whole thing is drinker says if she's so smart, why did she do this stupid thing? And he goes well the movie said she was so smart that she did the super thing so Yeah, like it provides you the answer and and and then the claim is like and it doesn't contradict anything. It's like well well Like I don't know does it or does it not like is it worth asking that question? Surely doesn't seem that he's capable of entertaining that it could be poorly executed because the movie gave an explanation Therefore it's a good explanation Right, but there's never a time in a film where the explanation is unsatisfactory. Yeah Um, I just thought as well a super chat saying the fax machines are analog And I'm like wait what because they run through like telephone lines and those are analog Well, so I just checked apparently fax machines can be analog. They can be digital. It just depends on what one you have I don't know what one he has but that is news to me. I thought they were digital okay Which is okay even If it runs through telephone lines, right like but as opposed to I don't know like fiber optics or something Fiber optics fax machine. Well, I guess that might exist Well, fair enough. I guess yeah for me. That's just I lack enough knowledge on the difference between analog and digital Thing is if he also gets emails on those fax machines Then they must be connected to the internet, right? Well, it almost feels like at that point it's a distinction without a difference, right? Like if you're ultimately getting the same like as opposed to a telegram, right? Well, maybe telegram is a type of electronic mail It might be categorized still as as the analog I'd have to look into it But fair enough the only reason why it interests me is like wait, so he He really does want it because it's analog It wasn't like a meme about how he's stupid or whatever. It's just like I didn't understand this How did he go with like a telegram or something or like a rotary phone? Do you think that you thought did because it's like an 80s thing like a fax machine feels like an 80s thing? And that was when you know computers were starting to become more I have nothing for why this is something Ryan shows other than he needed to facilitate him not having a phone Even though a fax machine is it's got a phone connected to it you know I don't understand why this decision was made. It's one of the things that we took a while on I was just like, I don't know why and it's like it facilitates You know a portion of the plot so I know so it's a meme right like that's the that's it It's a meme like look at how eccentric he is he uses fax machine machines instead of like more efficient Just like a computer. I guess Honestly, I think unique I think Ryan thinks fax machines aren't analog and that's the joke That's what the that's what the movie seems to be getting at to me I you know what maybe that's the real gloss onion It's an analog or digital or maybe don't think about it because it's it's the first I've seen of people bringing up that it is in fact analog So it seemed to sort of go for a while with a lot of people that it was digital, you know what I mean I Yeah, like I guess it's because of the fact that it's telephonic, right I do I don't know enough about all of it to say but I Uh, probably would google it a bit more before if I was like writing a breakdown of that particular More that's what you gotta do lean about Fax machines. That's the thing. I don't really know much about fax machines All I know is that that is fucking inefficient to have all of your private information be printed out of it every day On fax machines to several different locations that you don't have under your control when you're like High quality printing obviously fucking fax machine And it's like black or white not that that makes it Like it makes impossible to read data or anything. It's just that man. What a dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb How very very stupid and how very very convenient And that means yeah, the uh, if if everyone then has to if they want to send them anything they have to Print it and then fax it, right Well, I think that was it just recedes Oh, here's a thing. Fax machines They're like pretty exaquated Well, that's what I'm trying to say I think you can make it so that when someone sends you an email you can redirect it to a fax machine if you want to I'm pretty sure we have that For a while and work Fax is and has always been digital. The lines are analog, but it works like a dsl or cable You can use a modem to send digital over analog lines Right in the same way that you know, the internet would be considered digital when initially internet run through like telephone lines So wait, so which is it? Is it digital or is it analog? I'm I'm putting my hands up. I don't know. I'd have to go read about all of it. I'm very confused now. I don't know Threat the obvious threat until it was too late. The fact drinks a glass of onion Don't even it was obvious But she didn't see it because she was too smart Stop just That's obvious cannot be caught by anyone smart evidently No, except it does eventually right like benoit blanc figures it out Because he's a smart man kind of yeah Clever to not be able to tell that something is actually more simple than it seems on the surface. Is that cleverness? I do not well, but it's what we do audience We expect also the insane coincidence of her finding the napkin after Oh, god, but rags. She she destroyed a whole place so that a book had it fall out. It's like, oh And then she happened to look down and notice it instantly how incredible I think if my entire life depended on finding a napkin that might be in my house I'd probably check all of everything. That's what I would do. Yeah Mm-hmm. That's a thought especially if I remember the yeah, sometimes I shove napkins into random books I should probably check all the books She's too clever for that too clever Maybe if I destroy my house it will just appear as if by god By Ryan doesn't understand it is telling it's a distillation of the, you know, hold point the overestimation of my Oh, so you see yes, it is see he's that's his claim. It's all about gloss onion Yeah, but if you If you overestimate miles brawn and then it turns out that he's not what you expected How are you being clever? It's not well. Yeah, like what does it mean to be clever if it's ultimately your undoing? What's it even worth? I don't even Clever and stupid being thrown around so much at this point. I don't I don't even know what anyone's we're talking about anymore Really, it's like you mean I've always gotten the impression that clever indicates a level of like street smarts as well Like intelligent means that you you know your brain works super duper well, and you know a lot of things, but clever Yeah, you don't have to be smart to be clever necessarily Yes, I feel like clever is a very poor choice of words in this regard then We need to go up with something else. Maybe just spell it out a little more obviously If you want to make it that she didn't think miles was capable of such a thing You know fine, but then don't say that that's a point towards her being smart or clever Yeah, because Benoit Blanc is saying it is like ah, see that's like one of her that's a good quality. She had and it got a kill But I don't think I don't think it's meant to be like that good quality got her killed And it almost feels like that's not what he's saying. Well, he remembered just feel like clever as she was She underestimated, you know that sort of thing in the first knives out She's such a good nurse because she can tell the viscosity and that's what she gets I feel like a real good nurse with that bonus would have been like in a minute The liquids don't quite match the labels Yeah, something's up here. I need to be really careful. I need to see what's up I think someone's fucked with these and it's like holland. Give me a sec I'm gonna have to make sure about this and then if she realized one of your medicines was stolen as well That is the counter but um Whatever that's a different movie like him But when's he ever let the point get in the way of inane nitpicking before what if one of them? I don't know. You don't watch this channel. So yeah, I wouldn't know and you wouldn't know that's kind of a funny thing to say Yeah, where is he allowed that's like I thought you don't watch him out of principle Out of print. That's right. But in this case the principle of using your platform to stand up to drink is wrong take I'll break the group and asked Helen a personal question that she should have known the answer to but didn't Yeah, I'm pretty sure Andy didn't record every single thought and event in her journal They're avoiding talking to her. They feel very uncomfortable. They talk to her a few times You're showing us seeing where they're talking to To her Legit I I would actually like be like, you need to we watch the movie my man So we've got a whole weekend. I think is it like Friday, Saturday, Sunday or something? That's the plan and we've got um within the first few hours They are already talking to her directly about very personal and private matters, but I would uh push your attention to the scene where they're in beneath the glass onion and Claire says are we are we going to address the elephant in the room? Right specifically talking about how they all personally feel about Andy and their history with her So what drinker said is accurate and if they asked her about something she doesn't know about Then she'd be fucked Which come on Benoit has to know that's a real possibility. He can't be that and and he's got to know that She'll be confronted about all this reality is the idea that you could just like read a notebook and then understand a person Completely is absurd. Did she spend 24? Did she spend every waking hour of her life writing down every single thought that she had? This is not enough time in the day to be like alive and write down everything that you feel There's a matter of like generally has about two days, right? That's it Yeah, well, yeah She has like no time to get a complete understanding of the temperament of somebody that she hadn't seen for a long time That she wanted that these people are probably more familiar with who she is right now Then uh, then Helen is it's absurd. It's ridiculous And again just like man, you're just refusing to listen to drinker in any way shape or form You just can't let him be accurate about anything He's got to be wrong. He has to be wrong drinker can't be right. He has to be wrong Yeah, also how the fuck does Benoit know that she's doing a good job? He doesn't know he doesn't know her. Well, yeah, that's true It might be worthwhile to bring it up now something that is really frustrating about the twist of rc It wasn't and it was Helen is we have no point of reference for the way that Helen acts Like up until that point in the film as far as we are aware this, uh, sorry, Andy This is Andy like this. This is it. I don't know who Helen is People subconsciously refer to the act as being the baseline to compare it to because we went in thinking that was the real person Well, yeah, right like in another story, right? You might be given some clues that's you know, this is a different person because you have a baseline understanding of who they are But we're not provided that our only point of reference is Helen pretending to be Andy who resists our mentioning tear I know That's that's exactly you know what that's that's worthwhile to dive into because you never meet terror in 2018 But like you get all of these stories from the perspectives of characters whom you trust About who tear is like how he conducts himself and as soon as you meet him It's kind of like an anti climax. It's like, oh Like that's tear And then there's like little clues as well like the fact that he doesn't have the little uh mark above the the why Um, some of the things that he says that you call very sassy lines Yeah, the fact that he doesn't ever help in these situations. He just seems to be absent sometimes There's just ways that he guides situations to where when you look back on it It's like oh Whereas in this it's like how are you meant to look back on the way that she was acting and go? Oh, because she was Helen you have no baseline understanding of who Andy is To compare it to or like any clues that you could have picked up before that point to figure it out Yeah, just some like Like um when when the trace is like, you know, give me information about the giants and tears just like Oh, they were private three private people Right, it's like one, you know, I think the real tear would have a lot more to say about the giants than that The greatest ally, of course, he would have shit tons of information But odin doesn't have any information about the giants to say Yeah, and then it's even the thing like the scene when they see the the prophecy that odin hadn't seen And he walks through bumps a trace out of the way because he's so focused on that That's an example of You are given a lot of information that allows you to come to that conclusion beforehand Even though chances are you probably won't but some people may well have I don't know the who who really could could have watched this film and been like, uh, you know what? I don't think that's I don't think that's andy. I think that's her twin sister Don't know anything about it What reason would anybody have to believe that hence why where they were feeling It's like a mean you would would would make up in the beginning of games. Oh, it's just probably like twin sister or something Exactly, and then it happens to like What yeah, and then when your friend says that and then they go, I was right I would be the guy who's like you based on a bullshit. There's no way With her presence we see this it isn't a contrivance that no one grills her about her they do grill her they do If anything as far as we know the reason they grill her is because she's not acting like andy actually Yeah, they do say she's been weird the whole time and they they grill her on night one They were like basically just arrived. So yeah, yeah It's all right. If you don't remember the film, but you should probably rewatch it before you make your big video and drink her Biography and the court case was public. Blanc and hella knew this going in god damn, dude Wait, sorry, what? Do what so they knew that the court case was public But like what does that mean by way of just saying like her He's saying that they knew all of that happened Therefore there's not going to be many private or personal questions asked like no that doesn't make sense at all Yeah How would you even know if it was private then how would you know it was a question We have a blowout court case with friends of they were like friends at least of nine years It's like, yeah, there could be all kinds of huge conversations that'll happen Yeah Like andy remember what I did for you so many years ago with your bro Like who I just name a thing and then they're like, oh shit, uh, yeah Fortunately, she wrote about this in her channel. Oh fucking genius writing every time Yeah With her presence we see this it isn't a contrivence Comfortable with her presence might actually make it more likely that they confront her because they want to get rid of that discomfort Yeah, well, that's that's what he said explicitly. Are we going to address the elephant in the room? But I mean if we conveniently ignore that reference then I guess we can make this claim But I don't know maybe he actually did forget that Or he lied No My polar garbage And the court case was public blonkin hella knew this going in god damn, dude What if miles had security cameras installed in any of the houses? Good question. That is a really good. Yeah. Well cameras on analog, bitch Well, what if they were with their own little tapes in them, you know, like they're actually the old, you know Old timey film cameras. Yeah, he likes to hang around Or you just have you have a bunch of people sitting up in the corners of rooms constantly drawing pictures and writing down what is said Oh, yeah It's one frame every hour, you know, super effective miles doesn't look at those images He makes them fax them to him so that he can see It's the only way I keep them with old timey cameras and then they need to put them in like a red room to develop them Oh, that's a good question a tv screen showing serena williams analog like probably I don't think he's gonna go with the analog defense. I feel like he's gonna go with the oh, it's a private island defense That's my guess. All the more Cameras No, yeah, for sure. I just I don't think he would go with analog because there's no way nobody's running out electricity cameras on their private residents before Yeah, that would be madness. No one ever does that. And uh, he has uh, usually has 50 people working here How could they not be security? That makes no sense. Yep cameras. Does he just trust every single one of those people? Yes Yeah Hang on Hang on if I have my if I'm a super rich billionaire man And I have like a private island and there's probably people who hate me I wouldn't have even more security so I have my friends safe No, because he's dumb How does she see these two if not for a camera? Yeah, you know he has to be yeah the screen is not a camera The screen as we said It's very likely this is all recorded these sessions for proof of many things with health and safety all that stuff And thus they're on record fucking slew thing about the death of Her sister that's what they say in front of the camera death of your sister Picked up on the conversations between Blanc and Helen the film tells us this early on What kind of staff does it take to run a place like this normally like But you know look, I sent everyone home. Maybe there is a big security control room But Miles isn't sitting there monitoring the house. Uh, he doesn't so what he doesn't um Cameras are still doing their job unless you turn it off Again, look, we did it with we did it with time now it's time to explain how cameras can work Um, I don't know if you guys are familiar, but a lot of cameras will run Let's just say 24 hours a day and then when you check them up They say hey points of interest on the timeline here here here based on the sounds and movement that are abnormal Yeah, that's how uh like wildlife cameras and deer trail cameras and stuff work Is they only record when they sense motion and then so it's not just 98 percent nothing You can check the gym cameras and be like there was a point of interest That was very strange at this point all day. No one's using the fucking gym except There was these people that popped in and by the way, that was the exact same time that duke walked in to say something incriminating as well and they hid in front of the fax machine That can fool him Yeah, and then Miles just listens to them talking about how they're desperately trying to prove that His sister died. He'd be like wow Okay Simple as that, but of course no he would have to spool through like the whole camera system and be sitting on it every night That's how that works I can't I can't believe his defense is not trying to explain why he doesn't have cameras But that he does have cameras. He's just not looking at them if they're recording Then all this stuff like their lies are meaningless. Exactly You need an explanation for why that didn't happen too Might be a bit fucking sus If the guy who's invited you and your buds to his gaff sods off and watches the cameras all weekend, especially He doesn't need to watch them. They need to be recording and it breaks the movie Dude, i'm starting to wonder it's like, I don't know if you're familiar, but like it's becoming more and more popular There are there are apps and doorbell technology now that like you can just be on your phone And it'll be like hey movement and then you'll be like you check and this is a dog and you're like, oh Like it's it's so weird that you're like you'd have to spool through the whole thing You're like, oh, oh, he doesn't have a phone, you know He does have an iPad though Yeah, he does Actually, if you get home after and see that andy was dead the whole time wonder how that had helped miles alibi What if miles? I'm sorry. I need to do that again. I'm not sure Where They're monitoring the house and if you need an explanation for why that didn't happen too Might be a bit fucking sus if the guy who's invited you and your buds to his gaff sods off and watches the cameras all weekend Especially actually get him after and see that andy was dead the whole time wonder how that had helped miles alibi God So he's saying that if he was to go off and check the cameras Noticeably and nobody's around to see where he currently is then it will make him look even more sus once andy's death is revealed That's what we're not saying. He'll watch the cameras Okay But we yeah, we've already said like he doesn't want to analogue tape He can he can fucking view it while he's on his phone in front of all of them Oh, sorry. He doesn't have a phone. My bad. Uh, I guess he's gonna have to do it with this fax machine. You're right Yeah Yeah, exactly when he's going through all the security footage He has to print out every frame of the fax machine I'm fucking stupid Miles didn't have fax machines in all of his residencies where all of his emails and sensitive personal information got routed What sort of question is this miles fax system is perfectly in character. It seems perfectly in character Okay See he says he loves analogue. It's perfectly in character for him to have fax machines all over the place that spit out random information Because that's how proud he is. That's how vain glorious. He is. He just has all of his personal information Spread out because you know how proud people they just give all their information out everywhere all the time to everyone So we've entered the program is basically simping for the movie because I think if trinket's video had like There's this bizarre portion where they go into the basement and there's this circus happening Full of people do it all kinds of crazy juggling and fired eating There's a bunch of goo everywhere and the fire and just grenades going off like from little mimo I don't know what any of it means. It's so insane. What the fuck that the guy just goes, uh, that's perfectly in character Like why why is that a character weird if there wasn't a basement goo circus? Yeah In fact, you're the wrong one. You know, you're the weird guy for thinking a goo circus is unusual So how is he going to explain the fact that his fax machine just spit out all his sensitive information Everywhere they are not the fact that he just likes analog Because he's stupid. That's he's just he's gonna say it. He's gonna say it That's something you have to set up you have to go through a long process of setting up your system to where it does that Because that's not the default, right? He's gonna say it What sort of question is this miles fax system is perfectly in character. It seems quirky But it's just dumb and oh my god Actually Yeah Right, yeah That's your why do you find that satisfying? He's like, of course he makes sense. He's stupid like oh, what okay? Here's a question. How does he manage to run this massive company if he's that stupid? Yeah His ideas along the way with the power of fax in the world is stupid I would imagine that's a not logic The the best argument you would make is that he was surrounded by other more capable people who essentially like made all of the The decisions really like he was the one Well, truly good. Hold on. I want to be really specific because all his sensitive information of anyone trying to get in contact with him Is being spat out at every location. He has a fax machine. How do you run a giant tech business like that? I don't believe oh, yeah, right, of course like is it logistically even possible to do things this way No, especially when giant tech companies are full of you know trade secrets, you know, they don't want everything They're working on to get out constantly. Have you considered he's dumb though? Oh Yeah, I bet you didn't think of that I don't know how people think this is a great response to drinkers points When you have someone saying but it's dumb like how First of all, like it's just a bad argument But secondly, like this is shitting all over the movie. You don't even realize Unsensitive personal information got routed What sort of question is this? Miles facts It seems quirky idiosyncratic, but it's just dumb and more to the point It's equal parts imagining and hilarious that these nitpicks this critique has developed into the drinker just asking What if this thing that happened didn't happen? What if that's wild isn't it? The fact that a guy can have a system where he has all of these fax machines randomly spitting out anything Including all of his personal information all the time to just whoever stumbles across it. Maybe or maybe not That's just a that's just a nitpick Right. Oh, it's like a huge strange contrivance of a plot point. That's madness It's just a highlight the point that he seems to be it's like why you like all you're doing is just asking What if something different happened in the story? It's like so the point of that exercise is to highlight whether the connected tissue of the story is strong If like things play out in a radically or rather if the whole story comes to a full stop if like Somebody made a different choice or if the circumstance was a little bit different And how that's relevant to the decisions that the characters make What would the characters have done if it was a different scenario? Like what would the characters have done if an option that was available to them was taken away? And if it was like a dead end a complete dead end where they have like no options No capacity to do anything no choices at all. It's like well that seems a little bit Silly, doesn't it um seems like the connected tissue was a little bit weak Everyone does this when reviewing stuff I don't know why he's trying to break this format is a very simple one But if if you're watching a heist movie and they're like, all right, here's the plan We're gonna run out onto the street in the first car we see we're going to take it That's gonna be our our vehicle and you know, you could be like, okay It should Sounds like something should we figure out what the best vehicle is and the best driver and Do all this beforehand that seems like what if this goes wrong? What if there's like a whole family in there? What if what if like it's a bad car, you know Yeah, what if someone could be like what if what if what if what if well, that's not what happened It was the perfect car and driver and they got it and you know worked out and you're like, okay And then another part of their plan is well, we need weapons for this heist and they go There should be some in the trunk of the car. We steal it's like What do you mean? And it's like well, I mean hopefully like what what if there isn't And it's like that's not what happened stop saying what if you're like It's a commentary on the intelligence of the character's decisions basically Well, yeah, it's like I'm entering on the intelligence of the audience who accepts it and the right I do expect characters in a story to behave somewhat reasonably Exactly, you know to some degree right depending on how smart or stupid they are But you can't just keep going well, they're stupid or oh well, that's not happen It's like yeah, but do you understand like when you just stack these up over and over and over again of like man Lucky that happened man. Lucky that happened man real good for the characters that they made that choice Like it just starts to get difficult to buy into the story anymore Like your suspension of disbelief just evaporates We almost want to make the movie don't you where they bump it to the first car and it's the perfect getaway car And there's a guy in there who actually joins their team and says i'm up for this They open the trunk and there's all the perfect weapons You know like I feel like i'm describing like fucking a naked gun movie now not an actual Like a monty python sketch or something Yeah, and it would be funny and then you'd be like no, there are people who write like this Oh Also, I just I don't accept it all that miles is incapable of realizing when certain things are incriminating or dangerous for him. He does it constantly in the movie He understands that he should probably Either get rid of andy or make sure you know people don't find out about the napkin He understands that he he should Frame it put the idea in everyone's head that uh andy might have stolen his gun He understood he's self-interested and he does things You know in his own self-interest all the time in the movie So when it comes to setting up a fax machine that would just spit out any sensitive information to anyone in any building That happened to be there Like I don't believe he would do that. I don't believe that's in keeping with this character I don't think he's so stupid that he's incapable of understanding his own self-interest I agree on the fact that the incriminating fax is in every fax machine around the world and he hasn't cleaned that up It's just like yeah, okay I don't believe he's that stupid Not based on how he's been characterized Well, it's just weird. He seems to recognize what can incriminate him and what he can they didn't even think about that By the way that they should secure Any and all like I don't think I just mentioned that that's a piece of evidence the fact that You know, I will ruin him is something that he had two hours before her alleged death We'll meet around also side note. How does how does he send information to other people if he's using fax machines and no one else is They all have fax machines, too Anyone he wants to talk to they know I'd better have a he'll send them a fax machine first and then send them A thing where the faxes go to your email as a pdf I was kind of developing that thing in my head that joke about like a potential naked gun joke And I was just like that's that's probably is a joke, right? Where they're like we need a gun It's like check the glove compartment a lot of people keep guns and then you open it up and like they pull out a pistol And it's like that's funny already. You're like, oh, it was a second when they pull out a shotgun You're like We want that like they pull out a big bigger Just keep pulling guns out of it like a cloud car thing. Yeah It's just like a bottomless box It's actually a portal to another dimension. Yeah, I mean, it's just easy joke One of the things too about And how it's sort of framed in the movie is that generally when you come across stupid people You recognize things that they do constantly and you're like, oh, that's a really dumb thing to do, right? But all of yeah, but this is all Recontextualized stupidity. How come all of these things happened and no one noticed it was ever stupid? Well, because at the time it wasn't actually stupid It's just an excuse given after the fact for why all these things could happen for the plot It's the explanation being oh, he's stupid instead of just noticing him doing incredibly stupid things the whole time No one can no one can recognize that he's stupid until the very end when it needs to be stated Oh, yeah, he was dumb the whole time This character was characterized differently. These aren't coincidences or contrivances. They're just parts of the story What's the point of this? Coincidences are part of the story Like why are you saying that because obviously what he means to say is that no it makes sense Not a coincidence What did they say earlier that coincidences are part of the story that you're a standard? Yeah, I was about to say But now it seems like they're also saying Yeah, he's saying he's trying to explain how they're not coincidences and then he says they are just part of the story But like coincidences are that so just better right, please Okay So what if this what if that what if andy came back from the grave and did a tap number at the film's end? What if miles was a robot? How would you defend it? Yeah, that's what I want to know. How would you defend that when if it happens? I would just be curious how you defend it Is he going to just do the whole just let us enjoy things throughout right now? Is that's where we're going? I think he's saying that like He's saying the drinkers questions are as irrelevant as saying what if miles is a robot? Oh, well, that's not very smart. It's not it's not true Like what drink is asking are reasonable things that would likely have the best information We have compared to what we actually got but he doesn't seem to grasp that Oh, he's not bright lad not a bright lad What if they made a pizza with ice cream instead of cheese? What if they made a toilet that jacks you off and see I can do it too I don't know are these relevant questions Yeah, drinkers question was really relevant and you're just not at all relevant. What does it mean? Like you've been gloss onion buddy. You're going crazy with interpretations on what drinker might be referring to and it's really simple He's just pointing out a flaw. That's it He doesn't understand the gloss onion. He didn't learn. He didn't understand To be fair drinker is just you know, so high brow so complex so complicated You need to have read gazinger and feline all of their works. I would say before consuming any drinkers I'll forget brine and his musings. These are the important elements So he's this if Matthew Arnold knew this would be the future You guys you guys who are watching this you guys know who about about Matthew Arnold and what he would say about this, right? Of course you do It's not me trying to fluff myself up because oh look, I know Matthew Arnold. I mean you guys know I mean, come on. We all know right. Yeah, I'm going to pee. Yeah, I'll be Matthew Arnold Let's hear it Matthew Arnold is no one knows There's some I reckon he'd have started people do look. This is taking Oh Well, no, I thought I thought he was making a joke. He was like the artist was like quoting. I have to pee brb Matthew Got it got it Jax you off see I can do it too. I know you're playing it. Anyway, Matthew Arnold Wait, are we actually just not going while he pees? We could just we could just keep going. I don't know We could talk about anything we could go back to talking about bionicles and galladour We could talk about what would Matthew Arnold have to say about bionicle. What would Matt? Well here? Let's explore Matthew Arnold he was an English poet. He's been characterized as a sage Writer a type of writer who chastises and instructs the reader on contemporary social issues Um, he was a cultural critic who worked as an inspector of schools Oh, oh, oh you guys are like this you knew He was the son of thomas arnold The celebrated headmaster of rugby school. Oh, I love rugby school Yeah, and he was a brother to both tom arnold Wait thomas arnold had a son who we named tom arnold. Okay literary Tom arnold was a literary professor And uh, he was also a brother to william delafield arnold delafield's a good name bring it back He was a novelist and colonial administrator bring it back. He was born in december 24th 1822 And he died in april 15th of 1888. So he lived a long life and he had incredible facial hair This man Yeah, man, look at this. What I am to make him. This is that you didn't know who he was It's a press of cybers. No, we all knew this This is just I'm not even reading You're recapping it for people in the audience, right? Just so that absolutely and that that was all off the top of my head In fact, here's another picture off the top of my head that I remember It's all Oh, man So Really useful skill you got there rex. Yeah, look at him. Look at those martin shops Uh, let's see arnold's work as a literary critic began with the 1853 preface to the poems in it He attempted to explain his extreme act of self-centorship in excluding the dramatic poem Empedocles on etna with its emphasis on the importance of subject in poetry on Clearness of arrangement rigor of development simplicity of style Learned from the greeks and in the strong imprint of girta and words worth Maybe observed nearly all the essential elements in his critical theory. So as you know, you guys, you know Yeah, we all get it. I mean, yeah, you get it. He he criticized things We have segments here from the uh wikipedia that i've memorized of on literary criticism Social criticism journalistic criticism religious criticism And of course since all of us just know about these things and the these many many paragraphs of his You know of his work and These criticisms you don't even need to explain it. I was listening and I was kind of getting a little bit bored Why are we going over information that we're all so familiar with? I know well for there might be a couple of people who don't know Don't believe it zero people are unaware of this legend Pretty sure he's more famous in food. Yeah All right, I guess we could carry on fight out a bit more I am the long so I'm the long I don't see how that's relevant. Uh, what that's where you're short To Jesus if Matthew Arnold knew this would be the future of literary criticism I reckon he'd have stuck to poetry. Look, this is taking ages. Let's speed through the rest Wedding miles burn the napkin. We did that one already. Here's the time's done. He's done, right? Okay Seriously drink would be so disappointed if he knew this was it I already knew that I was making fun of the film for it. It's like yeah, well Why did miles shoot Helen in the notepad? He didn't know she had it. He was shooting for the chest Wait a minute What was that? Why did he shoot her in the notepad? That is not I guarantee that is not what Gregorio said Why did the killer shoot her in the note? The the implication here Is the drink is drink is issue anyway Yeah, I that's actually that's probably the lie part of this video then It's funny like it just like all of a sudden It just sort of all caught up to my brain at once that he Killed the notepad I killed the notepad and the head will die Listen, I said I wouldn't do it, but we're doing it for this one. Obviously. Okay, so let me sort this out This is drinkers video Booting her up No, I'm gonna guess vaguely and we'll see if we can catch it. It's probably like Oh You know it genuinely undermines my faith in humanity that a lot of people out there consider this film On the surface is sort of glass onion is that it's genuinely incredible how anyone can be there with ill intense What if one of the group and asked Helen a personal question that she should Miles shot Helen anywhere except the magical bulletproof journal that she was wearing So what drink is trying to tell you is that it was lucky as fuck that the bullet hit the notepad Yeah, and didn't go through not that miles intentionally shot her in the notepad I'm sorry. I can't I'm not even talking about the movie I'm so blown away that his interpretation was the drinker thought miles aimed for the notepad Why would miles shoot directly when she when he knew she had a notepad Miles is so stupid he shot the notepad This is this is what I mean like Man, some people might just fucking say that's like that's a gosh don lie You're lying. You're doing a big lie Some people not us of course and and let's be clear if we're gonna talk about shit like verisimilitude You can't be showing You can't be showing this tiny little thin notebook Stopping a bullet You know like we gotta like oh is that just how it works in this universe and now I'm questioning everything How does he account for the thing for the miles could have you know like pulled the trigger a couple more times in that Or kind of everything Maybe we'll get of course Why didn't he shoot? Benoit Blanc considering I should have shot him first By the way, I want you guys to remember a shot times down If why did miles shoot Helen in the notepad? He didn't know she had it Can you just imagine Helen was Helen was standing and talking to him in such a direction that like that shot is not easy to pull off Oh, yeah, that's a Shooting through a window will alter the trajectory exactly So you already have two things working against you if you're not used to shooting pistols shooting pistols is very difficult Especially with one hand Yeah, this is where I mean like it's miles is so incredibly unlucky. It's absurd But of course it's it's more than just a stretch. It's a hole like that shouldn't happen I don't know why that happened Yeah, he makes a perfect shot, but it gets prevented by some bullshit magical notepad All wrong But rags there's so much data in the notepad. Of course it stopped the bullet Oh, yeah, that's some thick ass knowledge in there and then stop the bullet And of course as we all know ideas are bulletproof Well, they say that uh, you know, it's hard for bullets to penetrate lead lead is in pencils sometimes back in the day so That's true. If she only if only she was wearing pencils That led me to believe that it's still untrue That's amazing. If that thing was made out of fucking if that was like a if that whole book was a chunk of metal even then i'm like Card doors aren't bulletproofs Well, is skin bulletproof that might explain it Oh, yeah, right. Maybe she was so clever her skin was bulletproof It's so clever Uh, I would I would like to read this switch out ahead of time Fun factoid the most common first words babies speak are tell me absolutely everything you know about matthew arnold or i'll pack this diaper I've been in there for nine months. Where the fuck is matthew arnold? Where is he? He was shooting in the chest why didn't myles tried to check if she was dead he did try No, he didn't If you if you want to argue honestly He is trying to check to see whether or not she's dead and he gives up the second benoit says she ain't going anywhere Like uh, yeah, but is she okay? Is she dying at you know, especially considering that benoit blanc was you saw him talking to her? Yep Super suspicious and you're gonna want to confirm it this time Yes, the first time you killed her apparently you didn't do the job. Maybe you should double check this. However, we consider he's stupid This is your tina here If you think that he would be stupid and check anyway, even though benoit blanc said no, I don't check on and then he checks her Anyway, it's like, you know, I need to know. I don't trust you Guys, you just don't understand all these coincidences. They're just deepening the mystery So It's so funny See all those lights just not come up in myles's head and the excuse is just he's dumb It's like the guy she's clearly invited herself to investigate my murder of her is telling me that I don't need to inspect The second murder scene of which the first time I fucked up apparently she didn't die because this is a ghost or a zombie I don't know Like oh god myles's brain is such a fucking playground for everyone to say what is going on in there It's just insane. There's nothing consistent about it Everyone inside Not going anywhere That's all it took. So this is once again It's like the film says two plus two is five and then drinker says two plus two isn't five and then the guy goes But it said it is The film says two plus two is five Listen To the film the film is correct instead of opting and this explains the whole video instead of assuming drinker is Responding to these scenes. He's instead saying that drinkers lied and said these scenes don't exist That's insane really fucking annoying is what it is Yeah, because it just like it just jumps on the circle joke, right? Everyone's excited that hates drinker to be like Yeah, he did lie and he didn't use a stoopie. He doesn't even know about onions Stop the bullets. Maybe there's metal in the covers Tell me you don't know fuck all about gun Do tell me you don't know fuck all about notepads Metal covers hard door is not bulletproof. Yeah To be fair, there's no reason not to farm rhinos First off that's not notebooks don't fucking have metal covers I'm sure one of them out there does right, but this is funny Pictures of me in those books. I didn't allow that. We don't know that she isn't wolverine and she may have survived the shot You don't know that Metal covers wouldn't have done anything. I mean, I guess it would have helped You know, like if you were to ask me, would you rather be shot? Just shot or would you rather have these tiny little metal plates in front of you? I'd be like, I guess I'll take the plates. I mean it can't hurt No, Jesus Christ, but it Well, paper is enough and Aren't we showed there is there's no metal in in the What's happened when we see the bullet holes like it's it's just a paper metallic ink Like this is some fucking desperate shit, man I will definitely be telling drinker about this when I next Maybe there's metal in the covers no pads like that exist All right He just showed a close-up and you can tell you know, you would have heard the the bullet hitting the metal She may have been wearing a bulletproof vest. You don't know Bulletproof vests exist. She might be wearing one now. This is a dangerous mission. You'll be in senton You'd better wear this kevlar underneath your dress just to be Stalted by a ballistic. Yeah, right. And then she's like I would but it's a bit clunky Is there anything small you've got he's like, I have this notebook that is It's the only one in the fucking planet that has metal coverings It's called the teddy roosevelt style notebook Make sure to put it over your heart at all times Y'all be fine. Why are you wearing a notebook on your face? Oh, no reason. No reason Metal I really like your impression of his new Orleans accent. It's great More please nullans Why did the notepad stop? What why do we have to hear it again? I'm sorry what we do We got to make sure we don't fuck up what he's saying friggy We might even have to go back further depending on what he says next. Who fucking knows Notepads like that exist. Also notepad stops the bullet. That's a pretty established mystery trope Hi president matter if it's a trope. Okay. Do are we gonna have to have to the trope talk? We're gonna have to do this again. We're gonna talk about tropes trope isn't something isn't good and something isn't bad Because it's a trope trope is a descriptor of things that typically happen often in media elements of storytelling or narratives or media It's it's all kinds of things more things than you could imagine are considered tropes because things recur over and over in storytelling Something's not good because it's a trope. Something's not bad because it's a trope Need more But uh, this is Yes, I hope you all see Absolutely just because a shitty thing is done a lot doesn't mean it's not shitty Yes, and the and you can't Simultaneously as i'm sure this person would say like this This movie doesn't conform to elements of the who done it genre and that you can't possibly have predicted what happens But it's like well, you know Not every who done it mystery has to have that but you know what? I mean you can't rely on tropes and aspects of genre when it suits you and then like use them as defenses And also like so is the point of this film to make fun of tropes or is it to use them in its own defense? I Which one is it? Is it both because if it's both that's kind of interesting artistically In very inconsistent But what what's our stance on tropes here? I guess when it comes to this film? I need would need to know that I feel like with a lot of people you have to sit them down and have the trope talk People act like just because something's a trope. It's totally defensible for that reason alone Another way you can break this down is the you've now established that because the notepad stopping a bullet happens commonly in this Genre does that mean that if I do anything in this genre that hasn't really been done before it's bad? Like what what is the opposite end of this logic? Yeah, the first time the trope happened it was bad, but as enough people copied it it became good retro actively The one you hear the most about this is plot armor people will be like this plot armor in all kinds of films Yeah, and it's always shit You know, I wonder if my definition is some fundamental appeal to suspension disbelief or they'd be like, what are you? You losing your sense of suspense disbelief in every film you watch Maybe like well, I do for those portions of those things. I don't like it. The minigun fires someone. They're just like, I'm fine Yeah I'm sorry When you're moving clearly operate some normal life physics, but then Your character gets run over by a car 17 times and they just walk away So our genre convention is good or is the film infuriating for subverting? Oh, he's now highlighting that drink is inconsistent because I mean, I could give you the answer drinker doesn't think it's good. Whatever it happens How's that subverting? if if That's his point is the drinker saying I hate this film because it subverts the genre But simultaneously criticizes it for doing things the genre does all the time like a notepad stopping a bullet which is uh I could like I said, I could give you the cheat code drinker thinks that would be bad and anything It doesn't matter what genre like well, I was about to say it doesn't matter what genre But we don't need to go that far. We'll just talk about this specific genre I don't think he's ever gonna watch a murder mystery where a bullet is stopped miraculously Because by the way, there are gonna be and rags is gonna have a better answer for this than I would But I imagine there's gonna be a very specific circumstance with a particular caliber or a particular way a gun was fired We possibly could have a thick notebook stopping it Um dependent on you know certain circumstances, but this one doesn't count with all the materials involved And it doesn't even address the incredible luck Yeah, it's not it's really not I don't I don't have an issue with the actual notebook stopping the bullet You should use that Problem, but it's just the insane coincidence that that even happens at all She should be dead the pile of coincidences. This is sitting in you know, it's crazy Thank god. I didn't leave that bottle in my room If she got tagged in such a way that she required like a hospital She would be dead because remember how no one can get to the island It's just like well you're fucked. Yeah. Yeah, there are no other workers there. And yeah That's what whenever you go to that city in greece. They say all right Here's here's the number one rule if you're ever shot do not do it On the island between the hours of 10 p.m. And 6 a.m. Or else we will not be able to get to you Just making sure you know ahead of time It's can't be why and then they go because the dog is all stupid and then you like Why is that and then they go because miles is stupid It's like who's miles. Oh, I suppose that's okay then if he's stupid does that pass regulation There's there any regulation time for that and it's just like shut up Is this a pretty bad this whole time with all 50 workers nobody can leave once it hits a certain hour Because the dock doesn't work even though you could just climb into a fucking boat Even though you could just take the boat and pull it up onto the beach Because boats have things like pontoons and shit Like that's just how like I don't know. I've gone to the lake. I I've physically personally Parked a boat onto land by pulling it onto the land. I don't know if I can simplify it more That's just what you do And and then the boat stays there and then you leave when you want to leave There's no secret to it You just do it the film's insistence that it can't be done is actually incredibly important to the plot When I can personally bounce that yeah, you just take a boat and just put it on the land and then you push it off when you want to leave That's really that's really all there is to it. I think the boat thing actually gets brought up soon That's gonna be oh Oh, is the problem gloss onion trying to have its genre cake and eat it too if so Hold up. Just second. I'm gonna get a drink real quick. I'll be right back. It has nothing to do with genre It's just No, I mean, yeah, it's it's no, I'm sorry Matthew Arnold he was he's got a brother named Tom Arnold and his father was Thomas Arnold is just make sure we know Okay, carry on It is irrelevant to drinkers point But I do think the movie tries to have its cake and eat it too when it comes to genre conventions. Absolutely You could say that but you're either respected or you don't you can't do both Yeah, well, it'll call upon them when they want when he wants convenient shit to happen But then I will dismiss them when he wants to have a set when he doesn't want to have a mystery that you Dude, he warned us all the way back in lupa when he said wait, this doesn't make sense because blah blah blah Then he goes shut up. Stop thinking about it True And people actually crazed that by the way. I remember. Yeah, they did. They sure did. They're like, huh He's real clever. They write them Yeah He warned us he didn't listen It's right there god damn it Let the past die You know I came to this island to die Leave me alone go away. You are such a good nurse that you mixed up the medication But then you un-mixed him because you're so good Then he killed himself because of your decisions because you're such a good nurse If only you would have called the ambulance, but you didn't because you were a good nurse She's such a good nurse that she couldn't tell he wasn't overdosing on morphine Yeah, it's like, hey, why are you sweating? It's been a while I'm a good nurse. Don't worry. I can tell whatever you do. Don't cut your throats. I'll be right back They say like you'll start showing symptoms within five minutes and then five minutes clearly passes and he's fine It's like yeah, and also it wouldn't be five minutes if you just given him a lethal dose of morphine directly into his bloodstream I'd have to check all the medicine on that But yeah, I just go go in by what they said in the movie is so funny that by her own logic. She's dumb as fuck Yeah, exactly that that as well Ryan's superpower is making a character tell the audience directly to shut up and getting away with it. Yep For me, man, it almost it kind of feels that way, doesn't it? Like if you ever make a movie make sure you include at least one character at one point saying this is all dumb And then you got it. Yep. You got it I honestly do think he has a superpower for fooling people Into thinking that these are good. Like I I'm kind of in awe of that ability. He somehow has I don't get it But he fools a lot of people that actually kind of impressive I think what was funny is a lot of people in like the eFab community were like, I like knives out, but this one was dumb and I'm like Dumb as fuck too Yeah We'll admit this one was worse What the fuck's going on at this point, but yes Is very bad We lost so i'm just going to kill everything But it's fine. We're just relying about it anyway We'll lie for a lie, but you won't lie for the truth Uh I'm back. I don't want to lie Hello, how are you? Let us continue on. What's up? What are we doing? What's going on? Why is that a problem? I don't know the answer to any of these questions because the drinker doesn't give them I know you don't Why didn't he kill Blanc? Maybe that drinker does expect a little bit of sort of critical thinking on your end to a consumer's video Uh, it's I mean, it's you can argue it's his mistake to make that's fair Maybe it was uh, but yeah, I don't know Expecting a little too much No, the answer to any of these questions because the drinker doesn't give them Why didn't he kill Blanc with Helen? Why would he kill Blanc? He doesn't think I was gonna cut like We'll let him continue All right fine, okay Blanc's in on it yet. In fact Blanc's just been playing the concern card. Jesus fucking. He doesn't know worse It got worse in on it yet. It's like what? What is that what he would be thinking legit once again Bang bang once again. We have to explain the events to this guy because he's forgotten how the film goes so Uh Miles finds out that andy is dead from Uh thingy's phone. He's then like right you're using it as leverage against me So i'll kill you and then i'm gonna need to kill whoever the fuck this person is because they I think at that point. He's probably realized she's Helen Um, and she's pretending to be andy and then of course there is an investigator here I think we're supposed to gather at that point that uh, he's figured out their plan And then he literally sees them talking to each other and you have Blanc like exclaiming Helen to her in that conversation So yeah, he knows they're in cahoots Uh So that's why you shoot this guy I think I said a couple of times I'm thinking about it in for a penny in for a pound Which is actually a line a couple of times said in knives out The idea is if you're willing to kill to to preserve a particular status quo One person but to really secure it. You need to kill two. It's like well Yeah at that point you've already crossed the line of killing people. You'll kill the second Yeah, you've already got the the world's greatest detective as an eyewitness. Yeah, probably want to clean up after yourself I don't know man. If he was that willing to kill dude, just like straight away this guy that he's known for years I don't know how much consideration you asked for Oh, you're actually right. Sorry Yeah, if he was to be shooting Blanc here that would be his fourth murder victim Yes, that's right. It would be so yeah, I don't see why we're so surprised at the idea that you do that He definitely suspects the fucking world-renowned detective who is currently discussing shit with zombie girl, of course exactly Zombie girl It's key that he's referring to her as helen. He knows who she actually is. He knows she's pretending to be andy I'm not so sure about that. Why wouldn't he when he's that close? I I know like logically he should But I don't know if I I'm not actually sure that ryan connected those dots himself I think you might I think he might still think Somehow I I it doesn't make any sense whatsoever Why would you kill helen? What did what would helen? Death achieve I'm not actually sure. I think we brought this up before. I wasn't even sure of why he's doing this exactly Yeah Is at this point in the movie, how does this help you? Like it's gonna be more cover-ups you have to do now instead of just being like wait andy died Who the fuck are you and then she can be like i'm helen. Hello Andy died Because you're right. It's only for him to incriminate himself at this point Yep If you if you're if you're gonna kill someone I think just go for block He's gonna nail you to the wall for the for killing you figure it out. Yeah all Batista so Because the other people they're praying gonna figure it out Still thinks this is andy that she'd somehow survived and just doesn't want her to go public with any attempted murder Wait, sorry. He's using me. I wanted to go public. Like I said, he calls a helen in this scene He doesn't think blonks in on it yet In fact, blonks just been playing the concern card. He probably still thinks this is andy that she'd somehow survived It just doesn't want her to go public with any attempt. Oh, he's saying that miles currently believes this is andy I did he forget when he saw the news report. Yeah, he just said he said that she somehow survived I I No, he knows she's dead. Yeah. No. No, he's he is saying miles his thought process was ah the announcement of andy's death She must have survived. They reported her death and she ended up here So why would he kill duke? I don't know, dude. I do not I don't understand this fucking logic at all With time if he thinks andy is still alive. Why is he killing duke? That's that's a that's a question for you to answer Yeah, like I said, I think the most reasonable thing is that he's aware this is helen now Or you want to go with him thinking she's a zombie fight go for it Murder accusations from earlier. Is that a dumb move? Maybe yeah, but miles is done My mouse is so incessant on double clicking that I can't get that back It's really clicking away There we go. I wanted to change is it five or six? Fuck. I think it's six now The defense of the movie it's fucking dumb Why are the others so far away? Why did it take everyone so long to reach the scene of her apparent death when they were only a matter of yards away? We have not shown them to be mere meters away. That isn't true We're showing them running in all directions. So it is it is an actual fact. They are yards away You know, it can't it's impossible for them to not be yards away It just you want to say that they're too far away to be able to get there in time But I think that's lucky as hell for blank and because all you need is one person to get there in time And if they're all scattered around the complex and they're all simultaneously very interested in this gunshot sound Then yeah, all it takes is one person to see him pouring hot sauce on her body to be like what the fuck Yeah Because apparently actually a cannibal and I like I'm very hungry Because apparently what actually happened is they were all very similarly far away so that they all arrived back to back Which is which is funny, right? Also, they all arrive exactly the same time But they're all scattered at a sebi circle around him. It's like Okay, and we're talking a large sebi circle It's during the blackout chaos Why did Blanc have a convenient bottle of chili sauce in his pocket to use as fake bloods? There's a scene that sets this up. God damn Yeah, it just it's like guys haven't noticed yet. He just takes whatever the film says and just goes with it. That's it Yeah, it's just yeah, that's it. Of course. It makes sense. The film said it did How could any film be bad? It's funny as fuck that he pockets the hot sauce and then we find out Oh, you made him pocket the hot sauce to fake a death. Oh my god. That's so Um, and yeah, maybe you can fault drinker on that one for not being like like he should have included What he's being critical of isn't it absurd that he's just carrying around hot sauce with him The whole time not picking it up putting it in his I don't know his bag or on the table in his room or something Until you leave the island that's obviously I'll pick up the hot sauce. I'm not gonna carry it around with me everywhere I go And then of course You know the the fact that like we we we were addressing all of that But the fact that he decided as soon as he walked in to try the hot sauce find it to be of interest and then pocket It's like where the fuck did that even come from we're not even having a meal yet And like of all the things he could have tried it was the hot sauce What if he tried any other topping of any kind of any kind of sauce or if he just didn't choose one? Yeah, what what if he was like that's my my mayonnaise right there? He pours mayonnaise on her to be like She's been shot Lapland what did you do to that body? Well, you know, uh, yeah, oh, it's it's all super coincidental, but you've just bought it You're just buying it. It's like fuck you. I agree with ryan. This is totally sensical Everyone picks up their hot sauce bottles at parties. We all do it. Yeah Why did a guy not notice getting pickpocketed people typically don't notice getting pickpocketed That's not true Right directly off their goddamn crotch This is a ticket. I'm going to This statistics on like the likelihood of recognizing you're being pickpocketed. Is that a thing because it really depends on who's pickpocketing, right? Exactly if you have like one that's like really good with slayers is a sly or sleigh of hands like the sleight of hand sleight of hands Like you probably wouldn't recognize that person But some random was just trying to grab something out of your pocket or your holster It's like you got a special kind of guns guns kind of heavy Yeah, yeah, dude They're heavy and there's a bunch of give when you pull it out of a holster because there's retention, right? You know, I'm gonna make the sound and it's heavy I'm gonna pull a bit of an authority card as someone who's a concealed carry practitioner and strong second amendment advocate Who carries a gun with them pretty much all the time? I leave the house. I carry a glock 26. It's 26 ounces loaded It's going to be a little bit more than that because I use a slightly extended mag for it that holds 12 There is no fucking way That someone would be able to now I carry mine typically in the small of my back or on a little pouch on the right hand side So if you're gonna if you're gonna, you know pounce on me, just there's a little tactical advantage you've got but um To carry it on the on the front like that To always have it there when it weighs that much and to just have someone take it away from you There's no way that you wouldn't notice that if you didn't notice it Immediately being pulled off of you you would notice it extremely quickly afterwards every time like you moved or bent That weight isn't there the the feeling of the gun isn't there That's nonsense that he wouldn't notice that and also this establishes that apparently Miles has this incredible pick pocketing skill. Yeah, he's able to do this You might even say it takes somebody Take someone with a bit of intelligence to be able to pull that off convincingly, but No, yeah, I don't think it was ever established that he was a pick pocketer. So you can't really pull that rule Pulls out out of their ass and that dude he is decided in that moment I'm going to kill him and I'm gonna do it by stealing his gun to set up my later kill that I need But simultaneously I'm gonna slight of hand my own drink into his hand to kill him as well Yeah, and then I'm gonna dump it in an ice bucket that everyone can see but they don't I've always loved that that there's so many questions But if he did had him that drink, could he just sniffed it? It was like this this pie. What the What are you doing, dude that he's like Yes, yeah, I told you I don't played it Duke don't play but pineapple. Yeah poison if you're trying to use poison for like an assassination reason typically it's going to be tasteless odorless It's not going to be something that's very strongly flavored like pineapple See we've moved from all of his clever intelligent moves and how they can fool apart and now we're back to over. He's dumb though We're back that can you point out at Florida? No, he's dumb though Just uh bolster what rags is saying they the the movie specifically makes it a point to say that Duke has his gun with him All the time to the point that he's in the pool in a speedo with it He has it He has it night and day. I'm I'm assuming he's yeah, hence on how he's deeply used to the feel of this thing Which makes sense as to why he doesn't notice it gone makes sense Yeah, and um I pretty much I think based off of do we see the Actual clip that's being used here of the holster itself because I think I I virtually have one that's identical to that It's just a basic little leather one It works decently well Um One it when you take the gun out of it He kind of closes a bit You know because it's leather being stretched eventually it'll conform to the shape of the gun pretty closely Yeah, but it's all nonsense. It's just the idea that you could do this any in Any normal person would notice someone who's obsessed with their gun would definitely notice You'd have to establish that the person was like a master pickpocketer in order to pull this And that the other person is someone who's brand new to gunslinging and was like This is my cool gun that I keep on a place that's much more easy to get without me noticing Even then minus a lot of weight to just be gone Mm-hmm This is not so he's got a full sized gun. That's look they get heavy He's explaining to drinker that pickpocket pocketing is a thing That's his response. It's like I don't even want to give this time at this point. I'm just like shut the fuck up He knows what pickpocketing is Address the point Privants only one day drink is gonna learn that this exists Hold on. It's like he it's like he thinks every single person in a story would just naturally have knowledge of how to like hot wire a car Because some people can hot wire cars Why would he have this knowledge? How would he be an expert pickpocketer? Is this that That we've been you know what's funny I would have expected uh ryan to write it so that a casual line early at one point in the film Myles says like, you know once we launched alpha It was so wonderful because I didn't have to spend my life trying to fucking pick pocket Like people and you know make my way through life that you know just some stupid line like that you'd be like, oh Yeah, but no we didn't even get that show him at the bar When they worked there that he was able to do it something like that. Yeah Nope No, we rely on people saying pickpocketers exist Oh Well, they do be existing Some cinematic contrivance Honestly, one day drink is gonna learn that this exists in the real world That you can have something nicked from your pocket without realizing it and it's gonna blow his Ryan pickpocketed your common fucking sense. This is what I mean like Why can't you be good faith enough to address what is obviously his point instead of being like, you know I'll just convince everybody. He doesn't know what a pickpocket is Bizarre, isn't it? Well, it's just an asshole move Yeah, absolutely. It's like Jesus Yeah, Miles probably would have wanted the clay back off blank before he left the island But a little after he gives it to him this strength before he left the island No, he wanted back immediately. Yeah Valuable acid on this whole island problem. Oh one of the ones. I mean, it's insanely dangerous He might not know that or it's all just stupidity. So I guess it's all gonna get whisked under the road But wait imagine he's had the same thing with the hot sauce He's like take some with you if you want, you know, put it a little good. He does something I just realized Uh Because the explosion we see at the end that's only the vapors of that little piece of stuff, right? That's the idea. No, I think uh It's the idea that it exploded the rest of it as well I do declare I have the vapors I think it was like it was like a small piece and then like the whole building was also made up of the same energy And so it's all like those it was a spark essentially. Okay. Yeah, that's just something I've thought of maybe The explosion might actually be bigger Yeah, and it's no small thing that's gonna help it's not If he hadn't even thrown it at him to begin with if he had just described clear He didn't need to have it and then if he had asked for it back the whole ending doesn't happen Yeah, yeah All right, I'll take it back now, please Things start happening. Why didn't these piddly little sprinklers put out a big fire right away? I don't know about you guys but miles brawn who apparently drinker says something about The fire response system in the gloss onion, which yeah, you could expect a tech billionaire to have like better systems to suppress fire I guess Gonna be honest with you. It's not even up to the tech billionaire There are building codes that engineers and architects and everything have to go through when it comes to fire suppression systems And if the entire mansion is built off of this supposedly extremely volatile thing Then you're gonna have to take that into account when you build for it. Um, also As it's not a channel ready. This room is filled. This room might be one of the most valuable rooms in history If it has the Mona Lisa in it, it probably is by default the most valuable room in history Whatever whatever room the Mona Lisa's in might just be de facto the most valuable room Yeah Lives in a big onion house Doesn't seem the kind of guy to have the designers for his private greek island palace stick rigidly to fire safety codes It's not up to him. It's not it is really not up to him The owner gets to decide things like the design and even then it's not typically going to be strictly up to them What they'll do is they'll speak with the architects and say i want this this this can you make this happen The architect gets back to them with designs they work with that design and change it where it's possible because Not every architectural desire that you have is necessarily possible through engineering does this thing though and like You know we expect a character like a character's whole family are in trouble and he holds a gun But he only ever does fistfight and we're like wow, that's stupid. Why didn't you ever use the gun? That would have been really helpful and would have completed it all quickly I could imagine this guy being like he is a lifelong gun advocate who has weapons on him at the time And his whole family are at risk slash have died of course. He's using his fists instead of his pistol You're like wait what that last part was what? It's like wouldn't like designers be like, okay, you know what this is actually super unsafe You could you could easily sue us if a fire goes up and we're not going to take that kind of liability So we're not going to that's why it's stupid That's why there's a lot of people don't people are so used to having super safe buildings and everything to live in They often don't think about all of the work that has to go into Maintaining building codes because you have to have a lot of different people cooperating with each other You have to have the architect and you have to have the engineers and all the construction guys and everything They are constantly talking to each other and checking each other's work to make sure the building's not just up to code Whether it's anything from the amount of sprinklers you have to the size of rooms to the materials It's made of to the the damn grating on the the ramps and whether or not they're handicapped compliant There's so much that goes into making a building that people just don't think about because it happens all behind the scenes Do you want to know something funny? Uh I did read a couple more of those comments in the video one of them Books about how cool the film is for actually giving it away that it wasn't the real Mona Lisa And that miles was tricked by the Louvre Um, what? Yeah, just hang on a sec. So it's something to do with how um, the real Mona Lisa is painted on wood While the one we see in this film is clearly on canvas And so it's it can't be the the correct one which um, Normally, right like like if we take it we go step by step. So step one It would be like, okay clever twist, but now the criticism is Oof, so it wasn't the real Mona Lisa rip Helen, right? Like, yeah, exactly But wait, right? So then People check out and it's like, oh, Ryan Johnson actually comes out and says, oh, well There was an original ending Where Benoit Blanc talks to the Louvre on the phone and confirms the Mona Lisa is okay And the this was a fake Ryan Johnson cut that Because of the fact that it would fuck up a lot of the payoff that this has to be the real Mona Lisa for this film to work So It's so funny to me that people are defending this film By saying like how clever that wasn't the real Mona Lisa It's like that fucks over the main character's whole goal. And secondly She's still having the intent to burn the thing down. She didn't know it was fake either. She still believed it. It was real How can you frame miles for destroying the Mona Lisa when it wasn't That too, that's what I mean. It's all so incredibly dumb, but everyone is defending it all as spot Yeah, this helps miles and it hurts the protagonist And so someone's asking and the final cut then is this the real Mona Lisa is like as far as ryan's concerned Yes, this is the real one that got destroyed Well, do you know what I mean? It's it's amazing like It doesn't matter what happened in this film people will contextualize it as intelligent. They'll just find a way Not a religion Level of building caused no harm to the people inside the building Level must mean something different in scotland, I guess and look nobody knows how clear powered energy pipes work I You really can't be saying this in front of this visual. I swear to god like if drinking was hyperbolic to say the building was leveled I swear to if someone if one of you guys said fuck the building got leveled. I really can't see myself being like Excuse me It only exploded in a massive series of fireballs It wasn't leveled. The top is now gone. It's been flattened But but it's not just the top the building's been circumcised if you if you watch it You must be tons and tons of debris falling downward into the lower levels. We see the room facility blows up all over Onion is gonna. Yeah, it's gonna be raining down shards of glass and into the ocean All over the beach anyone who's not it was outside and not covered up This is motor car fall disaster goddamn The motor car Take for this island to be reusable. They have to find all the glass shards and clean them up The ecology of the surrounding area I can't believe he's actually gonna defend like it makes sense. They survive behind like on top of this visual has fucking brilliant Look at that. He doesn't know how bullets work or explosions or just anything in general energy Not just the top part of the building I can't believe drink a light. Yeah, what a crazy man. What have you done? Yeah, what energy pipes work? I don't the drink it doesn't all we can do. You don't know how it works Yeah, I'm just looking at what I'm looking at man. I'm looking at these massive series of explosions As you can see clear explodes around people not into them Stupid a safety feature and take that It's a smart gas So that means miles was right and this is the perfect energy source. Good for him. Yeah, dude It doesn't kill people. Yeah, you must be so clever to make such a thing miles. Just He's gonna be the richest man in the world, but he gets that payout for the insurance. I swear Hard to believe that he's so dumb Go off is what the film gives us and the film shows the flames going up then cuts to an explosion Sends it on the yeah now show us the room after it Mr. The flames will get sucked up I don't actually understand the fire Going up. I mean, that's That's that's the purpose of that ventilation thing, right that the suck up the fire Why else would I think it's what a smoke smoke? And some of the fire gets pulled up with it as well at least the flames so It's that powerful to pull up all of that fire I think I think it can Explosions I'm not familiar with that system, but I am familiar with fire. Yeah, I guess we don't know how these Yeah, so well, I mean this is what I'm saying though like to say well All the fire went up wouldn't touch them and then when we see them next they're surrounded by fire, so Yeah Yeah, it's inferno in that room and they're all really lucky They all have like uh dirt marks and like wounds small wounds, but They're gonna be done. They could easily all have died. There's no reason not to think that easily I don't even know how they could stand in that room with all that heat Got to be cooking them. Just the mm-hmm I wouldn't have put it past ryan to have had miles get crushed by his own car by the way That could easily happen Like fuck it. That's that's poetic justice me To me that maybe this is where a lot of the energy infrastructure was installed And that's why we see the That's not centered there. Look at look. You're you're it's not why did you put this? Why did you put this? Isn't that just a big old glass office? Really? I think it also happens. What's so great about it, too Is the she in ahead might be thinking man I might just explode that random dude who works here and is obviously at a sort of anything that's happening here But whatever whatever he has to go. Yeah, also all of these people and myself and Blanc and miles And drink man who's just there Anyone to I I just I just don't know if you knew that this level of explosion would take place like the glass onion up top Exploding and like you you could see in some of the footage that's just like essentially meteorites being long out of the island Geez like yeah, it's crazy in hell. This is one of those points when drinker says when drinker says this you go Yeah Yeah Why should they die for look at this image? That's fucking beautiful man Why should they die from this? Oh, I see so they breathe in this room because the air is so hot and there's so much smoking crap in the Is Mona Lisa at some point Explosions need a motive too. I could tell dude if I was a friend of his I might be like that was a really funny edit By the way, I think you'd be like what you know what he said like how could they possibly die that you cut to like the inferno I mean to be fair, we don't know that they didn't all have notebooks on them Oh, yeah with metal playing our target notebooks all over their bodies You know that kind of does make sense actually. Yeah To soak up all of the shrapnel of the glass and metal and everything I'd love to see a paper detailing the blast radius of unstable clear, but since it doesn't exist First of all you can see it Oh They they compared it to the hindenburg. It's a high Nobody knows the hindenburg is bringing that was probably like a candle Just like what are you doing? What it's such cope, isn't it? Well, yeah, again like everyone loves this not because it makes good points, but because it's shit not drinker That's that's the only reason they like it Yeah, seems to be All any of us can go off is what the film gives us It gives us a massive series of explosions. No reason rags. No reason Very very possible that that Blanc in this stoner guy are about to get hit with a rain of sharp broken glass What goes up must come down. It isn't the film's job It isn't any film's job to explicitly exhaustively explain everything that happens if not what we're asking for Nobody's asking for that. You can't just show things that don't make sense and say well It's not the movie's job to explain it to you It's like no it you can't bring up verisimilitude and then show explosions like this and just write it off Do you want it or not? Don't just say a big word to make yourself sound smart Generally these words have meanings behind them that you need to be able to comprehend and understand Interesting you say all of that. Well, I'm gonna bring out some old person from history Who said something that's not relevant to be oh, yes on there the bozak is he wrote in his treaties in 1824 about the So there All the film has to do is establish characters and rules from which choices and events can flow Yeah, but I hope they don't fucking break them like this one does over and over and over and over again all the time Sorry, we listened to the film and then we're like wait you told me two things that don't match I'm confused That's not verisimilitude How long has a notepad block has the source yada yada yada and to avoid beats that can't Reasonably be explained by an attentive viewer. Nothing the critical drinker raises here fails these criteria Um, I don't like made a strong response to basically any of it most of them. You don't even understand what he's saying Like you can't just say that especially all everything we've seen is a little awkward. I don't know how big an explosion you just saw was Oh as you go Uh, well I'm not entire. I can't remember how this fully goes now fails these criteria He breezes past all this obviously to give a reason for all of these non-stupid stupid moments non-stupid stupid moments moments What? Is that his way of saying they are stupid but not for the reason drinker said or what? I don't know. They're stupid, but in a good way Makes my brain hurty And that's the following the thing is I know what the answer to all of these questions is gonna be because the film straight up spells it out to us It's just dumb everything in this script that doesn't make sense Is because the people involved were just really stupid This is this is everything the video has been so far and drinkers drinkers counted you from the past Pretty good He then follows it up with this little jam There's a there's an underlying conversation when we talked about glass onion when it comes to film criticism that relates to a question Critics need to be able to answer which is how do I know? What I can and cannot trust When it comes to information presented to me in a movie when blonk says he's just dumb How do I actually know that's true? What information can I use whether it's true or not uses fake words? When yeah, like There is you want to gather your information you want to be able to determine How come this person's telling the truth and this person isn't how do I know if what the film is trying to say? Is actually true and I think that a lot of Film critics they never engage in this kind of thinking Because they just go with what the film says must be true because it's the film telling it to be um And it's it's a huge failure that i'm noticing throughout this video on his part. There's no sense of I guess investigation or attempt at discerning what the truth actually is. There's no attempt to second guess himself or double check with any information he's been given It's really just a matter of the film is saying this so i'm accepting it regardless of context And regardless of what information i'm actually being given i'm trusting the telling and i'm not trusting the showing Agree Honestly, I have never seen such a weak pathetic attempt to excuse terrible writing in my life. Yeah, buddy me neither That doesn't make sense. No doesn't make sense Nihar we're doing the payoff thing very funny, but doesn't make I'm ace not funny. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it doesn't make sense It's an attempt at humor. I can at least recognize that this is a failure of a joke But Don't worry guys. Okay, it's Oh, it hasn't yet. Oh, it must be real good Does he have a response at all to critical drinkers point about how like, oh, I know what they're gonna say They're gonna say everything dumb that happens is fine because the characters are stupid. He didn't respond to that Well, it's because that's his well, that's because they don't have an answer Yeah, like that's been his whole video. So of course that's as far as his argument goes. They are stupid You want to sit down and ask okay? Well, how you just set out a series of circumstances and things that actually happen And say Where is the line like if you have one to ten with one being the dumbest possible thing one person could do In ten being super genius level How far down that list can you get before you stop believing that someone like miles would be able to do it, right? Considering everything that he's able to accomplish in this film because admittedly he does a lot of smart and capable things in this movie So where's the line? Can he just like shoot himself in the head? Can he Know that two plus two is four like like if he his plan relied on him getting two plus two wrong Would the example would the excuse of he's just stupid would that would that work for you? Would you be able to accept that? I want to know where the line is the circus of goo in the basement. I think is No, that's a character though. Yeah, it's okay. It would be weird if there wasn't a goo circus As long as it's a scottish circus What do you mean a scottish goo circus that would be all right. What do you mean? I Gottish On this point though the whole the film being about stupidity means it is itself stupid Let me just quote myself from like a week ago. That isn't ryan johnson calling his own writing dumb That's ryan writing about that. No, you miss the point really miss the point He's saying to defend the highlighted stupid elements people will say it's stupid on purpose That it's like a built-in defense no matter what not like what drink is saying isn't that people would say it's badly written They would say it is stupid on purpose fool When like the whole point is that no, it's inconsistent. It's it's badly written Like you missed it. Those people keep saying like you miss the point of glass on you Read read the definition read what it refers to you like. Oh, you're not even listening to me Hey, we assume those with power are better smarter than us the way we give them so much credit for free Believe it or not. There is a difference between you giving things credit for free That's all you do when you give this film credit for free. You just accept things like a like an infant Mr. Metal book Bad screenwriting and writing a dumb character who pulls off a dumb plot Who nearly succeeds because the characters and the viewers are expecting sophistication. No because they're dumb, too uh We yes There's so many ways all of it falls apart. Everyone is just stupid in just the right way Of course, that's the glass onion folks. Yeah, don't you misunderstood it to set up the film's real resolution Relying as it does on this uncoupling of status and worthiness this demystifying of wealth material what What are you talking about the ending is she gets petty to the point of destroying a cultural like Fucking landmarks through all of humanity's cultural history just to annoy the rich guy What does demystifying wealth mean? Hey, well, he's trying to run with the whole like you see rich people aren't smart Okay, sure All right, um, does he think that Ryan isn't rich? Yeah, probably he's like Ryan not realize he's rich Oh, Ryan is so fucking rich. What are you saying? Go from Netflix? Anyone know what you go from Netflix for the deal? I think Fringy said it anybody hundreds of millions, right? Something like that. Um Oh man, it just reminds me of just anything from disney where they're like corporations suck, don't they? You're like Hang on Later Later success and great man theory. I'm gonna skip over the next section. It's just more generalized grumbling about the point No, you wanted to cover this video. You don't get to skip anything generalized grumbling Oh, fucking hell sure. I'm sure it's all very accurate Gloss onion is wrong for not measuring up one to one to the genre's traditional conventions Oh, but it's fine to have stupid contrivances because they're part of the genres can a ball No, no, they rely relies on it. You cannot have a mystery genre without contrivances. They are necessary. That's what he said Because I think it's about time we got to the real meat of all this the big one the moment Oh, this is where we all come around as you may have noticed There's been a ramping up of sorts throughout this video the guy's points keep getting more and more flawed more and more facile Oh, you're gonna wait. Sorry. He's talking about drinker or himself His eyes. Mm-hmm Oh Well, I think it applied better to himself, but all right The lies are getting more frequent Oh Okay, I agree the lies really are going to be frequent. Yeah, they're certainly adding up But they all pale in comparison to this The context the drinker's just launched into a big complaint about the film not giving the audience the mysteries breadcrumbs for them to Figure out alongside the characters despite the fact that it does this Miles doesn't no I mean, where do we even begin? There's nothing about the twin sister before it's revealed. He doesn't yeah No way any of us. I don't think anyone on the planet is like That that woman is a twin Why yeah, he's so bad at this All you have to say is it doesn't like the character. I don't know All you have to say is it doesn't have to do that that not every mystery movie has to do that That's all he had to say but he tries to do both he tries to say no it does do that. No, it doesn't There's no way to predict. It's so convoluted and contrived. There's no way to predict it Malapropisms being one example the glass past being another And careful that that scene is shown twice and it's different You don't exactly like what are we supposed to believe is happening? And a lot of people aren't paying attention to the specific handling of those drinks the first time around So when you show when you repeat the scene they're gonna be like is that what happened? Okay Like it's not clever if you do it that way Characters stumbling upon the clues by accident even though the clips he plays clearly show them intentionally sleuthing No, no you mean it's of all the fucking things you could bump into at whatever times This is what he gets. This is funnily enough. This is not we were talking about this earlier with the the bob comments This is really lucky that they talk about this here now This is the only sleuthing they do is it only lasts very good Remember they have like a meeting discussing all of this sleuthing all of this takes place in just like a portion of an afternoon Insane it's incredibly lucky Yeah, they got to keep teleporting to all the advantageous spots, man Like it makes sense because they were looking so They're we need to find a motive for all of them to want to kill Miles I'm just gonna listen to them for five seconds and they just belt out the motive. You're like cool got it And then he says this and this isn't even mentioned in how ryan blatantly rewrites previous events to show you what he wants You to see instead of what actually happens The example drink he gives for ryan johnson's blatant rewriting is the scene where blanc and as we later see helen Spotduke's voyeurism batista is watching his girlfriend supposedly having an affair with miles only to be observed by blanc Now look at the later version of this exact same scene Notice how helen's been added in here when she totally should have been visible before Except yeah, exactly Well, that's that's wrong True. There's a reason the drinker plays these clips on mute. Let me put the sound back on for you because he's talking Huh That was the first time we see this there's a close shot of juke Then we hear the twig snap and then we pull back to a shot revealing blanc Here's the scene as we're showing it later on We're careful for copyright, yeah Yeah, I was about to say it's like do we need a little watermark thing? No, we should be right We start with this slightly wider shot revealing blanc and helen Then helen leaves causing that sound and duke turns round This point is the moment we saw earlier on and there's a very obvious Very obtrusive sound cue the sole purpose of which is to communicate precisely this Look, you can enjoy the way moments like this toy with the audience perspective complimenting the film's themes these ideas okay, so um The thing about like a complimenting the film's themes. I don't even know what to make of that the um When you see that second scene it makes the first one Uh, I was about to say superfluous. It's basically redundant. It's it's gone now. It's not of any use um What drinker is highlighting? Maybe I could be wrong. He's not here right now is that um You have information to be provided to us in that scene. What is it duke is noticing whiskey with miles um And uh benoit notices him noticing that and so then uh goes with andy to explain helen the motivation is that whiskey is cheating on him with miles That's going to be why you'd want to kill him later on in the film We find out andy was also there. Oh, sorry helen and the the motive isn't actually that it's that he's annoyed that miles won't support alpha news And that he actually sent whiskey to do what she did to try and convince him otherwise Making the first set of information Redundant it's not useful anymore And the the whole point of this being like piss poor who done it shit We had nothing to imply this first time around because uh The thing about this you didn't need the sounds to counter drinker. You could have said well Of all let's say there was a minute worth of time of them sneak uh snooping on duke You'd be like first time he showed us the first 20 seconds or so And duke's reaction second time we saw seconds 21 to 30 where andy was there It's the same shot, but she's there then she wasn't there before the whole point being made Is that we get given the scene and then later on we get given a whole bunch of extra context We couldn't possibly know anything to do with we're just like okay, and then I believe Yeah, didn't you highlight this like when we were talking about it that it actually doesn't change a thing that andy is there It's just it's no point like it because they couldn't they converge on their information anyway She's getting the same thing that benoit is Yeah, so like it doesn't actually matter that she is there so I guess I find it interesting you're highlighting this as drinkers giant lie when it changes fucking nothing really well and and also it's like lie Yeah, it's not a lie. Yeah, so okay So yeah, so with regards to that scene if I understand it correctly based on the clips he showed and it's not an Impossibility it's not a re-edit of the scene It's just we saw an earlier part where she was there and then we saw the scene we saw the first time So if it's not a lie, that's fair But I I wouldn't say that it's a lie obviously because a lot of people interpreted it that way A lot of people miscontrude misconstrued the The logistics of who's wearing at what time that a lot of people thought it was oh, you just added the person It wasn't there the first time. Yeah Well, it's it's absolutely The amount of time between the first time that you see that scene and the second time How many people are going to go like oh, yeah the twig breaking Oh And to what end oh, she was there when I had no reason to believe that she was there Before wasn't there a good like 40 minutes between those two scenes. Who's remembering the twig break? I don't know. I'm thinking no I didn't remember the twig break But it's all like I see what he's trying to say the problem comes from the fact that like we saw Um twig break nobody was behind him and then Blanc shows up in the first time But then the second time around Um, they show up then the twig breaks and then she's gone breaks and then he's gone. So what like Well, it's from saying it's the same problem though. We're shown not disappeared the first time I don't see how you couldn't concede It's like so it's edited in a way to prevent us from having information that was there the whole time Second time around he gives us all of it. There's no way we put a piece that together And it actually changes nothing about the story. It's just piss poor field baking. I don't know what to say masturbatory is all it is Yeah, it's literally just to hide the fact that he's gonna The stupid twin twist. That's it. I don't even know that if we'd seen her there the first time around Would any of us have guessed she's a twin? Exactly That's true, too. Yeah It's a reveal of new information It's it's it's because it's I think the reason why is because it's just The guise of a twist because it's it's irrelevant. It's it's just like not relevant information The only thing that happens is that you watch and go, oh Like that's the expected one Maybe he maybe just didn't want to reveal to people that uh, they're working together either I almost do want it at this point to be the she hit smiles at the end with something and he's like skin breaks away And there's like sparking and metal and it's like Just just what people would say I just see people like no that was oh, that's brilliant that he was an android and you're like, what what? You know If you were if you were this guy and you know, you you wanted to engage in good faith with people about movie discussions You could see the part in drinkers video where he gets wrong The fact that they re-edited the scene and you go and you go actually no, they didn't re-edit it. It's actually You know the logistics are such that it's not an impossibility that she was there. We just didn't see it the first time Like you know, you could say that Yeah, you could like I said you could have made that argument without the twig snapping You could have just said that was that was a thing. Anyway, because there's just a different They weren't investigating off-camera. Yeah, I think no, but I think the idea is he's trying to Prove or approve might not be the right word but demonstrate how it's possible. So you don't just think it was An impossibility. I think I take him for what he said. He's trying to say this is proof that drinker lied He muted the scenes in order to protect anyone from oh, yeah But the interesting part to me is that what a weird thing for drinker to choose to lie about when it has so little impact on the film's story I know Why frame it as a lie that's such a strange thing to be porky about It's not a lie. It's just he got that part wrong because a lot of people do because a lot of people look at that scene and go Oh, you added her. Well, the thing is the first time you can say the drinker got the details wrong But I guarantee you'd have the same conclusion Oh, yeah, absolutely. You could never have possibly seen this coming. There's nothing about this. That's intuitive Absolutely I agree Of how we see and how we falsely composite and rationalize these perceptions away from the truth Away from what's really plainly shown to us. You've done that for the whole video So and also, what are you and playing? There was nothing plainly shown that there was another person there It could have easily been and I think the easy assumption is ben why was the one who stepped on a twig Because you didn't see him before that, right? You don't see him twig snaps and then you see him and look Haven't him lean out of the tree the same way both times That's on purpose clearly having him slowly lean out while it looks like He's in about the same position with the same facial expression When we were watching it, we were like, holy fuck He's he managed to bump into whiskey and miles when they're doing the thing now in retrospect, of course That was a plan, but then you see ben why is bumping into him bumping into them I think so was like it'd be really funny if another person turned up But then I think me and bell were like, oh well Because like we knew another person was going to turn up and when they showed that scene I was fucking laughing It's so absurd But you know, it's it's uh It gets you to conclude a lot of things and I wouldn't blame anybody for being like This is the same thing they showed us but now they have unphoto shop removed here or something Obviously in reality it's a matter of how much information we're given Or you can dislike it But what you can't do is lie about how the film constructs movements like these You have no idea he's lying. Yeah, and just this is what I mean It's just it's so much more reasonable to say drinker You missed it, you know shame on you Especially because the scene is about deception Instead of just saying oh Yeah, the if this scene is trying to essentially fool you to say that someone's lying about it willfully instead of being like Oh, yeah, he was the film fooled him or whatever like that would be Like it's a huge preach of just good faith This is just not what a lie is and yeah, I can't believe this is like the crux the big you're probably better off with something else You know, there's probably ain't it because the point stands The specific thing maybe not But the point stands and that's what the drinker does here to cap off his video to build into this last point Stuff like this is lazy and cheap and it completely undermines the entire do you think that drinker wouldn't conclude this about the film If that point would show him to be false and that it's actually a genuinely awesome scene that adds to the story Do you think all the other things he said aren't the reason why he's coming to this conclusion? He thinks the whole fucking thing is lazily written and I happen to agree with it on this one point, all right Yeah, okay gritty of the story because you know that waiting for death Nothing nothing at all. Did he wait? Did he say something stupid? Well, did he say Miles is dumb Stuff like this is lazy and cheap and it completely undermines the integrity of the story Because you know that Ryan's basically just rewriting his own rules to suit whatever he wants to happen at that He does that a lot Yeah At particular moments There is no way we knock it off. Wasn't that funny? It's so funny. The timing is just really awkward I don't know what it is. It's just like so funny This cannot have been a mistake on the critical drinker's part. I could see there could have been a mistake Why? It couldn't have. I know him Is he showing the shot because it's meant to be like, ah, see she was actually hidden behind Duke when he popped out the second time I don't I don't even see like it's such a confusingly edited scene, man. It's so easy to mistake. What's actually I'm pretty sure that his expression is different by the way here because he it looks like he has the same expression In the first one it does absolutely look like it's the same shot, but they added her in Uh-huh In the original shot since she'd be kind of be showing up over his shoulder there Well, no, because I think cameras were too much to the left frame. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Okay. All right I old It is yes Yeah, we kind of been over it like the ladies to mislead the audiences I mean the I don't you want the characters to be misleading the characters I don't want the film itself to be trying to mislead me. Yeah, exactly Because then we're like, why am I here? Exactly board adult half watching gloss onion half napping could have got confused here But not someone whose job it is to analyze film So that's not like a sound. That's his claim. Oh, that's the sound. That's the sound. I just I just find out music as fuck He's just criticized him for like this is professional. I feel like what's your profession? But I hope it's not reviewing film because you've gotten a shit tubs wrong Because drinker is a published author. There we go. I needed the second. Sorry Here's the framing of this shot. I feel like we should be able to see Andy over there. Yeah Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's a different expression But the the expression in both the shots have been poking out. Look nah, sorry. I'm not I'm not convinced I'm not happy about that. I'm not satisfied. I feel like no matter what you can complain that this is bullshit Anyway, this is just him being like this is the scene then later on being like This is actually the scene Yeah Actually, there was a different scene that we constructed to look virtually identical to this scene that you definitely wouldn't remember the nuances of Haha, aren't I clever? And if you disagree, you're a liar Liar We see little liar dude. We see little liar. We see little liar dude You know, I don't know mute the scene sound. It is that obvious. I have a he didn't know it's not It is not obvious. The intention was to mislead people. I think that's a strong this coat. That is a massive coat. Just make it look obvious The scenes he's basing this critique on thereby not spotting the obvious in which case it's not obvious It's really not obvious. I'm pretty sure he's lying because he doesn't look right actually wait I shouldn't jump ahead. You know, we've got an explanation for why drinkers lying and it's pretty priceless Okay He is willfully misrepresenting this movie lying about the basic construction of this scene And then extrapolating that lie outwards to cover the piece as a whole and this is baffling right Why even do this? Is it just because he knows his audience knows the correct most profitable take for him to have Here is ryan johnson film bad Um, I'll just go to bath a drinker. I believe uh, he comes out with genuinely what he thinks Even if sometimes he knows it's going to be against the general flow And I feel like that happened with andor. He came out positively about andor pretty early on when Uh, that wasn't exactly the thing that it was very easy to hate styles at this point certainly Um to the point where I hadn't even really watched it so I couldn't say but I remember what part his video releasing Was part of why I was like Maybe we really should be watching andor like is uh, I keep hearing it's like goodness we did Yeah, that's the thing and and we did our coverage and a lot of people really thankful that like it's got people talking about it and Diving to it if you check out I believe it's star wars theories review of it is whole comments section Are like furious with him in retrospect sort of thing like why the fuck are you saying there shouldn't be bricks? Those are really weird But um, oh, yeah So, uh, I guess what I'm trying to say is that like bricks Drinker was honest about his take on andor and then it works out to be actually like a well accepted and fair take Instead of he's just pandering to whatever the the current zeitgeist is be it on ryan johnson star wars, whatever else He I like I don't know what else to say. He does genuinely think that this film is badly written I'm sorry. That is what he actually believes Interesting though like the lack of self-awareness that like your perspective is espoused here is pretty like In in in line with like a common perspective expressed about the film Which is like basically that is smart for its stupidity You know that it's like oh, it's speaking to this particular theme, right? Like it's your perspective is really but do you believe that you're like dishonest That you're like warping and twisting your own perspective to be in lockstep with what you think your audience wants And if you don't say that about yourself, why not extend that courtesy to another person His career drinkers a bad person He's on the wrong side politically and I need to knock him down a peg because I got to score those points Get my wallops in regardless of what the truth actually is because that's secondary Yeah, he's like that Ben Ben Shapiro guy Shapiro stopped it. He can't stop mentioning. He mentioned like four times in this one review People already like a plenty of people probably hate Uh Bring care and then combo that up with people who love ryan johnson movies and hate people saying this stupid It's like combo and pay off because uh Yeah, if we're gonna be motivation diving here because you've decided that All of his points rested on that last one as opposed to a general assessment of the whole movie based on all the points He's given which you've done a piss-poor job of refuting. Um, why can't we just say like you're clearly just trying to get Uh some level of engagement off of shitting on someone who's popular That's the only reason you've done this and that's why you've lied Especially because you made another 30 minute video responding to drinker specifically three months ago about she-hulk Oh, is he defending she-hulk I guess he has to defend she-hulk and drinker doesn't like she-hulk. It doesn't matter what's in the thing itself Don't guys. Don't she-hulk's so bad It's okay to say this is like that. Um, it's like the film I linked all the yesterday John is bad movie you could have like left leaning shit. That's bad. It's fine. It's fine My brain is literally like I want to say something. It's like, you know, it's just not fucking worth it It's over dude. It's over in me Huh He didn't like it won't cut the mustard that he has to reveal some Fundamental objective flaws in the film and then or these are things he didn't like. He told you what he didn't like Yeah, oh my god And also he did those things it's when he couldn't find any is that why he's just making couldn't find any What are all the ones you showed us? Yeah, you have encountered them like this like the hot sauce like everything we know Clear so even though you've just witnessed a massive explosion, you know, it's chill. Oh god believe me or you're lying eyes Satisfied with that argument like yeah, god. Um, you know That's easily the highlight of the video for me when he says like there's no reason to believe these people would be hit by this The whole room is on fire. It's fucking great I mean if drinkers whole point is that the movie is just full of coincidences and you say actually sometimes coincidences are good Also, these aren't coincidences. It's like what What's happening? Yeah Many of them you do acknowledge are coincidences and he says here are like a metric Fuck ton of coincidences that when piled up really kind of ruined the movie for me and you're like he must be lying You know that mystery stories require Coincidences they literally can't even exist without them and like the problem was like he fundamentally didn't understand the notion of like Questioning what a film presents to you, you know, no, he bought a hook line and sinker notion Well, it's just you know, he's drinking that kool-aid Anything could have happened. It's like surely we can be a little bit more reasonable than that You know, it's your job to question these things not to just eat them up Well, it's just what's the point of film criticism if that's sort of what it ends up being the film presents this Uh, I accept it. There's no level of like well, do I accept it? Because you know sometimes I mean films do present, you know answers to questions in there I do you know, you accept them or you don't and to some extent it's kind of involuntary, right? That's what suspension of disbelief is Where it reaches the point that you just can't entertain what the story is presenting to you anymore. It's too absurd too unbelievable too ridiculous It's just the level of dissection in this video has been like thin as fuck It's like looking at it from across the room and closing your eyes It's and it's no less. I'd say it's much more actually dishonest than the sort of Like like this thing he's created that drinker isn't he's he's done much worse than what he's claiming drinker has done Well in terms of like presenting the film in a way that it's just very inaccurate not only the film, but obviously drinkers video Yeah, right like the one where he said oh like why did what drinker said like he shot him? Why did she shoot him in? Yeah Why should we bother saying you misunderstood what drinker said we should just say he lied about it obviously That's obviously what he did. He must have fucking lied about it. That's the only way to explain it There's no other way to explain it Never the good old-fashioned like you know stupid like if you want if you want to say that drinker is stupid Which he's already done several times. Why didn't he do that rather than like no you're a liar, but then he also Caused it stupid anyway It's just he's stupid and a liar. That's better than calling him either one of those things I think it would be This uh critique is particularly bad faith Strongly bad faith. This is something that you should definitely aspire to not become if you're a Response youtuber if you're a media critic like you've got to be better than this You have to show a level of maturity far surpassing what this video showcases It's like this will bite you in the ass and it's doing so right now Everything we've spent the last 20 or so minutes shoveling through and look none of this would matter If he were just one guy thinking of these thoughts in isolation, but he isn't this He has influence. He has power. We must stop him. You must be destroyed Jesus christ. I have a lot of viewers who also watch this guy. Oh, no And when I pulled the making of this video, I got a few comments like this people who would take in critical drinkers It happens, man We got a lot of people saying that drinker fucked up with the video and that this video Proves it, uh, you know, hopefully this sets the record very straight But like that you still think that after this video then you are lost There are some great highlights in this video that I could never but like It's so funny that he said some of the things that he said. I don't think any of that happens in the drinker video His word for it assumed his gripes were founded on reality. Not they've people do the same with you, man what's happened Fantasy and this is wrong as we've seen but in fairness I don't blame people like this because why would you doubt the words of a one and a half million subscriber? You have a lot of faith in your audience I mean to be fair, why would you doubt the director of the movie? He's the director You know his son Why would you doubt the words of his son if he's that part? What the fuck is this? channel, why would he just lie? He didn't lie. That's You just said he did even though it's the ockham sledgehammer Currently on repeat. I don't know How does he? Oh I just can't handle the lies. It's so many lies. It's so many lies Close the video out. Anyway, please a sonion is like watching someone That's never played chess in their entire lives trying to take on a grand master Making up new rules and moves as they go to support them They actually know what they're doing. Yeah It's the ego-stroke and pretentiousness of a filmmaker whose aspirations and self-belief far exceed his actual abilities Oh god, it's like music What's pretentious about critical drinker? You're allowed to write more than one joke, you know, like you Well, he can he can barely write the one And also like again, like there's nothing pretentious about critical drinker You're up here talking about fucking dead philosophers from the 1800s and anodyne and deris immilitude Meanwhile, dude, the average critical drinker video. He's so pretentious that critical drinker The average critical drinker video will start with him saying I was out on a bed And I fucking vomited in my own asshole and then I watched this The meme is that he's drunk Yeah, the ethos of his videos are like, what the fuck do I know? But this is stupid. You know what I mean? It's not I am a learned intellectual man and this I declare Is well we we all know the name but you know We're all familiar. Yeah tatiata gets mentioned all the time. Meanwhile, this guy is like These these creatives from the ancient era We mustn't listen, but the the funny part is of course that he references them as though we all are familiar with While the most referenced person who drinks videos is a fucking like stripper. It's just I love it The genre that deserves far better than this godly superficial trash That one doesn't make any sense. That one doesn't yeah, that one doesn't make sense Also, the sound couldn't quite work on that one. I think it's just a big oof. I don't know It's so funny. You just don't get it. It's a glass onion Look, I didn't really want to make this video He did the sigh as well Oh, they had the sigh that this All it was missing was him walking into frame and sitting down with a dog with a dog Or something here towards the end of a video though, normally it's in the beginning Yeah, normally, you know what maybe he'll make another video responding to drinker three months from now and say the exact same thing Yeah, just like I normally don't watch this on principle, but this one. Yeah I was forced to make this video So I guess I'll do it. Yeah, again I didn't want to make this video again again. Oh, he's even referencing a she-hope. Yep. Yeah, there they are Whoa, why do not defend she-hulk that is rancid garbage It's uh Look, I didn't really want to make this video between those last two she-hulk videos I've said all I have to say really about guys like this, but then guys are like this What guys like this Like scott's we've been covering guys like you for fucking four and a half years It's just keeps going The cup runneth over You could say that Just admit that you like responding to people like this. Just admit it. It's okay. It's fine. It's totally fine I watch things that I expect to disagree with sometimes It's fine The critical drink has done something remarkable this time and someone needed to point it out That's the way he's over. Someone had to do it when he overplayed his head Glass onions ideas against it tried to write his way to a conclusion that reveals ryan johnson as a Thicko masquerading as smart because it becomes immense when he is he'd better enough more than he could chew The fact that he can't just like this point without lying with oh my god You're obsessed with this one detail that changes barely anything about the actual story Yeah, he's just commenting on how it's a craft choice that he fucking hates But the rest of the video is the justification for all that he said at the end You did not counter it and the fact you think you did is part of the problem, isn't it? Without fabricating problems and can God it's like it's like drinkers ran a whole operation of like these careful scientists moving the Individual frames of the movie around and changing all the sources and being like you see glass That was much worse. Hopefully nobody watches it so that I could get away with my plan It wasn't all a big plan He's he's calling he's saying like uh drinker mist mist stepped here by lying too hard What About the supposed The result of this is that the video ends up having the opposite effect We see clear is day that it isn't ryan johnson wearing This is so funny. It's like he's trying to do his drinker It's just he's yeah, he's trying to do the thing where it's like, uh, look at this like Look at how i'm tying it all together in a neat little bow. This is my this is like My critique of the drinker coming full circle This almost feels tailor made right like what else do we do in responses? So you have the glass onion a film about how the villain of the piece is a lot simpler than you may think Drinker says the writer is a lot simpler than he thinks And then he's like the drinker is a lot simpler than he thinks so now it's our turn to be like Well, you're a lot simpler than you think garbage is a lot simpler than he thinks just yeah whoever's next in line. Good luck Passes on it's just gonna keep on going It's it's him and that's the part of glass onion that keeps on giving it's like a mousetrap to commentate as you know It's It's so funny. It's just so interesting isn't it? My goodness test of intelligence right into that mousetrap So and they love it they love like the feeling the superiority like a ha you thought it was stupid when it was smart and you're stupid No, you I would not be surprised at all if he just thought the movie was all right until he found out Ben Shapiro and Oh He's a loyal culture war man. He'll take up all I mean if you're defending she-hulk you're just you're just a zombie Yeah, that's a hill you do not want to die on automaton Like a mousetrap to commentators like this like old benny boy too. It's like they see. Oh, there is again There's their name again stop He's not a fan of the old shabibo, okay People think something dumb is smart. Haha. No way. That's great. I can just say the same thing about the film You did the same thing saying about him Yeah, good, and then that's why I'm talking about how it's almost fucking boring now You had a keyboard that was like your irony keyboard of like, ah, isn't that ironic? Like at no point. Did you see that was your one joke? Maybe Maybe I'm the irony Fighting point in the video That's amazing the lack of self-awareness that he accuses drinker of having throughout the whole video Just say the same thing about the film easy slam dunk, right? They can't resist trying it on with this film and each time every time all the attempt reveals is the They're the ones who's they're the gloss on you You have been defeated Right has been destroyed You can't believe this course around this movie is just devolved into new you and the comments Who's gonna say something like gee whiz pillar of garbage? Why are you spending so much time Knocking on other people's opinions of this film? Why don't you have have some opinions? Uh, I the stuttering is comedy now opinions of your own I was wondering if you got if somebody was gonna say that like yeah, you do the thing way It's like, I don't know what I'm saying And that's the joke even though you didn't do that at all in your whole video. Now you're now you're stuttering because Stuttering is funny. Uh I guess it's an upgrade from pressing a note Uh, yeah, it is stuttering quicker I suppose It's yeah If you're around well great news I do if you want to hear me talk more about what this film is about rather than what it's not about I've got three videos on that already a combined well like 40 Reference your own videos. Go check them out. Thanks for watching those videos got a lot of views Yeah, the drinker ones. I imagine do get a lot of views people already to Get done Steamed um Smash that like button like it's the eye Hey, you guys wanted it bumped so that's coming out in a few days now Also, if you're a long time viewer and you don't really care about these films I'll be back to business as usual very soon So I appreciate you bearing with me, but hey, I just think they're neat I think there's really a lot to talk about and it seems a lot of other people agree Thanks as always to my patreon supporters on screen now. You guys are the rups to my phase. See you around We did it We made it. Oh, that was a bad one guys. That was a fascinating one. I will say that one was particularly fascinating Are you saying you guys don't want to go check out his tiktok? No, you know I thought about it. I'm okay. I'm good. I've got a I don't know literally anything else to do right now We survived yet another video and yet did it guys I have to This is what you decided to not take a break for We're done. You know I don't know anymore. Yes Seven bad videos we got to watch. I don't I guess it's um, it's kind of an interesting thing in the sense of like talking about films in a vacuum is becoming like seemingly Increasingly harder. It's always got to be like it seems like the meta just keeps seeping in Which is really frustrating proxy battle for a larger culture war. You can't just talk about it Yeah, and everyone's encouraged to not it's to like almost I was about to say dehumanized. There's more so like What am I looking for caricature almost the person they were responding to right? Yeah, like present the other argument and as you drain as much good faith from everything they say and Present them represent them and at times, right? Don't play their clips. Just tell people what they said. That's a real good one Yeah, and don't call it criticism call it winching When uh, yes, of course Yeah, don't call it set up or preamble or setting the stage for what you believe about the artist's work Instead just say like a bunch of nonsense that he's saying about great movies Don't say they got it wrong or mistaken say that it's a lie and they're trying to lie about you It's kind of the uh, you know, what what's the goal? Are we trying to figure out what somebody believes or are we just looking for a dunk? That'd be a dunk for sure. Well, I mean, I I believe that in this case. Yes Of course, I imagine you'd be like well, this is extensive. I go through many details How could you say it's just a dunk? It's like you can do that and just a dunk at the same time It's possible. I would say that was a particularly thin video considering it was 30 minutes long Yeah, there wasn't a lot in there at all Well, it's so weird what he chooses to spend his time on right? He like at several points raises these like big criticisms of the film Don't be like I I'm not gonna go over that But I will say the fashion choices of Benoit are defensible if you're familiar with this blah, blah, blah I'm just like what the The nihilism of the philosopher Leblanc, don't you know wrote his treaties in Paris and 1861 why couldn't you have written his treatise in in um, I don't know Pittsburgh or something. Yeah, idiot Well, he had a very french name because we we Because if they are European they're more sophisticated Well, you know what I can say this time though is that we're actually able to end this one properly because the last one got cut off Oh, yeah, that was pretty Oh, yeah, that was a pretty good cut off Everyone everyone a suit It wasn't artistic choice. Oh, definitely. Yeah, of course we do Yeah, it was it was totally yeah. Yeah, it was was there ever yeah, you're just dumb glass onion I'm i'm miss. Yeah, that's right. It's it's simple but stupid you Matthew Arnold would be so disappointed he would I want to know if this guy thinks Does he think that it's a perfect film that there are no criticisms of glass I I doubt it. I guess it's more so that I'm I don't know what just based on that video It's like what is your the way that you go about like critiquing something Is it I do distinguish a bad movie from a good one I well, I wonder how much of it is about artist's intent for him Like I get the impression that that might be part of how he like, you know, like that That's a hugely relevant part of what he focuses on I'm not sure it's just because we got so little of it here of like talking about why And you know, I guess he said that at the end, right? It's not really like a praise of the film It's more like a defense of it. It's just odd that in defending it There wasn't much by way of like, you know a very structured praise of specific elements of the film Yeah, just calling it stupid because ryan johnson said it's supposed to be stupid He said that a few ryan is god. Oh hell ryan a lot of people are defending The first knives out with that by the way the ransom was a dumb guy And that's why like a lot of different things happen It's like if he gets away with this for a third time with this third fucking movie That he makes it all about stupid people and stupid people get away with shit Uh, I guess it's just what happened to being impressed by villains that were really competent That were outwitted by more competent heroes It's harder to write Well, you see that's satisfying and interesting and encourages me to pay attention So we can't do that It's harder to write, but it's cooler to see I thought I thought that was the case anyway, but so funny though Because if like you said that to ryan, he's like but it's easier to write this and this does just fine Well, it's kind of apparently people love this shit. It's like, yeah Like the glass and knife out were both very successful films And the third one probably will be two and there may be more You know the feedback is probably very positive It's kind of a genre is just going to get fucking destroyed for the next decade Yeah, I guess there is there is the concern of whether this genre could even thrive in the current landscape Dude where where it seems like there's not much of a desire to In a sense play it safe and go for something that's that's been done before but to try and in a slightly different way Or to do like a sort of well trodden idea very well Because I mean people you know as long as it's good, right? But like everything we've got to be trying to like figure out new ways to you know, push the boundaries or Which of course It's valuable if you do it well, but I guess that's the thing There needs to be more emphasis on doing it. Well, not just doing it You know so Yeah Well, um, is that we'll we'll do what we meant to do last time but everything got fucked up But hey capital low opinions. What are you up to? What are you doing these days? What should people follow you on the interwebs? They shouldn't Next person, please agreed Wow What rude He's just Sorry, I was glass onion Do you literally have a flute? Yeah, it's a little penny whistle flute. Oh, I thought you were making a joke earlier No, I never actually have a flute. That's I'm always serious all the time. You should not ask our irony note. Let's go You should definitely not follow my youtube channel. Definitely Well, you don't even think about doing it. I know that you have a tiktok that no one cares about But do you have a fax machine that we can follow? I do If you want to get in touch with me, uh, hit me up on discord I'll give you my fax number and if you want to send me money just you know, mail pal No, you'll have to mail the pallets of cash to my house. That's just how I roll um, well, all right, uh the uh Yeah, what are you up to these days? What are you doing? Tell the people what should they be excited for? Well, if you're not utterly sick of all this glass onion talk by now, I'm trying to put out a video within the next I want to say a few days. Hopefully everything pans out correctly You you're gonna You're gonna absorb what he said in this video and understand you shouldn't lie about glass onion if you understood that now Yeah, I I would never I would never try and lie. I I'm thinking of bits where uh And you know, I think I'm pretty safe. I think I think I'm being very truthful What utterly disgusting and dumb Oh my god, he is sounds like a lies to me. That sounds like a big lie. What the fuck All you'll just have to see Will do Masshole, what are you up to? That's me. I I did my first stream from home Uh today, so I'm back baby. It's gonna be all kinds of shit going on Uh, I copied the long man because I saw he bought a whiteboard to write stuff on I have one too now And I regret my life choices because there's a lot of that whiteboard that I'm going to be doing over the next couple of months They really help you remember stuff. It's like we can just have a notepad. It's like I'm dreading march march is going to be absolute hell. Yeah Yeah What's going on in march? Uh scream six xam resident evil four john wake four Whoa, yeah, that's a lot of stuff. Yes That's yeah Mando starts up in march as well. Yeah So, yeah, that's all gonna happen But yeah forge is coming up next forge is going to be next week on sunday We're going to be joined by frongo and the meme We're going to be talking about the post and boots. It's going to be a good time Then the one after it's going to be on the del toro pinocchio. So Yeah, I still need to find time to see that. Yeah, me too. That's why I'm forges Yeah, yeah, yeah For sure. Yeah, and then that space is coming up. I'm going to be streaming that's gonna I'm going to be trying to do a lot more gaming Uh coverage because a lot of games that come out that I want to talk about So, yeah, if you if you crave some more gaming things of the Stuff that comes out this year. I'll probably have you covered there Many things going on in the forge. Yeah, interesting Rags springy and das I guess if any three of you have anything you want to mention about anything Nothing, not really yet. Not right now. Uh, yeah, just just working as pretty All I've got says we're continues and of course, we're still cashing up a suit which has some planning on dropping a I think it's eight and a half hour one. We've finished me me rags and Yeah, and then of course, um, there's actually an episode that it was the original 214 that still hasn't actually been put out yet So we're an extra episode ahead of being ahead and we're gonna try Next week to have that be the week off Here we go. I might just pull it off Who knows the thing is like if some crazy tv show movie or something comes out I can't I can't say it's a definite Well, oh, well, yeah, right. But but next I guess next week is kind of like before things really start to kick off Yeah, I'm actually hoping we might just be able to get an actual week off at once and on that side I'll release the catch up this long So that you guys still have some stuff from me pro gal and raggleton to check out But yeah, in the meantime, we'll be taking moments where we can to do catch ups. I am afraid I gotta go tonight Uh, I I'm already dreading Getting up as early as I got it, but this was not planned. It's just a video that people would tell me was really good And I was like, that's not a good video Why you got a lie like that? So, um, well, that's that I suppose. Thank you very much for joining us. Hope you had fun Thank you again for the kind donations We shall see you next time